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Plan Commission Minutes 1978 05-23-78 � a Y YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION YORKVILLE ILLINOIS 60560 Dr. Robert Coleman Lawrence Langland James Kenton Robert J. Mahoney Harold Feltz Fred Dollman Dale Woodworth Mary K. Price Steve Franks MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION 23 May 1978 8 P.M. Chairman Robert Coleman called the regular meeting of the Yorkville Plan Comm- ission to order. Those in attendance were Dr. Coleman,, Mr. Mahoney, Mr. Fe1tzq Mr. Langlando Mr. Dollman, Mrs. Price, Mr. Woodworth, Mr. Franksp Mr. Claragep Mr. Beach and Mr. Harker. Mr. Woodworth noted that the April 1978 minutes incorr- ectly stated that Mrs. Merkle was the only adjacent property owner to Kellett and Weiss (Worsley Addition). In facto her property is adjacent tb Mr. Fetlz's property. The secretary was instructed to delete this sentence from the minutes. Mr. Woodworth then moved to approve the minutes as amended and was seconded by Mr. Feltz. All present voting aye. Motion carried. 78.12 Mr. Mezger - 71 Lots - Review Yorkshire Estates Attorney Tom Grantq representing Mr. Mezger, stated they were back with their original seventy one lot proposal and that they were disregarding the second alternate proposal. The new drawing shows a pedestrian walkway starting at White Fawn Court going west to east on the property. He said the most significant problem dealt with supplying water to the subdivision and that they had met with the city council water committee who had accepted the following proposal. The developer will pay the entire cost of extending a 12 inch water main to the subdivision. A 12 inch main will be extended through the subdivision and the city will pay the cost diff- erence between an 8 inch and 12 inch main. Anything on site from 8 to 12 inch will be paid for by the city. Mr. Grant stated that because of this,, it appears the problem has been resolved. They would now propose to file a petition with the city for a pre-annexation agreement. Also because of the agreement regarding the water mainsv the developer was asking the city to waive the subdivision control ordinance re- garding 1) sidewalks 2) curbs and gutters and 3) a total storm sewer system. Mr. Bill Perry, Intech Consultants, stated that because of the size of the lotsp they will extend a 12 inch line down Van Emmon to the westerly edge of the subdivision. Alderman Beach confirmed this. Mr. Langland asked how the storm water would be taken care of. Mr. Perry stated they inte;ided to provide a system to defuse the flow of excess run off by using swales and checks where necessary and at the end of the cul-de- sac would provide storm sewers. They do not want a storm sewer to collect all the water and dump it all at once into the creek. There will be a storm water management area at the north end and additional management areas in the upper reaches of the property. They will provide an easement for these areas. Volume will be in the management areas (detention pond). They will provide a wyer by Van Emmons In essence, they intend to 1, defuse the flow of water and 2 check the flow for erosion problems. Mr. Dollman stated that it sounded like this would cost a lot of money and asked what the cost would be for the two retention areas. Mr. Perry responded that he did not know the cost factor at this time. _ 2_ May 1978 Meeting Mr. Feltz asked if the pond would hold water or was these a method for drainage. Mr. Perry stated they intended to provide a dry bed detention area. Mr. Dollman inquired if any bonding was necessary for this. Mr. Perry res- ponded that they can only be responsible within the confines of the ordinance. Mr. Perry stated they will not be disregarding retention provisions and that they will not be increasing the rate of run off. He said that he could not predict furture rainfall amounts. Mr. Clarage stated there were also other conditions which contribute to water running over the road. Mr. Perry stated they would not make the problem worse and that they must check excess run off cuased by this subdivision according to the ordianeance. Mr. Langland stated that we must now drastically reduce the problem and that we were all well aware of the water problem which was considerable. He said that our ordinance requires a total storm system. Mr. Perry stated that they did not want to have an open ditch. They would provide a storm sower but not in the traditional sense. They now want to defuse the flow and hold the water in the upper reaches (high ground) in order to have fewer problems down stream. He also said the site was heavily treed and that he felt swales and checks would help to preserve the trees. Mr. Dollman asked if we had received a soil and water conservation report and a report from the city engineer as previou"siy requested. Mr. Feltz then read from the minutes of the February 1978 plan commission meeting regarding this subdivision. Mr. Grant stated that we were still at the pre—application conference stage and had been since September. If approval was received tonightV they would go to the pre-.application stage. Mr. Feltz then read the minutes from the October 1977 meeting regarding Yorkshire Estates. Mr. Grant stated that in December after meeting with city officialsp they had reached a dead end and that they had then come back with the second proposal. They then. met again with the city and have tentatively agreed to a solution regarding water extention to the subdivision. Mr. Dollman stated it seemed we were just playing games if they had already reached an agreement with the city and that the plan commission did not seem to serve any purpose at this time. Mr. Grant stated that the extention of water had to be agreed to by the city as they control the money and that the extention of the water mains affect the variations. Mr. Dollman asked why no money figures and more facts had not been presented tonight. He said we could make no recommendations without further facts. Mr. Beach stated that there was no sense in going farther earlier if the water problem could not be resolved. Mr. Grant stated that the city had the figures and that with the water problemp they had to go to the city council to see what could be done to get the water to the subdivision. Based upon the facts and figures presented to the councill the advantages of having the developer install a 12 inch water' main to the subdivision far outweighs the detriment to the city by not putting in all the improvements. Mr. Mahoney stated that we have noted our objections and that they are on record. As they are not now asking us to vote on anything,, we can go no further tonight. Mr. Woodworth noted we had not heard anything about the width of the road. Mr. Langland said we still have our original objections. Mr. Dollman stated that our questions had not been responded to and that the objections we had in October 1977 and February 1978 still stand. He also said he 3 _ 3 _ May 1978 Meeting could see no reason now to make him, change his mind regarding waiving provisions of the subdivision control ordinance. Dr. Coleman stated he felt a wise decision had been made regarding watery but not at the expense of disregarding provisions of the subdivision control ordinance. Mr. Langland stated he was in favor of the concept but still felt there were major problems. Mr. Feltz stated that we have previously expressed our opinions and that they know what to expect from us. - Mr. Harker suggested that a joint meeting of the plan commission and water committee might be beneficial. Mr. Mezger stated that he felt onl� 6bjections had been noted in the minutes and that no vote had ever been taken. Mr. Mahoney stated that at this pointy we can only state our areas of objections and agreements. Mr. Feltz stated he felt we were basically in favor of the subdivision but with certain reservations. If the city engineer says their plan was acceptablet we would not object. 78.13 Petition for Yorkshire Woods - Mr. Mezger - Preliminary Plan Mr. Langland stated that as he was acting as the agent for the sellers he would withdraw from the discussion. Attorney Tom Grant,-stated that this property had previously been before the plan commission submitted by George Kleinprinz as eighteen lots. He stated that Mr. Mezger proposed eight single family lots each lot containing at least 909000 square feet. The property is located directly east of the 71 acre parcel and is contiguous to the city excepting for 350 feet. Mr. Grant stated it did not look like they would be able to get the land owners in between to annex to the city. Because of the mile and one half requirementp they must come to the city for approval. They are requesting a zoning change from the county from A-1 to R-2. Because of the size of the lotsv there will be independent wells and septic systems. Mr. Grant stated that they had received no input from anyone yet other than from George Bell's office. He said there could be problems if annexed to the city because of the highs and lows of the property and the difficulty of bringing in sewer lines. They antici- pate no problems with a private system given the size of the lots. Mr. Clarage stated that the proposal did not meet certain requirements of the subdivision control ordinance: 1. The length of the cul-de-sac is longer than required. 2. The diameter of the cul-de-sac is smaller than required. 3. The developer may have problems keeping maximum grades as required. Mr. Clarage stated that grades could be worked out in engineering. Our ordinance required $f maximum and there are some 12% grades shown. Mr. Perry stated they would do substantial earth work to lessen the slope and th,it they would do what was necessary to meet requirements. Mr. Grant stated they would comply with the land/cash ordinance. Mr. Feltz stated that he felt this was the best use for the land. Mr. Grant stated there would be a public hearing of the Kendall County Zoning Board of Appeals on site at 10 A.M. on 2 June .1978. Mr. Clarage stated he felt the variations required would be acceptable for this limited number of lots. — h — May 1978 Meeting Mr. Dollman then moved that the plan commission forward a recommendation to the city council recommending approval of Yorkshire Woods and was seconded by Mr. Feltz. A roll call vote was taken as follows: Mr. Mahoney— yes; Mr. Feltz- yes; Mr. Langland—:not -polled; Mr. Dollman yes; Mrs. Price yes; Mr. Woodworth yes; Mr. Franks yes; Dr. Coleman-yes. Motion carried. Mr. Grant stated he wished to bring the plan commission up to date regarding Harker Hills. He said they propose to file a petition with the city to annex the property and request a zoning change to M-1. , Mr. Harker will leave the property in one piece and will build several storage and manufacturing buildings located at strategic points on the property which he will then lease. He will maintain the property himself and will construct a road. Mr. Woodworth then moved to adjourn the meeting and was seconded by Mr. Langland. All present voting aye. Meeting adjourned.