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Planning and Zoning Commission Minutes 2018 10-10-18 Page 1 of 2 APPROVED 11/14/18 PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION City Council Chambers 800 Game Farm Road, Yorkville, Il Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:00pm Meeting Called to Order Vice-Chairman Jeff Olson called the meeting to order at 7:00pm, roll was called and a quorum was established. Roll Call: Deborah Horaz-present, Don Marcum-present, Jeff Olson-present, Richard Vinyard- present, Bill Gockman-present Absent: Reagan Goins, Randy Harker City Staff Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Community Development Director Jason Engberg, Senior Planner Other Guests Chris Vitosh, Vitosh Reporting Service Previous Meeting Minutes September 12, 2018 The minutes were approved as presented on a motion and second by Commissioners Vinyard and Gockman, respectively. Roll call: Horaz-present, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Gockman-yes Passed 4-0 with 1 present vote Citizen’s Comments None Public Hearing 1. PZC 2018-07 GRNE Solar, Eric Peterman, petitioner, has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting special use permit approval to install and operate a solar farm with more than one freestanding solar energy system on approximately 7.4 acres of land consisting of roughly 6,400 solar modules. The real property, zoned in the O Office District, is located at the southeast corner of John Street and Beecher Road at the Kendall County Government Campus in Yorkville, Illinois. Chairman Olson said this Hearing would not be held tonight since the petitioner had not yet notified the surrounding property owners about the Hearing. Mr. Vinyard moved and Mr. Gockman seconded the motion to move this Hearing to November 14, 2018. Roll call: Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Gockman-yes, Horaz-yes, carried 5-0. Page 2 of 2 2. PZC 2018-17 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, petitioner, is proposing a text amendment for consideration of updates to “Chapter 20: Signs” of the United City of Yorkville Zoning Ordinance. The update to the text includes establishing and defining an exterior business wall that is allowed a wall sign and where that wall sign may be located but does not change the overall allowable size of a wall sign on an exterior wall. Mr. Olson gave instructions for the procedure and there were no persons wishing to give testimony. At approximately 7:04pm Mr. Vinyard made a motion to open the Public Hearing and Ms. Horaz seconded the motion. Roll call: Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Gockman-yes, Horaz-yes, Marcum-yes, carried 5-0 (See Court Reporter's Transcript) At approximately 7:17pm a motion to close the Hearing was made by Mr. Vinyard and seconded by Mr. Marcum. Roll call: Vinyard-yes, Gockman-yes, Horaz-yes, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, carried 5-0. Ms. Horaz commented that the graphics seemed somewhat confusing so Mr. Olson asked that the graphics be made more specific. New Business: 1. PZC 2018-17 Text Amendment Action Item Text Amendment A motion was made by Commissioner Vinyard to approve the motion as follows: In consideration of testimony presented during a Public Hearing on October 10, 2018, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends approval to the City Council of a request to amend the United City of Yorkville Zoning Ordinance as presented by staff in a memorandum dated October 3, 2018 and further subject to changes in drawings. Commissioner Gockman seconded the motion. Roll call: Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Gockman-yes, Horaz-yes, Marcum-yes. Carried 5-0. Unfinished Business None Additional Business: 1. 2019 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Schedule The Commissioners approved the proposed 2019 meeting schedule. 2. PZC 2018-16 Flight Team Mr. Engberg said City Council had approved the special use permit for Flight Team, previously heard at PZC. Construction should begin soon. Adjournment There was no further business and the meeting was adjourned at 7:23pm on a motion by Commissioners Vinyard and Horaz, respectively. Voice vote approval. Respectfully submitted by Marlys Young, Minute Taker PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE 7 YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS 8 9 10 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION 11 PUBLIC HEARING 12 13 14 15 16 17 800 Game Farm Road 18 Yorkville, Illinois 19 20 21 22 Wednesday, October 10, 2018 23 7 : 00 p .m. 24 itosh Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 2 1 PRESENT : 2 Mr . Jeff Olson, Deputy Chairman, 3 Mr . Bill Gockman, 4 Ms . Deborah Horaz, 5 Mr . Donald Marcum, 6 Mr . Richard Vinyard. 7 8 ALSO PRESENT : 9 Ms . Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Community 10 Development Director, I1 Mr . Jason Engberg, Senior Planner, 12 Ms . Marlys Young, Minute Taker . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Tiitosh Deporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 3 1 WHEREUPON, the following 2 proceedings were had in 3 public hearing : ) 4 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : We will move on 5 to the next item on the agenda, public hearings . 6 There are two public hearings scheduled for 7 tonight ' s Planning and Zoning Commission 8 meeting . 9 While there are two public hearings 10 on tonight ' s agenda, the official petitioner, 11 GRNE Solar, has not notified the surrounding 12 property owners of the scheduled hearing for 13 tonight for item PZC 2018-07 ; therefore, the 14 public hearing for PZC 2018-07 will not be open 15 for discussion and testimony will not be taken at 16 tonight ' s meeting . 17 Due to the absence of required 18 notification of property owners within 500 feet 19 of the subject property, may I have a motion, 20 please, to move the public hearing scheduled for 21 PZC 2018-07 from the October 10th, 2018 Planning 22 and Zoning Commission meeting to the 23 November 14th, 2018 Planning and Zoning 24 Commission meeting at the same time and place as Iiitosh Deporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 4 1 the originally planned hearing? 2 MR. VINYARD: So moved. 3 MR. GOCKMAN : Second. 4 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Roll call vote 5 on the motion, please . 6 MS . YOUNG: Yes . Marcum. 7 MR. MARCUM: Yes . 8 MS . YOUNG: Olson. 9 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Yes . 10 MS . YOUNG: Vinyard . 11 MR. VINYARD: Yes . 12 MS . YOUNG: Gockman . 13 MR. GOCKMAN : Yes . 14 MS . YOUNG: And Horaz . 15 MS . HORAZ : Yes . 16 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : The public 17 hearing for PZC 2018-07 has been moved to 18 November 14th, 2018 Planning and Zoning 19 Commission meeting . 20 There is now one public hearing 21 scheduled for tonight ' s Planning and Zoning 22 Commission meeting . 23 The purpose of this hearing is to 24 invite testimony from members of the public Vitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail . com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 5 1 regarding the proposed request that is being 2 considered before this Commission tonight . 3 Public testimony from persons 4 present who wish to speak may be for or against 5 the request or to ask questions of the petitioner 6 regarding the request being heard. 7 Those persons willing -- I ' m sorry, 8 those persons wishing to testify are asked to 9 speak clearly, one at time, and state your name 10 and who you represent, if anyone at all . 11 You are also asked to sign in at the 12 podium or complete and file -- or complete and 13 file when you come to the podium your request to 14 give testimony form. 15 If you plan to speak during 16 tonight ' s public hearing as a petitioner or as a 17 member of the public, please stand and raise your 18 right hand and repeat after me . As there are no 19 people, we will not be doing that . 20 Do I need to go through the order of 21 testimony if there is no testimony? 22 MS . NOBLE : No . 23 . DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : May I have a 24 motion to open the public hearing on petition Uitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail.com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 6 1 number PZC 2018-17? 2 MR. VINYARD: So moved. 3 MS . HORAZ : Second. 4 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Roll call vote 5 on the motion, please . 6 MS . YOUNG : Olson . 7 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Yes . 8 MS . YOUNG: Vinyard . 9 MR. VINYARD : Yes . 10 MS . YOUNG : Gockman . 11 MR. GOCKMAN : Yes . 12 MS . YOUNG : Horaz . 13 MS . HORAZ : Yes . 14 MS . YOUNG: And Marcum. 15 MR . MARCUM: Yes . 16 MR. ENGBERG: I am the petitioner, so I 17 can go ahead and explain it to everyone . 18 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Please . 19 MR . ENGBERG: All right . So this is a 20 petition for PZC 2018-17 . It ' s a Staff request 21 text amendment to our Zoning Ordinance Chapter 22 20, Signs . 23 This comes out of a decision made in 24 March of this year, the Heritage sign on 129 itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 7 1 Commercial Drive . Staff has been interpreting 2 our measurements along building mounted signage 3 one way; the petitioner felt it was not clear in 4 our writings in the Zoning Ordinance how he 5 interpreted our measurement . 6 At the end of that meeting, at the 7 end of that meeting, we decided that the 8 petitioner could keep their sign up and that 9 Staff would rewrite and clarify what we have as 10 the intention for the language within the Zoning 11 Ordinance . 12 The memo submitted in the packet 13 goes over the need for the clarification . There 14 is many newer buildings that have architectural 15 features, expression lines, and a lot of 16 different depths, so it ' s very difficult to 17 tell the common separate wall and what ' s, you 18 know defined as an architectural feature or a 19 column . 20 There is a couple graphics there 21 that show kind of the intent of the sign 22 ordinance to have things somewhat centered or 23 still offer a lot of options, but make sure that 24 things aren ' t right up against the edge or right Vitosfc Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cros.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 8 1 up, you know, nearly the top of the roof . 2 Staff conducted research on how many 3 of our neighbors handle this kind of thing : 4 Montgomery, Aurora, Oswego, Plainfield, 5 Naperville, Sugar Grove . There is more detail in 6 there on how each one handles it . 7 To summarize, many of the 8 communities around us handle building mounted 9 signage like we do, as a percentage of linear 10 footage of the front . 11 Not many of them, though, other than 12 Sugar Grove, really comes on to what ' s a facade 13 and what ' s a wall . So we kind of had to use APA 14 references, some of their language, and just some 15 of our own inner workings, common sense, on what 16 we should propose . 17 So actually moving on to the actual 18 language we ' re trying to change, I ' ll go over it 19 very quickly, and then there is several different 20 sections within the code we would be changing, 21 the first being the General Provisions, which is 22 1020-6 . 23 This goes over now what ' s a wall and 24 what ' s a facade . For the most important part, Vitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 9 1 you know, we consider it now that anything 2 jutting out in depth more than four feet will now 3 be considered a wall as long as its facing that 4 same property line . 5 Anything less will just be 6 considered an architectural feature and not a 7 separate wall . It would still be the same plane . 8 We got to that conclusion just on 9 the basis of four feet would be about the maximum 10 opening for a new door, so if you have a jut-out 11 and a door can come in the side, it kind of makes 12 sense that those are now separate -- separate 13 walls . 14 We also added a little language in 15 there in terms of angles ; while, you know, not 16 everybody building has a 90-degree angle where 17 these two walls meet, anything less than 18 135 degrees will be considered two walls, 19 anything greater than 135 degrees will be 20 considered one continuous . 21 That language is confusing, so there 22 are many photos and graphics in here that we 23 designed to hopefully really articulate what we 24 mean by that, so these were all added to kind of itosh Reporting Service 815 . 993.2832 cms .vitosh@gmail . com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 10 1 show the different ways things will get measured . 2 And then just to clarify more so in 3 20-9 and 20-10 , we are changing some of the 4 language to get rid of the facade, and we are 5 talking about exterior walls, because a facade 6 can have more than one exterior wall now. 7 Additionally, we had a provision to 8 keep that your sign must be one foot from either 9 the vertical or horizontal edge of the building 10 or wall . 11 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : We kept that you 12 said? 13 MR. ENGBERG: So we added that because 14 technically in our language we have where you 15 can ' t go 75 percent more than the width, but you 16 could then pull that all the way to the edge of 17 the building, which is kind of against what we -- 18 the whole point of that 75 percent was to keep 19 things off the edges . 20 This way, by saying this , now you 21 know you can ' t go right up to the edge, and that 22 was just pretty much changed for the business 23 zonings and for the manufacturing districts . 24 Also language was added about not liitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing I1 1 being able to transfer sign area between the two 2 walls . 3 MR. MARCUM: Okay. That ' s the part I 4 need clarification on . If I may interrupt now, 5 that ' s the part I want clarification on . 6 MR. ENGBERG: Sure . 7 MR. MARCUM: The business cannot 8 transfer sign area between its adjoining and 9 exterior walls . I 'm not sure what you ' re trying 10 to say there . I1 MR. ENGBERG : So let ' s say there is a 12 facade with a front, but there is two exterior 13 walls , because one is set back, one is set over 14 ten feet . 15 You can ' t say oh, I 'm allowed 100 16 square feet of sign on each wall, or on one wall 17 you ' re allowed 50 square feet, on the other one 18 you ' re allowed 30 square feet, right? 19 You can ' t take calculations from 20 this wall and switch it onto the smaller wall 21 because on the facade you would technically just 22 add it all up, put it on wherever you want . 23 . Now that we are doing separate 24 exterior walls , if you have two walls, each wall T2itosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail . com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 12 1 has its own measurement . You can' t take from the 2 larger just so you can have a larger sign on the 3 smaller wall . 4 MS . HORAZ : I have a question in this 5 example here . It looks like it ' s taken off more 6 than 75 percent . I don ' t know what page it ' s on. 7 MR. ENGBERG: That ' s -- So all the stuff 8 that says potential sign area -- 9 MS . HORAZ : Yeah. 10 MR. ENGBERG: -- are larger than I1 75 percent . It ' s just to show that the area -- 12 the place you can put a sign. 13 MS . HORAZ : So it wouldn ' t be this big? 14 MR. ENGBERG: Correct . 15 MS . HORAZ : Because that ' s what -- 16 MR. ENGBERG: Same with all of the -- 17 same on example two . That would be way too much 18 signage . 19 MS . HORAZ : And this one down the side 20 too -- 21 MR. ENGBERG: Right . 22 MS . HORAZ : -- it ' s kind of crazy. 23 MR. ENGBERG: Right, but if you had a 24 very small sign that wasn ' t 75 percent, it could 2itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 13 1 go anywhere in that area . 2 Yes . Any other questions? I was 3 just going to say so this is our Staff 4 recommendation on it, and any other questions or 5 concerns or anything you want to add? 6 MS . HORAZ : I see you ' re going to put a 7 time limit on the ones that are exceeding the 8 revision? What is it, five years? 9 MR. ENGBERG: Amortization is five years 10 for the ones that are not compliant . 11 MS . HORAZ : And what if somebody came to 12 us and said well, you let this person here . 13 MR. ENGBERG: It ' s the same as we 14 answered when they came in and said hey, this 15 business has it, you know. 16 It ' s one of those things that if we 17 just say hey, we noticed that, it ' s under 18 amortization for five years and will be notified 19 they will need to conform. 20 MS . NOBLE : The Heritage sign won ' t -- 21 MR. ENGBERG: The Heritage sign will 22 not -- 23 MS . NOBLE : -- because in essence -- 24 MS . HORAZ : It was caught . itosfi Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 14 1 MS . NOBLE : Well , no . In essence you 2 granted them approval of the sign . So they 3 appealed our denial and they came before this 4 body and this body allowed them to put the sign, 5 so they are not amortized. They are allowed to 6 keep their sign . Anyone else, a couple of 7 examples , unless they come in and ask for relief, 8 but in that instance, they would then have to 9 seek a variance because that was an 10 interpretation . This is now clearly -- I1 MS . HORAZ : I don' t like when things 12 look cluttered . It doesn ' t appeal from the 13 street . 14 MS . NOBLE : And to go back to your 15 question, Don, about the two walls , a good 16 example would be example number two . 17 The depth was less than four feet, 18 so that ' s one continuous wall . 19 MR. ENGBERG : Correct . 20 MS . NOBLE : Had the depth been greater 21 than four feet, they can ' t say I ' ve got 100 22 linear feet so I have 75 square feet, I want to 23 put it all on this facade on this side . 24 MR. MARCUM: Okay. Vitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 15 1 MS . NOBLE : They would have to split 2 that between -- 3 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Six foot tall 4 corners . 5 MR. ENGBERG : Correct . 6 MS . NOBLE : They would have to split 7 that between the two . 8 MS . HORAZ : How does that look 9 aesthetically? 10 MS . NOBLE : Well -- 11 MR. ENGBERG : What do you mean, like -- 12 MS . HORAZ : When you split a sign. 13 MS . NOBLE : Well, you wouldn ' t split the 14 sign. 15 MR. ENGBERG: No, you wouldn ' t split . 16 What she was saying is example two -- 17 MS . HORAZ : Okay . 18 MR. ENGBERG : -- since that depth along 19 that lot line is less than four feet, that ' s 20 considered one side, one exterior wall, which is 21 how petitioner was kind of explaining everything, 22 saying oh, even if there ' s a huge depth, it ' s one 23 wall, so what we ' re saying is for that purpose, 24 for example two, that measurement for your T)itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 16 1 exterior wall is let ' s say a hundred feet, then 2 you get one square foot for every foot, then you 3 get 100 square feet of signage, and it still has 4 to conform, it can ' t be 75 percent with the 5 entire wall, you still have to be -- 6 MS . HORAZ : Your example isn ' t very 7 good. 8 MS . NOBLE : So to your question, they 9 wouldn ' t split a sign . What they would do is 10 they would make the sign conform to the size of 11 the facade that they were putting it on, so 12 instead of getting a very large sign, they would 13 have a very scaled down sign to fit the side . 14 MS . HORAZ : Are these the examples that 15 are going to go in the book? 16 MS . NOBLE : No, these aren ' t going to go 17 in the book . 18 MR. ENGBERG: Are these? 19 MS . NOBLE : Are these examples going in 20 the book? 21 MR. ENGBERG: I was hoping (inaudible) . 22 MS . HORAZ : Well, because it just looks 23 so big in the front . 24 MR. MARCUM: Well, that ' s assuming no TlitosIi Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cros .vitosh@gmail. com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 17 1 windows . Unless it ' s going to be a strip club or 2 something, there ' s going to be windows . 3 MS . NOBLE : Right . 4 MR. ENGBERG: Exactly, smaller . 5 MS . HORAZ : Yeah, I don ' t want somebody 6 confused when they look at it . 7 MR. MARCUM: Yeah, that would look 8 horrible . 9 MR. ENGBERG: That ' s why we put 10 potential sign area, because you don ' t want to I1 say -- because it ' s a graphic there is no 12 measurements on it, it ' s not an exact science . 13 It was just a potential sign area . 14 MS . HORAZ : Because this one goes to the 15 roof one . 16 MR. ENGBERG : On example one? 17 MS . HORAZ : Yes . And example two in the 18 first one . 19 MR. MARCUM: When you put these in the 20 book, put not to scale on there . 21 MR. ENGBERG : Right . 22 MS . HORAZ : I would put -- 23 MS . NOBLE : We could add some form of 24 pictures . Vitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 18 1 MR. ENGBERG: Yeah, and pictures or 2 something to make it look a little better . 3 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : The drawing really 4 helped me understand it because I was -- I 5 started reading the descriptions and I was lost, 6 but the drawings help a lot . 7 MS . HORAZ : I mean, people are more 8 visual, like to look at things . 9 MR. ENGBERG: And kind of going back to 10 your aesthetically, Page 2 of that memo kind of 11 shows the difference between what we ' re going 12 for . 13 MS . HORAZ : What page is it? 14 MR . ENGBERG: 2 of the memo . 15 MS . HORAZ : Okay. 16 MR. ENGBERG: The bottom of Page 2 kind 17 of shows a lot of the signage , how we kind of 18 interpret it to show things -- 19 MS . HORAZ : This? 20 MR. ENGBERG: Yes . That ' s we were 21 trying to get to that . The one on the bottom' s 22 not -- 23 MS . HORAZ : This is the way your 24 examples look. Uitosh Reporting Service 815. 993. 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail . com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 19 1 MR. ENGBERG: I will change the examples 2 to make sure they look more clear . 3 MS . HORAZ : This is the way we want it 4 to look. 5 MR. ENGBERG: I will add some 6 architectural features on the top just so it 7 doesn ' t look like a large sign area . 8 MS . HORAZ : Thank you . 9 MR. ENGBERG: Any other questions or 10 conditions? 11 No response . ) 12 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Since all public 13 testimony regarding this petition has been taken, 14 may I have a motion to close the taking of. 15 testimony in this public hearing? 16 MR. VINYARD: So moved. 17 MR. MARCUM: Second . 18 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Roll call vote 19 on the motion, please . 20 MS . YOUNG : Yes . Vinyard . 21 MR. VINYARD : Yes . 22 MS . YOUNG: Gockman. 23 MR. GOCKMAN : Yes . 24 MS . YOUNG: Horaz . T)itosh Reporting Service 815. 993.2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 20 1 MS . HORAZ : Yes . 2 MS . YOUNG: Marcum. 3 MR. MARCUM: Yes . 4 MS . YOUNG: Olson . 5 DEPUTY CHAIRMAN OLSON : Yes . 6 Which were all the 7 proceedings had in the 8 public hearing portion 9 of the meeting . ) 10 000--- 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Vitosfi Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - October 10, 2018 - Public Hearing 21 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) SS . 2 COUNTY OF LASALLE ) 3 I, Christine M. Vitosh, a Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter, do hereby certify that I transcribed 5 the proceedings had at the public hearing and 6 that the foregoing, Pages 1 through 21 , 7 inclusive, is a true, correct and complete 8 computer-generated transcript of the proceedings 9 had at the time and place aforesaid. 10 I further certify that my certificate annexed 11 hereto applies to the original transcript and 12 copies thereof, signed and certified under my 13 hand only . I assume no responsibility for the 14 accuracy of any reproduced copies not made under 15 my control or direction . 16 As certification thereof, I have hereunto set 17 my hand this 6th day of November, A. D. , 2018 . 18 19 20 Christine M . 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