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Plan Commission Minutes 1993 11-17-93 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM NOVEMBER 17, 1993 7:00 P.M. The November meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Chairman Harold Feltz with the following members in attendance: Harold Feltz, George Stewart, Clarence Holdiman, Don Ament, Sandra Adams, Michael Crouch, Tom Lindbloom, Ralph Pfister, Anne Lucietto, Buck Kolkmeyer; Bob Davidson. Others Present: Alderman Prochaska, Alderman Baker, Attorney Kramer, Mayor Kittoe, Administrator/Engineer Don Peck, Alderman Jones, Alderman Stafford, Alderman Callmer, City Planner Jeff Palmquist and the interested citizens listed on file with the minutes. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any additions or corrections to be made on the October minutes. Tom Lindbloom stated he would like on page 8 after the motion of rezoning on PC93-16 to be indexed "Other Business" . and on page 9 after the statement made by Chairman Feltz on the timeliness of information be indexed "PC93-19 Oliver & Niles" . Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further additions or corrections to be made. Hearing none, the motion was made to approve the amended minutes by Tom Lindbloom; seconded Sandra Adams. Voice vote carried. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to welcome Ralph Pfister to the Plan Commission, he will represent the Yorkville Bristol Sanitary District. PC93-19 - Annex & Rezone to R-2 - Oliver and Niles Chairman Feltz stated there was a meeting between the Bristol Township Planning Commission and I would like to have a report from Dave Pawlowski on that meeting. Dave Pawlowski stated the following concerns and recommendations on this property. y Plan Commission Minutes November 17, 1993 Page 2 1. No exist on Corneils Road or West Street. 2 . Yorkville should look into professional engineering paid by developer into long term water runoff due to development of homes 5-10-20 years down the road. a) Conduct Natural Resources Inventory N.R.I . on file with Yorkville. 3.. Two (2) entrances off Cannonball Trail north similar to Storybook Subdivision on Galena Road. 4 . Research water and sewer expense to be paid by the homeowner in the subdivision on a monthly rate similar to Boulder Hill, Presbury subdivisions and keep development rural. 5. No back yard facing on Cannonball Trail without landscape brumming also no fencing of yards on Cannonball Trail. 6. Development should have one (1) acre lots conforming to surrounding development, i.e. Willowbrook, Storybook, Blackberry Oaks, Bristol Lakes and Corneils Road. 7 . No Duplexes or Multi-Family housing in keeping with surrounding area. 8. Run-off pond should have decorative fencing to protect children. Parks and play areas should be enlarged from previous plans. 9 . Planting of trees should be in the entire area parks and etc. rather than just on parking areas. 10 . Also concerns about traffic and impact on local schools with over development. Bob Davidson asked why they did not want on exist on Corneils Road. Dave Pawlowski stated the road is not adequately wide enough for two large vehicles to pass one another. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions for Dave Pawlowski. Chairman Feltz asked the developers if there were any changes since the last meeting. Jim Olson stated there is some changes. When we came last time on a preliminary basis we told you we were going to petition the City for a pre-annexation agreement. The Oliver property we are talking Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 3 about is located on both sides of Galena Road. The first part of this that would be developed would be the 84 acres on the west side of Galena Road. We were here last time we were talking about having basically an R-2 development with some considerations to lot sizes, variances into lot width and so forth. We are now deleting that request. We will have a standard R-2 with minimum of 12,000 sq ft. lot. There will be 29 duplex lots in area 3. One of the comments at the other meeting was to have the duplexes spread out and that is something we will consider at the planning stage. Berming and planting can certainly be addressed at the planning stage. Jim Olson stated he would like to answer any questions or comments at this time. Bob Davidson asked if there is a 24" tile that will take the water away from your 5 acre lake. Jim Olson stated that's what is there now. Other Business Tom Lindbloom stated he is very uneasy about receiving information in our packet on Monday and having a meeting on Wednesday and then receiving information tonight and being asked to comment on it. I don't know who is responsible, I see this document is dated October 27, 1993 and for what ever reason it was not in our packet but I feel very uncomfortable trying to sit here and make recommendation or concerns when this is the first chance we have to see this kind of information at a meeting like this. I think I asked before to have this information in our hands prior to the meeting I guess the next order of business is Minkler Estates. I would have loved to have had an opportunity to drive out there to look at that but I received this information Monday night after work which would have left me Tuesday during the day or Wednesday during the day because I get home after dark. This is the kind of thing I am very uneasy about I feel very uneasy about having all these people here tonight to try to deal with this that has taken business from there schedules to not knowing what the issues are. I not sure quite procedurally on what were suppose to be doing. Are we suppose to comment on this after looking at it for five minutes? I got some problems with the timing. I received no additional information on this until tonight. Chairman Feltz stated he received his packet on Saturday. Chairman Feltz stated this is something we talked about for years and our threat has been to refer it to next month so we have an opportunity to evaluate the materials that we have and get the rest of it. Maybe this is one we just deter. Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 4 Jim Olson stated the Plan Commission should have received the maps. PC93-19 - Annex & Rezone R-2 Oliver and Niles Jeff Palmquist asked Jim Olson if in this process are you planning on developing a concept plan as part of the annexation or do you want to get it annexed before any plan issues? Tom Lindbloom stated he would like to see the concept plan. Bob Davidson asked if we have the authority to vote or pass anything until it becomes contiguous. Dan Kramer stated if your within the 1 1/2 mile district if you don't make continuity you can always enter into a pre-annexation agreement. Chairman Feltz asked what the Planning Commission would like to do tonight. Tom Lindbloom motioned to table PC93-19; seconded Sandra Adams. Bob Davidson would like the petitioner to give us an estimated cost of police protection, maintenance, highways, also they need to address the off site drainage. When he does come back with the plan I would like the issue addressed of the Bristol Township where they ask for two exists on Cannonball even though I fee there should be one on Corneils. I would like Bristol Township to address this issue. Jeff Palmquist stated I think there are some more pertinent pieces of information if from the soils book if you could do a soil overlay and a table that will help a lot as well. I would suggest to also provide an aerial photograph of Bristol that will enable us to see exactly what areas are being discussed. Michael Crouch stated he would like to see some type of concept plan instead of just straight annexing. Chairman Feltz reminded everyone there is a motion still on the floor. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or comments on the motion. Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 5 Hearing none, Chairman Feltz asked for roll call vote. Roll Call Vote: Feltz - Obstain Stewart - No Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch yes Lindbloom - yes Pfister - yes Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Davidson - no Motion carried 8-yes, 2-no, 1-Abstain PC93-20 Minkler Estates P.U.D. Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here to represent this parcel. John Shoemocker stated he represents Ken Benson. We brought this rezoning proposal before the County Plan Commission. Chairman Feltz asked if this petition will be brought back- to Yorkville Planning Commission. John Shoemocker replied yes. John Shoemocker stated there in the process of receiving input from the adjoining neighbors and land owners and the great concern about the size of the lots adjacent to the existing D-1 lots. So what we've done is the lots that border that particular A-1 Residential use we have made 3 acres, the balance of the lots are about 2 acres. This is done strictly to show feasibility and demonstrate to the adjoining property owners that we are taking there concerns into consideration in this plan. John Shoemocker stated the storm water detention were planning to handle on the west side of the property by the ravine. We would simply damn it off and put a release pipe in and simply store the excess run off within the existing ravine areas. We plan on reserving as many trees on the site as possible. Tom Lindbloom asked what in the past we've asked for in terms of culdesacs and ect. would the subdivision control ordinances apply to this. Bob Davidson replied yes. John Shoemocker asked if there were any questions or comments on this parcel. Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 6 Chairman Feltz stated when you come back to us, you should let us know what City Ordinances you would not comply with. We are also interested in easements. John stated the easements that are shown on the map are strictly for drain storm. We interested in providing easements to take care of this. George Stewart stated you would need some sort of easement dedication on Minkler. Bob Davidson stated to have a construction easement dedicated to water and sewer. It eliminates alot of problems down the road. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to see on the final, that when this does become contiguous it automatically comes into the City of Yorkville. Dan Kramer stated it will definitely come back with both preliminary and final plat. Jeff Palmquist stated they do need a formal recommendation to take back to the County. Bob Davidson stated that as long as this is 1 1/2 mile jurisdiction, they must abide by all City Ordinances unless specifically requesting a variance. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or comments pertaining to this parcel. Hearing none, Tom Lindbloom motioned to recommend to Kendall County the proper zoning for this parcel should be County R-2 P.U.D. ; seconded Ralph Pfister. Roll Call Vote Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lindbloom - yes Pfister - yes Lucietto yes Kolkmeyer - yes Davidson - Absent Motion Carried 10-yes 1-Absent ADDITIONAL BUSINESS Dan Kramer stated as most of you know were currently involved in two rather large water projects. Were taking sewer north to Amurol and out back thru Cannonball and also south of town, but Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 7 this is Elizabeth Street which is the last east west street down where the curve is on Maine Street. Right below Elizabeth Street is vacant land that has which goes roughly up to the back of Elizabeth Street. The owner who owns an almost a pentagon shape parcel of land in back. Don has gotten all of the easements thru Williamsport and everybody south of that parcel as far as the sewer and water extension going all the way to Route 71. Dan Kramer stated Don has always looked at getting a street going to the west cause we have got no cut on the west side of Route 47. We've told Inland when they annex that piece across from Pride going from Route 71 back to this other 40 acres parcel that at some point were going to expect a street cut in there to get out to the land out west. So this owner will give us the easement under two conditions: 1) Build a street for that property to Route 47 at own expense. 2) 12,000 sq. ft average and 10,000 sq. ft. minimum George stated the only difficulty he sees with it is we have Diehl asking for and average of 12,000 we had Niles/Oliver asking for that they have since changed there's. Now we have this guy asking for an average of 12,000. we might as well rewrite our zoning to 10,000 feet. Dan Kramer stated the infrastructure is what were looking at Don needs the road thru there willing to give him the easement and we want that sewer and water because of the commitments we made to the commercial users along Route 47 . George Stewart asked how many acres. Dan replied 72-76 acres. Chairman Feltz asked when they were coming in. Dan replied sometime in 1994 . Were not committing to a plat, if their going average 12,000 were going hold them to it. Chairman Feltz asked Dan what is it he needs from Planning Commission. Dan replied just weather or not that would be acceptable. George asked if the City would normally incurs the cost of the road. Dan replied no. Plan Commission Minutes - November 17, 1993 Page 8 Chairman Feltz stated why couldn't they make it into smaller lots with more of them. Bob Davidson stated when it becomes part of the City we will have to put in water and sewer. George asked what should the other 48 acres be brought in as. Bob replied leave it at Ag-1 use. Chairman Feltz stated that economics will determine that. Mayor Kittoe asked how we are increasing our cost to the City when were only going to maintain 26 homes instead of 70. Bob replied because they have less road at this point. With no further comments evident on the topics listed on tonight's agenda, the motion to adjourn was given by Bob Davidson; seconded Sandy Adams. 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