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City Council Minutes 2007 07-24-07 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE. ]KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS. HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 800 GAME FARM ROAD ON TUESDAY. JULY 24.2007. Mayor Burd called the meeting to order at 8:30 P.M and led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL Clerk Milschewski called the roll. Ward I Leslie Present Werderich Present Ward H Gohnski Present Plocher Present Ward III Munns Present Sutcliff Present Ward IV Besco Present Spears Present Also present: City Clerk Milschewski, City Treasurer Powell, Interim City Attorney Roth, Interim City Administrator Olson, Finance Director Mika, Director of Public Works Dhuse, Police Chief Martin, Police Lieutenant Schwartzkopf, Director of Park & Recreation Mogle, Community Development Director Miller, Public Relations Officer Spies and Human Resource Manager Kasper. QUORUM A quorum was established. INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS Mayor Burd asked the staff and guests to introduce themselves. She welcomed the guests and asked them to enter their names on the attendance sheet provided. AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA Alderman Munns asked that the monthly Treasurer's Report be placed on the Consent Agenda. Approved by a viva voce vote. Alderman Munn requested that the bill for Attorney Kramer be removed from the Bill List. Approved by a viva voce vote. Alderman Munns requested that Item #3 — Resolution Amending the Employee Manual regarding Verification of Employee Driver's License be approved with the changes recommended in the Committee of the Whole meeting. Approved by a viva voce vote. COMMITTEE MEETING DATES Public Works Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 7, 2007 City Hall Conference Room Economic Development Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, July 31, 2007 City Hall Council Chambers Administration Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 7, 2007 (�) City Hall Council Chambers Public Safety Committee 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, August 21, 2007 City of Yorkville Conference Room (Time to be adjusted to 6:00 p.m. if amendment to Governing Ordinance approve) PRESENTATIONS Aug Sable Watershed Plan Stephanie Sheetz with the Conservation Foundation made a presentation to the City Council regarding the Aux Sable Watershed Plan. The plan is a collaboration with the Aux Sable Creek The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Citv Council — July 24, 2007 — nage 2 Watershed Coalition to remediate and prevent degradation of the Aux Sable Creek watershed. Ms. Sheetz presented the following information: • The Conservation Foundation's and the Coalition's origins and purpose • Components of the Plan • Update and strengthen the plan — the IEPA requires watershed plans to address nine criteria in order to qualify for future funding; compile other existing plans into one "Green Infrastructure Plan" • Education & Outreach — contact landowners; conduct educational programs; facilitating model conservation designs; educate local government • Outcomes ■ Update plan and meet IEPA criteria ■ Watershed -wide open space plan ■ All land owners are contacted ■ Suggest ordinances ■ Have more conservation designs for new developments • Benefits ■ Further implementation of plan goals ■ Qualify for further IEPA funding ■ Increase property values ■ Compliment other local activities • Project Costs ■ Total project cost is $231,126.00 ■ Funding from various sources — IEPA, Grand Victoria Foundations; Kodak American Greenways, local government units, etc. Ms. Sheetz asked the City Council for support and funding for the project. Alderman Spears asked if the 11 % funding from local government was collective and Ms. Sheetz - indicated that it was and it was over a two year period. Alderman Spears asked if Director Miller worked with the Conservation Foundation on any projects and Director Miller stated he had and he explained that they have worked with the Protect Kendall Now Plan. Information from this plan was given to the City and inputted into the GIS system to help identify areas. Alderman Spears asked if any other local governments have committed to the funding and Ms. Sheetz stated that Kendall County, the Kendall County Forest Preserve District, Plainfield Park District and Morris have said they would commit but there has been nothing official yet. She indicated that the targeted range for funding was $2,500.00 to $3,500.00 for each of the two years. Alderman Besco stated that he attended an Illinois Municipal League (IML) seminar on infiltration and a tax on non - permeable surfaces and he asked Ms. Sheetz about this. She indicated that she was not that informed about this but that some areas have a water utilities tax and reduce the tax if water is conserved through the use of rain barrels and other methods. She stated that Kendall County could enact a county -wide ordinance for this. Alderman Sutcliff commented that the same things being done for the Aux Sable Creek should be considered for the Rob Roy Creek. There were no further questions or comments. PUBLIC HEARINGS Sexton Development Mayor Burd opened the public hearing for the Sexton Development, LLC, petitioner, who has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned Unit Development, and Concept PUD plan. The real property consists of approximately 272.186 acres, located on the north side of Illinois Route 34, east of Eldamain Road and west of Cannonball Trail, Yorkville, Illinois. Please see attached Report of Proceedings by Terri Grandchamp, C.S.R_ from Depo Court Reporting Service for the transcription of this portion of the public hearing Mayor Burd entertained a motion to close the public hearing. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman Golinski. Motion approved unanimously by a viva voce vote. The Minutes of the Reeular Meetine of the Citv Council — July 24. 2007 — Dage 3 CITIZEN COMMENTS Dan Nicholson, 32 Gawne Lane, expressed his concerns and disappointment with the curbs heights, street elevations and drainage on the streets under construction in the downtown area. He noted that the new curbs on Heustis Street are about 6" higher than the FS parking lot and that driveways do not slope to the new curbs. He wanted to know how the problem will be solved. He stated that according to the plans that were explained to him there will be a ditch created. He felt this was unacceptable and should be addressed before the road is paved. He suggested that if the current engineers are not smart enough to fur the problem they should be "thrown out" and �.. new engineers hired. He offered to meet with the aldermen to show them his concerns. Todd Milliron, 61 Cotswold Drive, distributed copies of his comments with attachments to the City Council (see attached). He began his comments with `Your Honor, my ethical aldermen and eunuch Besco ". Alderman Besco objected to Mr. Milliron's comment and asked Mayor Burd to have him removed from the meeting. Alderman Munns asked Mr. Milliron to refrain from personal comments. Mr. Milliron went on with his comments and began to ask Chief Martin questions. Mayor Burd asked him to please refrain from questioning the staff and just make a statement or comment. Alderman Leslie questioned if Mr. Milliron actually said "eunuch Besco" and Mayor Burd asked him not to repeat what Mr. Milliron said. Alderman Leslie stated that Mr. Milliron's comment was uncalled for, and accordingly Alderman Besco asked that he be removed from the meeting. He suggested that if Mr. Milliron had a problem with Alderman Besco he should talk to him in private. Alderman Golinski noted that he tolerated Mr. Milliron's comments two weeks ago but since then has put thought into this. He stated that the City Council is doing the best they can and he did not appreciate an alderman being singled out. Alderman Leslie agreed and asked if there was a motion on the floor to have Mr. Milliron removed from the meeting. Alderman Golinski moved and Alderman Leslie seconded the motion. Alderman Munns asked Attorney Roth if having someone removed from the meeting was legal. Attorney Roth stated that the rules of decorum are adopted and published by the City Council and are law. If it is the City Council's finding that the rules of decorum have been violated then the City Council has the power to terminate the public forum portion of a meeting or take additional steps as necessary. He stated that they may take the measures as suggested. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -6 Nays -1 Present -1 Spears -aye, Spears -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Gohnski -aye, Werderich -nay, Munns -aye, Plocher- present CONSENT AGENDA 1. Sale of 1991 Ford Thunderbird (Old DARE Car) — approval to sell car through sealed bid process (PS 2007 -14) 2. Request to Purchase Vehicles — Planned in FY 07/08 Budget (PS 2007 -15) a. 2008 Ford Explorer — approve purchase from Landmark Ford in an amount not to exceed $21,310.48, as presented b. Ford Crown Victoria — approve purchase from Landmark Ford in an amount not to exceed $20, 772.48, subject to receipt ofadditional capital revenue, as presented c. Dodge Charger — approve purchase in an amount not to exceed $19,747. 00, subject to receipt of additional capital revenue, as presented 3. Ordinance 2007 -52 - Amending City Code Regarding Solicitors, Hawkers & Itinerant Merchants - authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute (PS 2007 -20) 4. Monthly Treasurer's Report for May 2007 (ADM 2007 -48) Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. So moved by Alderman Munns; seconded by Alderman Golinski. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0 Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Golinski -aye PLAN COMMISSION /ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL No report. MINUTES FOR APPROVAL A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the City Council meeting of July 10, 2007; seconded by Alderman Besco. Motion approved by a viva voce vote. The Minutes of the Restular Meetin of the Ci Council - 1 - g tv Ju v 24, 2007 aaLye 4 A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the Committee of the Whole meetings of June 19, 2007 and July 10, 2007; seconded by Alderman Besco. Alderman Spears noted the following corrections to the June 19, 2007 Committee of the Whole meeting minutes: • Page 1 - Bill & Barb Dcttmcr from the Building Department should be referenced in the attendance section of the minutes • Page 3 - Army Fore of Engineers should be corrected to Army Corps of Engineers • Pagc 5 - second paragraph - should be corrected to say larger lots • Page 8 - 41 should be corrected to say 6:00 AM and in the first full paragraph Country Parkway should be corrected to Countryside Parkway • Page 9 - second paragraph - City Engineer Joe Wywrot should be corrected to Building Inspector Bill Dettmer • Page 10 - first paragraph - second line from last should be corrected from consent to present. Second paragraph - fifth line should be corrected from handle to panel and the ninth line should state no -step floor. • Page 11 - second line from top should be corrected to Mr. Dettmer • Page 13 - sixffi paragraph - line five should state "... Falls would make a study.... " • Tony Graph should be corrected to Tony Graff on pages 13 and 14. • Page 15 - under the Detailed Board Report it should be reflected that this was moved to the City Council agenda. • Page 16 - first paragraph - Beacher Road should be Beecher Road and Route 43 should be Route 34. Third paragraph - Route 21 should be Route 71. • Page 20 - fifth paragraph - concessions should be consensus. Alderman Spears asked that the motion be changed to reflect approved as corrected. Alderman Besco withdrew his second; Alderman Munns withdrew the motion to approve the minutes. A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the Committee of the Whole meetings of June 19, 2007 and July 10, 2007 as amended; seconded by Alderman Golinski. Motion approved by a viva voce vote. BILLS FOR APPROVAL A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the paying of the bills listed on the amended Detailed Board Report dated July 16, 2007 totaling the following amounts: checks in the amount of $732,972.12 (vendors); $240,363.01 (payroll period ending 7/7/07); for a total of $973,335.13; seconded by Alderman Golinski. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Aycs -8 Nays -0 Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Golinski -aye, Leslie -aye REPORTS MAYOR'S REPORT In -Town Road Program (Phase 2 Streets) - Change Orders Nos. 1 & 2 (EDC 2007 -28) Mayor Burd requested a motion to approve Change Order #2 for the 2007 In -Town Road Program in the amount of $27,610.00. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman Spears. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0 Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -ayc, Plocher -aye, Spears -ayc, Sutcliff -ayc CITY COUNCIL REPORT Ordinance 2007 -53 Amended and Restated Governing Ordinance (COW 2007 -12) Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve the amended and restated Governing Ordinance, United City of Yorkville addressing: ethical standards, elected officials, duties and responsibilities, meeting schedules and committee structure, as presented. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman Spears. The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Citv Council — July 24. 2007 — Dage 5 Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0 Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -ave, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye ATTORNEY'S REPORT No report. CITY CLERK'S REPORT No report. CITY TREASURER'S REPORT No report. CITY ADMIhIISTATOR'S REPORT Interim City Administrator Olson reported on the following: • He distributed his City Administrator information memo dated July 24, 2007 • The assessment center for the City Administrator recruitment was conducted the past Saturday • The vision planning process is almost complete and the consultant will be presenting the information to the City Council in the near future • The DAL conference is coming up in October and members of the Council need to contact the administration staff to make reservations • There was a meeting with the grant coordinator and the topic of using green standards on new municipal buildings FINANCE DIRECTOR'S REPORT Director Mika reported that the audit is underway and going well. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS REPORT In -Town Road Program Director Dhuse reported that he has spoken to Mr. Nicholson and will be meeting with him about his concerns with the curbs. He explained that the driveways on the streets are at various elevations so the road was designed to accommodate them. Clerk Milschewski commented that the new curb in front of her home was wonderful. CHIEF OF POLICE'S REPORT Chief Martin reported that the Police Department would be ready to hire two cadets in August and a Neighborhood Block Captain meeting is scheduled to be held at the Beecher Center. DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION'S REPORT Cannonball Ridge Park Director Mogle reported that the ribbon for Cannonball Ridge Park was held and was a very successful event. He stated that he received many positive comments. Hiding Spot Park Director Mogle gave an update on the Hiding Spot Park community build event. He stated that the old equipment has been removed to prepare the location for the new equipment. A sign has been posted explaining the project and showing the new plan. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR'S REPORT Plan Commission Director Miller reported that the Plan Commission Summit Meeting was a success and a second meeting has been planned for September to discuss transportation and traffic issues. He also reported that at the August 8, 2007 Plan Commission there will be a discussion about an advisory committee for updating the Comprehensive Plan. COMMUNITY RELATIONS OFFICER'S REPORT Mrs. Spies reported on the following: • The Chamber of Commerce will not be holding their annual Christmas event so the City was planning a new holiday event. • There will be a Theatre in the Park event on Saturday, July 28, 2007 at 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. at the Rivcrfront Park. It will be a free event put on by the Fox Valley Players. • City newsletters are due September 15, 2007. Anyone wishing to submit information should do so by August 20, 2007 COMMUNITY & LIAISON REPORT No report. i The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Citv Council — July 24. 2007 — naee 6 COMMITTEE REPORTS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT No report. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT No report. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT Ordinance 2007 -54 Prohibiting Left Turns at Route 47 and Hydraulic and Route 47 and River Road (PS 2007 -10) A motion was made by Alderman Spears to approve an ordinance amending Sections 6 -3 -6 of Chapter 3 (Traffic Schedules) of Title 6 (Motor Vehicles and Traffic) of the United City of Yorkville City Code; seconded by Alderman Golinski. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0 Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT Ordinance 2007 -55 Amending Sections 3 -3 -4 and 3 -3 -16 of Chapter 3 (Liquor Control) of Title 3 (Business and License Regulations) of the United City of Yorkville City Code (ADM 2007 -54) A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve an ordinance amending Sections 3 -3 -4 and 3 -3 -16 of Chapter 3 (Liquor Control) of Title 3 (Business and License Regulations) of the United City of Yorkville City Code; seconded by Alderman Spears. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays-0 Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye Resolution 2007 -42 Amending United City of Yorkville Employee Manual Regarding Verification of Employee Driver's Licenses (ADM 2007 -27) A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve a resolution amending United City of Yorkville Employee Manual regarding verification of employee driver's licenses; seconded by Alderman Leslie. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0 Plocher -aye, Spears -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Besco -aye, Leslie -aye, Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Munns -aye ADDITIONAL BUSINESS Committing funds to the In -Town Road Program Alderman Spears expressed her concern with a recent Beacon News headline regarding the dedication of a portion of retail tax to be used on the repair of City's streets. She stated that this was the first she heard of this and she asked Mayor Burd if the Council voted for this or was this just another Heather Geller error. Mayor Burd stated that Alderman Spears should have heard of this because it was on her website when she ran for office. She identified this funding as a way to improve the streets. Alderman Spears stated that she did not access the Mayor's website and that she thought the Mayor's whole campaign was based on open government and excellent communication with the City Council. She stated that she supported the streets being repaired however she was tired of being informed of things through the newspapers. She asked for a show of hands from the other members of the Council as to who else was aware of this proposal. A few Council members acknowledged knowing about the proposal and Alderman Spears stated that this was like history, only one or two aldermen have been informed. She did not feel only one or two should be privy to information. She stated that for the past nine years she has worked closely with Mayor Burd however "this is down the tubes at this time." She strongly recommended that this is corrected and addressed. Mayor Burd took exception to Alderman Spears' comments and stated that Alderman Spears clearly knew this was a priority in the election because they had discussed it. She noted that the School Superintendent Dr. Engler has come to the City to talk about the streets being a problem. The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Citv Council — July 24, 2007 — Wage 7 She explained that she, Director Dhuse, Assistant City Administrator Olson and Dr. Engler walked the streets to examine the problem. Mayor Burd stated that for Alderman Spears to say she was unaware of the problem and that Mayor Burd brought forth a solution to address the problem is out of line. She stated that it was unfortunate that it was presented as something that was already approved because she was planning to bring it to the Council. Alderman Spears stated that in her campaign she said a senior community center was needed. She asked Tony Scott from the Record Newspaper write an article that 25% of sales tax will be dedicated to a senior center. Mayor Burd stated that would fine if Alderman Spears discussed this with seniors and a reporter covers the story. Alderman Leslie commented that he felt that Alderman Spears took exception with the fact that in the past the major complaint was that there was not a unified approach to an issue. He stated that the Council was subjected to political grandstanding, misinformation or closed government and that Mayor Burd's platform was her opposition to this type of government. He felt that in going forward it is important that media should be addressed in a unified manner. Alderman Spears stated that she did not want to see what has happened in the past continue because those present have a promising future as a Council. She believed all the aldermen should be kept informed, either by telephone or email. She stated that she would like to know information regarding our City before it is published in any newspaper. Alderman Golinski stated he agreed with Alderman Spears that there is a lack of communication because this is not the first time that he has read about something in the newspaper that he knew nothing about. He stated that maybe certain aldermen are privy to information but he knew for sure certain Kendall County residents are privy to information because he has read stuff on their websites before he heard about it at the City. He agreed this Council is a good group and he would like to see them move forward with good, open communication. Mayor Burd stated that she was sorry that some of the Council took her proposal the way they did because it was not a hidden agenda of hers. She stated this information has been in the newspaper before, on her website, included on her published campaign information and discussed in open session. She did not give an interview with the press but attended a School Board meeting to discuss the city streets where she was asked by the School Board want she wanted to do about the situation. This story came from this meeting. She did not see anything inappropriate in what she did. She stated that she was sorry that the Council missed this information previously as she has mentioned over and over again that she hoped to identify this 25% to help repair the streets. She felt this was a more general situation than a senior center which she also supported. The City Council will have to determine if they want to commit to this or not. She stated that she has asked Mr. Olson to bring this to the Economic Development Committee. Alderman Besco commented that he has been on the Public Works Committee for six years and has never seen Dr. Engler come to a meeting to request the streets be addressed. He stated that it would be something to get better communication from the School District when updating the In- Town Road Program street list. He gave former Alderman Kot credit for developing the In -Town Road Program which the city is now seeing the fruits of his labor. He stated that he was contacted by a few of the other alderman asking if he heard something regarding the Mayor's proposal. He told them he had not and was directed to a website where the whole Montgomery boundary agreement was explained and he didn't even know Yorkville was talking about a Montgomery agreement. He stated that more openness and co- operation was needed on the Council. He noted that the alderman were not serving the city for personal gain but were donating their time toward a beautiful community. ( Mayor Burd stated that she did mention the city was entering into discussions on the boundary agreement and she suggested in an executive session that the lawsuit be dropped. Interim City Administrator Olson explained that the purpose of meeting with the School Board was not to introduce any plan of funding but was rather to discuss the conditions of streets. He also noted that the article was misleading. Alderman Besco stated that the School District should have come to a Public Works Committee to discuss this. If there is co- operation between the city and school district it should not be a big issue to have this placed on a Public Works Committee agenda so that it can be discussed and funding investigated. Alderman Spears noted that the additional business section of the agenda is covered under the governing ordinance and she suggested that the ordinance be followed. Alderman Plocher stated that this was his idea which he discussed with the Mayor and staff. It was still under investigation before being presented to the Council. He apologized that The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Citv Council — July 24. 2007 — nan 8 the proposal came out this way. He stated that he was meeting with Director Miller on July 26, 2007 at 4:00 to go over updates. He invited the Council to join them. Alderman Spears warned him about the open meeting act. - Alderman Munns stated that he does not read the Beacon News however he does not like hearing from residents about this type of article. He stated that the Council should not continue down the road where some people know about things and others do not. He stated that Alderman Golinski directed him to the website he spoke about and he was shocked to see a county resident's website with more information than he ever had as an alderman. He questioned the source of this individual's information and expressed his concern with this. Treasurer Powell commented that he supported the road program but cautioned the City Council to be cautious when committing a set percentage to any program. He suggested that the budgeted needs be met first. Fox Hill Medians Alderman Munns asked Director Miller if landscaping of the medians in Fox Hill has been researched. Director Miller stated that he was unaware of this but would look into. Subdivision Landscaping Alderman Leslie noted that developers are going with a wild flower coverage. He stated that the landscaping by his subdivision looks like weeds. He asked that developers be kept to a standard with this type of landscaping. Director Miller explained that the ordinance covering this has requirements for the seed mixture used however there is limited control as to which plants will thrive at a given location. Park Maintenance Fees Alderman Besco asked if the future maintenance fees for parks could be put on a Public Works Committee agenda. Director Mogle stated that a work schedule for the staff needs to be established so the staffs time and duties can be recorded better. This will take time to develop. Alderman Besco asked that this project be kept moving forward. EXECUTIVE SESSION Mayor Burd entertained a motion to into executive session for the purpose of discussing the purchase or lease of real property for the use of the public body. So moved by Alderman Golinski; seconded by Alderman Munns. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1 Spears -nay, Sutcliff -aye, Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Gohnski -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Plocher -aye The City Council entered into executive session after a ten minute break at 10:50 p.m. The City Council returned to regular session at 11:30 p.m. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Burd entertained a motion to adjourn. So moved by Alderman Leslie; seconded by Alderman Besco. Motion approved by a viva voce vote. Meeting adjourned at 11:30 P.M. Minutes submitted by: C' Jacquelyn Milschewski, City Clerk City of Yorkville, Illinois V I. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL MEETING July 24, 2007 PLEASE PRINT I i NAME: ADDRESS: a� P r l l I�CL. t� � 0 _ ���� � l cr�N�QJ/V m � l.! jai r1 � J`� 4 ( C� 4. a SIGNIN Your Honor, my ethical alderman and Enoch Besco, I have handed to your Chief of Police, the Mayor and your City Clerk additional Hamman Farms IEPA Annual reporting forms for reporting years of 1996, 1997,1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006, that were filled out in similar fashion as the three Hamman Farms IEPA reporting forms I presented to you at your last council meeting two weeks ago for reporting years 1999.2000 and 2001. Since Peoria Disposal owns 20% of the Fox Moraine landfill and that new ownership was an issue in the redo Northstar /Fox Moraine Annexation, Mr. Hamman is in violation of IEPA Reg. 830.106 and should be shut down. Chief Martin, where you on the criminal investigation of the packet of information that I gave you last week? (Pause) WAIT for ANSWER Thank you. Now I like to hand you all some new information obtained by the Freedom of Information act from the Yorkville City Clerk's office. This does not pertain specifically to Mr. Hamman, but you can use your own judgement and come to your own conclusion about these documents that I am presenting tonight and those presented two weeks ago. You will now understand why I have asked for an independent investigation and requested that the Kendall County State's attorney's office be bypassed for obvious reasons. Our law enforcement personnel are sworn to do their duty and are suppose to be A- political. They are not supposed to be an enforcement arm for any political regime in power or out of power. This is not Europe in the 1930's. Alderman Plocher seems to have law enforcement personnel who take an over active interest in his life. If it can happen to Joe Plocher, it can happen to any citizen in this town or county. Upon Mr. Plocher election on April 17, Sergeant Schwarzkopf took it upon himself to start his own renegade investigation of Mr. Plocher because the Voters in Ward 2 elected him. Chief Martin had to call Sergeant Schwarzkopf in his office on the afternoon of April 19 and give him a direct order to cease and desist his renegade investigation because it was not within his jurisdiction to do so. This is the first instance of political bias within the Yorkville Police department against Mr. Plocher. It starts in the upper ranks, as these officers are the ones that have been here the longest, apparently thinking they know what is best for the city. Since these individuals are in the Senior Command Structure this dogma is propagated to the lower ranks within the Yorkville Police Dept. Who knows maybe this behavior at the lower ranks is even rewarded by the brass within the YPD for going on political witch - hunts. Since Chief Martin showed some leadership, I commend him for doing so; another avenue. of attack on Mr. Plocher had to be found. That new avenue of political attack had to come from the county level and the Kendall County State's Attorney's office. Do I need to remind you who helped Eric Weis to get elected? Please see the FOI request I just received yesterday, this is something I have been working on since the April election. You will remember the Jeff McElroy "Sour Grapes" objection letter dated May 1, 2007. It was Faxed to the City Clerk's office at 13:57 PM on May 1, 2007. 1 remembered at that nights City Council Meeting, Chief Martin stating that the Kendall County State's Attorney office had asked for a copy of the 3-4 -2007 Plocher Police report. After eliminating any other Citizen Requests for this Plocher 3-4 -2007 Police report, I asked for WHEN Eric Weis asked for and received the 3-4 -2007 YPD Plocher report. As you can see, this 3-4 -07 Police report was requested on 4 -30- 2007 via an email, by Janet Stroup, who is the Office Manager and Personnel Secretary to Eric Weis in the Kendall County State's Attorney office. The time of Janet's Stroup's YPD Plocher report request was 11:24 AM on April 30th and it was made at the personnel direction of Eric Weis. Read that Email for yourself. I have not been able to confirm when the actual Fax was sent back from YPD to the Kendall County State's Attorney office as the Fax confirmation I got from the YPD is hand written, I do know the window of time between the request and the City receipt of the McElroy fax objection letter was roughly 26 hours. I do know that Jeffrey McElroy stated to the Beacon News that he received the 3-4 -2007 YPD 3-4 -07 Plocher report from a political supporter. It appears to me that political supporter is now Eric Weis. Could Eric Weis also have been the author of the McElroy objection letter that our own City Clerk took upon herself to litigate to prevent Mr. Plocher from taking his rightful seat on May 8th? You are looking at some legal fees tonight for this episode, use your own judgement and ask yourself is this politically motivated and will you defend our system of duly elected democratic government against this abuse of power? Now Mr. Plocher is having to defend himself again for what appears to be a minor bump in a private property parking lot and the full weight of the YPD and the State's attorney's office is being thrown at him. It appears he was on official city business and he also may not be the source of the alleged damage to the 1995 Buick owned by a Ms. Goldsmith from Plano. Confidentially there is an officer Goldsmith on the YPD who 1 believe also has an address in Plano. If this can happen to Arden Plocher it can happen to any citizen in this town. I abhor this unauthorized release of Critical personal data in this age of identity theft. We entrust this information to our law enforcement officials and give it freely when asked by law enforcement individuals to provide it and to have it thrown about freely and publicly by the one that has been entrusted is an abuse of power. That power is being abused for blatant political reasons. I question the real motive Mr. Plocher has been charged with this minor traffic incident on private property and if he is responsible at all as this whole affair could be a well- orchestrated conspiracy by our law enforcement community to sully Mr. Plocher good name. You should wonder who the alderman with no balls to sign his own name is. Who is the author of this anonymous, malicious and slanderous document that was put in your mailbox? It is someone that is setting amongst you now tonight. The person that needs to resign tonight is Joe Besco. He is only one of the few of you, who would have that necessary inside information about the Jack Jones incident referred to in the anonymous document that was put in your mail slot. Mr. Besco has shown a propensity for vicious political attack and for spewing misinformation with outright lies. We do not need anymore alderman like that; we have one to many now. Thank you, l:. Y 1 1 r:.Fdwiri C�:Bak + 'NI . er�R r• it` ectiori`'••-� - ;� °. - • • - - :111' Eii 'ro` `Protectla ' 'eri • • � - . - • ' ' ;:t�visib t: Lan olltlti tro : 2200.Ch rchIILRoad:` `,` , �: 4 .'• . .';' u � .`ti�; -, :,• :• :�''1:• fir+• ?r � ,, ,. ., pi' it ]g$ 927$':•;��. :�•: tr' • r.- 1 -' 1 +'I 1' .e n` t�initi 't`� Kendall 6un't :i;.I�PA IVo:'Og3 1 a2 y . !' - -_ .a' .'r •: : � .,.• _ 'tom• :{I '1 , - .A � •• IYi ♦ - _ ear �. 8akowskl ;;.• •�; - '- .� ' This :[ettec'i�•�to,futflll•}he�a�nnU �`' - _t.. 4 41. a .!�ppr$in�`tesiuirerii�n , �f:. thyabov� :r�#ere�[icetl:fa��lity': � . requl rigid; �- S: eon830106` bf ;flie�l�li�tois'itvlro`ctien�sl protection Ai:t:for iin - r ad;tui�fs' com st- ' ,' pe r!?4 h?... illiles:- ai�a. fa cil n -o ate at,. a 1. qty : h °aid >bbe p$ tl siaah th ou ul[mn�is of Stidri= 3C1;1`OBtieva (filled °' 1 TFiee sti alit .Is:o d Prrl?4,..�19' #� y, ayii�':tait r;,ory, ro rty on:tni 06 . , p trig Ma / lO ril'is utll.'tz�aid;th ism ■j[ � ) stl' :faclt C 'onst'tu es riti'�' ord'flan . _. - .t .j• - •en ,1 i i i i r. 2: ;The o n, �i:bn'wliich:the�cem' titi :facili4 fd:I.oC ted ertd;an as8`oiated' cr qty 9 a Y: = `:p�dperty oii wlitth' is tAm o t is,iised,'ie;prirtcipally.,end' ( i enti , voted =to: ;..9, y' ttie prbdUOti4n o,gric#ilfural L +�iWrie,: l' or othoiwlso - t -. .. ' - I pi. coiitrollQtl by.an� viieate. :Qr:gen4uk 6o .;of rton ' elcuitut l cohl 0 os ,,. p p . t' i mateHals; or d dpetatorof thp;0orr�pbsirig fait {li ls li'dVarn e►r ee pioy;. ' pa�ttrer}aharAfi dot, o in anyway: or;coriti'olledt :ari ;such . °: ,1 •.f bY. Y waste.'heia(ei:prF `a[i�Yatp sar►d:: ;< ' :f _ .. '. .. `f� cp G ne ated'b 'tlie'ca • c�in " II is a' •• liaci�at�g• �'itived:tia d7iii'ii ed a . riiuialt ; fertilJx+�rio�:a oil (tioner, =gn:isii' Adivallj : arrried;by the . porson:oparatlnq the' :cotnposti g t eiid :thrr.f(nishe co os i tnvt :•',. 5tored:at .tfie:co►riposting'.ife:far. g: period :brier tiiali` :1$ mriths`.prlo��to .(ts'' Iicai 'o" `slrinul f t - ;APP t! n:a ch U'citiridit(ane'r;• • • '•t:' . .. . r �dviiin�:�:' ¢�koGrski; �:�; : '' :; `' .. , - ..: .. - . • .: . . Februa `5,:. eae:. • - i?agt� • � {n:additloh;•tho�s :- ':. , .. ::,;.•. ''r. :�' . ite,meot�. t he; r �giii�d` Ibca�ian�s�anc laCd��for;s�ichr2i:faciht . -a... • • fi •• a{ • • - . , . - - all:composting�maf aM�i {..Ytii l' ..,,. �:, r ..:..... Y . ; p.� . C, • {jr � • >t � p. �iced`'rnvre,;t an'• 2��ifee4��foriii `tha;�riearest�po aple'.wafer:' g we h' —v upply: _ As placed:outside ttie'bau dgry'Jof:iti : 90� ear-f odolawbr.tin•:a p tlie the �. Y : f_, of i tloodproofed; wa ,: pfaced �it.teast it4; mile rIt�`:4ke:��ear�st.off ite: - eesideride andjhke were:not more. tt�an:Yer ; ccu�ied;iiori =fe end wifhi � 12' . o t ebo ,•, gh - resid�; s n'T I M e- f ii undarie of:tlie;s'ite on;th� +date:bf.a p liration;;aitici:ti►as ptaCe'd mo. that IS.^ flVe.feet above.th0 water:faf;[e� Tiie slte iceivd,approximateJy B1;63d:cu6iC:ya�d `- of ostiti dilri : - �•. Rip . 9; ,, ng . :. • - Ve ry. trul owst'ti; M. u; . Donald'J" Harrimaii;::'O�i�ihei' Iz 1. • i � C.�Jimll{I1�t��Ko/y�IVC� .�'' 1 - •1 . , j: - ._ .: r ; • _ ry:� ,. ,. ! ° :��:.1.� „i; - , • :1.� s,•. •L_'a' is ,. r ,.- - ,r FStefe o f Illiriois . WTI N Mar A.,Gade; Uirectdr 'kiM Chdtchh! Road; Sp lnjoeld IL 6z794.0276 . 093015502 1 iiutlmarr Faritiis' 'E') V E 621S: Rlo'/ 1 i r 05tva�o; iL = G4543 ; y AIM: Q'_8 97: IANDS"dA PE�IVIIAStt...0 �P;QST; FAC1laTY::. :1998'ANNUAl `REF.p 'T .An farmaandsrape`;wa.afe courpo6t fac liltyio�i `s1 .b' e ka ied ti "th 'f sitter oi'' ro ez owner on .vhich.the compost ng.matetia� i>;:used..: As:an owner °Ui opet�tb'r -% f 4 u'on -fat i ail scti e:%waste ' compost facitity you are. rrrquired•to subqu. an annuiil report upd r 35']fl(inois Administt`htii�� Codc. „ 830:I06(b�(2),Ro;the:llli * EnArodnieuto l Protectiaq genGy..'i'tjis,jieaf's ntiva� t ' Cf`' 1', 66 ►s.du', ` January 1, 199 ;tud.it s6a11 comer the'previou� calendar:year.,( . tiiiu; De�Cn>tticr 3.1 Please'coinplete.ttiis form: and returri'it tho:fopeviiin 'add>•oss; ,.• (ffinois EnyiranmenW Protection:ge Agency Bureau of. Utnd: #24 .. . , : r attrl ARM::Unit: °.:. _ • . ,, - •2200'Cht rchifl FAo `d' a 13ax ,19276 r . Spri gfieid;'llli00i6 927fi _ � � •• .. lf:you'havc'ariy'gitestlpns' p(ease'GOntaGt: the:BUr. of� and!i'Anr uW;Repor't ;and -.ManitpsE Ur It ase: answer, the fgf lowing'. statemeOt3 ,aAAh'iy;1ejate'to q i'; farm; -14c ity: 1 ' ,T_ he total voiume..oUmaterial - re' iveii for _composting tlurjng t ie 6alerid6r 5"143 a . ' cubic,yards 2. The'. total-'•valume of:compost'produced during'the' oaler�d r.:;Year C' cub' yards :;:.. " 3. . The total vaiilme of > cartnpost used..duri i'dth'e:'daiendar ear: pubia.yards y Pleaso continue Oh reverse .sideof form: I L' 53 243 i. :1.1'C >39 'Rev, OCt =96' :. Iri�tid Mariirlyd:lLbrr B.- Please didck� thei bilo ou, v�rin `° r. -.. u _ - g • - eq. �emsiNits�Wtl' "which., �a`i�com ��liaric�:. check- all:tnat � . . :( _ c e coitiipOSting-- fa4ilty`i opera !; 'the " :ftmet< on'' e o ` w}lich.tlte coin ostin mateial is u tilized a d ..Y t ., •P P,.'_. P S . , A ahe composting faa_1Ltycopstiiufes ao:moie'than'2 %u,of.the_ ,;..:: r4 a s •fotal'ac c - ..,a,e : _ ....._ P, P aE, ►,. cce ftiat tla A e a 'Slow:. a hi 'her'.per g _ _ -� ..... . :. �: ;,.,.. $.�5! ?�. Y g., . cenr�l e� for individuai siEes wh' 061b V` wnec ors e-ra I}�a =demonsti tei to`ttie A ena `t .the r $ . Y: site's soil: kiaraeteiisfid-o -' = r.cropnedds're - l/ 2 The property on W ch the cbmpQSf ' in R -fac ty :Is :located, aiicl ao !as$ociated Property 4!u f Y.. PP which ttie cbliipost . used principall 'and diligeetly deyoteci�:faCtbe.production : - <:. of agricil)tu . ... .ops`aild.,is `Ii¢t owned; leasei or otherwise_ cost olled,liy boy wasie �... . bauier or eneratorof * noiagricii� tiita in +` o B sr materia.ls;.and'the. pera -or of the _ „ = }•; . T .. p ... - : composting ficwll ; s noi:aaeu plpyee a rtii�r °st iire)fiolde n' n vtnth or contioiled:b a such' ' y' p ' " �' r i a way; cotlaected Y' y u y. writ, hau ge'gerator.. L t"M .s" ,..w , 1 - -L . . - All'c 0 '�:: g ene ' tcd- . _ - $ •Y.•_ ..,... : ptita$ ¢d:'�it inonii'_ aes:and 3 �• -. - �`� " r - Lt:. : !•iii::; •. tk: ,.'. ,:i. .:.4-'- - as inui6 fei-tilaer'o 'sbi cbpdi i:�..._ ,:. z , era e:c _lainil:fictua :farnrie is :t `e._- ` rsonc eratiri c > th000' tin. .. a = `5 _ -pos facility ,an : ; he_:fiais}ie i Co ti `t <is-»lit`sto ed a - the :com site '.:-. 13 >r ' ppsting t. foi`a er _ wniE' "er'aha 8' 'o r:',t' - CD P. - >4 "''1 ..,R>� piri to,� s app�ieation:as intilch,ferttCtzer;.ot soil :cdnditioner � - - . _ C Y.y L t 1 V - ' -1 a 4. coni ostin 'materia_i'.w laced - p, _ hto"re;tbs n 200.;fect' j6' th' eare'i. o'tfib r - -`: - 1 "we11: i!as_ 'dace 'Outside'fhe 'o F.- b unda f•:fhe., eau lain,or`oli a art the sitrt thaA s:flo - c�clp_ cl; was. laced t feast 4'm`le.from :. 6e Barest`. ( tti n =a resd, oc2itedou; tlbe. "same 'to , e as `tbe "facili aid there a e no marewthan 16 occupied;poifai residepces:Wi :1 mlc!o n aries:of-tae I on the date of application; afld'viias ` real►a►n S fcet the'vi�a er_tabie; _ Q.. f Comments l q::►y� j-,�' ii���� 1. � '`fir• - 1 << a t~• �i=: _ - AV`:j -'e h" - •j t.. I rt uncle r :r ' ofla that I ba` iso r� p�,. npliyeia�ainea #pd oyn.ramiliar;vi�iihilies into m :this''siid sll atiao . : f rm tiQn submfited :' h ed documen% -arid that based on'm ' • q try f ttiose;iiidividuplt uamdia(ely, asiblC;for obi @inin infoiiga(ign;1<�elic`ve ihei the stitxnittcd.information true acourata, and cprnPlete :C Am a4rarn that sherd arh`stgnl6ctlnt penalties for subinittipgYalsc infoi mation. idc dirig the posclbdity of & and `ilnprisotuncnt ' Name,(PrihtJtype) r�•V) ``! i !21I Qh Phone �'"S�y �,�j�. Signature Datt3:p.C' = 'c� J 9`q This eo 'au -- ' Ag cy is, thoiized;to require this infbrinatfoti. under- 35 Code 8.3br106 2 Pise16sur6 of -this info'rm_ation is required. `Failure tq do so'inaq,result m a ofvil penelty.gf riot to exceed 1:50,000 aild ari ucldidonul civil'perlalty i.: ...: , _,.: �,. of not to exceed S19. — . for each day:dUting:wfi ch Uia.violation:bccurs In addltlon,ifi z class A misdornosttior to submit false ip form a_ 66i uiidBr the Environm'en (al . ,ThlsTatni h been epprbueil by the f?orrns`Mnri_agoijierit Cciiier; �t L:r'' :G 3 ENVIIZC71 1tii EN7'A•� � ROTECTION* GENC - :Y- �. = ,., : = - '220oChurichili Roa L6279J -927E' - �t 11:'GaiieDirector �'$r - isso A .. 93 R'� �. 9' 275 Rte 71 p. O - N' F Z . Y LANDSC A PE A WSYE _COMPOST F14CIUTY , S 9 _ • 'A N ,r U • R N �• EPORT�:�... a'n owner'o� operator.of a' Oq- - farrp Latii3scn c �Nasta;Codi ` st.Fac lit' f `u are'rc uircd p _ , pp :-�. '`'' - ; �'• , i•: ,•:' _ :l to siibini to the Illinois Eavir--nmenta Protection' •� cu an a -Waal ; ;ul _ S. ,�Y n . report nder 35 Illinois Adininistta�.tvc �Code4�30.1Q6�b �r )(2 • ) 5 .. n Gii4fifm'L;aitdscape Waste.Compost Facility isit facility •'.;% ..•;.:�. :f•S .Y'• : ,':`. i':'''" _: _- at is o perated bf the faFTq or pro ett `gaivsicr on livhtctr tf c com osti `niatetial isused: Thy fl y. s f P. ,q • . annual report is dui lanuri `1, ?198 and t1 shat! cover the ` revious cult dar r �• a ' _..._; rY -,.. ,{ . :., p n yea . { aria ry. i the •_ F'lcasc eom lctc this form a�d� 'e P • _ _ r turn it to,.4 follaH►in ! address; ' t �s• • •<. - lL E viroitimental prole '�, ` U . Atl'O 4 - .� rte '� f �t A R 1021'lVort 'G }' • _ '•; _ h, read Avenue East 7 _ Q 6. 9,2 S ri' fie — ;F - '` : lf' u have an u 'stlo s ' case' •. y9 y q , 4 , ple contact'ibc gurm4i`o( Laird s Aunual Re ort jnd Man�fes(tlnit `x1217 85' Please answer the foi o - I wlug staff tali eats "as.tbey relate so our Qb= Earm fa01 I .1 7, _ ,f _' .j;' 1. Tie total t %olume of rnateriat ieee ved - - • for' comvastirig_ during tie calendar yesii' _ 1 - •' \1; , 1 . - Thc.fatal v6Wu ie of comvost - durid - the calendar 'ear: f. y - .- _'Club "r _ 3: 'I'he.tatat olunie of core ostu "se�d duriu •'t a d' a b Galen r !ear. bic s: rd P e t o`n iQU o - . n rcverse�side of . ta • - 3 - C 9 ` Rc Ko �97 ' • s -• :S .i_ -' ti• -'�'• - ",.;.•: - :' _ - ir` - r - B. - Plcase chei_;k tb - e following rcqu_ircmehts With which you ari in com Rance `check•all that Ap p l y).'." 1, The'composting facilrty:islbpc�atcd b 'the fa�iiicr' oa pio `crty:on.which the cone osttng ;- yy P.... _ , - P. material is utilized and thc`cotrt `i s'titt facilit� •. constitutes no more .thaa 296 f the' 7. propertys total acreage ; exccpf that tbts'Agcncy rna`y allow, a higher`pe�centage for - individual sites where tlic iiwrier;ot. operator has deniotistrated -io the A 't�e. she's soil characte isties`or crop heeds re�uirc a h her rate;: -:'' ' 2. The" ro ert 'otl'wliich the -eoni 'ostin :facili is lotted and an associated p ro p e r t y . . . _:....' :. >• on which tile .composl:is_ use d, is principally aad diligatly devoted toabe pi of agricuitural crops and is riot owned; leased or othciw_ jse zoatfollcd byan waste` haul ' `r ltumlc m osf mate al' :and thc `o `rato o •I r'nr generator of n 'nag icu a r p - s; a _ - com • ostin facil r is not 'T-• •.. - .:.�..,; :. -_ •.'r_ , ` y; an em to ` c ' artticl• 'shiireholcle or;iri aii wa `rinccted _ :' : .with or controlled b 'an such waste Y S. i � VVV 3:.Ail coinpust genetaled by.thc co ositri faciltt is a lied al agronomic tates`arid _ as mulch, fertilizer or soil conditioner on land actually` farmed by the person ope atiiig `.- -_ the cotiiposting facility, the finished composi'is riot stored at Ihe'compasting'site :..,. . for:a'period longer than IS months'prior to•its applica, 00 as'inul0 fertilizer, `or :Soil = coalitioner. - 1 = - . 4. AIE composting i itieiial tvas placed more'than 200 feet :fiom.tbe nearest potabic water . supply well, was placed iiutside ibe boundary of the 104yeai (loodplain a part of ; the site ih�it is [loodproofeii�: was placed - at least 114 mile from theaneares't. residence „. } : " {other than a residence located oh the saittc` ra a as tba facili add tbec z+re not. more' 'thar'_• 10 occupied nonfarm residences within 1/Z mile.of the bouadattes of the site - `on the date of application; and was plat cd more tlign 5 ; feet above tlir3':watei table'' _ •_ - - -_ _ . _ - ��_..` _ - _ _ -�• Vii; = ��; -:�, � Co mme n ts:: ti t' ts; : _ 1. i t ertify urider penalty of law that i ha►e pcisonagy'e :amirted >t Air'i familiiit. viith We sutxniittd in this ind .•.11 i doctrnents, aitd that baud on my inyuiry� o those individuils irumediaselr responsitilo for otitaintng xhi iii ram atlon, I believe thit - _. the iutintilted Iriformition it True acwrate and complete: I am Awsro Choi theii iie iigoific�innt peiW6s foraitxnittiiig false infor =�` matbn, indticGrig the possibility of ruie and tmprisohmen { Nail a - rint/t e D 1� - = _ _ �P YP G1� �1' . ' i�...�::��11� nLt'l' l'litiioe -,30� S• �S'�f `L , 7. -- _ �Signatur T}ate - .4bi Agency is authorized to rrgbhv this h4bffnstbn IS Min" is Coda B 6.194bX2} - DtscJ9ui it of this `- mfoitnation b txquited: Failure to'do so ma) icsulCiri s eivt7 E;erialty of aot to exceed TSO.000 and' additional civil Ixnslty' ;. of not'to exceed 510, 000 for each day iitiring afiicb the "�iolatlaa decors.' -In addi is a class's miscletneadpr id svbinit false information under the 6vimn Act: iiiis tbrm has betaapprovCdby ttte roims hfanagerncntYCcnitr :. q. i i i i L41TED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS i i � MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS taken at the meeting of the Ci Council for the United City of g y Yorkville, taken on fta=y 24, 2007, at the hour of I ' 7:00 p.m., before Teresa S. Grandchamp, C.S.R., at II� the City Council Chambers, Yorkville, Illinois. i " I D- 823807 REPO • COURT reporting service 1212 South Naper Boulevard Suite 119 -185 • Naperville, IL 60540 • 630 - 983 -0030 • Fax 630 - 299 -5153 www.depocourt.com 2 1 PRESENT: 2 MAYOR VALERIE BURD, Chairman, 3 MR. JOSEPH BESCO, Alderman, I 4 MS. ROSE ANN SPEARS, Alderwoman, j- 5 MR. MARTY MUNNS, Alderman, '1 6 MR. JASON LESLIE, Alderman, 7 MR. GARY GOLINSKI, Alderman, 8 MR. JOSEPH PLOCHER, Alderman, 9 MS. ROBYN SUTCLIFF, Alderwoman, 10 MR. WALLY WERDERICH, Alderman, 11 and 12 MR. MICHAEL M. ROTH, City Attorney. 13 - - - 14 15 16 - 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 I i 24 'I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 3 1 MAYOR BURD: This is a little longer, 2 but here we are back again. I'd like to have us 3 all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, please. I 4 (Pledge of Allegiance.) 08:28PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Can we have roll 6 call by the Clerk. 7 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie. 8 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Here. 9 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Werderich. 10 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: Here. 11 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Golinski. 12 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Here. 13 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Plocher. 14 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: Here. 15 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Munns. 16 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Here. - -J 17 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Sutcliff. 18 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: Here. 19 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Besco. 20 ALDERMAN BESCO: Here. 21 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears. 22 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Here. 23 MAYOR BURD: Okay. We have a quorum. 24 And can I have introduction of our guests, please. I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 4 1 And we'll start with the City staff. 2 MR. MARTIN: Harold Martin, Chief of 3 Police. 4 MR. DHUSE: Eric Dhuse, Director of J 5 Public Works. 6 MR. MILLER: Travis Miller, Community II 7 Development Director. 8 MR. MOGLE: David Mogle, Director of 9 Parks and Recreation. 10 MS. MIKA: Susan Mika, Finance Director. 11 MS. KASPER: Denise Kasper, Human 12 Resources Manager. 13 MS. SPIES: Glory Spies. 14 MAYOR BURD: And can we start with you? 15 MS. GILBERT: With me? 16 MAYOR BURD: Uh -huh. 17 MS. GILBERT: JoAnn Gilbert. 18 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible), County 19 resident. 20 MS. SHEETZ: Stephanie Sheetz. 21 MAYOR BURD: Next row, please. 22 MS. GRISWACK: Sharon Griswack i 23 (phonetic), resident. l' 24 MR. GRISWACK: Tom Griswack (phonetic), Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 5 1 resident. - 2 MR. CRICKET: J.D. Cricket (phonetic), 3 resident. I 4 MR. RAULSTON: Stan Raulston, resident. i 5 MR. DALTON: Martin Dalton, resident. 6 MR. REESE: John Reese, County resident. 7 MR. HARMON: Scott Harmon, resident. 8 MR. SCHWARTZKOPH: Don Schwartzkoph, I 9 Yorkville Police Department and resident. 10 MR. GRAFF: Tony Graff. I 11 MR. HAWKIS: Rob Hawkis, 102.1, WSPY. 12 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Heather Gillard, 13 (inaudible) News. 14 MR. KENNY: Bob Kenny, attorney for the 08:30PM 15 Sexton Development project. 16 MR. NICHOLSON: Dan Nicholson, business 17 owner and County resident. 18 MR. SAGATO: Dennis Sagato, resident. 19 MR. COOK: Mike Cook, engineer for 08:30PM 20 Sexton Development. 21 MR. CAMPBELL: Rolf Campbell, landscape 22 architect planner for Rob Roy. 23 MS. GILMORE: Judy Gilmore. 24 MR. GILMORE: Tom Gilmore. i Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i I 6 1 MR. EVANS: Collin Evans. 2 MR. WOODWARD: William Woodward, traffic 3 engineer, KLOA. 4 MR. DANIELS: Drew Daniels, Sexton 5 Development. 6 MR. DUFFY: Joseph Duffy, Rolf 7 Campbell & Associates. 8 MR. PAGNOTTA: Steve Pagnotta, director 9 of (inaudible) developers. i 08:30PM 10 MR. GOTTLIEB: Roy Gottlieb (inaudible) . 11 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible), property 12 owner. 13 MAYOR BURD: All right. Committee '! 14 meeting dates. Public Works Committee? Oh, 08:30PM 15 excuse me, amendments to the agenda. Do we have 16 any amendments to our agenda? 17 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Yes, we have the 18 treasury report on the consent agenda. 19 MAYOR BURD: Do I have -- all in favor? 20 (Body of ayes.) 21 MAYOR BURD: All opposed? 22 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Second, we have to, on 23 the current bill list approval, remove the Dan 24 Kramer invoice on page 3 for $3800 off the bill Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 7 1 list so we can approve the bill list. 2 MAYOR BURD: Okay. All in favor? 3 (Body of ayes.) i 4 MAYOR BURD: All against? I 08:31PM 5 Any other changes? No? Okay. 6 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Wait, wait, one more. I 7 On the -- on administration No. 3, the resolution 8 on the employee driver's license to pass it 9 according -- with the changes, amended changes 08:31PM 10 recommended by Alderwoman Spears about the i 11 administrator being notified, and one other. 12 MR. ROTH: And the elimination of the 13 redundant sentence. ;i 14 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Correct. 08:31PM 15 MAYOR BURD: Okay. All in favor? �I 16 (Body of ayes.) 17 MAYOR BURD: All against? 18 All right. Committee meeting dates. 19 Public Works Committee meeting. 08:32PM 20 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yes, your Honor, 7 21 p.m., August 7th, 2007, in the City Hall 22 conference room. 23 MAYOR BURD: Economic Development 24 Committee? Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 8 1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Yes, your Honor, two 2 meeting dates, July 31st for the reinstatement, 3 lack of quorum for the last meeting, also 7 p.m., 4 and 7 p.m., August 21st, 2007 here in the City i �08:32PM 5 Hall Chambers. 6 MAYOR BURD: The Administration 7 Committee meeting. i 8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: 7 p.m., August 7th, 9 City Hall Council Chambers. i 08:32PM 10 MAYOR BURD: And the Public Safety I 11 Committee meeting. 12 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Well, at this time 13 it's still 7 p.m., August 21st, 2007. However, if 14 we do pass the amended and restated governing 08:32PM 15 ordinance that is listed under item 1 of the City 16 Council report, then we will change that time to 6 17 p.m. 18 MAYOR BURD: Okay. We have a 19 presentation tonight, the Aux Sable Creek 20 Watershed Plan. 21 MS. SHEETZ: I don't know if we can 22 maybe dim the lights, if you can see that. Yeah, 23 that's great. Thank you. 24 MAYOR BURD: Hi, Stephanie. Would you Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 9 1 state your name, please. 2 MS. SHEETZ: Yes, I'm going to. I'm 3 Stephanie Sheetz of The Conservation Foundation. 4 I'm here to talk about a project that we have 08:33PM 5 going on in the Aux Sable Creek Watershed that I 1 6 wanted to bring to your attention and explain to 7 you and ask for your support. 8 I thought there are some new Council 9 members, so I'm not sure who is familiar with The 08:33PM 10 Conservation Foundation and who isn't, so I just 11 have two slides here to talk about who we are, and 12 the bottom line of our mission is about protecting 13 lands and watersheds, rivers and streams, and so 14 we are working to that end. 08:33PM 15 And we have been working in the area 16 since 1972. We started in DuPage County, but then i 17 about 10 years ago expanded into Kane, Kendall, 18 and Will Counties and have been serving those four 19 core counties for the past 10 years or so. And 08:34PM 20 we're supported by about 4,000 members and we have 21 nine employees that are full -time and a few 22 part -time. 23 And about a year ago we opened up a 24 program office in Kendall County on the west side Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 10 1 of Montgomery. Hopefully you all have had a 11 2 chance to come see the farm there. There are a 'I 3 number of events going on and we welcome you to 4 come out and take a look at it at any time. 7 08:34PM 5 So without further ado, I would like 6 to talk about the Aux Sable Creek Watershed Plan. f 7 Most of you are probably aware that there is a 8 coalition that has been active in the watershed 9 for a number of years now. In the mid '90's, kind 08:34PM 10 of as a result of the flooding that took place in 11 1 96, there were a number of watersheds that 12 undertook watershed planning and put together some 13 baseline information about the biology that's 1 14 present in some of those creeks, some of the i 08:34PM 15 species that are there and some of the sensitivity 16 of what we have there and also some guiding goals 17 about some principles that they would like to see 18 achieved in the watershed and how to protect the 19 character of the area given the changes that are 08:35PM 20 happening. I 21 But since that plan was completed in 22 the late '90 there has been a lot of change 23 happening, a lot of growth and development in the I 24 area, and there also has been a change to the -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 11 1 some requirements that the Illinois Environmental 2 Protection Agency has in terms of watershed 3 p lanning. They have come out with a set of nine I 4 criteria that they want watershed plans to meet in 08:35PM 5 order to qualify for funding for future projects. 6 And what we're talking about is Section 319 7 funding, which is for nonpoint source pollution 8 projects. We're talking about stream bank 9 restoration. We're talking about pollutants that 08:35PM 10 come off of driveways, off of rooftops, off of j 11 streets, that type of You know, one of 12 those is a no dumping in the sewers because it 13 will go straight to the river. That's all . 14 nonpoint source pollution -type activity. And that - i 08:35PM 15 pollution and that -- the amount of water that's I 'I1 16 coming into the streams has been recognized to 17 directly affect the quality of a creek. 18 So given those changes, given the 19 new requirements of the EPA to qualify for funding I 08:36PM 20 for future projects, and given that right now in 21 the watershed we have a Class A rating, the i 22 highest rating that a stream can get, it's one of he state f 23 about 10 in t , we want to be working 24 proactively for the efforts of the watershed as Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 12 1 things are changing. 2 So what this project includes is an 3 update of strengthening to the existing plan to 4 now meet the new criteria that are there, and, 08:36PM 5 really, the -- I' 11 go over some of those 6 criteria, but they're really about trying to make 7 what's happening in the watershed more proactive j i 8 and more action -based and measure those results. 9 But I'll spend just a minute talking about that. 08:36PM 10 And the second component of the I 11 project is education outreach. We need to, once 12 we complete a plan, be letting people know what 13 are the recommendations in that plan. It's going 14 to identify some potential projects. We want to 08:37PM 15 be working on trying to get some of those -- going 16 through those recommendations that are maybe 17 higher on the list in terms of protecting the 18 creek. And we hope what that plan should do is 19 set us up for a good number of years in the future 08:37PM 20 with activities that will be proactive in 21 protecting the watershed. 22 Now, I mentioned these nine 23 criteria, and I believe in your agenda packet you r 24 have kind of a three -page handout that goes over I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 13 1 some of the items that I'm talking about tonight. 2 The first page of that there are -- these nine 3 criteria are listed. I'm not going to go through 4 them, but what it comes down to is, if I could 08:37PM 5 summarize it, is identifying issues, existing 6 issues that are in the creek and any potential 7 problems. And when we say "potential," we mean 8 there are some known issues that occur as 9 development occurs in a watershed. And so those 08:37PM 10 are going to be identified because most of the 11 watershed is not built in right now, so we want to 12 be sure that as we're growing both unincorporated 13 and incorporated proposals are trying to do the 14 best that we can for the quality of the creek. i 08:38PM 15 So it's identifying those issues, f } 16 identifying ways to address those and prevent 17 problems and being proactive about that. But then 18 measuring success, monitoring that and measuring 19 it over time, and that's a big component that we 08:38PM 20 haven't seen in some of these plans. There are 21 some good guidelines, but these coalitions that 22 are grassroots organizations don't really know 23 what projects they should be doing or how should 24 they g be working most effectively to partner with • ice 630 Reporting Service Depo Court p g ( ) 983 -0030 I I 14 1 local government, other organizations, to make 2 sure that they're trying to do the best for the 3 watersheds. So this plan will help a lot more 4 with that and be a little bit more specific on 08:3BPM 5 those types of projects and recommendations. 6 The update and strengthening is also 7 going to include completing a green infrastructure 8 plan for the watershed. Through The Protect 9 Kendall Now project, which I think a lot of you 08:38PM 10 are familiar with, we mapped out the green I 11 infrastructure for Kendall County. Well, 70 12 percent of the watershed is in Kendall County. 13 Another 26 or so is in Grundy County, and then 14 there's a small portion that's in Will County. 08:39PM 15 So the watershed said -- the 16 coalition said, hey, that's great that you guys 17 are doing that, but we want to complete it for the 18 entire watershed because we want to make sure that ' making our best effort to protect our open 19 we're g p � 08:39PM 20 space and our green infrastructure that has 21 function in terms of floodplain areas of wetlands 22 as a good function that we need to be protecting i 23 those areas. And so we're going to finish that 24 for the watershed. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 15 1 And here is a listing of some of the 2 information. Basically the same approach that we 3 took with The Protect Kendall Now, in terms of 4 gathering information from comp plans, other 08:39PM 5 natural areas information that might be available, 6 land use covers to identify kind of forested areas i 7 or prairie remnants, trying to put that all into 8 one place and identify what it -- what makes up 9 the green infrastructure. 08 :39PM 10 The second component is the 11 education outreach, and there are several major 12 activities that we've identified. We have not 13 gone into a lot of specificity about this yet 1 14 because some of them are going -- some of the 08:40PM 15 activities in this portion will come directly from -I 16 some recommendations in the plan. So we're doing 17 a mix of what we think might be some good things 18 to do and then trying to leave it a little open to 19 be able to start working on implementing that plan I 08:40PM 20 once it's done. 21 The plan update itself should take 22 about a year. The second year we kind of build as i 23 the education outreach; although, we're certainly 24 doing much of that at this point as well. So • - 030 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 0 16 1 we're trying to do that throughout the project. 2 But it's going to entail contacting the landowners 3 according to that green infrastructure plan for 4 the rest of the watershed. PM 5 We did 70 percent oa•4 o p nt of the watershed 6 that's in Kendall County, the areas that fall 7 within some of the jurisdictions in Kendall 8 County. Those landowners who own land according 9 to that plan that was completed and endorsed by 08:40PM 10 the municipalities in the County, we've been doing 11 that contact. We will want to finish that for the 12 watershed into the Grundy County portion. a 13 We'll be doing educational A II 14 presentations, like I said, about the plan, about 08:4IPM 15 the recommendation, and trying to keep that top of 16 mind as things are occurring in the watershed. 17 We also plan to help to facilitate a 18 little bit more conservation design, more of the 19 principles of stormwater best management practices 08:4iPM 20 being incorporated in some of the proposals that 21 are coming forward. 22 We got some money from the Grand i 23 Victoria Foundation to help piece together this 24 project specifically for what we're calling a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 17 1 developer training module. 2 What we've been hearing from some of i 3 the municipalities is that plans are coming j 4 forward and they don't have the BMPs in them and 08:41PM 5 they don't know how to get those into the plan. 6 So we said, okay, well, we want to work 7 proactively with the development communities and 8 try to encourage some of those to be in the 9 proposals from the get -go. So that's part of this 08:41PM 10 project. I 11 And so hopefully that will result in 12 more on- the - ground conservation design principles i 13 being integrated. You know, again, it's a wide 14 range of activities that can occur. There is no 08:41PM 15 one answer. So that makes it difficult to j i 16 identify, but we think that there are more 17 activities and more principles that can be 18 incorporated into the proposals. So we'll be 19 working in that vein. 08:42PM 20 And finally just education and 21 outreach about some of the BMPs, that we fully 22 expect that the plan is going to recommend some 23 stormwater best management practices and we want 24 to be doing some education outreach about those so I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 18 1 that they're making their way into many of the 2 local ordinances. 3 Some of the outcomes, I want you to 4 understand exactly what we're expecting from this 08:42PM 5 proj ect . One will have an updated and kind of 6 compliant plan; although, we're not identified as I' 7 in violation of anything and that's not certainly I 8 the case at all, but what will happen is by having 9 this updated plan, we qualify for a pot of money 08:42PM 10 that right now any project in the watershed 11 wouldn't qualify for. So we want to make sure 12 that we can meet those standards to be open to 13 have access to that funding. 14 The watershed wide open space plan, 08:42PM 15 as I mentioned, contacting the landowners in the 16 rest of the watershed to gage interest and talk 17 about options for land preservation. There -- you 18 know, there is a whole gamut of options that 19 people have and we want landowners to know about 20 that. 21 We fully expect that the -- some of 22 the recommendations in the plan, while they won't 23 get specific about, you need to change your 24 ordinance to do this or that, they'll say, well, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 19 1 in identifying potential issues that could happen 2 in the watershed based on what we've seen happen 3 other places, they'll say, these types of 4 stormwater best management practices can help 08:43PM 5 address those issues. And so it's recommended l 6 that many of the communities that are in -- 7 growing into the watershed, that are located in 8 the watershed, consider incorporating those into 9 many of the developments that are doing their 08:43PM 10 ordinances. i 11 So we want the elected officials to 12 know there is always some question about, well, 13 what's the most effective one and which one should 14 we be doing? We want to be able to answer that by i 08:43PM 15 saying, these following ones are good for this 'I 16 watershed based on what we know and what we're 17 studying here with this project. So hopefully 18 it's a lot more concrete in terms of some actions 19 that we can be taking. 08:44PM 20 And finally we hope that through 21 that development training module and through the 22 education outreach and through having this plan 23 done, we'll end up getting more results on the 24 ground. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I I 20 1 Some of the benefits. I've listed a 2 lot of these in your packet as well. In the 3 interest of time, I won't spend a whole lot of I 4 time on them. But I mentioned this IEPA funding a _ 08:44PM 5 little bit and I've mentioned that they provide 6 funding for projects. And the type of projects 7 that we might be talking about might include a 8 project that we were working on in Manhattan where 9 the Manhattan Creek was piped and there had been a 08:44PM 10 lot of trouble with flooding, and when the 11 development across the creek came in, the village 12 worked with them and The Conservation Foundation 13 was involved in that, and while they did not get 14 Section 319 funding for it, it could have 08:44PM 15 qualified. 16 What they did was they took the 17 creek out of the pipe, they day- lighted it, 18 brought it back up to the ground, meandered it and 19 put a lot of needed plantings in there to deal 08:45PM 20 with the issues in the creek, with the quality and 21 with the flooding. So that's an example of a 22 project. 23 Another example is in Villa Park. 24 The police station did a redevelopment of their I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 21 1 site and they put in some permeable pavement and 2 some rain garden areas, I think more kind of 3 native planting, and they did get Section 319 i 4 funding for that. So that was a project where 08:45PM 5 they needed a new facility and they were able to , a 6 get funding through the IEPA. 7 The IEPA will fund up to 60 percent i 8 of a project if it meets the criteria of Section 9 319, the nonpoint source pollution. That's a big 08:45PM 10 chunk of money and we want to be able to qualify 11 for that. i 12 Say that there are areas of the 13 middle of Aux Sable, which I know is in your i 14 planning area, that are found to have some 08:45PM 15 stream -based erosion. Well, we want to deal with 16 that issue and we can potentially qualify for 17 funding by having this plan in place. 18 So those are some of the concrete 19 examples. We also know that there are long -term 08:46PM 20 benefits of dealing with some of the flooding 21 issues that come up and we need to be careful of 22 preserving our green infrastructure so that we 23 don't see that happening. Our wetlands have an G 24 important function. We want to preserve all of Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 22 1 those. 2 So I think I'll move on. We can 3 talk more about that if you'd like. 4 I'd like to finish by just briefly 08:46PM 5 talking about the project cost. We got a majority \/ 6 of the funding from the IEPA for this project, and 7 that is confirmed funding. The total project cost 8 over two years is about $230,000. Another good 9 chunk of that we got from the Grand Victoria 08:46PM 10 Foundation for that developer training module that 11 I talked about. The rest of it we're kind of 12 piecing together. 13 We've applied for a grant through 14 the Morris Community Foundation. They provide 08:46PM 15 funding for projects like this, and since, you i 16 know, a portion of the project is in the Grundy 17 County and Morris area, especially that mapping is 18 all in Grundy County, we felt it appropriate to I 19 try to tap those funds, and that's kind of a new I 08:47PM 20 cycle. So we don't quite know yet what's going to 21 happen with that funding, but we hope that it's 22 going to come through. 23 We've also tried to tap the Kodak I. 24 American Greenways Fund. They give funding for Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 23 1 green infrastructure mapping and we think that 2 this is an appropriate project to help with that. 3 So -- and then the Aux Sable Coalition. The 4 citizens are putting up some money. They have 08:47PM 5 been asked to help with that because they have 6 some investment in what's happening in this area 7 and they're participating. 8 And finally the investment of the 9 local government partners. Just like we did with 08:47PM 10 Protect Kendall Now, we're going around and I 11 saying, this project can benefit everybody and so I 12 we're asking everybody to chip in a little bit to 13 do that. 14 And here is a list of the local F. � 08:47PM 15 government units that I am going to that we've 16 been requesting to provide some of that funding. 17 So I'm here tonight to explain this 18 project and also to ask for your support and 19 hopefully the City would consider funding this 08:48PM 20 proj ect . 21 MAYOR BURD: Any questions? 22 Alderwoman Spears. 23 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Stephanie, I have a 24 couple of questions here. I see that funding 11 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 24 1 percent is for the local government units. Is 2 that collectively, the 26,500, or are you looking 3 for that amount from each unit? 4 MS. SHEETZ: That would be collectively. 08:48PM 5 We have estimated that we can piece that much 6 together. 7 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And this 8 would be over a two -year period; correct? 9 MS. SHEETZ: Yes. 08:48PM 10 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And then 11 also -- I would like to direct this to Travis. Do 12 you work with this foundation as far as the 13 developments that are proposing to come in up 'I 14 north near the creek? 08 :48PM 15 MR. MILLER: The Conservation 16 Foundation? 17 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right. I 18 MR. MILLER: Absolutely. They've been 19 involved in various projects. Stephanie has 08:48PM 20 always been available to staff. The Hudge advice 21 (phonetic), they have participated with us. A 22 specific project that comes to mind off the top of 23 my head is the property at the intersection of 126 24 and 71 that was annexed. There was a wooded area Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 25 1 on that property that was a concern of the City 2 Council at the time that it was annexed and 3 Stephanie has been gracious enough to assist us 4 through those discussions, and those are 08:49PM 5 continuing. And there are other projects as far 6 as that goes. 7 MS. SHEETZ: They kind of come and go. 8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Well, I think I 9 questioned the last time we had a development 08:49PM 10 before us and I asked if they received approval 11 from the IDNR and you said it was too preliminary 12 because it was just concept. 13 MR. MILLER: The Department of Natural 14 Resources? 08:49PM 15 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Yeah, we were 16 talking about that as well, and -- 17 MR. MILLER: I apologize. I don't 18 recall the specifics of that discussion. 19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. But are they 08:49PM 20 in the foundation -- The Conservation Foundation, 21 are they in on the onset of a project that is near 22 a creek, the Aux Sable Creek? 23 MR. MILLER: Well, we -- what The 24 Conservation Foundation did about a year ago, as Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 �I �I 26 1 Stephanie indicated, was worked for a couple of 2 years on producing the Protect Kendall Now project 3 (inaudible) and identified green space corridors ( ) g P 4 primarily along the Fox River, as well as the 08:50PM 5 tributary to the Fox River and other greenways 6 within Kendall County. Now, that is an overlay. 7 The information was provided to us as other 8 jurisdictions in Kendall County. The form of LISA 9 was overlaid with their own data. So as we looked 08:50PM 10 at developmental plans, we have that as another 11 piece of information to ensure that what the 12 Protect Kendall Now plan recommends for 13 preserving, maintaining as open space is 14 consistent with the development plans. oa.so PM 15 At the time that the Protect Kendall i 16 Now plan was drafted, Stephanie's group, The J 17 Conservation Foundation, had utilized its 18 comprehensive plan. So, yeah, I feel like since 19 I've been here, I think we're probably 90 percent I I 08:50PM 20 or better in terms of consistency, as far as what 21 the City envisioned for land use is, and what the i; 22 Protect Kendall Now Plan is in terms of what the 23 (inaudible). 24 In general, the details, as far as is Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I i I 27 1 when development occurs along those adjacent to 2 those green spaces, how stormwater is handled that 3 goes through those green spaces, how development I 4 abutting those green spaces is controlled and all 08:51PM 5 of those things, we consistently need to monitor. 6 But at this point, I can speak to that plan as 7 being (inaudible). 8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And, Stephanie, one 9 last question. Have any local governmental units 08:51PM 10 committed yet to you or have you just presented 11 this to us first? 12 MS. SHEETZ: Yes, we have had a couple. 13 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. 14 MS. SHEETZ: We haven't had any formal 08:51PM 15 agreements set up with any of them, but the city 16 of Morris has contributed, Kendall County, Kendall / 17 County Forest Preserve District have agreed to 18 contribute, and Plainfield Park District. So I 19 have been around to most of the municipalities. 08:51PM 20 It takes a while. 21 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right. 22 MS. SHEETZ: And I want to respect that 23 process, but we are slowly coming together just 24 like we did with Protect Kendall Now. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 28 1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Now, is there a 2 specific amount that you are going to request from 3 Yorkville? 4 MS. SHEETZ: I have a range at this 08:52PM 5 point -- i 6 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. 7 MS. SHEETZ: -- because it depends on 8 those grants. If they come through, then I need 9 less. If they don't come through, then I need 08:52PM 10 more. So my range at this point that I would hope I 11 that the City might consider is 2500 to 3500 -- 12 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. 13 MS. SHEETZ: -- each of the two years, 14 and I think -- i 08:52PM 15 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Each of the two 16 years? 17 MS. SHEETZ: Yes. 18 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. 19 MS. SHEETZ: And I think last time you 08:52PM 20 budgeted for it, so it's not something that just 21 comes up extra here. I think it would be in your 22 next budget, and that's fine. 23 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. Thank you. 24 ALDERMAN BESCO: Stephanie, a few years I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 29 1 back at the Illinois Municipal Conference there 2 was a seminar that I had gone to about 3 infiltration and the proposed nonpermeable -- they 4 were talking about -- I can't remember if it was a 08:52PM 5 state or a federal tax on nonpermeable services, 6 and they said that this is definitely something 7 that is going to come. I was wondering if you 8 knew any of the details on that. I couldn't 9 remember -- I've got to go back and look through 08:53PM 10 my notes, but I couldn't remember where that tax 11 was going and was any of that going to be used for 12 projects such as this. 13 MS. SHEETZ: Now, I don't know about 14 what you might be speaking about, but I guess the 08:53PM 15 first thing that pops into my head when you 16 mentioned a kind of tax for impermeable areas is 17 that stormwater utilities are starting to become 18 fairly used. And what they do is for an area -- 19 it's not coming to mind, but I believe there might 08:53PM 20 be one in the Chicago area. I don't remember 21 where. But they -- each resident is taxed on the 22 amount of impervious area that they have. And you j 23 can reduce that tax by using a rain barrel or 24 having a rain guard or something because you're Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 30 1 trying to use that water as a resource and keep it Y g p 2 from running off and contributing to flooding, 3 which is an economic impact, and pollution issues 4 and things like that. I don't know of any state 08:53PM 5 legislation. 6 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah, I can't remember. 7 I've got to go back and look at my notes, but I 8 know it was fairly detailed. 9 MAYOR BURD: I think I just read 08 :54PM 10 something not too long ago that that's coming 11 through. I didn't -- 12 MS. SHEETZ: What has happened is, what, 13 I think about two years ago now is that Kendall i 14 County has countywide stormwater authority, so 08:54PM 15 they could enact a countywide ordinance for 16 stormwater. 17 ALDERMAN BESCO: So that authority comes 18 from the federal government to the county or from 19 the -- 08:54PM 20 MS. SHEETZ : I think that comes from the i 21 state. 22 ALDERMAN BESCO: From the state. I 23 MAYOR BURD: I think what you're 24 referring to, though, was on the state level. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i i 31 1 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah, I couldn't 2 remember if it was the state -- they were talking 3 about state or federal, and that was my question. 4 And as to -- I seem to remember some of it that -- 08:54PM 5 I mean, they were discussing recharge areas and, 6 you know, the aquifers and the value of having 7 permeable -- 8 MS. SHEETZ: Right. 9 ALDERMAN BESCO: -- surfaces. 08:54PM 10 MS. SHEETZ: Opportunities to 11 infiltrate, yeah. 12 ALDERMAN BESCO: Sure, sure, absolutely. 13 And I was just curious as to where those funds 14 were. Were they designated or were they -- I 08:54PM 15 can't remember that. I'm going to have to go back 16 and check my notes. I thought you might just have 1 17 some information. 18 MS. SHEETZ: I can't confirm whether 19 there is any funding for that or not. I'm not 08:55PM 20 aware of that. 21 ALDERMAN BESCO: Okay. Thank you. 22 MAYOR BURD: Anyone else? Any other 23 questions? I 24 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: I just have a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 32 1 comment. It's unrelated. It's kind of a 2 coincidence that you're here this evening talking 3 about Aux Sable being an A -rated stream, and I 4 think one of the others that are in the area is 08:55PM 5 the Rob Roy Creek which we're going to hear from. 6 So I just want us all to keep in mind that the 7 same thing that we're doing for Aux Sable we need 8 to start looking at with Rob Roy Creek as an 9 A -rated stream in the state as well, which are 08:55PM 10 very rare. 11 The Conservation Foundation is not 12 working with that, is it? 13 MS. SHEETZ: We haven't been involved in j 14 this particular development or the Rob Roy. We've 08:55PM 15 worked on watershed planning for the Big Rock 16 Creek, which is a Class A stream for the 17 Blackberry Creek and the Aux Sable. Those are the 18 watersheds that we've been active in the county. j 19 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: Okay. Thank you. 08:56PM 20 MAYOR BURD : Thank you. 21 MS. SHEETZ: Thank you. Thanks for your 22 time. 23 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Let's move on to the 24 next public hearing. Sexton Development, LLC, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 33 1 Petitioner, has filed an application with the 2 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 3 Illinois, requesting annexation to the United City 4 of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1 5 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned 6 Unit Development and Concept PUD plan. 7 The real property consists of 8 approximately 272.186 acres, located on the north I 9 side of Illinois Route 34, east of Eldamain Road 10 and west of Cannonball Trail, Yorkville, Illinois. 11 MR. DANIELS: Good evening, everyone. I 12 see some familiar faces and some people I've never 13 seen before, so I'll introduce myself. I'm Drew 14 Daniels of Sexton Development. I'm here to .I 08:57PM 15 represent Sexton Development and my family on the 16 parcel you were just explaining, the parcel that 17 we like to call Rob Roy Falls. 18 Please forgive me if I fumble a 19 little bit, I'm a little nervous, but I have nine 08:57PM 20 wonderful consultants with me that can help me out 21 with any questions that you guys might direct 22 towards me that I can't answer. 23 So we'll just get started with some 24 of the components. Well, let's start with Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 34 1 actually the characteristics of the site. Again, 2 what we're here tonight for is we're working on 3 the annexation of the PUD process. The property i 4 borders the north side of Route 34. It will be 08:57PM 5 adjacent directly west of the future Beecher Road. 1 6 We're about a quarter mile east of Eldamain Road, 7 and we're about 272, give or take, acres zoned i 8 agricultural. The site is fairly flat and we do I i 9 have Rob Roy Creek running north -south through it, 08:58PM 10 almost splits the site. And basically we've been 11 working on this project for a long, long time. 12 I'd say well over five years. 13 My family has owned the farm for a 14 little over 30 years. We've had a terrific tenant 08:58PM 15 on the site who has taken great care of the 16 property, and, you know, we think that now is the 17 time to develop this piece of property. 18 Basically, taking all that into 19 account, taking into account the surroundings and 08:58PM 20 everything else that's going on in Yorkville, we 21 came up with three proposed -- well, basically 22 three components to the site. 23 The first and most obvious to I 24 everyone is the 130, plus or minus, acres of the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 35 1 commercial which fronts mainly on Route 34 and a 2 number on Beecher Road. Approximately 4,000 3 linear square feet of Route 34 is where the 4 commercial is located and about a thousand linear 08:59PM 5 feet along Beecher is commercial. The commercial 6 will be everything from large boxes to small 7 boutiques and a lifestyle center more towards the 8 middle, the lower portion of the site. 9 Moving on to our second component, 08:59PM 10 which would be our senior development, which as 11 you can see is directly west of the Rob Roy Creek. 12 It's, give or take, 75 acres, plus or minus. The 13 range of units that we're looking for in that area 14 are anywhere from 210 to 310 units. It will be an 08:59PM 15 age- targeted senior lifestyle living. What we're 16 looking for is single- family duplex and multiunit 17 buildings there. 18 What we are planning is basically -- 19 well, some of the developers that we've been 08:59PM 20 talking to have built two -story senior housing in 21 the Lake County area. So I can't promise or 22 predict that all these will be ranch -style homes, 23 but the idea of the senior home would basically -- I 24 it's not particularly designed for families, but Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 ' I i 36 1 it would have master bedrooms on the first level. 2 Within the Rob -- or the -- in the 3 senior development, we would have -- it would all 4 be private roads, private parks, and we would have 09:OOPM 5 a clubhouse, which is at the lower southeast 6 corner of the senior development over there. I 7 Moving on to the third and final 8 component. We have the -- what we like to call 9 the Rob Roy Club. That is 70, plus or minus, 09:OOPM 10 acres. It's located directly north of the main I 11 big box section of commercial east of Rob Roy 12 Creek. We are looking for somewhere between 298 { 13 and 416 units in here, which would consist of 14 single- family clusters, duplexes, townhouses, and i 09:O1PM 15 mid -rise dwellings. 16 Basically, I'd like to kind of give 17 you a quick synopsis of what the Rob Roy Club is 18 because a lot of people have had a lot of I 19 questions as to what this is. 09:O1PM 20 Here we go. This is a new and 21 unique concept for the Chicago area. It's a 22 combination of a potentially gated community, a 23 private country club, excluding the golf course, i 24 and an entry -fee community such as those done for Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I i 37 1 senior housing. This development, however, is not 2 age- restricted or targeted. It is planned to 3 appeal to active young adults and empty nesters. 4 The club facilities would include a clubhouse, a 09:O1PM 5 clubhouse with dining facilities, meeting rooms, 6 health club facilities, a swimming pool, tennis 7 courts, and all - purpose courts, with a usable lake 8 for fishing and water -ski activities. 9 The development will work by having 09:01PM 10 members pay an entry and initiation fee, which i 11 would vary based on the size of the dwelling they 12 choose. They would then pay assessments adjusted 13 annually to cover the remaining cost of 14 development, management, maintenance, operations, 09:02PM 15 taxes, and reserve for replacements. Members can 16 remain in their units or swap for the other units 17 as their needs change and units of the desired 18 size and type become available. I 19 Housing choices will include 09:02PM 20 single- family detached and attached housing in 21 units in three- to four -story elevator buildings 22 with enclosed parking. When a member elects to 23 move out of the development upon proper prior 24 notice, he or she is eligible for a return of 75 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 38 1 to 100 percent of their entry fee, which is an 2 amount to be determined, to be returned upon 3 occupancy by a new member. 4 And like the senior development, the 09:02PM 5 streets and the parks within the Rob Roy Club 6 would be private and as well as all the amenities 7 to the country club. 8 And -- well, I guess that's the 9 whole entire site in a nutshell. I know that 09:02PM 10 there is going to be lots of questions, but I 11 think what I'd like to do now is open it up for 12 some questions. I know that some of you may have 13 just heard me speak real quickly about the -- when 14 I said water -ski activities directly north of 09:03PM 15 there. My brother happens to be an avid 16 water -skier and so he's been looking for a piece 17 of property to do this on for a very, very long 18 time. He's a part of the Water -Ski Association. 19 He knows all the rules and regulations. And, I 09:03PM 20 anyway, that detention area is more than adequate i 21 in length to actually run a full professional ski 22 course on the lake. 23 And basically what we were hoping to 24 do is as one of the amenities to the Rob Roy Club Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 39 1 would have a private boat that would have the 2 ability to take people out on the lake and use the 3 ski facility and possibly host, you know, i 4 lower -level events for this Water -Ski Association 09:03PM 5 that's throughout the United States. 6 Oddly enough, there are very, very a I 7 few places in the entire midwest that can do this. 8 So it would be a definite -- an interesting 9 feature, and you'd be surprised as to how many 09:04PM 10 people that are into this and it's just not talked 11 about. So, I'd like to open everything up, I 12 though, for discussion and kind of go from there. i 13 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Do we have anybody 14 in the audience who has any questions for this i 09:04PM 15 gentleman? Mr. Miller. Would you identify I 16 yourself and -- 17 MR. MILLER: Todd Miller, County 18 resident. With all the commercial there and the 19 proposed senior housing and your Rob Roy Club, 09:04PM 20 that looks like a pretty dense land use. What is 21 approximately, you know, the units per acre? How 22 many -- I mean, if you're two stories up, that's a 23 pretty dense usage, isn't it? 24 MR. DANIELS: Each one of the uses, to I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 40 1 my knowledge, we have remained equal or under to 2 five units per acre. So, if that's correct, I 3 think -- right. And basically what we've been 4 able to do is we have been able to maintain 52 09:05PM 5 percent of open space between the senior 6 development and the Rob Roy Club over the -- j 7 everything north of the commercial. So -- here we I 8 go. Right. 9 Basically this section here and here 09:05PM 10 is a total of 52 percent open space. So I think 11 when -- I really do feel that the amount of water 12 features that we have and the type of development 9 13 we're putting in, it's unique to Yorkville. It's 14 not here yet and it's something that I think that 09:05PM 15 Yorkville could benefit from. 16 And I really think that this project 17 is going to have a special twist on it. It's 18 something that, I mean, I'm very proud of and my 19 consultants and I have been working on it forever, 09:06PM 20 and this is something I'm really going to be proud 21 to put my name on. It's not going to be 22 (inaudible), I can promise you that because that's 23 something I'm not all about. 24 And I'm sure that many of you don't Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 41 1 want to see that anymore. I think that some of 2 the things that we have planned for both the Rob 3 Roy Club and the senior development are what can 4 be considered a higher end product for sure that 09:06PM 5 you've never even seen in Yorkville. 1 6 Now, as for the senior development, 7 I know that we're talking to specific builders 8 right now that have done a lot of these buildings 9 that we're looking at in the Lake County area, and 09:06PM 10 it's a lot of masonry and a lot of -- they're 11 good- looking products. 12 I don't know if that answers your 13 question, but -- 14 MR. MILLER: Where is all the parking at 09:06PM 15 for all those units? 16 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, everything 17 that you see there has got an attached garage or 18 the mid -rise dwellings actually have -- is it 19 parking underneath? 09:07PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, it 21 will be completely within the zoning unit 22 requirements. I' 23 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Correct, I 24 yeah. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 42 1 MAYOR BURP: Gentleman in the back 2 first. 3 MR. RAULSTON: Stan Raulston, resident. - I 4 As far as the open space, how much of that is open 09:07PM 5 to the public? 1 6 MR. DANIELS: Well we are -- well I'm i 7 kind of in negotiations right now with the Park 8 Board on that. Obviously, what is difficult to 9 kind of see looking from even here, but -- well, 09:07PM 10 there is a lot of red lines on there, and what 11 those red lines are are the bike trails and the 12 walking paths. We're obviously doing everything i 13 that we can to -- or we will meet all the City's 14 requirements in regards to the Park Board in 09:07PM 15 making sure that we have all the proper bike 16 trails and everything that they request, I 17 everything along Rob Roy Creek, everything along 18 Beecher, and everything along Route 34. 19 The senior community will be gated. 09:07PM 20 So it will not be open to the public. And I 21 believe the same with the Rob Roy Club. 22 So we have talked about some type of I 23 way that the city could possibly partially use the I 24 clubhouse and the features of the Rob Roy Creek or Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 43 1 the Rob Roy Club, but it's very preliminary. We 2 don't know how, for the lake and everything else, 3 so we don't know if that means temporary hours or 4 weekend dates or what it will be, but we're still 09:08PM 5 working on that. 6 Well, the other thing is the upper 7 north -- northeast corner you can see, plus or 8 minus, eight acres in that corner there. Right 9 now we believe that's going to be used for or that 09:08PM 10 will be used for public use. So we're still 11 working on that, but I'm not sure what that will 12 be, but it will be public use. So -- 13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: This 14 water? 09:09PM 15 MR. DANIELS: Yes. I 16 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: You're i 17 planning on having events there. What kind of 18 volume, traffic? 19 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, that's 09:09PM 20 something that my brother, he's been working on. 21 You may have noticed that I actually said an 22 entry -level or something along those lines event, 23 not a full -blown circuit event or whatever they 24 call them because it's true, that would bring in a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 44 1 number of people. If it did take off well and 2 it's something that the City liked, I'm sure that 3 we would be able to negotiate something with the 4 commercial developer for the parking along the -- 09:09PM 5 inside the -- where the commercial would be. But 6 I can tell you that you will see a row of trees 7 directly behind the commercial. We're looking at 8 a pretty big piece of property here, and that's 9 not just a little sliver of land. That's quite a 09:09PM 10 bit of property. We're going to have a good size 11 berm there. And on the back of that berm, 12 basically the north side of that berm, what we're i 13 hoping to do is have a -- I forget the exact slope 14 we're looking for, but an area where we can 09:1OPM 15 actually put seating of people along that entire 16 area right there to watch these events if that's 17 what eventually happens. 18 So we do think that we can handle 19 the crowd. When it comes to parking, if it was a I 09:1OPM 20 big enough event, we figure we'd have to negotiate 21 with the developer of the commercial to park in 22 the commercial. 23 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: 3,000 to 24 5,000 people come to these events. We're not Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 45 1 talking about massive crowds. 2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I mean, 3 that's a fairly major event if you're pulling 3- 4 to 5,000. 09:IOPM 5 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: 3,000 to 6 5,000. i 7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: That's 8 high -end. 9 MR. DANIELS: We'll figure out what can 09:10PM 10 and what won't work there, so -- but, I don't 11 know. I mean, there's definitely possibility for 12 concessions and everything else. I mean, it's too 13 early to find out. g 1 14 MAYOR BURD: Does anybody else have a 09:11PM 15 question? 16 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: It just 17 appears that there is a lot of concrete, asphalt 18 and rooftops there. And is that why we have all 19 these retention ponds is because there is no 09:11PM 20 provisions there or that's the provisions for the 21 runoff or -- I mean, it just seems like an awful 22 dense usage. And is it like the parking lot is 23 going to have some of these permeable pavements 24 you were talking about or -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 46 1 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we've 2 looked at a couple different areas. Obviously 3 each -- depending on the end user for the 4 commercial, each certain big box or small box 09 :11PM 5 requires a certain number of parking. Obviously 6 you're not looking at a 100 percent finished i 7 product here. We are not hoping to have a sea of 8 asphalt out there. We're going to try our best to 9 break it up. But, actually, if we could take down 09:11PM 10 the one in the corner. That's great. 11 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: The great 12 commercial site. 13 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, right. Basically 14 it's a little tough to see, but we have worked 09:12PM 15 very hard with the City and our neighbors to the 16 east, the Kendall Marketplace, on negotiating and 17 working this -- there is a street that is actually 18 going to connect. It's just a little bit north of 19 the -- actually, if you could move it out. l 09:12PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'll be 21 your pointer. 22 MR. DANIELS: There we go. That's it. 23 And basically this road is going to do a couple 24 things. One, it's definitely going to break up Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 47 1 the site. But more importantly -- the site is in 2 the sea of parking which is what you're talking 3 about. But more importantly, it is going to allow 4 Kendall Marketplace users to enter the Rob Roy 09:12PM 5 Falls commercial development, and, actually, that 6 road continues all the way down across Rob Roy 7 Creek and eventually will go into two different 8 properties. We've got -- there is another 9 property owner just to the west and then there is 09:13PM 10 the Cobblestone north. 11 What that will allow people to do is 12 to be able to move from development to development 13 without having to go onto Route 34. So there is a 14 lot of benefit there. We've worked really hard to i I 09:13PM 15 make sure that these land plans correlate as best 16 they can between -- I mean, everything has got to 17 flow here, and that was one of our major -- one of 18 the toughest things we've had to negotiate was 19 just to get this to work through there. 09:13PM 20 I think it will help break it up, 21 but when it comes to the amount of water on the 22 site and the amount of asphalt, the parking spaces 23 are dictated by the end user. I 24 Those boxes, the way that they're Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 48 1 exactly laid out, it's more than likely it will 2 never be laid out exactly like that. Depending on 3 the user, they may want to tweak it to the right a 4 little or to the left a little and that will 09:13PM 5 actually change up the way the parking is a little 6 bit. But essentially hat we're trying to show Y Y g i 7 here is that this is what the area will be. 8 This area, this 130 acres, will be I 9 commercial. And it is correct, we have a little 09:14PM 10 bit more stormwater than we need on the site. 11 There's no doubt about that. But what we have 12 decided to do is instead of just making 10 I 13 different little detention areas, we've done our 14 best to make it an amenity. And I think it's 09:14PM 15 something that -- it will be clearly seen from the 16 Rob Roy Club and also, you know, the earlier J 17 presentation. 18 We do have plans with the Rob Roy 19 Creek to actually go through conservation of the 09:14PM 20 creek, clear out all of the brush underneath and 21 really neaten it up to make it an amenity along 22 the -- I mean, for both the senior development and 23 the Rob Roy Creek. 24 The area that you see there in green Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 49 1 is the floodplain. So it's actually -- we got 2 very lucky. It's very tight. But it's -- it is 3 something that we're going to be able to 4 completely modify and really enhance. That 09:14PM 5 will -- I think is really going to make it an 6 amenity. 7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There's 8 just a lot of runoff there, and, I don't know, is 9 there an amount of -- enough filtration there to I 09:15PM 10 filter that water where those will actually be 11 living lakes as opposed to a sewer pond? 12 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, it's funny i , I 13 you would say that. I just got -- I just had a 14 meeting with the Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation. 09:15PM 15 I don't know if any of you know who that 16 foundation is, but it is a -- it is a conservation �. 17 foundation that is one of the largest in the 18 entire United States. They have unbelievable 19 facilities. And one of the things that we 09:15PM 20 discussed is two things. I brought to their 21 attention the Rob Roy Creek, about them possibly 22 helping fund and /or give us some insight as to how 23 to bring that back up to its 100 percent natural i 24 state, and the second was for the detention Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 50 1 because the detention is -- you don't just dig a 2 hole and fill the water in it because that's not 3 going to -- that's not going to be what we're 4 looking to do. 09:16PM 5 For instance, I said fishing. These 6 guys -- this group has done many different quarry 7 pits, and what they've learned over the years -- 8 now, they've been together for, oh, boy, 30, 40, j 9 50 years, whatever it is. There are ways that 09:16PM 10 when you dig that hole you'll actually create 11 ledges. And by creating those ledges, it actually 12 allows the fish to breed and have an environment � I 13 to really thrive in. And these are all tricks of 14 the trades to not just dig a hole and fill it with 09:16PM 15 water. There's a way to actually, you know, get 16 that lake as populated as possible with fish, and 17 then we've obviously got the length and the depth 18 for the water -ski activities. So -- 19 MR. PAGNOTTA: I'm Steve Pagnotta from 09:17PM 20 Bradford working on the retail component. We're 21 retail developers. And what I just wanted to 22 identify was as it relates to this transition 23 today in the retail plan. I think Drew has I 24 identified the residential component, but you'll Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 51 1 see here today, here is the Rob Roy Creek and the 2 pathway system and the greenbelt that's going to I Ali 3 be preserved, and then adjacent to it is the 4 detention facility. 09:17PM 5 What we're trying to do on the 6 retail here is adjacent to the detention pond and i 7 the creek is do transitional uses, such as 8 restaurants near the detention with outdoor dining 9 and other things. What's pink here today or 09:17PM 10 lavender is really not pavement. It' s a 11 combination of buildings, parking, outdoor areas 12 and seating and so on. And then as you go closer i 13 to Beecher and the retail as it's under I 14 construction today, it intensifies the uses in 09:17PM 15 terms of size and scale to complement what's 16 happening here. 17 Same thing. We'll have features 18 with greenery and paving and other types of, you 19 know, user - friendly -type of transitional zones and 09:18PM 20 then the larger buildings to the rear. So what's 21 in white today or pink doesn't mean it's hard 22 pavement. It's a combination of greenbelt, I 23 pavers, asphalt, buildings, and so forth. 24 In terms of the percentage of green, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 52 1 I mean, this is a -- this is a 70,000 square foot 2 building, which is a relatively large building. 3 If you compare that to this block of green, it's 4 just a massive use corridor supplemented with the 09:18PM 5 ponds as you look into here. It's quite nice. 6 Again, this is ve v p reliminary. It's g � Y� Y p Y 7 purely a concept. It needs to be refined as we go 8 along. I 9 MR. DANIELS: I can add to that, though, 09:18PM 10 that we have done extensive engineering on the 11 site, and I can basically say where you do see the 12 water on this drawing here, this concept plan, is i 13 where the water will go. You know, it might be 14 moved here or there, you know, 10, 20 feet, 09:18PM 15 whatever it is, but essentially what you see is I 16 what you're going to get in terms of detention. j � 17 MAYOR BURD: Okay. 18 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Drew, can I 19 I add some real quick? 20 MR. DANIELS: Absolutely. 21 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: In 22 regards to stormwater management that we're 23 involved with, all the stormwater management meets I 24 all the state requirements. Obviously, here we I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 j 53 1 are working with a moving target as this project 2 moves forward. We wanted to give the land planner 3 enough information so to give a little better 4 idea, not only to the City, but also to the ' 09:19PM 5 residents of what it would look like and how much 1 6 stormwater we would need to meet the City 7 requirement in Kendall County and other 8 requirements that we would need to meet. So -- 9 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Does anybody have i 09:19PM 10 questions? Judy, would you like to ask a �I 11 question? 12 MS. GILMORE: Judy Gilmore. I think I 13 heard you say you were going to have two -story 14 houses in the senior citizen community. 09:19PM 15 MR. DANIELS: There is a possibility, 16 yes. i 17 MS. GILMORE: I'm just questioning that, 18 why you would not put ranch homes for senior 19 citizens. 09:19PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, that's 21 something that when I first talked about it, and I I 22 I'm like, I thought they were all ranches. But a 23 lot of the developers we've been talking about -- 24 because what we're planning to do is -- I'm not Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 54 1 going to lie. I don't think I'm going to build 2 this entire site. I think parts of it I'm going 3 to sell off to other developers, and one of them 4 is the senior development section, you know, 09:20PM 5 component. And a lot of the builders that I've 6 been talking to, which are mostly in the Lake 7 County area, they have been building two - stories, i 8 and they are beautiful units, but they do have the 9 masters on the first floor. 10 MAYOR BURD: Tom. 11 MR. GILMORE: Tom Gilmore. In the i 12 senior area, I assume that you're going to have 13 handicap accessible amenities built right into the 14 units being that it's a retirement community; 09:20PM 15 correct? 16 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, you know 17 what, I would assume so, but I cannot talk -- I 18 mean, this is -- I think what we're going for here 19 today is the senior development type of use. I 09:20PM 20 can't get into the actual details of the exact 21 architecture and the exact amenities because I I 22 wouldn't be the final builder. That would be 23 something that they would come in, make sure -- 24 I'm sure that they would obviously meet all of Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 55 1 your requirements for ADA codes and whatnot. But 2 I'm sure we'll go above and beyond because of the 3 type of development it is. 4 MR. GILMORE: And would that be, you 09:21PM 5 know, some nominal changes, like slightly larger 6 door sizes, some things like that? Would that be 7 something for you as a builder to -- R 8 MR. DANIELS: You know what, though, I I 9 think what that would come down to is -- the 09:21PM 10 people that I turn this over to, obviously, this 11 is something -- they've built their particular 12 product many, many times over. They know what I 13 works and what doesn't and what people have been 14 looking for. 09:21PM 15 MR. GILMORE: I'm assuming you're aiming 16 at a development like a Del Webb, for example. i 17 MR. DANIELS: Right, exactly. 18 MR. GILMORE: Who does along the lines 19 of what I'm talking about. 09:21PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Exactly. This is a little 21 bit too small of a project for Del Webb, but we 22 are talking to builders similar that do exactly 23 what they do. 24 MR. GILMORE: Thank you. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 56 1 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Do we have any other 2 questions? 3 MR. MILLER: One more question. 4 MAYOR BURD: Oh, wait, Mr. Miller. 09:22PM 5 There are people waiting behind you. 6 MR. GRISWACK: Tom Griswack. You know, ' I 7 I'm looking at it and I'm seeing a lot of red 8 lights on 34. Projected traffic counts as far 9 as -- 09:22PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we have 11 kind of beaten this to death with Kendall County 12 or -- I'm sorry -- with the Kendall Marketplace. i 13 We have our traffic engineer with us today. This 14 is -- 09:22PM 15 MR. WOODWARD: Bill Woodward, KLOA, 16 traffic engineer. We have not yet conducted the 17 traffic study, but we will be analyzing the 34 18 corridor, projecting traffic for the development. 19 We've already had communications with IDOT along 09:22PM 20 this corridor. My firm, KLOA, also did the 21 traffic study for Kendall Marketplace, and the 34 22 expansion along Kendall Marketplace widening to a 23 five -lane cross - section will be continued along I I 24 the front of this development. I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 57 1 MR. GRISWACK: All right. If it's i 2 widened to a five -lane, a majority of those five 3 lanes would be going to the north into your 4 property or -- 09:23PM 5 MR. WOODWARD: Well, actually -- 6 MR. GRISWACK: -- or going to the south 7 into Fox Hill? 8 MR. DANIELS: Well this is something I 9 that we have been -- in early meetings with 09:23PM 10 Yorkville, we needed to be sure that everyone was 11 on the same page because this is very important. 12 And obviously everyone knows that there's a lot of 13 other developments in the area that need to keep 14 moving, Rush - Copley, Kendall Marketplace, and now 15 it's City Cobblestone to the west. 16 The meetings that we've had with 17 IDOT, we have been able to -- where you actually 18 see the stop lights on this plan right here are -- 19 legally they're not set in stone, but I'm going to 09:23PM 20 say that they're pretty much where they're going 21 to be. The reason I say that is obviously Beecher 22 Road is going to be to the left here some day. 23 That's pretty much a given. The very next light 24 to the west, just to the west of the detention Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 58 1 area down there, that lines up directly with the 2 Rush - Copley entrance. So some day that's going to 3 be even more in use. The following one right 4 there is lined up to the Sycamore. 09:24PM 5 MR. GRISWACK: Which is prewired now; 6 correct? 7 MR. DANIELS: Correct. And that's what 8 we're moving on right now, I believe. The s 9 following one -- actually, one more over is linked 09:24PM 10 up to -- i 11 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Diehl 12 Farm (phonetic). 13 MR. DANIELS: Diehl Farm. And the last 14 one is actually an agreement that we have made 09:24PM 15 with the Cobblestone property, and there is 16 another property owner there, to make sure that 17 everyone's property is getting the highest and 18 best use for that light. We've gone ahead and 19 we've done the study. The distances are properly 09:24PM 20 laid out, and we think that the -- I mean, if 21 these are the lights, this is the best place for 22 them. 23 Obviously, the traffic counts don't 24 warrant it yet, but eventually the intersection Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 59 1 that does connect the Kendall Marketplace and our 1 2 site, that will be -- it does have a proper 1 3 distance for a light some day when more traffic 4 does show up on Beecher. I 09:24PM 5 MR. GRISWACK: The Fox Hill subdivision i 1 6 with the properties in close proximity to current 7 existing 34, the increased traffic noise and stuff 8 like that, would there be a possibility of a sound 9 barrier wall, something to -- with the immense 09:25PM 10 amount of traffic that's going to be generating { 11 and the widening similar to what they did in 12 Oswego to the Boulder Hill entrance over there. I 13 MR. DANIELS: Well, I think -- I don't i 14 have a -- this is the first I've heard of anything 09:25PM 15 of a sound barrier wall on Route 34. I don't 16 think that will be very favorable to the 17 commercial, but I think you might be able to 18 answer this better. 19 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE U IENCE MEMBER: Well, 09:25PM 20 would that be positioned such that it would be 21 behind the retail or in front of the retail? 22 MR. DANIELS: No, no, no. 23 MR. GRISWACK: On the south side of 34, i I 24 due to -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 60 1 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Just this 2 small subdivision. 3 MR. GRISWACK: Due to the increased 4 traffic through the subdivision of Fox Hill, 5 through the townhouses -- 6 MR. PAGNOTTA: Is there room today to 7 build a landscape berm? 8 MR. GRISWACK: Pardon? 9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There is 09:25PM 10 a landscape berm. 11 MR. GRISWACK: There is a berm there. 12 MR. PAGNOTTA: We could probably add 13 evergreens or increase the height of the berm. 14 MR. DANIELS: Right. Yeah. I think -- 09:26PM 15 well, that's something that I think we could sit 16 down with the City and we can negotiate and work 17 out. 18 I think that it's tough to see on 19 this plan. It doesn't look like there's very much 09:26PM 20 of a setback, but there certainly is a setback. 21 It doesn't go straight up right to the edge of 34. 22 So the buildings are set back. Like the pink does 23 look like all concrete from here to there. There 24 is a lot of landscaping and whatnot, but I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 61 1 understand where you're coming from. 2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: It's just 3 a huge amount of traffic. You're drawing in 1.1 4 billion square foot of retail. 5 MR. DANIELS: Right. 6 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: The huge 7 amount of traffic increase, and you're talking a 8 total of 1800 -- or, well, 1.8 million between the 9 two. 09:26PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Right. I understand what 11 you're saying. 12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: From the I 13 existing residents who live there, you know, the 14 rest of it east of us is going to Rush - Copley and 09:26PM 15 the municipal center and stuff like that. We're 16 about the only residential area being affected by 17 that increase. And I'm sure you'll get sufficient 18 protection from sound barrier to your residents 19 that you're going to be building behind there. 09:27PM 20 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, and I think -- well, 21 exactly. We were able to do the proper buffering, 22 and I think when we have a more detailed plan, I 23 think you'll see that the proper buffering will be �. I I 24 there when it comes down to actual -- exactly Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 62 1 where the buildings are going to go. 2 MR. PAGNOTTA: But we're happy to look 3 at the existing conditions across the street and 4 make some determination if that's required. We 09:27PM 5 want to be good neighbors. We need to do some 6 investigation. We're not that familiar with it 7 today. 8 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other questions? 9 Mr. Miller. 09:27PM 10 MR. MILLER: One more. Does it slope on 11 that? You said it was a relatively flat site 12 (inaudible). 13 MR. DANIELS: Slope on the what? 14 MR. MILLER: Well -- 09:27PM 15 MR. DANIELS: The site? 16 MR. MILLER: Yeah, the site is 17 relatively flat. 18 MR. DANIELS: It's relatively flat, 19 yeah. 09:27PM 20 MR. MILLER: So which way does the slope 21 go? 22 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, you'll see 23 right where it says Rob Roy Club, that's basically 24 the high point that the railroad says that -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 63 1 that's the high point and it goes to the southeast 2 corner. 3 MR. MILLER: So it slopes down. 4 MR. DANIELS: Correct, yes. 09:28PM 5 MR. MILLER: So, actually, the runoff 6 will go away from the creek then? 7 MR. DANIELS: Correct. In fact, we are 8 not allowed to discharge any water into the creek. 9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Don't say 09:28PM 10 that, because we are. We are discharging into the 11 creek from the stormwater basin. We are keeping 12 all this flood water or all our stuff just outside I 13 the flood zone. There is a component that we are 14 going to the southeast corner, but we're utilizing 09:28PM 15 the larger lake behind the commercial property for I 16 stormwater drainage. 17 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: You may 18 want to highlight how the site might be graded. 19 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Basically 09:28PM 20 the existing grading that's on the site right now, 21 generally there's a ridge line that generally goes 22 through the middle of the site. Some of the 23 component goes through the southeast corner. The 24 rest of the site goes towards the creek. There is Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 64 1 going to be a component down here for stormwater, 2 but it's going to continue to go in the path it's 3 going underneath 34 through the Rush - Copley site 4 to the south. The other flow will go into the 09:28PM 5 stormwater basins and then discharge at a 6 controlled rate near the Rob Roy Creek. So the 7 water is going to generally follow the same path 8 of where it's currently going right now. j 9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Getting 09:28PM 10 back to that natural filtering, will there be any �I 11 natural filtering before that water is actually 12 discharged? 13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, the 14 basin acts itself as an infiltration basin. There 09:29PM 15 are going to be wet basins that obviously filters I � 16 the sediment, settles out of the basin before they i 17 get to the creek. So there's an ability for a I 18 natural sort of infiltration system as they exist. 19 Plus, what will happen is generally 09:29PM 20 on these basins I think the intention is to create 21 something more unique, natural planning. Borders 22 around the perimeters of the ponds, those also 23 prevent and can also provide some standards of 24 best management practices. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 65 1 So I think that's what the intent on 2 the service is right now, but as we work through 3 the details, they'll come around as we go through 4 the approval process. i 09:29PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other questions? 6 Okay. Can we go to -- does City 7 Council have any questions? 8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: I have a couple. As 9 the alderman who probably lives the closest to 09:29PM 10 that, directly across the street, I'd like to know 11 if you're going to address the fact that I don't 12 want to look two times a day going in and out of 13 that subdivision looking at just a bunch of Fox 14 Valley concrete. So anything you can do to make 09:30PM 15 the -- you know, it sounds like with all the 16 amenities you're going to address that. j 17 We have done a traffic study for 18 that light at Sycamore. There is already over 19 20,000 cars a day going by there. That's without 09:30PM 20 Kendall Marketplace, without you guys. So I don't 21 know if that's going to double that or what or how 22 much that street can hold, but this gentleman's 23 point is good as far as the residents who've been 24 there for 10 years with nothing there. Obviously, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 66 1 it's going to be something there some day, I'm not 2 saying don't build anything, build something nice, 3 and maybe there could be some kind of 4 sound -- in addition to sight buffering, some kind 09:30PM 5 of sound buffering for all the current residents 1 6 that have been there for a long time. 7 MR. DANIELS: Okay. 8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: And then as far as the 9 lights, now we can't -- we have no lights to get 09:30PM 10 out. It sounds like we're going to have like five i 11 lights in there. 12 MR. DANIELS: Right. 13 ALDERMAN MUNNS: So I assume we'll be I 14 able to have a choice of lights. i 15 MR. DANIELS: You are correct. I'm sure 16 of that. _.J 17 ALDERMAN MUNNS: Yeah. I mean, I go in 18 and out of there twice a day. So coming in and 19 out, I'd like to have something that you drive by 09:30PM 20 going, oh, that's pretty nice over there. 21 MR. DANIELS: Sure. 22 ALDERMAN MUNNS: So I'm sure you guys 23 will address that as well. 24 MR. DANIELS: We will. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 67 1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: I'm not sure I can 2 envision the unique water features and all the 3 other stuff, but I can envision -- and I don't 4 know if I've seen it. I certainly haven't seen it 09:31PM 5 much. With the R -4 max density of eight units per 6 acre, I've got a real good vision of what that I 7 could potentially be. 8 You're talking an area of 9 (inaudible) 71 acres and about 416 potential 09:31PM 10 units. And the senior, which "two -story senior" i 11 seems like an oxymoron to me. And an estimated 12 310 at 72 acres, I don't think addresses the 13 (inaudible) of the City or the quality of life. 14 It seems like a whole lot of people stacked behind 09:31PM 15 a great chunk of commercial on a little piece of 16 land relative to the residents. 17 So, in walking through it, I'd be 18 more than happy to listen, but -- 19 MR. CAMPBELL: We've got two components, 09:31PM 20 two residential components. Neither of those two 21 have been built before in this community. In 22 fact, the private club I don't think has been 23 built really anywhere as we're proposing. 24 The density of the private club is Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 68 1 five units an acre or less. That's the average 2 density allowed. And in the senior development, 3 it's 3.6 or less. I'm sure that we'll not end up 4 being all two -story buildings. It's a combination 09:32PM 5 of single, duplexes, three buildings shown as 6 mid -rise buildings. 7 I happen to live in Conway Farms in 8 the senior development. Our lower level is a 9 master bedroom. We have two bedrooms upstairs and 09:32PM 10 baths that we don't even use. Last weekend we had 11 company from Michigan. We used it. So I think 12 some of the senior units will be two - story. The 13 living accommodations for the people who are there 14 will be on the ground floor primarily. There will 09:32PM 15 be some -- probably some flats that will be 16 single- family only. 17 The end design of either the senior 18 development or the club is quite a ways down the 19 road to design exactly what it's going to be, what 09:33PM 20 it will look like, what the final design will be. 21 But the calculated density is no more than five 22 units per acre. I 23 ALDERMAN LESLIE: I just noticed here -- 24 I notice here in your handout you provided the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 69 1 City, the residential Rob Roy Club, plus or minus 2 71 acres of R -4 zoning, has total units of 3 298.416, ranging between 5.5 units an acre, R -4 4 max density of eight units. Is that just 5 referenced for the allowable -- 6 MR. CAMPBELL: That's what your I ' 7 ordinance allows. 8 ALDERMAN LESLIE: -- the allowable 9 reference? So your intent is 5 -- 5.5? 09:33PM 10 MR. CAMPBELL: We would be better off I 11 not to put that on, what we intend to do. 12 I happen to have a picture of it if i .! 13 you kind of want to look at what a two -story 14 duplex can be. 15 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Absolutely, yeah. 16 MR. CAMPBELL: You can't use it because 17 it belongs to the developer. 18 ALDERMAN LESLIE: So when you're saying 19 multistory, you're not talking about -- I'm 09:33PM 20 envisioning quads, two -story quads. 21 MR. CAMPBELL: No. 22 ALDERMAN LESLIE: No? Okay. 23 MR. DANIELS: The picture does speak a 24 lot of words. It does help. i i Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 70 1 ALDERMAN LESLIE: Thank you. 2 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I do have several 3 questions here. First of all, I'd like to -- 4 well, I'd just like to say that it says submitted 09:34PM 5 to Village and actually it should be City. 6 (Inaudible) 7 Secondly, when you were talking 8 about the water events that you were going to 9 have, and I think that we heard that possibly I 09:34PM 10 3,000 to 5,000 people will be attending and you 11 would negotiate with commercial property for 12 parking? i 13 MR. DANIELS: Yeah, if that's what it 14 comes down to. 09:34PM 15 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I think the only way i 16 that any commercial property would approve this 17 and work with you is if it's after they're closed. 18 MR. DANIELS: Right. 19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: So are these events 09:34PM 20 going to be held at 10 o'clock at night? 21 MR. DANIELS: No, no, no. I agree with 22 you there. I think that -- I know for a fact -- 23 and I wish I brought it with me. My brother had 24 typed out -- there are different levels of these I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 71 I events. When we first saw the numbers, I think 2 the numbers he had written down were (inaudible). 3 And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, where are we going i i 4 to get -- you know, we can't do that. So it 09 :35PM 5 wouldn't be a major event. It would be a 6 preliminary or an entry -level event. Whatever it t f 7 is, we just need to make sure that it doesn't k 8 exceed a certain amount of people. 9 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: So it would not be I I 09:35PM 10 the 2- or 3 -- or 3,000 or 5,000 that you just j 11 quoted earlier? 12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: That's 13 the maximum at those type of events, I've been 14 told, around the country if it's a high -end. 09:35PM 15 Generally speaking, we're looking at this ski 16 course to be an amenity for special events, sort 17 of like -- and I'll be real blunt -- like Music 18 Under the Stars type of thing to where the 19 community can some to see skiers do some type of i 09:35PM 20 performance and open it up to the public. And 21 that -- normally you would see a hundred, maybe a 22 thousand people. And they will be, you know, r 23 probably in the afternoon on a Saturday or Sunday. 24 Similar to Geneva Commons when they do these types Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 72 1 of concerts in their gazebo area. They try to 2 help promote in the sort of dead time of summer, 3 as I'll call it as a retailer, to bring some 4 people to the retail site. And also to offer some 09:36PM 5 educational and enjoyment to see what water - skiing 6 type of events (inaudible). 7 ALDERMAN MUNNS: We're not going to hear 8 speed boats whizzing down there like seven days a 9 week pulling skiers? 09:36PM 10 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: No. i 11 MR. DANIELS: One boat only. And at 12 first, there's no doubt about it, the main idea 13 for this is for the Rob Roy Club. So it will get 14 very limited use, and as we work out the kinks, as 09:36PM 15 to what exactly the best hours are to run this, 16 you know, what the timing is on this thing, then 17 we can maybe open it up to the public and, you 18 know, we'll go from there. There's no doubt that 19 we're not just going to start that off with major 09:36PM 20 events or something like that. That's not our I 21 intention. 22 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And I just 23 want to highlight because I have like probably 50 24 questions in this whole thing. I'll just Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 73 1 highlight my major concerns right now. 2 First of all, rather than an 3 age- targeted, I would be in favor of I 4 age- restricted. 09:37PM 5 MR. DANIELS: Did I say targeted? I 6 think I meant restricted. Or -- I'm sorry. 7 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I mean, it's like a 8 toss -up. It could be, it may be, but -- 9 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, no. That 09:37PM 10 was something that we were discussing is the 11 people we've met with. 12 MR. CAMPBELL: What we were talking 13 about on builder developers, all of them in 14 building products that we're talking about, much 09:37PM 15 prefer to have an age- targeted. The buildings 16 themselves are to be designed for people like me ! 17 that's in this kind of a unit at the present time. 18 But it would be age- restricted. You limit some of 19 the people that you might want to get in a higher 09:37PM 20 tax bracket that would want to come into it and 21 move into it now, move into that category. I 22 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Well, to answer I 23 that, most builders that I have spoken with don't 24 want to pay impact fees either. So I think if we Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 74 1 go ahead and do an age- restricted, this is what 2 our community needs rather than age- targeted. I 3 don't think we're looking for age- targeted, number 4 one. Number two, I don't think we need two -story 09:37PM 5 homes for seniors. I mean, God bless you, you're i 6 probably in perfect health and that's really good, i 7 but I think the people that we are looking for to i 8 be in an age- restricted area would be a ranch home 9 and would have the proper codes and everything and 09:38PM 10 the proper equipment in there as far as even a 11 no -step area. I think that this is what we need 12 in a community like that. 13 And I know that you're -- are you 14 going to show me that that could change? Because 09:38PM 15 I know that the senior housing, I believe I read, 16 would not even be in the planning stage for seven 17 or eight years; is that correct? Is that the time 18 frame? 19 MR. DANIELS: Well, no. You know what? 09:38PM 20 The earlier people that I had spoke to, which was 21 almost a year from now, at the time they were 22 thinking that we were still about six years out 23 before the market would even get here. But that I I 24 was for a particular type of age- restricted -- or I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 75 1 that was for an assisted living development, which 2 actually had the full -blown -- well, what was it? 3 The complex where it's a hundred percent assisted i 4 living. 09:39PM 5 We've taken that out of the mix now 6 altogether. We don't have that building anymore. 7 So this, I guess, would be a lot more -- a lot 8 closer in the future than six years. 9 MR. CAMPBELL: The assisted care 09:39PM 10 facility that we first started with was on the 11 first plan that we put with the City. We met with 12 three major builder developers, Fairview, 13 Erickson, and the building in Chicago, whatever 14 the name was. All three are major developers 09:39PM 15 nationwide. And the area was not ready for it, 16 one. And, two, the site was not large enough for 17 the number of units that they needed. 18 ALDERMAN MDNNS: Erickson is Monarch; 19 right? Monarch Landing? 09:39PM 20 MR. CAMPBELL: Monarch is one of the 21 Erickson developments. 22 Let me add one thing. In the 23 project that I live in that's in Lake Forest, 24 Conway Farms, it actually is an 18 -hole golf Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 76 1 course, and we would have everything in the 2 age- restricted category. You have your choice in 3 there of, when it was built, of either two -story 4 or one - story. The bulk of the people in there, 09:40PM 5 while it's not age- restricted, it's age- targeted, 6 chose to have two -story buildings and not i 7 one - story. They could have bought either. r 8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: That's contrary to 9 what Del Webb proposes. Now, when was your i 09:40PM 10 development actually built? 11 MR. CAMPBELL: It's still being built 12 now. 13 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: When did they start? 14 MR. CAMPBELL: Started about 10 years 15 ago. 16 ALDERMAN SPEARS: Ten years ago. And I 17 think that was the trend 10 years ago. 18 MR. CAMPBELL: We were the designer of i 19 the project. It's called Conway Farms. ' w 09:40PM 20 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right . And I 21 wouldn't disagree. Ten years ago I believe that 22 was the trend, but I think times have changed i 23 right now, and I think putting a two- story, even 24 proposing a two -story home for seniors is just -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 77 1 I certainly wouldn't consider it. 2 And then I have some other questions 3 here. I'm sorry. 4 MR. CAMPBELL: This is the building that I 09:40PM 5 I was talking about. 6 MR. DANIELS: This is the two - story. 7 MR. CAMPBELL: That happens to be a 8 duplex, two -story duplex. 9 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: But my feeling is 09:41PM 10 people are paying for two stories, and as you said 11 numerous times, they're only using one. It's j 12 beneficial to a developer. It's beneficial to a 13 builder because you are using actually less land. 14 But if you can provide them with a ranch home the 09:41PM 15 way that I think it should be -- 16 MR. CAMPBELL: The intent is to have i 17 ranch homes and two - story. It doesn't have to be. i 18 They can take their choice. We had company in 19 over the weekend, they used the upstairs. My 09:41PM 20 children visit me. They p use the upstairs. We 21 don't. We're downstairs. The ultimate plan would I' 22 be to have both. 23 MR. DANIELS: Right. i 24 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Also in your Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 78 1 document here, your PUD, and I know it is just 2 conceptual, but I'd like to give you some opinions 3 that I have. 4 MR. DANIELS: Sure. 09:41PM 5 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: You're talking about 6 ordinances, codes and regulations, and you would 7 abide by the ones that are now in force and in i 8 effect, and I think quite a few of them, and what 9 the City, I believe, is trying to do is as we pass 09:42PM 10 different codes and ordinances, because we have 11 some major ones that are coming forth now, that we 12 do expect that to be written into the document, � 13 that you will conform to the latest codes and 14 ordinance that we have. 09:42PM 15 Also, I have a concern with the 16 types of products that you're going to propose, ,'. 17 single - family, cluster housing, townhome houses, 18 duplexes, and mid -rise buildings not to exceed 19 four stories. I think that your development 09:42PM 20 sounds like it could be very promising and very 21 good. We just don't need that many people. We 22 don't need that many people to reside in 23 Yorkville. I mean, you're just putting in with 24 your townhomes, your duplexes, and you're just I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 79 1 adding a great amount of population to our city. 2 Also, if -- and I will discuss this 3 with our staff. I have some uestions regarding q g g 4 our City zoning ordinances and codes, and it seems 09:43PM 5 rather open -ended with the City kind of being on 6 the short end. i 7 And then again, the City is having 8 sole responsibility for quite a few things 9 throughout this agreement, off -site easements for 09:43PM 10 water, and that might be typical in some. But 11 then we go down to page 8 and we're talking about 12 connecting to Kendall Marketplace. 13 MR. DANIELS: Yes. 14 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And the City shall 09:43PM 15 require the developer of Kendall Marketplace to I 16 extend the water main, and you are asking quite a 17 bit from Kendall Marketplace, and I don't know if j I i 18 you've negotiated with them. But if we turn to 19 page 27 -- okay -- you were then asking for 09:44PM 20 recapture agreements if anybody, you know, hooks 21 up. So it's kind of -- Kendall Marketplace is 22 going to just go ahead and hook up and give you 23 all the benefits. But if anybody would like 24 something from your property, then you're going to Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 80 1 expect recapture fees, and it just seems so 2 open -ended or so -- 3 MR. DANIELS: I can definitely say that 4 we are -- Kendall Marketplace is -- there is 09:44PM 5 nothing that's for free with Kendall Marketplace. 6 There is no doubt about that. They are very good 7 at what they do. They have negotiated many deals, 8 and we've worked very hard with them to work out 9 that -- while it doesn't look like much, but that 09:44PM 10 3.2 acres has taken quite a long time to negotiate 11 with, and they're getting other benefits from 12 that. But -- 13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: In 14 response to your concern, we understand that and 09:45PM 15 we will take that -- and obviously the staff is 16 aware of that as well. In many respects when I 17 draft an annexation agreement to start with, some 18 provisions like a recapture agreement that you j 19 point out is a way to find out if there are 09:45PM 20 recapture agreements. If we come in initially and 21 say, we do not have to pay any recapture fees, the 22 first thing out of your engineering department is 23 going to be, well, there is five that exist, there 24 is two that exist, there is one that exists. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 81 1 There is no way in this annexation agreement that 2 we can buy an annexation agreement or void what 3 already exists. We know that. But -- so some of 4 those provisions in this annexation are a way, 09:45PM 5 when we sit down with staff, to get information so 6 that we can adjust that. So we are aware of those I 7 provisions. 8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And then -- 9 well, I'm not going to go through the entire i 09:46PM 10 thing, but we're talking about signage and we're 11 talking about -- well, a lot of this I will share 12 with our staff. But I just would like to assess 13 a -- we're requesting that in here; correct? 14 Okay. 09:46PM 15 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: 16 Basically, it's a financial package that is 17 similar to Kendall Marketplace in terms of the 18 financial vehicles that we're seeking approval 19 for. We need to do more work to determine the 09:46PM 20 amount of what that financial package is, but we 21 do want to get in your conceptual approval for the 22 use of the similar tools because that's what helps 23 in creating that. 24 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: So your SSA is just j I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 82 1 specifically addressing commercial? That's it? 2 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. 3 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. Thank you. 4 And -- 09:47PM 5 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think 6 the only thing I would say is, we may have a 7 dormant or a backup SSA -- 8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And that's fine. 9 MR. CAMPBELL: -- so that the City could 09:47PM 10 go in and do something in a residential area if 11 the association wants it, but that's not a i 12 residential SSA to put in public improvements 13 anything like that. i 14 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Okay. And then my 09:47PM 15 final comment would be, this really sounds like a 16 great development, and the water area and 17 everything is very promising; however, our Council 18 was burned recently about another great I I 19 development that came in, another great 09:47PM 20 development that came in and suddenly came back to 21 us and said, rather than having this beautiful 22 beach front and these beautiful homes surrounding 23 it, we're going to change. We're going to make it 24 a little tiny area and, you know, and I would just Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 83 1 hate to see that happen here. 2 MR. DANIELS: And I think one of the 3 things we're trying to establish, and this is a 4 little later down the road, but in the annexation 09:48PM 5 agreement is, we will agree to particular 6 architectural design guidelines that we'll make I 7 sure that we achieve and meet. And like I said, I 8 this is something that -- I mean, I'm young and I 9 want to put my name on this and I don't want 09:48PM 10 something that's going to look like what you just 11 talked about. There's no doubt about that. 12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I don't 13 know which project you're talking about, but we 14 are coming forward with a project with a known 09 :48PM 15 market. Some projects came to you earlier, the i 16 market was different than it is today and 17 developers struggle and they're trying to make it 18 still work. So that might happen, but we know 19 what we're dealing with marketwise now. 09:48PM 20 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Actually, that was 21 also, you know, a known thing at that time and 22 they did present it to us, and then it came to the 23 point where the City needed to negotiate for other I 24 areas, and I just don't want to see this happen i Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 84 1 with this development regarding the traffic signal 2 that we desperately need there. 3 MR. DANIELS: Right. 4 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And I know you are 09:49PM 5 working with the City. Those are just my thoughts 6 at this time. 7 MR. DANIELS: Thank you. Thanks. 8 MAYOR BURD: Alderman Golinski, did you 9 have a question? 10 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Oh, not really. I 11 just had a comment, though. Mr. Daniels, I've 12 seen this at the Plan Commission and I think it's 13 a great project. I do have a couple slight I i 14 concerns about the viability of the residential 09:49PM 15 aspects of it, but I think it's commendable. I 16 You've worked closely with staff and I think some 17 of the surrounding landowners. I mean, this is 18 just a concept, more or less. I mean, I'd like to 19 see you continue that through the process. But 20 overall anyone who's gotten their tax bill 21 recently knows that we need these types of 22 developments. So -- 23 MR. DANIELS: Thank you. 24 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Any other comments? Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 85 1 Come on, guys. Well, and they need to -- no, I 2 know. Go ahead. Please do. 3 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: I want to talk 4 about the parks for a second. And on page 19 it 09:50PM 5 talks about school and park donations being 6 Exhibits 8, 9, but there wasn't anything included. 7 What are your plans for that? 8 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: There is I 9 a number of exhibits that are not in the agreement 09:50PM 10 yet that we -- 11 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: There aren't any. 12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, i 13 because we're at the concept stage. We don't have 14 enough detail. As we move forward with the 09:50PM 15 preliminary, we will have more detail and we will 16 know better to be able to fill in that type of 17 information. i - 18 MR. DANIELS: And if I could add real 19 quick, though. 20 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: Sure. 21 MR. DANIELS: Something I did not 22 mention to everybody is, I would say that 90 23 percent of this entire site is in the Plano School 24 District. There is a small sliver on the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 86 1 northeast corner, it looks like a little 2 triangle -- I don't know, it's a couple hundred 3 feet, if that, that's in the actual Yorkville 4 School District. We've met with both of the 09:50PM 5 superintendents for Plano and Yorkville. kville. 6 They're -- we've -- in fact, I think in your 7 handouts, you have an impact study on the number 8 of students, and we've gotten very favorable 9 responses from both Yorkville and Plano. We're 09:51PM 10 working with them, with their requests, and also 11 obviously with the Park Board as to what we'll do I 12 and whatnot. i 13 MAYOR BURD: You know, it's -- 14 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: What's on the docket 09:51PM 15 for -- 16 MAYOR BURD: Excuse me. One thing I 17 would like to point out, and this is probably 18 because I'm a new mayor here and I haven't 19 controlled these kind of meetings before, but this 09:51PM 20 was really just a concept presentation. All of 21 these items and annexation agreements should 22 properly be undertaken starting at the EDC 23 committee and moving forward. This was not the 24 time for us to be doing that. And that's, I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 87 1 think, why this meeting has progressed at such a 2 slow pace here. 3 So if you wouldn't mind keeping i 4 those kinds of questions that deal with the i 09:51PM 5 annexation agreement for the EDC meeting where 6 it's supposed to be held, I would appreciate it 7 so that we could move along here. The hour is 8 getting late. 9 If you have something to say about i 09:51PM 10 the concept generally, please feel free to ask a 11 question if you haven't had a chance to do so. 12 But as far as the specific annexation agreement, a 13 please hold that for the committee level. And I 14 apologize for letting this drag on so long. I'll 09:52PM 15 get better at this as we go along. 16 First, do you have -- 17 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: No. I would just -- 18 MAYOR BURD: Do either one of you 19 want -- do ou want to continue with anything? Y 09:52PM 20 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: I think that for 21 the senior -- just to sum it up, if I can't ask my 22 questions that I'd like to about this, or I will, 23 I guess, when it comes back at committee if I'm I 24 allowed to ask questions there. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I 88 1 I'm concerned about the lack of 2 parks in this, and from what it sounds like from 3 what you've told me, as far as public access to I 4 parks goes, there is just going to be a couple of 09:52PM 5 bike trails. 6 MR. DANIELS: Uh -huh. 7 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: That's it. 8 Additionally, I think the density of both the 9 senior community and the Rob Roy Club are way too 09:52PM 10 dense. They don't match with our current land use 11 plan that we have, which has a great deal of this 12 development to be designated as suburban -- 1 13 suburban neighborhood with a density of 1.5 to 14 2.25 units per acre. 09:53PM 15 I do understand that there is some 16 trade -off with the commercial development coming 17 in along with these communities, but I don't want 18 the commercial development to be a tool to try and 19 parlay excessive housing or a community that is 09:53PM 20 going to be gated and shut out for the rest of 21 Yorkville concerning parks or other uses for the 22 land. i 23 MR. DANIELS: I see. Okay. I'll take 24 that into -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 89 1 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Mr. Plocher had one. 2 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: Well, he did a 3 wonderful job of explaining it. 4 MAYOR BURD: You agree with what he 5 said? i 6 ALDERMAN PLOCHER: Yes, ditto, for all 7 that he stated. 8 MAYOR BURD: And that was an appropriate 9 comment. 09:53PM 10 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I just wanted to 11 apologize because previously I thought that we 12 were told when a concept plan comes to us to give 13 you our initial thoughts so you can go back to the 14 drawing board and share it with our staff. So I 09:54PM 15 do apologize, I guess, if I was at fault for 16 following what I thought was procedure. 17 MR. DANIELS: Well, actually, we're 18 taking everything you guys are all saying and 19 we're going to back to work on all this stuff 09:54PM 20 because this is stuff -- well, this is just -- 21 you've all seen the global plan. That's what 22 we're working for tonight, but essentially we are 23 working with what, you know, is eventually going 24 to be there. So this is all -- this is all Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 90 1 helping. 2 MAYOR BURD: But this will be moving out 3 to the development committee -- 4 MR. DANIELS: Right. 09:54PM 5 MAYOR BURD: -- and that's where they 6 will be going through the annexation agreement 7 line by line and working out all the other -- so I 8 appreciate you being here tonight, and thank you 9 very much. 09:54PM 10 MR. DANIELS: Thank you all for having 11 us. 12 MAYOR BURD: We will need to move 13 forward. It's getting late already. I hope in 14 keeping with the time, if you have any citizens' 09:54PM 15 comments, would you please keep them short and 16 sweet. I would like to move forward into our -- 17 oh, can I have a motion to close the public 18 hearing. 19 ALDERMAN LESLIE: So moved. 09:55PM 20 ALDERMAN GOLINSKI: Second. 21 MAYOR BURD: All in favor? 22 (Body of ayes.) 23 MAYOR BURD: All against? :I 24 Okay. Let's move to citizens' Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 91 1 comments, please. 2 (WHEREUPON the public 3 hearing portion of the 4 proceedings was 5 concluded.) i 6 -, 7 8 I 9 10 11 12 13 I 14 15 16 17 18 19 i 20 I 21 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 92 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) SS. 2 COUNTY OF K A N E ) 3 I, Teresa S. Grandchamp, a I 4 Certified Shorthand Reporter, do hereby certify 5 that I reported in shorthand the proceedings had 6 at the hearing of the above - entitled cause and ! I 7 that the foregoing Report of Proceedings is a 8 true, correct, and complete transcript of my l 9 shorthand notes so taken at the time and place 10 aforesaid. 11 I further certify that I am neither 12 counsel for nor related to counsel for any of the 13 parties, nor am I in any way interested in the 14 outcome thereof. 15 I further certify that my 16 certificate annexed hereto applies to the original 17 transcript and copies thereof, signed and 18 certified under my hand only. I assume no i i 19 responsibility for the accuracy of any reproduced 20 copies not made under my control or direction. 21 In testimony whereof, I have 22 hereunto set my hand this 21st day of August, 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 93 1 A.D. 2007. 2 i 3 I 4 Teresa S. 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4:15, 4:17 46:10, 46:11, handle 11] - 63:18, 72:23, 18:6, 26:3, 50:24 Gilbert [1] - 4:17 44:18 identify [e] - 33:18 67:15, 79:1, 73:1 I G]llard [1] function [3] - 82:16, 82:18, Hill [4] - 57:7, GILMORE [s] - 27:2 17:16, 39:15, - 14:21, 14:22, 82:19, 84:13, 59:5, 59:12, 60:4 21:24 88:11 hold [2] - 65:22, 5:23, 5:24, 53:12, handout[21- 50:22 Fund [1] - 22:24 green [14] - 87:13 53:17, 54:11, 12:24, 68:24 identifying [4] - 55:4, 55:15, handouts [1] - 13:5, 13:15, fund (2] - 21:7, 55:18, 55:24 14:7, 14:10, 86:7 hole [3] - 50:2, �- 49:22 14:20, 15:9, 16:3, 50:10, 50:14 13:16, 19:1 funding [is] - Gilmore [4] - 21:22, 23:1, 26:3, happy (2] - 62:2, home [4] - IDNR Ill - 25:11 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 I i 7 MOT [21- 56:19, 15:4,15:5. 26:7, J kinks [1] - 72:14 87:8, 90:13 1[st [51- 6:23, 57:17 26:11, 31:17, KLOA [31- 6:3, latest [1] - 78:13 7:1, 12:17, 23:14 IEPA 141- 20:4, 53:3, 81:5, 85:17 56:15, 56:20 lavender[11- listed [31- 8:15, 21:6, 21:7, 22:6 infrastructure J.D [11- 5:2 knowledge [1I - 51:10 13:3, 20:1 ILLINOIS [1] - [ 71- 14:7, 14:11, JoAnn [1] - 4:17 40:1 learned [11- listen [11- 67:18 1:4 14:20, 15:9, 16:3, job p - 89:3 known [3] - 50:7 listing fil - 15:1 Illinois 1 - 21:22, 23:1 John Ill - 5:6 13:8, 83:14, leave [1l - 15:18 live 131- 61:13, 1:17, 11:1, 29:1, initial [1] - 89:13 Joseph [11- 6:6 83;21 ledges [21- 68:7, 75:23 33:3, 33:9, 33:10 initiation [1] - JOSEPH [21- knows [3] - 50:11 lives [11- 65:9 immense [1] - 37:10 2:3, 2:9 38:19, 57:12, left [zl - 48:4, living 151- " 59:9 inside [11- 44:5 Judy [31- 5:23, 84:21 57:22 35:15, 49:11, impact [31- insight [11- 53:10, 53:12 Kodak [1] - legally [1l - 68:13, 75:1, 75:4 30:3, 73:24, 86:7 49:22 July Ill - 8:2 22:23 57:19 LLC [1] - 32:24 impermeable [1] instance [1] - jurisdictions [21 Kramer [1l - legislation [11- local [s] - 14:1, - 29:16 50:5 - 16:7, 26:8 6:24 30:5 18:2, 23:9, 23:14, impervious 11] - instead Ill - length [21- 24:1, 27:9 29:22 48:12 K L 38:21, 50:17 located [41- implementing integrated [11- LESLIE [121- 19:7, 33:8, 35:4, (1] 15:19 17:13 2:7, 3:8, 8:1, 36:10 important [21- intend [11- Kane [1] - 9:17 lack [21- 8:3, 67:1, 68:23, 69:8, long -term [11- 21:24, 57:11 69:11 : [ 11- 8 laid 69:15, 69:18, 21:19 importantly [21 intensifies 111- 4:11 11 laid [3] - 48:1, 69:22, 70:1, look [131- 10:4, 47:1, 47:3 51:14 Kasper [11- 4:11 48:2, 58:20 90:19 29:9, 30:7, 52:5, keep [5] - 16:15, Lake 141- 35:21, improvements intent [31- 65:1, Leslie [1] - 3:7 53:5, 60:19, 30 32:6, 57:13, 41:9, 54:6, 75:23 [11- 82:12 69:9, 77:16 less [5] - 28:9, 60:23, 62:2, 90:15 lake [s] - 37:7, Inaudible 131 - intention [21- 68:1, 68:3, 77:13, 65:12, 68:20, 4:18, 6:11, 70:6 64:20, 72:21 keeping [3] - 38:22, 39:2, 43:2, 84:18 69:13, 80:9, 63:15 50:16 87:3, , inaudible [s1- interest [zl - 63:11, letting [21- 83:10 49:11 1] - 5:13, 6:9, 26:3, 18:16, 20:3 90:14 lakes [ 12:12, 87:14 looked [z1- 40:22, 67:9, interesting [11- Kendall [381 - land [121 - 15:6, level [71- 30:24, 26:9, 46:2 9:17, 9:24, 14:9, 16:8, 18:17, 67:13 39:8 14:11, 14:12, 26:21, 39:20, 36:1, 39:4, 43:22, looking [19] - inaudible) [s1- intersection Iz] 68:8, 71:6, 87:13 24:2, 32:8, 35:13, i 6:10, 26:23, 27:7, - 24:23, 58:24 15:3, 16:6, 16:7, 44:9, 47:15, 53:2, levels [1] - 70:24 35:16, 36:12, 62:12, 71:2, 72:6 introduce [11- 23:10, 26:2, 26:6, 67:16, 77:13, license [1] - 7:8 38:16, 41:9, include [a] - 33:13 26:8, 26:12, 88:10, 88:22 26:15, 26:22, Landing I11 lie I11- 54:1 41:11, 42:9, 44:7, - 14:7, 20:7, 37:4, introduction [1] life [1] - 67:13 44:14, 46:6, 50:4, 27:16, 27:24, 75:19 55:14, 56:7, . 37:19 - 3:24 30:13, 33:2, 33:4, lifesty le [z1- landowners 15] - included I1] - investigation [11 35:7, 35:15 65:13, 71:15, 85:6 62:6 46:16, 47:4, 53:7, 16:2,16:8, 18:15, 56:11, 56:12, 18:19, 84:17 li g ht 141- 57:23, 74:3, 74:7 , , looks [zl - includes 111- investment [2] - 58:18 59:3 56:21, 56:22, lands Ill - 9:13 39:20, 86:1 12:2 23:6, 23:8 57:14, 59:1, 65:18 incorporated 131 invoice [11- landscape [31- lighted [11- lower 141- 35:8, 65:20, 79:12, 5:21, 60:7, 60:10 - 13:13, 16:20, 6:24 79;15, 79:17, 20:17 36:5, 39:4, 68:8 17:18 involved [41- landscaping [1] 79:21, 80:4, 80:5, - 60:24 lights [8] - 8:22 lower -level [11- incorporating 20:13, 24:19, 56:8, 57:18, 39:4 81:17 lane [z1- 56:23, [11- 19:8 32:13, 52:23 KENNY [1]- 57:2 58:21, 66:9, lucky [1] - 49:2 increase [3] - issue [1] - 21:16 5:14 66:11, 66:14 60:13, 61:7, issues (9) - 13:5, lanes [11- 57:3 Kenny [11- 5:14 large likely [1] - 48:1 M g [1- 35:6, 61:17 13:6, 13:8, 13:15, limit [11- 73:18 kind [241 - 10:9, 52:2, 75:16 increased [21- 19:1, 19:5, 20:20, 12:24, 15:6, limited [11- l main [3] - 36:10, 59:7, 60:3 21:21, 30:3 larger 72;14 15:22, 18:5, 21:2, 51:20, 55:55:5 , 72:12, 79:16 indicated [11- item [11- 8:15 22;11, 22:19, 63:15 line 141- 9:12, maintain I1] - 26:1 items [2)- 13:1, 63:21, 90:7 25:7, 29:16, 32:1, largest 11 40:4 infiltrate [11- 86:21 linear [21 - 35:3, 36:16, 39:12, 49:17 maintaining I1] 31:11 Itself Ill - 15:21, 42:7, 42:9, 43:17, 35:4 infiltration [3] - 64:14 la 27: , 2 lined 58:4 main 56:11, 66:3, 66:4, 25:9, 27:9, 28:19 1 , [ ] maintenance [1] 29:3, 64:14, 69:13, 73:17, 58:13 lines [5] - 42:10, 42:11, 43:22, 64:18 37:14 79:5, 79:21, Last ill information [10l 86 55:18, 58:1 - 10:13, 15:2, late [31- 10:22, linked [11- 58:9 15:11, 45:3, kinds [11- 87:4 i Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 8 47:17,71:5. 32:20, 32:23, 52:21, 58:11, MILSCHEWSKI 2:11, 2:13,4:2, 3:11, 3:13,3:15, 72:19, 73:1, 39:13, 42:1, 59:19, 60:1, 60:9, [8] - 3:7, 3:9, 3:11, 4:4, 4:6, 4:8, 3:17, 3:19, 3:21, 75:12, 75:14, 45:14, 52:17 61:2, 61:6, 61:12, 3:13, 3:15, 3:17, 4:24, 5:2, 5:4, 4:10, 4:11, 4:13, 78:11 53:9, 54:10, 56:1, 63:9, 63:17, 3:19, 3:21 5:5, 5:6, 5:7, 5:8, 4:15, 4:17, 4:20, majority (2] - 56:4, 62:8, 65:5, 63:19, 64:9, mind [5] - 16:16, 5:10, 5:11, 5:14, 4:22, 5:23, 8:21, 22:5, 57:2 84:8, 84:24, 64:13, 71:12, 24:22, 29:19, 5:16, 5:18, 5:19, 9:2, 24:4, 24:9, management [7) 86:13, 86:16, 72:10, 80:13, 32:6, 87:3 5:21, 5:24, 6:1, 25:7, 27:12, - 16:19, 17:23, 87:18, 89:1, 89:4, 81:15, 82:2, 82:5, minus (5] - 6:2, 6:4, 6:6, 6:8, 27:14, 27:22, 19:4, 37:14, 89:8, 90:2, 90:5, 83:12, 85:8, 34:24, 35:12, 6:10, 7:12, 24:15, 28:4, 28:7, 28:13, 52:22, 52:23, 90:12, 90:21, 85:12 36:9, 43:8, 69:1 24:18, 25:13, 28:17, 28:19, 64:24 90:23 Members Ill - minute [l] - 12:9 25:17, 25:23, 29:13, 30:12, Manager [i) - mayor [1] - 37:15 mission [i] - 33:11, 39:17, 30:20, 31:8, 4:12 86:18 members (3] - 9:12 39:24, 41:14, 31:10, 31:18, Manhattan [2] - McGraw Ill - 9:9, 9:20, 37:10 mix ]2] - 15:17, 41:16, 42:3, 42:6, 32:13, 32:21, 20:8, 20:9 49:14 mention [1] - 75:5 43:15, 43:19, 53:12, 53:17 mapped It] - mean [211- 13:7, 85:22 modify 11) - 49:4 45:9, 46:1, 46:13, multistory (q - 14:10 31:5, 39:22, mentioned 15] - module (3] - 46:22, 49:12, 69:19 mapping [2)- 40:18, 45:2, 12:22, 18:15, 17:1, 19:21, 50:19 52:9, multiunit[1]- 22:17, 23:1 45:11, 45:12, 20:4, 20:5, 29:16 22 :10 52:20, 53:15, 35:16 market 13] - 45:21, 47:16, met [3] - 73:11, MOGLE [i] - 4:8 53:20, 54:11, municipal [11- 74:23, 83:15, 48:22, 51:21, 75:11, 86:4 Mogle Ill - 4:8 54:16 55:4, 55:8, 61:15 83:16 52:1, 54:18, MICHAEL Ill - Monarch [3] - 55:15, 55:17, Municipal [1] - � Marketplace 115] 58:20, 66:17 2:13 75:18, 75:19, 55:18, 55:20, 29 :1 73:7, 74:5, 78:23, Michigan 55:24, 56:3, 56:6, municipalities - 46:16, 47:4, 9 [ ] - 75:20 p 56:12, 56:21, 83:8, 84:17, 68:11 money [4] - 56:10, 56:15, [3] - 16:10, 17:3, 56:22, 57:14, 84:18 mid [5] - 10:9, 16:22, 18:9, 57:1, 57:5, 57:6, 27:19 59:1, 65:20, meandered [i] - 36:15, 41:18, 21:10, 23:4 57:8, 58:5, 58:7, MUNNS [14] - 79:12, 79:15, 20:18 68:6, 78:18 monitor p] - 58:13, 59:5, 2:5, 3:16, 6:17, 79:17, 79:21, means It] - 43:3 mid -rise [4] - 27:5 59:13, 59:22, 6:22, 7:6, 7:14, 80:4, 80:5, 81:17 meant [i] - 73:6 36:15, 41:18 monitoring [1] - 59:23, 60:3, 60:6, 8 :8, 65:8, 66:8, marketwise Ill - measure pi - 68:6, 78:18 13:18 60:8, 60:11, 66:13, 66:17, 83:19 12:8 middle [3] - Montgomery [1] 60:12, 60:14, 66:22, 72:7, MARTIN (1] - 4:2 measuring [2] - 21:13, 35:8, - 10:1 61:5, 61:10, 75:18 Martin [2] - 4:2, 13:18 63:22 Morris [3] - 61:20, 62:2, Munns 11] - 3:15 5:5 meet [8] - 11:4, midwest [i] - 22:14, 22:17, 62:10, 62:13, Music ill - 71:17 MARTY p) - 2:5 12:4, 18:12, 39:7 27:16 62:14, 62:15, 42:13, 53:6, 53:8, might ' masonry [i] - 9 1 most [s] - 13:10 62:16, 62:18, , 62:20, 62:22, N 41:10 54:24, 83:7 15:5, 15:17, 20:7, 13:24, 19:13, massive [2] - MEETING (l] - 28:11, 29:14, 27:19, 34:233 63:3, 63:4, 63:5, 45:1, 52:4 1:8 29:19, 31:16, 73:23 63:7, 66:7, 66:12, name [4] - 9:1, master 12] - meeting [12] - 33:21, 52 Most - 10:7 66:15, 66:21, 40:21, 75:14, (] \ 66:24, 67:19, 83:9 36:1, 68:9 1:14, 6:14, 7:18, 59:17, 63:18, mostly (l] - 54:6 masters 11] - 7:19, 8:2, 8:3, 73:19, 79:10, motion [i] - 69:6, 69:10, nationwide [i] - 54:9 8:7, 8:11, 37:5, 83:18 90:17 69:16, 69:21, 75:15 49:14, 87:1, 87:5 MIKA 4:10 69:23, 70:13, native [i] - 21:3 match pl - [ ] move [V] - 22:2, 70:18, 70:21, Natural Ill - 88:10 meetings [3] - Mika [i] - 4:10 32:23, 37:23, 72:11, 73:5, 73:9, 25:13 max [2] - 67:5, 57:9, 57:16, Mike [i] - 5:19 46:19, 47:12, 73:12, 74:19, natural [61- 69:4 86:19 mile [i] - 34:6 73:21, 85:14, 75:9, 75:20, 15:5, 49:23, Max [i] - 49:14 meets (2) - 21:8, MILLER [15] - 87:7, 90:12, 76:11, 76:14, 64:10, 64:11, maximum Ill - 52:23 4:6, 24:15, 24:18, 90:16, 90:24 76:18, 77:4, 77:6, 64:18, 64:21 71:13 member(2] - 25:13, 25:17, moved [2] - 77:7, 77;16, near[ : 24:14, MAYOR 1481 - 37:22, 38:3 25:23, 39:17, 52:14, 90:19 77:23, 78:4, 25:21, 51:8, 64:6 2:2,3:1, 3:5, MEMBER [3e] - 41:14,56:3, moves [q - 53:2 79:13, 80:3, 82:9, neaten [1] - 3:23, 4:14, 4:16, 4:18, 5:12, 6:11, 62:10,62:14, Moving [2] - 83:2, 84:3, 84:7, 48:21 4:21, 6:13,6:19, 41:20, 41:23, 62:16, 62:20, 35:9, 36:7 84:23, 85:18, need 1231 - 6:21, 7:2, 7:4, 43:13, 43:16, 63:3, 63:5 moving [5] - 44:23, 45:2, 45:5, Miller 5 4:6, 85:21, 88:6, 12:11, 14:22, 7:15, 7:17, 7:23, [ ] - 53:1, 57:14, 58:8, I 88:23, 89:17, 18:23,21:21, 8:6, 8:10, 8:18, 45:7, 45:16, 39:15, 39:17, 86:23, 90:2 90:4, 90:10 27:5, 28:8, 28:9, 8:24, 23:21, 30:9, 46:11, 46:20, 56:4, 62:9 MR (1461 - 2:3, MS (411- 2:4, 32:7, 48:10, 53:6, 30:23, 31:22, 49:7, 52:18, million ill - 61:8 2:5, 2:8, 2:9, 2:10, 3:7, 3:9, 53:8, 57:13, 62:5, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i 9 71:7, 74:4, 74:11, 71:21 13:9, 27:1 8:15, 18:24, 85:5 12:12, 18:19, 78:21, 78:22, north [12l - Oddly [11- 39:6 30:15, 69:7, Park [51- 20:23, 33:12, 36:18, 81:19, 84:2, 24:14, 33:8, 34:4, OF [31- 1:4, 1:8, 78:14 27:18, 42:7, 39:2, 39:10, 44:1, 84:21, 85:1, 34:9, 36:10, 1:13 ordinances [51- 42:14, 86:11 44:15, 44:24, 90:12 38:14, 40:7, 43:7, off -site Ill - 79:9 18:2, 19:10, 78:6, parking [12) - 47:11, 55:10, needed [5] - 44:12, 46:18, offer p - 72:4 78:10, 79:4 37:22, 41:14, 55:13, 56:5, 20:19, 21:5, 47:10, 57:3 office Ill - 9:24 organizations 41:19, 44:4, 67:14, 68:13, 57:10, 75:17, north -south [11- officials 111 - [2] - 13:22, 14:1 44:19, 45:22, 70:10, 71:8, 83:23 34:9 19:11 Oswego [t1- 46:5, 47:2, 47:22, 71:22, 72:4, needs 13] - northeast [2] - on- the - ground 59:12 48:5, 51:11, 73:11, 73:16, 37:17, 52:7, 74:2 43:7, 86:1 [1] - 17 :12 outcomes [1] - 70:12 73:19, 74:7, negotiate p1- notes [31- once [2] - 12:11, 18:3 parks [61- 36:4, 74:20, 76:4, 44:3, 44:20, 29:10, 30:7, 15:20 outdoor[2] - 38:5, 85:4, 88:2, 77:10, 78:21, 47:18, 60:16, 31:16 one [34] - 7:6, 51:8, 51:11 88:4, 88:21 78:22 70:11, 80:10, nothing [2] - 7:11, 11:11, outreach [6] - Parks [11- 4:9 per 15] - 39:21, 83:23 65:24, 80:5 11:22, 15:8, 12:11, 15:11, parlay 11] - 40:2, 67:5, 68:22, negotiated [21- notice 121- 17:15, 19:13, 15:23, 17:21, 88:19 88:14 79:18, 80:7 37:24, 68:24 27:8, 29:20, 32:4, 17:24, 19:22 part [31- 9:22, percent [12] - 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19:22, 21:17, [1] - 11:14 21:24 23:11 23:18, protect (2) - 11:17, 13:14, 26:12, 26:16, pond (2] - 49:11, preserved Ill - 23:20, 24:22, 10:18, 14:19 20:20, 67:13 26:18, 27:6, 33:6, 51:6 51:3 25:21, 26:2, protecting [4) - quarry [iI - 50:6 50:23, 52:12, ponds [3] - preserving [2) - 34:11, 40:16, 9:12, 12:17, quarterh] - 57:18, 60:19, 45:19, 52:5, 21:22, 26:13 53:1, 55:21, 12:21, 14:22 34:6 61:22, 75:11, 64:22 pretty (5] - 75:23, 76:19, protection Ill - questioned [1] - 77:21, 88:11, pool [1] - 37:6 39:20, 39:23, 83:13, 83:14, 61:18 25:9 89:12, 89:21 pops [1) - 29:15 44:8, 57:20, 84:13 Protection [1] - questioning Ill Planned Ill - populated [il - 57:23, 66:20 Projected [1) - 11:2 - 53:17 33:5 50:16 prevent (2) - 56:8 proud [2) - questions [201 - planned (2) - population Ill - 13:16, 64:23 projecting It] - 40:18, 40:20 23:21, 23:24, 37:2, 41:2 79:1 previously Ill - 56:18 provide [5] - 31:23, 33:21, planner [2] - portion [5) - 89:11 projects [13) - 20:5, 22:14, 36:19, 38:10 5:22, 53:2 14:14, 15:15, prewired [l] - 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