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Plan Commission Minutes 1993 12-15-93 MINUTES OF THE FLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YOFCKV I LLE, KENDALL COUNTY. ILLINOIS HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY HOARD ROOM DECEMBER 15, 1993 7:00 P.M. The December meeting of the Flan Commission was called to - order by Chairman Harold Feltz with the following members in attendance: Harold Feltz , Clarence Holdiman, Lawrence Langland, Sandra Adams, Michael Crouch, Anne LLAcietto, Buck Kol k:meyer q Bob Davidson. Others Present: Mayor Kittoe, Chief Graff, Alderman Stafford, Alderman Prochaska, Alderman Baker, City Administrator/, Engineer Don Peck , City Planner Jeff Palmquist and the interested citizens listed on file with the minutes. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any additions or corrections to be made on the November minutes. Hearing none, the motion was made to approve the minutes as typed by Lawrence Langland; seconded Bob Davidson. ',voice vote carried . PC93-21 - Annex & Rezone - Dwyer (Public Hearing) Chairman Feltz called to order the public hearing of PC93-21 and asked if there was any one here representing this property . Jack KUSack stated he was with McClure Engineering and they, are here tonight to represent this property . Jack Kusack stated the property is located on the south side of Route 71 , 1/8 mile west of Route 126, and 3/4 mile east of Route 47. The parcel contains approximately 79.38 acres. The parcel is currently zoned Ag-1 we would propose to zone R-2 Single Family , R-2 Duplex , and commercial property . Jack stated he would take any questions or comments. Dave Pawloski asked what size lots they were proposing. Jack replied the average residential lot single family is 12, 511 sq. ft. and the duplex lot as 20,250 sq . ft. we are not at this time asking for any variances to any ordinance of the City . 1 Flan Commission Minutes - December 15, 1993 Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Hearing none, Chairman Feltz called an end to the Public Hearing of PC 93-21 . PC93-19 - Annex & Rezone - Oliver/Niles Chairman Feltz asked if there was any one here representing this property . Chairman Feltz stated he had talked to Tom, Lindbloom and he asked that I let the Oliver/Miles people know that they did a good job on the packet they handed out. Jim Olson stated to this has been added a possible future road way net word; , we' re showing a road from Route 47 about 1/2 way between Corneils that would go through nest to Galena and we ex- tend the three roads to show connection to other interior roads. Jim stated the plan that was submitted last month is now offi- cially considered the "concept plan" . Jim stated we are asking for at this time is recommendation to the City Council on a pre--annexation agreement and at such i time when the property became contiguous that it be annexed into the City . Bob Davidson stated he didn' t see any thing addressing the situa- tion with the storm water that is currently there. Jim Olson stated there is no reason to address this issue at this time, it' s to premature. Bob stated we need to see how this is going to correct or eliminate the problem out there. If we don ' t see it now I don ' t believe we' ll ever see it. Jim stated he disagreed that they would never see it cause it would be part of the engineering and subdivision ordinance. Jim stated he didn ' t think it was fair to go to all that expense when there is no indication of weather or not this is going to go through. Jim stated he' s not denying there is a problem but we' re not to that stage yet. 2 1 i y i • Plan Commission Minutes - December 15, 1993 Bob stated all I want to know is where is it going are you going to continue where it' s at or divise something else. Jim stated we intend to use what is already existing. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to use the zoining anylysis checklist. Bob Davidson asked if he had two storm tale going to the same creek is that considered two drainage districts or one. Don Peck replied they can ' t send any storm water more r'api3ly that it currently exist. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to go through the zoning analysis checklist for PC93-19. Chairman Feltz read the toning analysis checklist in it' s en- tirety with the following as a list of concerns: 1 ) No driveways onto Cannonball 2) Need to have a traffic study done 3) Storm water drainage 4) Playground area for children and teenagers 5) Split rail fence around detention area b) Sidewalks to school 7) Setbacks/Screening on Cannonball 6) Cornelis Road entrance Mai/or Kittoe asked if with every subdivision that comes before the City of Yorkville and Plan Commission if they are going to be required have to have a park. Bob Davidson replied we have quite a few units here and where is the nearest playground/part: for the kids to play at? Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Hearing none, Bob Davidson made the motion to recommend to City Council the Pre--annexation only of PC93-19 with the following points of concerns: 1. ) No outlets/driveways onto Cannonball 2) Traffic Study 3) Duplexes 4) Storm Water 5) Playground area children/adults 6) Split-Rail fence around detention area 7) Sidewalks to school 3 Plan Commission Minutes - December- 15, 199 8) Setback/Screen on Cannonball 9) Corneils Entrance 10) No duplex to back: up to Bristol seconded; Anne Luciet•to Chairman Feltz asked if -there was any further- comments or ques- tions. Handy Mohr stated there are questions that remain unanswered, why make a decision when you don ' t have all the facts. Why don' t you wait until you have all your answers and -then vote on this. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Jim Olson stated he would like to withdraw any duplexes on this property . Bob Davidson stated he would like to ammend the motion -to recom- mend to City Council the Pre-Annexation & zoning of PC97_ 13 with R-2 zoning and no duplexes with -the same list of concerns as above. seconded; Michael Crouch. Poll call vote: Feltz - yes Holdiman - no Langland - yes Adams - no Crouch - yes Lucietto - no k:ol kme;.-er - no Davidson -- no motion defeated ._,-yes 5--no. Chairman Feltz stated we do not recommend to City Council the pre.-annexation & zoning of PC93-19. Jim Olson asked if the reason some members voted no was because they took: the duplexes out. Anne LL.+cietto replied yes. Chairman Feltz asked for a show of hands how many people would have voted yes if the number- of duplexes would not have been eliminated. There were 4 in favor 4 not in favor. 4 Plan Commission Minutes -- December 15, 1993 PC93-20 - M:.inkldr Estates Development Corporation Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here representing this parcel . John Shoemocker with the Lannert Group stated they have come before the Plan Commission for the proposed zoning change from Kendall Count/ A-1 Agricultural District to Kendally Count/ P-2 Planned Unit Development on Minkler Estates. John Shoemocker stated he would like to answer any questions or comments anyone may have at this point. Bob Davidson stated one of the concerns with one acres lots is when the municipality got to this how it would absorb this. How do YOU start dividing your three acre parcels down to a smaller piece and how do you perceive it fitting in the City of Yorkville. Let' s say you want to subdivide in 20 years how do you put a street back there. Ken Benson stated he was not looking for any further development, all I ' m asking for is those lots the way there laid out here. Jeff Palmquist stated the answer is it' s not developed ever. Bob Davidson stated that' s the answer he was looking for. Chairman Feltz asked if this would meet all City ordinances? John Shoemocker replied yes. Bob Davidson stated he liked the concept. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Hearing none, the motion was made to recommend to the City to - recommend to the County the zoning change from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural District to Kendall County R-2 Planned Unit Develop- ment subject to: 1 ) Utility Easement 2) Meet all City ordinances 3) Anne;: when contiguous by Lawrence Langland; seconded Sandra Adams. Roll call vote: i b t t { Flan Commission Minutes - December 15, 1993 Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - Absent Kol k:meyer - yes Davidson - yes Motion carried. F'C93-21 - Annex & Rezone - Dwyer- Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here representing this parcel . Jack; Kusack, with McClure Engineering stated he represents this parcel . In the interest of time and based on the previous dis- cussion, we had orginally intended to request an extension of our R-2 Duplex which we now withdraw. Jack stated we have 153 proposed lots in this subdivision, 16 of which are duplex lots and -the remaining lots will be single famil;, and ten acres of commercial property . We've provided a buffer along Route 71 . Jack stated he would take any questions or comments anyone may have. Bob Davidson asked is there consideration to a future street linking the subdivision and the commercial area? ,Jack: replied yes. Lawrence Langland recommended having larger setbacks on the cor- ner lots 41, 41 & 68, 69. Bob Davidson stated he did not care where the second street went but there definitely needs to be one. Chairman Feltz asked where the star-iii water goes when it leaves this property . Jack: replied through the existing boy, Culvert. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to use the zoning analysis checklist. Lawrence Langland read the zoning analysis checklist in it' s en- tirelty with the following list of concerns: 6 i i Plan Commission Minutes - December 15, 1993 1 ) Traffic study 2) 3/4 acre green area/detention 3) Second street linking commercial and subdivision 4) Soil study/overlay 5) Tree line not to be touched 6) Only lot 6-6 &< 22-34 be duplexes 7) Water retention 8) 100' set backs on corner lots (41 ,42,68 &c 69) Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Hearing none, the motion was made to recommend to City Council the annexation and rezoning of PC93-21 subject to: 1 ) Traffic study 2) 3/4 acre green area/detention 3) Second street linking commercial &c subdivision 4) Soil study/overlay 5) Tree line not to be touched 6) Lots 6-8 &•. 22-34 as duplexes 7) Water- retention 8) 100' setbacks on corner lots (41 ,41 ,68 &c 69) by Lawrence Langland ; seconded Clarence Holdiman. Roll call vote: Felt: - yes Holdiman - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - absent Kolkmeyer - yes Davidson - yes Motion carried. PC93-22 - Ronhil1 Estates II Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here representing this parcel . Frank: Willman stated the property is located near the intersec- tion of Immanuel and Legion Road. We would like to rezone 25 acres adjacent to the area that was platted about a year ago. Chairman Feltz asked is the water detention pond going down the water hole? Frank replied if it wasn' t going down the water way it was ab- sorbed. 7 ti a Flan Commission Minutes - December 15, 1993 Chairman Feltz asked if they intend to meet all City ordinances. Frank: replied yes. Chairman Feltz stated when they become contiguous they become part of the City . Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments. Hearing none, the motion was made to recommend to the City Coun- cil to recommend to the County the approve the zoning from Ken- dall County A-1 to Kendall County R-3 subject to: 1 ) Upon contiguous it become part of the City 2) Conforms to all City ordinances by Lawrence Langland; seconded Sandra Adams. Roll call vote: Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Langland - yes Adams - ;:es Crouch - yes Lucietto - absent Kolk:meyer° - yes Davidson - obstain Motion carried. FC93-23 - Development Resources Ken Baldwin stated he does have a presentation, but due to the hour asked if it Would please the Flan Commission to reschedule the meeting. Chairman Feltz agreed. Bob Davidson motioned that FC93-23q City of Yorkville Comprehen--. live Flan & the Lannert Group Checklist recommendaions be deferred to the January 19, 1994 Flan Commission Meeting; seconded Lawrence Langland. Voice vote carried. With no further comments evident on the topics listed on tonight' s agenda, Chairman Feltz adjourned the meeting at 11 :30 F.M. h•.im h•.ing, R rding Secretary 8 N PLAN COMMISSION MEETING P/A PCf3g Pc9& PCg Pcfg-a� PC PC HAROLD FELTZ P GEORGE STEWART f _ — CLARENCE HOLDIMAN. P N DON AMENT LAWRENCE LANGLAND SANDRA ADAMS Oil/ 0 MICHAEL CROUCH ) TOM LINDBLOOM - RALPH PFISTER ANNE LUC I ETTO AJ BUCK KOLKMEYER BOB DAVIDSON -,qIAI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OTHERS PRESENT: _ J PUBLIC HEARING /SIGN-IN SHEET NAME ADDRESS ld a g 1 R ZZZ j 71 J 0 c 33 93 "