Plan Commission Minutes 1997 01-08-97 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE
UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE
KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS
JANUARY 8,1997
The January meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Chairman
Tom Lindbloom at 7:00 P.M..
Roll Call:
Members Present: Michael Crouch(arrived 8:30 p.m.)
Dale Hornyan Toftoy
Jack Jones
Tom Lindblom
Anne Lucietto
Ralph Pfister
Sandra Adams
Members Absent: Greg Kraber
John Barber
Clarence Holdiman
Lawrence Langeland
James SL Jules
Dave Dockstader
Marty Behrens
NOVEMBER MINUTES
Ms Hornyen-Toftoy moved to approve the November minutes as submitted. Mr.
Pfister seconded the motion On a voice vote, all members present voting ave
Motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
PC 96-19 Inland -Sunflower Estates Preliminary Plat I Engineering Plan
Greg Gable, land development consultant with Inland Land Development,
addressed the Commission. This was originally a 100 acre piece of property
that was annexed to the United City of Yorkville. It was zoned B-3, Highway
Commercial for the entire site with provisions in the annexation agreement that
60 acres could either be residential or manufacturing. Inland is opting to do
preliminary plats with 60 acres of residential and the remainder in B-3 Highway
Commercial. Two parcels have been sold and remain as B-3 Highway
Commercial. (11 acre site & 5 acre site). Mr. Gable presented a residential plan
with R-2 zoning, having a minimum lot size of 12,000 sq. ft.
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There will be 117 lots with the typical lot size of 80x150 ft. A road system runs
through this site which connects Greenbriar Rd. with Rt. 71, called Walsh St. It
is opposing the existing Walsh St. in the subdivision development to the north.
Inland is not asking for variation to the zoning or subdivision ordinance. Mr.
Gable stated they have done drainage calculations and sited retention areas.
There will be some spot retention areas on the highway commercials as they
develop.
Mr. Gable met with the Park Board who asked for a full land contribution. They
asked for 4 acres which does not include the detention facility. It will be
approximately four acres of high and dry property. The Park Board was planning
to combine this 4 acres with acreage to the west when it develops to have a
substantial park site.
Inland is proposing a boulevard type entrance off of Rt. 71 to the project site,
which will be opposite to the proposed senior citizen project south on Rt. 71. Mr.
Gable provided preliminary engineering plans which showed 3 development
phases. The park site would be contributed at the platting of the first phase. A
large area has been set aside for an entry feature. The areas the Park District
does not want to own or control will be maintained by the homeowners
association.
Chairman Lindbloom reviewed a letter that city engineer, Joe Wyrott, wrote
addressing his concerns. Mr. Wyrott commented that there were no concerns
that could not be resolved. He said some fundamental things such as soil
borings needed to be done. Mr. Gable said that Mr. Wyrott was asking for a
road stub to the west. Inland felt they didn't need that access point and it would
break up the greenbelt. Mr. Wyrott said it is about 1/2 mile from Greenbriar to
Rt. 71. Chairman Lindbloom stated that the road would be beneficial from an
emergency service viewpoint.
Mr. Wyrott expressed another concern about Scott Rd. by Silica Sand. There is
a debate to see if that road should even exist. Mr. Gable stated that does not
concern them. The major frontage of that road is not owned by Inland.
Mr. Wyrott stated the residential portion is slightly above the 60 acres allowed in
the annexation agreement. Mr. Gable said that when the statistics are added up
for the residential it is 59. When the non-residential is subtracted from the total
is comes to 62 acres due to some donations in the right-of-ways for Rt. 71 /Rt.
47 and the commercial road. He said, in fact, they have less than 60 acres in
residential if the statics are added.
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Mr. Pfister moved to send this mquest back to Planning_Council. Ms. Homyan-
Toftoy seconded the motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms. Adams, Ms.
Luditto, Ms Homyan-Toftoy and Mr. Jones voting no Mr. Pfister voting yes.
Motion denied 5-1.
Mr. Jones moved to approve the preliminary lam t subject to the letter dated
January 2, 1997 from Joe ftrott John Spenader. Mr. Pfister seconded the
motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms Adams, Ms. Lucietto, Ms
Hornyan-Toftoy and Mr. Jones voting yes. Mr. Pfister voting no.
�Aotion carried 5-1.
PC 96-13 Development Group/ Fox Mill Landing
Final Plat& Final approval -Site & Landscaping plan
Darren Sloniger addressed the Commission for final plat approval on Phase I.
The letter from Joe Wyrott to Jim Nanninga was addressed. Mr. Nanninga
stated most of these items were more philosophical than engineering items:
Item#2 - Mr. Sloniger stated that the 8 unit structure has been moved back
another 1 Oft. to be further from the tracks. The rail road owns the property that
would have the split rail fence, but Mr. Sloniger agreed to put the fencing in after
Phase IL
Item#3 -The having of two sources of water supply was discussed. Mr.
Sloniger stated that he will not loop the water main because it is cost prohibitive
for his small development. The cost estimates were stated to be over$20,000
without the easement costs. When the development to the east is done, he
agrees to loop the water main. Ms. Lucietto stated this should be in the P.U.D.
agreement. Mr. Nanninga asked for a statement to be included in the P.U.D.
addressing Robb Container's development with a time frame. Mr. Sloniger
stated the project would be cancelled if this were the condition. Mr. J.T. Johnson
said he stirred up this issue. He discussed the problems of the dead end water
lines. Members of the Commission mentioned to make provisions that whoever
develops Robb Container would be responsible to loop the water main. It was
stated that Mr. Sloniger does not own the Robb Container land and could not
make the loop.
Item#4- Mr. Sloniger said a deeper, larger storm sewer will be brought to the
end of their property in Phase 1. In Phase 11, it will be brought to the tracks and
they want the city to be responsible from the tracks to the river. This would also
be in the P.U.D. agreement. Mr. Nanninga said the city does not agree that the
city should be responsible.
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Item#5 -The standard pipe will be used instead of RCP now. This issue has
been resolved.
Item#6 -The P.U.D. agreement was resolved also.
Mr. Jones moved to approve 96-13 subject to P U D. agreement. Ms. Lucietto
seconded the motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms. Adams. Ms.
Lucietto, Ms Hornyan-Toftoy and Mr Jones votinayes. Mr. Pfister voting no
Motion carried S-1.
PC 96-7 Cannonball Estates - Preliminary Plan & Proposed Landscape
Development Plan
Lisa Rauch, attorney for the developer, addressed the Commission. She said
since the last meeting they have gone before the Planning Council for input and
comments. One issue, the surface water and related issues was discussed.
She said the city's engineer, their engineer, a third party engineer and the
neighbor's representive met to discuss the issue. The engineers are presently
looking at the issue of the surface water and if there is a problem.
Chairman Lindbloom stated that since the water issue has not been resolved as
requested at the last meeting they shouldn't proceed. He said this has not been
considered a non-issue nor resolved and it would not be good planning practice
to proceed knowing there is a problem.
Mr. Nanninga stated that Bill Lindley, Mr. Ligget, Mr. Kisser and the developers
experts met last Friday. It was decided that Mr. McCoy, the builders engineer
and the city's engineer would contact Joe, make a recommendation if any
additional borings or a different investigation was needed. It will later go to the
Council to see if they want to proceed if it calls for additional information or
investigation. Mr. Nanninga said they are in the process of doing a survey of the
residents to see what type wells they have.
Mr. Jones stated it should be brought up that the city or any governing body is
not responsible for shallow water flow. Mr. Nanninga said Mr. Kramer wrote a
letter to the residents stating that. The residents in attendance said they have
not received such a letter.
Ms. Rauch reiterated that the Commission is asking at this time the developer
hold off looking at and developing land until a resolution is made regarding the
existing water. She then requested that this be tabled until next month with the
intention that some recommendation be made. Chairman Lindbloom agreed and
suggested going on to other comments on the plan.
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Chairman Lindbloom stated his concern of the density and lot sizes along
Cannonball Trail. Ms. Rauch said they have considered the comments of the
neighbors as well as the city. They have reduced the number of lots along
Cannonball and the lot sizes now average 30,000 sq. ft.
On Faxon fed. the lot sizes average 12,000 sq. ft. which are in excess of the
minimum requirements for R-1 and are within the density requirements of R-2.
Chairman Lindbloom also expressed his concerns about the landscaping plan.
He did not think the birm was high enough but Ms. Rauch said the birm on the
plan has been modified. She said they are trying to present a high upscale
development for Yorkville. She explained the entrance monument is to be all
brick with vegetation.
Ms. Rauch said they have been working with the city about where the houses
will face. There will now only be one or two houses facing backside to
Cannonball, and the others will be side views or diagonal. They are not
recommending exiting driveways onto Cannonball.
Chairman Lindbloom stated his concerns of the roads with this type of density
and its impact on the roads. Ms. Rauch said improvements to Faxon &
Cannonball have been discussed and they have come to agreement with staff.
Mr. Pfister asked about the Park Boards requirements. Ms. Rauch said they
have requested one acre (two lots/ 11 & 12) in the high laying detention area
and the rest in cash.
Ms Hornyan-Toftoy moved to continue until next month the Cannonball Estates
development plan Mr. Jones seconded On a voice vote, all members present
voting aye. Motion carried.
NEW BUSINESS
Darren Sloniger/ Robb Container Property
Mr. Sloniger addressed the Commission. He stated that several months ago he
presented the concept plan on the Robb Container property for the elderly
housing project. He requested a rezoning for R-4 Special Use subject for
approval of preliminary plan at a later date. He said he had already filed the
papers and had a public hearing. It was stated that this was not on the agenda
and needed to be reviewed.
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Comprehensive Plan Public Hearing/County Annual Planning Workshop
Kathy Jones announced that there will be a Public Hearing on the City's
Comprehensive Plan on January 30, 7:00 p.m. in the Kendall County Board
Room. Chairman Lindbloom also announced Kendall County's Annual Planning
Workshop, February 1, 9:00 a.m. in the Kendall County Board Room.
gdjoumment
Mr. Pfister moved to adioum the meeting Ms Homyan-Toftoy seconded the
motion On a voice vote, all members present voting dye. Motion carried.
Submitted by,
Sheryl Washburn
Recording Secretary
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