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AGENDA
Wednesday, October 12, 2005
City Council Chambers
800 Game Farm Road
REVISED: 10/7/05
Meeting Called to Order: 7:00 p.m.
Roll Call:
Previous Meeting Minutes: Corrections/Approval: May 11, 2005
Public Hearings:
1. This public hearing has been cancelled.
PC 2005-44 Donald E. Schramm and Standard Bank & Trust, as Trustee under a certain
Agreement dated 4/1/04 and known as Trust#18190, petitioners, have filed an application with the
United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of
Yorkville and rezoning from Kane County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned
Unit Development containing commercial, office and residential districts. The real property
consists of approximately 36.0533 acres at 9338 Bypass 30, Township of Sugar Grove, Kane
County, Illinois.
2. This public hearing has been cancelled.
PC 2005-44 Donald E. Schramm and Standard Bank& Trust, as Trustee under a certain
Agreement dated 4/1/04 and known as Trust#18190, petitioners, have filed an application with the
United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of
Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned
Unit Development containing commercial, office and residential districts. The real property
consists of approximately 175.7283 acres at 9338 Bypass 30, Bristol Township, Kendall County,
Illinois.
3. PC 2005-32 JS&WD Development, LLC, Harry Anderson and William Galvin, Jr., petitioners,
have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting
annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to
United City of Yorkville R-2 One-Family Residence District. The real property consists of
approximately 178.3 acres South of Route 71 and West of Legion Road, Kendall Township,
Kendall County, Illinois.
Plan Commission
October 12, 2005
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Public Hearings (con't):
4. PC 2005-33 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes, JS&WD Development, LLC, Harry Anderson and
William Galvin, Jr., petitioners, have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville,
Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from
Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville B-2 General Business District and R-
2 One-Family Residence District. The real property consists of approximately 154 acres North of
Route 71 and West of Pavillion Road, Kendall Township, Kendall County, Illinois.
Presentation: None
Old Business:
1. PC 2005-43 Daniel A. Laniosz and Hinsbrook Bank Trust#03-008, petitioners, have filed an
application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the
United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of
Yorkville B-3 Service Business District. The real property consists of approximately 3.13 acres at
10701 Route 71, Kendall Township, Kendall County, Illinois.
New Business:
1. PC 2005-44 Donald E. Schramm and Standard Bank & Trust, as Trustee under a certain
Agreement dated 4/1/04 and known as Trust#18190, petitioners, have filed an application with the
United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of
Yorkville and rezoning from Kane County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned
Unit Development containing commercial, office and residential districts. The real property
consists of approximately 36.0533 acres at 9338 Bypass 30, Township of Sugar Grove, Kane
County, Illinois.
2. PC 2005-44 Donald E. Schramm and Standard Bank &Trust, as Trustee under a certain
Agreement dated 4/1/04 and known as Trust#18190, petitioners, have filed an application with the
United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of
Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville Planned
Unit Development containing commercial, office and residential districts. The real property
consists of approximately 175.7283 acres at 9338 Bypass 30, Bristol Township, Kendall County,
Illinois.
3. PC 2005-32 JS&WD Development, LLC, Harry Anderson and William Galvin, Jr., petitioners,
have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting
annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to
United City of Yorkville R-2 One-Family Residence District. The real property consists of
approximately 178.3 acres South of Route 71 and West of Legion Road, Kendall Township,
Kendall County, Illinois.
Plan Commission
October 12, 2005
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New Business (con't):
4. PC 2005-33 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes, JS&WD Development, LLC, Harry Anderson and
William Galvin, Jr., petitioners, have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville,
Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from
Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville B-2 General Business District and R-
2 One-Family Residence District. The real property consists of approximately 154 acres North of
Route 71 and West of Pavillion Road, Kendall Township, Kendall County, Illinois.
5. PC 2005-50 Windett Ridge Unit 3 (Dhuse Property) - Concept Plan
Additional Business:
Adjournment:
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UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE DRAFT
PLAN COMMISSION
YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
WEDNESDAY,MAY 11, 2005
Acting Chairman Anne Lucietto called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Charles Kraupner, Clarence Holdiman, Anne Lucietto, Bill Davis,
Brian Schillinger, Jack Jones and Michael Crouch.
A quorum was established.
VISITORS
Mayor Art Prochaska; City Attorney John Wyeth; City Planner Mike Schoppe; and John
Whitehouse, from EEI. Also Greg Ingmunson, David Meek, R. Mandernack, Faye Gates,
Richard Allen, Robert Allen, John Daniels, Chuck Brooks, Wayne Roberts, Tony Scott,
Bob Fisher, Sara Fisher, Richard Brummel, Alice Brummel, Darrell Busch, Dave
Schmelzle, Richard Scheffrahn, Dave Waden, Jason Wiesbrock, Rich Guerard, Glenn
Kleefisch, Robert Dearborn and Bob Pilmer.
MINUTES
Crouch made a motion to approve minutes from the Jan. 12, Feb. 9, March 23 and April
13, 2005 meetings. Kraupner seconded the motion. Corrections were made to the Jan. 12
court reporter documents to include Crouch and Lucietto in the roll. All of the minutes
were approved by a voice vote.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Crouch made a motion to open the first public hearing. Holdiman seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote.
1. PC 2004-18Wyndham Deerpoint Homes and Judith I. Bell, Jennie M. Mulvey and
Richard Huston petition to rezone.
See attached.
Jones made a motion to close the hearing. Davis seconded the motion. The motion was
unanimously approved by a voice vote.
Kraupner made a motion to open the second public hearing. Crouch seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote.
2. PC 2005-08 McCue Builders, Inc. and Youth Camp Association of District 12 and
13 Polish National Affiance of the United States of America petition to annex and
rezone.
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See attached.
Crouch made a motion to close the public hearing. Jones seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote.
Crouch made a motion to open the third public hearing. Jones seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote.
3. PC 2005-14 and PC 2005-15 Robert and Debra Dearborn,petition to rezone
See attached.
Crouch made a motion to close the public hearing. Schillinger seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
NEW BUSINESS
1. PC 2004-18 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes
Crouch said the situation hasn't changed since the last time the petition was presented.
The plan still largely impacts the people who live on Walnut Drive and as they stated in
the public hearing, they aren't happy about it, Crouch said. Overall, he said he sees the
same plan as presented earlier with the same problems.
Rich Guerard from Wyndham Deerpoint Homes said at the city's request,they put in an
access to the south to eventually connect to another roadway. The only reason the plan
has come back through the system is because of a setback change. The property was
already annexed a zoned R-3. As for Walnut Drive,he said it is a designated public street
and there's literally nothing else that can be done. The dispute is that the residents who
testified at the public hearing fear using Walnut Drive as an entrance will impact their
property. Guerard said it would impact their property. However,he said there's nothing
else the developers and residents can do,but try to manage the best they can.
City Planner Mike Schoppe the city's in the process of researching easements that may or
may not have been made. The latest plat in 2002 shows there's an ingress and egress
easement placed on St. Joseph's Way. It doesn't identify whom the easement is granted
to and what rights might apply. The city attorney is looking into that issue, Schoppe said.
He said the issue has been looked at several times and St. Joseph Way has been planned
to extend through the property and eventually to Route 47.
Schoppe added the Planning Council hasn't looked at the proposal yet as a preliminary
PUD plan. Lucietto then questioned if the Plan Commission is premature in voting on
this issue without input from the city staff. Without a staff recommendation or review
Lucietto said she didn't feel ready to vote.
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Crouch made a motion to table the request for PC 2004-18. Holdiman seconded the
motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Holdiman,
Davis, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch and Lucietto voted yes.
2. PC 2005-08 McCue Builders petition to annex and rezone
Crouch said the commission had a lot of issues on this request when it was brought to the
commission earlier as a concept plan. At the top of the list was the fact there's only one
entry/exit planned. There are questions about the road to the east that might come through
the property. Also, there are a number of lots that are smaller than 12,000 square feet that
don't back up to open space.
Attorney Greg Ingmunson said the road to the east won't cross Blackberry Creek so it's
unlikely it would go through this property. John Whitehouse from Engineering
Enterprises, Inc. said the city plan shows an east-west road on the north side of the school
property, which is where the north driveway is. However, he said it's unlikely that's
where the road would go. In fact,he doubts there ever will be a roadway bridge to cross
Blackberry Creek.
Even if the east-west road doesn't go through the property, there are still a number of
transportation issues plaguing the plan. For one, Cannonball Trail might be extended
through to River Road, Whitehouse said. The John Street intersection, which was
addressed in the public hearing, will eventually warrant a four-way stop.
Moving past the access issue, Schillinger said he opposes R-4 zoning on the property. If
that zoning is approved at all, it would have to be located near the jail. He doesn't want to
see it further south on the property.
Bill McCue said that even with an R-4 zoning, they would stay within the density of 2.25
units per acre. The intent is to provide age-targeted housing where people want smaller
lots. Ingmunson added that the villa lots would be really nice.
Ingmunson said the request has not yet gone to the Planning Council. Crouch said
without information from the Planning Council and without engineering notes, he doesn't
feel ready to vote. Ingmunson, however, said he'd like for the commission to vote rather
than table the request.
Crouch made a motion to recommend approval for annexation of PC 2005-08 as
requested. Schillinger seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a
roll call vote. Holdiman, Davis, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch, Kraupner and Lucietto voted
yes.
Crouch then made a motion to recommend approval of the rezoning request for PC 2005-
08 from agricultural to R-2 and R-4 PUD. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was
defeated in a 5-2 vote. Davis, Schillinger, Crouch, Kraupner and Lucietto voted no. Jones
and Holdiman voted yes.
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3. PC 2005-08 Blackberry Woods—Planned Unit Development
Lucietto said this request was merged into the previous request.
4. PC 2005-14 Robert and Debra Dearborn, petition to rezone
Schoppe said the city's comprehensive plan shows the property in the traditional
neighborhood area. Mayor Prochaska said that the downtown revitalization plan shows
for this area to be a combination of commercial and residential.
On this particular parcel, Robert Dearborn said the plan is to erect a building to house a
commercial use on the first floor and three to four apartments on the second floor. A
rendering of the proposed building shows an all brick building that could house up to
three commercial uses or one user could use all three designated spaces, Dearborn said.
Lucietto asked if the developer could make all sides of the building look nice.
Crouch said someone at the public hearing asked if the zoning request is approved, could
it start a domino effect. Mayor Prochaska said it could. As properties sell over time, they
could be rezoned commercial.
Davis said he'd like to make sure the building shown is close to what is actually built.
Mayor Prochaska said the commission could ensure that happens by calling for an
agreement s part of the zoning change.
Davis made a motion to recommend approval for rezoning as requested in PC 2005-14
subject to the negotiation of a development agreement. Schillinger seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Schillinger, Jones, Crouch,
Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis and Lucietto voted yes.
5. PC 2005-15 Robert and Debra Dearborn petition to rezone
Dearborn said this request is to rezone the existing house for eventual commercial use.
For now,he intends for the residence to remain a residential use.
Crouch made a motion to recommend approval for rezoning as requested in PC 2005-15
subject to design standards and a development agreement. Jones seconded the motion.
Jones, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis, Schillinger and Lucietto voted yes.
6. PC 2005-03 Aspen Ridge—Preliminary Plan
David Meek, attorney representing the petitioner, said the plan has been modified based
on comments from the Plan Commission at the concept phase. The roadway system
remained the same,but the detention ponds were moved and the park in the center will be
dedicated to the city.
Schoppe said there are a few issues the Plan Commissioners should ponder before voting.
One important item to consider is that this is the first project south of the river based on
the new comprehensive plan.
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The proposed development is located in the estate area, which as a base density of 1.5
units per acre. The density could increase to 1.75 units if the project goes above and
beyond normal requirements. In this project, a density of 1.72 units per acre has been
proposed.
Meek said the density credit explanation found on the preliminary plat addresses the
principles outlined in the comprehensive plan. Also, the preliminary plat lists a summary
of other specific improvement the developer is providing.
For instance, Principle 5 states that the developer must provide a sense of architectural
interest and unique identity. In response to that principle, the developer has promised to
comply and exceed any requirements set forth by the city's architectural appearance
code. Crouch wondered how the developer could guarantee it will exceed the standards.
Meek said that the builders would have to evidence that they will indeed exceed the
standards. Crouch said the word"exceed"is the problem. He questioned how the
developer could say it will exceed and comply.
Lucietto said the Plan Commission rejected the proposal in February and asked what has
changed since then. Mayor Prochaska said the City Council voted in favor of it.
However,before any permits are allowed, the Fox Road study has to be completed.
Whitehouse said the last time the issue was before the Plan Commission, Plan
Commissioners wanted it to be a PUD. The City Council, however, decided it could
proceed as an annexation provided it is accompanied by an annexation agreement. All of
the issues and concerns from city staff and the Plan Commission could be addressed in an
annexation agreement, he said.
The council wanted to do it as an annexation agreement because the project will set a
precedent in the area, Whitehouse said.
Schoppe said the developers have done a good job addressing Plan Council issues. The
issue now is whether the developers exceed the minimum requirements enough to justify
the higher density.
Crouch said he has a difficult time seeing how the 10 principles are quantitative. They're
hard to interpret as to whether the additional 30 lots are justified. Schoppe suggested
focusing on two components—does the plan adhere to the design guidelines and does it
exceed city standards. The exceeding part is more black and white because anything
above the minimum requirement exceeds it. Determining if the design guidelines are
exceeded is more nebulous, he said.
Meeks pointed out that while he intends to leave most of the technical details to the
engineers, there are numerous points that meet or exceed the city's standards. He said, for
instance, the developers intend to put in a bike trail; they increased some of the lot widths
so that they're more compatible to adjacent property owners and they are keeping the
treeline along Pavilion Road. Also, the developers are putting up fencerows,putting in
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elaborate landscaping and are helping to pay for the water main extension and sanitary
improvements.
Jones said he'd like for the developers to draft a list detailing where they believe they
have surpassed standards. Davis agreed saying that the summary list provided on the plat
is too vague.
Crouch made a motion to recommend the preliminary plan for PC 2005-03 subject to
staff comments and careful adherence to the test for higher density outlined in the
comprehensive plan and to try to get more funding for the school district. Jones seconded
the motion. The motion was approved 6-1 in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Davis,
Schillinger, Jones, Crouch and Lucietto voted yes. Holdiman voted no.
7. PC 2005-18 Del Webb/Pulte Homes—Garritano/Brummel Concept Plan
Matt Cudny introduced the plan for the subdivision. Cudny said Del Webb stands for
lifestyle and value and the subdivision planned is for an age-restricted community.
The proposal calls for a density of 3.3 units per acre in that subdivision. On the other
side, where typical single-family housing is proposed, the density would be 1.75 units per
acre, which falls within the comprehensive plan,he said.
On the Del Webb site, the lot sizes would be 5,500 to 7,500 square feet. While Lucietto
commented that the community is short on housing for adults, Jones said he would like to
see how the developer makes the smaller lot sizes work.
Cudny said the homes on the lots are typically 1,200 to 1,600 square foot homes and the
average population per home is 1.7 to 1.8 people. He added that the planned community
would be similar to the Del Webb communities in Shorewood and Huntley.
When Crouch commented that the city has never approved lots as small as 5,500 square
feet, Cudny said this concept is completely different than anything the city has seen
before.
Upon completion of the presentation, Jones made a motion to adjourn. Kraupner
seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
The meeting adjourned at 10:24 p.m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting
of the above-entitled matter taken before
CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, C . S . R . , on May 11 , 2005 , at
the hour of 7 : 00 p . m. , at 800 Game Farm Road, in
the City of Yorkville , Illinois .
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1 PRESENT :
2 MS . ANNE LUCIETTO, Acting Chairman;
3 MR . CLARENCE HOLDIMAN;
4 MR . BILL DAVIS ;
5 MR. CHARLES KRAUPPNER;
6 MR . MICHAEL CROUCH;
7 MR . BRIAN SCHILLINGER;
8 MR . JACK JONES ;
9 MR . MIKE SCHOPPE ;
10 MS . DINA GIPE .
11 APPEARANCES :
12 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK
300 East Fifth Avenue , Suite 380
13 Naperville , Illinois 60563
( 630 ) 355-1458
14 BY: MR. JOHN JUSTIN WYETH,
appeared on behalf of the United
15 City of Yorkville, Illinois .
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1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Now we are going
2 into public hearings . Can I have a motion to
3 open the public hearings ?
4 MR . CROUCH : So moved .
5 MR . HOLDIMAN : Second .
6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So the first
7 public hearing is PC 2004 -18 , Wyndham Deerpoint
8 Homes . I ' m not going to read the whole thing;
9 it ' s on the agenda .
10 AUDIENCE : We can ' t hear you .
11 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank
12 you .
13 AUDIENCE : You are welcome .
14 WHEREUPON :
15 RICHARD GUERARD,
16 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
17 MR . GUERARD : Ready? Good evening,
18 everybody . My name is Rich Guerard and I am a
19 partner with Wyndham Deerpoint Homes , and the
20 project is Wynstone Development , a townhome
21 project that we are proposing .
22 With me today is our project
23 engineer, Jason Wiesbrock, from Jacob & Hefner ,
24 here to answer any questions . We also have our
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1 land planner from Landvision, Dave Waden . Dave
2 is going to make a brief presentation .
3 This is the basic same plan
4 that was in front of the City before , so he ' ll
5 make the presentation and be happy to answer any
6 questions that anyone may have . Thank you .
7 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Do you think
8 maybe we could turn it somehow so everybody in
9 the audience can see it as well?
10 WHEREUPON :
11 DAVID M . WADEN,
12 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
13 MR . WADEN : Good evening . My name
14 is Dave Waden with Landvision . This is the
15 preliminary plan for the Wynstone townhome
16 development .
17 It has been in front of the
18 Commission a few months ago . This plan is
19 reflecting some minor modifications to the
20 overall preliminary plan . It is adjacent to the
21 Fox Highland subdivision just to the east .
22 AUDIENCE : Can ' t hear you . I don ' t
23 know if it ' s on .
24 MR . CROUCH : Is that on?
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1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : No, it doesn ' t
2 sound like it . There you go .
3 MR . WADEN : Dave Waden with
4 Landvision in St . Charles . I ' d just like to give
5 a brief overview of the preliminary plan for the
6 Wynstone townhome development located adjacent to
7 the Fox Highland subdivision and just east of
8 Route 47 .
9 This plan has been in front of
10 the Plan Commission previously a few months ago .
11 This plan does reflect a few modifications based
12 on some Staff requirement or Staff
13 recommendations . I ' d like to give you just a
14 brief run-through on some of those changes and
15 some of the overall data information .
16 The site is roughly 9 . 6 acres
17 in size . It consists of 56 townhome units , a
18 mixture of five-unit buildings and four-unit
19 buildings .
20 We have three access points
21 into the development; one is -- or three points
22 of access , ingress and egress . First one is
23 St . Joseph ' s Way, second one to the north , which
24 would be Walnut Drive , we are looking at stubbing
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1 into Walnut Drive .
2 It is our understanding that
3 the -- or the continuation of the full
4 cross-section or city cross-section would
5 continue to the road stub so that there would be
6 a full connection to Walnut Drive, a third --
7 AUDIENCE : Wait a minute .
8 MR . WADEN : -- access easement ,
9 30-foot access easement located there , and the
10 fourth point for future development is at the
11 southern portion of the project .
12 We have identified this road
13 network system as being a private road network
14 system.
15 There is 32-foot back-to-back
16 pavements within this cross-section . We have
17 utilized the amount of asphalt for some on-street
18 parking spaces .
19 We have shown on-street -- we
20 have shown a total of 50 off-street parking
21 spaces , I ' m sorry, about 15 of them are located
22 adjacent to the park site .
23 We also have off-street parking
24 located on the entrance road from St . Joseph ' s
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1 Way and also closer to the Walnut Drive location .
2 Within the motor courts
3 themselves we have also shown roughly four
4 parking spaces , so once again there is
5 off-street .
6 Then within the development
7 themselves there are two parking spaces within
8 the garage and then two behind the garage , so a
9 total of 224 spaces utilized there as well .
10 In the previous preliminary
11 plan we showed a wet detention basin in the
12 southeast corner of the project . We have now
13 converted that to a dry detention basin . It ' s
14 become a half acre high with a dry park site
15 adjacent to the detention basins .
16 The neat thing about this , it
17 could be utilized right now when there is some
18 inundation of water . We still have the half-acre
19 high and dry park facility . Maybe a gazebo could
20 be placed that ' s permanently dry for the whole
21 season .
22 When there is no rain , that
23 half acre could be almost converted into a one
24 and three quarter acre facility for the use of
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1 throwing a baseball , maybe a small pick-up soccer
2 game , so on and so on .
3 So we have made some
4 modifications to the plan with the park system
5 themselves .
6 So the changes themselves ,
7 those are really the major changes we have dealt
8 with with the previous preliminary plan .
9 The data, again, it ' s 9 . 6 acres
10 in size for the site , 56 units . We have 50
11 off-street parking spaces and 224 additional
12 parking spaces within the garage and behind the
13 garages themselves .
14 We have landscape plans that
15 were done by Gary Weber, we can talk about those
16 if there are any questions , and we also have
17 Jason Wiesbrock from Jacob & Hefner to answer any
18 questions that you may have . So that ' s a brief
19 overview .
20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . If there
21 is anyone in the audience here who would like to
22 ask some questions or have any concerns , feel
23 free to speak to them. One second .
24 The only thing I 'm going to ask
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1 is that we don ' t repeat ourselves because we do
2 have four of these tonight , and we just want to
3 make sure that you get your point across and we
4 will have it recorded by the court reporter .
5 The other thing we ' re going to
6 ask, too, is that you don ' t talk at the same time
7 because it ' s very difficult for her to take
8 things word-for-word when you do that .
9 Ma ' am, if you want to go first .
10 Why don ' t you come here and use the mic so we can
11 all hear you? You need to state your name and
12 where you live , too .
13 WHEREUPON :
14 SARA FISHER,
15 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
16 MS . FISHER : My name is Sara Fisher,
17 and I live at 30 Walnut Drive , which is the house
18 that is pictured on the right-hand side of Walnut
19 Drive . Yes .
20 And looking at the way the
21 entrance is , actually they ' re taking Walnut
22 Drive , which is part of our driveway which we
23 own , and they ' re going to have to build more road
24 in order to have a road on Walnut Drive .
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1 We own part of that , and I can
2 show you our plans , and that is what we ' re
3 objecting to .
4 In fact , the bump-out that is
5 on our side of the road is owned by us , and part
6 of the whole drive that goes down in is owned by
7 us .
8 We ' re saying that -- Having had
9 a discussion with Tony Graff earlier this week,
10 he is talking about knocking down some trees and
11 putting some brick in and making a temporary
12 emergency entrance, and he would have to knock
13 down a lot of trees in order not -- for them not
14 to be driving on our property . And a fire truck
15 would never make a turn into there .
16 Besides that , from the
17 beginning of our property until the woods that
18 you see that starts the entrance into theirs is
19 not really a township road, it was built by the
20 person who built our house, and nothing heavier
21 than a car can drive on that without going
22 through . It ' s just gravel with some -- a little
23 blacktop coating on it .
24 We are objecting to the fact
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1 that even an emergency entrance will create and
2 disrupt our life as it is today .
3 And we realize that those
4 properties are going to go in there ; our problem
5 is that we don ' t want to make that , Walnut Drive ,
6 an entrance , even an emergency entrance , because
7 lots of changes would have to be made .
8 And we had the land surveyed to
9 purchase it , and it was still our intention to do
10 that when it was bought and this development was
I1 decided .
12 We had it surveyed actually
13 last summer by the township . That ' s a township
14 road .
15 You have a letter in your
16 ' packet I believe from Richard and Lydia
17 Marciniak, who are our neighbors , who expressed
18 their interest in this and their thoughts about
19 it . Please read those , too .
20 And I think that ' s all I have
21 to say . Anybody have any questions?
22 (No response )
23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank
24 you . Is there anyone else? Go ahead, sir .
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1 Name , please .
2 WHEREUPON :
3 WAYNE ROBERTS ,
4 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
5 MR . ROBERTS : Wayne Roberts .
6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . And
7 you live?
8 MR . ROBERTS : 2044 Muirfield
9 Drive --
10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
11 MR . ROBERTS : -- which is adjacent
12 primarily to this development they are planning
13 on .
14 My question is this . St .
15 Joseph ' s Way is a private road . Now, many of the
16 people in there will be driving -- and I ' m sure
17 going down St . Joseph ' s and onto Muirfield and
18 the other exit to get out onto 71 .
19 It ' s going to be a lot of
20 traffic on a private road that we have to take
21 care of .
22 My question is , is there
23 anything in the planning by the developer to
24 cover those costs for the development and upkeep
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1 of that road, St . Joseph ' s Way? That ' s all I
2 have .
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you answer
4 that ?
5 MR . GUERARD : I can -- Maybe I can
6 answer that , a couple things on the road . Sir,
7 make sure I know which road you are talking
8 about, you are talking --
9 MS . FISHER : No .
10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : St . Joseph ' s
11 Way .
12 MR . GUERARD : Let me address both
13 roads . Shall I do it now or --
14 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Please do .
15 MR . GUERARD : All right . Once
16 again, my name is Rich Guerard . Let me pass out
17 some of these . I ' m not sure if they ' re -- This
18 will help explain it a little bit . Is anyone
19 else on Walnut here?
20 The first one I will address ,
21 Walnut Drive, we just discussed . We had a full
22 survey done of this property, which I have with
23 me up here , but what I am showing you is the
24 exhibit -- what I have passed out is an exhibit,
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1 just that house showing the road there, and that
2 is a township road . It ' s a 60- foot public
3 right-of-way . It ' s a street , dedicated street ,
4 that dead ends into our property .
5 It ' s the only dedicated street
6 that has access to this piece of property right
7 now . It ' s the only public street . And obviously
8 it dead ends at the property for a reason .
9 What that shows you is the
10 distance of the house from the street where it
I1 is , so that ' s actually from the right-of-way, so
12 her house itself, one corner , is 43 feet from the
13 right-of-way, and the other portion of it is 59
14 feet . The actual pavement is about 30 feet .
15 It ' s another 15 feet in .
16 So as far as parking and that
17 type of thing, there is plenty of room. From the
18 right-of-way, it ' s a 40-some foot setback .
19 Certainly what she is saying is
20 correct , the fact that there would have to be a
21 physical street put here , and we are going to be
22 required to be upgrading this road that goes on
23 out as part of our project, so -- and, you know,
24 that is a township road, so there is not much
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1 else I can say about that other than it ' s a
2 dedicated township road, it always has been, and
3 it ' s the only right-of-way to this property that
4 is dedicated .
5 Then to answer the one as to
6 the private drive, there is the townhome project
7 next to us , and I think there is a letter in the
8 packet from Lennar representing the group, and I
9 had talked to her this afternoon .
10 What she has said is this is a
11 private road, just as the gentleman said, that
12 she believes this is a private road, and that
13 there is no current agreements for a cross
14 easement or a cautionary arrangement , and I think
15 that still has to be researched as to what that
16 issue is or isn ' t .
17 One of the things -- It clearly
18 was intended to stub and to go in here , and at
19 one time -- in fact , that road was actually built
20 that goes into the property .
21 Nevertheless , if it is a
22 private existing road, then that ' s an issue that
23 would have to be dealt with, and maybe it could
24 only become an emergency access if some other
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1 issue can ' t be worked out .
2 What ' s unusual about that is we
3 developed the project on the other side of it ,
4 which is Raintree, and this project stubs into
5 our project and goes through it , so all this
6 traffic goes through our project, you know, but
7 that is a public street and that was planned for ,
8 so I don ' t think we have the answer to that ,
9 except that we have contacted, and the person
10 that we contacted believes that ' s a private road .
I1 And so -- And when we were in
12 the Planning Commission before , one of the
13 changes that has been made here is the additional
14 stubbing .
15 They requested a stub go to the
16 south so there could be an eventual connection
17 when the property to the south develops , and
18 you ' ll also see to the west there is an access
19 easement and right-of-way .
20 The purpose of that is so that
21 access can be built out to 47 when this parcel
22 develops , so there is going to be multiple
23 different accesses out of the property .
24 And I think what the lady had
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1 said is that Tony Graff had talked to her about
2 the fact that this could become an emergency
3 access when one of these is put in place as these
4 properties develop .
5 I wasn ' t involved in that
6 conversation, but I believe --
7 MS . FISHER : Is that what your
8 intention is ?
9 MR . GUERARD : Yes .
10 MS . FISHER : That that would just be
11 an emergency or --
12 MR . GUERARD : Well , I think that
13 would be up to the City and the Planning
14 Commission .
15 MS . FISHER : It ' s a township road .
16 MR . GUERARD : Yes . That ' s true , but
17 I ' m saying that ' s not my decision to make ,
18 and -- but certainly one of these accesses would
19 have to be built when these two properties
20 develop in order to do that , because as I ' ve
21 said, right now this is the only dedicated
22 right-of-way .
23 MS . FISHER : So, in other words , you
24 are going to take your construction equipment in
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1 that way, down Walnut Drive?
2 MR . GUERARD : Yes , that ' s probably
3 true . There is no other way to get it there . I
4 mean --
5 MS . FISHER : So you have to build
6 Walnut -- you have to build the road --
7 MR . GUERARD : That ' s correct .
8 MS . FISHER : -- in order to put it
9 in there right in front of our house .
10 MR . GUERARD : That ' s true .
11 MS . FISHER : That ' s not what was
12 explained to us in the beginning .
13 MR . GUERARD : Certainly not by me .
14 MS . FISHER : No, it wasn ' t . It was
15 explained that this would be an emergency
16 entrance only and that the main entrance would
17 be the -- what you consider the private drive off
18 of St . Joseph .
19 MR . GUERARD : Well , and certainly
20 that was the -- I mean, I agree the original
21 intent was for that to be the case because , you
22 know, that road is physically here . It ' s built .
23 MS . FISHER : Uh-huh . It is , into
24 the woods .
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1 MR . GUERARD : But if access isn ' t
2 allowedthere , then what ' s the answer? I don ' t
3 know, you know .
4 So I believe that ' s the best
5 answer that I can give regarding the questions
6 right now . That ' s the best information I have
7 today .
8 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is
9 there anyone else? Yes , sir .
10 WHEREUPON :
11 GLENN KLEEFISCH,
12 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
13 MR . KLEEFISCH : I don ' t know what
14 the answer is .
15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Name , address .
16 MR . KLEEFISCH : Glenn Kleefisch, 8
17 Walnut Drive .
18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
19 MR . KLEEFISCH : I don ' t know what
20 the answer is honestly, to tell you the truth,
21 but I just don ' t want it to be Walnut Drive .
22 MR . GUERARD : I understand .
23 MR . KLEEFISCH : Very simple .
24 WHEREUPON :
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1 LOUISE KLEEFISCH,
2 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
3 MS . KLEEFISCH : Louise Kleefisch, 8
4 Walnut Drive . I am his mom. When this happens ,
5 what about all this traffic coming down? You
6 know, there are people, too, there are homes ,
7 they do work, there are children there , there are
8 grandchildren there .
9 If there is a lot of traffic
10 coming down . What ' s going to -- I mean, I mean,
11 people have to sleep, too . I don ' t know .
12 A lot happened when they did
13 Orchard Road . We had a lot of that traffic when
14 they put that in coming down 71 . I mean , it ' s so
15 unbelievable , you know, how noisy it can be .
16 I mean, we ' ll just have to stay
17 up 24 hours I guess . I don ' t know . There ' s
18 going to be a lot of traffic . I don ' t know if
19 that ' s going to end up as an emergency .
20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : There was a man
21 here who wanted to talk .
22 WHEREUPON :
23 RICHARD ALLEN,
24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
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1 MR . ALLEN : My name is Richard
2 Allen, I live at 2095 Muirfield Drive , which is
3 on the other side of the street closest to the
4 subdivision .
5 I am probably the most impacted
6 in terms of my -- the visibility of the
7 subdivision . I am immediately to the northeast
8 of the top right building there , and I am also
9 adjacent to St . Joseph ' s Drive , although I ' m set
10 back about 40 feet I think probably from
11 St . Joseph ' s Way .
12 My concern is that there is
13 going to be a lot of traffic on St . Joseph ' s Way,
14 and I don ' t see the way out of this dilemma
15 except probably corporate lawyers are going to
16 get together and work out an agreement whereby
17 St . Joseph ' s Way is no longer a private drive I
18 am supposing .
19 I am hoping that ' s not the
20 case , and the reason that ' s so is because I have
21 children that play in that area , and when we
22 bought the property, we knew that these two
23 drives , St . Joseph ' s Way, which is the connection
24 going into the Wynstone development , and
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1 Muirfield Drive , which is perpendicular to that
2 and goes off to the north , these two roads are
3 the obvious way that somebody coming out of the
4 subdivision that ' s planned would use to get to
5 work probably via Route 71 .
6 So they ' re either going to
7 continue on St . Joseph ' s Way and then turn left
8 on Village View, or they ' re going to go out
9 St . Joseph ' s Way, make a left turn onto Muirfield
10 Drive .
11 Now, both of those roads are
12 private roads , which to me mean that they --
13 first of all, they have -- we have the
14 expectation of privacy by them being a private
15 road .
16 When we bought , it was with the
17 expectation that that would be a place where
18 there would be a road with a small volume of
19 traffic and our children could play there
20 safely .
21 I don ' t see -- My last
22 understanding is talking to the Lennar people ,
23 and also I also talked to some of the Wynstone
24 people , was that I thought they implied that
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1 Walnut Street would be the logical principal
2 entrance because it connects only after about 50
3 feet , or maybe a hundred feet I think, to
4 Route 71 .
5 MS . FISHER : Oh, no , and then say
6 five acres .
7 MR . ALLEN : I understand their
8 objection , I wouldn ' t want it either, but what I
9 mean is their main street through that
10 subdivision aligns with Walnut Street after -- I
11 mean, that ' s probably where people are going to
12 want to go in and out of the subdivision I think .
13 But I can also see that that
14 could wind up being blocked by an objection or by
15 it only being an emergency entrance ; however ,
16 that would leave only at the present time
17 St . Joseph ' s Drive as the way of getting in and
18 out of the subdivision, and I ' m hoping this is
19 not going to be resolved by some corporate
20 lawyers getting together and deciding to , let ' s
21 say, share the costs .
22 All that would be totally
23 objectionable . I would think that would be a
24 minimum requirement because right now we are
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1 paying for the maintenance of those roads .
2 We have to pay to have them
3 plowed in the winter, we have to pay to maintain
4 them, to service them, we will yet have to put
5 the final surfacing on I believe, and, you know,
6 if we have to pay for it , it doesn ' t seem
7 reasonable that another subdivision should have
8 the benefit of going over those roads for the
9 access into the subdivision .
10 I ' m a little bit surprised that
11 they haven ' t made a greater effort to make a
12 major connection out to Route 47 ; however, I have
13 talked to some people who have told me that that
14 might be impractical because there is a big pool
15 of water for one thing right now and they ' d have
16 to level that out .
17 Also, I understand that that ' s
18 commercially zoned, the woods area right there
19 between the subdivision and Route 47 , so they
20 would have to have -- come to some agreement
21 with the corporate interests that own the
22 property .
23 But still to me it seems to be
24 a lot more logical than coming out of there and
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1 then having to go through a network of roads to
2 get up to the major road they are probably
3 wanting to get to most of the time , Route 71 .
4 Again, my major interest in
5 this is because I ' m adjacent to the property, our
6 children play there , you will get a lot more
7 traffic through there , and also , again, that
8 something needs to be done about the cost
9 sharing .
10 I think if I had my druthers ,
11 I ' d druther that it is public roads , at least we
12 wouldn ' t be paying for it . Still I would be
13 dissatisfied because right now it ' s supposed to
14 be private for us . Thank you .
15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is
16 there anyone else?
17 MS . FISHER : May I ? In the morning
18 if I go out and try to get off of Walnut Drive
19 between six and nine o ' clock, I have to sit there
20 for at least ten minutes and take my life in my
21 hands when I pull out because of the traffic, and
22 it takes me at least 20 minutes to get to
23 Route 26 -- 126 , and that ' s how bad the traffic
24 is past Walnut Drive , between 47 -- off of 47 and
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1 - 71 there, and it is just horrendous trying to get
2 out during those times , and I can ' t imagine what
3 it would be like if you ' re going to have more
4 traffic going out of Walnut Drive .
5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank
6 you . We have a very long list , I ' m going to
7 quickly go through it just to make sure that we
8 have touched on everything and possibly we can
9 move on .
10 We talked about Walnut Street,
11 which is a private gravel road with no base --
12 gravel base, we have talked about fire trucks not
13 being able to turn, we have talked about knocking
14 down trees , ownership of Walnut Road, people not
15 wanting to use it as an entrance of any kind, we
16 mentioned the letter from the Marciniaks , which I
17 believe is entered into the minutes , St . Joseph ' s
18 Way is a private road, we ' re worried about
19 traffic and children, there ' s going to be a lot
20 of traffic on St . Joseph ' s Way, people that have
21 moved there expected privacy and a small number
•
22 of cars , and we just discussed the level of
23 traffic in the area . I believe we have -- That ' s
24 an exhaustive list . Okay .
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1 If no one has -- Yes , sir .
2 MR . ALLEN : I just wanted -- There
3 is a dashed line around the St . Joseph ' s Way area
4 there . I am wondering what that implies .
5 MR . WADEN : It ' s just a detail
6 showing the monument entrance of the -- coming
7 into -- the plantings and so forth that would be
8 there . It ' s just depicting that there is a
9 detail on this sheet , so that ' s what was proposed
10 for planting and vegetation .
11 MR . ALLEN : What are the green
12 things there?
13 MR . WADEN : These? Trees .
14 MR . ALLEN : Oh, trees . Is there
15 going to have to be any widening of St . Joseph ' s
16 Way if they do make that an access ?
17 MR . WADEN : Our road will be 32 feet
18 back .
19 MR . ALLEN : With the same roads ?
20 MR . WADEN : Currently? Currently, I
21 don ' t know .
22 MR . ALLEN : I think it ' s 25 feet .
23 I ' m not certain . Is that a problem? Does that
24 have to be widened?
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1 MR . GUERARD : I am sure we will not
2 be widening the roads in the existing townhome
3 subdivision . They would be matched. The
4 engineering would require that .
5 MR . WHITEHOUSE : The plan shows it
6 at 29 feet wide at the property line and widening
7 out to 32 on your plan . That ' s what it shows , so
8 the assumption would be it ' s 29 feet wide as it
9 exists .
10 MR . ALLEN : Also they show at least
11 on the plan that I had a connection to an
12 existing sidewalk going up to Muirfield Court .
13 I don ' t think there is any
14 sidewalk planned, though, there , so a sidewalk
15 would probably terminate at the line, I believe .
16 I mean , unless Lennar is going to install a
17 sidewalk later , but right now the way the
18 buildings are laid out , there is no room for the
19 sidewalk .
20 MR . GUERARD : There is preliminary
21 engineering, much more detailed engineering, and
22 studies would be prepared before they -- before
23 we would go to the next step, so maybe that ' s
24 correct , maybe that will be adjusted . But this
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1 is a preliminary look at this time .
2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : I think we
3 have -- Sounds like we have addressed all the
4 concerns .
5 Do we have a motion to close
6 this public hearing and move on to the next?
7 MR . JONES : So moved .
8 MR . DAVIS : Second .
9 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : All in favor say
10 aye .
11 (A Chorus of Ayes )
12 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Not in favor,
13 nay?
14 (No Response )
15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : The next one . I
16 need a motion for the next one .
17 MR . KRAUPPNER : For a public
18 hearing, I move .
19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So moved . The
20 next public hearing is PC 2005-08 , McCue Builders
21 and Youth Camp Association of District 12 and 13 ,
22 Polish National Alliance of the United States of
23 America .
24 Do I have a motion to open
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1 that?
2 MR. CROUCH : So moved.
3 MR . JONES : Second .
4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Any time you are
5 ready .
6 WHEREUPON :
7 GREGG INGEMUNSON,
8 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
9 MR. INGEMUNSON : Okay . Gregg
10 Ingemunson on behalf of petitioner . How are you
11 guys doing? Good so far , right?
12 MR . SCHILLINGER : Tired .
13 MR . INGEMUNSON : I ' ll get to it
14 quickly . What we are planning on doing here , we
15 have 60 acres just south of the jail and we ' d
16 like to rezone it .
17 We have 83 lots on the western
18 edge, which would be south of the jail , we ' d like
19 to rezone R-4 , and 52 lots -- or, excuse me , 53
20 lots and maybe two lots to the west , 52 lots of
21 single-family R-2 to the east , with a 4 . 41 acre
22 park in the southeastern corner, which is --
23 Blackberry Creek runs just barely in the tip of
24 the corner here .
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1 So we think it would be -- make
2 sense for a transitional type zoning over here
3 because it ' s just south of the jail , with the
4 jail expansion and what not .
5 To the west is -- Right now
6 it ' s undeveloped, but there is word that there ' s
7 going to be possibly townhouses to the west , the
8 McCavo (phonetic ) property .
9 The lots on the western edge
10 there , what we ' d like to do -- I think in your
I1 packet -- I hope you guys all got a packet . You
12 guys got a packet with elevations and --
13 MR . CROUCH : We did .
14 MR . INGEMUNSON : Okay, good . What
15 we would like to do is an age-targeted
16 development where we have upscale villas priced
17 about 275 , 000 to 325 , with lots running a minimum
18 ' of 8400 up to 12 , 000 square feet, which would be
19 essentially upscale for an age targeted, older
20 people , they would like to go in with less yard,
21 yard maintenance , and a nicer home .
22 And we have two wet detention
23 ponds , and we also have proposed a passive park,
24 which we have some photographs here, and we have
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1 a front called a wood portico, which your guess
2 is as good as mine what that actually is , it ' s a
3 word I just learned tonight , but it actually
4 comes in the front here .
5 You can see this section of the
6 park here , the front area , it ' s like a
7 gazebo-type entranceway, and there would be a
8 walking path and a park area that we think would
9 be attractive given all the mature trees and the
10 nice area of the park, keep it in there in a
11 passive nature .
12 Does anyone have any questions ?
13 (No response )
14 MR . SCHILLINGER : Anybody in the
15 audience?
16 (No Response )
17 MR . INGEMUNSON : That ' s too easy .
18 You have to have some questions out there , don ' t
19 you? I spoke too soon .
20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : He is ready .
21 WHEREUPON :
22 BOB MANDERNACK,
23 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
24 MR. MANDERNACK : My name is Bob
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1 Mandernack, 1343 Cannonball , 45 feet away from
2 the fence .
3 MR . INGEMUNSON : Which fence?
4 MR . MANDERNACK : Up at the upper
5 right-hand corner .
6 MR . INGEMUNSON : Right here , this
7 one ?
8 MR . MANDERNACK : My house is on the
9 west side of Cannonball .
10 MR . INGEMUNSON : Okay .
I1 MR . MANDERNACK : The last house on
12 Cannonball . What I can ' t understand is how we ' re
13 going to handle 130 odd families in addition to
14 the 50 odd that live there now, and all of the
15 courthouse traffic and the health department
16 traffic and the police department traffic and the
17 jail supply and pick up and all the businesses at
18 the corner of Cannonball and John, when right now
19 it ' s a joke .
20 It has yield signs up on it
21 that people don ' t understand . The traffic is
22 going to be obscene . All of this stuff will have
23 to be built , which means all the infrastructure
24 has to come down that road . I see no
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1 construction road anywhere .
2 And I can ' t believe that you ' d
3 stub one off the west end and not run it over to
4 34 so that you could get stuff in and out , and
5 not carry it down the road that all this traffic
6 is on .
7 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , if I could
8 respond to that . We can ' t run it to 34 because
9 the jail is there . There ' s no -- We can ' t
10 run --
11 MR . MANDERNACK : You go off that
12 stub, yeah .
13 MR . INGEMUNSON : This stub here .
14 MR . MANDERNACK : Yeah .
15 MR . INGEMUNSON : I think it ' s
16 anticipated --
17 MR . MANDERNACK : It ' s a farm.
18 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , no , I know,
19 but I think it ' s anticipated that the Beecher
20 Road is going to come down here and a lot of this
21 traffic is going to go the west , catch a road,
22 and go up 34 .
23 MR . MANDERNACK : Not for years , you
24 know that . When you are building this , it ' s
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1 going to be a circus , if somebody doesn ' t get
2 killed, then it won ' t be so funny .
3 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , I don ' t know
4 if people are going to get killed here . I mean,
5 that ' s a little bit of a stretch, don ' t you
6 think?
7 MR . MANDERNACK : Okay . That corner
8 is going to be a humdinger .
9 MR . INGEMUNSON : I know that , I
10 drive that all the time . That yield sign is
11 pretty simple to understand . I drive that all
12 the time because I go to court there quite a bit ,
13 so I know --
14 MR . MANDERNACK : Lots of people do ,
15 don ' t they? You bet . They go there --
16 MR . INGEMUNSON : I go to court
17 there . That yield sign, it says yield, so what
18 do you do when a yield sign says yield?
19 MR . MANDERNACK : You say there is
20 nothing wrong , so there is nothing wrong . That ' s
21 all .
22 MR . INGEMUNSON : I just responding
23 to your allegation, that ' s all .
24 MS . GATES : Will there be just one
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1 road into this subdivision?
2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Ma ' am, ma ' am,
3 could you state your name , please? Thank you .
4 WHEREUPON :
5 FAYE GATES,
6 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
7 MS . GATES : Faye Gates , and I live
8 on Cannonball . We are concerned that there is
9 going to be only one road in, which means
10 Cannonball , right?
11 MR . INGEMUNSON : It ' s not going to
12 stay that way .
13 MS . GATES : Beg your pardon?
14 MR. INGEMUNSON : It won ' t stay that
15 way .
16 MS . GATES : Are you coming in off of
17 River Road?
18 MR. INGEMUNSON : There is a road
19 here , stubbed there , and also River Road stubbed
20 there .
21 MS . GATES : Will you do that right
22 away or is this like --
23 MR . INGEMUNSON : We can ' t control
24 that because those aren ' t our properties . We can
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1 stub them in so when they do develop, there will
2 be access from Boulder Road as well as Beecher
3 Road goes over here up to 34 , so we will have
4 that prepared for the future .
5 MS . GATES : Now, will all this
6 construction equipment come in off from
7 Cannonball ?
8 MR . INGEMUNSON : It depends on when
9 the property gets developed, it depends on when
10 the housing gets developed and also depends on
11 when the other things develop .
12 Well , then it is obviously
13 foreseeable that they could come down this
14 direction, but your guess is as good as mine
15 there . I don ' t know the answer .
16 MS . GATES : I think you ' re unaware
17 of all the serious accidents we ' ve already got
18 right on the corner 34 and Cannonball . If you
19 are talking about all these new people , it ' s
20 unbelievable .
21 MR . INGEMUNSON : There is a stop
22 light there .
23 MS . GATES : It doesn ' t seem to
24 matter . Now, if you tear up Cannonball getting
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1 your construction equipment in, who is going to
2 be responsible for repairing it?
3 MR . INGEMUNSON : How do you say tear
4 it up? How would you tear up a road? It ' s a
5 built road .
6 MS . GATES : These are going to be
7 huge trucks and everything going in there .
8 MR . INGEMUNSON : Apparently those
9 trucks go on other roads . Are you saying trucks
10 are -- this is going to be the only time trucks
11 go over roads and destroy them?
12 WHEREUPON :
13 SEAN MICHAELS ,
14 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
15 MR. MICHAELS : Could I address your
16 concern about the traffic? Because there is a
17 perception that there is a lot of heavy equipment
18 in the traffic .
19 The excavator we use is one
20 backhoe -- I am Sean Michaels with McCue .
21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
22 MR . MICHAELS : Sean Michaels . There
23 is one backhoe that usually comes in when we
24 build foundations and then we have cement trucks
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1 and they have weight limits on the roads , and
2 then typically once a foundation is poured and
3 it ' s been backfilled, it ' s a pickup truck and
4 some cars .
5 MS . GATES : Cement trucks .
6 MR . MICHAELS : Well , they had to
7 come in for your house and other houses around
8 there , but it ' s not too often that they come in,
9 and, again, they meet the weight limits posted by
10 the city .
11 MS . GATES : Now, you are not going
12 to use like what I call the River Road at all ?
13 MR . INGEMUNSON : It doesn ' t get
14 there yet . We can ' t get to River Road yet
15 because we don ' t go all the way down to River
16 Road .
17 MR . MICHAELS : Maybe show them the
18 aerial .
19 MR . MANDERNACK : Also --
20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Hold on . Hold
21 on . One at a time , please .
22 MR . INGEMUNSON : The jail is over
23 here and the 60 acres on the north edge of the
24 PNA camp , River Road is down here , south of this
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1 aerial .
2 MS . GATES : See , that wouldn ' t help
3 with all that congestion . People could come in
4 off of River Road rather than always Cannonball .
5 MR . INGEMUNSON : I really think this
6 is going to be developed faster than to the
7 south .
8 MS . GATES : Do you think all this
9 traffic will yield to the sheriffs and --
10 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , there is
11 yield signs there . I mean, they are supposed to,
12 right?
13 MR . SCHILLINGER : It ' s the law .
14 MS . GATES : It ' s the law, but it
15 doesn ' t happen on this corner, believe me .
16 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Have we
17 addressed all of your concerns at this point?
18 MS . GATES : Okay .
19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank
20 you .
21 MR . MANDERNACK : If he says all of
22 this traffic is a handful of pickup trucks , you
23 and I know it ' s a joke . Every brick in that
24 thing has to be carried in on a truck, all of the
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1 cement , 20-yard trucks , have to come in on
2 trucks . The trusses come in on trucks .
3 MR . MICHAELS : We have three
4 deliveries of wood .
5 MR . MANDERNACK : We have seen
6 buildings built .
7 MR . MICHAELS : Okay . I don ' t want
8 to argue with you, I am just telling you .
9 MR . MANDERNACK : That ' s what I am
10 talking about and you know what I am talking
11 about .
12 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . It sounds
13 like the issues that we have -- Yes , sir . Name
14 and --
15 MR . MANDERNACK : It sounds like
16 someone should consider a construction road that
17 is either properly leased and torn up afterwards
18 or bought .
19 MR . CROUCH : Sir, we have heard your
20 concern .
21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Please .
22 WHEREUPON :
23 RICHARD BRUMMEL,
24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
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1 MR . BRUMMEL : I am the adjoining
2 property .
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Your name , sir?
4 MR . BRUMMEL : Richard Brummel .
5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
6 MR . BRUMMEL : I am on Independence .
7 You are bordering the property .
8 MR . INGEMUNSON : Is this
9 Independence right here?
10 MR . BRUMMEL : Yes , it is , and right
11 here , and I border right here . Adjoining
12 property .
13 What are you going to do with
14 this ?
15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you share
16 the question? Share the --
17 MR . CROUCH : Gentlemen, we can ' t
18 understand what you are talking about .
19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Could you share
20 the question?
21 MR . BRUMMEL : He was showing me the
22 map . I ' m sorry .
23 MR . INGEMUNSON : Show us where you
24 live .
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1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : No, that ' s fine .
2 Show us where you live and what your concern is .
3 MR . BRUMMEL : I am the adjoining
4 property right here --
5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay .
6 MR . BRUMMEL : -- and the concern,
7 they are going to put a berm in here or what are
8 you trying to do? I want to know how many units
9 you are putting in .
10 MR . INGEMUNSON : 53 in the R-2 and
11 82 in the R-4 .
12 MR . BRUMMEL : And you are going to
13 serve all that with one entrance?
14 MR . INGEMUNSON : At the beginning .
15 MR . BRUMMEL : No , wait a second . At
16 the beginning, you are going to build this with
17 one entrance , right?
18 MR . INGEMUNSON : You have to let me
19 finish . Can I finish now?
20 MR . BRUMMEL : Go ahead .
21 MR . INGEMUNSON : When we begin a
22 project , there will be one entrance . We don ' t
23 know when this entrance will be available . There
24 will be three entrance/exits eventually .
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1 MR. BRUMMEL : It ' s not a one-year
2 project , but a ten-year project?
3 MR . INGEMUNSON : You know, it ' s --
4 What do you think as far as how long the
5 build-out is going to be?
6 MR . McCUE : I would say, you know,
7 90 percent of the property would be done within
8 three to four years , if not earlier . Three years
9 probably .
10 MR . BRUMMEL : In other words , you
11 are going to put all the streets and curbs in?
12 MR . McCUE : All the streets will go
13 in at one time .
14 MR . BRUMMEL : Okay . The poles and
15 loading dirt -- I 'm sorry .
16 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you --
17 MR. BRUMMEL : I ' m sorry . They will
18 be moving dirt , construction and hauling gravel
19 in before you start building a house --
20 MR . McCUE : Yes .
21 MR . BRUMMEL : -- before one house is
22 built .
23 MR . McCUE : Right .
24 MR . BRUMMEL : All of this up here .
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1 MR . McCUE : When the tractors come
2 in, they will sit there basically .
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Excuse me . Can
4 you please state your name?
5 WHEREUPON :
6 BILL McCUE,
7 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
8 MR . McCUE : Bill McCue with McCue
9 Builders .
10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
11 MR . McCUE : I would say we are
12 looking at three months to four months to put all
13 the sewer and streets in, so when the tractors
14 come in, they will come in one time . They will
15 sit there basically until it ' s done . Then there
16 will be gravel brought in before the roads ,
17 but --
18 MR . BRUMMEL : But they will all be
19 serviced from one road?
20 MR . McCUE : Yes .
21 MR . BRUMMEL : The sewer lines , the
22 gas lines , the telephone lines , and the concrete
23 for the streets or blacktop, everything is coming
24 in on one road?
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1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . We have
2 already addressed that issue, not to be rude ,
3 okay?
4 Is there something other than
5 the construction materials coming in on the road
6 that we need to discuss ?
7 MR . BRUMMEL : He didn ' t answer on
8 the berm.
9 MR . INGEMUNSON : There is going to
10 be a berm -- There is not a planned berm on the
11 eastern edge of the plan, but it is planned south
12 of the jail right here .
13 MR . BRUMMEL : What are you planning
14 for here?
15 MR . INGEMUNSON : We ' re not planning
16 a berm there .
17 MR . McCUE : There is nothing going
18 there .
19 MR . INGEMUNSON : Those lots are all
20 pretty deep, so houses probably won ' t be over
21 there .
22 MR . BRUMMEL : Thank you .
23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is
24 there anyone else on this one?
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1 (No Response )
2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can I have a
3 motion to close this public hearing?
4 MR . DAVIS : So moved .
5 MR . JONES : Second .
6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: So moved,
7 second . All in favor?
8 (A Chorus of Ayes )
9 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Opposed?
10 (No Response )
I1 MR . SCHILLINGER : And, before you go
12 to the next one , can I just ask that every month
13 there is public hearings and every month there is
14 new faces . I ' d just like to make sure that
15 everybody knows that there will be more
16 discussion to follow after the public hearing on
17 the same projects --
18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Right . I think
19 that ' s why they came back .
20 MR . SCHILLINGER : -- so it would be
21 in your best interests to stick around .
22 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Absolutely . And
23 the other point I was going to make as well , I
24 don ' t know if you guys have any copies of the
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1 agenda , but basically what they are doing right
2 now, these guys are just looking for annexation
3 and rezoning, and then they ' re going to come back
4 with PUD, and the PUD is something that the City
5 really has to negotiate and work through with
6 them, so it ' s not something that ' s just going
7 to -- It probably will look very different from
8 what you are seeing .
9 MR . INGEMUNSON : I thought that we
10 had a preliminary plat also called up today as
11 well . Tony had said that he already amended that
12 to include the preliminary plat .
13 MR . WHITEHOUSE : It ' s on the
14 agenda .
15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : It doesn ' t say
16 that .
17 MAYOR PROCHASKA : It ' s on the
18 amended agenda .
19 MR . SCHOPPE : Based on the
20 application that they filed, they are asking for
21 . a planned unit development .
22 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Are they? All
23 right .
24 MR. SCHOPPE : So with that planned
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1 unit development , along with that would come the
2 approval of the preliminary plat and other
3 documents that are submitted .
4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . They gave
5 us two agendas , so I am dealing with two .
6 All right . The third one is PC
7 2005-14 , which is Bobby and Debbie Dearborn .
8 They would like to rezone an R-2 one-family
9 residence district lot to B-2 general district .
10 Can we take these two
11 together? They are right next to each other, am
12 I correct?
13 WHEREUPON :
14 BOB PILMER,
15 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
16 MR . PILMER : Right . My name is Bob
17 Pilmer . I am here on behalf of Mr . and Mrs .
18 Dearborn .
19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: One is 201 South
20 Main and the other one is 204 South Hydraulic .
21 Are they the same?
22 MR . PILMER : Well , they are
23 adjoining properties . You can look at the survey
24 in the packet . You can see that one -- one
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1 parcel is at the corner of Hydraulic and Main ,
2 the other parcel fronts on Hydraulic , but has a
3 garage and a driveway entrance off of Main
4 Street , so they are two separate parcels , but
5 they are --
6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Do you want to
7 discuss them separately or take it as two? It ' s
8 up to you .
9 MR . PILMER : It ' s really at the
10 convenience of the board, so whatever is --
11 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Why don ' t we
12 talk about --
13 MR . PILMER : What I was going to say
14 for one I was going to say for both, so --
15 MR . CROUCH : So moved .
16 MR . SCHILLINGER : Second .
17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So we will take
18 2005-14 and 15 together .
19 MR . PILMER : Again, my name is Bob
20 Pilmer . I am here on behalf of Robert and
21 Deborah Dearborn, who own the two parcels of
22 property .
23 This is on, again, the corner
24 of Hydraulic and Main Street , it would be the
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1 southwest corner kind of across from the post
2 office to the north, and I believe it ' s either
3 the Ameritech or SBC building would be to the
4 east , and we are seeking a change in zoning from
5 residential to B-2 , and -- which we believe would
6 be -- there is a variety of zoning in the
7 surrounding area , some B-2 and B-3 , some
8 residential , but we believe that the change in
9 zoning here would be consistent with the
10 surrounding properties , it would be appropriate
11 for the area .
12 In the packet you will notice
13 that the home for Hydraulic would be
14 remaining -- at 204 Hydraulic would be remaining
15 there .
16 There is currently a tenant in
17 the property that would probably continue to be
18 used as rental property .
19 The Main Street property, there
20 was an existing home on there that has been
21 demolished, and the plan is to -- for the
22 development of a -- more of a retail building on
23 that property, which if there is questions about
24 ' that , Mr . Dearborn could address . Any questions
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1 or --
2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : We ' ll address
3 that when we go into our session later, but is
4 there anyone out here that has any questions or
5 issues ?
6 (No response )
7 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Name and
8 address .
9 WHEREUPON :
10 DARRELL BUSCH,
11 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
12 MR . BUSCH : Darrell Busch . I live
13 on Van Emmon . I ' ve got property adjoining it . I
14 was concerned about what kind of business is
15 going to be there , how tall the building will be ,
16 what kind of foot traffic would be there , what
17 about parking .
18 MR . PILMER : Well , and I can show
19 you the sketch here as far as the parking . As
20 far as the type of building, Mr . Dearborn will
21 address that .
22 WHEREUPON :
23 BOB DEARBORN,
24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
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1 MR . DEARBORN : Bob Dearborn . It ' s a
2 two-story, 26 feet on the side and multi-use
3 retail stores on the ground floor, parking in the
4 front, as across the street is . Common building ,
5 masonry . Landscaping goes around, tied around .
6 I think for your back corner , I
7 don ' t think there is a problem. For this
8 building here the garage still stays up , the back
9 corner , and so does the house .
10 MR . BUSCH : So something like that I
11 don ' t have a problem with, but could he after
12 this rezone ? Could it become a gas station?
13 MR . JONES : Not if it ' s under B-2 .
14 MR . SCHOPPE : A gas station is not
15 an allowable use under B-2 , so if they did want
16 to put a gas station down there , they would have
17 to come back to the City and request rezoning to
18 allow that to happen .
19 MR . DEARBORN : It ' s a two-story
20 retail .
21 MR . BUSCH : And then after this is
22 rezoned, is there a good chance that this could
23 just keep going down the block I assume .
24 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Your guess is as
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1 good as ours . There you go . Does anyone else
2 have any other questions ?
3 (No Response )
4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . The --
5 WHEREUPON :
6 RICHARD ROUTER,
7 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
8 MR . ROUTER : Yes . Richard Router,
9 117 West Van Emmon . My question is why are we
10 zoning two lots in that block? Why don ' t we do
11 the whole block instead of -- instead of just the
12 two lots ?
13 Now, I ' m zoned business across
14 the street and it doesn ' t bother me a bit being
15 business , but I ' d like to see the whole block or
16 none . You are stripping, is what you ' re doing .
17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : We can ' t control
18 what other people do . They would have to come
19 here and get that and make a request for that
20 zoning if they wanted it .
21 MR . ROUTER : I didn ' t have to do it
22 years ago .
23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : I know . Is
24 there anything from anyone else?
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1 WHEREUPON :
2 DAVID SCHMELZLE,
3 testified before the Plan Commission as follows :
4 MR . SCHMELZLE : David Schmelzle ,
5 2076 , straight down the block west . My question
6 would be is the proposed zoning here consistent
7 , with some of the plans that the City has looked
8 at as far as the big picture of the downtown?
9 A lot of these people here are
10 talking about their homes and how it ' s going to
11 be affected .
12 Some of us here look at those
13 plans and our homes are no longer there , and I
14 was just curious because we ' re trying to get a
15 picture of what ' s going to happen down there , and
16 we are directly affected by our homes being gone ,
17 and my question would be is this part of that
18 plan or has that been considered and how does
19 that work? Maybe I am way ahead of the game
20 here , I don ' t know, but I think we are looking at
21 the future . We have to .
22 MR . DEARBORN : I have met with those
23 planners three times , Gavin Associates , and I
24 showed them these plans and it follows with their
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1 plans , the Main Street , whole downtown .
2 So it is going to -- the middle
3 part -- I don ' t know if you remember, the middle
4 part is kind of U-shaped buildings around, and
5 since the railroads are on the north side , those
6 are always going to be kind of looking down , the
7 inside of the buildings will be inside looking
8 park areas looking down the river, so it ' s kind
9 of -- it will go up -- like this and the Zieger
10 (phonetic ) property will go straight up and then
11 across Van Emmon and then back down, you know, in
12 years to come , and that fits in with what they
13 want . So --
14 MR . SCHMELZLE : I guess my next
15 question would be is going to be -- in the
16 residential areas downtown is this going to be --
17 this kind of zoning approved regularly, because I
18 guess my concern would be the residential
19 business mix, where that will definitely affect
20 property values .
21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : That ' s why they
22 are here, so that we can look at it and see how
23 the master plan is going to work .
24 MR . DEARBORN : And I am keeping the
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1 one house there . There is two pieces of
2 property, there ' s still --
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : And that ' s why
4 we have public hearings , so that you can come and
5 say what you think and tell us how you feel , and
6 then we try to take it into consideration .
7 MR . SCHMELZLE : I guess my last
8 comment would be please take into consideration
9 those of us that live there how we ' re going to be
10 impacted by this , and I know it doesn ' t have to
11 be a negative impact , but we ' re looking at this
12 because that ' s our biggest investment we have ,
13 and this is definitely going to affect us .
14 MR . SCHILLINGER : Some of us on this
15 panel live in that same area that you are talking
16 about .
17 MR . SCHMELZLE : Thank you .
18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : It looks like
19 that ' s it . Thank you, sir .
20 MR . PILMER : Thank you .
21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : And do we have a
22 motion to close the last two public hearings ?
23 MR . CROUCH : So moved .
24 MR . SCHILLINGER : Second .
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3 (A Chorus of Ayes )
4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you .
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Plan Commission Multi-Page"m Charles - Gates
May 11, 2005 .
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58:3 28:24 49:12 59:11 37:11 46:11 Faye[2] 36:5,7
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59:4,20 costs[2] 12:24 23:21 37:10 40:6 egress[1] 5:22 21:10 23:3,3 27:17,22
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15:19 17:2 gas[4] 45:22 53:12,14,16
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comer[14] 7:12 14:12 destroy[1] 38:11 easement[4] 6:8,9 15:14 Gates[17]6, 35:24 36:5,7,7
30:22,24 33:5,18 35:716:19
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37:18 40:15 50:1,23 51:1 east[5] 2:12 4:21 5:7
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Plan Commission Multi-Page`'` Gavin - Muirfield
May 11, 2005
Gavin m 55:23 home[3] 31:21 51:13,20 itself m 14:12 License[i] 59:21 materials[i] 46:5
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Gentlemen p] 42:17 hoping[2] 21:19 23:18 jail[8] 30:15,18 31:3,4 lines[3] 45:21,22,22 MAYOR[i] 48:17
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given[i) 32:9 hour[i) 1:9 Jason[z] 3:23 8:17 live[11] 9:12,17 12:7 21:2 McCue[14] 29:20 38:20
Glenn[2] 19:11,16 hours[1] 20:17 John[2] 2:14 33:18 33:14 36:7 42:24 43:2 44:6,12,20,23 45:1,6,8,8
goes[8] 10:6 14:22 15:20 house[13] 9:17 10:20 joke[2] 33:19 40:23 52:12 57:9,15 45:8,11,20 46:17
16:5,6 22:2 37:3 53:5 14:1,10,12 18:9 33:8,11 loading[1] 44:15 mean[12] 18:4,20 20:10
39:7 44:19,21 53:9 57:1 JONES[5] 2:8 29:7 30:3 located[4] 5:6 6:9,21,24 20:10,14,16 22:12 23:9
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grandchildren[i) 20:8 hundred[1] 23:3 26:17,20 27:3,15 55:12 56:22 mentioned[i] 26:16
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1ground m 53:3 Illinois[6] 1:2,10 2:13 killed[z] 35:2,4 lots[12] 11:7 30:17,19,20 middle[2] 56:2,3
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36:23 37:8,21 38:3,8 Landscaping[i] 53:5 monument m27:6
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health[i] 33:15 43:10,14,18,21 44:3 46:9 5:4 main[8] 18:16 23:9 49:20 most[z] 21:5 25:3
hear[3) 3:10 4:22 9:11 - 46:15,19 48:9 LASALLE[i] 59:2 50:1,3,24 51:19 56:1
maintain[i] 24:3 motion[6] 3:2 29:5,16
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hearing[6] 3:7 29:6,18 inside[2] 56:7,7 57:7,22 maintenance[2] 24:1 motor[i] 7:2
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interest[z] 11:18 25:4 28:10 34:14,17,23 35:7,14,19 Mrs[i] 49:17
HEITZ[i] 2:12 interests[2] 24:21 47:21 leave[i] 23:16 39:19 40:21 41:5,9,15 MS[31] 2:2,10 9:16 13:9
help[z] 13:18 40:2 inundation[i] 7:18 left[z] 22:7,9 map[i] 42:22 17:7,10,15,23 18:5,8,11
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HOLDIMAN[z] 2:3 issues[z] 41:13 52:5 level[z] 24:16 26:22 matched[i] 28:3 21:2 22:1,9 28:12
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Plan Commission Multi-Pagel'` multi-use - Rich
May 11, 2005
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9:16 12:1 13:16 19:15 once[3] 7:4 13:15 39:2 perception[1] 38:17 4:20 5:5 7:10 8:8 28:20 R[2] 2:1,11
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police[1] 33:16
obviously[2] 14:7 37:12 path[1] 32:8 rezone[4] 30:16,19 49:8
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Plan Commission Multi-Page TM Richard- utilized
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Richard[8] 3:15 11:16 section[1] 32:5 southeastern[1] 30:22 sworn[11 59:5 township[7] 10:19
20:23 21:1 41:23 42:4 see[12] 4:9 10:18 16:18 southern[11 6:11 system[3] 6:13,14 8:4 11:13,13 14:2,24 15:2
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Plan Commission Multi-Page values - zoning
May 11, 2005
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
2,,,ti0 c,r o United City of Yorkville
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DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING SAFETY & ZONING
MEMORANDUM
DATE: October 11, 2005
TO: John Wyeth, City Attorney
FROM: William A. Dettm r Official
SUBJECT: Annexation of Property Located at 10701 Route 71
Per your request, I did make a re-inspection of the above-mentioned property
which is under petition to be annexed into the City and is proposed to be zoned B3. The
existing property will meet the B3 requirements except for the following:
A. Parking and driveways are required to be hard surfaced. At this time, they
are gravel and some asphalt.
B. There is some barb wire on the fence in back of the property, which is
permitted in Agricultural zoning in both the County and the City, but is
not allowed in B3 zoning and will have to be removed.
C. I spoke with the County Planner. The property is zoned agricultural with a
special use.
If any further information is needed, please contact me.
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EST. ' ' 1836 Yorkville, Illinois 60560
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Date: September 30, 2005
To: Plan Commission
From: Liz D'Anna, Administrative Assistant
RE: Meetings for the Month of October
CC: Mayor and City Council
Two meetings have been scheduled for the month of October; the regular meeting
date of October 12th and the last Wednesday, October 26th.
Items tentatively scheduled for these meetings are:
October 12th:
Public Hearings: 1. Schramm Property - Kane County
2. Schramm Property - Kendall County
3. Yorkwood Estates (Anderson Farm)
4. Chally Farm
Old Business: 1. Daniel Laniosz's Annexation Request
New Business: 1. Dhuse Property - Concept Plan
October 26th:
New Business: 1. Prestwick of Yorkville - Final Plat
2. Kendallwood Estates - Preliminary Plan
3. Eldamain Center for Business - Preliminary PUD Plan
If you have any questions, please call me.
Thank you,
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