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PLANNING COUNCIL MINUTES
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1994
CITY HALL, MADISON & JEFFERSON ST. , YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS
Present at the meeting were Jim Nanninga, J.T. Johnson, Tony Graff,
Bill Schmanski, Bill Dettmer, and Jeff Palmquist. Also present
were Jim Madden, George Haviar, Ken Baldwin, Mike Cap, Matt
Fiascone, Chuck Hanlon, Ed Jonas, Tony Casacclo, and Emil
Miniscalco.
FOX HILL
Jeff Palmquist asked about the berm landscaping. Jim Madden stated
that Paul Dresden had informed him that he was taking care of the
berm landscaping on Rt. 34 . Jeff said he had never seen those
plans . Ken Baldwin said the berm will be a mirror image of the berm
along the single family side. All agreed that Stoneridge will do
the berm landscaping on Rt. 34 . Ken Baldwin went over the changes
that had been made per the councils request. Those being the off
street parking and the revised 4 building units .
Jim Nanninga stated that this plan will go to Planning Commission
tomorrow, October 19 . Bill Schmanski said it looked ok to him.
Tony Graff will be viewing the Algonquin site. Bill Schmanski asked
when the lot lines would be set and George Haviar said that would
be on the final . Jim Nanninga asked how they were counting parking
spaces. Bill Dettmer said you could count in line parking as
parking spaces in Yorkville.
Jim Nanninga called for a vote on the preliminary plan. J.T.Johnson
made the motion to accept the preliminary plan, Bill Dettmer
seconded and the motion carried.
CORNILS PARCEL
The Land Planning Service presented to the council a beginning
concept of a 224 acre parcel located on Cornils Road and Rt. 47 .
There is a 21 acre frontage on Rt 47 that L.P.S. has an interested
buyer for. L.P.S. has met with IDOT on the entrance location and
was given a window of property to use for the entrance. Jim
Nanninga and J.T. Johnson both voiced concern over the placement of
the road and would like to see it moved 200 feet to the south. The
parcel of land will be used for industrial and residential with 70
acres being industrial and 120 acres being residential . Jim
Nanninga voiced his disappointment in that ratio and would like to
see it more industrial . L.P.S. had no problem with that and would
develop it all industrial if they could sell it. Tony Graff stated
he would like to see more of a buffer between the industrial and
residential area than just the wooded area and also see more of a
north/south division in place of an east/west division between the
industrial and residential areas.
Jim Nanninga stated to the group that we are definitely encouraging
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this development and inquired about the time limit they had set
for staring to build. L.P.S. said they would like to see a Spring
building time frame. Jim also stressed the importance of a nicely
landscaped entrance into the park. Matt Fiascone said he will be
meeting with his interested party and will talk with him about
boundaries and Chuck Hanlon will meet with IDOT. Jeff Palmquist
stated we would try to get them going with just their first
interested buyer. Matt Fiascone also stated they will be annexing
this property into the city.
There were discussions about sanitary service to this parcel. Bill
Schmanski felt that the more immediate 20 acre parcel could be
served by gravity. However, much of the parcel and land north, all
the way to Rt. 30, could be served but would require a lift
station.
OLIVER FARM PROPERTY
Chuck Hanlon presented a revised plan of 135 acres with 80 acres on
the west side of Cannonball and 55 acres on the east of Cannonball.
There is an existing pre-annexation agreement with the City of
Yorkville. With a variety of lot sizes ranging from 13,500 -
18,000 . With 29 duplex lots and 58 duplex units, with the same on
the other side of the road.
Emil Miniscalco said they would like to take the approved design
and re-organize it and rearrange to be able to inter mix the open
space, create green space, move residences off the road and create
open green space for community gatherings. Emil stated that he felt
like it was a good trade off to reduce the lot sizes to preserve
the natural space. It would also create a green space along the
Cannonball corridor and preserve the rural feeling of the area. The
new design would also create a strong street scape with some homes
having garages in the back with an alley. Emil showed photos of a
similar plan in the south. Tony Graff asked if this was a PUD. Jeff
Palmquist stated that it was . Jim Nanninga questioned the set back
of the homes and Chuck Hanlon said that is how it is preferred in
the south but a midwest survey has showed a 20 ' setback is what is
wanted here.
Matt Fiascone stated they will go the annexation route first then
plan the re-design.
Jim Nanninga asked how usable the front green space along
Cannonball would be. Emil said it could be used as walkways or
prairie land. Chuck said the public likes to see a natural preserve
but could easily reverse the detention pond and open space.
Jim Nanninga voiced concern about parking. Chuck Hanlon said there
would be 2 car garages in back with no overnight parking out front,
the front street parking would be basically for guest day time
parking. He also stated there will be different options, not all
the homes will have alleys, some will have attached garages . Chuck
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also stated this is just a beginning concept that they are open to
the city' s suggestions and ideas and were here just to get a feel
of how the city would feel about this concept and they will be back
with updated designs .
FOXHILL/POD 5A
Mike Cap presented the geometric plan showing the precise location
of the boundries, easements and lot lines. Some of these might need
to be fined tuned. J.T. Johnson voiced his concern over the utility
easements and would like to see them made exclusively municipal .
Mike agreed with that totally.
Improvements to John St. are, sanitary and water have already been
installed from Conovers property, Cedar Rd and John St. both have
80 ' ROW, they are wider. Interior sts are 501 , with sidewalks on
one side of Chestnut Lane, and both sides of the cul-de-sac. The
walk-way system funnels people to the park and neighborhood retail
shops .
The storm sewer on John St. , the drainage flows to detention on Rob
Roy creek.
Jim Nanninga still prefers the cul-de-sac to cul-de-sac plan. Mike
Cap said he will look into changing this.
Mike showed placement of the street lights and the grading plan.
J.T. Johnson said he had a problem with the trunk lines being in
the back yards . Mike said he would look into it.
Detention will serve both single and multi family homes .
Mike Capp asked for the council to let him know what changes they
want. Bill Schmanski said he wouldn't be able to get to it until
early next week. Mike then asked to be on the agenda for Planning
Council for November 1 .
STEPAN/LOTUS RIDGE ESTATES
Jim Olson and Mr. Stepan presented map site for Lotus Ridge Estates
on Van Emmon east of town. It is proposed as 7 lots each being 1
acre with 10 .25 acres being left in a natural state, that the
homeowners will control .
J.T. Johnson stated that Mr. Killian owns the lot next door and he
would like to see both lots left in a natural conservation area,
since it is unuseable farm land.
Jeff Palmquist asked if they had gotten a permit for the access
road. Mr. Stepan said he had talked to Mollie and because he still
had Grandfather permits on his house and pole building they could
not stop him from accessing his property. There appeared to be some
problems involved with that, so the Army Corp of Engineers is
making a decision before Mollie will issue him a permit. Jim Olson
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said the invasion was on the wetlands only to install the culvert.
Jim Nanninga asked if all the lots will have sewer and septic. Mr.
Stepan said yes they will.
Jeff Palmquist asked if the archealogical had been completed. Mr.
Stepan said the Army Corp of Engineers is making that decision now.
Jim Nanninga voiced a concern with the septics . J.T. Johnson said
he didn't think it would be a problem but that the county would
handle it.
Jim Olson stated the homeowners will have lot K for river access.
No one was sure where the proposed river trail will be placed.
Jeff Palmquist asked what speices of trees were on the property.
Mr. Stepan said there was all varieties of Oak, Hickory, Walnut
with some scrub trees, but mostly good woodlands that will be
preserved as per the covenants .
He plans to return to the council if everything is accomplished in
2 weeks.
301 VAN EMMON
A home owned by John Nemanich will come before the Building and
Zoning Board to be re-zoned. The property is currently zoned R 2 .
and the surrounding property is zoned M 1. The H.A.L.T. Club would
like to use the house as its meeting place/office. They will get
the re-zoning and then will start with remodeling plans. Jeff
Palmquist stated we shouldn't even see this until we have a plat of
survey. The general concensus was that the council shoudnn't make
any reccommendations until the public hearing , which is set for
October 19 .
COUNTRY HILLS
Jim Nanninaga asked if there was any recommendations. Jeff
Palmquist stated that there needed to be a final landscaping plan.
That could be part of the final engineering plan. Also the
covenants did not state that duplexes had to be 2 car garages.
Bill Schmanski asked Jeff Palmquist if he saw any reason not to
reccommend. Jeff did not see any rason not to reccommend.
Jim Nanninga said we have 2 choices to give them, add lot 72 or
delete lot 87 .
Bill Schmanski stated that they would defenitely have to add
easements to it. Council will reccommend with these contingencies .
Jim Nanninga stated that platt should be complete for Planning
Commission, it will only take them 30 minutes to complete. Everyone
agreed that they would reccommend with a final plat.
Jim Nanninga adjourned meeting at 12 :25
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