Public Safety Minutes 2003 03-27-03 APPROVED BY THE
COMMITTEE/BOARD
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE ON:�-O3
PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING
THURSDAY,MARCH 27,2003
6:30 P.M.
In attendance:
Alderman Mike Anderson Police Chief Harold Martin Alderwoman Rose Spears
Alderman Larry Kot City Attorney Kelly Kramer
Guests:
Attorney Melissa Maye Jill A. Plock
Denise Kachlic Mike Kachlic
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 by Chairman Anderson.
APPROVAL/CORRECTION OF MINUTES
January 23,2003 minutes were approved with correction of"resident"to"Attorney"classification for Kelly
Kramer,as seen under guests.
VAT &VINE
This coincides with the item 6 on the agenda. Proposed is the amendment from Class B to Class A,
instituting sampling at both establishments.
Attorney Melissa Maye,representing the owner of Vat and Vine, states she and her clients do not oppose the
ordinance. She made mention of# 1 D, E, G,which are incorrectly numbered. Four year Vat&Vine
manager,Jill Pluck, stated she has been in the business 17 yrs,has been involved in many tastings,always
assuring legal ages and consumption on the premises, provides a friendly atmosphere,and assures no legal
ramifications for the owners. She believes the tasting of a product is intricately intertwined with sales of the
product. Limiting of samples will limit revenue,which will, in turn affect revenue streams and taxes for
Yorkville. She asks the members of the committee to reconsider the ordinance amendment; suggesting that
1)a section of the store could be set aside for tasting and that 2)it be mandated that a member of
management(with a minimum number of staff be in attendance.
Owner Mike Kachlic suggests"tasting",usually targeting wine and beer consumers, does not promote
casual drinking, as typically only one ounce is served. Dump buckets and spittoons are available.
Invitations are sent out for wine tastings, oftentimes with a salesmen present at the open house, and Vat&
Vine has incorporated a wine club in Yorkville, generally supported by an older,professional membership.
He stated the ordinance makes mention that only three samples be available, and he suggested that, as many
as 15-25 bottles of wine, could(or may)be open at a successful tasting event. He suggests that Yorkville
residents are attending wine samplings in other communities and he would like to keep them spending
monies in Yorkville. Food is usually served at the events, and their business has never had a violation in
Yorkville. A tasting is a managed situation and carding is done by management. Mrs. Kachlic stresses the
experience of management staff,and assures they are providing community members with their desires. Mr.
&Mrs. Kachlic value being a part of the community, and want to meet their customers wishes,which they
feel is evidenced with 65 new members in their wine membership club. Mrs. Kachlic mentioned the
surrounding communities who are offering tasting events,and stated the issue they contest is small scale
tasting with a limited number of products(which in her opinion,does not address wine club membership
open houses, and special events,which are hosted typically before holidays). In response to a question by
Ms. Spears,Ms. Kachlic suggested that they will work with the city on the designated number of events
allowed per year.
Chairman Anderson suggested that the ordinance came into being with keeping control at Jewel Osco,
suggesting prior to the amendment,the city had no way of control.
Attorney Maye made issue with the following: 1) single designated premises would like to clarify saying a
"single designated premise"; 2)paragraph E-limiting wine and beer-she would like to add a special use
permit, given by city,which would allow spirits, stating her clients would be willing to charge serious
consumers for admission; 3) would like a special permit to put the city on notice that the tasting events
were happening, stating that her clients designed their buildout for consumer events for a wine club;
4) limiting two ounces is not a problem, 5) limiting three or less sample- would like city to allow special
use permit.
Ms. Maye stated evidence of ordinances: 1)Plainfield permits tasting with permission and no limits on the
number of open bottles, 2)Naperville permits tasting once a month for three days/or once a week for no
more than two days(for certain types of business), 3) Sugar Grove allows tasting with a city permit,and 4)
St. Charles permits consumption at winery(with no less than 13 ozs). She suggests the proposed
amendment states her clients would be limited,based on the selling tool they have designed. She believes
this is a"uniform statue"and that they would like to tailor it more specifically,to the needs of her clients.
Alderman Anderson stated Class"A"has been passed by the council, suggesting that the Vat&Vine now
bring their concerns to the council. He is not opposed to a tailor made ordinance for`B",and Attorney
Kramer believes we should tailor language in reference to location on the premises,possibly limiting it to a
contiguous location. Ms. Kramer will prepare new language for next meeting,and will be in contact with
Ms. Maye,putting together new language. The beer and wine language is in reference to the state statue.
The city council agreed on"no liquor", and argument may be presented to council. The city ordinance can
be stricter that the state law. The committee believes the special permit would be a useful tool.
Proposed changes will be presented by Attorney Kramer to this committee at the April meeting.
MONTHLY POLICE REPORTS FOR FEBRUARY 2003
Committee members looked over the reports,with notice that overtime has been at a minimum. These will
be passed on to the consent agenda.
2002 YEARLY POLICE REPORT
Chief Martin gave special thanks to the historian/public information/secretary, Cherese Spears,for her work
on the report. This will go to COW on April 15''.
TRAFFIC SIGNAL-ROUTE 34 & GAME FARM ROAD
Chief Martin said this has been discussed at COW, IDOT has been contacted, and made reference to letter
dated March 7,2003. Mayor Prochaska suggested getting it funded,putting up the light for eastbound
travelers, and then check with IDOT for payment assistance. Chief Martin will provide more detailed
information concerning the cost at the next public safety meeting,and whether MOT can assist. Alderman
Kot reiterated that this was a time sensitive issue,and the committee is recommending this item go to
COW on April 2na
REQUEST TO REPLACE OFFICER TERMINATED ON 3/12/03
The committee approves going forward with a replacement. Chief Martin has a new list with the orals taken
on April 5t'. He anticipates at May I'deadline,with a 6-month"on the street"availability for the
new hire. This item will go to the police commission, and the COW will be made aware, given the rotation
of a detective into this shift,and the potential for additional overtime.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Alderman Kot will check into the entrance light at Vat&Vine property on West Veterans.
Meeting adjourned at 7:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Annette Williams