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Planning and Zoning Commission Minutes 2019 01-09-19 Page 1 of 4 APPROVED W/ CORRECTIONS 2/13/19 PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION City Council Chambers 800 Game Farm Road, Yorkville, Il Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:00pm Meeting Called to Order Chairman Randy Harker called the meeting to order at 7:00pm, roll was called and a quorum was established. Roll Call: Reagan Goins-yes, Don Marcum-yes, Jeff Olson-yes, Richard Vinyard-yes, Randy Harker-yes Absent: Deborah Horaz City Staff Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Community Development Director Jason Engberg, Senior Planner Other Guests Christine Vitosh, Vitosh Reporting Service Dan Kramer, Attorney Dale Konicek, Towns of Windett Richard Marciniak Rick Murphy, Cal Atlantic Previous Meeting Minutes November 14, 2018 The minutes were approved as presented on a motion and second by Commissioners Marcum and Goins, respectively. Roll call vote: Goins-yes, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Harker-yes. Motion carried: 5-yes, 0-no Citizen’s Comments None Public Hearings Chairman Harker explained the procedure for the Hearings and swore in those who would speak. At approximately 7:03pm a motion was made and seconded by Mr. Vinyard and Ms. Goins, respectively, to open the Hearing. Roll call: Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Goins-yes, Harker-yes. Passed 5-0. The following Public Hearings were held: 1. PZC 2018-14 Al Eriksson, on behalf of CalAtlantic Group, Inc., petitioner, has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting a fourth (4th) amendment to the Windett Ridge Planned Unit Page 2 of 4 Development Agreement to allow for the extension of an additional three (3) years to complete the construction of a lift station and public improvements in Unit 2 of the Windett Ridge subdivision until December 31, 2023. The real property is generally located south of IL Route 71 and immediately east of IL Route 47 in Yorkville, Illinois. 2. PZC 2018-18 Marker, Inc. petitioner has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting an amendment to the Heartland Subdivision Planned Unit Development to reduce the interior side yard setback from twenty (20) feet to ten (10) feet on Lot 187 of the subdivision. Additionally, the petitioner is requesting to increase the maximum allowable height of a permitted fence in a business district from six (6) feet to eight (8) feet. The real property is located at the southwest corner of the McHugh Road and Route 34 intersection in Yorkville. 3. PZC 2018-19 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, petitioner, is proposing a text amendment to Chapter 6: Permitted and Special Uses in the Zoning Ordinance to identify “brewery” as a permitted use in the M-1 Limited Manufacturing and M-2 General Manufacturing districts and as a special use in the B-1 Local Business, B-2 Retail Commerce Business, B-3 General Business, B-4 Service Business districts. This text amendment will provide regulations for the establishment and operation of such uses in these zoning districts. Additionally, the definition for “microbreweries/brewpubs” will also be amended to allow the maximum production per calendar year of 155,000 gallons. 4. PZC 2018-21 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, petitioner, is proposing a text amendment to Chapter 3: General Zoning Provisions of the United City of Yorkville Zoning Ordinance to create a new subsection regarding mobile food and retail vendor vehicles. The amendment will provide location and operational standards after the required business registration of the vendor and vehicle for food trucks and similar mobile vendors conducting business within the public right-of-way and on private property. (See Court Reporter Transcripts) The Hearings were closed at approximately 7:39pm on a motion by Mr. Vinyard and second by Mr. Marcum. Roll call: Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Goins-yes, Harker-yes. Passed 5-0. Chairman Harker announced to the Planning and Zoning Commission that Commissioner Bill Gockman resigned due to a new work commitment. The Chairman thanked Mr. Gockman for his service. Unfinished Business None Page 3 of 4 New Business 1. PZC 2018-14 CalAtlantic (see #1 above) Commissioner Vinyard inquired if the developer could keep asking for extensions. He said he had no objections and that it would be beneficial to keep building for tax purposes. Mr. Harker said for the record, that CalAtlantic is doing a great job in Windett Ridge and tremendous progress has been made in the last couple years. Action Item PUD Agreement Amendment A motion was made and seconded by Commissioners Goins and Vinyard respectively, as follows: In consideration of testimony presented during a Public Hearing on January 9, 2019 and the standards for PUD approval and amendment, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends approval of the fourth (4th) amendment to the Windett Ridge Planned Unit Development Agreement to allow for the extension of an additional three (3) years to complete the construction of a lift station and public improvements in Unit 2 of the Windett Ridge subdivision until December 31, 2023, as presented by staff in a memorandum dated December 4, 2018. Roll call: Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Goins-yes, Marcum-yes, Harker-yes. Passed 5-0. 2. PZC 2018-18 Marker (see #2 above) Mr. Engberg gave a staff review of the irregularly shaped property and said it is zoned B- 3 and is part of the Heartland Subdivision. Staff had asked for 2 entry points or to connect to the Casey's driveway. Comments included that the drawing was not to scale, a 3-story building does not fit on the lot and the office use is not in line with the Comp Plan. Chairman Harker suggested reversing the parking lot and the proposed building in order to step the building back from Rt. 34. Staff and the petitioner have both attempted to contact Casey's numerous times regarding working with the petitioner and Casey's has not responded. The median and setback issues were discussed and the Commissioners also felt an office building was not appropriate on this lot. Action Item Special Use Mr. Harker said the vote is going to be to postpone this matter until February. A motion was made by Mr. Marcum and seconded by Mr. Vinyard as follows: based upon information provided by staff in a memorandum dated December 6, 2018, and testimony provided at the January 9, 2019 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission moves to continue the public hearing for PZC 2018-18 to the regularly scheduled February 13, 2019 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. Roll call: Vinyard-yes, Goins-yes, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Harker-yes. Carried 5-0. 3. PZC 2018-19 United City of Yorkville Text Amendment/Breweries (see #3 above) Action Item Text Amendment A motion was made by Ms. Goins and seconded by Mr. Vinyard as follows: in consideration of testimony presented during a Public Hearing on January 9, 2019 and discussions conducted at that meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends approval to the City Council of a request for text amendment to Chapter 6: Permitted Uses in the Zoning Ordinance to identify “brewery” as a permitted use in the M-1 Limited Manufacturing and M-2 General Manufacturing districts and as a special Page 4 of 4 use in the B-1 Local Business, B-2 Retail Commerce Business, B-3 General Business, B-4 Service Business districts. This text amendment will provide regulations for the establishment and operation of such uses in these zoning districts. Additionally, the definition for “microbreweries/brewpubs” will also be amended to allow the maximum production per calendar year of 155,000 gallons, as presented by staff in a memorandum dated December 4, 2018. Roll call: Goins-yes, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Harker-yes. Carried 5-0. 4. PZC 2018-21 United City of Yorkville Text Amendment Mobile Food Vehicles (see #4 above) Action Item Text Amendment It was moved and seconded by Commissioners Marcum and Vinyard respectively, to approve this amendment as follows: in consideration of testimony presented during a Public Hearing on January 9, 2019 and discussions conducted at that meeting, the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends approval to the City Council a request for a text amendment to Chapter 3: General Zoning Provisions of the United City of Yorkville Zoning Ordinance to create a new subsection regarding mobile food and retail vendor vehicles, as recommended in a staff memo dated December 5, 2018. Roll call: Goins-yes, Marcum-yes, Olson-yes, Vinyard-yes, Harker-yes. Carried 5-0. 5. PZC 2019-07 United City of Yorkville Neighborhood Design Manual Mr. Engberg said this manual was developed as a Master's degree project and is for review. It presents guidelines for preservation/renovation of the historic homes in the city to maintain their character. Comments were encouraged and included: very nice, use the word “vintage” instead of “old” home. It was noted that “historic” connotates limitations on improvements. It will go before the City Council for approval in February. Additional Business 1. City Council Action Updates a. PZC 2-18-07 GRNE Solar: was approved by the City Council Adjournment There was no further business and the meeting was adjourned at 8:09pm on a motion and second by Commissioners Vinyard and Marcum, respectively. Approved on voice vote. Respectfully submitted by Marlys Young, Minute Taker PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE 7 YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS 8 9 10 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION 11 PUBLIC HEARING 12 13 14 15 16 17 800 Game Farm Road 18 Yorkville, Illinois 19 20 21 22 Wednesday, January 9, 2019 23 7 : 00 p .m. 24 Vitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 2 1 PRESENT : 2 Mr . Randy Harker, Chairman, 3 Mr . Jeff Olson, Deputy Chairman, 4 Mr . Richard Vinyard, 5 Ms . Reagan Flavin-Goins , 6 Mr . Donald Marcum. 7 8 ALSO PRESENT : 9 Ms . Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Community 10 Development Director, 11 Mr . Jason Engberg, Senior Planner, 12 Ms . Marlys Young, Minute Taker . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 , liitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 3 1 WHEREUPON, the following 2 proceedings were had in 3 public hearing : ) 4 CHAIRMAN HARKER: There are four public 5 hearings scheduled for tonight ' s Planning and 6 Zoning Commission meeting. 7 The purpose of these hearings is to 8 invite testimony from the members of the public 9 regarding the proposed requests that are being 10 considered before the Commission tonight . I1 Public testimony from persons 12 present who wish to speak may be in favor of or 13 against the request, or have questions for the 14 petitioner of the request being heard. 15 Those persons wishing to testify are 16 asked to speak clearly, one at a time, state your 17 name and who you represent, if anyone . Also, you 18 ' are asked to sign in at the podium if you have 19 not already done so . 20 If you plan to speak during 21 tonight ' s public hearing as a petitioner or a 22 member of the public, please stand, raise your 23 right hand, and repeat after me . 24 Witnesses sworn . ) Iiitosh Deporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cros.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 4 1 CHAIRMAN HARKER : So when we are going 2 through here -- When I open up the public hearing 3 we start going through, the order that we will 4 receive the testimony will be from the 5 petitioners , the petitioner will do their 6 presentation, then those people that are in favor 7 of the request that ' s being heard, then those 8 people that are opposed to the request that ' s 9 being heard, and then we ' ll move on to the next 10 agenda item. Okay? I1 May I have a motion to open public 12 hearing on petition numbers PZC 2018-14 , PZC 13 2018-18 , PZC 2018-19, PZC 2018-21? 14 MR . VINYARD: So moved. 15 MS . GOINS : Second . 16 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Okay. May I have a 17 roll call vote on the motion, please? 18 MS . YOUNG: Yes . 19 Marcum. 20 MR. MARCUM: Yes . 21 MS . YOUNG: Olson . 22 MR. OLSON : Yes . 23 MS . YOUNG: Vinyard. 24 MR. VINYARD : Yes . Vitosli Reporting Service 815 . 993.2832 cms.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 5 1 MS . YOUNG: Goins . 2 MS . GOINS : Yes . 3 MS . YOUNG: Harker . 4 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Yes . 5 Okay. PZC 2018-14 , Al Eriksson, on 6 behalf of CalAtlantic Group, Inc . , petitioner, 7 has filed an application with the United City of 8 Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, requesting a 9 fourth amendment to the Windett Ridge Planned 10 Unit Development Agreement to allow for the 11 extension of an additional three years to 12 complete the construction of a lift station and 13 public improvements in Unit 2 of Windett Ridge 14 subdivision until December 31 , 2023 . 15 The real property is generally 16 located south of Route 71 and immediately east of 17 Route 47 in Yorkville, Illinois . 18 Is the petitioner present and 19 prepared to do the presentation? 20 MR. MURPHY : Yes . 21 RICK MURPHY, 22 called as a witness herein, having been first 23 duly sworn, testified from the podium as follows : 24 MR. MURPHY : Good evening . My name is Vitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 6 1 Rick Murphy . I 'm presenting on behalf of Al 2 Eriksson and CalAtlantic Homes . 3 I ' ve read the summary; it ' s 4 excellent summary prepared by staff . Thank you 5 for that, and thank you for hearing our case . 6 Ryland Homes was contract purchaser 7 of the Windett development I believe in 2013 . 8 MS . NOBLE : ' 13 . 9 MR. MURPHY : CalAtlantic Homes is the 10 successor by merger and acquisition on the 11 property. 12 CalAtlantic Homes developed Unit 1 , 13 approximately 261 units, Unit 2 is 16 units . 14 Unit 1 is in the final stages of development and 15 build-out at this point, and we are working with 16 engineering for final approvals and subdivision 17 , acceptance in Unit 1 . 18 I believe punch list items are 19 completed . There might be -- I think there is 20 discussion -- So, anyway, we are working on final 21 improvements with land development and city 22 engineers . 23 So Windett Ridge Unit 2 has got some 24 physical constraints just due to topography, and itosIi Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 7 1 in order to develop that, it either needs 2 development to the south on adjoining property or 3 a lift station, or we could design the 4 development with the lift station improvement . 5 The additional cost that would be 6 subject to the 16 lots or so in the unit would 7 be -- it would render the lots non-competitive . 8 If we were to go to development, very likely 9 develop them and we couldn ' t sell them. 10 So we ' ve been working with staff 11 over the past several months to come to an 12 extension on the agreement that we can, you know, 13 extend the development to 2023 and keep a fee 14 lock until the end of 2020 with the ability to 15 prepay the fees , and as part of that agreement 16 we ' ve proposed a donation of $10, 000 to help 17 improve Unit 1 park. 18 And I think that ' s the summary. I 19 think I ' m open to any questions if you have 20 them. 21 CHAIRMAN HARKER: What we ' re going to do 22 is -- What we were going to do is to hold all of 23 our questions until the end, you know. 24 MR. MURPHY : Okay. Very good. Thank liitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 8 1 you . 2 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Thanks . 3 Okay. Well, thank you for that, 4 Mr . Murphy. Is anybody would like to speak in 5 favor of the request? 6 MR. KRAMER : Should I identify for the 7 record first? 8 CHAIRMAN HARKER : What ' s that? 9 MR. KRAMER : Should I identify for the 10 record first? 11 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Yes . 12 MR. KRAMER: Okay. Daniel J. Kramer . I 13 am an attorney . My address is 1107A South Bridge 14 Street, Yorkville, Illinois . 15 We ' ve worked with Mr . Eriksson on 16 the project on behalf of Dale Klincek, who is 17 here in the audience tonight . 18 So we don ' t have an objection, and 19 we ' re really not speaking for, but we did notice 20 in some references to the staff report and some 21 news reports that we ' ve heard in the media -- 22 could be fake news -- that they are thinking 23 about moving ahead with the adjoining owner, and 24 we would love to work with them because the itosh Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 9 1 original plan several owners ago was this was 2 going to be developed by Wiseman-Hughes, and what 3 Dale ended up buying . 4 Al has been real good at working 5 with us on a terrible drainage problem, and it ' s 6 for the most part solved, but there is owners to 7 the south, we would like to see more, so if you 8 could relay to Al that Dale and I would love to 9 talk with him, that would be great . 10 We just happen to be here by 11 happenstance on something else tonight . Thanks . 12 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Okay. Thank you . 13 Anybody else that ' s in favor that would like to 14 voice a -- or not a concern . 15 No response . ) 16 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. Those -- 17 Anybody here that would like to speak in 18 opposition of the request that ' s being heard? 19 No response . ) 20 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. Seeing there is 21 none, we are going to move on to the next one, 22 next item on the agenda tonight, which is PZC 23 2018-18, Marker, Inc . , petitioner, has filed an 24 application with the United City of Yorkville, itosli Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 10 1 Kendall County, Illinois , requesting an amendment 2 to the Heartland Subdivision Planned Unit 3 Development to reduce the interior side yard 4 setback from 20 feet to ten feet on Lot 187 of 5 the subdivision . 6 Additionally, the petitioner is 7 requesting to increase the maximum allowable 8 height of a permitted fence in the business 9 district from six feet to eight feet . 10 The real property is located at the 11 southwest corner of McHugh Road and Route 34 12 intersection in Yorkville . 13 Is the petitioner present and ready 14 to present? 15 DANIEL J. KRAMER, 16 having been first duly sworn, testified from the 17 podium as follows : 18 MR. KRAMER: Again, Daniel J. Kramer . 19 My address is 1107A South Bridge Street, 20 Yorkville, Illinois . I am an attorney licensed 21 to practice law in the state of Illinois, and I 22 represent the petitioner . 23 On this one, neither Krysti, Jason 24 or I can take credit for the lot dimensions and 2itosh Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing I1 1 how it was laid out since none of us were 2 involved in the original, but Markers have done a 3 nice job and I think have been a great addition 4 to the city in the sense that the family 5 developed Heartland Subdivision, they developed 6 Heartland Circle, and then the commercial area 7 that ' s now Veteran ' s Way that ' s come along very, 8 very nicely . 9 This is the last parcel that they 10 hope to develop . There are a couple of other 11 lots just for point of interest behind the 12 Veteran' s Way Center that Mr . Ratos and his group 13 that owns Veteran ' s Way owns . 14 The zoning is in place on the 15 property, so that ' s not an issue at all, but as 16 you can tell, with setbacks and the curve of the 17 road, it presents some real challenges, so we 18 filed a petition, it was originally set for 19 public hearing much earlier, and we met with the 20 EDC committee, who had wanted some elevations on 21 the building . 22 At the time the family still hadn ' t 23 decided exactly what type of building or who the 24 end user would be . They are a little bit further Vitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 12 1 along in the process now. 2 Their office building that they 3 still own, where the Gold Star Dance Academy and 4 Kay Hatcher ' s office were, they' ve put that on 5 the market to sell, so their intention is that 6 once that building sells to build the office 7 building here, to move their facility there, so 8 that would be their office, and they see, again, 9 because of the limited parking and the narrowness 10 of the lot, it being a destination-type business, 11 so they would have at least one, maybe two other 12 rental spaces . 13 They think perhaps a real estate 14 office, dentist ' s office, something that doesn' t 15 need a ton of space or a ton of parking would be 16 complementary. 17 I wish I could tell you we could 18 ; bring retail, but unless we could bring back the 19 old Kodak drive-through booths, it would be 20 really tough there . 21 What we ' ve tried to do -- and one of 22 the comments -- and it was a good one, from the 23 EDC committee, they asked us if we could get 24 together with Casey ' s and see if they would allow Uitosli Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 13 1 us to do a joint driveway towards the southerly 2 end of our property and combine it with Casey ' s 3 rear entrance . 4 Greg Marker has tried to contact at 5 least a dozen times . We ' ve talked to the station 6 manager, who really isn ' t management, and she ' s 7 indicated she ' s trying to go up the ladder . 8 Greg had worked with the engineer 9 who directed the installation of the project, and 10 actually they went to Markers and said could we I1 store equipment and so when they were building 12 Casey ' s, so they were very responsive then, we 13 hope we can get together with them, but so far 14 it ' s been six weeks with dead silence, so what 15 Greg did -- and I didn ' t realize it -- he is an 16 architect, as his father is, he did the 17 elevations and he did four different sets for 18 you . 19 He did two if we keep the driveway 20 where it is ; one if we get the ten-foot inner 21 yard variance and one without of what he could 22 build; and he did two if Casey' s agrees to the 23 rear entrance, and, again, one if you grant -- or 24 the city council does, the ten-yard -- ten-foot itosIi Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 14 1 rear or side yard variance next to Casey' s, and 2 one without . 3 If we don ' t get the variance, then 4 really there is no amendment to the PUD, but we 5 think it is better scale and depth to the 6 building with the ten-foot variance . 7 The back that we ' re asking the 8 variance and the side yard is our common 9 boundary with Casey' s , so we ' re not hurting a 10 view from, let ' s say, another office complex or a 11 nice retail center or anything . 12 We thought it might be wise to have 13 a fence separating something more solid, PVC, 14 board-on-board, something kind of nice like 15 that . 16 In all honesty, the drift we got 17 from EDC committee before we came to you is they 18 would rather see it open and not a fence, so we 19 said look, if that ' s the case, we ' re not going to 20 push that issue . 21 The only one that ' s really important 22 to us is the ten feet, then we think we can get a 23 lot better economy of scale . 24 So this is very informal tonight; Uitosli Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 15 1 we ' ve still got to go to public hearing . We did 2 serve the notices on the entire list that Jason 3 provided us by certified mail , we did do the 4 publication, and we indicated because of getting 5 a little gray hair between the original 6 publication and now, perhaps next meeting if we 7 have again a further response from EDC, we would 8 publish for next meeting and come back and do the 9 public hearing then, so we would suggest you 10 table it to the next meeting tonight, but we ' re I1 happy to answer any questions . 12 Greg would have been here in 13 person, but was suffering from a case of the flu 14 and did not want to infect anybody, or me . Thank 15 you. 16 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Thank you . Okay. 17 MR. KRAMER: So I don ' t know if you have 18 any other questions or I ' ll -- 19 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Well, yeah . I think 20 what we want to do is close out -- get through 21 everything and then close out of the public 22 hearing and then we ' ll come back to you with 23 questions . 24 MR. KRAMER: Fair enough . Thank you . Vitosli Deporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cros .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 16 1 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. Moving on to 2 the next item on the agenda, PZC 2018-19, United 3 City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois, 4 Petitioner, is proposing a text amendment to 5 Chapter 6, permitted and special uses in the 6 Zoning Ordinance to identify a brewery as a 7 permitted and -- I 'm sorry, in the M-1 Limited 8 Manufacturing and M-2 General Manufacturing 9 Districts , and as a special use in the B-1 Local 10 Business, B-2 Retail Commerce Business, B-3 11 General Business, B-4 Service Business Districts . 12 This text amendment will provide 13 regulations for the establishment and operation 14 of such uses in these zoning districts . 15 Additionally, the definition for 16 microbreweries and brew pubs will also be amended 17 to allow the maximum production per calendar year 18 of 155, 000 gallons . 19 MS . NOBLE : So this sounds more 20 complicated than what it is that we are 21 proposing . We are proposing two things . 22 The first is right now the city does 23 identify microbreweries and brew pubs as 24 permitted uses in our Business and M-1 districts ; itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 17 1 however, we don ' t have just a category for a 2 brewery, which does not have to have a retail 3 component to it . 4 We do have that in the manufacturing 5 district, but we don ' t have it in our business 6 districts , and so what we ' ve been seeing in other 7 communities is that these types of uses are kind 8 of implanting themselves in the downtown, they 9 are bringing some retail component to it, maybe a 10 little bit small, maybe a tasting room, but 11 doesn ' t rise to the occasion of a brew pub where 12 you have actual food and the brewing of the 13 alcohol, so we ' re trying to clean it up . 14 We keep trying to refine our code so 15 that we are keeping up with whatever the retail 16 and commercial market is doing, so we are going 17 to identify them, give them a class, identify 18 them as permitted uses in the M-1 and special 19 uses in B districts, and then we are also 20 refining our definition . 21 What we found is the definition -- 22 We ' re not increasing the amount of alcohol that 23 can be produced by these types of uses, but we ' re 24 trying to be synergenic with how the state does Tiitosh (Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 18 1 the measurement of how much they can produce . 2 We had it as not necessarily 3 gallons, but we had it listed per barrels, and so 4 when you do the comparison, we had like 55 , 000 5 barrels equivalent to 155, 000 gallons, so we are 6 just trying to keep the language the same, so 7 nothing really complicated . 8 This will end up actually going to 9 another committee because they have to review it 10 for liquor licensing codes , but this will just go 11 here for the public hearing for the text 12 amendment . Any questions? Okay . 13 CHAIRMAN HARKER : All righty. So moving 14 on to the PZC 2018-21 , United City of Yorkville, 15 Kendall County, Illinois , petitioner, is 16 proposing a text amendment to Chapter 3, general 17 zoning provisions of the United City of Yorkville 18 Zoning Ordinance to create a new subsection 19 regarding mobile food and retail vendor 20 vehicles . 21 The amendment will provide location 22 and operational standards after the required 23 business registration of the vendor and vehicle 24 for the food trucks and similar mobile vendors Vitosh Reporting Service 815. 993. 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 19 1 conducting business within the public 2 right-of-way and on private property. 3 MS . NOBLE : Okay . So I ' m going to 4 direct you straightaway to the end of the packet . 5 At the end of the packet there are three sheets 6 that were created and they talk about the three 7 different type of regulations that we are 8 proposing in this text amendment . 9 To give you a little bit of history, 10 food trucks have began to boon, you know, across 11 the nation actually as the start-up businesses 12 that people are venturing into, and they are not 13 just necessarily just food trucks, but they are 14 retail services as well . 15 So our current ordinance in zoning 16 is silent on these uses on private property, but 17 we do have some limited regulations in our 18 licensing section of our code that allow, you 19 know, for small vendors, be it push carts or ice 20 cream trucks , in the public way, but we ' ve never 21 defined when people have, you know, parties or 22 events where they have these food trucks on 23 private property, so we tried to establish some 24 criteria for three different sets of Vitosli Deporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 20 1 circumstances where you would see food trucks . 2 The first you would see is a food 3 truck in the public right-of-way, so parked on 4 the street or in a park. We do have some push 5 carts that, you know, sell hot dogs in the park, 6 but we also didn ' t have any specific regulations , 7 they' d go to the Park and Recreation department, 8 Planning wouldn ' t necessarily see it, we didn ' t 9 know what times they operated and set any 10 specific criteria aside from the health 11 department, so what we tried to do in the first 12 stab is for in the public right-of-way . 13 We created some standards like you 14 can ' t leave the food truck unattended, they have 15 to be parked in, you know, the regular way that 16 you would legally park the vehicle, they can ' t 17 . operate within 500 feet of a K-12 school . 18 You don ' t want to run the risk of 19 having kids trying to get to an ice cream truck 20 or a food vendor, and that ' s since -- and that ' s 21 . only between the hours of seven and four, during 22 the regular school day. 23 They cannot be parked within 25 feet 24 from a street intersection, so there is an liitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 21 1 exhibit on the overhead that shows all of this in 2 graphic form. 3 And then food truck operators must 4 organize customers on the sidewalk side of the 5 street, so they can ' t be vending out of the 6 window to people in vehicles, and -- and they 7 have to clear a pathway, have a pathway, where 8 people can ill line up, provide a trash 9 receptacle because we don ' t want trash all over 10 the area . 11 And this is throughout the city, so 12 they can, you know, be parked within a business 13 area on a resi -- on a public street or they can 14 be parked in the downtown . 15 And then there is other regulations 16 I won ' t get too much into, but we do talk about 17 the length of the truck and how many parking 18 spaces they can take up and general information 19 related to that . 20 There is a fee component not 21 necessarily under your purview because this will 22 go to another committee for that, but we are 23 proposing a $200 application fee, and then that 24 covers the first truck, and if they have more 2itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 22 1 under the same vendor, then it ' s $100 an 2 additional truck, and that ' s for an entire year . 3 So the second bucket of regulations 4 that we created was if you were to have it on 5 private property, so say you want to throw a 6 birthday party and maybe you want to do, you 7 know, cupcakes or something like that, then we 8 had no regulations for that, so we established 9 some regulations which deals with how we would 10 define it in zoning terms, temporary use . I1 There is a maximum number of food 12 trucks you can have that we are proposing, as 13 Jason is showing on the overhead . Only one food 14 truck may operate on the site for every 15 525 square feet of paved area, so the trucks have 16 to be on a paved area . 17 Depending on the size, if they ' re 18 the smaller version, then they can, you know, 19 take up no more than two spaces of the parking 20 area; if they are a larger truck, probably 21 about -- no more than about four spaces . 22 There is areas, if they do want to 23 have seating, what the requirements would be, if 24 they wanted to offer some outdoor leisure space, itosfi Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 23 1 and then if they ' re on private property, they 2 have to get a notarized letter from the property 3 owner saying that they can operate, and that is 4 the sticking point because we don ' t want people 5 just showing up, you know, and not having an 6 owner ' s knowledge . 7 There was a question in EDC when we 8 brought this about restrooms, availability to, 9 you know, have people go to the restroom, if we 10 were going to require port-o-lets, and we said 11 with this ordinance we were not going to have 12 that requirement because if they are off-site on 13 private property, you would assume that they 14 would have the ability to use the rest facilities 15 of whatever location, house or the business that 16 they are in, but if you have different opinions, 17 let me know. We can always incorporate that into 18 the ordinance . 19 They do have to get the 20 certification from the city clerk ' s office 21 similar to the ones that operate in the 22 right-of-way, and then the application fee is 23 25, so we ' re not trying to overly burden, you 24 know, the private property owner, and that covers vitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 24 1 the first truck, and then there is $10 on every 2 additional truck . 3 And then with regards to parking, no 4 matter how many food trucks they have, they 5 cannot take -- occupy more than 40 percent of the 6 required parking spaces, so you can still have 7 business operations coming in and out without the 8 food trucks intruding on that . 9 And the final section, you have a 10 food truck rally, so this is when you have more 11 than three food trucks at a particular location, 12 whether it ' s in the right-of-way, public 13 right-of-way, or on private property, and so we 14 define that . 15 We talk about the review process, 16 that these have to go through not only myself, 17 public recreation, public works, and the police 18 chief . 19 We also will have the fire 20 department review it under my review as well 21 because they would like to know ingress/egress, 22 nearest location of a fire hydrant, and things of 23 that nature . 24 If you have a truck rally, there Vitosh Deporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 25 1 will be required traffic control and pedestrian 2 safety measures that we would look for on your 3 plan because you will have to submit a plan . 4 There also will be an application 5 fee of $50 . Now, this $50 is for the entire 6 event, so it ' s not per vehicle, so you would just 7 let us know all the vendors that you have . 8 And we ask that you as the applicant 9 would send that in at least 30 days prior to the 10 event, give us time to circulate that, and you 11 can have as many -- I think it ' s -- we ' re not 12 limiting the amount of truck rallies you can have 13 on the site, but it ' s just $50 per event . 14 So if you have any questions, we can 15 take that later, but I tried to go through it as 16 quickly and as efficiently as possible . 17 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. So do we have 18 to have a discussion prior to closing? 19 MS . NOBLE : Yeah, it would be best if 20 you have questions for the petitioner to do those 21 now while we are on the record and then you can 22 deliberate amongst yourselves after we close the 23 public hearings . 24 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Yeah, I apologize on fitosh Deporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail . com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 26 1 that . I tried to make a change to the order and 2 it didn ' t quite work so well, so I apologize . 3 So if we can go back to PZC 2018-14 . 4 Mr . Murphy? 5 MR. MURPHY : Yes , sir . 6 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Do you want him to 7 come up to the podium or just stay there? 8 MS . NOBLE : He can stay there . 9 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Just a quick question 10 for you regarding that, with the Windett Ridge . 11 Do you think -- I mean, in your -- 12 not that you have a crystal ball or anything, but 13 do you feel as if they are going to do -- What 14 are they going to do with this if they can ' t -- 15 you know, 16 lots, you can ' t put, you know, a 16 quarter million dollar lift station in there for 17 that . 18 What ' s the long-term plan on that? 19 MR. MURPHY : Yeah, we have to be 20 , optimistic, you know. Personally I ' d like to see 21 ' a longer extension than the 2023 because you know 22 how time flies with the -- in what we ' ve seen for 23 the last ten years or so, so that is definitely a 24 : challenge, you know. Vitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 27 1 Does the property next door -- I 2 mean, there ' s -- There are so many developed lots 3 and home sites at this point in time that that 4 really needs to be plated, and it really is going 5 to depend on how vigorous the sales go for 6 everybody . 7 But nonetheless , yeah, if you ' re 8 adding that lift station, probably adds $30, 000 9 plus or minus us to every single home site and it 10 just -- you know, we wouldn ' t be able to sell 11 them at that point . 12 So whether it ' s, you know, working 13 with the neighbor or, you know, somehow 14 development happens next door or at some point 15 maybe it becomes worthwhile to do that, but 16 three years is going to go by quickly, we know 17 that . 18 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Yeah. 19 MR. MURPHY : Three extra years, 2023 , 20 it ' s four plus . 21 CHAIRMAN HARKER: So the south -- the 22 neighbors to the south or adjoining neighbors 23 down there, they ' re going to be -- if they put in 24 a subdivision or something, that would flow to Tlitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cros.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 28 1 your lift station then, it would make it more 2 cost effective to put it in to go, right, 3 something like that? 4 MR. MURPHY : From what I understand, it 5 think it becomes more of a gravity situation . I 6 think, you know, generally we try to avoid lift 7 stations . I think even the city tries to avoid 8 those where they can . 9 So it usually just takes -- it ' s 10 worthwhile to take advantage of gravity, and how 11 that plays out, again, depends on the market, how 12 hot the real estate market is over the next few 13 years, and, you know, even today there ' s recovery 14 to some extent, it ' s not what it was in 2004 or 15 2003, it just -- when I ' m sure this was in the 16 planning . 17 MS . NOBLE : Can I add something to the 18 conversation? 19 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Yeah, absolutely . 20 MS . NOBLE : So originally the project 21 had two phases -- actually three, so it was the 22 single family, then there was the towns, which 23 would be the townhome development, then there was 24 a commercial piece to it . Vitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail.com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 29 1 After the property was lost through 2 foreclosure and it was purchased by CalAtlantic, 3 CalAtlantic purchased only the residential 4 portion, you don' t have a commercial portion, 5 correct? 6 MR. MURPHY : I don ' t believe so . 7 MS . NOBLE : They don ' t have a commercial 8 portion and they did not do the unplatted, which 9 is the townhome portion . 10 So if the project would have 11 developed the original course , what would have 12 happened is the second phase, which is the towns , 13 would be developed and then they would have 14 addressed that gravity issue in some form or 15 fashion, but because they don ' t own that 16 property, in order to supply the sanitary sewer 17 to this location, they would probably have to 18 lose about three or four lots to do the lift 19 station on-site, and then -- 20 MR. MURPHY : That ' s -- I think that ' s 21 accurate . So I was talking to Al Eriksson today 22 on the way here because he is infinitely more 23 knowledgeable about the site, but we were 24 projecting you might lose two or three home jiitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cros .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 30 1 sites, so even take that number on each home 2 site, it ' s even a bigger number . 3 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Sure . 4 MS . NOBLE : And we tried to work some -- 5 they had gone through the process of getting a 6 fabricator to do the pump, lift station pump, we 7 worked with them a couple -- for about a year or 8 so to kind of get this going and we just realized 9 it just wasn ' t going to happen. 10 The reason why we are limiting it to 11 the 2023 date is because the city ' s practice has 12 been not to go beyond 20 years with contracts . 13 Legally we can ' t go beyond 20 years 14 for annexation agreements . We can go a little 15 bit further with PUD ' s, but we have tried to 16 stick with that policy of not going longer than 17 20 years . 18 The original development was 19 approved in June, 2000, and then when they added 20 more lots to create a larger subdivision, it was 21 ' approved in 2002 , so we ' re trying to kind of be 22 mindful of that, that timeframe . 23 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Excellent . Anybody 24 else have any questions regarding that? Uitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail . com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 31 1 No response . ) 2 CHAIRMAN HARKER: No? Okay. Excellent . 3 Thank you . 4 MR. MURPHY : Thank you for listening . 5 Thank you . 6 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. Mr . Kramer? 7 Going back to PZC 2018-18 , anybody 8 have any questions regarding the -- So really 9 what you ' re requesting is just that -- or what 10 you are proposing is that we just go until 11 February with this? 12 MR. KRAMER: I think that makes the most 13 sense -- 14 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Yes . 15 MR . KRAMER : -- because then we would 16 see if anyone is here from the audience and you 17 would have additional comments back from EDC . 18 I mean, I can ' t presuppose what the 19 EDC members are going to say about Casey' s, if 20 they say gee, you know, 12 times and you ' ve 21 really done what we ' ve asked you to do, let ' s go 22 ahead the way the property sits, I mean, if 23 Casey ' s won ' t work with us -- and they ' re a fine 24 neighbor, we have no objection to them -- we Vitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail.com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 32 1 think we ' ve got a right to go ahead . 2 Again, maybe on sober reflection it 3 should have been platted a little bit different 4 at the time, but if we couldn ' t build, it would 5 be an inverse condemnation, it would be a taking, 6 nobody wants that . 7 The city would rather have sales 8 tax, property taxes, so we ' re just hoping we can 9 work with Casey ' s and keep the city council 10 happy, and again, we don ' t think the ten foot 11 would hurt anybody, but, you know, that ' s up for 12 you and the city council to decide . You just get 13 a smaller building and we think a little bit 14 larger is more useful . 15 So I think February is fine . 16 MR . MARCUM: So are you contemplating a 17 two-story or three-story building? 18 MR. KRAMER : If we got the ten-foot 19 setback, they think two will do . If we didn ' t 20 get the ten-foot setback, they would probably in 21 all honesty do a three, Don . 22 MR. MARCUM: I see something in here 23 about remodeling spaces for parking doing a 24 three-story building, the paved area -- itosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 . 2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 33 1 MR. KRAMER : Well, again, it would be 2 a -- 3 MR. MARCUM: A smaller building . 4 MR . KRAMER : -- smaller building, so 5 they would still have square footage enough and 6 could probably meet the parking, so that ' s where 7 it ties in as well, the square footage building 8 to the parking ratio . 9 MR. MARCUM: I didn ' t even realize 10 there was enough space next to Casey' s to do 11 anything . I was going to go by on the way here, 12 but I was a little tardy, so I didn ' t do that, 13 but . . . 14 MR. KRAMER: As I say, it ' s slim, but as 15 Greg worked out, and Krysti and Jason reviewed, 16 they can meet all the front and side setbacks, 17 the landscaping on 34 , everything lays out there, 18 but they ' ve got to be creative on the design of 19 the building . 20 MR. OLSON : I would prefer a full 21 comprehensive packet for the work on it . 22 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Yeah. Yeah . 23 MR. MARCUM: So not going to do 24 anything with that median on McHugh that ' s so Vitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cms.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 34 1 annoying? 2 MR. KRAMER: It was interesting . We 3 made some comments about that because all of us 4 here I think at one time or another, I would 5 hope, being local, have gone either to 6 Blackstone or maybe have kids at the day care 7 center or any of the businesses on Veteran ' s 8 Parkway, I think it ' s ' s an absolute abominable 9 traffic flow, where you ' re directing traffic 10 around in front of a day care center with parents 11 and grandparents taking kids in and out, and 12 staff was good, they said gee, if you guys would 13 like to fund a traffic study to tell us how to do 14 it, we would listen . 15 MR. MARCUM: Well, I think that ' s a 16 splendid idea, Mr . Kramer . Why don ' t we go ahead 17 and do that? 18 Because I live at Park and McHugh, I 19 go down McHugh all the time . That irritating jog 20 and stuff, and then to get in and get out is just 21 annoying . 22 MR. KRAMER: Well, and have you ever 23 seen traffic backed up so far on McHugh that it ' s 24 sitting out in Route 34 , and I know that was long liitosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cros .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 35 1 before this group was here , that was the fear of 2 the original city engineer at the time, and I 3 think it ' s come to pass, so I feel a little bit 4 like for the traffic study, we ' re paying somebody 5 10, 000 to borrow my wristwatch and tell me what 6 time it is . 7 I mean, I think staff could go over, 8 somebody from the police department, and watch 9 the traffic, and there is enough space to stack 10 and cut that median so people can go right 11 into -- or left into Veteran ' s Parkway, but 12 again, along with that, I ' m hoping our driveway 13 could be down by Casey' s because then there ' s 14 never going to be, you know, a problem with 15 stacking, where if our driveway isn ' t with 16 Casey ' s, it ' s more in the middle, okay, then 17 maybe, you know, if there were three cars trying 18 to getting in ours at once , you could have a 19 little problem, but I 'm with you, I think that 20 median should be cut or make a drive-over 21 median, but that ' s just an editorial comment . 22 Nobody has asked me to -- Well, yeah, they did. 23 They asked us to pay for a traffic study. 24 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Awesome . Okay. Thank 1"itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cros .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 36 1 you, Mr . Kramer . 2 MR. KRAMER: So we ' ll see you in 3 February . And, again, if for whatever reason we 4 need more time with Casey' s or EDC, we ' re going 5 to republish anyway, so it could even be March. 6 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Okay. 7 MR . KRAMER: You ' ll see us again . Thank 8 you very much . 9 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Thank you, Mr . Kramer . 10 Okay. Moving on to the brewery . 11 Any questions? 12 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : How much field 13 work did you two do on this? 14 MS . NOBLE : Well, we knew it was 15 something that had to be done, but we -- we 16 got some feelers that it ' s something that may 17 come to the city and we just wanted to be 18 ' prepared . 19 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : Okay . How much 20 field work did you two do? 21 MS . NOBLE : Oh. That would be probably 22 Jason . 23 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : Jason? 24 MR. ENGBERG: None . Krysti did it . Iiitosh1teporting Service 815. 993 . 2832 cros.vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 37 1 MS . NOBLE : No, it ' s not my thing . Not 2 my thing . 3 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Okay. Awesome . And 4 then the food truck, does anybody have any 5 questions regarding the food trucks text 6 amendment? 7 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON: Is the ordinance 8 for -- I ' ve been to a party in Yorkville before 9 where they had a taco tent in somebody ' s 10 driveway, right, where somebody had three girls 11 and they were just churning them out, it was a 12 commercial venture and they packed up the tent at 13 the end and left . 14 Where does a food truck start and a 15 taco tent end? Is it merely the truck? 16 MS . NOBLE : So, yes , there are a couple 17 of things . The food truck itself is an accessory 18 use . Vehicles can sometimes create a land use in 19 themselves, not just a building, so we were 20 trying to address how services are being provided 21 in the city and regulated . 22 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : Does a tent? 23 MS . NOBLE : A tent would not because 24 think about it, we don ' t regulate lemonade l2itosh Reporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms.vitosh@gmail . com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 38 1 stands, it ' s more temporary . 2 The use is not -- Even if it were 3 commercial in nature, it ' s not creating a land 4 impact to the site, it ' s in the driveway, but if 5 you have a vehicle which can be stationary and 6 parked somewhere, either on public or private 7 property, we do regulate that . 8 I think the tent -- if the health 9 department is not involved, then we would 10 probably not be . 11 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : Then the bond, do 12 they have a bond if you' re not in the 13 right-of-way, but not a bond if you ' re in the 14 right-of-way? 15 MS . NOBLE : Yes, because what happens 16 when you are in the right-of-way, you assume your 17 liability is your vehicle insurance . 18 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : Oh, okay. 19 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Excellent . Okay. 20 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON : All the pictures 21 are fantastic . 22 MS . NOBLE : Thank Jason. That ' s Jason, 23 all Jason . 24 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Great job . Since all Vitosh Deporting Service 815. 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail . com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 39 1 the testimony and questions have been taken, can 2 I get a motion to close out of the public hearing 3 portion of tonight ' s Planning and Zoning 4 Commission meeting? 5 MR . VINYARD : So moved. 6 MR. MARCUM: Second. 7 CHAIRMAN HARKER: Can I get a roll call 8 vote on the motion, please? 9 MS . YOUNG: Yes . 10 Marcum. 11 MR. MARCUM: Yes . 12 MS . YOUNG: Olson . 13 VICE-CHAIRMAN OLSON: Yes . 14 MS . YOUNG : Vinyard . 15 MR. VINYARD : Yes . 16 MS . YOUNG: Goins . 17 MS . GOINS : Yes . 18 MS . YOUNG : Harker . 19 CHAIRMAN HARKER : Yes . 20 Awesome . Okay. 21 Which were all the 22 proceedings had in the 23 public hearing portion 24 of the meeting . ) Uitosh Reporting Service 815 . 993 .2832 cms .vitosh@gmail .com PZC - January 9, 2019 - Public Hearing 40 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) SS . 2 COUNTY OF LASALLE ) 3 I, Christine M. Vitosh, a Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter, do hereby certify that I transcribed 5 the proceedings had at the public hearing and 6 that the foregoing, Pages 1 through 40, 7 inclusive, is a true, correct and complete 8 computer-generated transcript of the proceedings 9 had at the time and place aforesaid . 10 I further certify that my certificate annexed 11 hereto applies to the original transcript and 12 copies thereof, signed and certified under my 13 hand only . I assume no responsibility for the 14 accuracy of any reproduced copies not made under 15 my control or direction . 16 As certification thereof, I have hereunto set 17 my hand this 3rd day February, A. D. , 2019 . 18 19 20 Christine M. 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