City Council Minutes 2005 09-13-05 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE. KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS,
HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
800 GAME FARM ROAD ON
TUESDAY. SEPTEMBER 13, 2005.
Mayor Prochaska called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M and led the Council in the Pledge of
Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Clerk Milschewski called the roll.
Ward I James Present
Leslie Present
Ward lI Burd Present
Wolfer Present
Ward III Ohare Present
Munns Present
Ward W Besco Present
Spears Present
Also present: City Clerk Milschewski, City Administrator Graff, City Attorney Wyeth, Police
Chief Martin, Director of Public Works Dhuse, Finance Director Pleckham and Executive
Director of Parks & Recreation Brown.
OUORUM
A quorum was established.
INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS
Mayor Prochaska asked the staff and guests to introduce themselves. He welcomed the guests
and asked them to enter their names on the attendance sheet provided.
AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA
Alderman Spears asked that 44 — Development Agreement and Rezoning for Robert and Debra
Dearborn and 44a — Ordinance Authorizing the Execution of the Development Agreement and
Rezoning for Robert and Debra Dearborn be moved from the consent agenda to under the regular
agenda under the Economic Development Committee Report.
COMMITTEE MEETING DATES
Public Works Committee 7:00 P.M., Monday, September 26, 2005
City of Yorkville Conference Room
800 Game Farm Road
Economic Development Committee 7:00 P.M., Thursday, September 15, 2005
City of Yorkville Conference Room
800 Game Farm Road
Administration Committee 7:00 P.M., Thursday, October 6, 2005
City of Yorkville Conference Room
800 Game Farm Road
Public Safety Committee 6:30 P.M., Monday, October 13, 2005
City of Yorkville Conference Room
800 Game Farm Road
Ad Hoc Technology Committee T.B.A.
PRESENTATIONS
Yorkville Moose Lodge 2371 to Yorkville Police Department
Representatives from Moose Lodge 42371 presented Chief Martin with a check in the amount of
$1,500.00 to be used towards the purchase of bullet-proof vests for police officers. Both Chief
Martin and Mayor Prochaska thanked the Moose for their donation and support.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Yorkville- Bristol Sanitary District
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to go into public hearing for the purpose of discussing
Yorkville - Bristol Sanitary District, petitioners, request to annex to the United City of Yorkville
and rezone from Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville A -1 Agricultural
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District with a Special Use for a Water Treatment Facility and for hearing as to the Annexation
Agreement of Petitioner. The real property consists of approximately 20.375 acres directly west
of the existing Yorkville - Bristol Sanitary District property, Bristol Township, Kendall County,
Illinois. So moved by Alderman Ohare; seconded by Alderman Besco.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays-0
Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye,
Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye
Please see attached Report of Proceedings taken before Christine Vitosh, C.S.R from Depo Court
Reporting Service for the transcription of this portion of the public hearing.
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to close of the public hearing. So moved by Alderman
Spears; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye,
Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye
Pulte Home Corporation
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to go into public hearing for the purpose of discussing
Pulte Homes Corporation, MPLIVI0, LLC, MPLIV20, LLC, and MLH Yorkville, LLC,
petitioners, request to annex to the United City of Yorkville and rezone from Kendall County A -I
Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned Unit Development consisting of R -2 One
Family Residence District, R -3 General Residence District and B -3 Service Business District and
for hearing as to the Annexation and Planned Unit Development Agreement of Petitioner. The
real property consists of approximately 587 acres at the northwest comer of Galena. Road and
Route 47, Bristol Township, Kendall County, Illinois. So moved by Alderman Ohare; seconded
by Alderman Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye,
Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye
Please see attached Report of Proceedings taken before Christine Vitosh, C.S.R. from Depo Court
Reporting Service for the transcription of this portion of the public hearing.
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to close of the public hearing. So moved by Alderman
Spears; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays-0
Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye,
Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye
CITIZEN COMMENTS
Mayor Prochaska asked for citizens comments on any subject other than the Senior Facility Use
Agreement. He stated he would take citizens comments on that subject under the Mayor's report.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Police Report for July 2005
2. Building Permits Reports for June and July 2005
3. Countryside Interceptor Waiver of 50% Requirement — waive the requirements of item
#28 of the Countryside Interceptor Contract with Glenbrook Excavating & Concrete,
Inc. concerning a 50% limit on subcontracted work, as recommended by the City
Engineer and to authorize the City Engineer to notify Glenbrook of this waiver
4. Ordinance 2005 -74 — Adopting a map Amending an Area in the Northwest Portion of
the current Comprehensive Land Use Plan - authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to
execute
5. Lynwood Baptist Church — 1 % Mile Review
6. Resolution 2005 -58 — adopting revised Sponsorship Policy and Request Form -
authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. So moved
by Alderman Munns; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye, Mums -aye,
Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Ohare -aye, Besco -aye
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PLANNING COMMISSION /ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL
No report.
MINUTES FOR APPROVAL
A motion was made by Alderman James to approve the minutes of the City Council meetings of
July 26, 2005, August 9, 2005 and August 23, 2005; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Clerk Milschewski noted that the Committee meeting dates on the August 23, 2005 minutes were
incorrect. She indicated that they will be corrected on the final copy.
Motion approved as corrected by a viva voce vote.
BILLS FOR APPROVAL
A motion was made by Alderman James to approve the paying of the bills listed on the Detailed
Board Report dated August 31, 2005 and revised September 8, 2005 totaling the following
amounts: checks in the amount of $1,314,991,51 (vendors — revised 9/8//05); $164,555.62 (payroll
period ending 8/20/05); for a total of $1,479,547.13 seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye,
Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye
REPORTS
MAYOR'S REPORT
Revised Senior Facility Use Agreement
Mayor Prochaska reported that the City Council had a revised Senior Facility Use Agreement in
their meeting packet. He asked Attorney Wyeth if there had been any other revisions. Attorney
Wyeth stated that the copy that they have includes changes identified at the last Committee of the
Whole (COW) meeting and verified with Senior Services Associates.
Mayor Prochaska opened the floor for public comment.
Identa Austin, Vice President of Senior Services Associates addressed the City Council and
questioned the following items:
• Page 1, Paragraph 1— she questioned the wording used in the last sentence stating
"...areas commonly referred to as involving "Senior" citizens..." She asked that it be
changed.
• Page 1, Paragraph 2 — she noted that the word "provided" is spelled incorrectly.
• Page 1, Paragraph 3 — she asked that "many years" be changed to "twenty -two
years
• Page 1, Paragraph 4 — she asked that "several years" be changed to "five years" and
she noted that "an" should be corrected to "and ".
• Page 1, paragraph 5 — she asked that the wording be changed from "... entering SSA
use of... " to "... entering a use agreement of... ".
• Page 1, pa 7 — she asked the wording to be changed from "...building is
suitable... " to "...building can be made suitable... "
• Page 1, Paragraph 9 — she asked that "main room' be changed to "Perkins room ".
When Mrs. Austin's comments did not correlate to the current draft, it was determined by
Alderman Spears that Mrs. Austin had a copy of her marked up copy and not the current draft.
After some discussion it was decided that approval of the agreement would be contingent on
Senior Services Associates' approval in order to address Mrs. Austin's revisions.
Nancy Huntington, a six year resident of Yorkville addressed the City Council. She stated that
for the last three years she has been using the Senior Services Associates and that the things the
seniors have been reading in the newspapers are unsettling. She stated that the information makes
it appear that seniors are not important however the services provided by Senior Services
Associates and the issues they address are very important. She appealed to the City Council to
have Senior Services Associates remain in Yorkville.
Identa Austin addressed the City Council again in order to give them the history of the Beecher
Center and its use as a senior citizen center. She covered the 1977 ordinance creating the Beecher
Community Center Committee; Clarence Beecher's endowment; obtaining the land from the
Game Farm; obtaining grants for the senior portion of building and the 1981 agreement for the
use of grant funds.
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She explained that Senior Services Associates moved from the Beecher Center to the Countryside
Center when it outgrew the facility. She noted that Clarence Beecher's endowment (came from
the estate sale of his farm outside of Yorkville) and many pledges to build the Center came from
outside of Yorkville. She hoped that the seniors would be able to find a home in the Beecher
Building once again.
Gary Golinski, 502 N.Redhorse, addressed the Council. He stated that he felt that the seniors
deserve a place in Yorkville however he questioned if Park & Recreation programs would have to
be cut back because they are moving to the old Castle Bank building basement. Mayor Prochaska
noted that the space in the bank is almost double that of the space used in the Beecher Center.
Park & Recreation Director Brown stated that no programs will be cut back at this time however
Superintendent of Recreation Sue Swithin noted that there are too many unknowns surrounding
the new location to determine if programs will need to be cut back. Ms. Brown also stated that
the construction was being coordinated in such a way so that the Park & Recreation Department
would not be displaced.
Alderman Spears stated that she has heard comments and concerns regarding the upgrading of the
Castle Bank building basement which developer Harold Oliver is upgrading with elevators. She
stated that if the senior citizens used the facility they would be located in the basement with
wheelchairs, crutches, etc and she felt there was a public safety concern because in the event of a
fire the elevators would be turned of She asked if the seniors would be expected to hop up the
stairs or carry each other up when evacuating the building. She stated that she did not want to see
children located in the basement however children are capable of walking up the stairs and
escaping. She also noted that the Austin room at the Beecher Center was named after Identa
Austin. She asked if the City Council was telling the seniors, like Mrs. Austin, who worked hard
to create the community that is attracting developers that they are sorry but they cannot find an
appropriate location because there are other programs. She stated that in the last seven years that
she has been on the Council, she has never heard seniors complain about not having recreational
programs for them. She did note that there are a few programs for seniors now. She stated that
the seniors pay taxes and are expecting something in return.
Alderman Spears compared the senior citizens in Yorkville to the displaced victims of hurricane
Katrina; the message being sent to the seniors is that Yorkville is creating its own disaster, The
City Council is telling the seniors that they "may" possibly find another location for them.
Alderman Spears stated that the Beecher Center is a temporary fix and stated that the seniors
should be considered. She stated that people should stop thinking of personal gain or if this is
affecting the children of Yorkville; the children have enough parks and the City is providing quite
a bit for the younger population. She stated that she has heard that people do not want to take
their children across town to other locations such as Cross Lutheran School however she did not
expect seniors to drive across town either. She stated that other communities such as Oswego and
Plano would like to have a community center for seniors however she felt this would be like
relocating the people in New Orleans to Texas. They have a place but its not home. She stated
she wanted to keep these people as close to home as possible.
Van Truman, Park Board member and resident, addressed the City Council. He stated he agreed
that Yorkville should keep the seniors in Yorkville and that he would like to see a senior facility
built here. He commended both Mrs. Austin and Alderman Spears for their work with senior
matters. He expressed his concern that this is being called a short-term solution however the
contract is for five years. He stated that five years to a twelve- year-old child brings this contract
to an end when the child is going off to college. He questioned if the Beecher Center was the best
venue for the seniors and stated that he has asked this question before and has not been convinced
that this the best location.
Mayor Prochaska tried to answer Mr. Truman's concerns:
1. The contract is for five years however it states that with sixty days notice it can be
terminated by either party. If the contract is terminated by the City, it would have to
provide another location for Senior Services Associates. If the City cannot do this, it
would pay back, on a pro -rated basis, the money invested by Senior Services Associates.
2. Several other locations were investigated; from a location in the industrial park to the old
Castle Bank building to building a new building. Senior Services Associates needs to
relocate as soon as possible so building a new building at this time was not a viable
option. The Beecher Center was chosen because the senior nutrition program is presently
located there and has a history of working with the Senior Services Associates, it is
centrally located and most people are familiar with the facility.
3. When the seniors are eventually relocated to a permanent facility, the United City of
Yorkville will have an updated building without and funds being expended.
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4. The City is moving forward to develop other private /public ventures to provide services
to the senior. Mayor Prochaska reminded those in attendance that the Senior Services
Associates is a non - for -profit organization.
Mayor Prochaska further explained that the search continues; he has spoken to several developers
who are interested in building a senior center and recently the City was informed that the post
office building is available. This building sits in the approximate area where it has been proposed
to have a senior center. He also stated that a developer has inquired about building anew City
Hall building in the downtown which would leave the present building available.
Rita Murphy addressed the City Council and clarified that the seniors finding a new location has
not been an overnight thing. She explained that the Senior Ad Hoc Committee has been meeting
since April 2005, other locations have been investigated and many people have been making
great efforts to resolve the situation.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Spears to bring the matter to vote; on locating the
Senior Service Center in the Beecher Community Center.
Mayor Prochaska noted that the motion should be approved subject to legal review. He also
noted that there was a formal motion written in the City Council's handout. Attorney Wyeth
stated that per the City Council's discussion, wording should be added to the motion indicating
that approval is subject to Senior Services Associates' approval of the agreement and upon legal
review.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Spears to approve the revised Senior Facility Use
Agreement as presented and to authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to sign the agreement
subject to legal review and approval by Senior Services Associate; seconded by
Alderman Burd.
Alderman Besco commented that although the Senior Ad Hoc Committee has worked on this for
a long time, he found it disturbing that the use of the Beecher Center did not come to the City
Council to just recently. He stated that if the relocation had been shared with the City Council,
they could have worked with the Senior Ad Hoc Committee. He stated that he has received calls
from many residents regarding this. He commented that he has nothing against senior citizens
and even proposed that the city build a facility with a community center for the seniors to use at a
recent joint Public Works Committee and Park Board meeting. He stated that he was opposed to
the agreement because of its five -year term because within the next two years, the mayor and four
aldermen are up for re- election. He felt that a completely different Council might not pursue
building a senior center. He further explained that he felt a two -year term would make the
present City Council actively pursue a new building. He stated that he was not fond of the plans
for the Beecher Center renovation because they destroys some of the integrity of the building and
it will never come back to the City the way it was. He felt the renovation was a slap in the face to
Mr. Beecher and to everyone who worked on getting the building accomplished and he was going
to vote against the agreement.
Alderman Burd commented that she felt Alderman Besco was laboring under false assumptions
that the Beecher Center as it currently exists is something the City would want to maintain. She
stated that she has heard comments regarding the poor acoustics of the Perkins room for a long
time and the City should want an approved facility. She felt that Mr. Beecher would not feel
upset if he knew the building was being changed because currently it is not good for
programming or senior citizens. She expressed her thoughts that the United City of Yorkville
presents itself as a "Character Counts" community and character has a lot to do with how one
treats the elder residents. She stated that if the elderly are treated well it shows the character of
the community. She explained that when she voted for the TIF for Countryside Center, she took
on the responsibility to help find a place for the senior citizens and that if she voted against this
agreement she would feel guilty that she had not done what she had hoped to do for the seniors of
the community. She stated that the City undertook the TIF knowing full well that it would
displace Senior Services Associates. She commented that she did not know where Alderman
Besco has been not to know that the Senior Services Associates was going to move to the
Beecher Center. She stated that she was in favor of the agreement; that it was a winning situation
for the City. She further commented that she did not feel the senior's use of the Beecher Center
was hurting the youth of the community; she did not see what difference it made to have children
taking classes at another building. She stated that everyone has to move around a little until a
better solution is found and she felt that everyone should work together in order to make in a win -
win situation for everyone.
Alderman Munns asked what year was the old Castle Bank building was built. Developer Harold
Oliver stated it was built in the early 1970's. Alderman Munns asked if there were enough exits
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from the basement and if Mr. Oliver was bringing the building up to code. Mr. Oliver stated that
he was installing an elevator to the basement and that the Park & Recreation Department could
move upstairs into the existing bank facility while the basement is being remodeled. He
explained that he is asking the Parks Department to pay for the upkeep and utilities on their
portion of the building with no additional rent. Alderman Munns state that he felt that as long as
the agreement had the 60-day out clause, he did not have a problem with the agreement. He
stated that the seniors need to go somewhere and he would rather see the Yorkville seniors have
the services in the city not elsewhere. He asked at what age someone could use the Senior
Services Associates and was told that anyone over the age of sixty could use the services.
Alderman Spears listed several newspaper articles that addressed the senior's relocation and
stated that she did not understand how some people could say they were not informed of the
situation. She stated that she shared Alderman Burd's sentiment regarding the Countryside TIF
and would not have voted in favor of it if she would have thought this would be happening. She
stated that she hoped after tonight's vote she did not regret voting for the TV. She commented
that Mr. Oliver is trying his hardest to please everyone. She stated that she asked Mr. Oliver
several time if he was going to take care of the seniors and he assured her he would. She
commended him for his efforts.
Alderman Ohare commented that the seniors outgrew Beecher several years ago and she
wondered why everyone thought there was enough space now. She further commented that the
TV was voted on with the assumption that Mr. Oliver would build a building for the seniors at
some time. Mr. Oliver stated that he never agreed to build a building; he agreed to renovate the
Beecher Center at no cost to the taxpayers of Yorkville. Alderman Ohare noted that this is a
private contract between Senior Services Associates and Mr. Oliver. She asked why the City was
getting in the middle of it. She commented that the City would not allow the Chamber of
Commerce to move into the Beecher Center. She stated she could not agree to a five -year
contract and suggested that a two -year agreement would be better. She stated that if the City
wanted to get out of the agreement using the sixty-day window, the taxpayers of Yorkville will
have to pay for the buy out. In regards to the newspaper articles, she stated that one of them
commented that it would be a "squeeze" going to the Beecher Center.
Alderman James commented that he did not feel the city should be involved with providing a
location for non - for -profit organization; this should between the Senior Services Associates and
the developer. He stated that demolition redesign of Countryside Center has displaced all the
businesses located in the center and all the other businesses had to independently find new
locations. He stated the he had a problem with the Senior Services Associates having exclusive
use of 2/3's of the Beecher Center and he felt that it was not a suitable location. He believed
there were other buildings and facilities available that were not pursued and because of this he
was not going to vote for the agreement.
Alderman Wolfer stated that he agreed with Aldermen Ohare and James. He stated that he was
not sure this is the best use of the Beecher Center. He asked why the seniors could not use the old
Castle Bank building temporarily until a permanent location is found.
Alderman Leslie stated that he and his wife are pro senior, his wife volunteers for the Golden
Diners. He stated that he felt he is being put into a position like King Solomon in the Bible;
being asked to sever a "child" in two. He stated that he has received calls from residents with
children whose recreation programs are being displaced. He noted that there are two opposing
groups in this issue and he was discourage that the groups could not come together to attain a
peaceful resolution. He commented that when the Executive Director of Senior Services
Associates addressed the City Council at a previous meeting, she took a staunch approach and
seemed unwavering on some parts of the agreement. He stated that he understood the position
Senior Services Associates is in however all parties need to make concessions. He reiterated that
the City Council has been put into a position to have to choose between two groups. He stated
that it is a difficult decision to make and he was unsure he had all the details to make the right
decision.
Mayor Prochaska noted that the City Council appeared to be split on approving the agreement
and had the following comments:
• In regards to the seniors outgrowing the space, he explained that originally they were
using the Austin room which is much smaller than the Perkins room.
• This is a temporary situation; it is not a final answer but rather the beginning.
• Taxpayers will benefit from the improvements being made to the building after the
seniors move on. Beecher Center was built as a "nice big room" not a theater, meeting
room or gymnasium; it does not work for most of these uses. The proposed alterations
such as carpeting may actually have a positive affect on the building.
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• In regards to the comment that the City does not give space to any other group, he noted
that the City's Building Department is a private group and they have an agreement to use
the lower level of City Hall. He also noted that non - for -profit groups such as the Boy
Scouts and Lyons Club use the Beecher Center at no cost.
• He explained that Mr. Oliver has offered a location in Mason Square in Oswego to the
Senior Services Associates. If Senior Services Associates moves to Oswego, Yorkville
looses a service for its residents; the seniors can still use Senior Services Associates
however they will have to drive to Oswego.
• Parents are complaining that they have to drive another quarter mile for recreation
programs however if Senior Services Associates moves its whole program out of town
the seniors will be driving further. He stated that the City should be trying to maintain all
existing programs in the community. This will be an inconvenience for a lot of people
for awhile but this solution is in an effort to try and save an importance community
service.
• In reference to the comment that this move was not discussed by the City Council, he
stated that he asked the City Council if the Senior Services Associates could use the
Beecher Center. He stated that at the time not a lot of the details were known but as they
developed they were brought to the City Council.
• The agreement with Senior Services Associates indicates that they will work with the
City to allow use in the building when they are not occupying it in an effort to maximize
the use of the building. With cooperation on both sides, the building will be used in a
way that benefits everyone.
• He encouraged everyone to proceed on finding a permanent location for Senior Services
Associates.
Alderman Spears noted that earlier in the meeting Del Webb presented a senior- targeted
community and everyone is "jumping for joy "; everyone, except Alderman Leslie who she
commented may have been sleeping, however the City Council is neglecting to serve the seniors
who created the community that has attracted Del Webb. She asked that if Senior Services
Associates is eliminated, would the senior nutrition program be next.
Alderman Spears noted that a concession stand was built at the Beecher Center however she does
not see seniors buying soda and hot dogs. She stated that this was clearly not for them but was an
investment geared toward another "population ". She stated that Senior Services Associates
provides free legal services to senior citizens along with many other programs and that she would
hate to see seniors travel to Sandwich, Oswego or Plano. She commented that she did not feel
that this was something Yorkville can afford to give up. She reiterated that this is a temporary
solution. Also, she stated that this group should be complimented because they are willing to be
cramped into the Beecher Center just so they can continue their socialization and programs. She
recommended that some of the City Council visit the facility in the next month to see what they
are addressing. She stated that the seniors need to find a place and that the City Council needs to
provide a place for them because the senior citizens have paid their taxes and deserve it. She
asked the members of the City Council who are "on the fence" about this agreement to "jump ofF
and think about their own parents and grandparents. She asked if they would like to see them
displaced. She stated that if children are told they are going to a different location for classes,
they probably wouldn't care. She asked the City Council to work with these people, work for
these people, be for the people who have elected them.
Alderman Spears also noted that she has received many calls and she has met with many of the
people in attendance tonight. She asked many to speak out but she was told they did not want to
"cause waves" or "I don't want to have repercussions ". The seniors continually sit back and
"take it'. She noted that these are people who have gone through the Depression, they have gone
through many things and this is forgotten. She noted that they are in attendance tonight because
they want to be part of the community. She asked the City Council to support their relocation to
the Beecher Center; a building they obtained.
Alderman Munns noted that Mr. Oliver's redevelopment of Countryside Center is a good think
for Yorkville; it will provide new tax dollars. He stated that this is helping all of Yorkville and
the seniors have to go somewhere. He stated that he is a veteran and he was sure some World
War Il veterans use the services and this is a population that has been underserved. He stated that
retired veterans can get information right here in Yorkville at the Senior Services Associates.
Alderman James commented that he did not want the seniors to leave Yorkville but he wanted to
see them find a suitable location. He stated that he has asked if they pursued looking at using the
American Legion and was told they did not investigate this. He noted that the building is
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empty Monday through Friday and probably does not need to be modified. He was concerned
that this was discounted. He stated that his other concern is that the Senior Services Associates
are not willing to make any concession and they have specified particulars that they want in the
agreement.
Alderman Leslie commented that he appreciated Alderman Spears passion however he
encouraged her not to " demonize" any individuals, him specifically. He stated that he is trying to
make the right decision. He noted that he spent most of his day over at the Beecher Center
speaking with the Golden Diners so he asked Alderman Spears not to challenge his empathy
towards the seniors. He stated that the City Council is dealing with a private association that
provides a great service for the community however it is a private organization using a City
building. He stated that he heard from four individuals today explaining how the Park &
Recreation programs won't work with the change. He commented that two issues trouble him;
the private land issue of the TIF and that he has not heard from anyone in the Parks & Recreation
Department regarding the relocation. He stated that the Parks & Recreation Department have
concerns but do not feel free to discuss them and that he would like to hear from the people in
charge of the programs being displaced by the seniors.
Police Chief Martin asked to address the City Council. He commented that the Police
Department has made a concerted effort to work closely with the seniors for years; some officers
have even gone through special training to work with senior citizens. He stated that this is
something he is proud of and enjoys. He noted that if the seniors are displaced it will free up
more time for these officers however it takes away from the importance of working with them
and he would like to continue to see this interaction. He reminded the Council that senior citizens
will soon be more populous group in the community as well as the country. He expressed his
opinion that the City has to take care of its seniors because it would be hurting the City to
displace them. He commented that he knows it is a difficult decision and he asked the City
Council to take into consideration that the seniors are the people that they will be in a few years.
Executive Director of Parks & Recreation Laura Brown commented that this is a policy question
that the City Council needs to make. She staged that the relocation is not an ideal situation but the
Recreation Department will use whatever resources they are given. She noted that the Park Board
has expressed their concerns with the situation because they are looking out for these programs.
Mayor Prochaska stated that he is taking full responsibility for this situation because he invited
Senior Services Associates to stay in Yorkville. He explained that many other locations were
looked at, even the American Legion. He further explained that not only is a large meeting area
needed but also offices for confidential meetings. He also explained that the cost factor at other
locations made it impractical for either the Senior Services Associates or the City. The Beecher
space is not ideal but will work for the Senior Services Associates and the Castle Bank room is
larger for recreation programs. He thought everyone could work together to make this work.
Alderman Besco asked the City Council if any of them had reviewed the proposed plans for the
Beecher Center which he first saw tonight. The other members of the Council indicated they had
not seen the plans.
➢ Based on this, Alderman Besco made a motion to postpone the vote until the September
27, 2005 City Council meeting; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Motion defeated by a roll call vote. Ayes -4 Nays -5
Burd -nay, James -aye, Leslie -nay, Munns -nay, Ohare -aye,
Spears -nay, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye, Prochaska -nay
Alderman Burd pointed out that Alderman Leslie stated that the City Council is deciding between
two entities. She stated that she felt this is only true if the Council turns down the use of the
Beecher Center by the Senior Services Associates because it is a definite vote no for the seniors.
If the vote is to allow the seniors to use the space, the Council is not saying no to any programs
because both the Recreation Department and the seniors programs will continue. If the vote is no
for the eement the Senior Services Associates will leave Yorkville and the message being sent
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is that the Council does not care enough for what they are providing the community to work with
them for a short term. She stated that she did not see how this temporary fix where everyone will
get to use a facility was a bad situation. She pointed out that the Mayor Prochaska has been
involved in the pursuit of a location and the Council has trusted him before on other issues. She
stated that she was surprised that some of the Council who have been his supporters were turning
their back on what he is saying. She stated that Mayor Prochaska, Alderman Spears and she have
a history on the Council and have been here a long time serving the community. She hoped the
other Council members would give them some credibility.
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Alderman Leslie asked if there was an opportunity to make a motion to amend the five -year term
of the agreement. Mayor Prochaska reread the motion on the floor: to approve the revised Senior
Facility Use Agreement as presented and to authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to sign the
agreement subject to legal review and approval by Senior Services Associates. Attorney Wyeth
clarified that the main motion currently on the floor could be amended.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Ohare to amend the agreement to a two -year term;
seconded by Alderman Wolfer.
Alderman Munns asked if the agreement would be amended to two -years with the same sixty -day
out clause. Alderman Ohare clarified that the sixty -day clause would remain. Alderman Leslie
commented that by making it a two year agreement, it will have to be reviewed. Mayor
Prochaska noted that the contract could be reviewed at anytime as it stands now. Alderman
Leslie stated that with the two year term it "must" be reviewed; he was asking for an obligation to
review it in two years. Mayor Prochaska stated that motion needed to be clarified.
Alderman Wolfer withdrew his second and Alderman Ohare withdrew the motion.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Ohare to amend the agreement to a two -year term, to
be reviewed at that time and with the sixty day out clause; seconded by Alderman James.
Alderman Burd asked how the funds being spent will be handled. Attorney Wyeth explained that
the funds will be prorated to two years.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the five year provision was because Senior Services Associates has
issues with their grant that is being used to upgrade the building. He stated that Senior Services
Associates may not be able to accept the agreement because it puts them in violation of the grant
terms.
Alderman Leslie stated that the spirit of what is trying to be done is to find a home for the Senior
Services Associates; they will have two years. Mayor Prochaska stated that the community it
planning a senior center; it is in the City's facility plan. He reiterated what he said earlier in the
discussion; the City is currently working to get a facility however it may not happen in two years.
He stated that he is hearing distrust that this won't happen. Alderman Leslie commented that by
putting a two -year limit on this puts a fire under the City Council to get this accomplished.
Mayor Prochaska countered that the contract currently reads that in that five -year time there is an
option to have Senior Services Associates move to another location.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Besco to terminate debate and have a vote on the
motion to amend the agreement; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Attorney Wyeth noted that six aye votes were needed to close the debate.
Motion defeated by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -3
Leslie -aye, Munns -nay, Ohare -aye, Spears -nay,
Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye, Burd -nay, James -aye
Alderman Spears explained that she did not agree with a two -year term because she didn't feel
Senior Services Associates would be satisfied with this. She stated that she has been on the City
Council long enough to know that a shorter term will not put a fire under the City; this Council
does not move quickly on anything. She stated that this could drag out for twenty years. She
commented that she did not feel that Mr. Oliver was going to put a lot of investment into a facility
for a two -year period. She felt he would loose so it would be better relocating Senior Services
Associates to Mason Square in Oswego. She stated that he has been cooperating with the City
trying to please these people. She stated she would like to believe that it is not a financial thing
for him but rather it is coming from his heart; he is a great supporter of senior citizens. She stated
that changing the contract to a two -year term was ridiculous and she would almost encourage the
Senior Services Associates to move to Mason Square. She stated she would be sorry to see them
go and she was song that the City will not support its senior. Alderman Leslie and Besco told
Alderman Spears that this was not fair. She retorted that it was fair. She stated that the
agreement could be kept at five years and the City could look for another location. She asked
why those commenting that there are other locations available aren't out there pursing them. She
asked why it was only up to certain people, like the Mayor, herself or the Senior Ad Hoc
Committee, to find a facility. She stated that the City Council could talk about all the faults
however everyone is trying to work together.
Alderman Spears asked that the seniors be given some sense of security so they did not feel
displaced like the hurricane Katrina victims. She asked how these victims would feel if they were
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told they could come to Illinois however in three months they were out and on their own because
it is not beneficial to Illinois for them to stay and take jobs away from residents or find a
comfortable community to live in. She stated that after this vote, if it is opposed, she would
guarantee any senior would change their mind if they were thinking they have found peace of
mind in Yorkville. She stated she would not feel comfortable retiring in Yorkville.
Alderman Burd asked for clarification on the Senior Services Associates' grant. She asked if they
needed a location for five years to receive the funding. Mayor Prochaska asked Mrs. Austin to
clarify this and she explained that the five years has to do with the lease. Mr. Oliver expanded on
this by explaining that the grant is tied into the Senior Services Associates having a lease and they
had five years left on the lease for the Countryside location.
Mr. Oliver explained that other locations were investigated but they proved unsuitable for use by
the Senior Services Associates. He apologized for putting the City Council in the middle of this;
he did not like to see the adversarial position. He suggested that the City Council postpone the
vote on the agreement for a few weeks so that everyone could calm down and get all the
information. He commented that Yorkville does not need this from the City Council; the City is
moving in the right direction with great Council members, seniors, schools, etc. He asked that
Yorkville be left in the direction it is moving.
Alderman Wolfer asked Mr. Oliver why Castle Bank was not a good location. Mr. Oliver
explained that it was offered to the Senior Services Associates and they had concern with the two
ingress /egresses with stairs. Senior Services Associates felt it would be too dangerous to be in the
basement even though he offered to add a sprinkler system and an elevator. He noted it would be
more economical for him to renovate the Castle Bank building than the Beecher Center. It was
asked if a back up generator was considered and he stated that this could be considered. Mr.
Oliver went on to explain that a location in the industrial park was investigated however he did
not want to put a senior facility in an industrial park because it made him feel like he was
relocating them to a garage. He reiterated that the Beecher Center is not a permanent solution.
He stated that he never said he would build a new building but he has had discussions with the
Mayor about a joint venture with the City to build a community center but this cannot be built in
thirty to sixty days. Alderman Wolfer asked if Mr. Oliver was adding sprinklers to the Castle
Building for the Recreation Department. W. Oliver stated that this would be done; the water
main has already been run for this.
Alderman Spear reiterated that Mr. Oliver was installing an elevator and maybe a backup
generator in the event of a disaster which is good. She asked how many people with walkers
could fit in an elevator at one time if they needed to escape.
Alderman Munns asked if the question could be called because everyone has had information for
six months and this should move on. Mayor Prochaska noted that this motion was made earlier
and defeated.
Mr. Oliver again asked that the City Council postpone the vote, take the emotions off the table,
review all the information and then make their decision. Alderman Besco agreed
Mayor Prochaska clarified that that there were two motions on the floor, one for the agreement
and the other to amend it. He reminded the Council that there was a motion to postpone the vote
which was defeated. He explained that to redo the motion to postpone, one of the aldermen who
voted nay would have to make the motion to reconsider.
Alderman Besco commented that tonight was the first time he saw the plans for the Beecher
renovation. He stated that he could have changed his mind if the plans had come to him earlier.
He had questions regarding the offices that are in the plans. He asked if the offices that they are
planning to construct are temporary so when the Senior Services Associates moves out, the
facility could still be used as it was prior to Senior Services Associates moving in. He stated he
would like to see revision made to the plans. He stated that he did not want to see Senior
Services Associates leave Yorkville but he did want to see Countryside gone and redeveloped
because it is an economic incentive for the City. He felt that the City, the seniors and the
developer have been put into a bad situation. He stated that none of the City Council are against
seniors; they all have parents, grandparents, etc. and it was wrong to say that the seniors are being
told to leave the community. He noted that he wasn't elected just by seniors but rather the whole
community. He acknowledged that seniors make a community strong and he wanted to work
something out. He agreed with Mr. Oliver that the vote should be postponed.
Mr. Oliver stated he was willing to make a presentation of the plans to the City Council at any
time. Alderman Wolfer stated that he would appreciate this. Mayor Prochaska stated that if this
was going to be done, he wanted recommendations from staff as to the plan. He took
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responsibility for the City Council not receiving the proper information and he stated that he tried
to keep people informed as well as he could however the dynamics of this situation happened
quickly.
Alderman James asked Mr. Oliver that if this agreement is not approved would it impact the
redevelopment of Countryside and Mr. Oliver stated it would.
Mayor Prochaska again reminded the City Council that the motion on the floor was to amend the
contract to a two -year term. Alderman James withdrew is second to this motion. Mayor
Prochaska and Attorney Wyeth clarified that the motion dies for a lack of a second.
Mayor Prochaska stated that there was still a motion on the floor, the motion to approve the
revised Senior Facility Use Agreement as presented and to authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to
sign the agreement subject to legal review and approval by Senior Services Associates.
➢ A motion was made by Alderman Wolfer to postpone the vote for two weeks in order to
get more information and bring it back to the Council for a vote.
It was discussed if Alderman Wolfer could make this motion and it was clarified that he voted
aye to the first vote to postpone. Mayor Prochaska clarified that to reconsider the motion to
postpone, it would have to be brought up by Aldermen Burd, Leslie, Munns or Spears.
Alderman Leslie expressed his concern that if he made the motion to reconsider postponing the
vote for two weeks he would be shutting the seniors out. Alderman Munns stated that postponing
the vote gives the seniors two more weeks of stress. Alderman Leslie asked Mr. Oliver if
postponing the vote would interfere in the dynamics of the situation and Mr. Oliver stated it
would not.
A motion was made by Alderman Leslie to reconsider postponing the vote until September 27,
2005; seconded by Alderman Wolfer.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -3
Munns -nay, Ohare -aye, Spears -nay, Wolfer -aye,
Besco -aye, Burd -nay, James -aye, Leslie -aye
Coffee with the Mayor
Mayor Prochaska reported that the next Coffee with the Mayor would be held on September 17,
2005 at Raintree Village, 461 Hazeltine Way, from 10:00 a.m. to noon.
CITY COUNCIL REPORT
No report.
ATTORNEY'S REPORT
Robert's Rules 101
Attorney Wyeth postponed his report on the Robert's Rules until the next City Council meeting.
CITY CLERK'S REPORT
Aldermen Burd and Besco momentarily stepped out of the meeting.
MFT Audit ##56 for 1 /1 /04 — 12/31/04
City Clerk Milschewski reported that she received Audit Report No. 56 from the Illinois
Department of Transportation (IDOT) which covered the receipt and disbursement of Motor Fuel
Tax (MF°T) for the period of January 1, 2004 to December 31, 2004. The net balance of NET
funds as of December 31, 2004 was $370,247.99. Clerk Milschewski requested a motion to
_ accept the IDOT Audit Report No. 56 as presented. So moved by Alderman James; seconded by
Alderman Wolfer.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -6 Nays -0
Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye
Attorney Wyeth and Administrator Graff noted that the full Council should be present for vote
under the Treasurer's Report so the City Administrator's Report was moved up on the agenda.
CITY ADNIINISTATOR'S REPORT,
Administrator Graff reported that he placed his letter of resignation in the City Council's mail
boxes after he tendered it to Mayor Prochaska. His last day with the City will be September 27,
2005.
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Alderman Wolfer stated that he was sorry to hear that Administrator Graff had resigned and he
wished him good luck.
Mayor Prochaska commented that it is with regret that he has accepted the resignation. He stated
that Administrator Graff has served Yorkville well as both Police Chief and as City
Administrator. He stated that he has brought a lot to the community by expanding and advancing
both the Police Department and administrative staff through education programs and expanding
staff to include positions such as the Finance Director. He stated that he felt comfortable having
Mr. Graff working on day-to-day dealings with everything from sewer interceptors to IDOT
meetings. He stated that Administrator Graff will be missed and he wished him well in his future
endeavors.
CITY TREASURER'S REPORT
Ordinance 2005 -75 Authorizing the Issuance of General Obligation Bonds
(Alternate Revenue Source) Series 2005
Rob Roy Creek Interceptor
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to approve an ordinance authorizing the issuance of
General Obligation Bonds (Alternate Revenue Source) Series 2005 in the amount not to exceed
$12,000,000.00 for the Rob Roy Creek Interceptor. So moved by Alderman James; seconded by
Alderman Leslie.
Finance Director Pleckham noted that the City Council received a red -line and a clean copy of the
ordinance and that the clean-up issue was to identifying a revenue source.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye,
Burd -aye, James-aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye
FINANCE DIRECTOR'S REPORT,
No report.
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS REPORT,
No report.
CHIEF OF POLICE REPORT
Hurricane Katrina
Police Chief Martin reported that Sergeant Hart has been working 14 to 20 hour days in New
Orleans helping the victims of hurricane Katrina. When he returns, Lieutenant Schwartzkopf will
probably head down to help.
Online Disaster Test
Mayor Prochaska asked Chief Martin about the online NIMS test. Chief Martin reminded the
Council to go online to take a test in order for the City to become NIMS compliant which will
help the City obtain grants. He explained that the test takes about one to two hours to take online.
He stated he would get the website information to the City Council.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION REPORT,
No report.
COMMUNITY & LIAISON REPORT
Midwest Literary Festival
Alderman Burd reported that she attended the Midwest Literary Festival in Aurora and that it was
a wonderful event. She stated that there were writing workshops and authors were available for
people to meet. Mayor Prochaska stated that he and Rita Feltes from the Yorkville Public Library
_ also attended and read stories with a grandparent theme. They also did projects with the children.
He also noted it was a successful event.
Polka Party
Mayor Prochaska reported that he and Alderman Spears attended the Polka Party for seniors at
the Beecher Center. He stated that it was a great event with a good turn out with over 150 people
in attendance with attendees from as far away as Wisconsin and Ohio. Alderman Spears added
that the entertainment asked how many people were from Yorkville and there were ten in
attendance. She stated that people were asking if this could be an annual event.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT,
Resolution 2005 -59 Approving the Final Plat of Subdivision for
Bristol Bay Units 1 -7
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve a resolution approving the Final Plat of
Subdivision for Bristol Bay Units 1 -7 as presented; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Alderman Spears questioned if this was the SSA that the City Council discussed and Mayor
Prochaska clarified that the motion was to approve the plat and not an SSA.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Ohare -aye, Spears -nay, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye,
Burd -aye, James -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye
Resolution 2005 -60 Approving the Final Plat of Subdivision for
Autumn Creek Unit 1
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve a resolution approving the Final Plat of
Subdivision for Autumn Creek Unit 1 as presented; seconded by Alderman Ohare.
Alderman Spears questioned if this development has an SSA and Mayor Prochaska stated that it
did. He reminded the City Council that they are voting that the final plat substantially meets the
preliminary plat. Alderman Spears asked if the City Council had already voted on the portion
that includes the SSA. Administrator Graff noted that SSA bonds have not been approved yet
however the intent has been approved. Alderman Spears clarified that if she voted in favor of this
was she approving the SSA and both Mayor Prochaska and Administrator Graff stated no and
reiterated that approval of this resolution is approving that the final plat substantially meets the
preliminary plat.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye, Burd -aye,
James -aye, Leslie -aye, Munn -aye, Ohare -aye
Resolution 2005 -61 Approving the Preliminary/Final Plat of Subdivision for
XPAC Property
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve a resolution approving the Preliminary/Final
Plat of Subdivision for XPAC Property as presented; seconded by Alderman Besco.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -aye,
Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye,
Development Agreement and Rezoning — Dearborn Property
201 So. Main Street and 204 Hydraulic Avenue
Attorney Bob Pihner addressed the City Council and explained that a question was raised at the
Committee of the Whole meeting last week about the effect of the TIF District on this property.
He stated that he has not had a chance to speak with Attorney Wyeth regarding this so he was
asking the City Council to postpone consideration of this matter for two weeks until the issues
can be resolved.
A motion was made by Alderman Burd to postpone the approval of the Development Agreement
and Rezoning for Robert and Debra Dearbom for 201 South Main Street and 204 Hydraulic
Avenue until the September 27, 2005 City Council meeting; seconded by Alderman Wolfer.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye, Besco -aye, Burd -aye,
James -aye, Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Ohare -aye
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT,
Purchase of Chevy Tahoe
A motion was made by Alderman Ohare to approve the purchase of a Chevy Tahoe in an amount
not to exceed $28,709.00 subject to the funding recommendation as presented within the
memorandum by Finance Director Traci Pleckham dated September 12, 2005; seconded by
Alderman Wolfer.
Finance Director Pleckham explained that she investigated how many building permits would be
needed to recoup the funds in the Capital Fund in order to obtain this vehicle. She state that if the
building permits don't materialize, she is recommending that the Contingency Fund or the Fund
Balance be used. Mayor Prochaska clarified that the budget would support this purchase if the
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building permits are not obtained. He noted that he did not mind Contingency Funds being used
however he had an issue using the Fund Balance. Administrator Graff noted that staff is
concerned with the increase in gas prices and Contingency Funds may be needed to offset this
cost. Director Pleckham stated this would be determined at audit time.
Alderman Burd asked that in the future the Finance Director notify the department head whose
fund is in this condition. Mayor Prochaska started that a procedure is being developed to address
-- this.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -nay, Leslie -aye,
Munns -aye, Ohare -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye
ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT,
No report.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
None.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to go into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing
the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance, or dismissal of specific
employees of the public body or legal counsel for the public body, including hearing testimony on
a complaint lodged against an employee of the public body or against legal counsel for the public
body to determine its validity. So moved by Alderman Besco; seconded by Alderman Wolfer.
He asked that the City Clerk, City Attorney and City Administrator be included in the session.
He noted that no action would be taken after the session.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Ohare -aye, Besco -aye, Burd -aye, James -aye,
Leslie -aye, Munns -aye, Spears -aye, Wolfer -aye
The City Council entered into executive session at 10:27 p.m.
The City Council returned to returned to regular session at 10:38 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to adjourn. So moved by Alderman Besco; seconded by
Alderman Wolfer.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
Meeting adjourned at 10:39 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Jacquelyn Milschewski,
City Clerk City of Yorkville, Illinois
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2 MR. ARTHUR F. PROCHASKA, Mayor;
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4 MR. JASON LESLIE, Alderman;
5 MS. VALERIE BURD, Alderman;
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10 MS. ROSE ANN SPEARS, Alderwoman;
11 MR. TONY GRAFF, City Administrator;
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15 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK
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16 Naperville, Illinois 60563
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2 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Next we have on
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4 would entertain a motion to go into public
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6 Yorkville - Bristol Sanitary District, petitioners,
7 request to annex to the United City of Yorkville
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11 facility and for hearing as to the annexation
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14 approximately 20.375 acres directly west of the
15 existing Yorkville - Bristol Sanitary District
16 property, Bristol Township, Kendall County,
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22 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Besco.
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1 MS. BURD: Aye.
2 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: James.
3 MS. JAMES: Aye.
4 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie.
5 MR. LESLIE: Aye.
6 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Munns.
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14 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried. '
15 We are now in public hearing. Is there anybody
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18 MR. WYETH: Mr. Fister is here.
19 MR. FISTER: I defer to our
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22 GREGG INGEMUNSON,
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2 forward annexation. The District has owned this
3 property for quite some time. It's 20 acres
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21 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Is there anyone in
22 the audience that would like to cross - examine the
23 attorney for the Sanitary District or have any
24 other comments or questions?
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1 (No Response)
2 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Hearing none, is
3 there anyone on the City Council that has any
4 comments or questions?
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6 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay. Then thank
7 you very much.
8 MR. INGEMUNSON: Thank you.
9 MAYOR PROCHASKA: At this time I
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11 hearing.
12 MS. SPEARS: So moved.
13 MS. BURD: Second.
14 MS. OHARE: Second.
15 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Moved and
16 seconded. May I have roll call, please?
17 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Burd.
18 MS. BURD: Aye.
19 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: James.
20 MR. JAMES: Aye.
21 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie.
22 MR. LESLIE: Aye.
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24 MR. MUNNS: Aye.
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1 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Ohare.
2 MS. OHARE: Aye.
3 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears.
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5 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Wolfer.
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8 MR. BESCO: Aye.
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9 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried.
10 Next we have on the agenda a
11 public hearing for the purpose of hearing from
12 Pulte Home Corporation, MPLIVIO, LLC, MPLIV20,
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13 LLC, and MLH Yorkville, LLC, petitioners, request
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14 to annex to the United City of Yorkville and
15 rezone from Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to
16 the United City of Yorkville Planned Unit
17 Development consisting of R -2 One - Family
18 Residence District, R -3 General Residence
19 District, and B -3 Service Business District, and
20 for hearing as to the annexation and planned unit
21 development agreement of petitioner.
22 The real property consists of
23 approximately 587 acres at the northwest corner �I
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1 County, Illinois.
2 Is there anyone that would like
3 to speak for the petitioner?
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4 MS. OHARE: So moved.
5 MS. SPEARS: Second.
6 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Moved and
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7 seconded. May I have roll call, please?
8 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Besco.
9 MR. BESCO: Aye.
10 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Burd.
11 MS. BURD: Aye.
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12 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: James.
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13 MR. JAMES: Aye.
14 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie.
15 MR. LESLIE: Aye.
16 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Munns.
17 MR. MUNNS: Aye.
18 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Ohare.
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20 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears.
21 MS. SPEARS: Aye.
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23 MR. WOLFER: Aye.
24 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried.
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1 Now, if someone would like to speak.
2 WHEREUPON:
3 CHARLES L. BYRUM,
4 testified before the Yorkville City Council as
5 follows:
6 MR. BYRUM: Thank you. My name is
7 Chuck Byrum. I am a lawyer with the firm of
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8 Gardner, Carton & Douglas, and we represent Pulte
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9 Home Corporation and Del Webb Corporation. They q
10 are the contract purchasers for the residential j
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11 portion of this property.
12 This is a public hearing, and I
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13 do have four witnesses who might -- two will give I
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14 testimony for sure, and two might, so I don't --
15 is it the custom to swear them all now or
16 individually?
17 MAYOR PROCHASKA: At the City
18 Council, it's been our custom that as long as we i
19 have the court reporter and they are -- they
20 realize they are in a public meeting, we do not
21 do additional swearing.
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1 MR. BYRUM: That's fine.
2 MR. WYETH: Fair enough.
3 MR. BYRUM: The Mayor has identified G.
4 the property, has identified the ownership. It 4'
5 is owned right now by three limited liability
6 companies.
7 The property is going to be --
8 We are seeking to have the property annexed. We
9 are seeking to have it zoned into three
10 categories.
11 The first will be R -2
12 single- family residential, and that will be
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14 That would be a community that would be developed N
15 by Pulte Home Corporation as conventional
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16 housing.
17 There will be an R -3 Planned
18 Unit Development District, and that will be
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19 developed by Del Webb as an age - restricted
20 residential community, and we are seeking PUD
21 approval on that one, and then there is a B -3
22 commercial district for the balance of the
23 property. That's approximately 30 acres.
24 We have appeared before the
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1 Plan Commission, and pursuant to public hearings,
2 the Plan Commission has approved and recommended t
3 the annexation of the property, the zoning of the
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4 property, and we hope to conclude the process
5 tomorrow night with the plan development approval
6 for the R -3 portion.
7 So tonight's hearing is a
8 public hearing on the annexation agreement, and I `
9 realize other items will be discussed, but I --
10 for the record, we have submitted a draft
11 - annexation agreement for the property. It bears
12 the draft date 8- 26 -05.
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13 If it looks familiar to you,
14 it's because it's largely the Autumn Creek
15 annexation agreement that we recently received
16 approval or recently executed with the City, but
17 I think that -- and we will be here to entertain
18 any public comment on the annexation agreement
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19 and answer any questions you may have on the
20 annexation agreement, but I think you are also
21 very interested in what we specifically have
22 intended and planned for the development of the
23 property and what the plans will look like, and j
24 that's where I'd like to go in our testimony
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1 right now.
2 We do have Matt Cudney, who
3 represents Pulte and Del Webb, and Phil
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4 Stuepfert, from SEC Planning, our planner, who
5 are going to talk to you a little bit about this,
6 and then we do have our engineers here from Smith
7 Engineering to answer any questions, but we don't
8 plan on direct testimony from them.
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10 to do is turn it over to Matt to talk a little
11 bit about our land uses. Matt?
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12 MR. STUEPFERT: Actually it's Phil.
13 MR. BYRUM: Phil, excuse me. j
14 WHEREUPON:
15 PHIL STUEPFERT,
16 testified before the Yorkville City Council as
17 follows:
18 MR. STUEPFERT: Phil Stuepfert with
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19 SEC Planning. And, first of all, good evening,
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20 and it's a pleasure to be here to talk about this
21 project.
22 It's an exciting project and
23 it's a very neat project, and you are going to
24 hear us use that word "neat" very much with this
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1 project, because it is. It's a neat buyer,
2 special buyer.
3 And we currently have six or
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4 seven projects for Del Webb across the country,
5 and in terms of site planning and some of the
6 products that we use, we're doing the same thing
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9 There's certain things that we j
10 are doing specific to the buyer and buyer needs.
11 You know, some of the things like the quality,
12 community, zoning, Del Webb's reputation is very j
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13 good. All of those things play into this
14 project. It's a very strong community. Matt i
15 will probably talk about some of this as well.
16 But the buyer is very unique,
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17 and they are looking for certain things in a
18 community, so that's why some of the site
19 planning standards that we are using, the way
20 the site plan is set up, is specific to this
21 buyer.
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23 about some of the variances that we are asking
24 for. Those variances are specific to the buyer's
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1 needs and the buyer's wants.
2 Before I get into some of that,
3 there are many things that we are in compliance
4 with. First of all, the Comprehensive Plan for
5 this property shows commercial down on the
6 southeast corner, and then it shows a
7 transitional use and then going to suburban
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8 neighborhood. We are very much in compliance
9 with that. '
10 Our overall gross density is
11 3.17 units per acre, and that is -- I believe in
12 the comments he said that's very consistent with j
13 the Comprehensive Plan.
14 In terms of the zoning, I
15 believe you have this exhibit in your packets.
16 It shows some of the adjacent properties.
17 We have the Bristol Bay project
18 by Centex over in this area, and you can see that
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19 there are B -3 zoning along 47. We are very
20 consistent with our B -3 zoning across from that.
21 The West Grade Village to the
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24 residential across from our residential.
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1 Here is the Bay Meadows
2 project, and I believe it's in the concept stage,
3 commercial and single- family detached. j
4 So we feel like we are fitting
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6 consistent from the zoning standpoint.
7 Some of the things -- and I'll
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9 of the site plan, I was mentioning that -- you
10 know, all the other projects we are doing around
11 the country, there are certain things that we do
12 in a Del Webb concept, and some of the items,
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13 like a dramatic entry and the water on both sides
14 of the entry, will add very unique presentation i
15 and a very strong community. We do that on all
16 of our communities around the country.
17 And one of the things you will
18 notice, this boulevard or this control and this
19 loop road, you will see there is no lots loaded
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20 on that type of track.
21 That's very intentional, so as
22 you drive through these communities, they have a
23 very nice feel.
24 If anybody has been through
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1 the Huntley project, it's a very pleasing
2 appearance as you drive through, so it's very
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3 intentional. Some of the lakes and the amenity
4 centers are, again, very intentional.
5 It's set up, as you can see,
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7 development, with one primary entry and then a
8 secondary access for emergency purposes.
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10 to have each project very specific for the
11 different buyers that come in there.
12 Some of the -- I won't go too
13 much into detail in the plan, but you'll see that
14 there are buffers along some of these areas,
15 berming and landscaping along 47 and along Galena
16 in those areas, so, again, everywhere you drive
17 around this project, I think this is a great
18 entryway into Yorkville as you come down south.
19 I mean, we are going to have
20 very nice landscaping, the water is an
21 impressive entry. Much like if you have seen
22 the Huntley project along 47, it has a very
23 distinct presence. You can't help but look over
24 there. We see some of the same things in this
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1 proj ect .
2 So those are some of the things
3 that we feel like we're doing that is very
4 consistent with the Comp Plan, and we have a very
5 strong project that way.
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6 Now, with some of the buyer
7 needs of wanting smaller lots and less
8 maintenance and things like that, we are asking
9 for some smaller lot sizes and some smaller
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10 setbacks, which is not typical for a lot of
11 developments around Yorkville.
12 Some of the justification for
13 that is, as I mentioned, the buyer doesn't want
14 all that yard to maintain, doesn't want to 1
15 maintain all the yard, don't want to maintain all
16 that landscaping.
17 They are looking for a
18 lifestyle community. They are not looking for a
19 big yard to let their kids run, they don't have
20 kids obviously, so they are looking for very
21 specific things, a lifestyle community with
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23 Secondly, some of the
24 reductions that we are asking for in terms of lot
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1 sizes and setbacks, hopefully you are not too
2 concerned with that because the lots of these are
3 ranch homes, and that's very key.
4 If you are in a development
5 with two -story homes, if you have a reduced
6 setback, it looks very dense, but in Del Webb
7 communities, they are all ranch homes, so as you
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8 go down the streets, it really doesn't have the
9 feeling that these homes are so tight.
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10 Hopefully if you go through
11 Huntley you will see that, very nice feel as you
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12 drive through the area, and a lot of that has to
13 do with the landscaping, increased landscaping in
14 the front yard, all the boulevards and all that,
15 so it just has a nice feel throughout the
16 community.
17 Lastly, we are asking for
18 reduced right -of -way widths. The reason we like
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19 to have these roads and right -of -ways, you have
20 more pedestrian streetscape.
21 A lot of these people are
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23 roads where traffic is moving very quickly and
24 fast. This is a different type of community. We
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1 want it to be safe.
2 We have curving roads. As you
3 can see, we don't have any very long, straight
4 roads, a fair amount of cul -de -sacs, which are
5 safer for some of these residents, so it's
6 really designed specifically, once again, for the
7 buyer.
8 That basically sums up a lot of
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9 the things I wanted to touch on. Obviously if e
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11 will answer those for you, but I do just
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14 are doing here we are doing around the country,
15 and they are templates that we apply to normal
16 projects and the same thing we are doing in this
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17 Yorkville project. Thank you.
18 MR. LESLIE: I have some comments.
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19 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Jason, first we
20 have to yield the floor.
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21 MR. STUEPFERT: Matt Cudney is going
22 to say a few things as well, so I'll turn it over
23 to him.
24 WHEREUPON:
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1 MATT CUDNEY,
2 testified before the Yorkville City Council as
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4 MR. CUDNEY: Hi. I'm Matt Cudney. 1
5 I'm with Pulte and Del Webb. I've seen many of
6 you for quite some time now, so I will talk a
7 little bit tonight and I'll keep it brief. j
8 I know that we've talked a lot
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9 in many different meetings, in the Committee of
10 the Whole meetings and some of the Economic
11 Development Committee meetings, in terms of what
12 this project is and what this project can bring j
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13 to Yorkville.
14 And, first off, I just really
15 want to kind of emphasize a couple of things we
16 have talked about in saying this is a project
17 that is unlike anything that has been done in
18 Yorkville before, and so I really encourage you
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19 to kind of take off the mindset of looking at
20 this as a traditional development at least in
21 terms of the Del Webb portion and open your minds
22 to what this actually is.
23 This is an age- restricted
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1 people who are 55 and older, provides a very
2 vital housing opportunity for many people who
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3 presently live in Yorkville and want to downsize
4 and really have no place to go.
5 And just really, as we go
6 through this, I know that it can be very, very
7 difficult to get past sometimes the lot sizes
8 you've done a really good job of trying to
9 maintain throughout your typical residential
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10 developments in Yorkville.
11 This is, again, completely
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13 before.
14 It may not necessarily be what
15 you personally would want to live in, but I think
16 there are some people who work in the City that
17 can testify that they have received many phone
18 calls, I have received some emails from people, I
19 have talked to some people who are actually in
20 the audience tonight who have asked me when they
21 can move in.
22 This is something that people
23 who presently live in Yorkville are interested in
24 and want to see.
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1 What we are trying to do -- and
2 I'll spend very little time on the Pulte portion
3 because that is not going to be unique -- that is
4 going to meet the straight zoning, it's not going
5 to be townhomes, it's all single- family detached,
6 it's very consistent with what you have in your
7 Comprehensive Plan, so I think from what we are
8 talking about, there really aren't variances or
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10 And primarily what I want to
11 focus on tonight is the focus on the other areas
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12 in the public area later tonight, but it is the
13 Del Webb portion that I think people really need
14 to understand to try to figure out what we're
15 trying to do here, and that's the reason we are
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16 going for a PUD, and I think it's a perfect
17 example of why you have a PUD ordinance, is to
18 allow certain variances and ordinances to allow a
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19 different type of community than what you have.
20 This is a blueprint that's been
21 used throughout the country, and you might ask
22 yourself why does Del Webb work, and I would say
23 Del Webb works for a couple different reasons.
24 One, we have 30 years of
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1 experience of doing this. We've done this in
2 several states across the country. We are very
3 concerned about what kind of product we put out, "
4 we are very concerned about what kind of housing
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5 we offer, we are concerned with the lifestyle
6 people have, and that's one things Del Webb is
7 concerned about, is their lifestyle.
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8 The lifestyle that a Del Webb
9 community provides is a couple different things.
10 One, we have an amenity center that is sized
11 appropriately and adequately.
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13 activities who organizes activities and clubs at
14 the request of different residents, and perhaps
15 most importantly for a lot of seniors is the fact
16 this is a no maintenance community. They will I
17 not have to worry about mowing lawns, snow
18 removal.
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20 they can do some plantings on their own if they
21 so desire, but for them this is something that
22 they can go ahead and not have to worry about any
23 of those things as sometimes when you downsize is
24 not what you want to deal with.
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1 We want to spend our time
2 playing with our grandkids or playing bocce or
3 any of the other things in the community.
4 Del Webb is value. We have
5 reasonable home pricing. What we're trying to
6 make sure is that these people, as they downsize,
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7 that they can afford this home. j
8 One of the things you don't
9 really want is to have a large mortgage after you
10 retire, and what we try and do is provide
11 reasonable finance -- or reasonable pricing so
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12 that as people sell their homes and downsize,
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13 they either can pay cash for their home or have a
14 reasonable down payment so that their monthly --
15 their monthly payment is low.
16 In addition to that, there is a
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17 low monthly assessment. We try and keep the
18 assessment as low as possible in order to provide
19 all the amenities that these people want.
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23 I think one of the biggest
24 benefits is there is a significant increase in
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1 property taxes in particular that would benefit
2 the schools without any impact to the schools.
3 In an age- restricted community,
4 people who are -- you cannot have anybody who is
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5 actually 21, under 21, live there, so you may
6 have some grandkids come and visit, but they
7 actually cannot come and live with you. In order j
8 to actually purchase them, you have to be 55 and
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9 older.
10 So what you are doing is you
11 are actually generating a bunch of tax credits,
12 and we have finished up a fiscal impact study,
13 which you should be receiving next week, if not
14 this week, just for the Del Webb portion of the
15 project.
16 In addition, as you look at the
17 populations that are generated by this, because
18 they are ranch homes and they are geared towards
19 people who are 55 and older, the average '
20 population in each home is 1.8 people.
21 Your ordinance talks about your
22 regular single- family homes, and that includes
23 people with children, and that is 3.75, so you
24 have a much different -- big difference in the
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1 population, and that's -- let me just talk a
2 little bit about the sheet that I handed out.
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3 It's talking a little bit about
4 comparing what it would be if this was an
5 actual -- besides an active adult community to a
6 traditional community, and the chart on the top
7 basically says that if you just went in with a j
8 density of 2.5, and for this particular area here j
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11 the maximum, I just took the 3.5, lowered it to i
12 three people per unit, and I just want to point
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14 If you look on the top one,
15 there is -- in the Del Webb portion, it's 811
16 homes. If we were to have traditional homes
17 there with the same -- with this density of 2.5,
18 so it is a little less dense, you would have 183
19 more homes for Del Webb.
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20 But look at the population.
21 That's almost a thousand more people, and almost
22 all of those people are children, which are going
23 to be an impact to the school district.
24 And I provided two examples on t'
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1 here, a density of 2.5 per acre and a 3.0 per
2 acre, just to show what we are looking for in
3 terms of what's going to be generated through the
4 population for this development, so I think what
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6 have a fewer number of people in these homes,
7 you're going to have a decrease in your usage in
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11 typically retired, they do not travel in peak
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13 working or are working part -time and they have
14 more flexibility with their hours, so in addition
15 to that, they are not using the roadways when
16 everybody else is.
17 In addition, Del Webb
18 communities they are more cost effective in terms
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20 Those are what I think are some
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22 there are also some residual benefits as well
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24 But we have done different
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1 studies as well, and the study you will receive
2 is 37 percent of the people who live in the Del
3 Webb communities are actively volunteering in the
4 community outside of the Del Webb area itself,
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7 having such community involvement, and they have
8 so many people who do so many good things here,
9 as recognized by the Moose tonight and other R
10 people recognized for things that they do.
11 37 percent of the people that
12 live in Del Webb want to do good things. They
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13 are also consumers, they want to shop close at
14 home, and I think if you talk to different people
15 in the Economic Development Committee, Del Webb
16 communities provide a really strong economic
17 engine for growth for retail.
18 And another thing I think that
19 is very important is it allows long -term
20 residents to remain in the area. There is a big
21 market for people who want to live in a community
22 like Del Webb, and there's really nothing out
23 there for them, no place for them to go, and I
24 think that is a real big plus for this community
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2 That pretty much wraps up what
3 we have in terms of a formal presentation. If
4 the public has questions, we also have our
5 engineer here as well to answer any specific
6 questions.
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7 MAYOR PROCHASKA: At this time I
8 would ask if there is anybody that would like to
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10 make any comment on this particular project and
11 annexation agreement.
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14 Alderman Leslie, I believe you have comments.
15 MR. LESLIE: I've seen this project
16 a couple of times, it's gone through EDC. I want
17 to point out -- I'm sorry, I don't remember his
18 name -- some of the right -of -ways, lot sizes, I
19 think it's only fair to point out that it does i!
20 aid the developer as well.
21 I understand that the aging
22 population may not want to maintain a lawn, but
23 there is a motive for profit here. I think it's
24 fine, I just want to state that.
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1 In specific, item number 20, I
2 notice you had the establishment of a special
3 service area, installation, public improvement
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5 something we are seeing more and more.
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8 application for an SSA.
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10 the plan that you've already heard insofar as the
11 EMS services, it's very consolidated. I
12 understand the rolling meadows aspect as you are
13 driving through.
14 This to me looks like
15 reminiscent of a Boulder Hill, a lot of straight
16 streets. I can get lost in it myself. I have
17 concerns with plowing it as far as physical !
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19 geriatric population moves in, snow removal is
20 going to be important, and finding their way in
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22 So aside from that, I think
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24 I think it's a noble effort, but I have a few
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2 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I guess the SSA
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4 MR. CUDNEY: All right. One of the
5 things to talk about, and I know there have been
6 a lot of discussions about the SSA, and I think
7 the thing to talk about is in particular with the
8 Del Webb portion of it, we would not be j
9 requesting an SSA on the Del Webb portion of the
10 community for a couple different reasons.
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14 difficult to add the SSA to that, but one of the
15 things that we are doing is if you look at the
16 roadway improvements in particular that are going f
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18 are significant improvements along Route 47 that N
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21 - along the baseline road, along the extension of
22 Beecher, which I understand is a very important
23 aspect of your transportation plan, and also some
24 improvements along Galena Road in terms of -- and
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2 the SSA are things that are going to be regional
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5 in hearing a lot of the discussions you've had,
6 many people have had, maybe the developer should
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10 in their own site.
11 And I think that that's a fair
12 and legitimate argument to make, but the other
13 thing I would say is that in terms of doing
14 things that are perhaps above and beyond what
15 would normally be done for a development like
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16 this and certain things that are going to be
17 benefiting the region as a whole, those should be
18 things that should be eligible for the SSA, and I
19 think we could work with the City to kind of
20 identify those and identify certain parameters in
21 terms of what should be included in an SSA and
22 specific dollar amounts in terms of what should
23 be included in an SSA to try and really control
24 how much is there and what that -- what that
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5 plowing, you know, we've had different meetings
6 with the City Staff, and I don't believe there
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11 It's like any other
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13 oftentimes get lost in it. I imagine people will
14 be getting lost in Grande Reserve quite a bit.
15 But what we have found in
16 particular with this particular age group, they a
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18 don't belong there, and that's one of the reasons
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19 there aren't a lot of interconnections with other
20 streets.
21 This is something very
22 important. They want the security of knowing
23 that people who are in their neighborhood are
24 people who belong there. And, again, the way
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1 that it is laid out is something that that will
2 provide. {
3 I don't think that snowplowing
4 has been an issue. I know it hasn't been an
5 issue in Sun City. We are doing a couple other
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9 as you go along in terms of the first time you go
10 in and get lost, and I would say that I wouldn't
11 want to shortchange any of the people who live
12 there by saying that they're not going to be able
13 to find their way around because I know a lot of
14 people, you know, particularly in a lot of these
15 developments like having the areas there so it's
16 not easy for people to get to. i
17 MR. LESLIE: I hope you go with me
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18 on the first tour getting in and out.
19 MR. CUDNEY: Absolutely. And,
20 again, I don't know how many people have gotten
21 out to look at other developments that we've
22 done, but I think it's very important.
23 I think it gives you a better w
24 understanding and a better feel for how the whole
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1 thing works because it's hard to look at this
2 right now and on paper try and conceptualize how
3 this all flows, and I know that Alderman Burd had
4 brought up in terms of going to Sun City to make I I
5 sure that you get off the beaten path and not
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9 But there are many {
10 neighborhoods around there next to the golf
11 course that will show you just how the community
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13 see the development of the landscaping, you can
14 see the development of the homes. It really is a
15 beautiful community. It really is.
16 MR. LESLIE: Thank you.
17 MS. OHARE: Question.
18 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Yes.
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19 MS. OHARE: Sir, before you walk
20 away, I have an email letter to the City engineer
21 and he's brought up several issues. Have any of
22 those been addressed?
23 MR. CUDNEY: Depends on the date of
24 your letter.
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1 MS. OHARE: September 12.
2 MR. CUDNEY: There are certain f
3 things within that letter that I think we can let
4 our engineer actually talk about.
5 Some of the things on there in
6 terms of I think some of the turning, curves --
7 MS. OHARE: Right.
8 MR. CUDNEY: -- I think some of that
9 is by design. We want to have those curves in
10 there for several different reasons.
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12 calming devices because as you have those curves
13 that are a little sharper, people have to go
14 slower within those areas.
15 Unless you have anything more
16 specific, I'm not sure what you would want me to e
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18 MS. OHARE: I didn't know --
19 There is just a list here and I didn't know if
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21 MR. CUDNEY: We had met several
22 times with Mr. Whitehouse in terms of what he's
23 got and what he wants.
24 I think he understands and
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1 recognizes the fact that this is a very different
2 type of community and so it needs to be looked at
3 in a little bit different way than your
4 traditional community would be looked at.
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5 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Rose?
6 MS. SPEARS: I do have several
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9 Are these sizes that's going to f
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11 Plainfield?
12 MR. CUDNEY: The development --
13 MS. SPEARS: Is that the one in
14 Plainfield that you said? Where is your other
15 one?
16 MR. CUDNEY: No. We've got one in a
17 Shorewood.
18 MS. SPEARS: Shorewood. Okay.
19 MR. CUDNEY: I think these are j
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21 MS. SPEARS: Okay. Because I think
22 the houses are very close in there. I did go
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9 that in mind as well. j
10 MS. SPEARS: Okay. I will. And
11 also what are you estimating your average home
12 cost, average ranch home cost, is in here?
13 MR. CUDNEY: The average home cost
14 probably on the attached project, our duplexes,
15 are going to be the low 200's --
16 MS. SPEARS: Okay.
17 MR. CUDNEY: -- starting out, the
18 mid -200's probably for our classic, and probably
19 the high 200's for what we call premier.
20 MS. SPEARS: And those are your
21 ranch homes?
22 MR. CUDNEY: They are all ranch.
23 MS. SPEARS: They are all ranch,
24 okay. You do have an association, correct, that
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4 MS. SPEARS: That really shouldn't
5 be an issue about having smaller lot sizes.
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8 MR. CUDNEY: You know what?
9 Probably not with this. We usually -- In most of
10 our Del Webb communities we have on- street
11 parking on one side of the street, because of the
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13 usually there is plenty of parking within -- all
14 homes have two car garages, so there is two
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16 in certain areas there could be parking on the
17 street.
18 MS. SPEARS: Okay. Because I think
19 you were here at one of our meetings when we had
20 a lot of discussions on the problems that we are
21 currently experiencing in the City with on- street
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23 if you have smaller right -of -ways, reduced
24 right -of -ways, and even though you have parking
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1 allowing it on one side of the street, I know
2 it's going to be based on what our ordinance
3 calls for, but I am a little concerned with your
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5 MR. CUDNEY: And if I might say with
6 that, again, with the parking that you would face
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11 issue with parking.
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12 MS. SPEARS: Okay. And are your
13 facilities -- I know you're going to have many,
14 many different facilities that are geared to the
15 seniors, and I think that's great.
16 Are they going to be open to
17 our various seniors that are not living in your
18 development? Will they have access? Will they
19 be able to come here?
20 MR. CUDNEY: No. That is an amenity
21 center basically for the people who are there
22 because they are the ones who are paying for the
23 support of the community center. It's part of
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1 MS. SPEARS: Also, just a few more.
2 MR. CUDNEY: That's fine. Many as
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8 MR. CUDNEY: The way I believe the
9 federal law is written and the way it works, you
10 are supposed to be 55 or older to be able to
11 purchase a home.
12 Now, there may be people who I
13 are 55 who have someone -- they may be married to
14 somebody who is younger and they can live there,
15 but in order for someone to actually live there,
16 the age requirement is 21.
17 MS. SPEARS: Okay. So if a resident
18 is, let's say, 60 years old or 55 and they have
19 possibly a grandchild that's 25 and decides to
20 move in with them, is that going to be allowed,
21 and if they have children, are they going to be
22 allowed to do that?
23 MR. CUDNEY: No, not if they have
24 children.
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1 MS. SPEARS: So children can't
2 really move in with these people at all.
3 MR. CUDNEY: Correct. Correct.
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9 Number one, I think it actually fits perfectly j
10 for Yorkville. We have a lot of traditional
11 developments going on and there is many choices
12 there. There is not many choices in this genre
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14 yard.
15 I like the less population. I
16 am not too keen on more houses, but I think less
17 population, which means less cars, because you
18 don't have the four or five kids in the driveway
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20 And what I like for economic building, there is
21 more disposable income in Yorkville, which
22 generates more tax for Yorkville. So that's my
23 comments.
24 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Joe.
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1 MR. BESCO: Yes. I also have a
2 comment on the Special Service Area first. Under
3 22, the wording is primary funding mechanism. So
4 I'm sure that can be changed.
5 And then another observation I
6 had was there is 17 cul -de -sacs in the Del Webb
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9 Personally I think in a
10 situation like this that a back -up SSA for
11 plowing and making private would be much more
12 appropriate. That would be very time - consuming
13 on our public works department.
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15 plowing that in the middle of the night, I'd get
16 lost, too.
17 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Anyone else? i
18 MS. SPEARS: Can I have one more? IEI
19 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay.
20 MS. SPEARS: Sorry. Recently our
21 Council has been talking about, especially with
22 age restricted or senior targeted areas, to --
23 instead of applying money to -- and this is
24 something that our Council has to work out,
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1 instead of applying funds strictly to our parks
2 department, that the funds would be applied to
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4 personal opinion is I am going to wait before I
5 vote on any developments such as this until our
6 City has all this in place so we know exactly
7 what percent would be allocated to a community
8 center for our seniors.
9 MR. CUDNEY: I think -- j
10 MS. SPEARS: It's something that
11 needs to be worked out with you.
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13 that you know I was there at the meeting last
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15 issues, and I think it's vital, particularly as
16 our population continues to age, to have services q
17 that are available for seniors, and I think
18 internally it's a decision that you may -- what
19 you want to do with the dollars that are
20 generated by any developers go towards that, and,
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22 whatever you want to do, and I'm not sure what
23 you actually need to do in terms of that.
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1 whatever funding you want. If anything, a parks
2 department, that's funding you can allocate any
3 way you want, so I guess I defer to your Council
4 what we need to do. I think it's a good idea.
5 MS. SPEARS: Thank you.
6 MS. OHARE: One more comment here? I
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8 it. I've seen several of them. I have toured
9 Huntley and you have one up near Elgin.
10 MR. CUDNEY: One in Elgin, too.
11 MS. OHARE: I have toured that one.
12 I do qualify, but -- and I have a couple people
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15 come in, and I think we should be pleased that
16 you have selected our area.
17 I think it would do a lot of
18 people -- not just people that live in Yorkville,
19 but people that want to move out of other
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21 this way. So I think it's a good idea.
22 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Paul?
23 MR. JAMES: I'd like to say it's
24 nice to see that you are doing a whole community
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1 that's dedicated for the seniors. I think that's
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8 And the biggest thing is, you
9 know, there are possibly you are saying
10 approximately 800 homes and there is no impact on
11 the school system, and -- well, there is impact,
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13 into the school system, so, you know, I think
14 that's outstanding.
15 That's something that's very
J 16 important, you know, that we put a whole
17 community in there and they are helping pay for
18 our school system without putting any students in
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20 MR. CUDNEY: And I think that to add
21 on to that, I think also when you go back to the
22 percentage of that 37 percent of the people who
23 live there are actively volunteering in the
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1 mentors, to tap into speakers, to tap into a
2 great resource, you know, that you can build a
3 lot of synergy within the school district itself,
4 that it really begs for that to happen.
5 MR. JAMES: And I guess to address
6 the parking and stuff, I've seen -- A lot of
7 communities I've seen like this, most of the
8 homes, there is very few homes that really have
9 two cars. Parking is not an issue in these
10 communities.
11 It's basically the homes that
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15 does go through, I was just curious of
16 projections of when you would start building and
17 when you think the first home would be up for
18 sale.
19 MR. CUDNEY: We would like to start
20 building sometime in the spring. I think -- I
21 mentioned at a couple different meetings when we
22 opened our community in Elgin in Edgewater, we
23 opened for sales on Saturday and there were j
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1 before, so there is a very large demand.
2 And as I've said already, I've
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4 you can talk to Liz D'Anna, she has fielded many,
5 many phones call from people who want to know
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8 Yorkville in terms of being able to attract more
9 retail.
10 I think there is re -- Retail
11 is coming into Yorkville right now and they are
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13 that helps put everything over the edge.
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14 MR. JAMES: So there are people
15 basically contacting you already?
16 MR. CUDNEY: Right. And it goes I
17 into a lead bank, and they have contacted their
18 alderman already and said that they are in
19 support of the project.
20 MR. JAMES: So I guess -- you know,
21 I've had people ask me. So how do I direct them
22 to you?
23 MR. CUDNEY: Okay. I'll give you
24 my phone number. And you know what? I don't
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5 can actually call in directly at this point
6 because we haven't approved the project and we
7 don't want to put the cart before the horse.
8 I know a lot of other
9 developers that have gotten in trouble that are
10 advertising without having gotten approval.
11 I can get their information,
12 direct them where to get the right information,
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14 Need that again?
15 MR. GRAFF: Don't worry, I'll give
16 it out.
17 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Is there anyone
18 else on the Council that would like to make a
19 statement?
20 MS. SPEARS: He might want to repeat
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22 MR. CUDNEY: My name is Matt
23 Cudney. That's C- U- D- N -E -Y. My number is j
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1 MS. OHARE: Changing your number
2 tomorrow?
3 MR. CUDNEY: It's always great to
4 talk to people and, you know, I think that a lot
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7 have heard in almost every new community that we
8 have started out in because it is something that
9 is completely different than what most people
10 have ever seen before, so the questions are all
11 good. The questions are all right on target.
12 The only thing that I can take
13 in is that, you know, this is a different type of
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15 neighborhood with, you know, two stories and big
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17 for 30 years now and this is -- these are things
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22 that's about all that I can say about that, and f
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1 these questions at almost every place we have
2 gone in, so I commend you for doing your
3 homework. If you haven't taken a look at the
4 community, do so.
5 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Anyone else?
6 (No Response)
7 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I would like to
8 say thank you. I have visited two of the
9 communities, the Sun City and the one in Elgin.
10 I did have an opportunity to
11 talk to a couple of the residents, I got a little
12 input from them on,their thoughts, and they
13 seemed very pleased with where they lived, and I
14 did make a point to go into the neighborhoods.
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19 right -of -ways, that are we talking about reducing
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21 MR. CUDNEY: And that's a very good
22 point. We are not talking about reducing the
23 street widths, except I believe in the area of
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1 MR. STUEPFERT: No.
2 MR. CUDNEY: Not even there? Not
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5 reducing the right -of -way and the parkways, so
6 the streets themselves are not smaller, but, you
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7 know, it's a real good point in terms of the way
8 the right -of -ways are, you have a lot of -- lot
9 of area that's there that is not necessarily part
10 of the street itself.
11 Oftentimes in your right -of -way
12 you run some utilities, and we do have utility
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18 MAYOR PROCHASKA: And then the only
19 other thing I just wanted to make a point of, I
20 was contacted by the Superintendent of Schools
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22 look at the language dealing with the fee
23 structure for especially the Del Webb area.
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1 something that's been talked about for many
2 years, especially when it comes to age
3 restricted, so I suspect we'll see some -- some
4 letter or some kind of comment that comes.
5 That's what I've been told. So that may come
6 before this gets passed also.
7 Other than that, does anyone
8 else have any other comments?
9 MS. SPEARS: Is this going to have y
10 fire district fees listed in here as well?
11 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I think they said
12 individually. I believe, John, did we say all f
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14 MR. WYETH: Under ordinance or
15 specifically. I will double - check.
16 MR. CUDNEY: A thousand dollars is
17 the impact fee.
18 MAYOR PROCHASKA: It needs to be --
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20 MR. GRAFF: We will introduce an
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22 the numbers which will have all the fees.
23 MAYOR PROCHASKA: And that will be
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2 MR. CUDNEY: Correct.
3 MR. GRAFF: We will do that for you.
4 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay. If there is
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8 MS. OHARE: Second.
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10 seconded. May I have roll call, please?
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14 MR. JAMES: Aye. ?
15 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Leslie.
16 MR. LESLIE: Aye.
17 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Munns.
18 MR. MUNNS: Aye.
19 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Ohare. 1
20 MS. OHARE: Aye.
21 MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears.
22 MS. SPEARS: Aye.
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2 MR. BESCO: Aye.
3 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried.
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Total Population 1460 2824
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YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS should be considered as preliminary. in need of verification, and
subject to change. This land plan is conceptual in nature and does not
represent any regulatory approval. Plan is subject to change.