Plan Commission Minutes 1993 11-17-93 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF
THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS
HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM
NOVEMBER 17, 1993 7:00 P.M.
The November meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by
Chairman Harold Feltz with the following members in attendance:
Harold Feltz, George Stewart, Clarence Holdiman, Don Ament,
Sandra Adams, Michael Crouch, Tom Lindbloom, Ralph Pfister,
Anne Lucietto, Buck Kolkmeyer; Bob Davidson.
Others Present: Alderman Prochaska, Alderman Baker,
Attorney Kramer, Mayor Kittoe,
Administrator/Engineer Don Peck,
Alderman Jones, Alderman Stafford,
Alderman Callmer, City Planner Jeff
Palmquist and the interested citizens listed
on file with the minutes.
Chairman Feltz asked if there were any additions or corrections to
be made on the October minutes.
Tom Lindbloom stated he would like on page 8 after the motion of
rezoning on PC93-16 to be indexed "Other Business" . and on page 9
after the statement made by Chairman Feltz on the timeliness of
information be indexed "PC93-19 Oliver & Niles" .
Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further additions or
corrections to be made.
Hearing none, the motion was made to approve the amended minutes by
Tom Lindbloom; seconded Sandra Adams. Voice vote carried.
Chairman Feltz stated he would like to welcome Ralph Pfister to the
Plan Commission, he will represent the Yorkville Bristol Sanitary
District.
PC93-19 - Annex & Rezone to R-2 - Oliver and Niles
Chairman Feltz stated there was a meeting between the Bristol
Township Planning Commission and I would like to have a report from
Dave Pawlowski on that meeting.
Dave Pawlowski stated the following concerns and recommendations on
this property.
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1. No exist on Corneils Road or West Street.
2 . Yorkville should look into professional engineering paid by
developer into long term water runoff due to development of
homes 5-10-20 years down the road.
a) Conduct Natural Resources Inventory N.R.I . on file with
Yorkville.
3.. Two (2) entrances off Cannonball Trail north similar to
Storybook Subdivision on Galena Road.
4 . Research water and sewer expense to be paid by the homeowner
in the subdivision on a monthly rate similar to Boulder Hill,
Presbury subdivisions and keep development rural.
5. No back yard facing on Cannonball Trail without landscape
brumming also no fencing of yards on Cannonball Trail.
6. Development should have one (1) acre lots conforming to
surrounding development, i.e. Willowbrook, Storybook,
Blackberry Oaks, Bristol Lakes and Corneils Road.
7 . No Duplexes or Multi-Family housing in keeping with
surrounding area.
8. Run-off pond should have decorative fencing to protect
children. Parks and play areas should be enlarged from
previous plans.
9 . Planting of trees should be in the entire area parks and etc.
rather than just on parking areas.
10 . Also concerns about traffic and impact on local schools with
over development.
Bob Davidson asked why they did not want on exist on Corneils Road.
Dave Pawlowski stated the road is not adequately wide enough for
two large vehicles to pass one another.
Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions for Dave
Pawlowski.
Chairman Feltz asked the developers if there were any changes since
the last meeting.
Jim Olson stated there is some changes. When we came last time on
a preliminary basis we told you we were going to petition the City
for a pre-annexation agreement. The Oliver property we are talking
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about is located on both sides of Galena Road. The first part of
this that would be developed would be the 84 acres on the west side
of Galena Road. We were here last time we were talking about
having basically an R-2 development with some considerations to lot
sizes, variances into lot width and so forth. We are now deleting
that request. We will have a standard R-2 with minimum of 12,000
sq ft. lot. There will be 29 duplex lots in area 3. One of the
comments at the other meeting was to have the duplexes spread out
and that is something we will consider at the planning stage.
Berming and planting can certainly be addressed at the planning
stage.
Jim Olson stated he would like to answer any questions or comments
at this time.
Bob Davidson asked if there is a 24" tile that will take the water
away from your 5 acre lake.
Jim Olson stated that's what is there now.
Other Business
Tom Lindbloom stated he is very uneasy about receiving information
in our packet on Monday and having a meeting on Wednesday and then
receiving information tonight and being asked to comment on it. I
don't know who is responsible, I see this document is dated October
27, 1993 and for what ever reason it was not in our packet but I
feel very uncomfortable trying to sit here and make recommendation
or concerns when this is the first chance we have to see this kind
of information at a meeting like this. I think I asked before to
have this information in our hands prior to the meeting I guess the
next order of business is Minkler Estates. I would have loved to
have had an opportunity to drive out there to look at that but I
received this information Monday night after work which would have
left me Tuesday during the day or Wednesday during the day because
I get home after dark. This is the kind of thing I am very uneasy
about I feel very uneasy about having all these people here tonight
to try to deal with this that has taken business from there
schedules to not knowing what the issues are. I not sure quite
procedurally on what were suppose to be doing. Are we suppose to
comment on this after looking at it for five minutes? I got some
problems with the timing. I received no additional information on
this until tonight.
Chairman Feltz stated he received his packet on Saturday.
Chairman Feltz stated this is something we talked about for years
and our threat has been to refer it to next month so we have an
opportunity to evaluate the materials that we have and get the rest
of it. Maybe this is one we just deter.
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Jim Olson stated the Plan Commission should have received the maps.
PC93-19 - Annex & Rezone R-2 Oliver and Niles
Jeff Palmquist asked Jim Olson if in this process are you planning
on developing a concept plan as part of the annexation or do you
want to get it annexed before any plan issues?
Tom Lindbloom stated he would like to see the concept plan.
Bob Davidson asked if we have the authority to vote or pass
anything until it becomes contiguous.
Dan Kramer stated if your within the 1 1/2 mile district if you
don't make continuity you can always enter into a pre-annexation
agreement.
Chairman Feltz asked what the Planning Commission would like to do
tonight.
Tom Lindbloom motioned to table PC93-19; seconded Sandra Adams.
Bob Davidson would like the petitioner to give us an estimated cost
of police protection, maintenance, highways, also they need to
address the off site drainage. When he does come back with the
plan I would like the issue addressed of the Bristol Township
where they ask for two exists on Cannonball even though I fee there
should be one on Corneils. I would like Bristol Township to
address this issue.
Jeff Palmquist stated I think there are some more pertinent pieces
of information if from the soils book if you could do a soil
overlay and a table that will help a lot as well. I would suggest
to also provide an aerial photograph of Bristol that will enable us
to see exactly what areas are being discussed.
Michael Crouch stated he would like to see some type of concept
plan instead of just straight annexing.
Chairman Feltz reminded everyone there is a motion still on the
floor.
Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or
comments on the motion.
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Hearing none, Chairman Feltz asked for roll call vote.
Roll Call Vote:
Feltz - Obstain Stewart - No Holdiman - yes
Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch yes
Lindbloom - yes Pfister - yes Lucietto - yes
Kolkmeyer - yes Davidson - no
Motion carried 8-yes, 2-no, 1-Abstain
PC93-20 Minkler Estates P.U.D.
Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here to represent this
parcel.
John Shoemocker stated he represents Ken Benson. We brought this
rezoning proposal before the County Plan Commission.
Chairman Feltz asked if this petition will be brought back- to
Yorkville Planning Commission.
John Shoemocker replied yes.
John Shoemocker stated there in the process of receiving input from
the adjoining neighbors and land owners and the great concern about
the size of the lots adjacent to the existing D-1 lots. So what
we've done is the lots that border that particular A-1 Residential
use we have made 3 acres, the balance of the lots are about 2
acres. This is done strictly to show feasibility and demonstrate
to the adjoining property owners that we are taking there concerns
into consideration in this plan.
John Shoemocker stated the storm water detention were planning to
handle on the west side of the property by the ravine. We would
simply damn it off and put a release pipe in and simply store the
excess run off within the existing ravine areas. We plan on
reserving as many trees on the site as possible.
Tom Lindbloom asked what in the past we've asked for in terms of
culdesacs and ect. would the subdivision control ordinances apply
to this.
Bob Davidson replied yes.
John Shoemocker asked if there were any questions or comments on
this parcel.
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Chairman Feltz stated when you come back to us, you should let us
know what City Ordinances you would not comply with. We are also
interested in easements.
John stated the easements that are shown on the map are strictly
for drain storm. We interested in providing easements to take care
of this.
George Stewart stated you would need some sort of easement
dedication on Minkler.
Bob Davidson stated to have a construction easement dedicated to
water and sewer. It eliminates alot of problems down the road.
Chairman Feltz stated he would like to see on the final, that when
this does become contiguous it automatically comes into the City of
Yorkville.
Dan Kramer stated it will definitely come back with both
preliminary and final plat.
Jeff Palmquist stated they do need a formal recommendation to take
back to the County.
Bob Davidson stated that as long as this is 1 1/2 mile
jurisdiction, they must abide by all City Ordinances unless
specifically requesting a variance.
Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or
comments pertaining to this parcel.
Hearing none, Tom Lindbloom motioned to recommend to Kendall County
the proper zoning for this parcel should be County R-2 P.U.D. ;
seconded Ralph Pfister.
Roll Call Vote
Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes
Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes
Lindbloom - yes Pfister - yes Lucietto yes
Kolkmeyer - yes Davidson - Absent
Motion Carried 10-yes 1-Absent
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Dan Kramer stated as most of you know were currently involved in
two rather large water projects. Were taking sewer north to Amurol
and out back thru Cannonball and also south of town, but
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this is Elizabeth Street which is the last east west street down
where the curve is on Maine Street. Right below Elizabeth Street
is vacant land that has which goes roughly up to the back of
Elizabeth Street. The owner who owns an almost a pentagon shape
parcel of land in back. Don has gotten all of the easements thru
Williamsport and everybody south of that parcel as far as the sewer
and water extension going all the way to Route 71.
Dan Kramer stated Don has always looked at getting a street going
to the west cause we have got no cut on the west side of Route 47.
We've told Inland when they annex that piece across from Pride
going from Route 71 back to this other 40 acres parcel that at some
point were going to expect a street cut in there to get out to the
land out west. So this owner will give us the easement under two
conditions:
1) Build a street for that property to Route 47
at own expense.
2) 12,000 sq. ft average and 10,000 sq. ft. minimum
George stated the only difficulty he sees with it is we have Diehl
asking for and average of 12,000 we had Niles/Oliver asking for
that they have since changed there's. Now we have this guy asking
for an average of 12,000. we might as well rewrite our zoning to
10,000 feet.
Dan Kramer stated the infrastructure is what were looking at Don
needs the road thru there willing to give him the easement and we
want that sewer and water because of the commitments we made to the
commercial users along Route 47 .
George Stewart asked how many acres.
Dan replied 72-76 acres.
Chairman Feltz asked when they were coming in.
Dan replied sometime in 1994 . Were not committing to a plat, if
their going average 12,000 were going hold them to it.
Chairman Feltz asked Dan what is it he needs from Planning
Commission.
Dan replied just weather or not that would be acceptable.
George asked if the City would normally incurs the cost of the
road.
Dan replied no.
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Chairman Feltz stated why couldn't they make it into smaller lots
with more of them.
Bob Davidson stated when it becomes part of the City we will have
to put in water and sewer.
George asked what should the other 48 acres be brought in as.
Bob replied leave it at Ag-1 use.
Chairman Feltz stated that economics will determine that.
Mayor Kittoe asked how we are increasing our cost to the City when
were only going to maintain 26 homes instead of 70.
Bob replied because they have less road at this point.
With no further comments evident on the topics listed on tonight's
agenda, the motion to adjourn was given by Bob Davidson; seconded
Sandy Adams.
Chairman Feltz adjourned the meeting at 9:36 p.m.
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