City Council Minutes 2007 07-24-07 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE. ]KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS.
HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
800 GAME FARM ROAD ON
TUESDAY. JULY 24.2007.
Mayor Burd called the meeting to order at 8:30 P.M and led the Council in the Pledge of
Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Clerk Milschewski called the roll.
Ward I Leslie Present
Werderich Present
Ward H Gohnski Present
Plocher Present
Ward III Munns Present
Sutcliff Present
Ward IV Besco Present
Spears Present
Also present: City Clerk Milschewski, City Treasurer Powell, Interim City Attorney Roth,
Interim City Administrator Olson, Finance Director Mika, Director of Public Works Dhuse,
Police Chief Martin, Police Lieutenant Schwartzkopf, Director of Park & Recreation Mogle,
Community Development Director Miller, Public Relations Officer Spies and Human Resource
Manager Kasper.
QUORUM
A quorum was established.
INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS
Mayor Burd asked the staff and guests to introduce themselves. She welcomed the guests and
asked them to enter their names on the attendance sheet provided.
AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA
Alderman Munns asked that the monthly Treasurer's Report be placed on the Consent Agenda.
Approved by a viva voce vote.
Alderman Munn requested that the bill for Attorney Kramer be removed from the Bill List.
Approved by a viva voce vote.
Alderman Munns requested that Item #3 — Resolution Amending the Employee Manual regarding
Verification of Employee Driver's License be approved with the changes recommended in the
Committee of the Whole meeting.
Approved by a viva voce vote.
COMMITTEE MEETING DATES
Public Works Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 7, 2007
City Hall Conference Room
Economic Development Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, July 31, 2007
City Hall Council Chambers
Administration Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 7, 2007
(�) City Hall Council Chambers
Public Safety Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 21, 2007
City of Yorkville Conference Room
(Time to be adjusted to 6:00 p.m. if amendment to
Governing Ordinance approve)
PRESENTATIONS
Aug Sable Watershed Plan
Stephanie Sheetz with the Conservation Foundation made a presentation to the City Council
regarding the Aux Sable Watershed Plan. The plan is a collaboration with the Aux Sable Creek
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Watershed Coalition to remediate and prevent degradation of the Aux Sable Creek watershed.
Ms. Sheetz presented the following information:
• The Conservation Foundation's and the Coalition's origins and purpose
• Components of the Plan
• Update and strengthen the plan — the IEPA requires watershed plans to
address nine criteria in order to qualify for future funding; compile other
existing plans into one "Green Infrastructure Plan"
• Education & Outreach — contact landowners; conduct educational
programs; facilitating model conservation designs; educate local
government
• Outcomes
■ Update plan and meet IEPA criteria
■ Watershed -wide open space plan
■ All land owners are contacted
■ Suggest ordinances
■ Have more conservation designs for new developments
• Benefits
■ Further implementation of plan goals
■ Qualify for further IEPA funding
■ Increase property values
■ Compliment other local activities
• Project Costs
■ Total project cost is $231,126.00
■ Funding from various sources — IEPA, Grand Victoria Foundations;
Kodak American Greenways, local government units, etc.
Ms. Sheetz asked the City Council for support and funding for the project.
Alderman Spears asked if the 11 % funding from local government was collective and Ms. Sheetz
- indicated that it was and it was over a two year period. Alderman Spears asked if Director Miller
worked with the Conservation Foundation on any projects and Director Miller stated he had and
he explained that they have worked with the Protect Kendall Now Plan. Information from this
plan was given to the City and inputted into the GIS system to help identify areas. Alderman
Spears asked if any other local governments have committed to the funding and Ms. Sheetz stated
that Kendall County, the Kendall County Forest Preserve District, Plainfield Park District and
Morris have said they would commit but there has been nothing official yet. She indicated that
the targeted range for funding was $2,500.00 to $3,500.00 for each of the two years.
Alderman Besco stated that he attended an Illinois Municipal League (IML) seminar on
infiltration and a tax on non - permeable surfaces and he asked Ms. Sheetz about this. She
indicated that she was not that informed about this but that some areas have a water utilities tax
and reduce the tax if water is conserved through the use of rain barrels and other methods. She
stated that Kendall County could enact a county -wide ordinance for this.
Alderman Sutcliff commented that the same things being done for the Aux Sable Creek should be
considered for the Rob Roy Creek.
There were no further questions or comments.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Sexton Development
Mayor Burd opened the public hearing for the Sexton Development, LLC, petitioner, who has
filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting
annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to
United City of Yorkville Planned Unit Development, and Concept PUD plan. The real property
consists of approximately 272.186 acres, located on the north side of Illinois Route 34, east of
Eldamain Road and west of Cannonball Trail, Yorkville, Illinois.
Please see attached Report of Proceedings by Terri Grandchamp, C.S.R_ from Depo Court
Reporting Service for the transcription of this portion of the public hearing
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to close the public hearing. So moved by Alderman Leslie;
seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Motion approved unanimously by a viva voce vote.
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CITIZEN COMMENTS
Dan Nicholson, 32 Gawne Lane, expressed his concerns and disappointment with the curbs
heights, street elevations and drainage on the streets under construction in the downtown area.
He noted that the new curbs on Heustis Street are about 6" higher than the FS parking lot and that
driveways do not slope to the new curbs. He wanted to know how the problem will be solved.
He stated that according to the plans that were explained to him there will be a ditch created. He
felt this was unacceptable and should be addressed before the road is paved. He suggested that if
the current engineers are not smart enough to fur the problem they should be "thrown out" and
�.. new engineers hired. He offered to meet with the aldermen to show them his concerns.
Todd Milliron, 61 Cotswold Drive, distributed copies of his comments with attachments to the
City Council (see attached). He began his comments with `Your Honor, my ethical aldermen and
eunuch Besco ". Alderman Besco objected to Mr. Milliron's comment and asked Mayor Burd to
have him removed from the meeting. Alderman Munns asked Mr. Milliron to refrain from
personal comments. Mr. Milliron went on with his comments and began to ask Chief Martin
questions. Mayor Burd asked him to please refrain from questioning the staff and just make a
statement or comment. Alderman Leslie questioned if Mr. Milliron actually said "eunuch Besco"
and Mayor Burd asked him not to repeat what Mr. Milliron said. Alderman Leslie stated that Mr.
Milliron's comment was uncalled for, and accordingly Alderman Besco asked that he be removed
from the meeting. He suggested that if Mr. Milliron had a problem with Alderman Besco he
should talk to him in private.
Alderman Golinski noted that he tolerated Mr. Milliron's comments two weeks ago but since then
has put thought into this. He stated that the City Council is doing the best they can and he did not
appreciate an alderman being singled out. Alderman Leslie agreed and asked if there was a
motion on the floor to have Mr. Milliron removed from the meeting. Alderman Golinski moved
and Alderman Leslie seconded the motion.
Alderman Munns asked Attorney Roth if having someone removed from the meeting was legal.
Attorney Roth stated that the rules of decorum are adopted and published by the City Council and
are law. If it is the City Council's finding that the rules of decorum have been violated then the
City Council has the power to terminate the public forum portion of a meeting or take additional
steps as necessary. He stated that they may take the measures as suggested.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -6 Nays -1 Present -1
Spears -aye, Spears -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye,
Gohnski -aye, Werderich -nay, Munns -aye, Plocher- present
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Sale of 1991 Ford Thunderbird (Old DARE Car) — approval to sell car through sealed bid
process (PS 2007 -14)
2. Request to Purchase Vehicles — Planned in FY 07/08 Budget (PS 2007 -15)
a. 2008 Ford Explorer — approve purchase from Landmark Ford in an amount not to
exceed $21,310.48, as presented
b. Ford Crown Victoria — approve purchase from Landmark Ford in an amount not to
exceed $20, 772.48, subject to receipt ofadditional capital revenue, as presented
c. Dodge Charger — approve purchase in an amount not to exceed $19,747. 00, subject to
receipt of additional capital revenue, as presented
3. Ordinance 2007 -52 - Amending City Code Regarding Solicitors, Hawkers & Itinerant
Merchants - authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute (PS 2007 -20)
4. Monthly Treasurer's Report for May 2007 (ADM 2007 -48)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. So moved by
Alderman Munns; seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye,
Sutcliff -aye, Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Golinski -aye
PLAN COMMISSION /ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL
No report.
MINUTES FOR APPROVAL
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the City Council meeting of
July 10, 2007; seconded by Alderman Besco.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
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A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the Committee of the Whole
meetings of June 19, 2007 and July 10, 2007; seconded by Alderman Besco.
Alderman Spears noted the following corrections to the June 19, 2007 Committee of the Whole
meeting minutes:
• Page 1 - Bill & Barb Dcttmcr from the Building Department should be referenced in
the attendance section of the minutes
• Page 3 - Army Fore of Engineers should be corrected to Army Corps of Engineers
• Pagc 5 - second paragraph - should be corrected to say larger lots
• Page 8 - 41 should be corrected to say 6:00 AM and in the first full paragraph
Country Parkway should be corrected to Countryside Parkway
• Page 9 - second paragraph - City Engineer Joe Wywrot should be corrected to
Building Inspector Bill Dettmer
• Page 10 - first paragraph - second line from last should be corrected from consent to
present. Second paragraph - fifth line should be corrected from handle to panel and
the ninth line should state no -step floor.
• Page 11 - second line from top should be corrected to Mr. Dettmer
• Page 13 - sixffi paragraph - line five should state "... Falls would make a study.... "
• Tony Graph should be corrected to Tony Graff on pages 13 and 14.
• Page 15 - under the Detailed Board Report it should be reflected that this was moved
to the City Council agenda.
• Page 16 - first paragraph - Beacher Road should be Beecher Road and Route 43
should be Route 34. Third paragraph - Route 21 should be Route 71.
• Page 20 - fifth paragraph - concessions should be consensus.
Alderman Spears asked that the motion be changed to reflect approved as corrected. Alderman
Besco withdrew his second; Alderman Munns withdrew the motion to approve the minutes.
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the Committee of the Whole
meetings of June 19, 2007 and July 10, 2007 as amended; seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
BILLS FOR APPROVAL
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the paying of the bills listed on the amended
Detailed Board Report dated July 16, 2007 totaling the following amounts: checks in the amount
of $732,972.12 (vendors); $240,363.01 (payroll period ending 7/7/07); for a total of $973,335.13;
seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Aycs -8 Nays -0
Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye,
Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Golinski -aye, Leslie -aye
REPORTS
MAYOR'S REPORT
In -Town Road Program (Phase 2 Streets) - Change Orders Nos. 1 & 2
(EDC 2007 -28)
Mayor Burd requested a motion to approve Change Order #2 for the 2007 In -Town Road
Program in the amount of $27,610.00. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman
Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye,
Munns -ayc, Plocher -aye, Spears -ayc, Sutcliff -ayc
CITY COUNCIL REPORT
Ordinance 2007 -53 Amended and Restated Governing Ordinance
(COW 2007 -12)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve the amended and restated Governing Ordinance,
United City of Yorkville addressing: ethical standards, elected officials, duties and
responsibilities, meeting schedules and committee structure, as presented. So moved by
Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman Spears.
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Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye,
Plocher -ave, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye
ATTORNEY'S REPORT
No report.
CITY CLERK'S REPORT
No report.
CITY TREASURER'S REPORT
No report.
CITY ADMIhIISTATOR'S REPORT
Interim City Administrator Olson reported on the following:
• He distributed his City Administrator information memo dated July 24, 2007
• The assessment center for the City Administrator recruitment was conducted the past
Saturday
• The vision planning process is almost complete and the consultant will be presenting the
information to the City Council in the near future
• The DAL conference is coming up in October and members of the Council need to
contact the administration staff to make reservations
• There was a meeting with the grant coordinator and the topic of using green standards on
new municipal buildings
FINANCE DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Director Mika reported that the audit is underway and going well.
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS REPORT
In -Town Road Program
Director Dhuse reported that he has spoken to Mr. Nicholson and will be meeting with him about
his concerns with the curbs. He explained that the driveways on the streets are at various
elevations so the road was designed to accommodate them. Clerk Milschewski commented that
the new curb in front of her home was wonderful.
CHIEF OF POLICE'S REPORT
Chief Martin reported that the Police Department would be ready to hire two cadets in August
and a Neighborhood Block Captain meeting is scheduled to be held at the Beecher Center.
DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION'S REPORT
Cannonball Ridge Park
Director Mogle reported that the ribbon for Cannonball Ridge Park was held and was a very
successful event. He stated that he received many positive comments.
Hiding Spot Park
Director Mogle gave an update on the Hiding Spot Park community build event. He stated that
the old equipment has been removed to prepare the location for the new equipment. A sign has
been posted explaining the project and showing the new plan.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Plan Commission
Director Miller reported that the Plan Commission Summit Meeting was a success and a second
meeting has been planned for September to discuss transportation and traffic issues. He also
reported that at the August 8, 2007 Plan Commission there will be a discussion about an advisory
committee for updating the Comprehensive Plan.
COMMUNITY RELATIONS OFFICER'S REPORT
Mrs. Spies reported on the following:
• The Chamber of Commerce will not be holding their annual Christmas event so the City
was planning a new holiday event.
• There will be a Theatre in the Park event on Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 5:00 and 7:00
p.m. at the Rivcrfront Park. It will be a free event put on by the Fox Valley Players.
• City newsletters are due September 15, 2007. Anyone wishing to submit information
should do so by August 20, 2007
COMMUNITY & LIAISON REPORT
No report.
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COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT
Ordinance 2007 -54 Prohibiting Left Turns at Route 47 and Hydraulic
and Route 47 and River Road
(PS 2007 -10)
A motion was made by Alderman Spears to approve an ordinance amending Sections 6 -3 -6 of
Chapter 3 (Traffic Schedules) of Title 6 (Motor Vehicles and Traffic) of the United City of
Yorkville City Code; seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye,
Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye
ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT
Ordinance 2007 -55 Amending Sections 3 -3 -4 and 3 -3 -16 of
Chapter 3 (Liquor Control) of Title 3
(Business and License Regulations) of the United City of Yorkville City Code
(ADM 2007 -54)
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve an ordinance amending Sections 3 -3 -4 and
3 -3 -16 of Chapter 3 (Liquor Control) of Title 3 (Business and License Regulations) of the United
City of Yorkville City Code; seconded by Alderman Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays-0
Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye,
Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye
Resolution 2007 -42 Amending United City of Yorkville
Employee Manual Regarding Verification of Employee Driver's Licenses
(ADM 2007 -27)
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve a resolution amending United City of
Yorkville Employee Manual regarding verification of employee driver's licenses; seconded by
Alderman Leslie.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye,
Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Committing funds to the In -Town Road Program
Alderman Spears expressed her concern with a recent Beacon News headline regarding the
dedication of a portion of retail tax to be used on the repair of City's streets. She stated that this
was the first she heard of this and she asked Mayor Burd if the Council voted for this or was this
just another Heather Geller error. Mayor Burd stated that Alderman Spears should have heard of
this because it was on her website when she ran for office. She identified this funding as a way
to improve the streets. Alderman Spears stated that she did not access the Mayor's website and
that she thought the Mayor's whole campaign was based on open government and excellent
communication with the City Council. She stated that she supported the streets being repaired
however she was tired of being informed of things through the newspapers. She asked for a
show of hands from the other members of the Council as to who else was aware of this proposal.
A few Council members acknowledged knowing about the proposal and Alderman Spears stated
that this was like history, only one or two aldermen have been informed. She did not feel only
one or two should be privy to information. She stated that for the past nine years she has worked
closely with Mayor Burd however "this is down the tubes at this time." She strongly
recommended that this is corrected and addressed.
Mayor Burd took exception to Alderman Spears' comments and stated that Alderman Spears
clearly knew this was a priority in the election because they had discussed it. She noted that the
School Superintendent Dr. Engler has come to the City to talk about the streets being a problem.
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She explained that she, Director Dhuse, Assistant City Administrator Olson and Dr. Engler
walked the streets to examine the problem. Mayor Burd stated that for Alderman Spears to say
she was unaware of the problem and that Mayor Burd brought forth a solution to address the
problem is out of line. She stated that it was unfortunate that it was presented as something that
was already approved because she was planning to bring it to the Council.
Alderman Spears stated that in her campaign she said a senior community center was needed.
She asked Tony Scott from the Record Newspaper write an article that 25% of sales tax will be
dedicated to a senior center. Mayor Burd stated that would fine if Alderman Spears discussed
this with seniors and a reporter covers the story.
Alderman Leslie commented that he felt that Alderman Spears took exception with the fact that in
the past the major complaint was that there was not a unified approach to an issue. He stated that
the Council was subjected to political grandstanding, misinformation or closed government and
that Mayor Burd's platform was her opposition to this type of government. He felt that in going
forward it is important that media should be addressed in a unified manner.
Alderman Spears stated that she did not want to see what has happened in the past continue
because those present have a promising future as a Council. She believed all the aldermen should
be kept informed, either by telephone or email. She stated that she would like to know
information regarding our City before it is published in any newspaper.
Alderman Golinski stated he agreed with Alderman Spears that there is a lack of communication
because this is not the first time that he has read about something in the newspaper that he knew
nothing about. He stated that maybe certain aldermen are privy to information but he knew for
sure certain Kendall County residents are privy to information because he has read stuff on their
websites before he heard about it at the City. He agreed this Council is a good group and he
would like to see them move forward with good, open communication.
Mayor Burd stated that she was sorry that some of the Council took her proposal the way they did
because it was not a hidden agenda of hers. She stated this information has been in the newspaper
before, on her website, included on her published campaign information and discussed in open
session. She did not give an interview with the press but attended a School Board meeting to
discuss the city streets where she was asked by the School Board want she wanted to do about the
situation. This story came from this meeting. She did not see anything inappropriate in what she
did. She stated that she was sorry that the Council missed this information previously as she has
mentioned over and over again that she hoped to identify this 25% to help repair the streets. She
felt this was a more general situation than a senior center which she also supported. The City
Council will have to determine if they want to commit to this or not. She stated that she has
asked Mr. Olson to bring this to the Economic Development Committee.
Alderman Besco commented that he has been on the Public Works Committee for six years and
has never seen Dr. Engler come to a meeting to request the streets be addressed. He stated that it
would be something to get better communication from the School District when updating the In-
Town Road Program street list. He gave former Alderman Kot credit for developing the In -Town
Road Program which the city is now seeing the fruits of his labor. He stated that he was
contacted by a few of the other alderman asking if he heard something regarding the Mayor's
proposal. He told them he had not and was directed to a website where the whole Montgomery
boundary agreement was explained and he didn't even know Yorkville was talking about a
Montgomery agreement. He stated that more openness and co- operation was needed on the
Council. He noted that the alderman were not serving the city for personal gain but were
donating their time toward a beautiful community.
( Mayor Burd stated that she did mention the city was entering into discussions on the boundary
agreement and she suggested in an executive session that the lawsuit be dropped.
Interim City Administrator Olson explained that the purpose of meeting with the School Board
was not to introduce any plan of funding but was rather to discuss the conditions of streets. He
also noted that the article was misleading. Alderman Besco stated that the School District should
have come to a Public Works Committee to discuss this. If there is co- operation between the city
and school district it should not be a big issue to have this placed on a Public Works Committee
agenda so that it can be discussed and funding investigated.
Alderman Spears noted that the additional business section of the agenda is covered under the
governing ordinance and she suggested that the ordinance be followed.
Alderman Plocher stated that this was his idea which he discussed with the Mayor and staff. It
was still under investigation before being presented to the Council. He apologized that
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the proposal came out this way. He stated that he was meeting with Director Miller on July 26,
2007 at 4:00 to go over updates. He invited the Council to join them. Alderman Spears warned
him about the open meeting act.
- Alderman Munns stated that he does not read the Beacon News however he does not like hearing
from residents about this type of article. He stated that the Council should not continue down the
road where some people know about things and others do not. He stated that Alderman Golinski
directed him to the website he spoke about and he was shocked to see a county resident's website
with more information than he ever had as an alderman. He questioned the source of this
individual's information and expressed his concern with this.
Treasurer Powell commented that he supported the road program but cautioned the City Council
to be cautious when committing a set percentage to any program. He suggested that the budgeted
needs be met first.
Fox Hill Medians
Alderman Munns asked Director Miller if landscaping of the medians in Fox Hill has been
researched. Director Miller stated that he was unaware of this but would look into.
Subdivision Landscaping
Alderman Leslie noted that developers are going with a wild flower coverage. He stated that the
landscaping by his subdivision looks like weeds. He asked that developers be kept to a standard
with this type of landscaping. Director Miller explained that the ordinance covering this has
requirements for the seed mixture used however there is limited control as to which plants will
thrive at a given location.
Park Maintenance Fees
Alderman Besco asked if the future maintenance fees for parks could be put on a Public Works
Committee agenda. Director Mogle stated that a work schedule for the staff needs to be
established so the staffs time and duties can be recorded better. This will take time to develop.
Alderman Besco asked that this project be kept moving forward.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to into executive session for the purpose of discussing the
purchase or lease of real property for the use of the public body. So moved by Alderman
Golinski; seconded by Alderman Munns.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Spears -nay, Sutcliff -aye, Werderich -aye, Besco -aye,
Gohnski -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye
The City Council entered into executive session after a ten minute break at 10:50 p.m.
The City Council returned to regular session at 11:30 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to adjourn. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by
Alderman Besco.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
Meeting adjourned at 11:30 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
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Jacquelyn Milschewski,
City Clerk City of Yorkville, Illinois
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Your Honor, my ethical alderman and Enoch Besco,
I have handed to your Chief of Police, the Mayor and your City Clerk
additional Hamman Farms IEPA Annual reporting forms for
reporting years of 1996, 1997,1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006, that were
filled out in similar fashion as the three Hamman Farms IEPA
reporting forms I presented to you at your last council meeting two
weeks ago for reporting years 1999.2000 and 2001.
Since Peoria Disposal owns 20% of the Fox Moraine landfill and that
new ownership was an issue in the redo Northstar /Fox Moraine
Annexation, Mr. Hamman is in violation of IEPA Reg. 830.106 and
should be shut down.
Chief Martin, where you on the criminal investigation of the packet
of information that I gave you last week?
(Pause) WAIT for ANSWER Thank you.
Now I like to hand you all some new information obtained by the
Freedom of Information act from the Yorkville City Clerk's office.
This does not pertain specifically to Mr. Hamman, but you can use
your own judgement and come to your own conclusion about these
documents that I am presenting tonight and those presented two
weeks ago. You will now understand why I have asked for an
independent investigation and requested that the Kendall County
State's attorney's office be bypassed for obvious reasons.
Our law enforcement personnel are sworn to do their duty and are
suppose to be A- political. They are not supposed to be an
enforcement arm for any political regime in power or out of power.
This is not Europe in the 1930's.
Alderman Plocher seems to have law enforcement personnel who
take an over active interest in his life. If it can happen to Joe
Plocher, it can happen to any citizen in this town or county.
Upon Mr. Plocher election on April 17, Sergeant Schwarzkopf took it
upon himself to start his own renegade investigation of Mr. Plocher
because the Voters in Ward 2 elected him. Chief Martin had to call
Sergeant Schwarzkopf in his office on the afternoon of April 19 and
give him a direct order to cease and desist his renegade
investigation because it was not within his jurisdiction to do so.
This is the first instance of political bias within the Yorkville Police
department against Mr. Plocher. It starts in the upper ranks, as
these officers are the ones that have been here the longest,
apparently thinking they know what is best for the city. Since these
individuals are in the Senior Command Structure this dogma is
propagated to the lower ranks within the Yorkville Police Dept. Who
knows maybe this behavior at the lower ranks is even rewarded by
the brass within the YPD for going on political witch - hunts.
Since Chief Martin showed some leadership, I commend him for
doing so; another avenue. of attack on Mr. Plocher had to be found.
That new avenue of political attack had to come from the county
level and the Kendall County State's Attorney's office. Do I need to
remind you who helped Eric Weis to get elected?
Please see the FOI request I just received yesterday, this is
something I have been working on since the April election. You will
remember the Jeff McElroy "Sour Grapes" objection letter dated
May 1, 2007. It was Faxed to the City Clerk's office at 13:57 PM on
May 1, 2007. 1 remembered at that nights City Council Meeting,
Chief Martin stating that the Kendall County State's Attorney office
had asked for a copy of the 3-4 -2007 Plocher Police report. After
eliminating any other Citizen Requests for this Plocher 3-4 -2007
Police report, I asked for WHEN Eric Weis asked for and received
the 3-4 -2007 YPD Plocher report.
As you can see, this 3-4 -07 Police report was requested on 4 -30-
2007 via an email, by Janet Stroup, who is the Office Manager and
Personnel Secretary to Eric Weis in the Kendall County State's
Attorney office. The time of Janet's Stroup's YPD Plocher report
request was 11:24 AM on April 30th and it was made at the
personnel direction of Eric Weis. Read that Email for yourself.
I have not been able to confirm when the actual Fax was sent back
from YPD to the Kendall County State's Attorney office as the Fax
confirmation I got from the YPD is hand written, I do know the
window of time between the request and the City receipt of the
McElroy fax objection letter was roughly 26 hours.
I do know that Jeffrey McElroy stated to the Beacon News that he
received the 3-4 -2007 YPD 3-4 -07 Plocher report from a political
supporter. It appears to me that political supporter is now Eric
Weis. Could Eric Weis also have been the author of the McElroy
objection letter that our own City Clerk took upon herself to litigate
to prevent Mr. Plocher from taking his rightful seat on May 8th? You
are looking at some legal fees tonight for this episode, use your own
judgement and ask yourself is this politically motivated and will you
defend our system of duly elected democratic government against
this abuse of power?
Now Mr. Plocher is having to defend himself again for what appears
to be a minor bump in a private property parking lot and the full
weight of the YPD and the State's attorney's office is being thrown
at him. It appears he was on official city business and he also may
not be the source of the alleged damage to the 1995 Buick owned by
a Ms. Goldsmith from Plano. Confidentially there is an officer
Goldsmith on the YPD who 1 believe also has an address in Plano.
If this can happen to Arden Plocher it can happen to any citizen in
this town. I abhor this unauthorized release of Critical personal data
in this age of identity theft. We entrust this information to our law
enforcement officials and give it freely when asked by law
enforcement individuals to provide it and to have it thrown about
freely and publicly by the one that has been entrusted is an abuse of
power. That power is being abused for blatant political reasons. I
question the real motive Mr. Plocher has been charged with this
minor traffic incident on private property and if he is responsible at
all as this whole affair could be a well- orchestrated conspiracy by
our law enforcement community to sully Mr. Plocher good name.
You should wonder who the alderman with no balls to sign his own
name is. Who is the author of this anonymous, malicious and
slanderous document that was put in your mailbox? It is someone
that is setting amongst you now tonight. The person that needs to
resign tonight is Joe Besco. He is only one of the few of you, who
would have that necessary inside information about the Jack Jones
incident referred to in the anonymous document that was put in
your mail slot. Mr. Besco has shown a propensity for vicious
political attack and for spewing misinformation with outright lies.
We do not need anymore alderman like that; we have one to many
now.
Thank you,
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.An farmaandsrape`;wa.afe courpo6t fac liltyio�i `s1 .b' e ka ied ti "th 'f sitter oi'' ro ez owner on
.vhich.the compost ng.matetia� i>;:used..: As:an owner °Ui opet�tb'r -% f 4 u'on -fat i ail scti e:%waste '
compost facitity you are. rrrquired•to subqu. an annuiil report upd r 35']fl(inois Administt`htii�� Codc.
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` January 1, 199 ;tud.it s6a11 comer the'previou� calendar:year.,( . tiiiu; De�Cn>tticr 3.1
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(ffinois EnyiranmenW Protection:ge
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1 ' ,T_ he total voiume..oUmaterial - re' iveii for _composting tlurjng t ie 6alerid6r
5"143
a . ' cubic,yards
2. The'. total-'•valume of:compost'produced during'the'
oaler�d r.:;Year
C' cub' yards :;:.. "
3. . The total vaiilme of > cartnpost used..duri i'dth'e:'daiendar ear:
pubia.yards y
Pleaso continue Oh reverse .sideof form:
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marewthan 16 occupied;poifai residepces:Wi :1 mlc!o n aries:of-tae
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• q try f ttiose;iiidividuplt uamdia(ely, asiblC;for obi @inin infoiiga(ign;1<�elic`ve ihei
the stitxnittcd.information true acourata, and cprnPlete :C Am a4rarn that sherd arh`stgnl6ctlnt penalties for subinittipgYalsc infoi
mation. idc dirig the posclbdity of & and `ilnprisotuncnt '
Name,(PrihtJtype) r�•V) ``! i !21I Qh Phone �'"S�y �,�j�.
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Ag cy is, thoiized;to require this infbrinatfoti. under- 35 Code 8.3br106 2 Pise16sur6 of -this
info'rm_ation is required. `Failure tq do so'inaq,result m a ofvil penelty.gf riot to exceed 1:50,000 aild ari ucldidonul civil'perlalty
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of not to exceed S19. — . for each day:dUting:wfi ch Uia.violation:bccurs In addltlon,ifi z class A misdornosttior to submit
false ip form a_ 66i uiidBr the Environm'en (al . ,ThlsTatni h been epprbueil by the f?orrns`Mnri_agoijierit Cciiier;
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Adininistta�.tvc �Code4�30.1Q6�b �r
)(2 • ) 5 .. n Gii4fifm'L;aitdscape Waste.Compost Facility isit facility
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at is o perated bf the faFTq or pro ett `gaivsicr on livhtctr tf c com osti `niatetial isused: Thy
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annual report is dui lanuri `1, ?198 and t1 shat! cover the ` revious cult dar r �• a '
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I wlug staff tali eats "as.tbey relate so our Qb= Earm fa01 I
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_' .j;' 1. Tie total t %olume of rnateriat ieee ved - -
• for' comvastirig_ during tie calendar yesii'
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Thc.fatal v6Wu ie of comvost - durid - the calendar 'ear:
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1, The'composting facilrty:islbpc�atcd b 'the fa�iiicr' oa pio `crty:on.which the cone osttng ;-
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material is utilized and thc`cotrt `i s'titt facilit� •. constitutes no more .thaa 296 f the'
7. propertys total acreage ; exccpf that tbts'Agcncy rna`y allow, a higher`pe�centage for
- individual sites where tlic iiwrier;ot. operator has deniotistrated -io the A 't�e.
she's soil characte isties`or crop heeds re�uirc a h her rate;: -:'' '
2.
The" ro ert 'otl'wliich the -eoni 'ostin :facili is lotted and an associated
p ro p e r t y .
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on which tile .composl:is_ use d, is principally aad diligatly devoted toabe pi
of agricuitural crops and is riot owned; leased or othciw_ jse zoatfollcd byan waste`
haul ' `r ltumlc m osf mate al' :and thc `o `rato o
•I r'nr generator of n 'nag icu a r p - s; a
_ - com • ostin facil r is not 'T-• •.. - .:.�..,; :. -_ •.'r_ , ` y;
an em to ` c ' artticl• 'shiireholcle or;iri aii wa `rinccted _ :'
: .with or controlled b 'an such waste
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VVV 3:.Ail coinpust genetaled by.thc co ositri faciltt is a lied al
agronomic tates`arid
_ as mulch, fertilizer or soil conditioner on land actually` farmed by the person ope atiiig `.-
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the cotiiposting facility, the finished composi'is riot stored at Ihe'compasting'site
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for:a'period longer than IS months'prior to•its applica, 00 as'inul0 fertilizer, `or :Soil =
coalitioner. - 1 = -
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4. AIE composting i itieiial tvas placed more'than 200 feet :fiom.tbe nearest potabic water .
supply well, was placed iiutside ibe boundary of the 104yeai (loodplain a part of ;
the site ih�it is [loodproofeii�: was placed - at least 114 mile from theaneares't. residence
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{other than a residence located oh the saittc` ra a as tba facili add tbec z+re not.
more' 'thar'_• 10 occupied nonfarm residences within 1/Z mile.of the bouadattes of the site -
`on the date of application; and was plat cd more tlign 5 ; feet above tlir3':watei table''
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i t ertify urider penalty of law that i ha►e pcisonagy'e :amirted >t Air'i familiiit. viith We sutxniittd in this ind .•.11 i
doctrnents, aitd that baud on my inyuiry� o those individuils irumediaselr responsitilo for otitaintng xhi iii ram atlon, I believe thit -
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the iutintilted Iriformition it True acwrate and complete: I am Awsro Choi theii iie iigoific�innt peiW6s foraitxnittiiig false infor =�`
matbn, indticGrig the possibility of ruie and tmprisohmen {
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�Signatur T}ate
- .4bi Agency is authorized to rrgbhv this h4bffnstbn IS Min" is Coda B 6.194bX2} - DtscJ9ui it of this `-
mfoitnation b txquited: Failure to'do so ma) icsulCiri s eivt7 E;erialty of aot to exceed TSO.000 and' additional civil Ixnslty'
;. of not'to exceed 510, 000 for each day iitiring afiicb the "�iolatlaa decors.' -In addi is a class's miscletneadpr id svbinit
false information under the 6vimn Act: iiiis tbrm has betaapprovCdby ttte roims hfanagerncntYCcnitr :.
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L41TED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS
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MEETING OF THE
CITY COUNCIL
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS taken at the
meeting of the Ci Council for the United City
of g y
Yorkville, taken on fta=y 24, 2007, at the hour of
I ' 7:00 p.m., before Teresa S. Grandchamp, C.S.R., at
II� the City Council Chambers, Yorkville, Illinois.
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D- 823807
REPO • COURT
reporting service
1212 South Naper Boulevard Suite 119 -185 • Naperville, IL 60540 • 630 - 983 -0030 • Fax 630 - 299 -5153
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1 PRESENT:
2 MAYOR VALERIE BURD, Chairman,
3 MR. JOSEPH BESCO, Alderman,
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4 MS. ROSE ANN SPEARS, Alderwoman,
j- 5 MR. MARTY MUNNS, Alderman,
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6 MR. JASON LESLIE, Alderman,
7 MR. GARY GOLINSKI, Alderman,
8 MR. JOSEPH PLOCHER, Alderman,
9 MS. ROBYN SUTCLIFF, Alderwoman,
10 MR. WALLY WERDERICH, Alderman,
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08:28PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Can we have roll
6 call by the Clerk.
7 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie.
8 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Here.
9 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Werderich.
10 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: Here.
11 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Golinski.
12 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Here.
13 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Plocher.
14 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: Here.
15 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Munns.
16 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Here.
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18 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: Here.
19 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Besco.
20 ALDERMAN BESCO: Here.
21 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears.
22 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Here.
23 MAYOR BURD: Okay. We have a quorum.
24 And can I have introduction of our guests, please.
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1 And we'll start with the City staff.
2 MR. MARTIN: Harold Martin, Chief of
3 Police.
4 MR. DHUSE: Eric Dhuse, Director of
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6 MR. MILLER: Travis Miller, Community
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8 MR. MOGLE: David Mogle, Director of
9 Parks and Recreation.
10 MS. MIKA: Susan Mika, Finance Director.
11 MS. KASPER: Denise Kasper, Human
12 Resources Manager.
13 MS. SPIES: Glory Spies.
14 MAYOR BURD: And can we start with you?
15 MS. GILBERT: With me?
16 MAYOR BURD: Uh -huh.
17 MS. GILBERT: JoAnn Gilbert.
18 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible), County
19 resident.
20 MS. SHEETZ: Stephanie Sheetz.
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22 MS. GRISWACK: Sharon Griswack
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6 MR. REESE: John Reese, County resident.
7 MR. HARMON: Scott Harmon, resident.
8 MR. SCHWARTZKOPH: Don Schwartzkoph,
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10 MR. GRAFF: Tony Graff.
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12 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Heather Gillard,
13 (inaudible) News.
14 MR. KENNY: Bob Kenny, attorney for the
08:30PM 15 Sexton Development project.
16 MR. NICHOLSON: Dan Nicholson, business
17 owner and County resident.
18 MR. SAGATO: Dennis Sagato, resident.
19 MR. COOK: Mike Cook, engineer for
08:30PM 20 Sexton Development.
21 MR. CAMPBELL: Rolf Campbell, landscape
22 architect planner for Rob Roy.
23 MS. GILMORE: Judy Gilmore.
24 MR. GILMORE: Tom Gilmore.
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1 MR. EVANS: Collin Evans.
2 MR. WOODWARD: William Woodward, traffic
3 engineer, KLOA.
4 MR. DANIELS: Drew Daniels, Sexton
5 Development.
6 MR. DUFFY: Joseph Duffy, Rolf
7 Campbell & Associates.
8 MR. PAGNOTTA: Steve Pagnotta, director
9 of (inaudible) developers.
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11 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible), property
12 owner.
13 MAYOR BURD: All right. Committee
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08:30PM 15 excuse me, amendments to the agenda. Do we have
16 any amendments to our agenda?
17 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Yes, we have the
18 treasury report on the consent agenda.
19 MAYOR BURD: Do I have -- all in favor?
20 (Body of ayes.)
21 MAYOR BURD: All opposed?
22 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Second, we have to, on
23 the current bill list approval, remove the Dan
24 Kramer invoice on page 3 for $3800 off the bill
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2 MAYOR BURD: Okay. All in favor?
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6 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Wait, wait, one more.
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8 on the employee driver's license to pass it
9 according -- with the changes, amended changes
08:31PM 10 recommended by Alderwoman Spears about the
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12 MR. ROTH: And the elimination of the
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17 MAYOR BURD: All against?
18 All right. Committee meeting dates.
19 Public Works Committee meeting.
08:32PM 20 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yes, your Honor, 7
21 p.m., August 7th, 2007, in the City Hall
22 conference room.
23 MAYOR BURD: Economic Development
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1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Yes, your Honor, two
2 meeting dates, July 31st for the reinstatement,
3 lack of quorum for the last meeting, also 7 p.m.,
4 and 7 p.m., August 21st, 2007 here in the City
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6 MAYOR BURD: The Administration
7 Committee meeting.
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12 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Well, at this time
13 it's still 7 p.m., August 21st, 2007. However, if
14 we do pass the amended and restated governing
08:32PM 15 ordinance that is listed under item 1 of the City
16 Council report, then we will change that time to 6
17 p.m.
18 MAYOR BURD: Okay. We have a
19 presentation tonight, the Aux Sable Creek
20 Watershed Plan.
21 MS. SHEETZ: I don't know if we can
22 maybe dim the lights, if you can see that. Yeah,
23 that's great. Thank you.
24 MAYOR BURD: Hi, Stephanie. Would you
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2 MS. SHEETZ: Yes, I'm going to. I'm
3 Stephanie Sheetz of The Conservation Foundation.
4 I'm here to talk about a project that we have
08:33PM 5 going on in the Aux Sable Creek Watershed that I
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6 wanted to bring to your attention and explain to
7 you and ask for your support.
8 I thought there are some new Council
9 members, so I'm not sure who is familiar with The
08:33PM 10 Conservation Foundation and who isn't, so I just
11 have two slides here to talk about who we are, and
12 the bottom line of our mission is about protecting
13 lands and watersheds, rivers and streams, and so
14 we are working to that end.
08:33PM 15 And we have been working in the area
16 since 1972. We started in DuPage County, but then
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18 and Will Counties and have been serving those four
19 core counties for the past 10 years or so. And
08:34PM 20 we're supported by about 4,000 members and we have
21 nine employees that are full -time and a few
22 part -time.
23 And about a year ago we opened up a
24 program office in Kendall County on the west side
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08:34PM 5 So without further ado, I would like
6 to talk about the Aux Sable Creek Watershed Plan. f
7 Most of you are probably aware that there is a
8 coalition that has been active in the watershed
9 for a number of years now. In the mid '90's, kind
08:34PM 10 of as a result of the flooding that took place in
11 1 96, there were a number of watersheds that
12 undertook watershed planning and put together some
13 baseline information about the biology that's
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16 of what we have there and also some guiding goals
17 about some principles that they would like to see
18 achieved in the watershed and how to protect the
19 character of the area given the changes that are
08:35PM 20 happening.
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22 the late '90 there has been a lot of change
23 happening, a lot of growth and development in the
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1 some requirements that the Illinois Environmental
2 Protection Agency has in terms of watershed
3 p lanning. They have come out with a set of nine
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08:35PM 5 order to qualify for funding for future projects.
6 And what we're talking about is Section 319
7 funding, which is for nonpoint source pollution
8 projects. We're talking about stream bank
9 restoration. We're talking about pollutants that
08:35PM 10 come off of driveways, off of rooftops, off of j
11 streets, that type of You know, one of
12 those is a no dumping in the sewers because it
13 will go straight to the river. That's all
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17 directly affect the quality of a creek.
18 So given those changes, given the
19 new requirements of the EPA to qualify for funding
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21 the watershed we have a Class A rating, the
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1 things are changing.
2 So what this project includes is an
3 update of strengthening to the existing plan to
4 now meet the new criteria that are there, and,
08:36PM 5 really, the -- I' 11 go over some of those
6 criteria, but they're really about trying to make
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9 But I'll spend just a minute talking about that.
08:36PM 10 And the second component of the
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12 we complete a plan, be letting people know what
13 are the recommendations in that plan. It's going
14 to identify some potential projects. We want to
08:37PM 15 be working on trying to get some of those -- going
16 through those recommendations that are maybe
17 higher on the list in terms of protecting the
18 creek. And we hope what that plan should do is
19 set us up for a good number of years in the future
08:37PM 20 with activities that will be proactive in
21 protecting the watershed.
22 Now, I mentioned these nine
23 criteria, and I believe in your agenda packet you
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1 some of the items that I'm talking about tonight.
2 The first page of that there are -- these nine
3 criteria are listed. I'm not going to go through
4 them, but what it comes down to is, if I could
08:37PM 5 summarize it, is identifying issues, existing
6 issues that are in the creek and any potential
7 problems. And when we say "potential," we mean
8 there are some known issues that occur as
9 development occurs in a watershed. And so those
08:37PM 10 are going to be identified because most of the
11 watershed is not built in right now, so we want to
12 be sure that as we're growing both unincorporated
13 and incorporated proposals are trying to do the
14 best that we can for the quality of the creek.
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17 problems and being proactive about that. But then
18 measuring success, monitoring that and measuring
19 it over time, and that's a big component that we
08:38PM 20 haven't seen in some of these plans. There are
21 some good guidelines, but these coalitions that
22 are grassroots organizations don't really know
23 what projects they should be doing or how should
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1 local government, other organizations, to make
2 sure that they're trying to do the best for the
3 watersheds. So this plan will help a lot more
4 with that and be a little bit more specific on
08:3BPM 5 those types of projects and recommendations.
6 The update and strengthening is also
7 going to include completing a green infrastructure
8 plan for the watershed. Through The Protect
9 Kendall Now project, which I think a lot of you
08:38PM 10 are familiar with, we mapped out the green
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12 percent of the watershed is in Kendall County.
13 Another 26 or so is in Grundy County, and then
14 there's a small portion that's in Will County.
08:39PM 15 So the watershed said -- the
16 coalition said, hey, that's great that you guys
17 are doing that, but we want to complete it for the
18 entire watershed because we want to make sure that
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21 function in terms of floodplain areas of wetlands
22 as a good function that we need to be protecting
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1 And here is a listing of some of the
2 information. Basically the same approach that we
3 took with The Protect Kendall Now, in terms of
4 gathering information from comp plans, other
08:39PM 5 natural areas information that might be available,
6 land use covers to identify kind of forested areas
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8 one place and identify what it -- what makes up
9 the green infrastructure.
08 :39PM 10 The second component is the
11 education outreach, and there are several major
12 activities that we've identified. We have not
13 gone into a lot of specificity about this yet 1
14 because some of them are going -- some of the
08:40PM 15 activities in this portion will come directly from
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17 a mix of what we think might be some good things
18 to do and then trying to leave it a little open to
19 be able to start working on implementing that plan
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21 The plan update itself should take
22 about a year. The second year we kind of build as
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1 we're trying to do that throughout the project.
2 But it's going to entail contacting the landowners
3 according to that green infrastructure plan for
4 the rest of the watershed.
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6 that's in Kendall County, the areas that fall
7 within some of the jurisdictions in Kendall
8 County. Those landowners who own land according
9 to that plan that was completed and endorsed by
08:40PM 10 the municipalities in the County, we've been doing
11 that contact. We will want to finish that for the
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08:4IPM 15 the recommendation, and trying to keep that top of
16 mind as things are occurring in the watershed.
17 We also plan to help to facilitate a
18 little bit more conservation design, more of the
19 principles of stormwater best management practices
08:4iPM 20 being incorporated in some of the proposals that
21 are coming forward.
22 We got some money from the Grand
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24 project specifically for what we're calling a
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08:41PM 5 they don't know how to get those into the plan.
6 So we said, okay, well, we want to work
7 proactively with the development communities and
8 try to encourage some of those to be in the
9 proposals from the get -go. So that's part of this
08:41PM 10 project.
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14 range of activities that can occur. There is no
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17 activities and more principles that can be
18 incorporated into the proposals. So we'll be
19 working in that vein.
08:42PM 20 And finally just education and
21 outreach about some of the BMPs, that we fully
22 expect that the plan is going to recommend some
23 stormwater best management practices and we want
24 to be doing some education outreach about those so
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1 that they're making their way into many of the
2 local ordinances.
3 Some of the outcomes, I want you to
4 understand exactly what we're expecting from this
08:42PM 5 proj ect . One will have an updated and kind of
6 compliant plan; although, we're not identified as
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9 this updated plan, we qualify for a pot of money
08:42PM 10 that right now any project in the watershed
11 wouldn't qualify for. So we want to make sure
12 that we can meet those standards to be open to
13 have access to that funding.
14 The watershed wide open space plan,
08:42PM 15 as I mentioned, contacting the landowners in the
16 rest of the watershed to gage interest and talk
17 about options for land preservation. There -- you
18 know, there is a whole gamut of options that
19 people have and we want landowners to know about
20 that.
21 We fully expect that the -- some of
22 the recommendations in the plan, while they won't
23 get specific about, you need to change your
24 ordinance to do this or that, they'll say, well,
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1 in identifying potential issues that could happen
2 in the watershed based on what we've seen happen
3 other places, they'll say, these types of
4 stormwater best management practices can help
08:43PM 5 address those issues. And so it's recommended
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7 growing into the watershed, that are located in
8 the watershed, consider incorporating those into
9 many of the developments that are doing their
08:43PM 10 ordinances.
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12 know there is always some question about, well,
13 what's the most effective one and which one should
14 we be doing? We want to be able to answer that by
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17 studying here with this project. So hopefully
18 it's a lot more concrete in terms of some actions
19 that we can be taking.
08:44PM 20 And finally we hope that through
21 that development training module and through the
22 education outreach and through having this plan
23 done, we'll end up getting more results on the
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1 Some of the benefits. I've listed a
2 lot of these in your packet as well. In the
3 interest of time, I won't spend a whole lot of
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_ 08:44PM 5 little bit and I've mentioned that they provide
6 funding for projects. And the type of projects
7 that we might be talking about might include a
8 project that we were working on in Manhattan where
9 the Manhattan Creek was piped and there had been a
08:44PM 10 lot of trouble with flooding, and when the
11 development across the creek came in, the village
12 worked with them and The Conservation Foundation
13 was involved in that, and while they did not get
14 Section 319 funding for it, it could have
08:44PM 15 qualified.
16 What they did was they took the
17 creek out of the pipe, they day- lighted it,
18 brought it back up to the ground, meandered it and
19 put a lot of needed plantings in there to deal
08:45PM 20 with the issues in the creek, with the quality and
21 with the flooding. So that's an example of a
22 project.
23 Another example is in Villa Park.
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2 some rain garden areas, I think more kind of
3 native planting, and they did get Section 319
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08:45PM 5 they needed a new facility and they were able to
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7 The IEPA will fund up to 60 percent
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9 319, the nonpoint source pollution. That's a big
08:45PM 10 chunk of money and we want to be able to qualify
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13 middle of Aux Sable, which I know is in your
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08:45PM 15 stream -based erosion. Well, we want to deal with
16 that issue and we can potentially qualify for
17 funding by having this plan in place.
18 So those are some of the concrete
19 examples. We also know that there are long -term
08:46PM 20 benefits of dealing with some of the flooding
21 issues that come up and we need to be careful of
22 preserving our green infrastructure so that we
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2 So I think I'll move on. We can
3 talk more about that if you'd like.
4 I'd like to finish by just briefly
08:46PM 5 talking about the project cost. We got a majority
\/ 6 of the funding from the IEPA for this project, and
7 that is confirmed funding. The total project cost
8 over two years is about $230,000. Another good
9 chunk of that we got from the Grand Victoria
08:46PM 10 Foundation for that developer training module that
11 I talked about. The rest of it we're kind of
12 piecing together.
13 We've applied for a grant through
14 the Morris Community Foundation. They provide
08:46PM 15 funding for projects like this, and since, you
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17 County and Morris area, especially that mapping is
18 all in Grundy County, we felt it appropriate to
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21 happen with that funding, but we hope that it's
22 going to come through.
23 We've also tried to tap the Kodak
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1 green infrastructure mapping and we think that
2 this is an appropriate project to help with that.
3 So -- and then the Aux Sable Coalition. The
4 citizens are putting up some money. They have
08:47PM 5 been asked to help with that because they have
6 some investment in what's happening in this area
7 and they're participating.
8 And finally the investment of the
9 local government partners. Just like we did with
08:47PM 10 Protect Kendall Now, we're going around and
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13 do that.
14 And here is a list of the local
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16 been requesting to provide some of that funding.
17 So I'm here tonight to explain this
18 project and also to ask for your support and
19 hopefully the City would consider funding this
08:48PM 20 proj ect .
21 MAYOR BURD: Any questions?
22 Alderwoman Spears.
23 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Stephanie, I have a
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2 that collectively, the 26,500, or are you looking
3 for that amount from each unit?
4 MS. SHEETZ: That would be collectively.
08:48PM 5 We have estimated that we can piece that much
6 together.
7 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And this
8 would be over a two -year period; correct?
9 MS. SHEETZ: Yes.
08:48PM 10 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And then
11 also -- I would like to direct this to Travis. Do
12 you work with this foundation as far as the
13 developments that are proposing to come in up
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08 :48PM 15 MR. MILLER: The Conservation
16 Foundation?
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19 involved in various projects. Stephanie has
08:48PM 20 always been available to staff. The Hudge advice
21 (phonetic), they have participated with us. A
22 specific project that comes to mind off the top of
23 my head is the property at the intersection of 126
24 and 71 that was annexed. There was a wooded area
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2 Council at the time that it was annexed and
3 Stephanie has been gracious enough to assist us
4 through those discussions, and those are
08:49PM 5 continuing. And there are other projects as far
6 as that goes.
7 MS. SHEETZ: They kind of come and go.
8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Well, I think I
9 questioned the last time we had a development
08:49PM 10 before us and I asked if they received approval
11 from the IDNR and you said it was too preliminary
12 because it was just concept.
13 MR. MILLER: The Department of Natural
14 Resources?
08:49PM 15 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Yeah, we were
16 talking about that as well, and --
17 MR. MILLER: I apologize. I don't
18 recall the specifics of that discussion.
19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. But are they
08:49PM 20 in the foundation -- The Conservation Foundation,
21 are they in on the onset of a project that is near
22 a creek, the Aux Sable Creek?
23 MR. MILLER: Well, we -- what The
24 Conservation Foundation did about a year ago, as
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2 years on producing the Protect Kendall Now project
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08:50PM 5 tributary to the Fox River and other greenways
6 within Kendall County. Now, that is an overlay.
7 The information was provided to us as other
8 jurisdictions in Kendall County. The form of LISA
9 was overlaid with their own data. So as we looked
08:50PM 10 at developmental plans, we have that as another
11 piece of information to ensure that what the
12 Protect Kendall Now plan recommends for
13 preserving, maintaining as open space is
14 consistent with the development plans.
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18 comprehensive plan. So, yeah, I feel like since
19 I've been here, I think we're probably 90 percent
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21 the City envisioned for land use is, and what the
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23 (inaudible).
24 In general, the details, as far as
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1 when development occurs along those adjacent to
2 those green spaces, how stormwater is handled that
3 goes through those green spaces, how development
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08:51PM 5 of those things, we consistently need to monitor.
6 But at this point, I can speak to that plan as
7 being (inaudible).
8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And, Stephanie, one
9 last question. Have any local governmental units
08:51PM 10 committed yet to you or have you just presented
11 this to us first?
12 MS. SHEETZ: Yes, we have had a couple.
13 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay.
14 MS. SHEETZ: We haven't had any formal
08:51PM 15 agreements set up with any of them, but the city
16 of Morris has contributed, Kendall County, Kendall
/ 17 County Forest Preserve District have agreed to
18 contribute, and Plainfield Park District. So I
19 have been around to most of the municipalities.
08:51PM 20 It takes a while.
21 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right.
22 MS. SHEETZ: And I want to respect that
23 process, but we are slowly coming together just
24 like we did with Protect Kendall Now.
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1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Now, is there a
2 specific amount that you are going to request from
3 Yorkville?
4 MS. SHEETZ: I have a range at this
08:52PM 5 point --
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7 MS. SHEETZ: -- because it depends on
8 those grants. If they come through, then I need
9 less. If they don't come through, then I need
08:52PM 10 more. So my range at this point that I would hope
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12 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay.
13 MS. SHEETZ: -- each of the two years,
14 and I think --
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16 years?
17 MS. SHEETZ: Yes.
18 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay.
19 MS. SHEETZ: And I think last time you
08:52PM 20 budgeted for it, so it's not something that just
21 comes up extra here. I think it would be in your
22 next budget, and that's fine.
23 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. Thank you.
24 ALDERMAN BESCO: Stephanie, a few years
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1 back at the Illinois Municipal Conference there
2 was a seminar that I had gone to about
3 infiltration and the proposed nonpermeable -- they
4 were talking about -- I can't remember if it was a
08:52PM 5 state or a federal tax on nonpermeable services,
6 and they said that this is definitely something
7 that is going to come. I was wondering if you
8 knew any of the details on that. I couldn't
9 remember -- I've got to go back and look through
08:53PM 10 my notes, but I couldn't remember where that tax
11 was going and was any of that going to be used for
12 projects such as this.
13 MS. SHEETZ: Now, I don't know about
14 what you might be speaking about, but I guess the
08:53PM 15 first thing that pops into my head when you
16 mentioned a kind of tax for impermeable areas is
17 that stormwater utilities are starting to become
18 fairly used. And what they do is for an area --
19 it's not coming to mind, but I believe there might
08:53PM 20 be one in the Chicago area. I don't remember
21 where. But they -- each resident is taxed on the
22 amount of impervious area that they have. And you
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24 having a rain guard or something because you're
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1 trying to use that water as a resource and keep it
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3 which is an economic impact, and pollution issues
4 and things like that. I don't know of any state
08:53PM 5 legislation.
6 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah, I can't remember.
7 I've got to go back and look at my notes, but I
8 know it was fairly detailed.
9 MAYOR BURD: I think I just read
08 :54PM 10 something not too long ago that that's coming
11 through. I didn't --
12 MS. SHEETZ: What has happened is, what,
13 I think about two years ago now is that Kendall
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08:54PM 15 they could enact a countywide ordinance for
16 stormwater.
17 ALDERMAN BESCO: So that authority comes
18 from the federal government to the county or from
19 the --
08:54PM 20 MS. SHEETZ : I think that comes from the
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22 ALDERMAN BESCO: From the state.
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1 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah, I couldn't
2 remember if it was the state -- they were talking
3 about state or federal, and that was my question.
4 And as to -- I seem to remember some of it that --
08:54PM 5 I mean, they were discussing recharge areas and,
6 you know, the aquifers and the value of having
7 permeable --
8 MS. SHEETZ: Right.
9 ALDERMAN BESCO: -- surfaces.
08:54PM 10 MS. SHEETZ: Opportunities to
11 infiltrate, yeah.
12 ALDERMAN BESCO: Sure, sure, absolutely.
13 And I was just curious as to where those funds
14 were. Were they designated or were they -- I
08:54PM 15 can't remember that. I'm going to have to go back
16 and check my notes. I thought you might just have
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18 MS. SHEETZ: I can't confirm whether
19 there is any funding for that or not. I'm not
08:55PM 20 aware of that.
21 ALDERMAN BESCO: Okay. Thank you.
22 MAYOR BURD: Anyone else? Any other
23 questions?
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1 comment. It's unrelated. It's kind of a
2 coincidence that you're here this evening talking
3 about Aux Sable being an A -rated stream, and I
4 think one of the others that are in the area is
08:55PM 5 the Rob Roy Creek which we're going to hear from.
6 So I just want us all to keep in mind that the
7 same thing that we're doing for Aux Sable we need
8 to start looking at with Rob Roy Creek as an
9 A -rated stream in the state as well, which are
08:55PM 10 very rare.
11 The Conservation Foundation is not
12 working with that, is it?
13 MS. SHEETZ: We haven't been involved in j
14 this particular development or the Rob Roy. We've
08:55PM 15 worked on watershed planning for the Big Rock
16 Creek, which is a Class A stream for the
17 Blackberry Creek and the Aux Sable. Those are the
18 watersheds that we've been active in the county. j
19 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: Okay. Thank you.
08:56PM 20 MAYOR BURD : Thank you.
21 MS. SHEETZ: Thank you. Thanks for your
22 time.
23 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Let's move on to the
24 next public hearing. Sexton Development, LLC,
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1 Petitioner, has filed an application with the
2 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County,
3 Illinois, requesting annexation to the United City
4 of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1
5 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned
6 Unit Development and Concept PUD plan.
7 The real property consists of
8 approximately 272.186 acres, located on the north
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10 and west of Cannonball Trail, Yorkville, Illinois.
11 MR. DANIELS: Good evening, everyone. I
12 see some familiar faces and some people I've never
13 seen before, so I'll introduce myself. I'm Drew
14 Daniels of Sexton Development. I'm here to
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08:57PM 15 represent Sexton Development and my family on the
16 parcel you were just explaining, the parcel that
17 we like to call Rob Roy Falls.
18 Please forgive me if I fumble a
19 little bit, I'm a little nervous, but I have nine
08:57PM 20 wonderful consultants with me that can help me out
21 with any questions that you guys might direct
22 towards me that I can't answer.
23 So we'll just get started with some
24 of the components. Well, let's start with
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1 actually the characteristics of the site. Again,
2 what we're here tonight for is we're working on
3 the annexation of the PUD process. The property
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08:57PM 5 adjacent directly west of the future Beecher Road.
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6 We're about a quarter mile east of Eldamain Road,
7 and we're about 272, give or take, acres zoned
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08:58PM 10 almost splits the site. And basically we've been
11 working on this project for a long, long time.
12 I'd say well over five years.
13 My family has owned the farm for a
14 little over 30 years. We've had a terrific tenant
08:58PM 15 on the site who has taken great care of the
16 property, and, you know, we think that now is the
17 time to develop this piece of property.
18 Basically, taking all that into
19 account, taking into account the surroundings and
08:58PM 20 everything else that's going on in Yorkville, we
21 came up with three proposed -- well, basically
22 three components to the site.
23 The first and most obvious to
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1 commercial which fronts mainly on Route 34 and a
2 number on Beecher Road. Approximately 4,000
3 linear square feet of Route 34 is where the
4 commercial is located and about a thousand linear
08:59PM 5 feet along Beecher is commercial. The commercial
6 will be everything from large boxes to small
7 boutiques and a lifestyle center more towards the
8 middle, the lower portion of the site.
9 Moving on to our second component,
08:59PM 10 which would be our senior development, which as
11 you can see is directly west of the Rob Roy Creek.
12 It's, give or take, 75 acres, plus or minus. The
13 range of units that we're looking for in that area
14 are anywhere from 210 to 310 units. It will be an
08:59PM 15 age- targeted senior lifestyle living. What we're
16 looking for is single- family duplex and multiunit
17 buildings there.
18 What we are planning is basically --
19 well, some of the developers that we've been
08:59PM 20 talking to have built two -story senior housing in
21 the Lake County area. So I can't promise or
22 predict that all these will be ranch -style homes,
23 but the idea of the senior home would basically --
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1 it would have master bedrooms on the first level.
2 Within the Rob -- or the -- in the
3 senior development, we would have -- it would all
4 be private roads, private parks, and we would have
09:OOPM 5 a clubhouse, which is at the lower southeast
6 corner of the senior development over there.
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8 component. We have the -- what we like to call
9 the Rob Roy Club. That is 70, plus or minus,
09:OOPM 10 acres. It's located directly north of the main
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12 Creek. We are looking for somewhere between 298
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13 and 416 units in here, which would consist of
14 single- family clusters, duplexes, townhouses, and
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09:O1PM 15 mid -rise dwellings.
16 Basically, I'd like to kind of give
17 you a quick synopsis of what the Rob Roy Club is
18 because a lot of people have had a lot of
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09:O1PM 20 Here we go. This is a new and
21 unique concept for the Chicago area. It's a
22 combination of a potentially gated community, a
23 private country club, excluding the golf course,
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1 senior housing. This development, however, is not
2 age- restricted or targeted. It is planned to
3 appeal to active young adults and empty nesters.
4 The club facilities would include a clubhouse, a
09:O1PM 5 clubhouse with dining facilities, meeting rooms,
6 health club facilities, a swimming pool, tennis
7 courts, and all - purpose courts, with a usable lake
8 for fishing and water -ski activities.
9 The development will work by having
09:01PM 10 members pay an entry and initiation fee, which
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12 choose. They would then pay assessments adjusted
13 annually to cover the remaining cost of
14 development, management, maintenance, operations,
09:02PM 15 taxes, and reserve for replacements. Members can
16 remain in their units or swap for the other units
17 as their needs change and units of the desired
18 size and type become available.
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09:02PM 20 single- family detached and attached housing in
21 units in three- to four -story elevator buildings
22 with enclosed parking. When a member elects to
23 move out of the development upon proper prior
24 notice, he or she is eligible for a return of 75
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1 to 100 percent of their entry fee, which is an
2 amount to be determined, to be returned upon
3 occupancy by a new member.
4 And like the senior development, the
09:02PM 5 streets and the parks within the Rob Roy Club
6 would be private and as well as all the amenities
7 to the country club.
8 And -- well, I guess that's the
9 whole entire site in a nutshell. I know that
09:02PM 10 there is going to be lots of questions, but I
11 think what I'd like to do now is open it up for
12 some questions. I know that some of you may have
13 just heard me speak real quickly about the -- when
14 I said water -ski activities directly north of
09:03PM 15 there. My brother happens to be an avid
16 water -skier and so he's been looking for a piece
17 of property to do this on for a very, very long
18 time. He's a part of the Water -Ski Association.
19 He knows all the rules and regulations. And,
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22 course on the lake.
23 And basically what we were hoping to
24 do is as one of the amenities to the Rob Roy Club
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1 would have a private boat that would have the
2 ability to take people out on the lake and use the
3 ski facility and possibly host, you know,
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09:03PM 5 that's throughout the United States.
6 Oddly enough, there are very, very
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7 few places in the entire midwest that can do this.
8 So it would be a definite -- an interesting
9 feature, and you'd be surprised as to how many
09:04PM 10 people that are into this and it's just not talked
11 about. So, I'd like to open everything up,
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13 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Do we have anybody
14 in the audience who has any questions for this
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17 MR. MILLER: Todd Miller, County
18 resident. With all the commercial there and the
19 proposed senior housing and your Rob Roy Club,
09:04PM 20 that looks like a pretty dense land use. What is
21 approximately, you know, the units per acre? How
22 many -- I mean, if you're two stories up, that's a
23 pretty dense usage, isn't it?
24 MR. DANIELS: Each one of the uses, to
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1 my knowledge, we have remained equal or under to
2 five units per acre. So, if that's correct, I
3 think -- right. And basically what we've been
4 able to do is we have been able to maintain 52
09:05PM 5 percent of open space between the senior
6 development and the Rob Roy Club over the -- j
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9 Basically this section here and here
09:05PM 10 is a total of 52 percent open space. So I think
11 when -- I really do feel that the amount of water
12 features that we have and the type of development
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13 we're putting in, it's unique to Yorkville. It's
14 not here yet and it's something that I think that
09:05PM 15 Yorkville could benefit from.
16 And I really think that this project
17 is going to have a special twist on it. It's
18 something that, I mean, I'm very proud of and my
19 consultants and I have been working on it forever,
09:06PM 20 and this is something I'm really going to be proud
21 to put my name on. It's not going to be
22 (inaudible), I can promise you that because that's
23 something I'm not all about.
24 And I'm sure that many of you don't
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1 want to see that anymore. I think that some of
2 the things that we have planned for both the Rob
3 Roy Club and the senior development are what can
4 be considered a higher end product for sure that
09:06PM 5 you've never even seen in Yorkville.
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6 Now, as for the senior development,
7 I know that we're talking to specific builders
8 right now that have done a lot of these buildings
9 that we're looking at in the Lake County area, and
09:06PM 10 it's a lot of masonry and a lot of -- they're
11 good- looking products.
12 I don't know if that answers your
13 question, but --
14 MR. MILLER: Where is all the parking at
09:06PM 15 for all those units?
16 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, everything
17 that you see there has got an attached garage or
18 the mid -rise dwellings actually have -- is it
19 parking underneath?
09:07PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, it
21 will be completely within the zoning unit
22 requirements.
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1 MAYOR BURP: Gentleman in the back
2 first.
3 MR. RAULSTON: Stan Raulston, resident.
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09:07PM 5 to the public?
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6 MR. DANIELS: Well we are -- well I'm
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8 Board on that. Obviously, what is difficult to
9 kind of see looking from even here, but -- well,
09:07PM 10 there is a lot of red lines on there, and what
11 those red lines are are the bike trails and the
12 walking paths. We're obviously doing everything
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14 requirements in regards to the Park Board in
09:07PM 15 making sure that we have all the proper bike
16 trails and everything that they request,
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18 Beecher, and everything along Route 34.
19 The senior community will be gated.
09:07PM 20 So it will not be open to the public. And I
21 believe the same with the Rob Roy Club.
22 So we have talked about some type of
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1 the Rob Roy Club, but it's very preliminary. We
2 don't know how, for the lake and everything else,
3 so we don't know if that means temporary hours or
4 weekend dates or what it will be, but we're still
09:08PM 5 working on that.
6 Well, the other thing is the upper
7 north -- northeast corner you can see, plus or
8 minus, eight acres in that corner there. Right
9 now we believe that's going to be used for or that
09:08PM 10 will be used for public use. So we're still
11 working on that, but I'm not sure what that will
12 be, but it will be public use. So --
13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: This
14 water?
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18 volume, traffic?
19 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, that's
09:09PM 20 something that my brother, he's been working on.
21 You may have noticed that I actually said an
22 entry -level or something along those lines event,
23 not a full -blown circuit event or whatever they
24 call them because it's true, that would bring in a
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1 number of people. If it did take off well and
2 it's something that the City liked, I'm sure that
3 we would be able to negotiate something with the
4 commercial developer for the parking along the --
09:09PM 5 inside the -- where the commercial would be. But
6 I can tell you that you will see a row of trees
7 directly behind the commercial. We're looking at
8 a pretty big piece of property here, and that's
9 not just a little sliver of land. That's quite a
09:09PM 10 bit of property. We're going to have a good size
11 berm there. And on the back of that berm,
12 basically the north side of that berm, what we're
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14 we're looking for, but an area where we can
09:1OPM 15 actually put seating of people along that entire
16 area right there to watch these events if that's
17 what eventually happens.
18 So we do think that we can handle
19 the crowd. When it comes to parking, if it was a
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09:1OPM 20 big enough event, we figure we'd have to negotiate
21 with the developer of the commercial to park in
22 the commercial.
23 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: 3,000 to
24 5,000 people come to these events. We're not
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1 talking about massive crowds.
2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I mean,
3 that's a fairly major event if you're pulling 3-
4 to 5,000.
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7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: That's
8 high -end.
9 MR. DANIELS: We'll figure out what can
09:10PM 10 and what won't work there, so -- but, I don't
11 know. I mean, there's definitely possibility for
12 concessions and everything else. I mean, it's too
13 early to find out. g
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14 MAYOR BURD: Does anybody else have a
09:11PM 15 question?
16 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: It just
17 appears that there is a lot of concrete, asphalt
18 and rooftops there. And is that why we have all
19 these retention ponds is because there is no
09:11PM 20 provisions there or that's the provisions for the
21 runoff or -- I mean, it just seems like an awful
22 dense usage. And is it like the parking lot is
23 going to have some of these permeable pavements
24 you were talking about or --
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1 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we've
2 looked at a couple different areas. Obviously
3 each -- depending on the end user for the
4 commercial, each certain big box or small box
09 :11PM 5 requires a certain number of parking. Obviously
6 you're not looking at a 100 percent finished
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8 asphalt out there. We're going to try our best to
9 break it up. But, actually, if we could take down
09:11PM 10 the one in the corner. That's great.
11 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: The great
12 commercial site.
13 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, right. Basically
14 it's a little tough to see, but we have worked
09:12PM 15 very hard with the City and our neighbors to the
16 east, the Kendall Marketplace, on negotiating and
17 working this -- there is a street that is actually
18 going to connect. It's just a little bit north of
19 the -- actually, if you could move it out.
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09:12PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'll be
21 your pointer.
22 MR. DANIELS: There we go. That's it.
23 And basically this road is going to do a couple
24 things. One, it's definitely going to break up
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1 the site. But more importantly -- the site is in
2 the sea of parking which is what you're talking
3 about. But more importantly, it is going to allow
4 Kendall Marketplace users to enter the Rob Roy
09:12PM 5 Falls commercial development, and, actually, that
6 road continues all the way down across Rob Roy
7 Creek and eventually will go into two different
8 properties. We've got -- there is another
9 property owner just to the west and then there is
09:13PM 10 the Cobblestone north.
11 What that will allow people to do is
12 to be able to move from development to development
13 without having to go onto Route 34. So there is a
14 lot of benefit there. We've worked really hard to i
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09:13PM 15 make sure that these land plans correlate as best
16 they can between -- I mean, everything has got to
17 flow here, and that was one of our major -- one of
18 the toughest things we've had to negotiate was
19 just to get this to work through there.
09:13PM 20 I think it will help break it up,
21 but when it comes to the amount of water on the
22 site and the amount of asphalt, the parking spaces
23 are dictated by the end user.
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1 exactly laid out, it's more than likely it will
2 never be laid out exactly like that. Depending on
3 the user, they may want to tweak it to the right a
4 little or to the left a little and that will
09:13PM 5 actually change up the way the parking is a little
6 bit. But essentially hat we're trying to show
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8 This area, this 130 acres, will be
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09:14PM 10 bit more stormwater than we need on the site.
11 There's no doubt about that. But what we have
12 decided to do is instead of just making 10
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14 best to make it an amenity. And I think it's
09:14PM 15 something that -- it will be clearly seen from the
16 Rob Roy Club and also, you know, the earlier
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18 We do have plans with the Rob Roy
19 Creek to actually go through conservation of the
09:14PM 20 creek, clear out all of the brush underneath and
21 really neaten it up to make it an amenity along
22 the -- I mean, for both the senior development and
23 the Rob Roy Creek.
24 The area that you see there in green
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1 is the floodplain. So it's actually -- we got
2 very lucky. It's very tight. But it's -- it is
3 something that we're going to be able to
4 completely modify and really enhance. That
09:14PM 5 will -- I think is really going to make it an
6 amenity.
7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There's
8 just a lot of runoff there, and, I don't know, is
9 there an amount of -- enough filtration there to
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11 living lakes as opposed to a sewer pond?
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13 you would say that. I just got -- I just had a
14 meeting with the Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation.
09:15PM 15 I don't know if any of you know who that
16 foundation is, but it is a -- it is a conservation
�. 17 foundation that is one of the largest in the
18 entire United States. They have unbelievable
19 facilities. And one of the things that we
09:15PM 20 discussed is two things. I brought to their
21 attention the Rob Roy Creek, about them possibly
22 helping fund and /or give us some insight as to how
23 to bring that back up to its 100 percent natural
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1 because the detention is -- you don't just dig a
2 hole and fill the water in it because that's not
3 going to -- that's not going to be what we're
4 looking to do.
09:16PM 5 For instance, I said fishing. These
6 guys -- this group has done many different quarry
7 pits, and what they've learned over the years --
8 now, they've been together for, oh, boy, 30, 40, j
9 50 years, whatever it is. There are ways that
09:16PM 10 when you dig that hole you'll actually create
11 ledges. And by creating those ledges, it actually
12 allows the fish to breed and have an environment
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14 the trades to not just dig a hole and fill it with
09:16PM 15 water. There's a way to actually, you know, get
16 that lake as populated as possible with fish, and
17 then we've obviously got the length and the depth
18 for the water -ski activities. So --
19 MR. PAGNOTTA: I'm Steve Pagnotta from
09:17PM 20 Bradford working on the retail component. We're
21 retail developers. And what I just wanted to
22 identify was as it relates to this transition
23 today in the retail plan. I think Drew has
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1 see here today, here is the Rob Roy Creek and the
2 pathway system and the greenbelt that's going to
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4 detention facility.
09:17PM 5 What we're trying to do on the
6 retail here is adjacent to the detention pond and
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8 restaurants near the detention with outdoor dining
9 and other things. What's pink here today or
09:17PM 10 lavender is really not pavement. It' s a
11 combination of buildings, parking, outdoor areas
12 and seating and so on. And then as you go closer
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09:17PM 15 terms of size and scale to complement what's
16 happening here.
17 Same thing. We'll have features
18 with greenery and paving and other types of, you
19 know, user - friendly -type of transitional zones and
09:18PM 20 then the larger buildings to the rear. So what's
21 in white today or pink doesn't mean it's hard
22 pavement. It's a combination of greenbelt,
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24 In terms of the percentage of green,
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1 I mean, this is a -- this is a 70,000 square foot
2 building, which is a relatively large building.
3 If you compare that to this block of green, it's
4 just a massive use corridor supplemented with the
09:18PM 5 ponds as you look into here. It's quite nice.
6 Again, this is ve v p reliminary. It's
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8 along.
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09:18PM 10 that we have done extensive engineering on the
11 site, and I can basically say where you do see the
12 water on this drawing here, this concept plan, is
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14 moved here or there, you know, 10, 20 feet,
09:18PM 15 whatever it is, but essentially what you see is
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17 MAYOR BURD: Okay.
18 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Drew, can
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20 MR. DANIELS: Absolutely.
21 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: In
22 regards to stormwater management that we're
23 involved with, all the stormwater management meets
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1 are working with a moving target as this project
2 moves forward. We wanted to give the land planner
3 enough information so to give a little better
4 idea, not only to the City, but also to the
' 09:19PM 5 residents of what it would look like and how much
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6 stormwater we would need to meet the City
7 requirement in Kendall County and other
8 requirements that we would need to meet. So --
9 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Does anybody have
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12 MS. GILMORE: Judy Gilmore. I think I
13 heard you say you were going to have two -story
14 houses in the senior citizen community.
09:19PM 15 MR. DANIELS: There is a possibility,
16 yes.
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17 MS. GILMORE: I'm just questioning that,
18 why you would not put ranch homes for senior
19 citizens.
09:19PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, that's
21 something that when I first talked about it, and
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23 lot of the developers we've been talking about --
24 because what we're planning to do is -- I'm not
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1 going to lie. I don't think I'm going to build
2 this entire site. I think parts of it I'm going
3 to sell off to other developers, and one of them
4 is the senior development section, you know,
09:20PM 5 component. And a lot of the builders that I've
6 been talking to, which are mostly in the Lake
7 County area, they have been building two - stories,
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9 masters on the first floor.
10 MAYOR BURD: Tom.
11 MR. GILMORE: Tom Gilmore. In the
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13 handicap accessible amenities built right into the
14 units being that it's a retirement community;
09:20PM 15 correct?
16 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, you know
17 what, I would assume so, but I cannot talk -- I
18 mean, this is -- I think what we're going for here
19 today is the senior development type of use. I
09:20PM 20 can't get into the actual details of the exact
21 architecture and the exact amenities because I
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23 something that they would come in, make sure --
24 I'm sure that they would obviously meet all of
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1 your requirements for ADA codes and whatnot. But
2 I'm sure we'll go above and beyond because of the
3 type of development it is.
4 MR. GILMORE: And would that be, you
09:21PM 5 know, some nominal changes, like slightly larger
6 door sizes, some things like that? Would that be
7 something for you as a builder to -- R
8 MR. DANIELS: You know what, though, I
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9 think what that would come down to is -- the
09:21PM 10 people that I turn this over to, obviously, this
11 is something -- they've built their particular
12 product many, many times over. They know what
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14 looking for.
09:21PM 15 MR. GILMORE: I'm assuming you're aiming
16 at a development like a Del Webb, for example.
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17 MR. DANIELS: Right, exactly.
18 MR. GILMORE: Who does along the lines
19 of what I'm talking about.
09:21PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Exactly. This is a little
21 bit too small of a project for Del Webb, but we
22 are talking to builders similar that do exactly
23 what they do.
24 MR. GILMORE: Thank you.
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1 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Do we have any other
2 questions?
3 MR. MILLER: One more question.
4 MAYOR BURD: Oh, wait, Mr. Miller.
09:22PM 5 There are people waiting behind you.
6 MR. GRISWACK: Tom Griswack. You know,
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7 I'm looking at it and I'm seeing a lot of red
8 lights on 34. Projected traffic counts as far
9 as --
09:22PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we have
11 kind of beaten this to death with Kendall County
12 or -- I'm sorry -- with the Kendall Marketplace.
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14 is --
09:22PM 15 MR. WOODWARD: Bill Woodward, KLOA,
16 traffic engineer. We have not yet conducted the
17 traffic study, but we will be analyzing the 34
18 corridor, projecting traffic for the development.
19 We've already had communications with IDOT along
09:22PM 20 this corridor. My firm, KLOA, also did the
21 traffic study for Kendall Marketplace, and the 34
22 expansion along Kendall Marketplace widening to a
23 five -lane cross - section will be continued along
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1 MR. GRISWACK: All right. If it's
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3 lanes would be going to the north into your
4 property or --
09:23PM 5 MR. WOODWARD: Well, actually --
6 MR. GRISWACK: -- or going to the south
7 into Fox Hill?
8 MR. DANIELS: Well this is something I
9 that we have been -- in early meetings with
09:23PM 10 Yorkville, we needed to be sure that everyone was
11 on the same page because this is very important.
12 And obviously everyone knows that there's a lot of
13 other developments in the area that need to keep
14 moving, Rush - Copley, Kendall Marketplace, and now
15 it's City Cobblestone to the west.
16 The meetings that we've had with
17 IDOT, we have been able to -- where you actually
18 see the stop lights on this plan right here are --
19 legally they're not set in stone, but I'm going to
09:23PM 20 say that they're pretty much where they're going
21 to be. The reason I say that is obviously Beecher
22 Road is going to be to the left here some day.
23 That's pretty much a given. The very next light
24 to the west, just to the west of the detention
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1 area down there, that lines up directly with the
2 Rush - Copley entrance. So some day that's going to
3 be even more in use. The following one right
4 there is lined up to the Sycamore.
09:24PM 5 MR. GRISWACK: Which is prewired now;
6 correct?
7 MR. DANIELS: Correct. And that's what
8 we're moving on right now, I believe. The
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09:24PM 10 up to --
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12 Farm (phonetic).
13 MR. DANIELS: Diehl Farm. And the last
14 one is actually an agreement that we have made
09:24PM 15 with the Cobblestone property, and there is
16 another property owner there, to make sure that
17 everyone's property is getting the highest and
18 best use for that light. We've gone ahead and
19 we've done the study. The distances are properly
09:24PM 20 laid out, and we think that the -- I mean, if
21 these are the lights, this is the best place for
22 them.
23 Obviously, the traffic counts don't
24 warrant it yet, but eventually the intersection
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1 that does connect the Kendall Marketplace and our
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3 distance for a light some day when more traffic
4 does show up on Beecher.
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09:24PM 5 MR. GRISWACK: The Fox Hill subdivision
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6 with the properties in close proximity to current
7 existing 34, the increased traffic noise and stuff
8 like that, would there be a possibility of a sound
9 barrier wall, something to -- with the immense
09:25PM 10 amount of traffic that's going to be generating
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11 and the widening similar to what they did in
12 Oswego to the Boulder Hill entrance over there.
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13 MR. DANIELS: Well, I think -- I don't
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09:25PM 15 of a sound barrier wall on Route 34. I don't
16 think that will be very favorable to the
17 commercial, but I think you might be able to
18 answer this better.
19 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE U IENCE MEMBER: Well,
09:25PM 20 would that be positioned such that it would be
21 behind the retail or in front of the retail?
22 MR. DANIELS: No, no, no.
23 MR. GRISWACK: On the south side of 34,
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1 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Just this
2 small subdivision.
3 MR. GRISWACK: Due to the increased
4 traffic through the subdivision of Fox Hill,
5 through the townhouses --
6 MR. PAGNOTTA: Is there room today to
7 build a landscape berm?
8 MR. GRISWACK: Pardon?
9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There is
09:25PM 10 a landscape berm.
11 MR. GRISWACK: There is a berm there.
12 MR. PAGNOTTA: We could probably add
13 evergreens or increase the height of the berm.
14 MR. DANIELS: Right. Yeah. I think --
09:26PM 15 well, that's something that I think we could sit
16 down with the City and we can negotiate and work
17 out.
18 I think that it's tough to see on
19 this plan. It doesn't look like there's very much
09:26PM 20 of a setback, but there certainly is a setback.
21 It doesn't go straight up right to the edge of 34.
22 So the buildings are set back. Like the pink does
23 look like all concrete from here to there. There
24 is a lot of landscaping and whatnot, but I
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1 understand where you're coming from.
2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: It's just
3 a huge amount of traffic. You're drawing in 1.1
4 billion square foot of retail.
5 MR. DANIELS: Right.
6 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: The huge
7 amount of traffic increase, and you're talking a
8 total of 1800 -- or, well, 1.8 million between the
9 two.
09:26PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Right. I understand what
11 you're saying.
12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: From the
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14 rest of it east of us is going to Rush - Copley and
09:26PM 15 the municipal center and stuff like that. We're
16 about the only residential area being affected by
17 that increase. And I'm sure you'll get sufficient
18 protection from sound barrier to your residents
19 that you're going to be building behind there.
09:27PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, and I think -- well,
21 exactly. We were able to do the proper buffering,
22 and I think when we have a more detailed plan, I
23 think you'll see that the proper buffering will be
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1 where the buildings are going to go.
2 MR. PAGNOTTA: But we're happy to look
3 at the existing conditions across the street and
4 make some determination if that's required. We
09:27PM 5 want to be good neighbors. We need to do some
6 investigation. We're not that familiar with it
7 today.
8 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other questions?
9 Mr. Miller.
09:27PM 10 MR. MILLER: One more. Does it slope on
11 that? You said it was a relatively flat site
12 (inaudible).
13 MR. DANIELS: Slope on the what?
14 MR. MILLER: Well --
09:27PM 15 MR. DANIELS: The site?
16 MR. MILLER: Yeah, the site is
17 relatively flat.
18 MR. DANIELS: It's relatively flat,
19 yeah.
09:27PM 20 MR. MILLER: So which way does the slope
21 go?
22 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, you'll see
23 right where it says Rob Roy Club, that's basically
24 the high point that the railroad says that --
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1 that's the high point and it goes to the southeast
2 corner.
3 MR. MILLER: So it slopes down.
4 MR. DANIELS: Correct, yes.
09:28PM 5 MR. MILLER: So, actually, the runoff
6 will go away from the creek then?
7 MR. DANIELS: Correct. In fact, we are
8 not allowed to discharge any water into the creek.
9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Don't say
09:28PM 10 that, because we are. We are discharging into the
11 creek from the stormwater basin. We are keeping
12 all this flood water or all our stuff just outside
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14 going to the southeast corner, but we're utilizing
09:28PM 15 the larger lake behind the commercial property for
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17 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: You may
18 want to highlight how the site might be graded.
19 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Basically
09:28PM 20 the existing grading that's on the site right now,
21 generally there's a ridge line that generally goes
22 through the middle of the site. Some of the
23 component goes through the southeast corner. The
24 rest of the site goes towards the creek. There is
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1 going to be a component down here for stormwater,
2 but it's going to continue to go in the path it's
3 going underneath 34 through the Rush - Copley site
4 to the south. The other flow will go into the
09:28PM 5 stormwater basins and then discharge at a
6 controlled rate near the Rob Roy Creek. So the
7 water is going to generally follow the same path
8 of where it's currently going right now. j
9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Getting
09:28PM 10 back to that natural filtering, will there be any
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12 discharged?
13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, the
14 basin acts itself as an infiltration basin. There
09:29PM 15 are going to be wet basins that obviously filters
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19 Plus, what will happen is generally
09:29PM 20 on these basins I think the intention is to create
21 something more unique, natural planning. Borders
22 around the perimeters of the ponds, those also
23 prevent and can also provide some standards of
24 best management practices.
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1 So I think that's what the intent on
2 the service is right now, but as we work through
3 the details, they'll come around as we go through
4 the approval process.
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09:29PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other questions?
6 Okay. Can we go to -- does City
7 Council have any questions?
8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: I have a couple. As
9 the alderman who probably lives the closest to
09:29PM 10 that, directly across the street, I'd like to know
11 if you're going to address the fact that I don't
12 want to look two times a day going in and out of
13 that subdivision looking at just a bunch of Fox
14 Valley concrete. So anything you can do to make
09:30PM 15 the -- you know, it sounds like with all the
16 amenities you're going to address that. j
17 We have done a traffic study for
18 that light at Sycamore. There is already over
19 20,000 cars a day going by there. That's without
09:30PM 20 Kendall Marketplace, without you guys. So I don't
21 know if that's going to double that or what or how
22 much that street can hold, but this gentleman's
23 point is good as far as the residents who've been
24 there for 10 years with nothing there. Obviously,
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1 it's going to be something there some day, I'm not
2 saying don't build anything, build something nice,
3 and maybe there could be some kind of
4 sound -- in addition to sight buffering, some kind
09:30PM 5 of sound buffering for all the current residents
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6 that have been there for a long time.
7 MR. DANIELS: Okay.
8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: And then as far as the
9 lights, now we can't -- we have no lights to get
09:30PM 10 out. It sounds like we're going to have like five
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12 MR. DANIELS: Right.
13 ALDERMAN MUNNS: So I assume we'll be
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15 MR. DANIELS: You are correct. I'm sure
16 of that.
_.J 17 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Yeah. I mean, I go in
18 and out of there twice a day. So coming in and
19 out, I'd like to have something that you drive by
09:30PM 20 going, oh, that's pretty nice over there.
21 MR. DANIELS: Sure.
22 ALDERMAN MUNNS: So I'm sure you guys
23 will address that as well.
24 MR. DANIELS: We will.
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1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: I'm not sure I can
2 envision the unique water features and all the
3 other stuff, but I can envision -- and I don't
4 know if I've seen it. I certainly haven't seen it
09:31PM 5 much. With the R -4 max density of eight units per
6 acre, I've got a real good vision of what that
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8 You're talking an area of
9 (inaudible) 71 acres and about 416 potential
09:31PM 10 units. And the senior, which "two -story senior"
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12 310 at 72 acres, I don't think addresses the
13 (inaudible) of the City or the quality of life.
14 It seems like a whole lot of people stacked behind
09:31PM 15 a great chunk of commercial on a little piece of
16 land relative to the residents.
17 So, in walking through it, I'd be
18 more than happy to listen, but --
19 MR. CAMPBELL: We've got two components,
09:31PM 20 two residential components. Neither of those two
21 have been built before in this community. In
22 fact, the private club I don't think has been
23 built really anywhere as we're proposing.
24 The density of the private club is
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1 five units an acre or less. That's the average
2 density allowed. And in the senior development,
3 it's 3.6 or less. I'm sure that we'll not end up
4 being all two -story buildings. It's a combination
09:32PM 5 of single, duplexes, three buildings shown as
6 mid -rise buildings.
7 I happen to live in Conway Farms in
8 the senior development. Our lower level is a
9 master bedroom. We have two bedrooms upstairs and
09:32PM 10 baths that we don't even use. Last weekend we had
11 company from Michigan. We used it. So I think
12 some of the senior units will be two - story. The
13 living accommodations for the people who are there
14 will be on the ground floor primarily. There will
09:32PM 15 be some -- probably some flats that will be
16 single- family only.
17 The end design of either the senior
18 development or the club is quite a ways down the
19 road to design exactly what it's going to be, what
09:33PM 20 it will look like, what the final design will be.
21 But the calculated density is no more than five
22 units per acre.
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24 I notice here in your handout you provided the
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1 City, the residential Rob Roy Club, plus or minus
2 71 acres of R -4 zoning, has total units of
3 298.416, ranging between 5.5 units an acre, R -4
4 max density of eight units. Is that just
5 referenced for the allowable --
6 MR. CAMPBELL: That's what your
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8 ALDERMAN LESLIE: -- the allowable
9 reference? So your intent is 5 -- 5.5?
09:33PM 10 MR. CAMPBELL: We would be better off
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12 I happen to have a picture of it if
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14 duplex can be.
15 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Absolutely, yeah.
16 MR. CAMPBELL: You can't use it because
17 it belongs to the developer.
18 ALDERMAN LESLIE: So when you're saying
19 multistory, you're not talking about -- I'm
09:33PM 20 envisioning quads, two -story quads.
21 MR. CAMPBELL: No.
22 ALDERMAN LESLIE: No? Okay.
23 MR. DANIELS: The picture does speak a
24 lot of words. It does help.
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1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Thank you.
2 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I do have several
3 questions here. First of all, I'd like to --
4 well, I'd just like to say that it says submitted
09:34PM 5 to Village and actually it should be City.
6 (Inaudible)
7 Secondly, when you were talking
8 about the water events that you were going to
9 have, and I think that we heard that possibly
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09:34PM 10 3,000 to 5,000 people will be attending and you
11 would negotiate with commercial property for
12 parking?
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13 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, if that's what it
14 comes down to.
09:34PM 15 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I think the only way
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17 and work with you is if it's after they're closed.
18 MR. DANIELS: Right.
19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: So are these events
09:34PM 20 going to be held at 10 o'clock at night?
21 MR. DANIELS: No, no, no. I agree with
22 you there. I think that -- I know for a fact --
23 and I wish I brought it with me. My brother had
24 typed out -- there are different levels of these
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2 the numbers he had written down were (inaudible).
3 And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, where are we going
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09 :35PM 5 wouldn't be a major event. It would be a
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11 quoted earlier?
12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: That's
13 the maximum at those type of events, I've been
14 told, around the country if it's a high -end.
09:35PM 15 Generally speaking, we're looking at this ski
16 course to be an amenity for special events, sort
17 of like -- and I'll be real blunt -- like Music
18 Under the Stars type of thing to where the
19 community can some to see skiers do some type of
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09:35PM 20 performance and open it up to the public. And
21 that -- normally you would see a hundred, maybe a
22 thousand people. And they will be, you know,
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24 Similar to Geneva Commons when they do these types
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1 of concerts in their gazebo area. They try to
2 help promote in the sort of dead time of summer,
3 as I'll call it as a retailer, to bring some
4 people to the retail site. And also to offer some
09:36PM 5 educational and enjoyment to see what water - skiing
6 type of events (inaudible).
7 ALDERMAN MUNNS: We're not going to hear
8 speed boats whizzing down there like seven days a
9 week pulling skiers?
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12 first, there's no doubt about it, the main idea
13 for this is for the Rob Roy Club. So it will get
14 very limited use, and as we work out the kinks, as
09:36PM 15 to what exactly the best hours are to run this,
16 you know, what the timing is on this thing, then
17 we can maybe open it up to the public and, you
18 know, we'll go from there. There's no doubt that
19 we're not just going to start that off with major
09:36PM 20 events or something like that. That's not our
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22 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And I just
23 want to highlight because I have like probably 50
24 questions in this whole thing. I'll just
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2 First of all, rather than an
3 age- targeted, I would be in favor of
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09:37PM 5 MR. DANIELS: Did I say targeted? I
6 think I meant restricted. Or -- I'm sorry.
7 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I mean, it's like a
8 toss -up. It could be, it may be, but --
9 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, no. That
09:37PM 10 was something that we were discussing is the
11 people we've met with.
12 MR. CAMPBELL: What we were talking
13 about on builder developers, all of them in
14 building products that we're talking about, much
09:37PM 15 prefer to have an age- targeted. The buildings
16 themselves are to be designed for people like me
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17 that's in this kind of a unit at the present time.
18 But it would be age- restricted. You limit some of
19 the people that you might want to get in a higher
09:37PM 20 tax bracket that would want to come into it and
21 move into it now, move into that category.
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24 want to pay impact fees either. So I think if we
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1 go ahead and do an age- restricted, this is what
2 our community needs rather than age- targeted. I
3 don't think we're looking for age- targeted, number
4 one. Number two, I don't think we need two -story
09:37PM 5 homes for seniors. I mean, God bless you, you're
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9 and would have the proper codes and everything and
09:38PM 10 the proper equipment in there as far as even a
11 no -step area. I think that this is what we need
12 in a community like that.
13 And I know that you're -- are you
14 going to show me that that could change? Because
09:38PM 15 I know that the senior housing, I believe I read,
16 would not even be in the planning stage for seven
17 or eight years; is that correct? Is that the time
18 frame?
19 MR. DANIELS: Well, no. You know what?
09:38PM 20 The earlier people that I had spoke to, which was
21 almost a year from now, at the time they were
22 thinking that we were still about six years out
23 before the market would even get here. But that
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2 actually had the full -blown -- well, what was it?
3 The complex where it's a hundred percent assisted
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09:39PM 5 We've taken that out of the mix now
6 altogether. We don't have that building anymore.
7 So this, I guess, would be a lot more -- a lot
8 closer in the future than six years.
9 MR. CAMPBELL: The assisted care
09:39PM 10 facility that we first started with was on the
11 first plan that we put with the City. We met with
12 three major builder developers, Fairview,
13 Erickson, and the building in Chicago, whatever
14 the name was. All three are major developers
09:39PM 15 nationwide. And the area was not ready for it,
16 one. And, two, the site was not large enough for
17 the number of units that they needed.
18 ALDERMAN MDNNS: Erickson is Monarch;
19 right? Monarch Landing?
09:39PM 20 MR. CAMPBELL: Monarch is one of the
21 Erickson developments.
22 Let me add one thing. In the
23 project that I live in that's in Lake Forest,
24 Conway Farms, it actually is an 18 -hole golf
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1 course, and we would have everything in the
2 age- restricted category. You have your choice in
3 there of, when it was built, of either two -story
4 or one - story. The bulk of the people in there,
09:40PM 5 while it's not age- restricted, it's age- targeted,
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8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: That's contrary to
9 what Del Webb proposes. Now, when was your
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11 MR. CAMPBELL: It's still being built
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13 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: When did they start?
14 MR. CAMPBELL: Started about 10 years
15 ago.
16 ALDERMAN SPEARS: Ten years ago. And I
17 think that was the trend 10 years ago.
18 MR. CAMPBELL: We were the designer of
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09:40PM 20 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right . And I
21 wouldn't disagree. Ten years ago I believe that
22 was the trend, but I think times have changed
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24 proposing a two -story home for seniors is just --
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2 And then I have some other questions
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4 MR. CAMPBELL: This is the building that
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6 MR. DANIELS: This is the two - story.
7 MR. CAMPBELL: That happens to be a
8 duplex, two -story duplex.
9 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: But my feeling is
09:41PM 10 people are paying for two stories, and as you said
11 numerous times, they're only using one. It's j
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13 builder because you are using actually less land.
14 But if you can provide them with a ranch home the
09:41PM 15 way that I think it should be --
16 MR. CAMPBELL: The intent is to have
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19 over the weekend, they used the upstairs. My
09:41PM 20 children visit me. They p use the upstairs. We
21 don't. We're downstairs. The ultimate plan would
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1 document here, your PUD, and I know it is just
2 conceptual, but I'd like to give you some opinions
3 that I have.
4 MR. DANIELS: Sure.
09:41PM 5 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: You're talking about
6 ordinances, codes and regulations, and you would
7 abide by the ones that are now in force and in
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9 the City, I believe, is trying to do is as we pass
09:42PM 10 different codes and ordinances, because we have
11 some major ones that are coming forth now, that we
12 do expect that to be written into the document, �
13 that you will conform to the latest codes and
14 ordinance that we have.
09:42PM 15 Also, I have a concern with the
16 types of products that you're going to propose,
,'. 17 single - family, cluster housing, townhome houses,
18 duplexes, and mid -rise buildings not to exceed
19 four stories. I think that your development
09:42PM 20 sounds like it could be very promising and very
21 good. We just don't need that many people. We
22 don't need that many people to reside in
23 Yorkville. I mean, you're just putting in with
24 your townhomes, your duplexes, and you're just
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09:43PM 5 rather open -ended with the City kind of being on
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8 sole responsibility for quite a few things
9 throughout this agreement, off -site easements for
09:43PM 10 water, and that might be typical in some. But
11 then we go down to page 8 and we're talking about
12 connecting to Kendall Marketplace.
13 MR. DANIELS: Yes.
14 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And the City shall
09:43PM 15 require the developer of Kendall Marketplace to
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17 bit from Kendall Marketplace, and I don't know if j
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19 page 27 -- okay -- you were then asking for
09:44PM 20 recapture agreements if anybody, you know, hooks
21 up. So it's kind of -- Kendall Marketplace is
22 going to just go ahead and hook up and give you
23 all the benefits. But if anybody would like
24 something from your property, then you're going to
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1 expect recapture fees, and it just seems so
2 open -ended or so --
3 MR. DANIELS: I can definitely say that
4 we are -- Kendall Marketplace is -- there is
09:44PM 5 nothing that's for free with Kendall Marketplace.
6 There is no doubt about that. They are very good
7 at what they do. They have negotiated many deals,
8 and we've worked very hard with them to work out
9 that -- while it doesn't look like much, but that
09:44PM 10 3.2 acres has taken quite a long time to negotiate
11 with, and they're getting other benefits from
12 that. But --
13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: In
14 response to your concern, we understand that and
09:45PM 15 we will take that -- and obviously the staff is
16 aware of that as well. In many respects when I
17 draft an annexation agreement to start with, some
18 provisions like a recapture agreement that you j
19 point out is a way to find out if there are
09:45PM 20 recapture agreements. If we come in initially and
21 say, we do not have to pay any recapture fees, the
22 first thing out of your engineering department is
23 going to be, well, there is five that exist, there
24 is two that exist, there is one that exists.
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1 There is no way in this annexation agreement that
2 we can buy an annexation agreement or void what
3 already exists. We know that. But -- so some of
4 those provisions in this annexation are a way,
09:45PM 5 when we sit down with staff, to get information so
6 that we can adjust that. So we are aware of those
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8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And then --
9 well, I'm not going to go through the entire
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11 talking about -- well, a lot of this I will share
12 with our staff. But I just would like to assess
13 a -- we're requesting that in here; correct?
14 Okay.
09:46PM 15 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER:
16 Basically, it's a financial package that is
17 similar to Kendall Marketplace in terms of the
18 financial vehicles that we're seeking approval
19 for. We need to do more work to determine the
09:46PM 20 amount of what that financial package is, but we
21 do want to get in your conceptual approval for the
22 use of the similar tools because that's what helps
23 in creating that.
24 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: So your SSA is just j
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1 specifically addressing commercial? That's it?
2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes.
3 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. Thank you.
4 And --
09:47PM 5 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think
6 the only thing I would say is, we may have a
7 dormant or a backup SSA --
8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And that's fine.
9 MR. CAMPBELL: -- so that the City could
09:47PM 10 go in and do something in a residential area if
11 the association wants it, but that's not a
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09:47PM 15 final comment would be, this really sounds like a
16 great development, and the water area and
17 everything is very promising; however, our Council
18 was burned recently about another great
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09:47PM 20 development that came in and suddenly came back to
21 us and said, rather than having this beautiful
22 beach front and these beautiful homes surrounding
23 it, we're going to change. We're going to make it
24 a little tiny area and, you know, and I would just
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1 hate to see that happen here.
2 MR. DANIELS: And I think one of the
3 things we're trying to establish, and this is a
4 little later down the road, but in the annexation
09:48PM 5 agreement is, we will agree to particular
6 architectural design guidelines that we'll make
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9 want to put my name on this and I don't want
09:48PM 10 something that's going to look like what you just
11 talked about. There's no doubt about that.
12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I don't
13 know which project you're talking about, but we
14 are coming forward with a project with a known
09 :48PM 15 market. Some projects came to you earlier, the
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17 developers struggle and they're trying to make it
18 still work. So that might happen, but we know
19 what we're dealing with marketwise now.
09:48PM 20 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Actually, that was
21 also, you know, a known thing at that time and
22 they did present it to us, and then it came to the
23 point where the City needed to negotiate for other
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1 with this development regarding the traffic signal
2 that we desperately need there.
3 MR. DANIELS: Right.
4 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And I know you are
09:49PM 5 working with the City. Those are just my thoughts
6 at this time.
7 MR. DANIELS: Thank you. Thanks.
8 MAYOR BURD: Alderman Golinski, did you
9 have a question?
10 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Oh, not really. I
11 just had a comment, though. Mr. Daniels, I've
12 seen this at the Plan Commission and I think it's
13 a great project. I do have a couple slight
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09:49PM 15 aspects of it, but I think it's commendable.
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17 of the surrounding landowners. I mean, this is
18 just a concept, more or less. I mean, I'd like to
19 see you continue that through the process. But
20 overall anyone who's gotten their tax bill
21 recently knows that we need these types of
22 developments. So --
23 MR. DANIELS: Thank you.
24 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other comments?
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1 Come on, guys. Well, and they need to -- no, I
2 know. Go ahead. Please do.
3 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: I want to talk
4 about the parks for a second. And on page 19 it
09:50PM 5 talks about school and park donations being
6 Exhibits 8, 9, but there wasn't anything included.
7 What are your plans for that?
8 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There is
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09:50PM 10 yet that we --
11 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: There aren't any.
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14 enough detail. As we move forward with the
09:50PM 15 preliminary, we will have more detail and we will
16 know better to be able to fill in that type of
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19 quick, though.
20 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: Sure.
21 MR. DANIELS: Something I did not
22 mention to everybody is, I would say that 90
23 percent of this entire site is in the Plano School
24 District. There is a small sliver on the
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1 northeast corner, it looks like a little
2 triangle -- I don't know, it's a couple hundred
3 feet, if that, that's in the actual Yorkville
4 School District. We've met with both of the
09:50PM 5 superintendents for Plano and Yorkville.
kville.
6 They're -- we've -- in fact, I think in your
7 handouts, you have an impact study on the number
8 of students, and we've gotten very favorable
9 responses from both Yorkville and Plano. We're
09:51PM 10 working with them, with their requests, and also
11 obviously with the Park Board as to what we'll do I
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14 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: What's on the docket
09:51PM 15 for --
16 MAYOR BURD: Excuse me. One thing I
17 would like to point out, and this is probably
18 because I'm a new mayor here and I haven't
19 controlled these kind of meetings before, but this
09:51PM 20 was really just a concept presentation. All of
21 these items and annexation agreements should
22 properly be undertaken starting at the EDC
23 committee and moving forward. This was not the
24 time for us to be doing that. And that's, I
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1 think, why this meeting has progressed at such a
2 slow pace here.
3 So if you wouldn't mind keeping
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6 it's supposed to be held, I would appreciate it
7 so that we could move along here. The hour is
8 getting late.
9 If you have something to say about
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11 question if you haven't had a chance to do so.
12 But as far as the specific annexation agreement,
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13 please hold that for the committee level. And I
14 apologize for letting this drag on so long. I'll
09:52PM 15 get better at this as we go along.
16 First, do you have --
17 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: No. I would just --
18 MAYOR BURD: Do either one of you
19 want -- do ou want to continue with anything?
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09:52PM 20 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: I think that for
21 the senior -- just to sum it up, if I can't ask my
22 questions that I'd like to about this, or I will,
23 I guess, when it comes back at committee if I'm
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1 I'm concerned about the lack of
2 parks in this, and from what it sounds like from
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09:52PM 5 bike trails.
6 MR. DANIELS: Uh -huh.
7 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: That's it.
8 Additionally, I think the density of both the
9 senior community and the Rob Roy Club are way too
09:52PM 10 dense. They don't match with our current land use
11 plan that we have, which has a great deal of this
12 development to be designated as suburban --
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13 suburban neighborhood with a density of 1.5 to
14 2.25 units per acre.
09:53PM 15 I do understand that there is some
16 trade -off with the commercial development coming
17 in along with these communities, but I don't want
18 the commercial development to be a tool to try and
19 parlay excessive housing or a community that is
09:53PM 20 going to be gated and shut out for the rest of
21 Yorkville concerning parks or other uses for the
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1 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Mr. Plocher had one.
2 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: Well, he did a
3 wonderful job of explaining it.
4 MAYOR BURD: You agree with what he
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7 that he stated.
8 MAYOR BURD: And that was an appropriate
9 comment.
09:53PM 10 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I just wanted to
11 apologize because previously I thought that we
12 were told when a concept plan comes to us to give
13 you our initial thoughts so you can go back to the
14 drawing board and share it with our staff. So I
09:54PM 15 do apologize, I guess, if I was at fault for
16 following what I thought was procedure.
17 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we're
18 taking everything you guys are all saying and
19 we're going to back to work on all this stuff
09:54PM 20 because this is stuff -- well, this is just --
21 you've all seen the global plan. That's what
22 we're working for tonight, but essentially we are
23 working with what, you know, is eventually going
24 to be there. So this is all -- this is all
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2 MAYOR BURD: But this will be moving out
3 to the development committee --
4 MR. DANIELS: Right.
09:54PM 5 MAYOR BURD: -- and that's where they
6 will be going through the annexation agreement
7 line by line and working out all the other -- so I
8 appreciate you being here tonight, and thank you
9 very much.
09:54PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Thank you all for having
11 us.
12 MAYOR BURD: We will need to move
13 forward. It's getting late already. I hope in
14 keeping with the time, if you have any citizens'
09:54PM 15 comments, would you please keep them short and
16 sweet. I would like to move forward into our --
17 oh, can I have a motion to close the public
18 hearing.
19 ALDERMAN LESLIE: So moved.
09:55PM 20 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Second.
21 MAYOR BURD: All in favor?
22 (Body of ayes.)
23 MAYOR BURD: All against?
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amendments [21 5:22 2:13 64:16 47:16, 61:8, 69:3 46:24, 47:20
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amenities [51- - 83:6 4:18, 5:12, 6:11, 64:5, 64:15, 55:2 briefly 11] - 22:4
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65:16 area [341 - 9:15, 44:23, 45:2, 45:5, beach [1] - 21:9, 36:11, 44:8, 72:3
amenity (4] - 10:19, 10:24, 45:7, 45:16, 82:22 44:20, 46:4 brother [3] -
48:14, 48:21, 21:14, 22:17, 46:11, 46:20, beaten [1] - bike [3] - 42:11, 38:15, 43:20,
49:6, 71:16 23:6, 24:24, 49:7, 52:18, 56:11 42:15, 88:5 70:23
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22:24 29:22, 32:4, 59:19, 60:1, 60:9, 54:8, 82:21, bill [4] - 6:23, 20:18, 49:20,
amount 1151- 35:13, 35:21, 61:2, 61:6, 61:12, 82:22 6:24 7:1 84:20 70:23
11:15, 24:3, 28:2, 36:21, 38:20, 63:9, 63:17, become (21- billion [1] - 61:4 brush [11- 48:20
29:22, 38:2, 41:9, 44:14, 63:19, 64:9, 29:17, 37:18 biology [1] - budget 11] -
40:11, 47:21, 44:16, 48:7, 48:8, 64:13, 71:12, bedroom [t] - 10:13 28:22
47:22, 49:9, 48:24, 54:7, 72:10, 80:13, 68:9 bit [1 1] - 14:4, budgeted [1] -
59:10, 61:3, 61:7, 54:12, 57:13, 81:15, 82:2, 82:5, bedrooms [2] - 16:18, 20:5, 28:20
71:8, 79:1, 81:20 58:1, 61:16, 67:8, 83:12, 85:8, 36:1, 68:9 23:12, 33:19, buffering [4] -
analyzing (1] - 72:1, 74:8, 74:11, 85:12 Beecher[] - 44:10, 46:18, 61:21, 61:23,
56:17 75:15, 82:10, audience [1] - 34:5, 35:2, 35:5, 48:6, 48:10, 66:4, 66:5
ANN [1] - 2:4 82:16, 82:24 39:14 42:18, 51:13, 55:21, 79:17 build [5] - 15:22,
annexation (11] areas [13] - August 141- 57:21, 59:4 Blackberry [1] - 54:1, 60:7, 66:2
- 33:3, 34:3, 14:21, 14:23, 7:21, 8:4, 8:8, behind [6] - 32:17 builder(5] -
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81:4, 83:4, 86:21, 21:2, 21:12, authority [2] - 61:19, 63:15, block 11] - 52:3 73:13, 75:12,
87:5, 87:12, 90:6 29:16, 31:5, 46:2, 30:14, 30:17 67:14 blown 121 - 77:13
annexed 121 - 48:13, 51:11, Aux [9) - 8:19, belongs (1] - 43:23, 75:2 builders 141 -
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annually (1] - aspects 11] - 23:3, 25:22, 32:3, beneficial [2) - BMPs [2] - 17:4, 73:23
37:13 84:15 32:7, 32:17 77:12 17:21 building [8] -
answer [51- asphalt [4] - available [3] - benefit [3] - board [1] - 89:14 52:2, 54:7, 61:19,
17:15, 19:14, 45:17, 46:8, 15:5, 24:20, 23:11, 40:15, Board [3] - 42:8, 73:14, 75:6,
33:22, 59:18, 47:22, 51:23 37:18 47:14 42:14, 86:11 75:13, 77:4
73:22 assess [1] - average (1] - benefits 14] - boat [21- 39:1, buildings 1141-
answers (1]- 81:12 68:1 20:1, 21:20, 72:11 35:17, 37:21,
41:12 assessments avid [1] - 38:15 79:23, 80:11 boats [1] - 72:8 41:8, 51:11,
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38:20 assist [11- 25:3 31:20, 80:16, 44:12, 60:7, Body [41- 6:20, 60:22, 62:1, 68:4,
apologize 141 - assisted [31- 81:6 60:10, 60:11, 7:3, 7:16, 90:22 68:5, 68:6, 73:15,
25:17, 87:14, 75:1, 75:3, 75:9 awful (1] - 45:21 60:13 borders (1) - 76:6, 78:18
89:11, 89:15 Associates [1] - ayes [4] - 6:20, BESCO [111 - 34:4 built [9] - 13:11,
appeal 11] - 37:3 6:7 7:3, 7:16, 90:22 2:3, 3:20, 7:20, Borders [1] - 35:20, 54:13,
application (1] - Association 1 28:24, 30:6, 64:21 55:11, 67:21,
33:1 - 38:18, 39:4 B 30:17, 30:22, bottom [1] - 9:12 67:23, 76:3,
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84:8, 84:24, 76:22 Clerk [11- 3:6 84:11, 89:9 18:6 [8] - 9:3, 9:10,
86:13, 86:16, changes [61- close [21- 59:6, comments [3] - component [1 i] 20:12, 24:15,
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89:8, 90:2, 90:5, 11:18, 55:5 closed I1] - 91:1 15:10, 35:9, 36:8, 26:17, 32:11
90:12, 90:21, changing ill - 70:17 commercial 124] 50:20, 50:24, conservation I41
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75:13 38:24, 39:19, 70:16, 82:1, 33:6 36:13
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1:9 codes [6] - 55:1, 74:12, 88:9, 65:14 25:5
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73:21, 76:2 Community z
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certain 1:17 2:13, 4:1, - 32:2 comp [1] - 15:4 56:16 27:18
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1:17, 8:5, 8::9 9 75:11, 78:9, 79:4, 17:3, 27:23, completed z -
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79:5, 79:7, 79:14, 29:19, 30:10, 10:21, 16:9 78:13 COOK [11- 5:19
10:2, 87:11 82:9, 83:23, 84:5 61:1, 66:18, completely [21- connect I2] - Cook [1] - 5:19
change [e] - City's [1] - 42:13 78:11, 83:14, 41:21, 49:4 46:18, 59:1 Copley [4l -
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core [11- 9:19 71:16, 76:1 6:4, 33:11, 39:24, density [7] - 1461 - 10:23, 13:9, - 63:10
corner [8] - 36:6, courts [21- 37:7 41:16, 42:6, 67:5, 67:24, 68:2, 17:7, 19:21, discuss [1] -
43:7, 43:8, 46:10, cover [11- 37:13 43:15, 43:19, 68:21, 69:4, 88:8, 20:11, 25:9, 79:2
63:2, 63:14, covers [11- 15:6 45:9, 46:1, 46:13, 88:13 26:14, 27:1, 27:3, discussed 11] -
63:23, 86:1 create [2] - 46:22, 49:12, department 11] - 32:14, 35:10, 49:20
Correct [5] - 50:10, 64:20 52:9, 52:20, 80:22 36:3, 36:6, 37:1, discussing 121 -
7:14, 41:23, 58:7, creating [21- 53:15, 53:20, Department [21- 37:9, 37:14, 31:5, 73:10
63:4, 63:7 50:11, 81:23 54:16, 55:8, 5:9, 25:13 37:23, 38:4, 40:6, discussion 12] -
correct [8] - creek [16] - 55:17, 55:20, depth [11- 50:17 40:12, 41:3, 41:6, 25:18, 39:12
24:8, 40:2, 48:9, 11:17, 12:18, 56:10, 57:8, 58:7, design 1 - 47:5, 47:12, discussions [11
1 54:15, 58:6, 13:6, 13:14, 58:13, 59:13, 16:18, 17:12, 48:22, 54:4, - 25:4
66:15, 74:17, 20:11, 20:17, 59:22, 60:14, 68:17, 68:19, 54:19, 55:3, distance ll]-
81:13 20:20, 24:14, 61:5, 61:10, 68:20, 83:6 55:16, 56:18, 59.3
correlate ry] - 25:22, 48:20, 61:20, 62:13, designated [21- 56:24, 68:2, 68:8, distances 11] -
47:15 51:7, 63:6, 63:8, 62:15, 62:18, 31:14, 88:12 68:18, 75:1, 58:19
corridor [31- 63:11, 63:24, 62:22, 63:4, 63:7, designed 121 - 76:10, 78:19, District [4] -
52:4, 56:18, 64:17 66:7, 66:12, 35:24, 73:16 82:16, 82:19, 27:17, 27:18,
56:20 Creek [201- 66:15, 66:21, designer [11- 82:20, 84:1, 85:24, 86:4
corridors [1l - 8:19, 9:5, 10:6, 66:24, 69:23, 76 88:12, 88:16, ditto [11- 89:6
26:3 20:9, 25:22, 32:5, 70:13, 70:18, desired [11 - 88:18, 90:3 docket 11l -
Cost 131 - 22:5, 32:8, 32:16, 70:21, 72:113 37:17 developmental 86:14
22:7, 37:13 32:17, 34:9, 73:5, 73:9, 74:19, desperately [1] - [1] - 26:10 document [2] -
COUNCIL111- 35:11, 36:12, 77:6, 77:23, 78:4, 84.2 developments 78 :1 78:12
1:9 42:17, 42:24, 79:13, 80:3, 83:2, detached [1] - [ 5 1- 19:9, 24:13, Don [1] - 5:8
Council [81- 47:7, 48:19, 84:3, 84:7, 84:23, 37:20 57:13, 75:21, donations 11] -
1:14, 1:17, 8:9, 48:23, 49:21, 85:18, 85:21, detail [2)- 84:22 85:5
8:16, 9:8, 25:2, 51:1, 64:6 88:6, 88:23, 85:14, 85:15 DHUSE [1] - 4:4 done [91 - 15:20,
65:7, 82:17 creeks [1] - 89:17, 90:4, detailed [2] - Dhuse [1] - 4:
[ ] 4 19:23, 36:24,
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10:14 dictated 1 -
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counties [11- CRICKET[1] - 33:14, 84:11 26:24 29:8 Diehl [21- 58:11, 65:17
9:19 5:2 data [1] - 26:9 54:20, 65:3 58:13 door 111- 55:6
country [3] - criteria (6) - dates [4] - 6:14, detention [9] - different [7] - dormant [11-
36:23, 38:7, 11:4, 12:4, 12:6, 7:18, 8:2, 43:4 38:20, 48:13, 46:2, 47:7, 48:13, 82,7
71:14 12:23, 13:3, 21:8 David 11] - 4:8 49 : 24, 50:1, 51:4, 50:6, 70:24, double [1] -
counts 121 - cross 11] - 56:23 day - lighted [11- 51:6, 51:8, 52:16, 78:10, 83:16 65:21
56:8, 58:23 cross - section 20:17 57:24 difficult 121 - doubt [5] -
county [21- [11- 56:23 days [1] - 72:8 determination 17:15, 42:8
dead 1 48:11, 72:12,
30:18, 32:18 crowd [11- ill 72:2 [11- 62:4 dig 131- 50:1, 72:18, 80:6,
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4:18, 5:6, 5:17, crowds [11- 21:15, 87:4, 81 dim [11- 8:22 down [161 - 13:4,
9:16, 9:24, 14:11, 45:1 88:11 determined 11] - dining [21- 37:5, 46:9, 47:6, 55:9
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16:10, 16:12, current [41- deals 111 - 80:7 34:17 24:11, 33:21 68:18, 70:14,
22:17, 22:18, 6:23, 59:6, 66:5, death [11- 56:11 developer [71- directly 191 - 71:2, 72:8, 79:11,
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- 16:19, 17:23, 87:18, 89:1, 89:4, 81:15, 82:2, 82:5, minus (5] - 6:2, 6:4, 6:6, 6:8, 27:14, 27:22,
19:4, 37:14, 89:8, 90:2, 90:5, 83:12, 85:8, 34:24, 35:12, 6:10, 7:12, 24:15, 28:4, 28:7, 28:13,
52:22, 52:23, 90:12, 90:21, 85:12 36:9, 43:8, 69:1 24:18, 25:13, 28:17, 28:19,
64:24 90:23 Members Ill - minute [l] - 12:9 25:17, 25:23, 29:13, 30:12,
Manager [i) - mayor [1] - 37:15 mission [i] - 33:11, 39:17, 30:20, 31:8,
4:12 86:18 members (3] - 9:12 39:24, 41:14, 31:10, 31:18,
Manhattan [2] - McGraw Ill - 9:9, 9:20, 37:10 mix ]2] - 15:17, 41:16, 42:3, 42:6, 32:13, 32:21,
20:8, 20:9 49:14 mention [1] - 75:5 43:15, 43:19, 53:12, 53:17
mapped It] - mean [211- 13:7, 85:22 modify 11) - 49:4 45:9, 46:1, 46:13, multistory (q -
14:10 31:5, 39:22, mentioned 15] - module (3] - 46:22, 49:12, 69:19
mapping [2)- 40:18, 45:2, 12:22, 18:15, 17:1, 19:21, 50:19 52:9, multiunit[1]-
22:17, 23:1 45:11, 45:12, 20:4, 20:5, 29:16 22 :10 52:20, 53:15, 35:16
market 13] - 45:21, 47:16, met [3] - 73:11, MOGLE [i] - 4:8 53:20, 54:11, municipal [11-
74:23, 83:15, 48:22, 51:21, 75:11, 86:4 Mogle Ill - 4:8 54:16 55:4, 55:8, 61:15
83:16 52:1, 54:18, MICHAEL Ill - Monarch [3] - 55:15, 55:17, Municipal [1] - �
Marketplace 115] 58:20, 66:17 2:13 75:18, 75:19, 55:18, 55:20, 29 :1
73:7, 74:5, 78:23, Michigan 55:24, 56:3, 56:6, municipalities
- 46:16, 47:4, 9 [ ] - 75:20 p
56:12, 56:21, 83:8, 84:17, 68:11 money [4] - 56:10, 56:15, [3] - 16:10, 17:3,
56:22, 57:14, 84:18 mid [5] - 10:9, 16:22, 18:9, 57:1, 57:5, 57:6, 27:19
59:1, 65:20, meandered [i] - 36:15, 41:18, 21:10, 23:4 57:8, 58:5, 58:7, MUNNS [14] -
79:12, 79:15, 20:18 68:6, 78:18 monitor p] - 58:13, 59:5, 2:5, 3:16, 6:17,
79:17, 79:21, means It] - 43:3 mid -rise [4] - 27:5 59:13, 59:22, 6:22, 7:6, 7:14,
80:4, 80:5, 81:17 meant [i] - 73:6 36:15, 41:18 monitoring [1] - 59:23, 60:3, 60:6, 8 :8, 65:8, 66:8,
marketwise Ill - measure pi - 68:6, 78:18 13:18 60:8, 60:11, 66:13, 66:17,
83:19 12:8 middle [3] - Montgomery [1] 60:12, 60:14, 66:22, 72:7,
MARTIN (1] - 4:2 measuring [2] - 21:13, 35:8, - 10:1 61:5, 61:10, 75:18
Martin [2] - 4:2, 13:18 63:22 Morris [3] - 61:20, 62:2, Munns 11] - 3:15
5:5 meet [8] - 11:4, midwest [i] - 22:14, 22:17, 62:10, 62:13, Music ill - 71:17
MARTY p) - 2:5 12:4, 18:12, 39:7 27:16 62:14, 62:15,
42:13, 53:6, 53:8, might ' masonry [i] - 9 1 most [s] - 13:10 62:16, 62:18, , 62:20, 62:22, N
41:10 54:24, 83:7 15:5, 15:17, 20:7, 13:24, 19:13,
massive [2] - MEETING (l] - 28:11, 29:14, 27:19, 34:233 63:3, 63:4, 63:5,
45:1, 52:4 1:8 29:19, 31:16, 73:23 63:7, 66:7, 66:12, name [4] - 9:1,
master 12] - meeting [12] - 33:21, 52 Most - 10:7 66:15, 66:21, 40:21, 75:14,
(]
\ 66:24, 67:19, 83:9
36:1, 68:9 1:14, 6:14, 7:18, 59:17, 63:18, mostly (l] - 54:6
masters 11] - 7:19, 8:2, 8:3, 73:19, 79:10, motion [i] - 69:6, 69:10, nationwide [i] -
54:9 8:7, 8:11, 37:5, 83:18 90:17 69:16, 69:21, 75:15
49:14, 87:1, 87:5 MIKA 4:10 69:23, 70:13, native [i] - 21:3
match pl - [ ] move [V] - 22:2, 70:18, 70:21, Natural Ill -
88:10 meetings [3] - Mika [i] - 4:10 32:23, 37:23, 72:11, 73:5, 73:9, 25:13
max [2] - 67:5, 57:9, 57:16, Mike [i] - 5:19 46:19, 47:12, 73:12, 74:19, natural [61-
69:4 86:19 mile [i] - 34:6 73:21, 85:14, 75:9, 75:20, 15:5, 49:23,
Max [i] - 49:14 meets (2) - 21:8, MILLER [15] - 87:7, 90:12, 76:11, 76:14, 64:10, 64:11,
maximum Ill - 52:23 4:6, 24:15, 24:18, 90:16, 90:24 76:18, 77:4, 77:6, 64:18, 64:21
71:13 member(2] - 25:13, 25:17, moved [2] - 77:7, 77;16, near[ : 24:14,
MAYOR 1481 - 37:22, 38:3 25:23, 39:17, 52:14, 90:19
77:23, 78:4, 25:21, 51:8, 64:6
2:2,3:1, 3:5, MEMBER [3e] - 41:14,56:3,
moves [q - 53:2 79:13, 80:3, 82:9, neaten [1] -
3:23, 4:14, 4:16, 4:18, 5:12, 6:11, 62:10,62:14, Moving [2] - 83:2, 84:3, 84:7, 48:21
4:21, 6:13,6:19, 41:20, 41:23, 62:16, 62:20, 35:9, 36:7 84:23, 85:18, need 1231 -
6:21, 7:2, 7:4, 43:13, 43:16, 63:3, 63:5 moving [5] -
44:23, 45:2, 45:5, Miller 5 4:6, 85:21, 88:6, 12:11, 14:22,
7:15, 7:17, 7:23, [ ] - 53:1, 57:14, 58:8,
I 88:23, 89:17, 18:23,21:21,
8:6, 8:10, 8:18, 45:7, 45:16, 39:15, 39:17, 86:23, 90:2 90:4, 90:10 27:5, 28:8, 28:9,
8:24, 23:21, 30:9, 46:11, 46:20, 56:4, 62:9 MR (1461 - 2:3, MS (411- 2:4, 32:7, 48:10, 53:6,
30:23, 31:22, 49:7, 52:18, million ill - 61:8 2:5, 2:8, 2:9, 2:10, 3:7, 3:9, 53:8, 57:13, 62:5,
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78:21, 78:22, north [12l - Oddly [11- 39:6 30:15, 69:7, Park [51- 20:23, 33:12, 36:18,
81:19, 84:2, 24:14, 33:8, 34:4, OF [31- 1:4, 1:8, 78:14 27:18, 42:7, 39:2, 39:10, 44:1,
84:21, 85:1, 34:9, 36:10, 1:13 ordinances [51- 42:14, 86:11 44:15, 44:24,
90:12 38:14, 40:7, 43:7, off -site Ill - 79:9 18:2, 19:10, 78:6, parking [12) - 47:11, 55:10,
needed [5] - 44:12, 46:18, offer p - 72:4 78:10, 79:4 37:22, 41:14, 55:13, 56:5,
20:19, 21:5, 47:10, 57:3 office Ill - 9:24 organizations 41:19, 44:4, 67:14, 68:13,
57:10, 75:17, north -south [11- officials 111 - [2] - 13:22, 14:1 44:19, 45:22, 70:10, 71:8,
83:23 34:9 19:11 Oswego [t1- 46:5, 47:2, 47:22, 71:22, 72:4,
needs 13] - northeast [2] - on- the - ground 59:12 48:5, 51:11, 73:11, 73:16,
37:17, 52:7, 74:2 43:7, 86:1 [1] - 17 :12 outcomes [1] - 70:12 73:19, 74:7,
negotiate p1- notes [31- once [2] - 12:11, 18:3 parks [61- 36:4, 74:20, 76:4,
44:3, 44:20, 29:10, 30:7, 15:20 outdoor[2] - 38:5, 85:4, 88:2, 77:10, 78:21,
47:18, 60:16, 31:16 one [34] - 7:6, 51:8, 51:11 88:4, 88:21 78:22
70:11, 80:10, nothing [2] - 7:11, 11:11, outreach [6] - Parks [11- 4:9 per 15] - 39:21,
83:23 65:24, 80:5 11:22, 15:8, 12:11, 15:11, parlay 11] - 40:2, 67:5, 68:22,
negotiated [21- notice 121- 17:15, 19:13, 15:23, 17:21, 88:19 88:14
79:18, 80:7 37:24, 68:24 27:8, 29:20, 32:4, 17:24, 19:22 part [31- 9:22, percent [12] -
negotiating It] - noticed [2] - 38:24, 39:24, outside Ill - 17:9, 38:18 14:12, 16:5, 21:7,
46:16 43:21, 68:23 46:10, 47:17, 63:12 part-time Ill- 24:1, 26:19, 38:1,
negotiations Ill notified Ill - 49:17, 49:19, overall 11] - 9:22 40:5, 40:10, 46:6,
- 42:7 7:11 54:3, 58:3, 58:9, 84:20 partially [11- 49:23, 75:3,
neighborhood Numberll] - 58:14, 74:4, overlaid Ill - 42:23 85:23
Ill - 88:13 74:4 75:16, 75:20, 26:9 participated [i] percentage [11-
neighbors 121- numberpil - 75:22, 76:4, 76:7, overlay [11- - 24:21 51:24
46:15, 62:5 10:3, 10:9, 10:11, 77:11, 80:24, 26:6 participating Ill perfect [l I - 74:6
nervous Ill - 12:19, 35:2, 44:1, 83:2, 87:18, 89:1 own [2] - 16:8, - 23:7 performance ill
33:19 46:5, 74:3, 75:17, One [61- 18:5, 26:9 particular [4] - - 71:20
nesters Ill - 85:9, 86:7 46:24, 56:3, owned [1] - 32:14, 55:11, perimeters Ill -
37:3 numbers [z] - 62:10, 72:11, 34:13 74:24 83:5 64:22
never [3] - 71:1, 71:2 86:16 owner[41- 5:17, particularly [1] - period It] - 24:8
33:12, 41:5, 48:2 numerous It] - one -story 121- 6:12, 47:9, 58:16 35:24 permeable [31-
new [el - 9:8, 77:11 76:4, 76:7 oxymoron Ill - partner [l I - 21:1, 31:7, 45:23
11:19, 12:4, 21:5, nutshell [1] - ones 13] - 19:15, 67:11 13:24 Petitioner h] -
22:19, 36:20, 38:9 78:7, 78:11 partners [11- 33:1
38:3, 86:18 onset [l] - 25:21 P 23:9 phonetic [4] -
News [i] - 5:13 O open [161- parts 11] - 54:2 4:23, 4:24, 5:2,
next [31- 28:22, 14:19 15:18, pass [31- 7:8, 24:21
P.1111 [�1- 1:16,
32:24, 57:23 18:12, 18:14, 8:14, 78:9 phonetic) [11 -
o'clock [11- 7:21, 8:3, 8:4, p [ 1 58:12
Next [�] - 4:21 26:13, 38:11, past � - 9:19
nice [31- 52:5, 70:20 39:11, 40:5, 8:8, 8:13, 8:17 path 121 - 64:2, picture [21-
66:2, 66:20 obvious Ill - 40:10, 42:4, pace Ill - 87:2 z 69:12, 69:23
34:23 package 64:7
NICHOLSON [1] 42:20, 71:20, 1 g I ] " paths Ill - 42:12 piece 171- 16:23,
42:8, 46:2,
- 5:16 Obviously 4 6:2, 4 16] - 72 :17, 79:5, 80:2 81:16, [21- pathway 1t] - 24:5, 26:11,
Nicholson Ill - , 20:2
12:23, open -ended [21 packet t 1: 51:2 34:17, 38:16,
52:24, 58:233,
5:16 - 79:5, 80:2 pavement [3] - 44:8, 67:15 �
- 6:24,
nightlll- 70:20 65:24 opened [l1- page 1 1 21:1, 51:10, piecing [l] -
nine 15] - 9:21, obviously 191- 9:23 12:24, 13:2, 51:22 22:12
11:3, 12:22, 13:2, 42:12, 50 :17, operations [l1- 57:11, 79:11, pavements [1] - pink 13] - 51:9,
33:19 54:24, 55:10, 37:14 79:19 85:4 45:23 51:21, 60:22
no -step p - 57:12, 57:21, opinions It] - PAGNOTTA [5] - pavers Ill - pipe 1i] - 20:17
74:11 64:15, 80:15, 78:2 6:8, 50:19, 60:6, 51:23 piped ill - 20:9
86:11 60:12, 62:2
noise 1�1- 59:7 occupancy 1i1 _ Opportunities pagnotta Izl - paving 1�1- pits [�] - 50:7
nominal [11- [l1- 31:10 51:18 place 141 - 10:10,
38:3 6:8, 50:19 pay [ ]
55:5 opposed [z1- a a - 37:10, 15:8, 21:17,
l , parcel [21-
nonpermeable occur [2] - 13:8 6:21, 49:11 37:12, 73:24 58:21
[21- 29:3, 29:5 17:14 33:16 options [21- 80:21 places [2] - 19:3,
occurring [1] - Pardon Ill -
nonpoint[3] - 18:17, 18:18 paying Ill - 39:7
11:7, 11:14, 21:9 16:16 order [l1- 11:5 60:8 77 :10 Plainfield Ill -
normally t] - occurs [z] - park [2] - 44:21,
y ordinance [51- people [ze] - 27:18
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Plan [4] - 8:20, pointer[i] - presentation [3] 9:24 29:3, 34:21, Q
10:6, 26:22, 46:21 - 8:19, 48:17, progressed [i] - 39:19
84:12 Police [2] - 4:3, 86:20 87:1 proposes [1] -
plan [37] - 10:21, 5:9 presentations project 135] - 76:9 quads [2] -
12:3, 12:12, police Ill - Ill - 16:14 5:15, 9:4, 12:2, proposing [3] - 69:20
12:13, 12:18, 20:24 presented [1] - 12:11, 14:9, 16:1, 24:13, 67:23, qualified (1) -
14:3, 14:8, 15:16, pollutants [1] - 27:10 16:24, 17:10, 76:24 20:15
15:19, 15:21, 11:9 preservation Ill 18:5, 18:10, Protect [8] - qualify Is] -
16:3, 16:9, 16:14, pollution (5) - - 18:17 19:17, 20:8, 14:8, 15:3, 23:10, 11:5, 11:19, 18:9,
16:17, 17:5, 11:7, 11:14, Preserve (1] - 20:22, 21:4, 21:8, 26:2, 26:12, 18:11, 21:10,
17:22, 18:6, 18:9, 11:15, 21:9, 30:3 27:17 22:5, 22:6, 22:7, 26:15 26:22, 21:16
18:14, 18:22, pollution -type preserve [1] - 22:16, 23:2, 27:24 quality [4] -
19:22, 21:17, [1] - 11:14 21:24 23:11 23:18, protect (2) - 11:17, 13:14,
26:12, 26:16, pond (2] - 49:11, preserved Ill - 23:20, 24:22, 10:18, 14:19 20:20, 67:13
26:18, 27:6, 33:6, 51:6 51:3 25:21, 26:2, protecting [4) - quarry [iI - 50:6
50:23, 52:12, ponds [3] - preserving [2) - 34:11, 40:16, 9:12, 12:17, quarterh] -
57:18, 60:19, 45:19, 52:5, 21:22, 26:13 53:1, 55:21, 12:21, 14:22 34:6
61:22, 75:11, 64:22 pretty (5] - 75:23, 76:19, protection Ill - questioned [1] -
77:21, 88:11, pool [1] - 37:6 39:20, 39:23, 83:13, 83:14, 61:18 25:9
89:12, 89:21 pops [1) - 29:15 44:8, 57:20, 84:13 Protection [1] - questioning Ill
Planned Ill - populated [il - 57:23, 66:20 Projected [1) - 11:2 - 53:17
33:5 50:16 prevent (2) - 56:8 proud [2) - questions [201 -
planned (2) - population Ill - 13:16, 64:23 projecting It] - 40:18, 40:20 23:21, 23:24,
37:2, 41:2 79:1 previously Ill - 56:18 provide [5] - 31:23, 33:21,
planner [2] - portion [5) - 89:11 projects [13) - 20:5, 22:14, 36:19, 38:10
5:22, 53:2 14:14, 15:15, prewired [l] - 11:5,11:8, 11:20, 23:16, 64:23, 38:12, 39:14,
planning [9] - 16:12, 22:16, 58:5 12:14, 13:23, 77 :14 53:10, 56:2, 62:8, j
10:12, 11:3, 35:8 primarily (2] - 14:5, 20:6, 22:15, provided [2] - 65:5, 65:7, 70:3,
21:14, 32:15, positioned Ill - 26:4, 68:14 24:19, 25:5, 26:7, 68:24 72:24, 77:2, 79:3,
35:18, 43:17, 59:20 principles [4] - 29:12, 83:15 provisions [5] - 87:4, 87:22,
53:24, 64:21, possibility (3] - 10:17, 16:19, promise [2] - 45:20, 80:18, 87:24
74:16 45:11, 53:15, 17:12, 17:17 35:21, 40:22 81:4, 81:7 quick [3)-
Plano [3) - 59:8 private [7[ - promising [2] - proximity [1[ - 36:17, 52:19,
85:23, 86:5, 86:9 possible [1] - 36:4, 36:23 38:6, 78:20, 82:17 59:6 85:19
plans [9] - 11:4, 50:16 39:1, 67:22, promote Ill - public [col - quickly Ill -
13:20, 15:4,17:3, possibly (4] - 67:24 72:2 32:24, 42:5, 38:13
26:10, 26:14, 39:3, 42:23, proactive [3] - proper [71- 42:20 43:10, quite (ej - 22:20,
47:15, 48:18, 49:21, 70:9 12:7, 12:20, 37:23, 42:15, 43:12, 71:20, 44:9, 52:5, 68:18,
85:7 pot(] - 18:9 13:17 59:2, 61:21, 72:17, 82:12, 78:8, 79:8, 79:16,
planting [1] - potential (5) - proactively [2) - 61:23, 74:9, 88:3, 90:17 80:10
21:3 12:14, 13:6, 13:7 11:24, 17:7 74:10 Public [4] - 4:5, quorum [2) -
plantings (il - 19:1, 67:9 problems [2) - properly [2] - 6:14, 7:19, 8:10 3:23, 8:3
20:19 potentially [3l - 13:7, 13:17 58:19, 86:22 PUD [3] - 33:63 quoted Ill -
Pledge [2) - 3 21:16, 36:22, procedure [11 -
properties (2] - 34:3, 78:1 71:11
3:4 67:7 89:16 47:8, 59:6 pulling [2] -
PLOCHER (5] - practices (4) - PROCEEDING property [t9] - 45:3, 72:9 R
2:9, 3:14, 86:14, 16:19, 17:23, S [1) - 1:13 6:11, 24:23, 25:1, purely [1) - 52:7
87:17, 89:2, 89:6 19:4, 64:24 process [4) - 33:7, 34:3, 34:16, purpose Ill -
Plocher [2] - 34:17, 38:17, R-4 6 67:5,
prairie (i] - 15:7 27:23, 34:3, 65:4, 37:7 69:2, 69::3
3:13, 89:1 predict Ill - 84:19 44:8, 44:10, 47:9, put [ill - 10:12, railroad (1) -
Plus Ill - 64:19 35:22 producing [1] - 57:4, 58:15, 15:7, 20:19, 21:1, 62:24
plus [5] - 34:24, preferli] - 73:15 26:2 58:16, 58:17, 40:21, 44:15,
35:12, 36:9, 43:7, 63:15, 70:11, 53:18, 69:11, rain [3] - 21:2,
preliminary (5l- product 29:23,29:24
69:1 25:11, 43:1, 52:6, 41:4, 46:7, 55:12 70:16, 79:24 75:11, 82:12, ranch [5) -
point(lo) - 71:6, 85:15 products [3] - proposals [4) - 83:9 35:22, [51-
15:24, 27:6, 28:5, present [3) - 41:11, 73:14, 13:13, 16:20, putting [4] -
28:10, 62:24, 10:14, 73:17, 78:16 17:9, 17:18 23:4, 40:13, 74:8, 77:14,
77:17
63:1, 65:23, 83:22 professional Ill propose [�] - 76:23, 78:23 ranch -style [q -
80:19, 83:23, 78:16
PRESENT(t] - - 38:21 35:22
86:17 2:1 program [l] - proposed [3) - ranches hl -
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range 141- Recreation [i] - 81:13 restricted [91- 60:6 Scott (l1- 5:7
17:14, 28:4, 4:9 requests (i1- 37:2, 73:4, 73:6, rooms Ili - 37:5 sea [21- 46:7,
28:10, 35:13 red [31- 42:10, 86:10 73:18, 74:1, 74:8, ROSE (t1- 2:4 47:2
ranging [11- 42:11, 56:7 require [11- 74:24, 76:2, 76:5 ROTH 121- 2:13, seating [21-
69:3 redevelopment 79:15 result [ 7:12 44:15, 51:12
rare 111- 32:10 Ili - 20:24 required 1l1- 10:10, 17:11 Route (71- 33:9, Second 121- j
rate [t1- 64:6 reduce 1l1- 62:4 results 12] - 34:4, 35:1, 35:3, 6:22, 90:20
rated 121- 32:3, 29:23 requirement [t1 12:8, 19:23 42:18, 47:13, second le] -
32:9 redundant[l] - - 53:7 retail [91- 50:20, 59:15 12:10, 15:10,
rather (41- 73:2, 7:13 requirements 50:21, 50:23, row [2] - 4:21, 15:22, 35:9,
74:2, 79:5, 82:21 REESE [11- 5:6 p1- 11:1, 11:19, 51:6, 51:13, 44:6 49:24, 85:4
rating (21- Reese (il - 5:6 41:22, 42:14, 59:21, 61:4, 72:4 Roy [321- 5:22, Secondly ill -
11:21, 11:22 reference Ill - 52:24, 53:8, 55:1 1 retailer [11- 72:3 6:10, 32:5, 32:8, 70:7
RAULSTON 12] - 69:9 requires [1] - retention 1 - 32:14, 33:17, Section 141 -
5:4, 42:3 referenced (11- 46:5 45:19 34:9, 35:11, 36:9, 11:6, 20:14, 21:3,
Raulston 121- 69:5 reserve 1l1- retirement hi - 36:11, 36:17, 21:8
5:4, 42:3 referring Ill - 37:15 54:14 38:5, 38:24, section [4] -
read [2] - 30:9, 30:24 reside Ill - return [1] - 39:19, 40:6, 41:3, 36:11, 40:9, 54:4,
74:15 refined Ill - 52:7 78:22 37:24 42:17, 42:21, 56:23
ready [t1- 75:15 regarding [2] - resident [141- returned Ill - 42:24, 43:1, 47:4, sediment 111 -
real 16] - 33:7, 79:3, 84:1 4:19, 4:23, 5:1, 38:2 47:6, 48:16, 64:16
38:13, 52:19, regards [21- 5:3, 5:4, 5:5, 5:6, rezoning [1] - 48:18, 48:23, see 1281- 8:22,
67:6, 71:17, 42:14, 52:22 5:7, 5:9, 5:17, 33:4 49:21, 51:1, 10:2, 10:17,
85:18 regulations [2] - 5:18, 29:21, ridge (11- 63:21 62:23, 64:6, 69:1, 21:23, 23:24,
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67:23, 74:6, 67 :16 residents 161 - rivers [1] - 9:13 runoff (3) - 61:23, 62:22,
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86:20 52:2, 62:11, 61:18, 65:23, 47:6, 68:19, 83:4 Rush 141- 57:14, 72:5, 83:1, 83:24,
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65:2 35:16, 36:14, 71:16, 72:2 speed [11- 72:8 74:22, 76:11, 70:4
services 11] - 37:20, 68:5, sound [5] - 59:8, spend [2] - 12:9, 83:18 suburban [2] -
29:5 68:16, 78:17 59:15, 61:18, 20:3 stone I1] - 57:19 88:12, 88:13
serving [1] - single- family (5) 66:4, 66:5 SPIES [11- 4:13 stop (1) - 57:18 success [1] -
9:18 - 35:16, 36:14, sounds [5] - Spies [1] - 4:13 stories [4] - 13:18
set (5] - 11:3, 37:20, 68:16, 65:15, 66:10, splits [1] - 34:10 39:22, 54:7, suddenly (11-
12:19, 27:15, 78:17 78:20, 82:15, spoken (t] - 77:10, 78:19 82:20
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15:11, 70:2 54:2, 59:2, 62:11, space [7] - 24:20, 79:3, story [18) - 71;23
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sewers [1 ] - 63:18, 63:20, 26:3, 26:13, 40:5, 81:12, 84:16, 53:13, 67:10, s [11- 86:5
11:12 63:22, 63:24, 40:10, 42:4 89;14 68:4, 68:12, supplemented
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share [2] - 37:18, 44:10, SPEARS [42] - standards [2] - straight [2] - supposed [1] -
81:11, 89:14 51:15 2:4, 3:22, 8:12, 18:12, 64:23 11:13, 60:21 87 : 6
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4:22 Ski 121 - 38:18, 24:10, 24:17, start [9] - 4:1, 11:8, 11:22, 31:9
SHEETZ [221 - 39:4 25:8, 25:15, 4:14, 15:19, 32:8, 21:15, 32:3, 32:9, surprised [1] -
4:20, 8:21, 9:2, ski (6] - 37:8, 25:19, 27:8, 33:24, 72:19, 32:16 39:9
24:4, 24:9, 25:7, 38:14, 38:21, 27:13, 27:21, 76:13, 80:17 stream -based surrounding [2]
27:12, 27:14, 39:3, 50:18, 28:1, 28:6, 28:12, Started [1l - [11- 21:15 - 82:22, 84:17
27;22, 28;4, 28;7, 71:15 28:15, 28:18, 76:14 streams 121 - surroundings
28:13, 28:17, skierll] - 38:16 28:23, 70:2, started (3) - 9:13, 11:16 [1] - 34:19
28:19, 29:13, skiers [2] - 70:15, 70:19, 9:16, 33:23, street 141 - Susan [1] - 4:10
30:12, 30:20, 71:19, 72:9 71:9, 72:22, 73:7, 75:10 46:17, 62:3, SUTCLIFF [4] -
31:8, 31:10, skiing (1] - 72:5 73:22, 76:8, start!ng [2] - 65:10, 65:22 2 :10, 3:18, 31:24,
31:18, 32:13, slides (1] - 9:11 76:13 76:16, 29:17 86:22 streets (2] - 32:19
32:21 slight [11- 84:13 76:20, 77:9, state [121 - 9:1, 11:11, 38:5 Sutcliff [1] - 3:17
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4:20, 9:3 55:5 79:14, 81:8, 30:21, 30:22, [21- 12:3, 14:6 sweet Ill 90:16
short [2] - 79:6, sliver [2] - 44:9, 81:24, 82:3, 82:8, 30:24, 31:2 31:3, struggle (1I -
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82:14, 83:20, 32:9, 49:24,
90:15 85:24 83:17 37:6
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59:4, 74:14 slope [3] - Spears [3) - States [2] - 39:51 86:8 58:4, 65:18
shown [1] - 68:5 44:13 62:10, 3:21, 7:10, 23:22 49:18 study [5] - synopsis [1] -
shut (1] - 88:20 62:20 special [21- station 11] - 56:17, 56:21, 36:17
side (5) - 9:24, slopes [1] - 63:3 40:17, 71:16 20:24 58:19, 65:17, system [2] -
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81:10 35:6, 46:4, 55:21, 24:22, 28:2, 41:7, 25:3, 26:1, 27:8, 61:15, 63:12,
signal [11- 84:1 60:2, 85:24 87:12 28 : 24 67:3, 89:19, talks 11] - 85:5
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