Plan Commission Minutes 1984 06-26-84 • MINUTES OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF YORKVILLE
HELD AT CITY HALL ON JUNE 26, 1984 AT 7:00 P.M.
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Chairman Jerry Groner called the meeting to order. Roll call was taken with
the following members present: Mr. Beaudry, Mr. Ament, Mr. Stewart, Mr. Groner,
Mr. Kenton, and Mrs. Price. Also in attendance were Jim Clarage, Larry Jennings,
and Mr. & Mrs. Mike McCurdy. Mr. Stewart moved to approve the minutes from the
April 24, 1984 meeting as written. Mr. Kenton seconded the motion. All members
present voting aye.
Review of the Rough Drafts of the Swimming Pool and Fence Ordinances
Chairman Groner stated that the order of business tonight was to review and
revise the rough drafts of the swimming pool and fence ordinances. He stated
that he had received a letter from Mr. Johnson, Director of Public Works,
expressing his opinions to be taken into consideration on the ordinances.
Chairman Groner read from the letter. I:t stated that Mr. Johnson was con-
cerned about Section 1, paragraph A, or Section 4, paragraph A stating the
definition of a swimming pool being 24 inches in height..and the minimum amount
of a building permit fee being $25. Mr. Johnson suggested changing the definition
to 36 inches and having a flat fee of $5 for small pools. Mr. Clarage stated
that the definition of a swimming pool in many model ordinances is 24 inches in
heights. He felt that there is7a certain depth of a pool that must be considered
a pool and not just a wading pool. Mr. Kenton suggested giving out occupancy
permits for the smaller pools, and that there should be some safety standards
for little pools. Chairman Groner stated that many of the smaller pools are
taken down at the end of summer, and that they are not a permanent installation.
Mr. Clarage recommended either making the fees for a building permit lower or
changing the definition of a swimming pool to something deeper. Mr. Beaudry
suggested changing the permit fee and to keep the same definition. He felt
that if it takes $15 for an inspection then the minimum fee should be $15.
All members felt that 24 inch swimming pools would be the most dangerous to
small children, so they should require that a fence be put around them. Mr.
Stewart inquired as to how the City would enforce the inspections. Alderman
Jennings stated that in the future the City may have a full-time building
inspector or engineer.
Mr. Clarage questioned whether any of the members had any comments on Section
12 concerning the compliance time of three years. Mr. Stewart questioned
when this ordinance would go into effect. All members felt that a three (3)
year period was a long time to apply. The members felt that a 18 month
compliance time would be more suitable so as to allow a person a whole summer
to comply.
Chairman Groner inquired as to why the walls of an above ground pool would
not be considered an adequate barrier. Mr Clarage stated that a 6. foot fence
should be required around all pools including above ground pools. Mr. Clarage
also stated that a 3 foot fence would be needed over and above the walls of
the above ground swimming pools so as to keep a person from falling over the
fence. Chairman Groner felt that a clause stating that the judgement of the
building officer should be included in the ordinance. Mr. Stewart felt it
should be put at the end of the ordinance so as to incorporate the entire
ordinance. Chairman Groner felt that the ordinance was very restrictive and
that the building inspector will have a difficult time enforcing it. The
members agreed that a statement concerning the judgement of the Building Inspector
should be included.
Chairman Groner entertained that a motion be made that the Plan Commission
recommend the swimming pool ordinance to the City Council as revised. Mr.
Kenton made the motion, and Mrs. Price seconded it. A roll call vote was
taken.
Kenton - aye Stewart - aye Beaudry - aye
Price - aye Groner - aye Ament - aye
Motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Groner stated that Mr. Johnson was concerned with Section 1, paragraph
E and F of the Fencing Ordinance concerning barbed wire and electric fences
not being permitted in the City limits. He felt that the City would have
trouble requiring this to be brought up to standards within three years. Mr.
Johnson was also concerned with the building fees because the City loses
money on some of them now. He suggested setting up the fees with the City
Attorney and also having him read over the ordinances for legal aspects. Mr.
Kenton stated that in some areas a resident is charged for a violation if
the building inspector must return.
Mr. Kenton felt that front yard fences should be prohibited. Mr. Beaudry
questioned whether the City had the power to enforce that front yard fences
not be allowed. Mr. Clarage stated that Section 10, paragraph C was
included for people who have problems with people cutting across their front
yards. Mr. Clarage suggested deleting the word except and adding the word
only.
Mr. Clarage stated that he tried to leave the door open as much as possible,
by making a chart on the last page of the ordinance. He created a PUD section
so someone could get a permit for fences not allowed if permitted by the
Zoning Board of Appeals or the Plan Commission.
Chairman Groner suggested that Mr. Jennings take the ordinances to committee
before referring them to the City Council. Mr. Jennings stated that would
be his next step and then the committee would refer it back to the Plan Commission
with their revisions. They would then be referred to the City Council.
Chairman Groner questioned whether there were any more comments to be made on
the fencing ordinance. He then entertained that a motion be made that the
Plan Commission recommend to the City Council the Fencing Ordinance as revised.
Mr. Kenton made the motion, and Mr. Ament seconded it. A roll call vote was
taken.
Price - aye Beaudry - aye Ament - aye
Groner - aye Stewart - aye Kenton - aye
Motion carried 6-0.
Chairman Groner stated that he would be unable to attend the next meeting on
July 24, 1984. Mr. Ament stated that he would act as chairman.
Mike McCurdy and his wife were present with a map of the area that they intended
to build on at the end of E: Washington and Olsen Streets. He questioned when
he-applies. for a building permit would a 60 ft. easement be required of him on
the proposed property. He stated that he had talked with Mr. Johnson and Mr.
Jennings, and they both felt that an easement would not be feasible. They felt
that he should get a more official word from the Plan Commission on their
feelings toward whether an easement would be required or not. He stated that
if an easement was required, it would make a difference on where he could
build his house. He also stated that he would not purchase the property if
an easement was required. Chairman Groner stated that the commission would
need to see a map of the area, his proposed plans for the house, and where
he would put the house. Chairman Groner also stated that the Plan Commission
would have to take into consideration the land directly east of the property.
tHe questioned whether the proposed street was suppose to extend completely
through the proposed subdivision, and if it does, the City may require the
easement. Mr. Kenton stated that the set plans for the subdivision have
already been made. The Commission suggested having the City Clerk look into
it further and find a map of the subdivision and how it is platted. They also
felt that he should make an application to be put on the agenda for the next
Plan Commission meeting. Mr. McCurdy asked the procedure of applying for a
building permit, and how long the permit would be Ualid. He also questioned
whether it would be renewable. Mr. Kenton stated that a building permit would
not be issued until the plans were approved by the Plan Commission. Mr.
Jennings stated that the commission would need to know why he would not be
able to build on the land if an easement was required. Mr. McCurdy thanked
the Commission for their time.
Chairman Groner asked for any additional business. Mr. Stewart then made a
motion to adjourn. Mr. Beaudry seconded the motion. All members present
voting aye. The meeting was adjourned.
Debbie Robertson, Rec. Secretary