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Plan Council Minutes 1996 05-21-96 CITY OF YORKVILLE PLANNING COUNCIL MINUTES TUESDAY, MAY 21, 1996 AT 9 :30 AM CITY CONFERENCE ROOM, 111 W. FOX ST. , YORKVILLE Present were J. T. Johnson, Ralph Pfister, Joe Wywrot, Bill Schmanski, Jeff Palmquist, Sue Swithin, Tony Graff, David Behrens, John Sparrow, David Boedigheimer & Mike Bohr. No one was present for the Walnut St. Senior Housing, Downtown Redevelopment Project, Walker Subdivision or the Garling Subdivision. CANNONBALL ESTATES They have taken the lots off Faxon Rd. and had engineering done. All lots on Cannonball Trail are 18,000 sq. ft. or larger. No homes will enter on Faxon Rd. and they propose a 10 ft. berm including the tree size. Need 25 ft. easement for sewer & water. Sewer mains are 15 ft. deep and water main is on street side. Need to be 40 ft. landscape, but not over utilities. Palmquist stated this involves a strong political position and will need a substantial berm and reduction of the number of lots for approval . Residents in area want 5 A. lots . If lots not deep enough may have problems in some areas . Could do 8 ft. berm and should have landscape easement 15 ft. to 25 ft. beyond utility easement. They need to come to Park Board. The developer would prefer park by retention/detention area. There are 112 lots now, was 125. Ditch line in front, address drainage to back corner. May need to make a deal with owners for a 25 ft. easement. City had to angle across his lot with sewer and water. They are proposing to drain to natural drainage where the property drains now. There is a natural waterway (old creek bed) and they will be careful of release to other property owners. The developers feel there is no flooding problem. Will need to calculate rainfall, detention, release and rate flowing to the waterway. Bill Schmanski asked if water comes from the north and west. Land is flat, with no runoff water. Need documentation on where water comes from, more detail on land across Faxon, must make allowances for passing through. Dave Boedigheimer stated that water is trickle now, is pure sand, but was a problem 3-4 years ago. They feel the sewer and water trench has dewatered the whole area. J.T. Johnson stated he is no dewatering expert - water rights dictate. The developers stated that all land underlying is sand, water used to perk out of ground and this does not happen anymore. They feel this has intercepted the ground water flow and Gilbert's watering of his cattle has been interrupted. Need to have an expert address this issue and a soils ' engineer to analyze the situation. Need ground water flow etc. and should have this information before they go to Planning Commission. Ground water is a big issue, should be explained and how the law affects . Some of the area residents feel they have been affected and this has caused much controversy. Bill Schmanski stated that ground water issue was analyzed, but the person who did study was not appreciated as he apparently felt the ground water --table should recover. This did not satisfy all parties . J.T. Johnson stated this will be issue with the people, not the water experts . It was suggested this be studied further. Jeff Palmquist stated that extra r.o.w. vacation is needed on Faxon-some continuity to Eldamain as there will be substantial traffic. Get an extra 7 ' . A collector is proposed on highest land in area-mostly n/s . Need to check on a/w. On the western boundary there will probably be industry. There will probably be reduction of industry if Eldamain does not go through. The area north of Faxon will be mostly housing but back of property is industrial. John Sparrow will contact Inland (Greg Gabel) to see if they have made a water study on eastern 1/3 on detention or ground water. The Planning Council recommends a 40 ft. dedication for r.o.w. with Faxon as a major collector and continuing farther west to handle subdivision traffic. Roads are 66 ft. wide and no other variances are requested. Curbs will be B612 . A traffic study is requested. The water main should be looped along Faxon to end of limits of subdivision. Recapture will be collected for all r.o.w. improvements and sanitary sewer. Sanitary sewer is on higher ground. Large interceptor along Rob Roy Creek is in service area for Cannonball Interceptor. The intersection at Cannonball & Faxon was discussed. Results of traffic study may show 3 lanes needed. Landscape easement needed along Cannonball Trail as shown in landscape plan. City will get recapture and the rate is going up 6% . This is based on P.E. for residential, and commercial and industrial are based on area. Emergency roads must go in and need access to get out. Road thicknesses are ok as is the 66 ft. r.o.w. Ralph Pfister stated they would have a difficult time selling 18,000 sq. ft. lots to Planning Commission as they are getting much pressure. Dave Boedigheimer felt they were not proposing anything unreasonable for the area, have listened to and met with the neighbors, but what some are requesting is unrealistic. Tony Graff stated that historically Yorkville will listen to area residents also. He suggested that 1/2 A lots will have better chance. Dave asked for educated opinion on where City stands on this issue as someone will develop property sooner or later. He stated they have responded to Subdivision Control Ordinance and are asking for no special variances . Jeff Palmquist suggested looking at other features, 7 homes on Cannonball, reduce area of lot 5, lot 3 oriented toward pond, plan more detailed, not backing on Cannonball Trail . Should not go to Planning Commission until ground water issue is addressed. The Council is not hung up on lot sizes, look at plan and do minor adjustments, concept is consistent with comprehensive plan. Concerns are ground water issue, property values and impact of traffic. David Boedigheimer asked why sewer and water were put to that area if City did not mean to open up to subdivisions . J.T. stated it was done primarily for Amurol not necessarily to open up housing. Dave Boedigheimer stated that on comprehensive plan that it is residential . Sue Swithin asked the developers to attend a meeting on May 29 with the Park Board. The Park Board would rather get out of the corner of the detention area for a park. They should attend the Planning Commission meeting on June 12, 1996, Economic Development Committee meeting on June 8, 1996 and Committee of the Whole meeting on June 20, 1996 . WALNUT ST. SENIOR HOUSING-NAGEL They want to buy the City property on Walnut St. for senior housing. Nothing in that area now except for the Parish Center. Water main and storm sewer are available. COACH ROAD HILLS Dave Behrens representing Coach Road Hill stated that no P.U.D. Agreement has been done yet. They will be attending the May 29, 1996 Park Board meeting. Process wise they are waiting for the P.U.D, so if City Council does not like something, they can change now. It was stated that City does not do the P.U.D. agreements, but Dave Behrens stated that Bill Roppolo had hired Dan Kramer to do the agreement as he knows the City' s position. He also realizes that the sewer issue still needs to be resolved. The Planning Council is a technical review body and does not set policy. Ralph Pfister recommended a resolution be prepared in regard to the duties of the Planning Council and when they should become involved in the review process . J. T. Johnson suggested that Bill Schmanski, Joe Wywrot, Ralph Pfister & himself meet on all subdivisions . Wants numbers to be correct. Bill Schmanski stated that City's goal is to have an interceptor constructed. Meeting adjourned at 11 : 10 AM. Minutes by: Jqey Efe ll j PLANNING COUNCIL MEETING May 21, 1996 N ADDRESS PHONE # 2. Lo 5. 'i 370 6. I -�-- - 7. 8. 0[sl 9. 10. T)F-,sJ'A Aknvom, 11. 12. 13. I 14. ' 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. f 20. i i I I E