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Plan Commission Minutes 1997 01-08-97 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS JANUARY 8,1997 The January meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Chairman Tom Lindbloom at 7:00 P.M.. Roll Call: Members Present: Michael Crouch(arrived 8:30 p.m.) Dale Hornyan Toftoy Jack Jones Tom Lindblom Anne Lucietto Ralph Pfister Sandra Adams Members Absent: Greg Kraber John Barber Clarence Holdiman Lawrence Langeland James SL Jules Dave Dockstader Marty Behrens NOVEMBER MINUTES Ms Hornyen-Toftoy moved to approve the November minutes as submitted. Mr. Pfister seconded the motion On a voice vote, all members present voting ave Motion carried. OLD BUSINESS PC 96-19 Inland -Sunflower Estates Preliminary Plat I Engineering Plan Greg Gable, land development consultant with Inland Land Development, addressed the Commission. This was originally a 100 acre piece of property that was annexed to the United City of Yorkville. It was zoned B-3, Highway Commercial for the entire site with provisions in the annexation agreement that 60 acres could either be residential or manufacturing. Inland is opting to do preliminary plats with 60 acres of residential and the remainder in B-3 Highway Commercial. Two parcels have been sold and remain as B-3 Highway Commercial. (11 acre site & 5 acre site). Mr. Gable presented a residential plan with R-2 zoning, having a minimum lot size of 12,000 sq. ft. Yorkville Planning Commission 1/8/97 There will be 117 lots with the typical lot size of 80x150 ft. A road system runs through this site which connects Greenbriar Rd. with Rt. 71, called Walsh St. It is opposing the existing Walsh St. in the subdivision development to the north. Inland is not asking for variation to the zoning or subdivision ordinance. Mr. Gable stated they have done drainage calculations and sited retention areas. There will be some spot retention areas on the highway commercials as they develop. Mr. Gable met with the Park Board who asked for a full land contribution. They asked for 4 acres which does not include the detention facility. It will be approximately four acres of high and dry property. The Park Board was planning to combine this 4 acres with acreage to the west when it develops to have a substantial park site. Inland is proposing a boulevard type entrance off of Rt. 71 to the project site, which will be opposite to the proposed senior citizen project south on Rt. 71. Mr. Gable provided preliminary engineering plans which showed 3 development phases. The park site would be contributed at the platting of the first phase. A large area has been set aside for an entry feature. The areas the Park District does not want to own or control will be maintained by the homeowners association. Chairman Lindbloom reviewed a letter that city engineer, Joe Wyrott, wrote addressing his concerns. Mr. Wyrott commented that there were no concerns that could not be resolved. He said some fundamental things such as soil borings needed to be done. Mr. Gable said that Mr. Wyrott was asking for a road stub to the west. Inland felt they didn't need that access point and it would break up the greenbelt. Mr. Wyrott said it is about 1/2 mile from Greenbriar to Rt. 71. Chairman Lindbloom stated that the road would be beneficial from an emergency service viewpoint. Mr. Wyrott expressed another concern about Scott Rd. by Silica Sand. There is a debate to see if that road should even exist. Mr. Gable stated that does not concern them. The major frontage of that road is not owned by Inland. Mr. Wyrott stated the residential portion is slightly above the 60 acres allowed in the annexation agreement. Mr. Gable said that when the statistics are added up for the residential it is 59. When the non-residential is subtracted from the total is comes to 62 acres due to some donations in the right-of-ways for Rt. 71 /Rt. 47 and the commercial road. He said, in fact, they have less than 60 acres in residential if the statics are added. 2 Yorkville Planning Commission 1/8/97 Mr. Pfister moved to send this mquest back to Planning_Council. Ms. Homyan- Toftoy seconded the motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms. Adams, Ms. Luditto, Ms Homyan-Toftoy and Mr. Jones voting no Mr. Pfister voting yes. Motion denied 5-1. Mr. Jones moved to approve the preliminary lam t subject to the letter dated January 2, 1997 from Joe ftrott John Spenader. Mr. Pfister seconded the motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms Adams, Ms. Lucietto, Ms Hornyan-Toftoy and Mr. Jones voting yes. Mr. Pfister voting no. �Aotion carried 5-1. PC 96-13 Development Group/ Fox Mill Landing Final Plat& Final approval -Site & Landscaping plan Darren Sloniger addressed the Commission for final plat approval on Phase I. The letter from Joe Wyrott to Jim Nanninga was addressed. Mr. Nanninga stated most of these items were more philosophical than engineering items: Item#2 - Mr. Sloniger stated that the 8 unit structure has been moved back another 1 Oft. to be further from the tracks. The rail road owns the property that would have the split rail fence, but Mr. Sloniger agreed to put the fencing in after Phase IL Item#3 -The having of two sources of water supply was discussed. Mr. Sloniger stated that he will not loop the water main because it is cost prohibitive for his small development. The cost estimates were stated to be over$20,000 without the easement costs. When the development to the east is done, he agrees to loop the water main. Ms. Lucietto stated this should be in the P.U.D. agreement. Mr. Nanninga asked for a statement to be included in the P.U.D. addressing Robb Container's development with a time frame. Mr. Sloniger stated the project would be cancelled if this were the condition. Mr. J.T. Johnson said he stirred up this issue. He discussed the problems of the dead end water lines. Members of the Commission mentioned to make provisions that whoever develops Robb Container would be responsible to loop the water main. It was stated that Mr. Sloniger does not own the Robb Container land and could not make the loop. Item#4- Mr. Sloniger said a deeper, larger storm sewer will be brought to the end of their property in Phase 1. In Phase 11, it will be brought to the tracks and they want the city to be responsible from the tracks to the river. This would also be in the P.U.D. agreement. Mr. Nanninga said the city does not agree that the city should be responsible. 3 Yorkville Planning Commission 1/8/97 Item#5 -The standard pipe will be used instead of RCP now. This issue has been resolved. Item#6 -The P.U.D. agreement was resolved also. Mr. Jones moved to approve 96-13 subject to P U D. agreement. Ms. Lucietto seconded the motion On a roll call vote, Mr. Lindbloom, Ms. Adams. Ms. Lucietto, Ms Hornyan-Toftoy and Mr Jones votinayes. Mr. Pfister voting no Motion carried S-1. PC 96-7 Cannonball Estates - Preliminary Plan & Proposed Landscape Development Plan Lisa Rauch, attorney for the developer, addressed the Commission. She said since the last meeting they have gone before the Planning Council for input and comments. One issue, the surface water and related issues was discussed. She said the city's engineer, their engineer, a third party engineer and the neighbor's representive met to discuss the issue. The engineers are presently looking at the issue of the surface water and if there is a problem. Chairman Lindbloom stated that since the water issue has not been resolved as requested at the last meeting they shouldn't proceed. He said this has not been considered a non-issue nor resolved and it would not be good planning practice to proceed knowing there is a problem. Mr. Nanninga stated that Bill Lindley, Mr. Ligget, Mr. Kisser and the developers experts met last Friday. It was decided that Mr. McCoy, the builders engineer and the city's engineer would contact Joe, make a recommendation if any additional borings or a different investigation was needed. It will later go to the Council to see if they want to proceed if it calls for additional information or investigation. Mr. Nanninga said they are in the process of doing a survey of the residents to see what type wells they have. Mr. Jones stated it should be brought up that the city or any governing body is not responsible for shallow water flow. Mr. Nanninga said Mr. Kramer wrote a letter to the residents stating that. The residents in attendance said they have not received such a letter. Ms. Rauch reiterated that the Commission is asking at this time the developer hold off looking at and developing land until a resolution is made regarding the existing water. She then requested that this be tabled until next month with the intention that some recommendation be made. Chairman Lindbloom agreed and suggested going on to other comments on the plan. 4 • ' Yorkville Planning Commission 1/8/97 Chairman Lindbloom stated his concern of the density and lot sizes along Cannonball Trail. Ms. Rauch said they have considered the comments of the neighbors as well as the city. They have reduced the number of lots along Cannonball and the lot sizes now average 30,000 sq. ft. On Faxon fed. the lot sizes average 12,000 sq. ft. which are in excess of the minimum requirements for R-1 and are within the density requirements of R-2. Chairman Lindbloom also expressed his concerns about the landscaping plan. He did not think the birm was high enough but Ms. Rauch said the birm on the plan has been modified. She said they are trying to present a high upscale development for Yorkville. She explained the entrance monument is to be all brick with vegetation. Ms. Rauch said they have been working with the city about where the houses will face. There will now only be one or two houses facing backside to Cannonball, and the others will be side views or diagonal. They are not recommending exiting driveways onto Cannonball. Chairman Lindbloom stated his concerns of the roads with this type of density and its impact on the roads. Ms. Rauch said improvements to Faxon & Cannonball have been discussed and they have come to agreement with staff. Mr. Pfister asked about the Park Boards requirements. Ms. Rauch said they have requested one acre (two lots/ 11 & 12) in the high laying detention area and the rest in cash. Ms Hornyan-Toftoy moved to continue until next month the Cannonball Estates development plan Mr. Jones seconded On a voice vote, all members present voting aye. Motion carried. NEW BUSINESS Darren Sloniger/ Robb Container Property Mr. Sloniger addressed the Commission. He stated that several months ago he presented the concept plan on the Robb Container property for the elderly housing project. He requested a rezoning for R-4 Special Use subject for approval of preliminary plan at a later date. He said he had already filed the papers and had a public hearing. It was stated that this was not on the agenda and needed to be reviewed. 5 • Yorkville Planning Commission 1/8/97 Comprehensive Plan Public Hearing/County Annual Planning Workshop Kathy Jones announced that there will be a Public Hearing on the City's Comprehensive Plan on January 30, 7:00 p.m. in the Kendall County Board Room. Chairman Lindbloom also announced Kendall County's Annual Planning Workshop, February 1, 9:00 a.m. in the Kendall County Board Room. gdjoumment Mr. Pfister moved to adioum the meeting Ms Homyan-Toftoy seconded the motion On a voice vote, all members present voting dye. Motion carried. Submitted by, Sheryl Washburn Recording Secretary 6