Adhoc Committee for Rec Facility Minutes 2012 07-09-12
APPROVED 8/28/12
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
Ad Hoc Committee for Recreation Facility Alternatives
Committee Meeting
City Hall Conference Room
Monday, July 9, 2012
Call to Order:
Chairman Chris Funkhouser called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Establish a Quorum:
Present:
Chris Funkhouser, Chairman, Alderman
Jackie Milschewski, Alderman
Larry Kot, Alderman
George Gilson, Alderman
Deb Horaz, Park Board
Seaver Tarulis, Park Board
Amy Cesich, Park Board
City Officials Present:
Bart Olson, City Administrator
Other Guests:
Andrew Bobbitt, YMCA
Rebecca Mophey, YMCA
Brian Weiss, YMCA
Tony Scott, Record Newspaper
Lisa Peterson, Yorkville Resident
Judy Burks, Yorkville Resident
Don Burks, Yorkville Resident
Citizens Comments:
None.
Previous Minutes:
The minutes from the June 11, 2012 meeting were approved. Motion made by Larry Kot and seconded
by Jackie Milschewski.
New Business:
None.
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Old Business:
YMCA Partnership Options:
Alderman Funkhouser stated at the last meeting it was decided the
YMCA and the city staff would get together and create a proposal and there is a draft in front of the
committee for review tonight. Mr. Bobbitt stated he took an agreement and streamlined it - the numbers
still need to be firmed up and it is not yet complete, there needs to be additional discussions. Mr.
Bobbitt said a conversation can be started to work out the key points and details in the agreement.
Mr. Bobbitt said finances are the next critical thing that needs addressed. Mr. Bobbitt stated Bart Olson
and he have had discussions on the budget. Mr. Bobbitt said repairs, damage and equipment
replacements would have to be worked out, as to how that would be paid for. Mr. Bobbitt said if there
was a surplus or a loss, that would need to be worked out in the partnership.
Mr. Bobbitt stated as far as finances, the city needs a number they are looking at per month as a target.
He stated different factors could be looked at with water/sewer bills and rent etc. Bart Olson said that
target number is $17,500 per month. Bart Olson said this is a basic landlord/tenant agreement. Bart
stated currently it is structured for the YMCA to have control over operational expenses, if there is a
deficit, the city and YMCA split the difference the same with surplus.
Bart said city would be responsible for repairs, which is pretty standard. Bart said the concept on the
table is does the city want to give the YMCA operational control to manage the facility. Bart said a new
facility could not be paid for based upon the premise there would be no customer base, as there is
currently. The REC Center has a revenue coming in to sustain itself. Constructing a new facility would
raise taxes and would have to be a referendum.
Alderman Kot asked if the city buys the REC Center and agrees the YMCA will manage it, the YMCA
can walk away after five years. Alderman Funkhouser said he caught that too and he would not want
the city left on the hook for fifteen years. After five years, the members would have the choice to stay
with the YMCA or stay with the REC Center, which would be a challenge.
Mr. Bobbitt said when this was presented to the board, the board voiced concern about protection. Mr.
Bobbitt said the YMCA anticipates a long term relationship. Mr. Bobbitt said it wouldn't make sense to
have a five year relationship, but there is a risk and no guarantees, so the board was concerned if it is not
in the best interest in the YMCA, we wouldn't want to be locked in for 20 years.
Alderman Funkhouser said that is a concern for both sides. Deb Horaz said the maintenance is
concerning. Mr. Bobbitt said that needs to be a future discussion for dollar values etc. Brian Weiss
asked about the city finances and if there is not money for the facility, how do you have 4 million to
purchase the REC Center. Mr. Weiss asked if it makes more sense for the city to put the money into a
new facility or put it into a 20 year old building.
Mr. Weiss stated if it was him, he would want to partner on something new and not the 20 year old
building. Bart said there is an existing budget and an existing customer base and it is about breaking
even. Bart said there are risks involved in doing a new facility with unknown expenses and customer
base might not follow. Mr. Weiss said the maintenance and repairs will then be on the city. Bart said the
city estimated in the budget maintenance costs.
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Bart said the city is looking at the purchase agreement because there are few variables that will change.
Don Burks asked the question if the YMCA takes over programming what happens to the outside
programs the REC Center offers. Mr. Burks said a lot of the programs take place outside of the REC
Center. Bart said that is for the Park Board and City Council to decide. Bart said it would significantly
change the amount of programs that are offered.
Mr. Burks asked about a bond to build a new facility for 4 million what kind of tax would the residents
be looking at. Bart stated over a 20 year period $100 per year roughly or less. Mr. Burks suggested
that could be a possibility. Mr. Weiss said he feels more people will join a new facility that is state of the
art with more amenities. Mr. Burks asked if in November this could be put in the referendum for the
people to decide.
Bart said the referendum has to be approved by August, but it is possible. Mr. Burks asked if the city
can get a bond. Bart said yes it is possible. Mr. Burks said if there is a partnership with the YMCA, the
costs would be half. Mr. Bobbitt said the board feels a new facility can provide better services for the
community. Mr. Weiss said the board is only at this discussion because they want to do the best for the
community. Mr. Weiss said any option beneficial to the city, YMCA and residents is open for discussion.
Alderman Gilson said the referendum has been discussed in the past and he thinks the citizens should be
able to decide. Mr. Weiss said if the city does this on it's own, and the YMCA opens a new facility, we
are competing again. Alderman Kot said the agreement before the committee tonight states the YMCA
has no interest in being co-owners on the REC Center.
Mr. Bobbitt said yes that is what the board felt. Alderman Kot asked if the YMCA would want to be co-
owners on a new facility. Mr. Bobbitt said yes, the board likes that idea, but the finances on the city side
was holding back the idea. Alderman Funkhouser said the majority of the council is apprehensive on
moving forward on a new facility without the residents deciding.
Alderman Funkhouser said the operational partnership seems to not be getting very far. Alderman
Funkhouser said to get this on a referendum in November, we will have to work quickly. Alderman Kot
said these numbers and location will have to worked out in a very short amount of time.
Deb Horaz asked how the 50/50 partnership works. Mr. Bobbitt said other cities set it up if they were
to part ways, the building could be divided and operated separately. Deb voiced her concerns on who
runs what and who pays for things. Lisa Peterson asked how things would work if the members can use
all three YMCA's. Mr. Bobbitt said that would have to be outlined in the agreement.
The committee voiced concern on partnership. Mr. Bobbitt said he can research more on the 50/50
partnerships. Mr. Burks stated he likes the idea of partnering on a new facility. He stated more people
that he talks to don't feel it is a good idea for the city to purchase the REC Center.
The committee discussed if there is still money owed on the REC Center and if that would be a problem
if the city is to purchase the REC Center. Alderman Kot asked how other governmental entities, such as
the school district, would be affected by the loss of tax revenue since the YMCA and City are both
exempt on taxes. Bart said the tax issue will not affect any governmental body unless they decided to
reduce their levy the following year; it would just get redistributed to the taxpayers
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Alderman Kot asked how loosely can we word this on the referendum. Bart said non-binding it can be
very loose. Alderman Funkhouser said it could be done. Bart said for a binding one, it would be hard to
accomplish in a short amount of time. Bart said there are some city owned properties that are four to
five acres that would work for a facility. Alderman Gilson asked if the city can put this on referendum as
a 4 million bond to partnership with the YMCA to get a feel of what the residents want.
The committee discussed also adding the question of should the city purchase the REC Center onto the
ballot so the residents can decide. Alderman Funkhouser said a new facility is 24-30 months to build and
the city has one year until the current lease is up. Mrs. Burks said the YMCA could absorb some of the
programs for the kids. Mrs. Burks said the membership at the REC Center is more costly for families
than the YMCA.
Alderman Kot said if the city council agrees to go forward with the referendum, the city needs an
agreement with the YMCA that they want to do a joint venture before this is done. Alderman
Funkhouser asked if this committee wants to recommend to the council to move forward on this
partnership based on the results of the referendum. Mr. Bobbitt said the YMCA board showed interest
in this. Bart said there needs to be a dollar amount and potential property tax increase to put on the
referendum in the next couple weeks.
Amy Cesich said she is confused and asked Alderman Gilson about being against this because of money
and now he is in favor of a referendum. Alderman Gilson stated he doesn't want to purchase the REC
Center because it is a money pit. Amy asked Mr. Bobbitt if he would purchase the REC Center. Mr.
Bobbitt said the YMCA looked at it before and turned it down for many reasons.
Amy said new facilities are costly around 8 to 12 million dollars. Amy asked if the YMCA builds a new
facility themselves what is their cap? Mr. Bobbitt said that has not been determined yet. Amy said the
REC Center has revenue from memberships and from the businesses that rent in the building. Amy said
the city has a building that will create revenue for the city. Amy said she doesn't see why the city would
want to move forward on the referendum.
Alderman Funkhouser said that if we lose any of the tenants at the REC Center, the budget could be
blown. Alderman Funkhouser stated that is a big risk the city takes and it is an issue we need to be
concerned with. Alderman Gilson stated he would like the residents to decide if they want a REC
Center or not.
Alderman Funkhouser stated the new facility was always under consideration the city looked at it with
the schools. Lisa Peterson stated the residents need to be asked if the city should spend their money.
Lisa stated that if she is asked if the city should buy the REC Center, she would say no, but a new
facility, she would consider it because she feels the REC Center is not a good investment.
Alderman Milschewski asked if the city partners with the YMCA is it okay if the city doesn't have the
cash up front. Alderman Funkhouser said there are different options available to the YMCA and the city
would have to bond for their part. Deb asked if the city bonds will that keep the city from bonding for
things the city would need in the future. Bart said the city is way under the cap, so it would not be a
problem. Alderman Kot asked about going to referendum and delaying the decision another few months
will this affect the negotiating process with the Walkers.
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Bart said that is tough to say it might and might not. Bart said Mr. Walker can take offers, but not
solicit them. Deb asked what if the referendum gets turned down. Alderman Funkhouser said then the
city considers all the other options.
Amy asked what will the direction of Parks and Recreation be. Amy said this building encompasses a lot
of things, so if we are putting this on referendum, then why not ask the residents if they want a Park
District. Amy stated the issue has always been the residents don't want their taxes to go up. Lisa
Peterson said she is not comfortable with the private deal with the Walkers, the building is 18 years old,
the city already had to put in new air conditioning at the city's expense, and there are issues with the
roof. Ms. Peterson said the city needs to get rid of the REC Center all together.
Mr. Bobbitt stated the YMCA could provide savings to the city. The REC Center members are fitness
based. He said there are duplications in the budget where the city can save money by not operating the
REC Center. Mr. Bobbitt said the scholarships can save because as a charity, YMCA can solicit and find
those donors and the city doesn't have to provide that.
Mr. Bobbitt talked about different amenities that residents wanted in previous surveys and the costs.
Alderman Funkhouser said this is a policy decision for the city - does the city want Parks and Recreation
or just parks. Alderman Funkhouser said the city will always have parks and as recreation outdoor
athletics programs. Alderman Funkhouser said if we don't have the REC Center, it will cause programs
and staff cuts. Deb said you will decimate recreation in Yorkville.
Mr. Weiss asked what specifically Deb thought the residents of Yorkville will not have access to.
Alderman Funkhouser said if we don't have the REC Center, the YMCA will build a facility and will
offer all of those classes that would be lost. Mr. Weiss said they will offer Zumba, cheer, or whatever
the REC offers. Mr. Burks said by partnering with the YMCA it expands programs.
Alderman Kot asked about a committee consensus on the agreement before us tonight. Mr. Bobbitt said
the YMCA and staff worked together to bring this together tonight. Amy asked what is the YMCA's
preference co-manage the REC Center or build a new facility. Mr. Bobbitt said there is more traction by
the board to build a new facility and it makes more sense than the old. Mr. Weiss asked if money wasn't
an object, what would you rather do buy the old or build new. Amy said of course a new facility would
be great, but when the city has a revenue source and can offer all the programs, not cut staff and break
even or make a surplus why not use it.
Alderman Funkhouser said there are three things we need consensus from the committee on in front of
us. First, the proposal in front of us, second, a 50/50 venture which means a referendum and
recommend to the council to move forward and third, does the city want to look into the numbers on the
contract in front of us.
Amy said the referendum question depends on details. Alderman Funkhouser said the city will not stop
discussions or negotiations. Alderman Funkhouser said for now, we need to decide how we want to
move forward. Do we want to take this to council to move forward with a referendum. Alderman Kot
said the agreement before us is not in the best interest of the City of Yorkville and he doesn't want to
move ahead with it. Alderman Kot does support moving ahead with bringing the referendum before city
council provided the YMCA comes back with positive feedback from their board.
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Alderman Milschewski said she would like to see the results from a referendum. Amy said she agreed
with Alderman Kot the agreement before them tonight is not good for Yorkville. Amy said she would
like more information for a referendum and then she would agree with doing the referendum. Alderman
Funkhouser said it is a general poll. Committee agreed no on the proposal tonight. Committee agreed
to move forward on the referendum.
Alderman Kot said the contract before them tonight is a high risk because after five years the YMCA can
leave. Alderman Kot said if the city is going to buy the REC Center, the city will buy it and run it
ourselves. Mr. Bobbitt said if there are things the city doesn't like, it can be negotiated. Alderman
Milschewski said if the city buys the building, we already have staff and the city can run it.
Alderman Funkhouser said the consensus is to move forward with the referendum and send a
recommendation to council to move forward with a non-binding referendum on a joint venture with the
YMCA.
Adjournment:
Motion to adjourn made by Larry Kot and seconded by Jackie Milschewski. Meeting was adjourned at
8:53 p.m.
Minutes Respectfully Submitted by:
Lisa Godwin
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