Plan Commission Minutes 1999 10-13-99 CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMON
Kendall County Boaml Room
October 13, 1899 7:OOP.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Tom Uradblom Lawrence I angland Brian Schomer
Sandra Adams Anne Ludetto Jack Jones
Tom Mizel Clarence Hoidiman Joseph 89900
Jeff Baker Janet Reaves Andrew Kubota
Bob Wenmen
Guests. Arthur Prochaska,Joe Wywrot,Atty.Dan Kranwr,Richard Sticks, Burt CaiknW,Mks
Shoppe. See also attached list of additional guests.
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Tom Undblom. He reviewed the agenda and
stated that he would like to see the meeting progress as per the agenda. it was dlatennhrod that
a quorum was In attendance. There was a review of the prior reeling minutes and a motion wes
made my Andrew Kubota to accept the minutes as presented. The motion was seconded by 00
Wenman. The motion carried and minutes were approved.
The meeting was then taken into Public Hearing for the item of PC 98-05,Cannonball Estates-
Annexation and Rezoning. Alan Norton of Alan Date Farms and Development,Developer. See
Public Hearing minutes attached.
PC 89.68 Annexation a Rezoning Pn dhnhury Plan Camww*nN Estates.
Additional discussion continued with regards to waiter retention,lot ace,access,and
landscaping. Mr. Beads wed response to the issues. A berm would be added along
Cannonball Trail and at a height of 7 ft. There would be an entrance both on Canmmbell Trat
and Faxon Rd. The engineering report for the water retention and drainage he felt was
W"uste. A comment made by Mr.Herne was made in concern of the water retention and It's
capacity. He raised the concern of when the retention area Us with water that the water that Is
In excess will back'up in the residerds basements. Mrs.Uggett was concerned with excess water
flowing over Cannonball Trail. Mr.Jones stated that If the property and the detention area is
engineered properly,the property should be adequately drained. Mr. Wywrot felt that the ground
water would bads up some when the basin Is fled,however,the water will progress at a slower
level and should not create a problem. Ms.L detto asked if the detention area was adequate to
contain the volume of water necessary. Mr.WVmvt replied that they should be OK,but he
needed added Information to confirm. Mr. Undbiorn was concerned with the k►ts located
along Cannonball Trail. He stated that the lots were to be at least 112 acre and are currently
listed at.4 acne. Mr.Jones suggested that the berm be reduced in size to entarge the lot sizes
along Cannonball Trail. Mr.Undblom further stated that at the test meeting the Commission
requested that the Cannonball Trail lots be at least 1!2 acre lots. Mr. Shoppe steed that the
comprehensive plan showed the property to have 1 acre lots with extensive landscaping and a
berm. Mr.Shoppe also suggested that sircler landscaping and a berm be placed on Fown Rd.
After much discussion a request was made of Atty.Kramer as to the terns needed for this
development. Atty. Knnrrror wed that it be divided into three individual items. Annexation.
Zoning, and the Preliminary Plan.
A motion was made by Andrew Kubota to sooept annexation with the following three conditions.
1 That all lots located along Cannonball Trait be at least 1/2 acre,2.The the cols akxg Faxon
Rd. carry a buffer, 3.That the berm on Cannonball Trap be as designated by Mike Sipe in his
letter dated 10-13.98. The motion was seconded by Anne Lucntto.
.M Torn Lindblom .yrejJ-awrence Langland _vnLW&n Schillin ger
.VWSandre Adam _yfK.Anne Lude tto -VaLiack Jones
Tom Mizei -MCIarenoe Hoidiman yna AJoseph Besoo
„ym.,Jeff Baker - Janot Reaves Andrew Kubota
_,.Bob Woman(had to leave meeting family commitment)
Motions Wises.
A motion was made by Jack Jones that the zoning be drooped to R-2 on Rem PC 89.05. The
motion was seconded by Joseph Besco.
-MTom Lindblom M I awronce Langland ."LBrMn Sd~
..yw$andra Adams no Anne Ludo to .yw.,Jack Jones
, Torn Miizel -MCiarence Hokiiman ya,.Joseph Besoo
.Jeff Baker . no, Janet Reaves .Andrew Kubota
Woman
Motion passes.
A motion was made by Lawrence Langla<nd to accept the Prerkrnnary Plan as presented wtlh the
berm on Cannonball Trall and with a buffer along Faxon Rd. The motion was seconded by
Andrew Kubota.
-w-Tom Lindblom -W-Lawrence Langland man Schillinnger
- Sandra Adams .. ,Anne Ludetto yes.Jack Jones
na,Tan Mizel -mClaremce Holdiman .yO.Joaeph sesco
-no-Jeff Baker -A"anet Reaves -nt,Androw Kubota
_.r 00 Woman
Motion defeated.
A r000mmendation was male to Mr. Norton that the lots airing Cannonball Try be clanged to at
least 112 acre. Ms.Ludatto expressed to Mr. Norton that she was against the zoning bemuse of
Me size of the lots,however,that didn't meant that she was in agreement with the people in
opposition.
PC 90460 Prelimkuwy Pain: Shadow Creek(fin 11/2 mites of the city Nmk)
Information was presented by Mr. Hammer snowing thin his lore were an acre In size and also
some were larger. The tats would contain n wells and septic. There was a review of comments by
Mr.Wywrot. Mr.Shoppe commented that the property does mast the Comprehensive Plan and
will follow with R-1 zoning,except for kit width. The average width is 140 fed and should be at
200 It. A suggestion was made to move the front yard setbacks and make them larger to make
the d evelopnrent more open. A suggestion was made to add a trap system and to trove R a"n
with the forest preserve property,since there Is no property set aside for parks. Thera was a
concern with regards to city sewer and water from Mr. Langland and when the property Is
surrounded by City property. After much discussion R was decided to vote can the PUD and the
zoning.
A motion was made by Lawrence Langiand that the property should conform to Cout#y R-3
P.U.D.. The motion was seconded by Jeff Baker.
. Tom Lindblom -Xsre..l-Fence Lanrgland
,. ll
y .Sandra Adams Winne Luc letta .
-MTOm Mize) -MClarenoe Holdiman
Besco
-yILJvff Baker ..Janet Reaves Kubota
We=an
Motion passed.
A motion was made by Jeff Baker to accept the plan sutoct to conformation with the city est#e
zoning ordinance. The motion was seconded by Lawrence Langland.
Thera was an amerximert to the motion made by Jeff Baker. The amendment from Mr.Baton
would include a memo from Mr.Wywrot dated 10-7-99 and a memo from Mr.Shoppe doted 10-
13-99.
.MTom Lindblom ;"t.awrence Langtand .yoJ96an SchNtinger
.Sandra Adams .,.Anne Lucietto jack Jones
JILTOM Mizei -MCtarence Holdiman j=Joseph Sesco
._wI.Jeff Baker .,"LJanet Reaves .Andrew Kubota
Wenman
The motion from Mr. Baker was amended to accept the plat scCt to conformation with the city
estate zoning ordinance and also the memo from Mr.Wywrot dated 10-7-99 and from Mr.
Shoppe doted 1043-99.
- .Tom Lindblom Yes t,aMnrence Lamgiand no Orlan Schillinger
Yes Sandra Adams Winne Ludetto „ Jack Jones
vas TOM Miael -.Clarence Holdiman ,foaeph 8esao
.LJeff Baker dares Reaves -y=pndrow Kubals
.._._Bob Wenman
New Business
PC!lam Concept Plan-Barry Niles Panel
Mr. Niles was approached by Mr.Richard Marker with regards to water and sewer easements. At
that time Mr. Niles felt that if the water and sewer were to go through the property that It would
make sense to further develop the property he awns. The concept plan of Mr.Niles showed the
Teri Ln.to form a culdesac. Mr. Shoppe questioned Mr. NNW why he would not have Teti Lane
continue through Mr.Marker's development to the north. Mr. Niles stated that he would not
extend the road through,because of the add traffic than It would allow. Mr.WywM stoted
that with the length of the street that it should be a through street and not a cwidesac. The
consensus of the Commission was that they were OK with the land use,compatibility to the area,
and the lot sizes,however,they did not agree with the c uldesac.
PC WIO Concept Plan-Fox River Estates,Wyndham Homes,Phil Kniedm
Ms.Robin Caldwell with Gary Webber Associates presented the project to the Commission. The
project had 40%open space, a 14 acre park ar facent to the Fox River,2 acres of sized
park area. The project contains 202 units with a density level at 2.1 units per acre. The lots are
smaller with more open area. A homeowners association would be set up to maintain the open
areas. The Commissions suggestions were to make the lots at lease 10,000 sq.ft. The padre
area adjacent to the dw was not acceptable,because most of lt is in s mod plane. Thane was
much concern because the development only contained one entrance and one street crosses the
railroad tracks. The Commission also felt that the duplex anew was incompatible with the area
usage. The Commission suggested that the lots be 12,000 sq.ftA0,000 only N the green space
backed up to the smaller lots. They also suggested that the duplexes be taken out completely.to
have the property conform to the surrounding area property,and to create a better treflfc pattem.
A motion to adjourn the meeting was made by Andrew Kubals and secxnndad by Anne U1010 o.
Respectfully submitted by Cindy Green
CITY OF YORKVILLE
PUBLIC HEARING
Kendall County Board Room
October 13, 1999 ?:OOP.M.
Public Heating: PC 9945 canrwnbai Ematn-Jl►rtnlsxatian& Raging
Alan Norton of Alan Dale Farms and Development, Developer.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Tom Undbiom Lawrence La gland Bryn St anger
Sandra Adams Anne tucietto Jade Jones
Tom Mizei Clarence Hol iman Joseph Besco
Jeff Baker Janet Reaves Andrew Kubala
Bob Wenman
Guests: Arthur Prochaska,Joe Wywmt,Atty Dan Kramer, Richard Sticks,Burt Cs nrer,Mikre
Shoppe. See also attached lied of additional guests.
An oath to tall the truth was given to the group from the audience that wished to speak.
Mr.Alan Norton spoke with regards to some of the changes that have been made to the
preliminary plan. The number of lots has been reduced to 111 and are all single family lots. He
has Increased the area for parks and has mlocaated it to one area that would consist of 1 314
ages. The storm and retention area has also been consolidated.
Mr. Onto Koch, Cannonball Trail Yorkville,spoke with regards to the zoning plan. He is
concerned with the R-2 zoning and feats that the property should be zoned R-1. He stated that 1
acre lots had been discussed at a prior meeting and are not included in the plan. He was also
concerned with truck traffic. He would also like to see the homes located Wong Ca nnonbaq Tray
face Cannonball Trail.
Mr.DO Garbe, Hickory Ln.Yorkville,spoke with regards to the impact this development would
have on the groundwater at this location. He distributed documentation that shows the depth of
groundwater and the aquifer material In Kendall County. He has had experience with water
Problems in the past and feels that this would possibly create a problem if the property were to
be developed as drawn. He also has a concern with Wound water contamination. He also
wPuSed concern wih ponds in the area.
Mr.Veme Henne,Route 34 Yorkville,spoke with regaMs to water f oodkup and retention. He
presented a picture that shows of the property after a 3 inch rain in February and stated that should be
approAmately developed m as like manner of the swrou ng propertyyllocateded on Cannonball Trail.
Mr.Mr.Joel Gilbert, Cannoolm Trail Yorkville,owns the property next to the retention area. He has
concern that the road would not support all the additional traffic flow. He Is also concerned with
the development changing the flow of the creek water and he would not be able to provide
adequate care for his livestock. He also stated that the retention area is a wet comer and floods
easily. He is also concerned that the change of the flaw in water will affect his septic bed.
Mr.Jim Liggett, C.annonbag Trait Yorkville, complimented the board on the concern with the
water issue. He stated that In years prior there has been some teems with the water supply.
He also stated that frozen ground,similar to the picture presented by Mr.Henn*, is similar to
blacktop and r+ools. He stated that there was a problem created with the water line nm along
Cannonball Trall and that there were some inaccurate er~ng reports. He Is conoemod drat
possibly 70%of the basements would be under wafter level. Yes,that with tho layout of the
develop rent,the properly meets the R-2 zoning requiremwrts,however,he would UM to am ttes
property developed similar to the surrounding property.
A motion was made by Andrew Kubela to adjourn the public hearing and was seconded by Jack
Jones.
Respecy submitted by Cindy Breen