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Plan Commission Minutes 1988 10-19-88 ` MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE, KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS, HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM OCTOBER 19, 1988 7:00 P.M. The regular meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by Chairman Feltz and then recessed for approximately one-half hour to conduct the Public Hearing. Members attending the October meeting were as follows: Chairman Feltz, George Stewart, Clarence Holdiman, Don Ament, Dave Greiter. Absent were: Larry Langland, Mary Kay Price, James Stafford, Rick Doetschman, Larry Bretthauer, Kevin Coltman and Don Schoenfielder. Others present: Jim Clarage, Mayor Davidson, Fran Klaus, Bill Radke, and Attorneys Tom Grant, Tom Cross, Dan Kramer & Jim Olson. The minutes for September were reviewed and approved. The motion was made by Don Ament and seconded by Clarence Holdiman; motion carried by voice vote. PC88-42 -- PETITION TO ANNEX & ZONE FROM A-1 TO R-2 19.954 ACRES BY FRANK TAUS -- QUINSEY RD. Attorney Tom Cross stated that there was nothing to add that had not been presented at the Public Hearing. Chairman Feltz asked if the petitioner owned all the land over to Fox River Gardens. Mr. Taus stated that he owned the land to Wackerlin and two lots into the subdivision (northeast corner) . He does not own land to the east -- about ten acres. Dave Greiter questioned the drainage ditch as to ownership and why it had not yet been constructed. It was then verified that the agreement was that con- struction would be mandatory after the 15 acres in question were developed. Mr. Greiter further questioned if the sewer and water facilities would be adequate. Mayor Davidson stated they would be. The only question was relative to the lift station. Mr. Greiter stated that if there would be future costs involved for a storm sewer, lift station and adequate water provisions, perhaps they should enter into the annexation decision. Chairman Feltz stated that the developer should certainly be made aware of the concerns of the Plan Commission with regard to subdivision development of the property. Chairman Feltz asked if the sewer system would go into the Main Street line. The question was capacity of this 8" line -- the Mayor stated that this was far from full; the flows have been checked as part of a study of the city's sewer system in general. The capacity of the lift station is a different matter. If the lift station needs to be oversized, that will have to be part of the negotiations between the developer and the city at the proper time. The question of how much property was owned by Mr. Taus was asked .- he .said the entire parcel was 127 acres. Chairman Feltz stated his concern with the development potential of the entire property and how it would affect the over- all plan. Mr. Taus stated for the record that if these twenty acres were sold, he would come back with an architectural sketch of a complete plan for development. PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - PAGE 2 Chairman Feltz stated that this did not have to be exact -- but a tentative plan would be valuable. Dave Greiter questioned ownership of the property to the west. All but six acres belongs to William Wackerlin. This six acres is owned by Barry Niles and is directly north of Foxfield. In response to a question about the annexation agreement, it was stated. that Dan Kramer had and is preparing minor revisions. Dave Greiter asked for the opinion of Jim Clarage -- it is Mr. Greiter's opinion that a lot of houses have been added, but not additional utility provisions. Mr. Clarage stated that it was a medium to low density request and was consistent with the compre- hensive plan. Dave further questioned the tax situation. Mayor Davidson stated that the property would be taxed as A-1 until improvements were made. As long as the land is farmed the tax rate will not change. The adjacent properties will not change with respect to tax value; however, the value of the property itself will increase due to greater development potential. Chairman Feltz acknowledged the residential development to the east and to the west and that the city was growing outward. His concern is with utilities and drainage -- both of which are engineered. Mr. Greiter asked if this would be the best time to handle the storm sewer problem. It was verified that the next developer would be responsible for the running of the storm sewer. This was part of the original agreement. Mr. Niles is cutting the first portion of the ditch at his expense. Jim Clarage stated that it was his opinion that this request was consistent with the comprehensive plan and sees no reason not to approve. The motion to recommend approval of the annexation and zoning to R-2 the 19.954 acres on Quinsey Road was made by Don Ament and seconded by Clarence Holdiman. Roll call vote carried the motion as follows: Feltz - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Greiter - yes PC88-43 -- PRELIMINARY PLAT - 4 ACRE / 2 LOT SUBDIVISION BY JIM PERKINS -- END OF E. ORANGE ST. Attorney Tom Grant presented the petition. It was filed as a variation and and a request for approval of the preliminary plat. This is a 4-Acre parcel to be developed into a 2 lot subdivision. It was stated that the zoning board of appeals recommended approval to the City Council. Attorney Grant further stated that the petitioner was requesting the map as presented be treated as a pre- liminary plat to allow the formal plat plans to proceed. It was stated that most requirements and recommendations of the city are shown on the map -- building site and setbacks and also the easement for street purposes as well as public and private utilities on both sides of the dividing line and along the railroad right of way. Both lots will be served by city water and sewer and lines will be extended as required. PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - PAGE 3. Access to both sites would create the turn around provision for emergency vehicles, etc. No present plans to provide a cul-de-sac are being considered. Reference was made to a previous situation and the resulting recommendations. At that time a 60' easement was required -- the same is provided with this plan. Jim Olson reviewed the differences between the proposed development and the one previously submitted -- there was not an adequate space for a driveway turn around on the other piece of property. This was caused by the lay of the land and narrow frontage. Dave Greiter questioned the sewer situation. Mayor Davidson said that there would have to be a lift station provided at the developer's expense. Chairman Feltz questioned an additional street light to help light up the turn around area. Mr. Clarage stated that the rule was to have a light at the end of each street or intersection. Mr. Clarage suggested that the petitioner consider a drainage easement along with the utility easement. He stated that the 60' right of way and 30' setback from that point were adequate. Attorney Grant agreed with the drainage provision. Dave Greiter asked if a cul-de-sac turn around would be more practical than just a driveway turn around. He expressed concern with emergency vehicles as well as school buses and garbage disposal trucks, etc. Jim Perkins added that there was presently no such provision. Mr. Clarage stated that the cul-de-sac should actually have been provided on what has already been platted. To make the present developer put such a provision in is not realistic, especially in view of the 12' differential. This is one situation where this is the best possible layout. George Stewart agreed that the present plan was the best alternative. The motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plat for the 4-Acre 2-Lot Subdivision by Jim Perkins at the end of E. Orange St. with considerations of all recommendations of the Plan Commission was made by Clarence Holdiman and seconded by George Stewart. Roll call vote carried the motion as follows: Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes Greiter - yes Feltz - yes PC88-44 -- KENDALL COUNTY REQUEST TO REZONE A-1 TO R-1 & R-3 APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES BY KAREN L. DESMEDT - KENNEDY ROAD Jim Olson presented the petition. The property is located about one-half mile east of Rt. 47 & Kennedy Rd. (East of the Brenart property) Jim Olson discussed the proximity of this property to the adjacent property, soil types and driveway provisions. Mr. Olson acknowledged the sight problem presently existing. In response to the Mayor's question of the width of the road, Mr. Olson confirmed that it was 551 . He suggested that provision for widening be included in the plan. Mr. Olson agreed that the additional 33 ' easement be provided. It was agreed that the utility easement would be provided along the front and along the the private road. Chairman Feltz stated that the main concerns were with road width, utility easement and annexation agreement clause. Jim Clarage added that the development as presented was in co-ordination with the comprehensive plan. The motion to recommend the aproval of the rezoning from A-1 to R-1 & R-3 of the 15 acres by Karen DeSmedt along Kennedy Road was made by George Stewart. The second was by Don Ament. Roll call vote carried as follows: Ament - yes Greiter - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes a PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - PAGE 4 a The motion to recommend approval included the three recommendations of the Plan Commission with respect to road width, utility easement and annexation clause. PC88-45 -- KENDALL COUNTY REQUEST TO REZONE A-1 TO R-3 BY PHILLIP PULFER -- 4383 TUMA ROAD. The petition was presented by Phillip Pulfer. Chairman Feltz questioned access to the property proposed for rezoning. Mr. Pulfer answered that a gravel road was provided. There is additional land that goes down to the river that is not included in the request. Mr. Pulfer stated that this land was not buildable. It was suggested to include this portion since it would be land locked if not included with this rezoning request. Mr. Clarage asked what the county recommended relative to this portion of this land. Mr. Pulfer stated that the only re- commendation was that if the the proposed home was subsequently sold, an easement would have to be provided for access. Mayor Davidson stated that he would re- commend that the point in question be included in the annexation or that the easement be provided. Alderman Radke stated that it would be a unilateral agree- ment (the petitioner would be in effect protected from himself. ) Mr. Clarage stated that no variances are being requested -- if the County is in favor of the rezoning, then it should be all right with the Plan Commission. Chairman Feltz asked for a recommendation. George Stewart made the motion to recommend the approval of the rezoning from A-1 to R-3 provided that the concerns and recommendations of the Plan Commission be considered. The second was made by Don Ament. Roll call vote carried as follows: Greiter - yes Feltz - yes Stewart - yes Holdiman - yes Ament - yes The October meeting of the Plan Commission was adjourned at approximately 8:30 P.M. oanne M. Ellertson Recording Secretary MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE UNITED CITY OF THE VILLAGE OF YORKVILLE,KENDALL COUNTY ILLINOIS, HELD AT THE KENDALL COUNTY BOARD ROOM OCTOBER 19, 1988 7:00 P.M. The regular meeting of the Plan Commission was adjourned to conduct the Public Hearing scheduled on the agenda. In attendance were Plan Commission members as listed in the minutes and interested citizens as listed in the sign-in sheet. PETITION TO ANNEX & ZONE TO R-2 19.954 ACRES BY FRANK TAUS - QUINCY ROAD Chairman Feltz welcomed those in attendance and invited their comments on the discussion of the above petition and then conducted the swearing in of those in attendance. Attorney Tom Cross introduced the petition. It was stressed that tonight's request was for annexation approval only. The property in question consists of approximately 20 acres located east of the Foxfield subdivision and on the northeast corner of Quinsey Road. No plans for subdivision development are presently being considered. Should plans be intro- duced in the future, the petitioner realizes that it would be necessary to come before the Plan Commission at that time. Chairman Feltz stated that even though the request is for annexation only, it still has to be considered with respect to the entire plan - such issues as how the development affects adjacent property, water, sewer & drainage plans. Tom Grant referenced the plans in effect for a drainage ditch from Foxfield all the way to the River. Whether this ditch could handle additional flow from future development would be an engineering question. Mayor Davidson responded that when the engineering study was done in conjuction with the Foxfield project, it was determined that the ditch could handle an additional flow created by another 15 to 20 acres. This particular section was approved in agreement with Barry Niles to flow into the open ditch he was pro- viding. Any additional property development would require other provisions. With respect to access, Chairman Feltz expressed concern over the possible island situation that could be created. Mr. Taus referred to previous discussions of extending Quinsey perhaps as far as Tuma Rd. He stated that he had agreed to dedicate the necessary land for this and for the possible roadway that would be needed for further Woodworth development. Gerald Radsek, owner of one of the Foxfield lots, questioned the lot size on the proposed property should it be subdivided. Attorney Dan Kramer verified that the required size was 14,000 sq. ft. Mr. Radsek thought that the city required the Foxfield lots to be increased in size. Mayor Davidson stated that this was not the case -- the larger lot sizes were determined by Mr. Niles. Hearing no further comments, Chairman Feltz closed the Public Hearing. J an a M. Ellertson, Recording Secretary PUBLIC HEARING -- REGISTRATION SHEET IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR ARE IN ATTENDANCE AS AN OBSERVER, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR NAME & ADDRESS BELOW: NAME ADDRESS y/ 3 a in e '{'1 ,sd c�