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Plan Commission Minutes 1994 01-19-94 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM JANUARY 19, 1994 7:00 P.M. The January meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Chairman Harold Feltz with the following members in attendance: Harold Feltz, Clarence Holdiman, Don Ament, Sandara Adams, Michael Crouch, Anne Lucietto; Buck Kolkmeyer. Others Present: Alderman Callmer, Alderman Jones, Alderman Prochaska, Attorney Hiles and the interested citizens listed on file with the minutes. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any additions or corrections to be made on the December minutes. Anne Lucietto stated she would like to see on page 4 the clarification on the motion of PC93-19. Addition: Anne Lucietto stated she would like to entertain a clarification vote on the PC93-19 Oliver/Niles because I think it was just a little confusing. Chairman Feltz asked what kind of clarification. Anne replied everything remains the same with the exception of the taking out of the duplexes. The duplexes are there however the number of them will be based upon what we find in the traffic study. Larry Langland asked Attorney Hiles if this was legal. Attorney Hiles stated it depends on how you clarify it. You can't clarify a motion with a motion. You can take an informal poll but not as a motion. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further additions or cor- rections to be made. Hearing none, the motion to approve the ammended minutes by San- dara Adams; seconded Anne Lucietto. Voice vote carried. 1 Plan Commission Minutes - January 19, 1994 PC93-23 - Development Resources - Fox Hill P.U.D. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone here to represent this property. Ken Baldwin stated the property is located on the south side of Route 34 and east of Eldamain Road. Ken Baldwin stated this parcel has be annexed into the City of Yorkville. We come to you as members of the city to redo our land ,plan. As part of the annexation ordinance the zoning was also applied to the parcel for mixed use similar to the concept plan that was presented. I would now like to turn it over to Micahel Capp for the technical presentation. Michael1 Capp stated our focus here tonight is to view where we are on this property. In pod #1 will be retail or office zoning, in pod #2 will be neighborhood retail shops, in pod #3 will be parks,! pod #4 will be multi-family zoning, in pod #5, #6 & #7 are intended to be single-family, pod #8 is intended for parks in this area, pod #9 is intended as a retail outlet. pod #10 is in- tended!! for single-family, pod #11 is intended for multi-family. Michael stated the internal streets through each residential area are intended to be slightly narrower width. We have also put in green paths to encourage pedestrian traffic to get to the parks and neighborhood stores. Michael stated these paths are intended to be conveyed to a homeowners association that will be formed by all the residential areas in this development. All these developed features will be maintained by the homeowners association. There will be no bur- den on the City for these. Michael stated he would like to answer any questions anyone may have. Chairman Feltz stated he would like at this point so we don't all ask the same questions Jeff Palmquist has reviewed this. I think we should let him critique as he sees it as a planner. Jeff Palmquist stated the major change was the flip flop of the single-family and the multi-family pods at either end. Otherwise it might be best to look at the addendum. This essentialy sum- marizes what the annexation agreement which has been approved contains regarding the layout. I think what we're going to do tonight is look at the layout and understand it. I would like to answer any questions you may have on this. 2 Plan Commission Hinutes - January 19, 1994 Chairman Feltz stated you have looked at where there are lot sizes smaller. They are ajoining a green area in most areas. Jeff Palmquist replied yes. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any questions pertaining to this property. Anne Lucietto stated under roadway criteria that the City Or- dinances for right-of-way width is 55 feet. There asking for right-of-way width for internal streets be at 50 feet. I don't think we've varied from 55 feet on anything I've heard of. I don't think we should vary now. Anne asked on the road geometry we're looking at a 100 foot mini- mum tangent are we talking about going less than. How much will that affect our fire equipment etc. Jeff Palmquist stated Don Peck was the one who essentially recom- mended that the right-0f-way be 50 foot. Chairman Feltz asked Jeff if Don was okay with the tangent. Jeff replied yes. Michael Crouch asked if the reason for the 50 foot right-of-way instead of the 55 foot was due to getting larger lot sizes or is there another reason. Hichael Capp replied the purpose was to provide larger green path to encourage pedestrian traffic. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments regarding this property. Don Ament suggested having a road dedication between lots 118 and 119 for the future. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further questions or com- ments regarding this property. Hearing none, the motion was made by Don Ament that the Planning Commission agrees with the general layout as presented tonight as far as road, lot sizes, open areas, park locations subject to the discussion by Jeff Palmquist and the Lannert Group also subject to a road right-Of-Way to be 55 feet and a road dedication area between lots 118 & 119. seconded; Michael Crouch. 3 Plan Commission Minutes - January 19, 1994 Roll call vote: Fetlz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Motion carried 7-0 PC93-19 - Harold Oliver and Barry Niles ----------------------------------------------------------------- Chairman Feltz stated the City has asked us to consider read- dressing our motion because of the difficulty we've had in our motion last time. We will do this in three steps if we desire to do so. These steps would be: 1 ) Annexation when contiguous 2) Zoning 3) Duplexes The motion and the second has to be made by someone who was ab- sent or voted no. Chairman Feltz stated he would like to hear from Anne Lucietto in regards to the storm water. Anne Lucietto stated the area has alot of problems. It's done in alot of places with monumentous problem as this is to set up a special service district and my suggestion would be to propose that this be done in that area. What happens is the individuals who own property in that area have to kick into a fund and rather than leaving each area to there own solving of there little problem it's all done collectively and therefore the problem is normally taken care of. Jeff Palmquist stated this is to ultimately address down stream improvements that are required. Chairman Feltz asked if there was anyone else who would to com- ment. Hearing none, the motion was given by Sandra Adams to review the previous motion from the December 1993 meeting. seconded Anne Lucietto. Roll call vote Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Motion carried 7-0 4 Plan Commission Minutes - January 19, 1994 Chairman Feltz asked if we want to recommend to the City Council to annex this area when it becomes contiguous. The motion was made to recommend to the City Council the annexa- tion of this area upon it being contiguous and subject to the pre-annexation agreement; seconded Sandra Adams. Roll call vote Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Motion carried 7-0 Chairman Feltz stated the next thing to vote upon would be the R- 2 zoning. The motion was made to recommend to the City Council the R-2 zoning upon annexation by Anne Lucietto; seconded Sandra Adams. Roll call vote. Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - yes Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Motion carried 7-0 Chairman Feltz stated the last item to vote on is the duplexes. The motion was made to recommend to the City Council the approval of the duplexes limited to 10% of the number of lots within the subdivision by Sandra Adams; seconded Buck Kolkmeyer. Roll call vote: Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Adams - yes Crouch - no Lucietto - yes Kolkmeyer - yes Motion carried 6-1 Other Business ----------------------------------------------------------------- Chairman Feltz stated he would like to take minute to talk while our legal council is present. Chairman Feltz stated most of our petitions we've got in the past have been of a smaller unit where the petitioner could see in his mind the whole development and we many time when the petitioner comes into us on a preliminary investigation want to get into all the details I think what we need to do is to tell them what we want to see in it but many times it's going to difficult for him 5 Plan Commission Minutes - January 19, 1994 until he does the engineering to really know what this thing is really going to look like. Therefore I think we need to go back to okay do we really want that developed into the area and what zoning do we want and go back to the three steps we just did. But letting him know what we want but knowing he 's not going to be able to answer some of those items until the time he does the engineering. Chairman Feltz stated we're getting larger developments then what we 've had before and I think that' s why we've run into that dif- ficulty. Sandra Adams stated that there are time's there is so much on the agenda that it's difficult to cover especially when we have major undertaking that we almost need to have two meetings a month. Chairman Feltz stated maybe he could get in touch with Jackie Al- lison to see what the agenda looks like and maybe we'll have to arrange something. Anne Lucietto stated we need to be very careful of what we're doing. We're getting totally different developments coming in and there are alot bigger things that are going to be happening. Chairman Feltz asked if there were any further comments. 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