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Plan Council Minutes 1999 12-21-99 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE Committee Minutes - Plan Council December 21, 1999 Meeting Location: 111 W. Fox St. Time Convened: 9:38 a.m. Time Adjourned: 11:58 a.m. Attendees: Jim Nanninga - City Administrator Joe Wywrot - City Engineer Tony Graff- Chief of Police Tim Fairfield - B.K.E.M.S. J.T. Johnson - Director of Public Works Wally Aherns - B.K.E.M.S. Sue Swithin - Yorkville Recreation Dept. Bob Williams - Building Dept. Ralph Pfister - Y.B.S.D. Ed Joanis - Yorkville Business Park Pat Stanley - Yorkville Business Park Jeff Humm - Fields of Farm Colony Matt Fiascone - Yorkville Bus Pk. & Farm Carol U. - Fox River Estates Sheri Kosmos - Fox River Estates Robin Caldwell - Fox River Estates Phil Knierim - Fox River Estates Mike Knierim - Fox River Estates Fields of Farm Colony Unit II - County The preliminary of this whole project has already gone through. This is the final plat for unit II. Wywrot explained that comments had been given to the County for unit I. Some comments were utilized and some weren't. Drainage was deferred to Strand. It was off-site drainage and was complicated. The precedent was set with unit I and will probably follow through to unit II. All comments are finished and Strand's comments have been included utilizing the most restrictive of the two. There are several issues that don't meet the City of Yorkville's Standards. Wywrot wanted them stated for the record, but was sure that precedent would over rule it. Street width shown as 24'; should be 28'. Less asphalt width shown but more gravel shoulder. All lots need access to public sidewalk or bike trail. Inland is committed to putting in the bike trail. Wywrot stated it should be shown. The storm sewer lines should be less than the depth of the ditches. It was noted that lot 34 had a change in grading. The main issues are pavement design; width and structure and pedestrian access to the trail or sidewalk. Schoppe presented his review. Pedestrian access will be a follow through from Unit I. This 1 will go to Plan Commission next on 1/12/00 40 copies of the revised plan & plat are needed here by 12/30/99. Inland will confer with Sandy for confirmation. Yorkville Business Park - Inland - New BuildinjZ Fiascone gave an overview of this project. This is for an 20,000 sq ft. industrial building on frontage of Route 47 on land currently owned by F.E. Wheaton. Inland is purchasing the land from them. Common access drive off of Wheaton Drive. Lot 4 will be subdivided west of F.E. Wheaton for future expansion of their facility. This is a resubdivision of land south of Wheaton Ave. heading west to lot 4 and putting in another road from Wheaton Ave. on the west side of Lot 4. The only change to the site plan is since the Annexation Agreement is the north-south road location from the west of the tree line moved further to the west. This will allow for better traffic flow and double frontage road. Fiascone wants the City to consider, in the long term, extending Wheaton Ave. west to Eldamain Road for future industrial and to help aleviate heavy traffic on Corneils Road. Wywrot mentioned the need for a pretty substantial bridge to cross the creek going west. This was basically a review of concept plan due to the timing in receiving this. There was quite a bit of discussion regarding moving the location of this road to the west, residential directly across from industrial and type of buffer needed. Current zoning was discussed as well as rezoning if the original plan changed. Wywrot suggested showing three scenarios; all residential, all manufacturing and one mixed. Road access to the commercial was discussed. Graff gave some history of intended use for this area. Doesn't want to encourage residential here. For the extension of road, final plat will need to show utilities. Engineering plan needed with storm sewer and grading. A landscape plan is needed also. The extension can proceed independently of the development. This is returning to Plan Council on January 13th with a positive recommendation for the extension of Wheaton Ave. and the three scenarios shown for the road extension to the north. Then to Plan Commission in February. Pfister added that the Yorkville-Bristol Sanitary District requires a sample manhole for sewer extension to the east to service Inland's buildings. Each building will need to have a separate manhole. Fiascone stated he didn't think they would need a variance for the building they want to put up. 2 Fox River Estates, Wyndham Homes - Preliminary Plan This is a revised plan. Wywrot and Schoppe reviewed a different plan. This is the latest plan and some lots have changed. This development is proposed located between the Boy Scout Camp and the open property to the west of White Oak. A copy of this plan has been submitted to the County. The County is requiring a traffic study to determine if turn bays are necessary. Fran Klaas also felt that the alignment with Poplar Drive is appropriate. Discussion was held on the alignment. The stub road was moved to allow for future access. There is no access to the Boy Scout Camp. There is a 1.6 acre park shown and one by the river. This has not been reviewed by the Park Board yet. There is no detention in this park. It is in five other locations. The Park donation was roughly figured. There will need to be a sizable cash donation made also. Wywrot's comments were discussed. Better topography is needed. The alignment of the stub road was changed. There will be an emergency access road on the east end of the property that will be a 50' dedicated right-of-way for a future road to cross the river. If the City decides, in the future, not to go thru with that then it can be vacated and parceled back to individual property owners. This will also give access to the lift station. A land use report will be done. Off site utilities - water - Have modified the plan to show a connection to the existing 12" on Fox Road at White Oak and extending a 12" to the west property line with an 8" entrance in the subdivision and throughout. There is no return loop shown at this time. A loop will form when Williamsport develops in this lower pressure system. There are two main crossings over the railroad tracks shown and going thru the ends of the cul-de-sacs. The residential north of the railroad tracks will have two sources of water supply from the south. The subdivision will have a single source supply but it will be internally looped. There was no connection of roadway between White Oak and Williamsport on the plans we have from Williamsport. The side lot lines should line up at least one or two places and a 10 ft easement. The old plat shows a connecting road to the west. Sewer - The Deuchler report does show a large diameter pipe that should kick out to Fox Road east of the Boy Scout Camp. Slopes and depths need to be discussed on the 18" pipe shown. The City will host meetings to determine future intentions, funding and possibility of a lift station at the east end of the Williamsport development so they are not left isolated. The size of the pipe along Fox Road 3 was discussed. Wywrot is recommending a lift station at the east end of Williamsport to continue along the right-of-way out the main road to Fox Road. An easement has already been applied for to the railroad. They seem very anxious about the permit. This bigger, deeper sewer will be great. J.T. Johnson stated that from a maintenance aspect, it would be better to run the major interceptor along the road instead of the back yards. Wywrot stated that the depth of the sewer is probably around 15'. Knierim stated that if it isn't any deeper, he would put it in. The lift station needs to be kept on the same side south of the railroad tracks as the main in our 50' right-of-way. Will ask railroad to have the forcemain on their right-of-way. Show a smaller plan with detail of offsite sewer. River and Park - Swithin gave 12' easement for a bike trail with a public park. The Boy Scout Camp wants a trail to go thru all the way to town. Knierim stated that the ground down by the river is nice and stays dry. Swithin restated that the trail would be better as a public trail. The definition of bike path was discussed. The City is still establishing a standard for trails. No less than 10' min of asphalt for skaters. Swithin will check with Sandy to get this development on the Park Planning agenda. Schoppe feels more information needs to be presented to the Board prior to this issue going before them. Ownership is being proposed as City - public. The detention basin ownership should be a policy decision made by the Park Board after determining its recreational value or not to accept it. The remaining land needs to show limits for storm water management, including the 100 year flood plain. The total required donation to the Park can be any combination of land and cash. The required donation is approximately 6.8 acres, subtracting area in the north basin for flood plain. The Board will not give credit for flood plain. This information needs to be given in order to determine cash vs. land donation. Swithin would like to see some street parking on the south end, diagonal or 90 degree would be better. Parking would be part of the park donation. The access way to the trail should be at least 75' wide, is shown as 30'-40'. Discussion was held regarding separation between lots and the park, either in landscape, fencing or berming, and the look of the entrance to the trail. Swithin, Johnson and Schoppe will go look at this property. This should go to the Park Board Planning meeting on 1/10/00 with revised plan showing park acreage closer to the actual amount required at the north end of the trail (parkland), water lines, and length of trail. Swithin will get a memo to Nanninga to bring before the Plan Commission on 1/12/00. The depth of the detention basin cannot be any deeper than 4' per Ordinance. All of this area is dry now and gives access to the river. Wywrot stated the 4 topography shown is not accurate. Need good topography in order to determine the high water line. The rear yard setbacks should be 40' from the high water line. 12,000 sq ft lot area should be above the high water line. Ownership of the detention basin was discussed. Knierim stated that the lot lines would continue through the detention. Schoppe stated that a tree survey is needed for the development site but it does not need to include the railroad. Show lot sizes, setbacks, property dimensions, surrounding zoning, street names, and other comments shown on Plan Review. Ownership of the property goes to the center of Fox Road. There will be a required 30' buffer for the lots that back up to Fox Road. The right-of-way is 50' to the centerline. There should be sidewalk put in along Fox Road. Add to preliminary engineering plan a landscape plan showing, plantings, buffers, roads, and signage. There is potential for an arterial road on the east going towards the north. There was much discussion about how to treat the landscaping along this potential roadway. If screening isn't up and the road goes in, who pays? Pfister stated this is not in the district. It will need to be annexed into the district. Knierim asked about credits for offsite work. Pfister explained that he would need to come before the Y.B.S.D. Board at a meeting to ask. Wywrot stated that the interceptor is a City main subject to recapture. Graff suggested a maximum placed on the number of years for us to construct the right-of-way or it will automatically be vacated. Right-of-way corners should be rounded to a 25' radius not left as a sharp corner. Wywrot explained that the new Subdivision Ordinance gives the developer the option of doing soil boring test or putting in sump pumps lines. Graff noted that no direct access be given to any homes on Fox Road. This needs to be noted on the plat. Discussion was held regarding the depth and screening for the lots that abutt the railroad. Graff would like signalization lights and bells without gates requested on the application to the railroad. There are 100 homes north of the railroad. Street light location was discussed. Illumination @ 300' is required on collector roads per Ordinance. Graff was concerned with placement for curves and intersections. The locations were pointed out and noted. George Christy and the Boy Scout Camp (Chicago Council) will be contacted for discussion of future possibilities and intentions of property and the trail system. Street names were discussed. Poplar Road end in mid section. East and west won't work because it is a continuous road circle. Fairfield was concerned with this set up in an emergency situation where minutes count. The possibility of moving the stub road to the north to give a logical terminus to Poplar Road, then send a different road around was discussed. Knierim would like to figure it out without changing the plan. The revised plan needs to come back to Plan Council to solve some remaining issues. Detention and grading need to be nailed down. The preliminary plan will have a public 5 hearing on 1/12/00 at Plan Commission, 40 revised copies are needed here by 1/3/00. Wywrot and Schoppe need time to review it prior to Plan Commission. The City will try to meet with Mr. Christy and the Boy Scout Camp representative but the next step will not be conditional on this meeting taking place. Need preliminary and landscape plan showing trees wider than 6". Meeting adjourned 11:58 a.m. Minutes respectfully submitted by Holly Baker. 6 f CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COUNCIL DECEMBER 21, 1999 SIGN IN SHEET PROJECT NAME (PLEASE PRINT!) REPRESENTING PHONE # Z.,051 log 7-21Y Vg' ��. ... � 53^4 - Y 3 VO "H 3 7,>, ' c �� aSr�w S ,t�r�r f�+r�� LSi Z3Z DZ�7 C^���� R• IrJ�E� PFD 7(q-7 IL kL