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Public Works Minutes 2000 07-17-00 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE MEETING JULY 17', 2040 6:45 P.M. Members Present: Art Prochaska Richard Sticka Larry Kot Tom Sowinski Dave Dockstader Staff: Joe Wywrot J.T. Johnson Guests: Jeff Freeman Pete Weller Verne Henne ENGINEERING ENTERPRISESMADIL�IVI Mr. Weller from Engineering Enterprises stated that he had revisions since the last meeting, and that these should be finalized Thursday. He has pages revised for the handouts, which describe the options, and that he could bring back a new book on Thursday, or just insert the pages into the previous book. He also discussed funding for the north zone sewer, and has a meeting scheduled with Mr. Nanninga on the W The sewer issues are based on the wall map, with emphasis on Galena road and Rt. 47 (upper quadrant). He stated that the 8"gravity sewer is not feasible, and there is no final ruling yet from EPA. Alderman Kot asked how long this would take. Mr. -Wallers made a call and reported back that there was 2 weeks for an answer. The decision was to proceed as outlined. He then asked Art if that was acceptable. Mayor Prochaska agreed. Mr. Weller then stated again that there was a few changes or revisions from the draft. He proceeded to hand out the new material. Chairman Sowinski stated that we should insert the handouts into the ones we already have. Mr. Weller then stated that there were some changes, and asked his partner Jeff to describe them as follows. Mr. Freeman, also from Engineering Enterprises, stated the 3rd phase is moved to the 1`4 phase. All improvements would be added to the north tower. As for others, including financing, there were some changed tables, as well as additional columns in the areas where we discussed the storage tanks. The City wants these ASAP. He then stated that -L f 1 , the tables in section 8 had been changed, and that the plan had been implemented. He then compared them, as everyone began to observe section 8. Mr. Freeman then discussed the annual water cost, which in the first column with the current grant, would be 2 million from additional funding. He then stated that we are talking about the capital costs, and that they are similar. He then turned to page 149, in which he discussed the rates computed, based on the money values. These were computed on 1999 usage, and they were adjusted at that time. He then turned to page 142, in which he discussed the rates computed for supply, treatment, and controls. Projected was $50,000 for the annual improvements. Mr. Weller then went through different alternatives. He stated that the relationship of developers to donate the land for loan quantities is preferred. He stated that we want to get as much approved by the EPA as we can. This is our focus. Once the low interest loan is approved, we don't have to use it. He then discussed the advantages and disadvantages of bonds. Chairman Sowinski then asked what do you recommend. Mr. Weller stated the low interest loan money is the first way we would go, being that the interest rates are low. Everything may not get approved, but that's where the grant from Hastert comes in. Alderman Sticka wanted an explanation regarding pg. 137. He asked if the bottom table is inclusive or strictly storage improvements? Mr.Freeman stated that it is combined. Mayor Prochaska stated that the bottom line gives it all together. Mr.Freeman then stated that table 2 computed rates are shown on individual basis. Mayor Prochaska stated that it is big money, but not any additional, only an increase. Mr.Freeman agreed. Mayor Prochaska stated that it was $220,000 annually to run it. Alderman Sticka stated that it was not including storage. Alderman Kot asked could you provide a direction and assistance. Mr. Weller stated that it was more a political issue, but is pursued by the Council and Mayor, and he gave his support. Alderman Kot then asked what programs were out there. 011. A Mayor Prochaska asked if we are eligible. Mr. Weller stated that the state program in Illinois is key; and member initiative. He stated that meeting with state senators can be successful. " When you get to the federal level, then it's Hastert's." Mayor Prochaska asked if there were any matching programs, like 50/50. Mr. Wywrot stated that Hastert's program is. Alderman Kot stated that he had concerns about the projective water rates-142 0/o-- even though it's a raw number. Mayor Prochaska stated that Mr. Nanninga has worked on the dollar amounts. Alderman Kot stated that the public needs to know that we are seeking this. Mayor Prochaska stated that it is federally mandated. Alderman Kot stated that the public would blame us for the increase. Mayor Prochaska then stated that we are being mandated to do this, and there is very little funding. He stated that we should talk to the constituents for help. Alderman Sticka stated that we need to be responsible. If you look into other communities, Yorkville is considerably less in comparison. Mayor Prochaska stated that it would be an educational process for the citizens. He then stated that he had seen it in the newsletter. Mr. Freeman stated that it was of the typical user. Mr. Weller then stated that this is the worst case scenario, and that this was at the high end. Chairman Sowinski stated that it's the federal government. Alderman Sticka then stated that it is required by mandate. Mr. Weller then stated that we are doing the right things, and that the costs are broken down to show room for improvement. Alderman Kot stated that he was still concerned. Mayor Prochaska stated that it was a good point, and that the maximum doesn't mean that it's final. We want to look for more money, etc. 3 Alderman Sticka stated that commercial development is a benefit through this. Mr. Weller asked would it help if we noted the range of the increase to soften it. Mayor Prochaska stated that we should say, It is up to", and could be anything less than that. We don't know. Alderman Sticka agreed. Mayor Prochaska then stated that it was an opinion of the maximum limit. Chairman Sowinski said that we'd make the change. Mr. Freeman then stated that section 9, in regards to the revisions, talked about adjustments made to the phasing schedule, and was consistent with the last meeting. He stated that Mr. Nanninga requested it. Mr. Freeman also stated that it was somewhat confusing. In March, 2001, IEPA pre- approved the submitted projects. From October to March it will be working on an `intended use plan'. Mayor Prochaska asked if we start in January, and use some of the money that Hastert got, are we able to reimburse the money. Mr. Weller stated that he believed so. Mayor Prochaska stated that we could start by January of 2001. Alderman Sticka asked if the money had to be spent specifically. Mayor Prochaska stated yes. Mr.Freeman stated that you cannot reimburse the dollars, but design engineering is fronted and then paid back. Chairman Sowinski stated that we should go with option 2, then. Mayor Prochaska agreed, and said that the first option is into 2003, which means three years away for the tower. We need to get developed areas up to the north. Some revenue may be funneled into the project. Mr. Wywrot asked if it should go to COW for documentation. Mayor Prochaska stated that it should. i h i Mr,. Weller then asked if he should make a presentation then. Chairman Sowinski stated that you would be preferred, with going over the abbreviated highlights. Mr. Weller agreed. Alderman Sticka then asked if these new page revisions would be put into the old books. Mr. Weller stated that he agreed. Mr.Freeman then stated that Bristol issued a letter. Mr. Johnson stated yes, and basically, they want more studies done and sampling done. Mayor Prochaska stated that the issue carne up at the meeting, and it wasn't resolved. Mayor Prohaska then said the points were that Ralph Pfister said we need to find a way so that everything remains level. He didn't want up-and-down levels, and no concentrations. He wanted an even flow. Mr. Johnson stated that he was talking about radium and iron, because there is more water being pumped. Mayor Prochaska stated that Ralph said there wasn't a lot of iron in the water. He wanted to treat it now, and wondered how it would affect the pipes. Mr. Freeman explained they had concerns over where it is now—in the receiving stream, or in the biosolids. He stated that there is very limited information on the subject, and there are different views based on who would do the studies. It will change depending on the treatment of it. He stated that there could be samples taken at the head of the plant, the affluent, and then the mass balance. He stated that the Fox River has a large base flow in regards to the radium. He then stated that Mr. Pfister was currently taking the biosolids to a landfill, which costs 25%more to do. Alderman Sticka stated that it simplifies the paperwork, and stated that the landfill is nice. Mr. Freeman agreed. He stated that it reduces the units needed for storing it and they are planning to change the treatment to the new system. He stated that they want class A biosolids, and that class B was not as good. Class A can be sold as fertilizer, and that's there intention. Mayor Prochaska stated that the members of the board are invited on Thursday. Mr. Weller stated that we need an agreement on this. 2r Chairman Sowinski asked if this could be a problem. Mr.Freeman stated that he was not sure. Mayor Prochaska stated the bigger point was the timing with their expansion. They had submitted it in 1988, and it takes 2 years to build. Mayor Prochaska also stated that it went through the engineer, and it takes 5 years from the time of application to construction. They need to get the approval. Chairman Sowinski stated that we need to agree. Mr. Weller stated that the EPA would sign off on this. Mayor Prochaska asked will it be delayed, and can there be the upgrade before we do this. Mr.Freeman stated that there could be nothing done to decrease the radium, now and with the expansion. Mayor Prochaska asked if it will go to the same people. Mr. Weller then asked what the backwash requirement was. Mr. Freeman stated that it was 12,000gallons/day, or 5%overall. Alderman Kot asked about the residents with water softeners. Mr. Freeman stated that they hold the radium and then discharge it back through the sanitary sewer. He then stated that it is released throughout the day, but it will be better, The amount of salt will be less, etc. Mr. Weller stated that there was no change—that mass balance doesn't mean change. Mr. Freeman stated that it was 30,000gallons/day, or regeneration being .030, which is a small number. Alderman Sticka stated to analyze the letter. Mr. Freeman agreed, and stated that there would be a discussion on Thursday. CITY HALL AIR CONDITIONING Mr. Wywrot stated that the units were running in the cold air, causing the air to run. The problem is the crank case heater, which will cost $1,600. 6 Alderman Sticka stated that we have 6 units running periodically. Mr. Wywrot stated that the system is balanced from body heat that is given off. The original bid of the crank case heaters were in the specs, but then were deleted. Mayor Prochaska asked if we could run the blowers, and stated that the heat generated was enough. He then asked if it should be unplugged for the winter. Mr. Wywrot stated that he would get the specifics, and stated that without the air, the system would destroy itself. Alderman Sticka stated that it was hard to believe that we had to run the air in the winter. Mayor Prochaska asked if our furnaces were running. Mr. Wywrot stated that this is the problem, and that it is a modern system not used for a house. He stated that he would get a quote, and we need to talk about the foyer being heated effectively. Chairman Sowinski asked should it be inclusive in warranty, and wondered if it was a design flaw. Alderman Sticka said that we would end up in court over this. Mr. Wywrot then stated that it was not worth it. Mr. Johnson stated that the City would be fighting the insurance company. Alderman Kot stated that we'd be paying for this. Mr. Wywrot stated he would speak with AMSCO and ask if they would fix it for no additional cost, but stated that they never sent us a bill for review. He stated then that they would realize that they had never sent us a bill if we asked. He then stated that an easier option would be to fix it with double doors opening and closing. Chairman Sowinski asked if we could tap a trunk to the furnace. Mr. Wywrot explained that it is tied into a zone for the police department. Alderman Kot explained that it was heating two environments. Chairman Sowinski stated that we could run a flexible pipe. Mayor Prochaska stated that it was all in the office space, and that it was electric. Mr. Wywrot stated again that he would get more information on this. Mayor Prochaska stated that we might be better getting a space heater. FOX HILL OPEN SPACE MAINTENANCE Mr. Wywrot stated that it has to do with a homeowner off of Cottonwood Trail, and it is supposed to be a pedestrian trail, but was never built. The homeowner wants to see it ready. Mayor Prochaska agreed, and asked if the sidewalk was missing. Mr. Wywrot stated yes it was. Mayor Prochaska then stated that we should get hold of Paul Dresden about the sidewalks connecting. Mr. Wywrot stated that we called him, but he's hot and cold on the issue. He was to have a meeting with Eric and Scott regarding Rob Roy Park, but never showed. Mayor Prochaska stated that the road was not finished yet, and Mr. Wywrot agreed. Mr. Wywrot then stated that the patching had been done, but there was no letter yet. The letter of credit expired in 1994. Mayor Prochaska stated that there would be no talk until that goes. He has to show movement, and that the people are already living in the subdivision. Mr. Wywrot said that J.T. called about the streetlights, and he never did get in touch. Com Ed won't come until that. Mr. Johnson agreed, and said that they need streetlights. Mayor Prochaska asked if the ordinance allowed for residences without streetlights. Mr. Wywrot stated no, that this is `grandfathered' land. Mayor Prochaska stated that he wanted a meeting and there will be no permits issued until all of this is figured out. He also stated that residents were complaining. He also stated that he would talk to Dan Kramer about the matter. Mr. Wywrot stated that he sent a letter out to Mr. Nanninga, Mr. Johnson, and himself. Mr. Johnson stated that possibly he wants a confrontation. Chairman Sowinski asked if you documented these things. V Mr.Johnson stated that we can when he doesn't show up for meetings. I told him when we could fix the b-boxes, and he hasn't responded. Chairman Sowinski stated let's get a meeting. FOX HILLXMT 4, BOND REDUCTION NO. 2 This item has been tabled. FOX INDUSTRIAL PARK PAVING PROJECT Mr. Wywrot stated that he did the cost estimate, and it was within 10-20%. The cost of rebuilding the roads using the same method as Beaver Street would be $330,000 to do it. Chairman Sowinski asked if the truck weight would be o.k. Mr. IvVywrot said yes. Mayor Prochaska stated that he had talked with the person from DECCA, and he guaranteed the loan on MFP. He suggested that we contact the property owners and identify the boundaries, as well as all other taxing bodies. TIFF sets a base off of this. All taxes collected can be used. They would set the base, (the city's portion is 12 0,40), and additional money goes towards pay off. It would cost us about$30,500,y ear, on a 20- year note. The anticipated revenue is $45,000 more. Mr. Wywrot stated that the streets might be ready in 15 years. Mayor Prochaska stated that any improvements would help fund this project. Mayor Prochaska also stated that the upgrading of general funds for streets has come a long way. We have someone talking to Stan at the bank wondering about expansion. Mr. Wywrot stated that the field tax project is Colonial Parkway, but we could do the industrial park. Alderman Kot asked if it would be stated of the art. Mr. Wywrot stated yes, that it would be rebuilding it. Mayor Prohaska added that people are debating if they should stay. Alderman Sticka added that it was not impressive. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that some buildings have structural problems, also. 9 Mr. Wywrot stated that inunediate action takes approximately two years. Mayor Prochaska stated that we don't have to do TIFF, though. Mr. Wywrot explained that if we go ahead, we'd see decreased revenue from TIFF. Mayor Prochaska stated that we have to re-asses the property. Vice Chairman Dockstader asked what the price was before. Mayor Prochaska stated that it was $540,000. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that it was in terrible shape. Mr. Johnson said that the sewer project comes into play with construction. Chairman Sowinski asked what the next step would be. Mayor Prochaska stated that we should decide about TIFF. Chairman Sowinski asked if we had contacted the owner yet regarding this. Mr. Wywrot said no. Mayor Prochaska stated that we are not cutting into a five-year schedule, and we'll use the increase of value to free dollars. We're going to lose business in there. Chairman Sowinski stated that he is in favor of it but the residents will complain. Mayor Prochaska stated that we'd lose business, though. Chairman Sowinski stated that it was a no-win situation. Mayor Prochaska stated that we are not taking dollars away from fixing other streets. Chairman Sowinski agreed. Alderman Sticka stated that the school fights these. Vice Chairman Dockstader said that we should argue with them on that. We might lose businesses coming in, also. This employs people from the town, and brings in jobs. Mayor Prochaska stated that business will expand over this. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that heavier industry is no longer in there-50%less. 10 Mayor Prochaska stated that it would be discussed tomorrow evening, and he would talk with Don to see what it's all about. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that we need a structural meeting. Mayor Prochaska said that we will get letters put together for the cost and we'll contact property owners. He then asked Mr. Wywrot if he could put together a schedule for spring construction. Mr. IVywrot stated yes. Mayor Prochaska stated that if it worked, we would use it again for the downtown area. PROPOSED COUNTRYSIDE SUBDIVISION PAVING PROJECT Mr. Wywrot explained that the cost estimate was not on the quantity, but on the average per square yard, totaling $700,000. Alderman Kot asked if the roads were that bad. Mr. Wywrot stated yes, and that every year we'll do culdesacs. Chairman Sowinski stated that it is sand sealed, and asked why it is bad. Mr. Johnson said that's how it is, and the design life of the road is 15-20 years maximum. Mayor Prochaska asked how many homes there are. Mr. Wywrot stated that there are 230-plus homes, not including the non-residential. We should pay it back over 10 years, and go with a SSA. Alderman K.ot asked if it was a one-time assessment for 10 years. Mr. Wywrot stated yes, and figure out the property taxes increase over 10 years, which we'll discuss in August. COUNTRYSIDE PARKWAY BAPROVEMENTS/CHANGE ORDER#1 Mr. Wywrot stated that the net decreased $1,800. He then asked if it could go to COV4', and allow filing the paperwork with IDOT. Everyone agreed. PUBLIC SIDEWALKS/405 & 407 WEST CENTER Mr. Wywrot explained that he had a request from homeowner who works for a concrete company if he could replace the sidewalk. If it goes o.k, we'd give him the cost of the public sidewalk program—either that, or ask him what 60%of his cost was. Alderman Kot asked if we had turned anyone away from that. Mr. Wywrot explained that no, we had extra. Alderman Kot then stated as long as the money isn't used up. Vice Chairman Dockstader added that we should document this on paper. Chairman Sowinski stated that we can give him a price from ours. Mr. Johnson stated that he would be paying the going rate. Mr. Wywrot stated that we'd give him the option; whichever is less. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS Mr.Henne discussed the sidewalks on Fox Street. He stated that trees had been cut down, but still there was no sidewalk. He also stated that he had measured 15' of positive sidewalk. Mr. Alywrot stated that he was aware of this, and the drive goes to the north, which is a public road. Mr.Henne stated that he had taken the length of both sides. Mr. Wywrot asked if this could pose a future problem. Mr.Henne stated yes. Mr. Wywrot stated that there should be a discussion on where this is. Alderman Sticka stated that he couldn't visualize this, and asked Mr. Wywrot to draw it. Mr. Wywrot explained where the existing sidewalks are on the map. Alderman Kot asked if it was a public road. Mayor Prochaska stated yes, and that these were old lots. It is a no-name street. Alderman Sticka asked if it was likely to be built upon. Mr. Henne stated that these were deep lots. Chairman Sowinski asked what the recommendation would be. Mr. Wywrot stated that it would be better to fill in. Chairman Sowinski stated let's complete the sidewalk. Mayor Prochaska stated that it would be equal amounts, that the sidewalks would be put in and completed to Heustis Street. He stated that there would still be a gap, though, and that it was not owned by Mr. Henne. Alderman Kot asked if it was O.K.'d by the residents. Mr. Henne stated yes. Mayor Prochaska stated that it was important to have a pedestrian route at the light on Fox Street. There is no walk sign, but a crossing spot. Mr. Henne stated that he would run it to the end, and then you'd do the others when you can. Mr. Wywrot stated that that would be o.k, that Mr. Henne does Fox Street completed to the corner, and the City would do the no-name road. Alderman Sticka stated that trucks had been seen parked by the Cozy Corner restaurant, and said that it looked as if the trucks were being left there overnight, as a drop-off station. Alderman Kot asked if they had been given permission. Alderman Sticka replied by saying that this is not a crisis. Mayor Prochaska stated that the development on the north side of the Business Park—the injector pump on the spec building—was being talked with by Inland. There is a meeting proposed for July 31, at 7:00 p.m.with the sanitation district about fees, etc. We had talked about the Emron property, and we request they come up with an annexation agreement with the sanitary district. Mayor Prochaska then asked if we got the copies of letters on wards 3 and 4 pertaining to the streets. Chairman Sowinski stated yes, as well as Mr. Johnson. Chairman Sowinski then asked if the pothole at Countryside had been fixed, and Mr. Johnson stated yes, that it had been fixed today. Alderman Kot stated that some streets, such as Mill, had no shoulder, and was filled in with gravel. There were still rough areas. He then gave Mr. Johnson the list. Mr. Johnson said that one's tough, and we'll see what we can do. Alderman Kot then asked if State street had been started, and Mr. Johnson replied that it was barricaded today, and will be fixed by the end of the week. Mayor Prochaska stated that he called Dave Schmelzle to let him know this. Alderman Sticka stated that the money spent on his street wasn't worth it. "It doesn't look like anything has been done". Mr. Wywrot responded saying that it fills in cracks, and sheds water more quickly, and he has photographs showing others. Alderman Sticka stated that he sees lots of indentations in the pavement. Mr. Wywrot explained that it sheds the water. Alderman Sticka stated that I understand, but it doesn't look well. Mr. Wywrot stated that it replaces asphalt compounds. He also stated that the selling point is not what you see visually, but the slow of the deterioration, or what you don't see. Vice Chairman Dockstader asked about the parks, and if there was a communication breakdown. Chairman Sowinski stated that there are new activities, and the recreation director has no time for them. Was this privatizing the recreation department? Vice Chairman Dockstader stated yes, and we need to look into it. Mr. Johnson stated that Sue does the baseball and soccer setups. Chairman Sowinski asked if there has been any increase in those. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that we hired people to do the soccer program. Mr. Wywrot added that she is involved in the skate park, also. Chairman Sowinski asked whom does she report to. Mayor Prochaska stated the administration and himself. We talked about increasing the activities, but would we then be turning people away. Vice Chairman Sowinski stated that there are not enough people for soccer, etc., and there has been no follow-through. We heard from the residents that there was money coming back. Alderman Kot asked what does the park board say, and added that there was a breakdown somewhere. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that we don't have an abundance of programs. Mayor Prochaska stated now we have a park time person. Alderman Kot added that we have volunteers to help out. Mr.Johnson stated that she has been working on the skate park. Alderman Kot stated that who would do it if she doesn't. Mayor Prochaska stated that there is a letter from the park board saying she is doing the trail layouts. Alderman Kot asked then what is her position. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated that there is a different makeup for the park board nowadays. Mr. Johnson added that Mr.Nanninga needs to be given direction on this also. Mayor Prochaska stated that we have to watch out what everyone does in "public works". She might have different issues, and she should not be the lead person on parks but an input person. Chairman Sowinski asked didn't she look at safety town. Mr. Johnson stated we took it over two months ago. Mayor Prochaska stated she needs to have an input. She spends time researching trails according to the letter. This should be from the parks. Chairman Sowinski raised the question of 8' or 10'trails. /jr r Mayor Prochaska stated that the Council voted on the 10' trails. Ifyou don't want it then let's change it. We have to get it worked out. We have to support it. Mr. Johnson stated it was hard to bend the rules. Mayor Prochaska stated possibly they'd be giving a presentation on this. Chairman Sowinski stated I recommend that it go to COW. Mayor Prochaska stated this is a communication problem here. They are going by ordinances of the City Council. Chairman Sowinski stated Richard Marker had S' trails, and that's what they're upset about. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated the parks person—where should we go on this. Mayor Prochaska stated we need another person to put for the neat step up, with qualifications of parks and recreation director. Vice Chairman Dockstader stated the parks side is still open, though. The parks position hasn't been filled vet. Mayor Prochaska stated possibly a `working supervisor', a superintendent responsible for planning, expansion, etc. The problem is that we need administrative on top; someone who is responsible for the planning, financing, budgeting, etc. If we decide to the parks and recreation director, then the level for what we squire one-down would be less. Chairman Sowinski asked what about a consultant to do that. Mayor Prochaska asked what about an on-staff person here, in the office, full time. Vice Chairman Dockstader added or works with the recreation director, even at the "1" or Club 47. He then asked are we paying Sue for these areas. Mayor Prochaska stated to identify two positions is step one, step two being the money amounts. Mr. Johnson stated it doesn't make a difference. You won't find a town with two men that makes the parks look that great. Alderman Kot stated we need to have a proposed table of organization. We need input from the staff and from the Council. Vice Chairman Dockstader asked if the park board had discussed this. A Mayor Prochaska stated he wants input from the park board on this. We need to create these positions. Mice Chairman Dockstader stated we need to look at other towns. Mr. Wywrot then stated that we received a letter from EPA,about passing ordinances regarding well 5. We need to get ordinances going on wells 3 and 4. We received a second letter from Ralph asking the City to help pay for the cost for treatment expansion. Mayor Prochaska stated we put it on, and the budget passed. Mr. Wywrot stated that he's asking and not demanding. Mayor Prochaska stated if they don't do it, we don't grow. Mr. Wywrot added that we should limit it. Mayor Prochaska stated that we need verification first, and then they pay. Mr. Wywrot asked do you want a copy for the plan. Mr. Johnson stated yes. Chairman Sowinski stated that we should go forward to COW. Chairman Sowinski then added that the park board has a vehicle policy now. Mayor Prochaska stated that they should submit it then. Chairman Sowinski stated that each department will have a breakdown, and could Sue send one here. Mr. Johnson stated yes. Chairman Sowinski then asked about the roof for the skate park. Mr. Johnson stated Tony said today that they were leaning towards donating the pole barn for it. Chairman Sowinski stated that Thursday Mr. Nanninga animated about getting the building, and then asked if it could be used for storage. Mr. Johnson stated I have seen pictures, but not dimensions. Chairman Sowinski stated with regards to the roof, take the joyces out. /4711 f w s r Mayor Prochaska stated that they have shingles, and that he doesn't know the construction method for it. Mayor Prochaska stated that no one knows what this costs; maybe at a reduced rate as a tax write-off. We are getting options on land. Chairman Sowinski stated they need to put together their plan, then. If the money is still not there for it, then we should find the dollars in other ways to get the balance. Mr. Johnson then stated that it was 20-25 acres on Greenbriar road. Vice Chairman Dockstader asked what about the land behind the school. The school is worried about expansion, though. Mr. Johnson stated there is an immediate need over 2-3 years. Chairman Sowinski asked about Barry Niles and Prairie Gardens, regarding donations. Mayor Prochaska asked if it was written into agreement. Mr. Wywrot stated yes, on COW Wenda this week. Chairman Sowinski asked how do you feel about the trail, and stated that it is not on a city ordinance. Alderman Sticka then stated change the ordinance. Chairman Sowinski asked to wait until you hear everything on it first. Alderman Sticka asked why we need it. Mr. Johnson stated that he supported the 10' trail, and that it would get heavy use. Alderman Sticka stated he had never walked on a 10' trail, and you cannot find them. Mr. Johnson then stated we get the standard from Oswego, and it's the federal standard. Chairman Sowinski asked if we could see it in writing. Mr. Johnson stated that you could find it in the computer. Mayor Prochaska added that it is similar to the streets when you get into the neighborhoods. Mr. Johnson stated that it benefits seniors, and they are a big chunk of the community. 14Y Mayor Prochaska stated there are covenants on this, and that's why the council sent it back. Mr. Johnson asked if these things are in legal documents. Mayor Prochaska stated the recreation board needs to get back on track, and the Council needs to decide. Meeting adjourned 10:30 p.m. Minutes by Lisa Sleezer