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Public Safety Minutes 2003 04-24-03 APPROVED BY THE COMMI OARD Pagel of 3 ON �( UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE REVISED PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING THURSDAY,APRIL 24,2003 6:30 P.M. In Attendance: Alderman Larry Kot Alderman Paul James Alderwoman Rose Spears Alderman Mike Anderson Police Chief Harold Martin Guests: Attorney Kelly Kramer Residents Denise and Mike Kachlic Approval/Correction of Minutes There were none. Monthly Police Reports for March 2003 Chief Harold Martin reported that they had an increase in property damage and also damages to mailboxes. He said that the theft category went up with a few drive offs at Shell gas station. There were quite a few written warnings issued, a number of verbal warnings and the citations were exactly the same as last year at this time. He mentioned that they had maintained over-time again. Overtime has dropped considerately. The officer's who were at first concerned about 12 hour shifts now like the days off. Alderwoman Spears asked about the process of the police training. Chief Martin said that he is sending more of the officers to 40 hour classes. They will be doing some in house training at the same time. The 12 hour shifts allow for more training time. He said that they should be receiving a disc from NEMERT for the Juvenile officers training.They currently have 11 Juvenile officers in training out of 21.The disc cost$125 for the first person and then after that it is $75 per person. They can do this during their 12 hour shift. They will also be receiving a disc on homeland security training. Alderwoman Spears asked Chief Martin how they determine what training the officers receive. Chief Martin said that they determine that by speaking with the staff and sergeants.The sergeants give an indication of what the officers are interested in and they have also determined that every officer should be a juvenile officer. With most of the incidences being associated with juveniles it is good to have juvenile officers on hand. They will also be sending some officer to Evidence Tech(ET)training. Alderwoman Spears asked if Chief Martin had a list of any grants. He said that there are some grants through the government. He mentioned that they are still in the running for the Cops/Officer Grant. He filled out paper work that was sent to him regarding the grant and he hopes that will help them get it. They should hopefully hear back from that with in the next few months. Alderman Kot asked if they could seek a grant for the schools with the new additions that are being currently in the works. Chief Martin said that as long as they see a need and a place in Page 2 of 3 which an officer has to be. Right now he would not be able to put that request in because the need is not there at the moment. This item will go to COW on May 6, 2003. Alcohol Ordinance—Update Attorney Kelly Kramer stated that there were a few changes made given the input of various citizens in the business. Chief Martin said that they had received a letter from Bud Vorderer a customer of one of the local liquor stores and he thought that there shouldn't be a limit on the sampling of wine or beer. He is a wine enthusiast and said that ideally a sampling of wine is five eighths(5/8)of an ounce. He also pointed out that the wine that is sampled is returned into the glass and disposed of in a dump basket that is available on the tasting table. He mentioned that very little wine is ever consumed in this process. He felt that the ordinance should not reference a number. Business owner Denise Kachlic said that typically when they have a tasting event that is sponsored by the different manufacturers,they will usually send out 2 representatives for wine tasting. It is customary for them to taste out 8-10 bottles at that time. She felt that there shouldn't be a number to limit the sampling. She asked for clarification on the 30-day variance procedure. Attorney Kelly Kramer said that she had looked at a few different ordinances from a few different communities and that most of them do have a limited number, but then they file an application of \Jcxv ande va;ieas process through the Liquor Commissioner and so she put a provision in by that. She said —C.5GN the 30 days is when the Liquor Commissioner would get back to them which is more for the business owners protection rather than the City's protection. Mike Kachlic suggested for the committee to waive the application of variance to the Liquor Commissioner for the sampling of one single product. Anything beyond the one single product then would they would then seek a variance. Mrs. Kachlic added that it would take care of the constraint that is some times put on the industry when at times they do not get a month's notice from vendors. Attorney Kramer pointed out that that decision would be up to the staff as they do have concerns over the sampling of the liquor. Alderman James commented that he felt okay with the sampling of just one product without having to apply for a variance. Alderman Mike Anderson agreed. Alderman Kot agreed also but had concerns if this type of sampling would occur at any other retail business that sells liquor. Chief Martin added that as long as it's done in the designated area then there shouldn't be a problem. Alderman Anderson felt it should be pointed out that the businesses that sell and give samples of the liquor are responsible for administering liquor; distributing it and making sure rules are followed. Attorney Kramer pointed out that if business owners are in violation to it they are in subject to losing their liquor license. If the violate any of the provisions or variances that would give a reason to deny subsequent variances. Alderman Anderson asked what the limit was of the sampled products. Mr.Kachlic said that it would usually be about 20 with wine. If the Kachlic's felt that they would succeed that amount then they would seek a permit application. Alderman Kot asked if they could clarify the 4 ounce sampling to indicate that it is per serving. Attorney Kramer said that could be done. Page 3 of 3 Alderwoman Spears asked the Kachlic's if they would ever have more than 1 beer vendor at a time. Mr.Kachlic's said no. Attorney said that they could separate the wine from the beer. She suggested 10 for the beers and 20 for wine. The committee agreed but felt that 25 samples for wine would be a better number. Mr. Kachlic felt that 25 wouldn't be an unreasonable number as long as they would still be able to fill out a permit application if they felt that they would need to exceed that number. Attorney Kramer asked the committee if this rule should also apply to the Class A(bar owners). Alderman Anderson said that since they all hold liquor licenses then it should apply to them as well. Mr. Kachlic stated that sampling usually isn't something that bars do and that it shouldn't be a concern. Attorney Kramer said that she would fax out copies of the revised ordinance and have the committee look it over. She told the Kachlic's that it would be a good idea if they came to the next COW meeting to answer any questions the staff might have. This item will go to COW on May 6, 2003. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS: Chief Martin stated that with regards to City Engineer Joe Wywrot's letter about putting a dead end sign on John Street,that he felt it would be a good idea since it seems to be a major street in that area. Chief Martin will put in a request to the Department Head for the dead end sign. Alderwoman Rose Spears mentioned that she had spoken with Public Works Director Eric Dhuse about City Truck permits for over weights and over sized loads throughout Yorkville. She said that North Aurora gives permits for this. She said that there were good points and bad points. The problem is that Mr. Dhuse does not have any body on his staff that could issue these permits to the truck drivers. Mr. Dhuse also mentioned that it is a problem for police officers to take the time to do it also. She stressed that this was for informational only but felt it was something that aught to be considered in the future. Alderwoman Spears mentioned that she felt there should be another sign on Center Pkwy. She said that people fly right by with out stopping. Alderman James suggested putting in a 4-way stop in that area. Alderman Anderson agreed and thought that there should probably be an in house preliminary study done there. Chief Martin said he would speak with Joe Wywrot about what criteria would need to be met for that and bring back an update next month. Alderman Mike Anderson stated that this is his last meeting as an alderman as he has completed his term. He thanked the committee for all of their hard work, during his tenure. There was no further additional business. Meeting adjourned at 7:15. Minutes by Theresa Brady.