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Plan Commission Minutes 1989 06-21-89 MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM JUNE 21, 1989 7:00 P.M. The June meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order with the following members in attendance: Harold Feltz, George Stewart, Clarence Holdiman, Don Ament, Lawrence Langland, Sandra Adams, Kevin Collman, Dave Greiter, Dan Laube. Absent: Rick Doetschman, Larry Bretthauer, Don Schoenfielder Others present: Mayor Bob Davidson, Fran Klaas, Jim Clarage, Tom Fletcher; Attorneys Tom Grant, Jim Olson, Bruce Bowman (Aurora) Chairman Feltz granted Tom Fletcher a few minutes to address the Commission on the Sesquicentennial celebration for Kendall County being planned for 1991. Mr. Fletcher invited anyone interested to contact him and offer to become a part of the group of individuals planning this event. The minutes of the May meeting were presented; motion to approve was made by Larry Langland and the second by Sandy Adams. Voice vote carried. PC89-17 -- FINAL PLAT - WOODWORTH ESTATES, PHASE 2 Tom Grant presented the final plat. He summarized that previously Phase 1 had been approved, Preliminary Plat (with suggested modifications) had been approved for Phase 2, and plans for Phase 3 had been presented. The updated map shows lot number changes -- correction for #38 through #42 (duplicate lot numbers had inadvertently been used. ) Tonight's request is for approval of the Final Plat with permission for the Chairman to sign off after engineering, etc. , had been completed. Chairman Feltz asked Fran Klaas about engineering plans -- he stated that were no apparent problems and engineering approval was expected within two weeks. Attorney Grant stated that the Plat met all necessary criteria; the covenants would be identical to those for Phase 1. Larry Langland made the motion to recommend approval of the Final Plat on Woodworth Estates, Phase 2. The second was made by Don Ament. Roll call vote carried: Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES page 2 PC89-18 -- KENDALL COUNTY REZONING A-1 TO R-3; 59.1 ACRES, 40 LOTS, EAGLE TERRACE SUBDIVISION -- LLOYD BOWMAN -- RT. 71 Bruce Bowman, Aurora Attorney, presented the petition for Lloyd Bowman. It was noted that the present zoning is Agricultural, but the land is not well suited for that use. However, the potential for residential use was favorable. The Aurora firm of Walter Deuchler & Associates took aerial photos prior to making the maps. Consideration had been given to any potential problems with lot size, sanitation, etc. Dave Greiter questioned the possibility of flooding; Mr. Bowman stated that the lots had been designed with the results of engineering studies in mind with respect to this problem. Chairman Feltz asked that the standard annexation clause with easement for sewer and water be included. Mayor Davidson reminded him that the property being within 1k miles of the city limits would require that any variance of subdivision ordinances must be requested & just reason be shown; otherwise, the developer would be expected to comply. Mr. Clarage stated that for zoning purposes, everything was consistent with low density specifications and in agreement with the comprehensive plan for the City. The motion to recommend approval of the rezoning from A-1 to R-3, 59.1 acres, the 40 lot Eagle Terrace Subdivision was made by Larry Langland; the second by Clarence Holdiman. follows: Ament - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes PC -19 --KENDALL COUNTY - HOLLINGSWORTH - ELDAMAIN RD. (CONTINUED FROM 04-19-89) Jim Olson stated that Mr. Hollingsworth was on vacation. He asked that the petition be tabled, but wanted to hear comments from the public in attendance if the Chairman would permit. (A list of citizens in attendance is on file with minutes. ) The basic concerns of the citizens were with storm water runoff problems and with a potentially adverse impact on the school district. Chairman Feltz and Mayor Davidson explained general procedures for channeling a County petition to those in attendance (Plan Commission to Council, then on to County. ) There was concern with the public as to whether a decision could have been made if Mr. Hollingsworth had been in attendance & prepared. Chairman Feltz assured that interested citizens would have the opportunity to give their comments at the Public Hearing to be conducted by the County. Further discussion was tabled. Citizens were invited to attend any future meeting. PC89-20 -- FINAL - FOXFIELD SUBDIVISION, PHASE 2 - TERI LANE - BARRY NILES PLAT Attorney Olson presented the petition. It was stated that this was basically an extension of Teri Lane. JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES PAGE 3 Mr. Clarage questioned the temporary turn around area that was shown on the Preliminary Plat outside of the platted area as a recorded easement, but is not shown on the Final Plat. Jim Olson stated that the easement would be drawn up separately. Dave Greiter asked why all extensions couldn't be done at one time instead of small areas at a time & also what the status of the engineering was. Fran Klaas stated that he had not as yet seen any engineering studies. Mr. Feltz said that any recommendation should include reference to the engineering and the turn 'around. Larry Langland made the motion to recommend approval of the Foxfield Subdivision, Phase 2, Teri Lane, subject to final engineering and documentation showing a turn around area at the north end of Teri Lane. The second was by Dan Laube. Roil: cglt vote iaftisd- as 001.1ows: Langland - yes Adams - yes Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes PC89-21 -- KENDALL COUNTY - BRISTOL WOODS SUBDIVISION - CORNEILS RD. - STANLEY ZEPELAK Jim Olson stated that Mr. Zepelak was not ready as yet. Studies for water, soil and other related concerns were still being conducted. He requested that discussion be tabled. PC89-22 -- PRELIMINARY PLAT - 704-714 N. BRIDGE ST. (3 DUPLEXES) - IRA PERKINS Jim Olson introduced the petition. The buildings in discussion are on the east side of Rt. 47 across from Apple Tree Court. Mr. Perkins wishes to sell the buildings at this time. It was stated that there was presently one driveway cut onto the highway; this would remain the same & would serve all three units. Larry Langland asked if there would be covenants; Olson said that there would be covenants using normal verbage. Also questioned was whether the property was within the city limits and whether utilities were now separate. If not separate, they would need to be changed at Mr. Perkin's expense. With regard to cuts onto Rt. 47, Mayor Davidson and Chairman Feltz would want to have it stated that if it is approved, it is done so because of existing conditions and not to set a precedent for future developments. Mr. Clarage suggested that it be noted on the Final Plat those things that might raise questions at the time of presentation -- deed covenants, access easements, maintenance agreements, etc. Don Ament made the motion to recommend approval of the Preliminary Plat with the recommendation of separate utilities and noting that this is not to set precedent; with the inclusion of access agreement and cross easements agreements to be shown on the Final Plat. The second was by Lahr? Langland. JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES PAGE 4 Mr. Clarage asked that it be noted for the record that with regard to zoning, the rear and side yard requirements cannot be met if the property is divided into separate lots. Mayor Davidson stated that it should be noted that any recommendation to approve state that it is given "as built and with no precendent set, including both the side and rear yard." Possibility of setting up as PUD was briefly discussed. Discussion followed as to the age of the buildings. It was decided that it was approximately 20 years ago that they were constructed -- no ordinances as are known today were in existance. With no further discussion, roll call vote carried the motion as follows: Adams - yes Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes . Ament - yes Langland - yes PC89-23 -- KENDALL COUNTY —PRELIMINARY PLAT - JOHN BAZAN - KENNEDY ROAD Mr. Bazan presented his petition. The property is located on the north side of Kennedy Road, west of the farm. Mr Peitz stated that he had been advised by the City Clerk that the County had not given requested zoning. Mr. Bazan stated that he had been told to come before the Plan Commission first. Discussion followed regarding annexation agreement provision, storm water runoff, road easements, & subdivision ordinance variances; it was noted that this de- velopment would need to comply with the standard being located within the 1k mile jurisdictional limits. Mayor Davidson mentioned that all developers in the Kennedy Road area were being asked to give a 33, easement for future road (from the centerline) . Some question was raised to the exact footage; Mr. Bazan would be asked to do the same as what others were asked to make the easement consistent. The Mayor further stated that being within the 12 mile limits, Mr. Bazan should consider the following: pavement to be a minimun of 251 , easement on Kennedy Rd. , all requirements of the city should be shown on the drawing or a variance should be requested. Otherwise, compliance would be expected. Mr. Clarage stated that although the agenda states "Preliminary Plat", zoning should be addressed first. The zoning request form should be one from the County rather than the City. He advised that Mr. Bazan have a letter of intent regarding annexation, sewer & water easement and Kennedy Rd. easement, prepared for a future presentation. The zoning issue only should be considered at this meeting. In order to meet County R-3 zoning guidelines (45,000 sq. ft. ) the plat would need to be re-evaluated and brought up-to-date. The motion to recommend approval of R-3 zoning on the proposed property was made by Larry Langland. The second was by George Stewart. JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES PAGE 5 RVIX ca.Lt vate -darrked t moti'o'n :as. €0'1•1.ows: Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Stewart- yes Holdiman - Abstain Ament - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes PC89-24 -- KENDALL COUNTY - FINAL PLAT - IVY'S SUBDIVISION - CANNONBALL TRAIL & RT. 34 Attorney Grant introduced the petition; he stated that the preliminary basis for the development had been introduced in September of 1988. He pointed out the detention easement off the edge of lot #3; the balance of the detention easement would be off the property and on the Conover property development. Restrictive covenants would require that any detention easement not be interfered with and the area must be maintained by the owner. It was further stated that all criteria set forth in the previous minutes (September minutes) had been met. Specifically, there would be no access onto Rt. 34 from lots #3, 4, 5; no access onto Cannonball Trail; expanded public utilities with easements granted to the City of Yorkville shown on the Plat; a larger temporary ;urn around is provided; curbs & gutters included in the plan. Included in the restrictive covenants is the standard annexation agreement; it is not shown on the Plat. Chairman Feltz stated that he had been advised by the City Clerk that the Preliminary Plat had not yet been approved by the County. Attorney Grant thinks that both the Preliminary and the Final will be approved simultaneously. Chairman Feltz ques- tioned the advisability of moving ahead without County approval of the Preliminary. Mayor Davidson suggested that approval could be recommended subject to approval by the County. He also requested that the Plan Commission receive copies of the plans for lighting, etc. , considering how close to the City the development is. Don Ament made the motion to recommend approval of the Final Plat of Ivy's Subdivision, Cannonball Trail& Rt. 34, subject to: (1) review of the Preliminary Plat and acceptance by the County; (2) Engineering approval; (3) Inclusion of the standard annexation agreement. The motion was seconded by Larry Langland. Roll call vote carried as follows: Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Collman - yes PC89-25 -- KENDALL COUNTY REZONING - HICKORY LANE ESTATES - GARY CONOVER Attorney Grant stated that the property is adjacent to Ivy Subdivision; Ivy Lane is extended to Hickory Lane. Tonight's presentation is a zoning only sketch. Adequate area for drainage on lots #5, 4, 3, is provided; water eventually drains into storm sewer manhole. Zoning is consistent with R-3 specs. 60' Right-of-way is provided. The only question is with sidewalks -- Attorney Grant thought this could be a concern. The issue was never addressed when Ivy was presented. Mayor Davidson suggested that it would be handled at the time of the Preliminary Plat presentation. JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES PAGE 6 Discussion followed with regard to septic allowance and consideration given to future extension of water line to this area. Mayor Davidson would prefer to at least have a water main around the property for fire protection purposes, but allow septics if necessary. Chairman Feltz stated that in his opinion the conflict is that Ivy was brought in before guidelines were established for the jurisdictional limits developments and Hickory was not. Even though the subdivisions are separate parcels, they should be treated as one; the Commission will need some direction from the Council. Mayor Davidson stated that the matter would be tabled to committee. The zoning issue could be acted on at this meeting. The motion to recommend approval of the zoning change from A-1 to R-3 County with no consideration given to actual subdivision layout was made by Dan Laube. The second was by George Stewart. Roll call vote carried as follows: Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Langland - yes Adams - yes Collman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes PC89-26 -- KENDALL COUNTY - FINAL PLAT - FOX GLEN SUBDIVISION - 19 LOTS - FOX RD. It was noted for the record that Larry Langland would abstain from this portion of the meeting. Jim Olson presented the Plat. He stated that the following concerns from the April Plan Commission had been addressed: 1. Description of roadway in and out of the property 2. A 20' utility easement for utilities had been added 3. Notation concerning mechanical septice system included 4. Issue of Fox Road access resolved 5. Standard annexation agreement provided 6. Detention and drainage issue resolved With regard to engineering, it was noted that Fran Klaas would not see the engineering study; generally the County would review on property located that far out. It was stated by Mr. Olson that curbs and gutters would be provided, the streets would be 28' wide, lights would be located at Fox Road intersections, and a sidewalk variance would be asked for. The motion to recommend approval of the Final Plat of the Fox Glen Subdivision was made by George Stewart. The second was by Kevin Collman. Roll call vote carried: Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Langland - Abstain Adams - yes Coltman - yes Greiter - yes Laube - yes Feltz - yes Chairman Feltz expressed his appresiation of having so many members of the Plan Commission in attendance and stressed the importance of input from all members. JUNE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES PAGE 7 Mayor Davidson introduced the issue of changing the meeting night of the Plan Commission to facilitate getting the recommendations to the County in a timely manner. Discussion followed and it was noted that all obvious choices posed problems of one sort or another. It was finally decided to keep the third Wednesday as the scheduled night for the present. It was agreed that any topics pertaining to County would be rough drafted and faxed to the City Office on Thursday following the meeting; it would not be considered complete, but would show main concerns and the decision reached concerning recommendations. The question was asked as to when the Salisbury property was re-zoned. It was thought to be 1969 or 1970, but could not be verified. It was confirmed that it had always been a grocery store type property. (It is now the McKeever building. ) There are two or lots behind the existing building on which the owners want to put up a business. The city zoning map indicates B-2, but they would like to verify when the re-zoning actually was granted. It was suggested to scan the Kendall County Record publications for a possible answer. Dave Greiter asked whether or not the PUD on the multiple apartments had ever been decided. Mayor Davidson said that it was never voted on in Council to make it into law. The outcome is uncertain. The motion to adjourn was made by Larry Langland. The second was by Don Ament. Chairman Feltz adjourned the June meeting of the Plan Commission at approximately 9:30 p.m. anne M. Ellertson Recording Secretary PLAN COMMISSION MEETING SIGN-IN SHEET NAME ADDRESS T: 'S V.G AIOVt uc l 2 3 Y o 2 f v Est P LAA10 7 letA"�,t-v Sv �� PLAN COMMISSION MEETING SIGN-IN SHEET AtDDRES , i o �o ��� �12 Pd l