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Plan Council Minutes 1994 08-16-94 , PLANNING COUNCIL MINUTES TUESDAY, AUGUST 16, 1994, 9: 00 AM CITY HALL, MADISON & JEFFERSON STS. , YORKVILLE Present were Jim Nanninga, Ralph Pfister , Bill Dettmer , Jeff Palmquistv Joe M%>or0wv J. T" Johnson , T. J. Hiles and Becky Johnson. Also present were Joyce Best, Bruce Best , Tom Grant , Matt Fiascone, Harold Oliver , Barry Niles and Jim Olson. Tony Graff arrived at 9:45 AM. Jim Nanninga stated that the Public Works Committee liked the new Subdivision Control Ordinance and the Planning Commission wou1d have a copy on Wednesday night. He would like it passed at the City Council meeting next week. T. J. Hiles will check on the legality and if it would be effective at time of final plat or final engineering with the exception that if anything was shown on the preliminary" @ ecial Use/Bed and Breakfast-201 E. Jackson Attorney Tom Grant spoke for Bruce and Joyce Best application for special use. He passed out locations maps, a layout showing the existing building , a colored picture of the home. The facility would be operated under the Bed and Breakfast Act of the State of Illinois. There would be no more than 5 guest rooms and the guest register would be available at all times. There would be 1 additional parking space for each guest room and would have a 3x3 sign. The facility would be named "Fox and Hound" , rooms would have no kitchen facilities, length of stay would be no more than one week , allow only 2 guest per room per night , and the facility would at all times be owner occupied and operated. Bill I)ettmer stated that he had toured the home and that is was necessary to install a -fire alarm system and lighting system for emergencies" The building is in very good condition. There are no sidewalks on the property. The Bests stated the driveway would be paved and there were no objections from the neighbors. Only breakfasts and possibly snacks would be served to guests only. It was noted that a bed and breakfast was a special use under R-3 and that the other bed and breakfast in town zoned was R-2. The City Council may wish to amend the ordinance to make it R-2 also before final action is taken. T. J. Hiles and Tom Grant will discuss the best way to handle this. Tom Grant will prepare the ordinance. J. T. Johnson made a motion to accept this proposal and seconded by Ralph Pfister. Motion passed. Inland-Rezoning .__±rom O-Office to R-2 _DUplex , Countryside Subdivision Matt Fiascone representing Inland stated that they are requesting 3 lots behind the nursing home be rezoned to duplex . Inland has been approached by Rick Van Deusen to buy the property and build duplexes on the property. There is now m mixture of duplexes and single family houses and feels it would be an appropriate buffer to the nursing home. The lots are over 15,000 square feet in size and streets are already there. A garage is now being constructed on one of the lots and that lot will either be ' Page 2 Planning Council Minutes August 16, 1994 purchased by the nursing home or the garage will be removed. Bill Dettmer stated that he had issued a permit for the garage and was concerned that the garage was a secondary structure which the zoning ordinance would not permit" He was assured that the nursing home owned the property. Matt Fiascone stated there was some question on the zoning on the lots (office or office special use) . A1l property owners have been notified and he has received no response. Jeff Palmquist stated that in regard to land use, it could go either way and it would be reasonable to have lot 16 as a duplex . He will check out. J. T. Johnson stated that many years ago when the nursing home was built it was R-2 Special Use and the 3 lots were made office lots. The neighbors at that time felt they could accept that zoning as there was quite a bit of controversy. Matt Fiascone stated that duplexes would be a buffer zone to the nursing home. Ralph Pfister stated there are too many multi- family homes in the areav it is very congested, many children play in that area and he would rather see the property as offices. J. T. Johnson stated that there was a verbal agreement in regard to sidewalks running across the back of lotsv which would allow children to walk from Countryside Center to the high school . Under operation "Green Light" there will be push buttons on Rt. 34 and if sidewalks were in, students could walk all of the way to the high school . The Planning Commission will be asked to hold off for one more meeting of the Planning Council as there are many concerns to be addressed before making any recommendations. Jim Olson representing Barry Niles and Harold Oliver stated there is no petition as yet for this property as they are just getting started. There will be an annexation petition for the 9 acres with buildings and a rezoning far 35 acres. A wooded area would be preserved for open space, an area with density of 3-1/2 - J' units and an area with townhouse type buildings of l storyv designed primarily, but not necessarily for senior citizens. This would be similar to the Fernwood Gardens in Boulder Hill that has been very successful . 28 Lots would be duplex and a connection made to the Doetschman property and there is an option made on a 50 acre parcel which would come to Country Hills Subdivision. In that area, they are proposing 1 row af duplexes backing up to Commonwealth Edison R. O. W. and the rest would be single family. There would be open space, the woods would remain and the detention would be on the east side of Commonwealth Edison R. O. W. and it would be a Planned Unit Development. The density would be about 3-1/2 units per acre. They will attend the Planning Commission meeting on 8/17/94 to present information on this property. The Wildwood property is zoned R-4. Oliver and Niles would build these buildings of brick and all would be 2 bedrooms and have an estimated total of 3 people per unit. There are 87 units shown on the plan and all have 2 car garages. There ^ Page 3 Planning Council Minutes August 16, 1994 would be strict covenants and restrictions. The ownership of the units would be from front lot line to back and grass would be mowed by the association. Paved walkways would be put through the woods. Jeff Palmquist questioned open space versus density. Parking spaces will be placed so the woods can be used. The plans are to have a lift station in the northeast corner and connect and go through Wildwood. The other option is to go directly along easementv but because of the cost factor would be better to go to manhole. A lift station would be needed unless interceptor went in. After Dwyers and this property go in , there is no expansion left for Davis. Some upgrading must be done at lift station , but force main shouldn 't be increased. The pumpagwa could be increased. It was agreed that an interceptor is needed and the costs will have to be shared. This will be addressed at the next meeting when Bill Schmanski is present. There are two areas for storm water and water is available at 47 and the Wildwood crossing. Jim Nanninga asked they check storm calculation and be sure it fits. Circulation and open space areas are very critical . Jim Nanninga also asked that for future meetings, they would like larger plans with the color system and get to the Planning Council a few days early. It was suggested they don 't go to the next Planning Commission with this tomorrow night , but get the technical support first from the staff from the Planning Council . Harold Oliver asked if anyone could see any opposition to this plan. It was agreed that it is a good concept. Tony Graff stated they could have a difficult time hawing this passed by the City Council because of the financial burden for sewer. The line on Rt. 47 was put in for industrial growth to -the City. Harold Oliver suggested that special assessment be on the lots" A meeting will be set up with Bill Schmanski , Ralph Pfister and others affected to discuss this issue. Barry Niles asked if a temporary lift station was put in , what size would be needed? Park Ordinance This will be discussed at the next meeting" The Recreation Board has asked that parks not be put next to major highways. Jeff Palmquist will put together some potential planning guidelines for parks. Jim Olson had requested that this meeting time be changed because of conflict with the Kendall Co. Board meeting. It was agreed that our meeting will remain on Tuesday mornings at 9: 00 AM. Jeff Palmquist stated there is lots of work of Niles/Oliver to order to accept the density they are proposing. Stiff language should be used to prevent developing of the open space and not enough storm water retention. They are also encroaching at least 200 -feet into the woods with the townhomes. ' ' . Page 4 Planning Council Minutes August 16, 1994 Tony Graff asked about permitted trees in the new Subdivision Control Ordinance. Jeff Palmquist stated these kind of trees are used in most ordinances and are based on hardiness, climate, availability and maintenance. Tony Graff asked if an alternative light standard had been discussed as some City Council members would like the same decorative lights that are downtown. It was agreed it would be inappropriate to impose these standards on all subdivisions as they may want something different and more lighting would be required. Jim Nanninga stated he had added to the Subdivision Control Ordinance that sodding is required between curb and parkways and this had not been discussed at our meetings. He was unsure if the Council would accept this. Meeting adjourned at 10x30 AM" Minutes by: