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MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF
THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS
HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM
SEPTEMBER 20, 1989 7:00 P.M.
The September meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Larry Langland,
acting Chairman in the absence of Harold Feltz, with the following members present:
George Stewart, Clarence Holdiman, Larry Langland, Sandy Adams
Rick Doetschman, Dave Greiter
Absent: Harold Feltz, Don Ament, Larry Bretthauer, Kevin Collman,
Don Schoenfielder, Dan Laube
Others in attendance included Mayor Davidson, Fran Klaas, Jim Clarage,
Attorney Tom Grant, Petitioner Gary Conover and interested citizens
as listed on the sign-in sheet on file with the minutes.
The minutes from the August meeting were approved as written. The motion was made
by George Stewart, the second by Sandy Adams.
PC89-32 -- PRELIMINARY PLAT - HICKORY LANE ESTATES SUBDIVISION - RT. 34 &
CANNONBALL TRAIL - KENDALL COUNTY
The petition was presented by Attorney Tom Grant. The following points were
highlighted:
1. The preliminary plat is the same as the original zoning sketch, which
was approved with no apparent problems.
2. The intent is to have this handled the same as with Ivy Subdivision --
if approval is recommended, it should include that as long as the final
plat complies with the preliminary and is accepted by the County, then
approval is also recommended to the City.
3. Basically, tonight's issue is to make certain that the plan complies
with all subdivision ordinances with respect to engineering.
4. With regard to variations, it is believed that both the Zoning Board
of Appeals and the City Council will approve the variations in the same
manor as was done with Ivy Subdivision. The variations would include:
a. No requirement for public sanitary sewer or water
b. No sidewalks on the interior; lots #5, 4, 3, on the Rt. 34
side to be improved when Ivy Subdivision is improved with
sidewalks on the same lot numbers.
C. Street lights -- they are asking for a variation, but do
expect a request to be made for the installation of a street
light in the cul-de-sac area. This is agreeable and will be
located in agreement with the city engineer and to be installed
at the time development begins.
Tonight's discussion will include the roadway to the north. The Conover's are
agreeable to either the continuance of the road through both subdivisions.or
a cul-de-sac.
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If this is done, the name will be changed to "Hickory Lane" through both sub-
,�.divisions. If the decision is to include a cul-de-sac instead, that is also
acceptable.
Jim Clarage questioned the no access strip along Rt. 34, the curbs, and the utility
easement and noted that all three were present. Rick Doetschman questioned the
drainage and it was stated that there would be a storm sewer which would be
diverted to open detention area. Attorney Grant also mentioned that the main-
tenance of the drainage areas had been worked out and approved by the County.
Mr. Clarage gave his opinion that the preliminary was sufficiently complete to
have both the preliminary and. final to be included in the recommendation to
approve if the board so decides.
Attorney Grant asked that those in attendance be allowed to voice their concerns.
Mr. Langland allowed Kyle Price to act as a spokesman for the group and state
the major areas of concern. Copies of the relative statements were given to each
plan commission member to review (on file with the minutes) . The basic position
of the landowners who would be affected by the final decision was that the
cul-de-sac should be allowed rather than a through street. Reasons given included:
safety factors, economic advantages for resale, security of dead end streets, and
environmental concerns. Statements of concern were also presented by Arthur
Crawford and Don Garbe.
Dave Greiter gave his views concerning problems with getting emergency vehicles
in and out of areas such as this. Mayor Davidson stated that a through street
was preferred by the School District, the Fire Department, the Yorkville_'Pb_ ice
Chief and Sheriff Randall. This subdivision was built before present ordinances;
now there is a choice whether or not to make a second entrance. There are no
statistics reported, but the viewpoints of the above departments have been voiced
to the Mayor.
Mr. Price stated in summary that those individuals present tonight should not
be targeted in view of all the existing cul-de-sacs in Yorkville, many of which
were recently approved. Their concerns in keeping their dead end street should
now be given deeper consideration.
Jim Clarage stated the following concerns that had been addressed:
1. Street light at cul-de-sac.
2. Waive sidewalks except as listed on lot #5, 4, 3.
3. Sewer and no access easements were provided.
4. The name change to Hickory should the street go through is provided.
5. Additional street light on Cannonball Trail will be installed if required.
Mayor Davidson suggested that any motion made state that the issue of sidewalk,
sewer & water be waived dependent on the decision of the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Rick Doetschman asked for Mr. Conover's opinion on the issue. He replied that
the cul-de-sac would be the most desireable; however, he would go either ,ray to
get the development approved. Attorney Grant agreed that all indications to date
suggested a through street.
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Further discussion followed -- Plan Commission member Greiter stating concerns
with getting emergency vehicles, snow removal vehicles, disposal trucks, school
buses, etc. , in and out of the area; those in attendance presenting their ar-
guments and views.
Larry Langland suggested that ample time had been given to the presentation of
relative facts and opinions and asked for a recommendation from the Plan Commission
keeping in mind that the final decision rests with the County.
Clarence Holdiman made the motion to recommend to the City the approval of the
Preliminary Plat provided that a cul-de-sac rather than a road going through
to Hickory Lane is shown; if such change is made, the recommendation is to
include the approval of final plat also. The second was made by Rick Doetschman.
Roll call vote carried the motion as follows:
Stewart - no Holdiman - yes Langland - yes Doetschman - yes
Adams - yes Greiter - no
The motion to adjourn was made by Larry Langland and seconded by George Stewart.
The meeting adjourned at approximately 8:30 p.m.
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Joanne M. Ellertson, Recording Secretary
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING L oZL� -
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The benefits of acting upon the suggestions from concerned
parties relative to the development of the Conover Property
located directly south of the Oak Knolls Subdivision off
Cannonball Trail.
1. Have Gary Conover a long-time local builder happy to make
the best possible use of the land for future generations.
2. Have a county that will be happy with the use of the land.
3. Have a city that will be happy with the use of the land.
4. Have present citizens be happy with the use of the land.
5. Have future citizens be happy with the use of the land.
To accomplish the above mentioned objectives the following should
be considered:
1. With the recently changed zoning of the Conover Property,
the present residents ' lifestyles should be affected as little
as possible.
2. Each subdivision should remain as a separate subdivision.
To accomplish the two above objectives the following would
be a solution:
1. Since Ivy Lane has already been approved as a Lane name,
continue the Lane into the Conover Property and make a
cul-de-sac.
Ivy Lane could serve as entrance and exit for those 10 houses
in both the combined Ivy and Conover subdivisions.
By doing this the following would be accomplished:
1. The two lots at the north end of the Conover property could
be larger.
2. The developer would save money in the development by not
having to put in at least 250 feet of Asphalt and Curbs and
those responsible for maintenence also would save by not having
to maintain the extra unnecessary road area.
3. Oak Knolls could remain a separate subdivision using the
existing lane that is there. This would still keep the Oak
Knolls subdivision a quiet, secluded, attractive location.
Property values would not be decreased.
4. By not connecting a much wider asphalt Ivy Lane with curbs
to a narrower oil and chips Hickory Lane with a Country Look,
the continuity and the personality of each subdivision could
be maintained and not appear to be mismatched where the proposed
joining would be.
This would also allow the 30 Year Old Pin Oak Tree to remain
standing in all its DIGNITY.
5. Since there is Ivy Lane to use for an entrance and an exit,
this would be a good compromise instead of making an entrance
Off of U. S. Route 34.
6. All subdivisions would benefit by having attractive features
such as quiet streets, cul-de-sacs, and the beauties of nature.
(See Attached)
7. Nature, and wildlife, and the present trees could all
be left in their present setting without major changes.
8. The SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY
of the current residents and the future residents would be
protected by not having a through street resulting in extra
unnecessary traffic.
We ask that you help us with this plan for the benefit of all
the parties involved.
Thank you.
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