City Council Minutes 2003 04-29-03 Special Meeting MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE,
KENDALL COUNTY, ILLINOIS,
HELD IN THE BEECHER CENTER, 800 GAME FARM ROAD. ON TUESDAY, APRIL
29, 2003.
Mayor Prochaska called the meeting to order at 7:03 P.M and led the Council in the Pledge of
Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Clerk Milschewski called the roll.
Ward I James Present (arrived 7:20)
Sticka Present
Ward H Burd Absent
Kot Present
Ward Ill Anderson Present
Munns Absent
Ward IV Besco Absent
Spears Present
Also present: City Clerk Milschewski, City Administrator Graff, City Attorney Kramer, Police
Chief Martin, Finance Director Traci Pleckham, Director of Public Works Dhuse, and Executive
Director of Parks & Recreation Brown
OUORUM
A quorum was established.
SPECIAL CENSUS CONTRACT WITH THE US CENSUS BUREAU
A motion was made by Alderwoman Spears to approve the Memorandum of Understanding
between the United City of Yorkville and the United States of America, Department of
Commerce, Bureau of the Census; seconded by Alderman Kot.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -0
Sticka -aye, Anderson -aye, Kot -aye, Spears -aye, Prochaska -aye
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to go into public hearing for PC 2001 -06 Grande Reserve:
MPI -2 Yorkville North LLC, MPI -2 Yorkville Central LLC and MPI -2 Yorkville South LLC,
petitioners, have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting annexation to
the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to United City
of Yorkville R -2 Planned Unit Development. The real property consists of approximately
1, 127.30 acres and is located south of Galena Road and north of Route 34, Bristol Township,
Kendall County, Illinois. So moved by Alderman Kot; seconded by Alderman Anderson.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -0
Anderson -aye, Kot -aye, Spears -aye, Sticka -aye, Prochaska -aye
Please see attached Report of Proceedings taken before Nicola Gengler, C.S.R. from Depo Court
Reporting Service for the transcription of the public hearing.
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to close the public hearing. So moved by Alderman
Anderson; seconded by Alder Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -0
James -aye, Kot -aye, Spears -aye, Sticka -aye, Anderson -aye
Mayor Prochaska opened the floor for comments from the City Council.
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Alderwoman Spears thanked the citizens for attending the hearing and contributing input. She
commented that she formally lived in the area the citizens represent and she acknowledged their
concerns. She also stated that she believed that the developer was putting forth a good effort to
work with those affected by the development.
Alderman Anderson addressed the citizen's concerns regarding schools by explaining that other
developers are also considering contributing school sites. Mayor Prochaska added that the City is
taking direction from the School District regarding land, cash or a combination or both.
There were no other comments from the City Council.
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Mayor Prochaska explained the next steps in the annexation process. He stated that the
annexation will next be discussed at the Administration Committee meeting on May 8, 2003.
Also being discussed at that meeting are the impact fees being collected from developers. From
there it will be sent to the Economic Development Committee meeting on May 15, 2003. After
that he indicated that he was not sure where the annexation would proceed to. He indicated that
there was no set date when the matter would be before the City Council for a vote.
Mayor Prochaska thanked everyone who attended the hearing for their input and community
spirit.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Prochaska entertained a motion to adjourn. So moved by Alderman Anderson; seconded
by Alderwoman Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -0
James -aye, Sticka -aye, Kot -aye, Anderson -aye, Spears -aye
Meeting adjourned at 8:50 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Jacquelyn Milschewski,
City Clerk City of Yorkville, Illinois
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In the Matter of:
SPECIAL MEETING
FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PC2001 -06
GRAND RESERVE
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had and testimony
taken at the hearing of the above - entitled matter,
taken before Nicola Gengler, C.S.R., No. 84 -3780, on
April 29, 2003, at the hour of 7:00 p.m., at 908 Game
Farm Road, Yorkville, Illinois.
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PRESENT:
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(Pledge of Allegiance.)
MAYOR ARTHUR F. PROCHASKA;
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Roll call.
MR. MIKE ANDERSON, Alderman;
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: James?
MS. JACKIE MILSCHEWSKI, City Clerk;
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Sticka?
MR. PAUL JAMES, Alderman;
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MR. STICKA: Here.
MR. LARRY KOT, Alderman;
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MS. MILSC-IEWSKI: Burd?
MR. RICHARD STICKA, Alderman;
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Kot?
MS. ROSE SPEARS, Alderuoaan;
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MR. KOT: Here.
and
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Anderson?
LAW OFFICES OF DANIEL J. KRAMER
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MR. ANDERSON: Here.
1107A South Bridge Street
Yorkville, Illinois 60560
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MS. MILSC-IEWSKI: Munns?
BY: MR. DANIEL J. KRAMER,
appeared on behalf of The United City of
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Yorkville.
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MS. SPEARS: Here.
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: We do have a quorum so we
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will continue.
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I would like to call the meeting to
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order. It is April 29. This first item on the agenda
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is a motion to approve a special census contract with
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the U.S. Census Bureau.
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Ms. Spears, would you like to make
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that motion.
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MS. SPEARS: I will make the motion to
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approve the memorandum of understanding between the
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United City of Yorkville and the United States of
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approximately 1,127.30 acres and is located south of
America, Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census.
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Galena Road and north of Route 34, Bristol Township,
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Second.
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Kendall County, Illinois.
Move to accept the motion. Roll
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MR. KOT: So moved.
call, please.
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MR. ANDERSON: Second.
MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Sticka?
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Moved and seconded.
MR. STICKA: Aye.
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Roll call, please.
MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Anderson?
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MS. MIL.SCHEWSKI: Anderson?
MR. ANDERSON: Aye.
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MR. ANDERSON: Aye.
MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Kot?
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Rot?
MR. KOT: Aye.
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MR. KOT: Aye.
MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears?
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears?
MS. SPEARS: Aye.
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MS. SPEARS: Aye.
MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Mayor Prochaska?
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Sticka?
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Aye. Motion is carried.
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MR. STIC A: Aye.
Next I would entertain a motion to
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Mayor?
go to public hearing for PC2001 -06, Grand Reserve,
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Aye.
MPI -2 Yorkville North, LLC!, MPI -2 Yorkville
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All right. We are now in public
Central, LLC, and MPI -2 Yorkville South, LLC
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hearing. The thing I would ask people to remember is
Petitioners have filed an application with the United
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we do have a court reporter here taking testimony. So
City of Yorkville requesting annexation to the United
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it is very important that only one person talk at a
City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall County A -1
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Agriculture to United City of Yorkville R -2, Planned
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We will go through -- I believe our
Unit Development. The real property consists of
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attorney will explain it to you. We will ask the
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1 developer to give a short presentation what they plan
2 on doing. Then we will open the floor. I do have five
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able to get it all down and for the reporter.
Dan?
MR. KRAMER: Thank you.
Good evening. Basically under
Illinois Law when we propose to annex property to a
municipality such as the United City of Yorkville, we
are required to hold a public hearing on any proposed
or intended written annexation or planned unit
development agreement. We have had a draft agreement
on file at the City for approximately the last three
weeks, and the purpose of this meeting tonight is to
take questions in regard to the agreement and comments;
and then we go back with our staff; and frankly from
the agreement that is being presented by the developer,
we will have many, many changes and comments to add.
So we work with the developer and put in what the City
wants as well.
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focus is on the agreement itself. We look forward to
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MR. ZWEMKE: Good evening. My name is Art
Zwemke, and I am here on behalf of the MPI Development.
I am president and CEO of Moser Enterprises.
We are pleased to be here this
evening in front of the City Council as well as all of
our hopefully future neighbors. This is probably now
about the 50th meeting that we have had. Attorney
Kramer has mentioned the public hearings, but what we
have also done over the last several months is Trot with
staff, consultants, various members of different
committees here to pull this together.
What we are here for tonight as has
been stated is to try to give you a brief overview,
show you some of the refinements that we have made to
the plan and then take some input from you so that we
can move forward.
So with that, we have a brief slide
show; and if you can -- maybe we can dim the lights
just a little bit. Would that be all right? Let's go
to the first slide -- second slide I guess.
Just to give you an overview of the
location of the property, we are north on Galena Road.
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2 hearings in the last several months, and the difference
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4 than the one tonight is the previous public hearing
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7 property will be developed. So, again, the focus of
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21 earlier hearings, the project is by no means to what we
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1 The property is along the Oswego - Yorkville border. It
2 is bordered by Route 34 on the south. That is better.
3 Is that okay for everybody? Now, I know where I am,
4 and on the west side, we are adjacent to the Hinsdale
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for an age - targeted buyer, an erpty- nester buyer.
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those would have to average 13,800.
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The yellow areas that are shown with
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So if you take all of these
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different lots, those are single- family home sites.
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single - family home sites in Neighborhoods 9 through 19,
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There is a couple of green areas there that are for
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those average 12,819, so almost 13,000 square feet.
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townhomes. There is also three areas there for
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duplexes, and there is one area for apartments.
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neighborhood, and this is a little blowup of one of the
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cul -de -sacs. It is kind of a pinwheel design. This is
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of the 1,129 acres, there is about 628 that are
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the state,of the art in terms of land planning where
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designated for the residential. This density of
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homes are clustered together for the benefit of
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2.35 per acre is well below the standards that are on
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creating more open space.
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the books at the City of Yorkville. So we are well
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So this targeted buyer that we are
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within those guidelines.
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looking at, we want them to be in a maintenance -free
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type of lifestyle. We have agreed to four different
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things that we have expressed is a desire here to have
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criteria. Is that on the next slide, Deb?
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larger than average lot sizes, and we have three
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Go back then. I can articulate it.
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different varieties of a 10,000, 11,000 and 12,000
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There is four criteria that we agreed to when we went
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square foot lot. one of the criteria that has worked
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through with the Planning Cormission. One of them is
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well for us in the past and we are proposing this in
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that all the master bedrooms have to be on the first
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the future is that, in order to have nice curved
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floor. So that is really targeting to more of an
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streets and not have a grid -like plan, what we are
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empty - nester buyer. only 20 percent of them can be
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proposing here is the lot size would be 115 percent of
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two-story omes. Again, that is ry g targeted to that
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the average. So if you can do the math in your head, a
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empty - nester buyer.
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10,000 square foot minimum would have to average
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11,500. If you have a 12,000 square foot home site,
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So it is predominantly two bedroom, and the third
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on the lower part is probably in the $450,000 range.
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criteria which is a little corplicated but it makes
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Next slide. We also have a good
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some sense is that the minimum monthly payment that a
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representation here of what is called attached home
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homeowner would make to an association could be no less
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sites. To the upper left is a townhome type of
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product. This kind of design is one that has the
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garages in the rear. It is called a motor court type
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to steer the market into this type of buyer and not
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of product. The one to its right is another type of
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prorate something that has large families; and so if
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townhcme that has the garage in the front. The lower
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somebody is facing $150 -a -month payment, the likelihood
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left is a duplex that is a two - family home. That is a
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is that that is going to be an empty- nester buyer and
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ranch style that perhaps an enpty- nester would like or
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not somebody that is using that for a mortgage payment.
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a two-story type ype of a two- family home.
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Next. This is a representative
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sample of the different types of housing styles that we
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rendering or actually a photograph of an existing
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contenplate. Up to the left are these enpty- nester
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apartment development, and these are really attractive
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type of homes. You can see a couple of ranch hones.
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these days for people that just chose to rent. There
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is a lot of enpty- nesters in here that like this
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square foot lots where we have a couple of one -acre
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lifestyle because it is no maintenance. So we are
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hone sites, you can see the homes get more detailed.
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looking at that kind of a neighborhood.
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There is more interesting elevations. The hones are
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Yorkville that you folks as well as we do really
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appreciate the open space. So one of the things that
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to have different market segments at different price
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we have really tried to harmer home through all of the
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points. A home on the upper left there is probably in
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meetings is the amount of open space that is being
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the $200,000 to $250,000 range. The one in the middle
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provided. So this first slide shows 122 acres in
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several different categories. Primarily we are showing
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green space that will be preserved. There is buffers
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this slide to indicate which areas would be improved.
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around each of the neighborhoods so that we lower the
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By that, what we are proposing is
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impact with the residents that are already there at
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that we do donate $1,000 per home site for park
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Lynwood and River Ridge and Storybrook Highlands.
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improvements. Oftentimes you will see a development
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came in where land is donated for recreation but there
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open space is 438 acres. That is nearly 40 percent of
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is no dollars that are set aside for the improvements.
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the acreage. So we exceed all the standards that the
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Not only are we donating the land and we exceed the
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City has prescribed, but we also exceed the typical
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standards by some 65 acres, but we are also donating
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type of co comity. We realize here that we really have
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the money in order to improve these recreational areas.
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something special with the Blackberry Creek impacting
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the property, and we are really trying to enhance that.
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the regional park area. That can be a tremendous
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amenity for the ccmTLmity as a whole as well as the
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future residents.
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proposal for $2,650,000 for park and trail
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improvements.
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here is not only are we improving the open space and
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those 122 acres, but we also have another 315 acres of
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are looking at approximately seven miles of trails.
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space that we are reserving. There is no intent here
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to do any improvements on them. In the lower left
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community and then some plans here for a regional type
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corner there, the big Blackberry Creek Conservation
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of a trail system. Somebody asked me before the
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area, that is about 88 acres. That is right along the
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meeting tonight can we go on this trail. They live
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creek. That would be a great regional amenity that
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next door to us; and, of course, it is open to the
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could also add to the community.
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public. This isn't a private trail; but the long -term
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plans here are to connect the ccmminities; and so we'd
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is nearly $3,800,000; and in addition to that, we will
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be paying a transition fee of $3,000 per house -- that
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center that has about 12 acres for an elementary
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must be Fluffy that just came in here, big dog.
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school, and we are also working on a possible campus of
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So the total that goes to the school
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about 65 acres. We have about 25 of those. We are
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district is about $12,416,000. In addition to that --
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working with the property owner that is the Hinsdale
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and this is a very important point -- is that at
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Nursery who has about 40 acres that would make for an
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buildout, the real estate taxes that would be earmarked
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ideal campus. They also have some open space that
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for the school district would be over $8 million a
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would be behind that a little bit to the north and the
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year, and that is a very important thing because it is
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west, and so the conservation area could be well over
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based upon the mix of the homes that we are proposing
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100 acres if we are able to put that together.
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product that we talked about and the attached product
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discretion of the school district. That is not at the
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as well as the single family. We feel like we have a
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discretion of the City Council, but we are certainly
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very strong mix and that this would be an asset to the
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taking into account all the recommendations.
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Yorkville School District which we know is all
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important about community.
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a value there for the land that is being donated. If
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the school district, for example, decides that they
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that is that we are surrounded by roads. As a marketer
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don't want the land, then we would have to provide them
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in the residential business, you want to have a window
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with cash. It is called cash in lieu of a donation.
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so that people can see you and find you, but along with
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that comes a lot of responsibility and we certainly
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Galena you saw is around $300,000.
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a federal mandate, and so we will accommodate that with
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these two wells. We will also connect with the rest of
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the town. So we will run a line up Galena Road to
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about $5,200,000. One of the things that we have
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connect to Galena and 47, and there will be another
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line that will nun along Route 34.
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been asked about these wells and what impact they have
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would be approved, there would be a contribution of
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engineering firm that works well with the consultants
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that the City has retained. So we can assure you here
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that conditions would be better after this development
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talking about is at least 1,500 feet deep. That gets
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nice clear water, but it also opens up the radium
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other one along Route 34.
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the City has established, nearly 630 acres. So over
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half of that is designated for residential. The open
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improvements is a little over $8 million. The two
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space, again, is around 40 percent. We have a nice mix
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wells you will see on the top line. The well house,
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of single - family apartments, townhomes and duplexes.
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a water main that connects one well to the other for
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rather than having all one size hone, one size lot, and
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treatment. The tower is $2.3 million and the off -site
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providing different product.
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connects is $1.2 million. So there is $8 million that
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experienced the flood of 1 96. This is a little
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and the roads we are somewhere in the vicinity of $44
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illustration of the analysis so far for where the storm
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to $46 million worth of infrastructure that will
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water flowed. We are required by law and also good
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estate taxes that these homes and the small ccrtmercial
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in Bristol Ridge Subdivision.
area would generate. The projections would be about a
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This subdivision was originated in
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1961 and consists of three - quarter acre lots. The
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restriction for the building here was low -flow
over $8 million a year to the school district.
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two -story homes, only one or one and a half story,
Next -- and I am done. What we'd
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bi -level or tri -level homes. We were allowed a minimum
like to do is turn up the lights, turn the microphone
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of 1,000 square feet of year -round living spaces
back over I guess to the Council and entertain any
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exclusive of porches, open breezeways and garages.
questions; and we will see if we can answer them here
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We do not have sidewalks. We have
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our own wells, but we are concerned because we have no
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guarantees that our wells and water will remain at the
by the request forms that were handed in. They will
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current levels and quality.
speak first. After that, we will open the floor to
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Any new homes built along Bristol
anyone else who has any questions on the issue.
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Ridge Road should be required to be three - quarter acres
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have not signed in, please do so before you leave
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on the west of River Ridge Road.
tonight. We register your attendance here this
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River Ridge and nearby Lynwood
evening.
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subdivisions will be dwarfed by the massive two -story
The first speaker is Lois Seaton.
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home on small lots in Grand Reserve. Some lots in
Lois, do you want to come up and use the microphone so
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Lynwood are one acre. That is larger than ours, and we
everybody will hear you.
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propose three - quarter acre lots in Grand Reserve.
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husband, Gerald, and I own a residence and a vacant lot
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fees for eight years. We oppose the holding of
on Bristol Ridge Road between Kennedy Road and Route 34
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MS. SEATON: Thanks.
What does Kendall County do for the
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This is a precious time for Kendall
senior citizens or any homeowners? They sock it to us
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County. It is up to the City Council, the Planning
in taxes.
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Comnission and Kendall County officials to determine if
My husband and I are 73 years old.
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Kendall County will become another Chicago or
Why did I pay $1,588 in taxes for something I don't
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Naperville. Now is the time for sensible decisions.
even use. I am willing to support the County, Bristol
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Please protect Kendall County. Thank you.
Township and the fire department. Why do I pay $525 on
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a vacant lot for school district, Waubonsee Junior
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College, forest preserve, county health, mental health?
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MR. KECK: My name is Jack Keck. I live in
This seems like there is something wrong here.
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River Ridge Subdivision. I have been there for about
I would certainly welcome a complex
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like Alden of Waterford like what is located on
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Just a few quick currents and couple
Montgomery Road behind Copley Hospital instead of such
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of questions. One of the questions you answered about
a massive development like Grand Reserve. I understand
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the deep well, and I understand you are going to use a
that MPI has also developed in Grand Park which we
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filtering system versus shallow wells to offset the
viewed the other day, one day this week, in the area of
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radium. That definitely was a concern because there is
Steward Road, Route 126, 135th Street and Route 30, and
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all wells through the River Ridge Subdivision which
I am wondering if that is also Kendall County.
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would be affected by the shallow wells.
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Another concern is traffic. You are
MS. SEATON: Is all of it Kendall County?
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proposing to go through River Ridge Subdivision. You
MR. ZWEMKE: All but 80 acres.
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are cutting three roads through that subdivision. It
MS. SEATON: How many acres are there?
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looks like a majority of the traffic coming back from
MR. ZWEMKE: 885.
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MR. KECK: Is that a ground level tower?
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subdivision of a rural area -- a lot of us moved here
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M. ZWEMKE: It is going to be high.
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to be in that type of a setting -- you are going to
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MR. KOCK: How high would it be?
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turn that into nothing but gridlock in there.
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M. ZWEMKE: 120 feet.
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You are going to have a stop sign or
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a stop light I assume at Bristol Ridge Road and 34.
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questions, just a quick comment though.
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Oaklawn which is the street closest to, parallel to 34,
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there is a stop sign there now. I assume that stop
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sign will continue to be there. Any traffic coming
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the people in this room moved here for some of the same
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down Bristol Ridge Road will back up far past Oaklawn
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reasons I did. It was to move away from the thing you
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are bringing to us right now. You are going to bring
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coming down Oaklawn to go back up into that
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subdivision. It will be a mess in there.
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you are moving back around me, and I know I understand
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you can't stay in the way of supposedly progress, but I
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have a water tower proposed; and I see your charts in
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allow to happen here and the scale that is going to
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number you were going to throw in there all in one
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visualize the intersection, right here at the
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to the people that lived here for a long time. These
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the Bristol Township Planning Commission is as follows:
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two bordering right up against the back of my yard.
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Good evening, I am Bob Mitchler, a
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member of the Bristol Township Planning Commission. I
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We feel that Bristol Township is the
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MR. MITCHLER: Fbr the record, my name is
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to make sure that it remains a special place and that
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Robert Mitchler. My wife Helen and I have resided at
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the concerns of all who live within the township are
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7542 Route 34 West with an Oswego, Illinois address
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incorporated into development decisions. In other
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since -- well, this is our 50th year that we have lived
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counties too often we see divisive fighting among
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on this property. So we watched the growth near the
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competing jurisdictions, and the views of those outside
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development.
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I am representing tonight as a
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All members of the Township Planning
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member of the Bristol Township Planning Commission.
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Commission are grateful that the City of Yorkville has
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The Bristol Township supervisors and trustees recognize
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welcomed our participation and input into development
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that this was the largest development to come into
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decisions. Briefly we are focusing on three
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Bristol Township, and they reactivated their Bristol
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overarching issues. Two relate to the Grand Reserve
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Township Planning Commission. Our commission will be
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meeting with the Planning Commission of the City of
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Yorkville and listening and talking with dialog and
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transportation. Now, with careful transportation
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communicate back and forth some of the concerns and the
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planning tightly coordinated among the cities, the
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comments of the residents of the Township, and that is
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county, the state and the township, growth does not
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huge impact on Bristol Ridge Road, Kennedy Road, U.S.
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field this year, for the highway, they would not impact
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Route 34, Route 47 and Galena Road.
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the homeowners that are now residing there and have
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Other projects will also impact
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lived there for, as I said, 50 years on up. If that is
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these roads. Now is the time to plan, fund and
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not done, it will cause the destruction of trees and
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implement the expansion of these roads and stop lights
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natural life all through the area.
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at key intersections: U.S. Route 34 and Bristol Ridge
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quality, quantity flooding from storm water runoff and
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Because Bristol Township is a
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waste water. Obsolete are the ideas that storm water
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desirable place for development, we do not need to
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needs to be collected in drains and ultimately pushed
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subsidize growth. Development should also pay for its
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off the development or the wastewater needs to be
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impact on the roads. Grand Reserve should be donating
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treated and then dumped into a river or creek where it
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land for future road improvements and commit to pay for
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impacts fish, wildlife and downstream homeowners.
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its fair share of the cost of these improvements.
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Developments can use this water in their open space
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A little comment that I will inject
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Grand Reserve contemplates having a
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good amount of open space. We would like to know more
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circumvent the Grand Reserve development. We have
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about what Grand Reserve is doing to implement these
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roads existing there now. If they should be widened
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up -to -date views on water uses.
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from two lane to four lane, there should be no impact
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on the existing property owners that are bordering
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is critical for Yorkville and Montgomery to have a
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those roads, those three sections. If that could be
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boundary agreement. The lessons from towns to the east
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eliminated by the Grand Reserve donating land that now
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I noticed, again, tonight the square
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and offering tax and other development incentives to
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feet of the Neighborhoods 1, 2 and 3 are, again, not
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get a project or parcel into its town instead of the
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mentioned. My question to the City is, if
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Neighborhoods 1, 2 and 3 were brought before the Board
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These development incentives are
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for annexation, would they met your minimum lot size;
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paid for by we property tax payers. The Oamnission
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and if they do not, why are they acceptable as part of
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welcomes Yorkville's decision to restart boundary
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a big project where the neighborhood next to it are
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discussions. We think it is a good idea to hold them
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three - quar ters of an acre and up.
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at the neutral site of the Bristol Township building.
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been in this plan -- and it doesn't look like it -- to
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negotiations to present the concerns of the
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allow for expansion access before they impact Kennedy.
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unincorporated residents and possible help to
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Actually the golf course has numerous accidents going
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facilitate or mediate the disputes between Yorkville
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through their fence. We would appreciate you
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and Montgomery.
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straightening up the road. I do not see any road
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straightening involved with the maps.
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the opportunity to appear and thank you, very much, for
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listening.
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now before these homes come in, is there going to be
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room left to straighten out the mess we have created
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and added many, many more cars to the subdivisions and
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included expansion of the four lanes on some of the
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speaking tonight as a citizen.
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what input are we as neighbors going to be looking out
Bristol Township has talked to great
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extent about our road impact now, and we don't have
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input into the development of these backyards so we can
even Grand Reserve in it. We want the Yorkville City
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be good neighbors back, and we don't feel like we have
Council to please be considerate of expansion further.
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ruined our property values for homes that were built
To do it after the fact, the expense would be
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easement to do the expansion with. We need to address
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Thank you, Debbie.
fix what we have done.
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MR. COWHEY: Sorry. I signed in in error.
water management, Storybrook Highlands has a central
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MAYOR PROCHASKA,: With that, those were
I want assurance that with all the chemicals and
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the -- those that had asked to speak.
runoff, that a lot more hones in the area will not
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affect our quality of water.
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We are concerned a little bit with
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some of the setbacks of their buffers. Who would be
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providing maintenance? I realize these are not final
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drafts; but in your consideration of annexation -- we
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are glad for the buffers. We are excited they are
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name and your address because we do need that for the
there, but what maintenance is going to be to them, and
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Reserve and its inpact, that would be fine.
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I often hear people talking about why such a big
So at this point, is there someone
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development, and I don't work for MPI. I don't get
else that would like to address the Council?
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anything for this; but if the farmer wants to sell his
MS. WELZ: My name is Lisa Welz. I live at
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property as is his right, the City can't stop a farmer
412 Norway Circle in Yorkville. I have been there for
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from selling his property no matter who he wants to
just over a year; but before that, I lived for 14 years
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sell it to.
in the Lynwood Subdivision which Grand Reserve has a
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boundary with, and I have a number of comments.
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how they manage it. I think they are really giving it
You might not like them but call me
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every effort and doing a good job, and I have a lot of
a devil's advocate considering what we have heard, but
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faith in them, and I think we have to remember that not
all and all I really think that this is a well
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everyone is going to be happy. I mean, you just can't
thought -out plan. I think that people really need to
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make everybody happy.
keep in mind that if this property was developed by a
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number of smaller developers, we wouldn't have nearly
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consider strongly widening 34 to four lanes now before
as much in terms of parks and open space dedicated
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that goes through. It's been my understanding over the
because there wouldn't be the money involved to do
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last few years that the easements have been purchased
that.
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in order to do that. I don't know if that is correct
I don't think this -- we also
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wouldn't have the opportunity to have as many
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developer. Again, I don't think the money would be
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there. It would require something on a larger scale in
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order to do those things to help our community.
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really can't afford as a district to have to purchase
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land, and I don't know that any of us -- I think we all
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felt that land -- that if you have the land cash, the
homes, I think that is going to be even more difficult.
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cash instead of the land, still that may not be enough
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Reserve Road. If you wanted to avoid trying to get the
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cost - effective in terms of time.
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else that would like to address the Council?
My biggest concern -- I have been a
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MR. VON HOLTEN: Good evening. I am Paul
member of the Citizens Advisory Committee for the
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Von Holten, and I am living at Storybrook Subdivision
school board here in Yorkville for several years and am
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currently still on it. I am really concerned about
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school sites. I understand the 12 -acre site that is
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have been there now seven years and really am very
included and the proposed 65 -acre site, but I'd like to
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know how close are you to an agreement on that 65
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be experiencing after this Grand Reserve starts here,
acres.
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and I was just curious. I mean, I always was thinking
I mean, we have -- I have been part
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before I moved into the area that wasn't there a
of the group that was looking into our future in terms
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proposed minimum lot size that Yorkville was going to
of building needs, and one of the things we took into
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implement if growth was going to expand? wasn't there
account was all the students coming from the
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subdivision, and there will be a lot of them, and I
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Depending on the zoning.
think that we all agreed on our committee that we
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Standard single - family
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lots, 12,000.
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Our research here has indicated that
MR. VON HOLTEN: How much?
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this buyer wants to have a small, maintenance -free type
MAYOR PROCHASKA: 12,000.
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of lot in exchange for a large amount of open space.
MR. VON HOLTEN: 12,000, okay.
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We don't have a slide to project, but what we have in
Obviously some of these developments
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this particular Neighborhood 1 are these pinwheel type
here are smaller than 12,000; and I must have missed it
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of designs that would be clustered, and this would be a
or something; but in Neighborhood 1, what does minimum
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maintenance -free lifestyle including the park area
lot size NA mean on these sheets here? What does that
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which would also be private for these residents.
mean?
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If you take a look at the density
MR. ZWEMKE: What we have in Neighborhood 1
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and for those of you that have been following this
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along, we had in Neighborhoods 1, 2 and 3 previously,
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set aside, and also too we are offering to shovel the
those have all been combined into'one neighborhood.
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snow and those kinds of things. It is a lifestyle
Can we go to the schematic that has
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community and so that is what we are targeting.
the bubble diagram. This will maybe answer your
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MR. VoN HoLTEN: So what is the lot size?
question too about lot sizes.
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MR. ZWEMKE: The lot size is -- the minimum
What we are looking at here is to
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create -- what we are looking to do is to create a
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MR. VON HOLTEN: What is the square feet?
building development that would allow mostly ranch
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MR. zWEMKE: That would be 6,000.
style homes. The lot widths are typically about 60
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MR. VON HOLTEN: 6,000. So thank you.
feet wide and about 100 feet deep. They are done in a
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Gosh, I guess I am concerned there
lot of different ways and different communities around
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this is half the size, 6,000. This would probably be
called high density type of development.
I mean, Bristol is such a cool, very
beautiful community; and I just don't know why we need
to start putting in high density type living and
developments into a commmity. Everybody is going to
want to develop this conTmmity. Why do we have to go
with such a high development type structure here for
Neighborhoods 1 and 2 and I believe 3?
Anyway, I mean it just seems like we
can have both with a new development. We see what
Oswego has been doing. We see what Montgomery has been
doing. Why do we have to duplicate that? Why can't we
be a leader and have both open space and larger lots.
I mean, it might be really good for the comnmity and
for the neighborhood to think about that.
A thing Debbie Olson had said about
Kennedy Road, man that road needs to be straightened
out definitely. It is a very dangerous road with this
added traffic and population. There are some blind
curves on there and that road needs to get straightened
out with all this additional traffic that is going to
be put on there.
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hearing those bulldozers and tractors going for just
years and years going on here.
So just some concerns. Please use
your best judgment to preserve this beautiful Bristol
area, and we'd all appreciate it who are currently
living in Bristol. Thanks a lot for your time.
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Please spell your name.
MR. VON HOLTEN: Yes. It is Paul Von
Holten, V as in Victor, O -N, capital H, O- L- T -E -N.
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Thank you.
Is there someone else that would
like to make a comnent?
MR. RARARAR My name is John Barabas,
B- A- R- A- B -A -S, and I reside at 35 Oaklawn in River
Ridge. A couple of questions for Mr. Zwemke.
When the developments starts
assuming there is an approval, what are the plan for
the existing trees, et cetera, on the property that
border up to this development?
MR. ZWEMKE: We are going to try to
preserve -- whenever we can, we try to preserve trees.
A good example of that is over on Mill -- I am sorry --
on Kennedy just north of the tracks, there is a
wonderful span of 100 -year old Oaks. It is on about
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1 construction starts which it is going to obviously.
2 Maybe this is a question for the builders or whatever.
3 You know, normally since it is going to be happening
4 right out in my backyard, what time does the
5 development start? What time do the bulldozers and
6 things start in the morning? Does anybody know that?
7 MR. ZWEMKE: 7:00.
8 MR. VON HOLTEN: 7:00 o'clock in the
9 morning and when does it end?
10 MR. ZWEMKE: Probably by 7:00.
11 MR. VON HOLTEN: So it is going to be going
12 until about 7:00 o'clock at night then?
13 MR. ZWEMKE: Not necessarily.
14 MR. VON HOLTEN: Does that include weekends
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16 MR. ZWEMKE: Not likely.
17 MR. VON HOLTEN: And I was just -- this is
18 supposed to be done over like a 10 to 12 -year period or
19 what was the time frame?
20 MR, ZWEMKE: We are estimating 12 to
21 15 years.
22 MR. VON HOLTEN: So, boy, for the people
23 that is living in this area -- and I know there is
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1 eight acres of land, and it is very buildable, but that
2 is part of this recreational area that we are talking
3 about for regional park.
4 So certainly in that case, we do not
5 want to destroy any trees. I know that there may be
6 some trees along the property line adjacent to you
7 folks that we will do whatever we can to preserve those
8 and work around them. That is an amenity here for all
9 of us.
10 MR. BARABAS: In the buffer zone, would you
11 be putting any in?
12 MR. ZWEMKE: The buffer zone that
13 Mr. Barabas is speaking of -- it is hard to see for
14 this type of scale. We apologize for that.
15 All of the areas that are adjacent
16 to existing county subdivisions will have a minimum of
17 a 25 -foot barrier that will be landscaped. So that we
18 will create a screen between our development. So along
19 this property line here for River Ridge, along Lynwood
20 and in the case of Storybrook Highlands, the question
21 was asked before about the buffer. This is actually a
22 100 -foot buffer that is between the rear lot lines and
23 their homes. Those will all be landscaped as well.
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well, who maintains those? Those will be owned by the
property owner, but there will be landscaped easements
that will allow the homeowner's association to maintain
those buffers.
MR. BARABAS: okay. Thank you.
MR. ZWEMKE: I have got a lot of help
behind me here.
One of the other provisions that
occurs in an annexation agreement and, again, the next
question kind of thing is what happens if the
homeowner's association doesn't maintain the property?
A standard provision that is in the annexation
agreement is what is called a backup SSA, special
service area. This gives the power to the City of
Yorkville that in the event the homeowner's
association does not hold up their end of the bargain,
the City can come in, do the work, and then assess the
homeowners who didn't pay their homeowner's association
dues. It is kind of a belt and suspenders kind of
thing that is in all annexation agreements.
MR. BARABAS: The next question has to do
with the sewer lines. There was talk about running
them along 34, and my property backs up to Route 34.
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sanitary line right now, is on Mill Street just east of
the tracks. That services everything north of this
ridge line and these neighborhoods north of the tracks.
The third sanitary source is from
the Yorkville- Bristol Sanitary District. That path is
to be determined. It could run along Kennedy. It
could run along the center of the property. That is
that gravity -fed type of thing.
Specifically to your question here
with the water main, it is drawn in here on a tentative
basis. That would care down 34 as the long -term path
of it is to reach Tuma and Route 34. So if that is the
final decision, then there would be a request to grant
an easement, and this is a pressure system. So it
could I guess go around and cane through in another
area, but this is probably the shortest path.
MR. BARABAS: There is a possibility the
homeowners along 34 would be losing property in the
process?
MR. ZWEMKE: Well, if it is a water main
easement, you don't lose the property in the sense of
like putting up a fence or a sign. It depends on where
they put the pipe.
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1 lines or the sewer lines that will be running through
2 Route 34 assuming 34 in the future will be expanded to
3 four lanes? Where will the water pipes run and how
4 does that easement come about?
5 MAYOR PROCHASKA: An easement will have to
6 be acquired. I am not sure exactly where they will be
7 running if they are running along the backs of your
8 property.
9 MR. BARABAS: I am right in -- I back up to
10 34. It butts up to the dotted line right through it
11 before.
12 MR. zwEm E; Deb, I don't know what number
13 it is, the one that has got the water lines.
14 You had asked two questions, both
15 about sanitary lines and water lines. Let me answer
16 the one regarding the sanitary line.
17 There is actually three sanitary
18 lines that will service this property. There is one
19 that runs along Route 34 that comes from a lift station
20 at 34 and Orchard. That will service approximately
21 this area that is south of the ridge line and down to
22 Route 34 and to Bristol Ridge Road. That is one
23 service area.
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1 amount of feet to 34 to begin with for expansion. Then
2 you have to go past that.
3 MR. ZWEMKE: Right. Typically the pipe is
4 outside the right of way of the road. There are
5 exceptions that are made from time to time, but it is
6 usually outside of the right of way.
7 MR. BARABAS: The other thing I just wanted
8 to readdress is the traffic coming through there; and I
9 know Jack spoke about it earlier; but with no sidewalks
10 and cars parked on the street and backups on Bristol
11 Ridge Road, if you have even half the homes caning
12 through there and generally speaking in the morning
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14 east on 34, the backup coming through there is just
15 going to cause I think a whole lot of safety problems;
16 and I don't know if there is going to be a traffic
17 survey that will be done or in the future; but I just
18 think it is a major risk for that to continue with all
19 those three streets being tied into that Section 17 or
20 Neighborhood 17. Thank you.
21 MR. KRAMER: To answer your one question,
22 there has been a traffic study performed by Metro which
23 is a large organization that does it for many, many
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final action, but that is an important piece of the
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MS. JENSEN: Yes, two full sides of my
puzzle.
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property will be boarded by soccer games and football
MR. BARABAS: Thank you.
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games.
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Is there someone else
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Do you have any idea how that
that would like to address the Council?
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affects horses, all that kind of stuff? You know, can
MS. JENSEN: My name is Nancy Ann Jensen.
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you put up some kind of barrier?
I have a rather unique problem that I am very concerned
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: I guess we can look at
about.
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something. You know, it is a good point. That is why
Two years ago, I attained my
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life -long dream of getting a faxmette where I can keep
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Ma'am, can we have your address?
my two horses. Two sides of my property are bordered
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MS. JENSEN: My address?
by your development. I have a zoning to allow me to
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Yes.
have horses. what is going to happen to my zoning?
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MS. JENSEN: 7970 Galena.
MAYOR PROCHASKA: It stays.
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay. Thank you.
MS. JENSEN: Also, my property border is on
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Ma'am?
the park. Did you ever consider how all the commotion
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MS. LEE: My name is Jessica Lee, and I
of cars and soccer games and football is going to
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live in the Lynwood Subdivision, and I guess what my
affect my horses?
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Can you give us your
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talking about this barrier between the houses and the
address, please.
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MS. JENSEN: I am on Kennedy and Galena,
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two sides of my property.
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MR. ZWEMKE: Are you right here,
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Valley was because everyone treated my property like it
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was theirs. I lived next door to a park, and I
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constantly had people running through my backyard. I
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had dogs using my yard as their personal bathroom,
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going to be some type of barrier between the apartments
everything, and I don't want to sound selfish, but I
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want some sort of barrier to keep people out of my
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yard. I bought an acre site so I could have my yard,
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and I am very concerned about that.
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way in and one way out, and the whole thing goes
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through a big horseshoe around. We walk our dogs. We
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which is basically in Yorkville doesn't include a light
walk just to walk, and you are putting a street through
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on Anna Marie, and I am concerned that that could mean
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a lot more traffic through where we have no street
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lights. We have no sidewalks. We are in the street
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when we are walking our animals, and it is going to
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rear ended there quite often because, even though we
create a dangerous situation.
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People that live there now are
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familiar with it. They go at a speed of 40. People
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that are not familiar with that are going to come
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zipping through, and I look at this, and I don't see
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you putting a road through into the apartment area,
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things need to be considered. Thank you.
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would be less hone sites. There is no question that it
would be around 2,000. However, the number of
school -age children that would be generated from this
Would be somewhere around 2,500 school -age children
because they typically gravitate to those four bedroom,
two -and -a -half bath, bend down type of houses.
What we think here is we have an
excellent product mix here. No. 1, that wouldn't
generate 2,400 children, 1,700 over this 12 to 15 -year
period; but also the upscale nature of the development
will have very strong EAVs; and if you remember from
the earlier slide that we showed, we expect here that
this will generate somewhere near $8 million to the
operating budget of the school district.
So we feel that with the land, the
transition fee which is also $3,000 per home site as
well as the long -term EAV and the relatively low impact
in terms of school -age children, that this is more than
paying its way and doing it in an excellent way I think
to have a school on site like this to really promote
the idea of kids walking to school, a trail system.
You know, those are some real positive inpacts to maybe
avoid bussing all the kids from all over the place.
There is a lot of children I am sure
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would be less hone sites. There is no question that it
would be around 2,000. However, the number of
school -age children that would be generated from this
Would be somewhere around 2,500 school -age children
because they typically gravitate to those four bedroom,
two -and -a -half bath, bend down type of houses.
What we think here is we have an
excellent product mix here. No. 1, that wouldn't
generate 2,400 children, 1,700 over this 12 to 15 -year
period; but also the upscale nature of the development
will have very strong EAVs; and if you remember from
the earlier slide that we showed, we expect here that
this will generate somewhere near $8 million to the
operating budget of the school district.
So we feel that with the land, the
transition fee which is also $3,000 per home site as
well as the long -term EAV and the relatively low impact
in terms of school -age children, that this is more than
paying its way and doing it in an excellent way I think
to have a school on site like this to really promote
the idea of kids walking to school, a trail system.
You know, those are some real positive inpacts to maybe
avoid bussing all the kids from all over the place.
There is a lot of children I am sure
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65 acres. Just imagine a caRpus in this location off
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MR. VANA: That is still up in the air
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Subdivision right across the street, and my concern is
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audience here, this is a concept plan to stimulate the
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particular entrance here to the west of us. Why didn't
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MR. PATTERSON: We stay?
we don't want to create any public safety issues. So
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we will have another turn at that when we go in for
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20 years ago I think they had a well that they put in
final engineering and final plat.
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These convents here help us, guide
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us here, so that we are taking into account all of your
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Next?
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2625 Kennedy Road. I know all the figures are here,
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but on this -- cars, you know, you are turning loose
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about 26 to 50 families. That is going to put about
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out of there on average. That is about 2.2 per family.
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It is about what you are going to get coming out of
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four or five. They didn't help them. The City didn't
there, 6,000 cars twice a day. I mean, that is a lot
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You can't get out of Kennedy Road on
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34 now. It is a disaster. I think lots, if you
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MR. PATTERSON: I understand.
increase them a little bit, it would help some.
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As far as City water and City sewer,
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saying, well, there is plenty of money to cover the
what are they going to do to the people that is out
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schools coming in. You might give us the land; but
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Washington. So thanks to a six-months severance
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay.
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package, I decided to try to find a job closer to home
MS. STRAUB: My name is Jackie Straub. I
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because I was really tired of driving to DuPage County.
live off the corner of Oaklawn Parkway in River Ridge
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For the 11 years I have lived out here, every year it
Subdivision. My address is 2601, and I just figured
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gets worse.
I'd take this time to throw my two cents in about that
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For four out of those six months, I
street becoming a cut through into River Ridge.
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tried to find a job out here. Professional jobs do not
All of my neighbors have so
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exist in Yorkville to any great extent. So other than
eloquently said that they are against it. I am also
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the empty- nesters, your primary wage earners in Grand
against it. The street is narrow and on our corners
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Reserve are going to be looking for jobs outside of
specifically there are a lot of mature trees and
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Yorkville and probably outside of Kendall County.
landscaping that really is going to block the view.
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The traffic right now is horrible.
So obviously you put up stop signs
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Today in my new job which I'd like to add is in
there, but I am also thinking about school buses, the
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Naperville, the traffic on the toll was backed up past
cut through traffic to get through to Bristol Ridge
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Eola Road. Orchard Road had three ❑ajor backups on it.
Road to access the stop light, the possible backup, the
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I am on the road about 7:30.
possible construction traffic which will not make me
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All of the major roads in Yorkville
happy for 15 years or whatever.
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are becoming mixed out now. When these people get on
I also wanted to take this time to
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the road -- and with the thing I saw in the papers, by
bring up a little bit broader thing about traffic. I
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next year, they wanted residents to already be in
keep hearing traffic, traffic, traffic. If you would
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houses next summer. So the traffic is going up, and it
just allow me a couple of minutes, I want to tell you a
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is one development, yes, a major one; but there are
personal story. My company that I worked for in Lisle
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that I worked for 23 years closed and moved to
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point of view, what is Yorkville -- like this one
gentleman said, why can't we be different? Why can't
we regionally address the traffic issues? You have
state routes that are two lanes. I would just hate to
see Yorkville turn into what the Copley Hospital was
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drove down there knew that road needed to be four
lanes, and the traffic was backed up impossible.
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the high price gas we have now and how long is it going
to take before we are all taking our vehicles in for
emissions tests because everybody is going to be
sitting on the road in traffic gridlock.
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They are also pushing down to look at 34 going to the
west because we have everything, the trucks and
everything coming out of Menards caning. We need to
also address that.
I was kind of set back to understand
a year ago that when we went to do the light here at
Game Farm Road, the City had to do the engineering. We
found out at that point in time, IDOT had no plan at
all for Route 34 west of 47. I contacted our state
officials. I also pulled in the Mayor of Plano and him
and I together sat with our officials and got IDOT to
begin working at least starting to do some engineering
for 34 west of Yorkville, too, on the west side. We
are trying to address that.
The City also is just completing a
transportation plan. One of the issues we are talking
about is taking into account some of the traffic
issues, and I think the best example to show that was
at the commercial up at 34. We had Menards put a
four -lane concrete highway to connect 34 to 47 because
we know you are going to connect to a state highway.
We know it is going to became a traffic issue.
We are also looking at the
possibility of more local crossing of the river because
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1 at transportation, not just roads, mass transportation,
2 other transportation, because this is now a major
3 concern. Thank you.
4 MAYOR PROCHASKA: All right. I'd like to
5 just take a minute, and I will let you speak. I'd like
6 to address this just a little bit.
7 First of all, with the state routes,
8 the City has been in contact with the State of
9 Illinois, Route 34, Route 47, for years; and we have
10 gotten -- as many of you may know, they are finishing
11 up -- they are working on their engineering for
12 Route 47 through the City of Yorkville at this time.
13 I have had some discussions also
14 with some of the other officials up along 47 as we keep
15 trying to put pressure on the State to come out this
16 way. One of the excuses or issues we keep getting is,
17 well, you guys don't have the population yet. We are
18 not looking there. My argument is, but we have the
19 traffic because of our location. We have the busiest
20 intersection in the County as you well know, 34 and 47.
21 We have also been in contact about
22 Route 34. The State has in their plan engineering from
23 Route 34 east to Orchard Road. I believe it is in
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1 quite frankly Orchard Road when it opened really did
2 nothing to alleviate traffic in Yorkville. The main
3 road is two miles to the west.
4 We are already looking at a
5 feasibility study of trying to get a bridge east of 47
6 somewhere more local, and we have contacted our federal
7 people to see if we can get some help in the
8 engineering with that. We are looking at all those
9 transportation issues because you are absolutely right.
10 That becomes a major issue and not
11 in Yorkville but the whole area with the fact that we
12 sit in the middle of the County with all the roads
13 coming through us. Traffic is going to be an issue we
14 are going to be dealing with for many years regardless
15 of what happens in Yorkville. Everything around us,
16 everybody comes into Yorkville. We are addressing
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18 Ma'am, would you like to cane up?
19 MS. PATTERS'ON: My name is Glenna
20 Patterson. I live at 2625 Kennedy Road, and I thought
21 the major issue that no one has brought up is our
22 emergency services. We have had a fire, and the fire
23 department did us very well. We were very pleased.
24 They were right there.
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so to speak has voted down. They don't want any more
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MR. FRA4ER: Sure, sure, we are. We are
firemen. They don't want any more EMTS to pay for or
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whatever it is going to require. We are going to put
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people, and I don't have a family member. I don't have
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a friend. I don't know anybody.
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to have some, to look at not just how this development
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experience how wonderful they are. How can they be
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group that is called Planning Council that is our
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technical office and many of the people that you see at
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their input on it.
that table over there, and one of the group that sits
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MS. PATTERSON: I know we were thankful to
in at these many meetings that we talked about is the
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representatives from the fire and the emergency
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because there might be a train or something, and I was
services.
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happy. They did a wonderful job.
We also have a City fee that at the
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Thank you. Someone else?
time property develops, they pay so much for capital
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MS. SHEELEY: Good morning. My name is
items for the emergency services and fire department
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Carol Sheeley and I live at Fox River Gardens, 30 Acorn
with each house building permit. So it is something we
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take into account.
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MS. PATTERSON: My point is aren't we going
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bridge Grand Ridge or if we have Grand Ridge are we
listening to concerns of everybody; and it seems like
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talking another bridge?
since the Plan Commission meeting that we have heard
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: As far as another bridge,
those concerns; and I'd like to ask one other thing.
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I don't know there would be another one.
Did you study and look into what
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Our comprehensive plan with the City
might happen to the wells in the area? I know you are
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have shown two, one to the east, one to the west, for
going to be much deeper, but it will still lower the
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probably 10 years. What we are actually working on is
water level, water table, and I wondered if they could
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based on our comprehensive plan which shows something
have some technical people tell us exactly what affect
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to the east. It has nothing to do with this particular
that will have on our wells.
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Whether or not they are able to negotiate and get this
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MS. PATTERSON: What I am wondering is, if
other property, I think their needs to be more land for
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the schools because the school doubled the school
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need another bridge across from Grand Ridge? Is that
population. We need to double our school buildings.
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And also for the Council, when you
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: That is a good point.
are working with this, three things, lot size, lot
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size, lot size. I think that is really important, and
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a lot of people feel that is important.
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MS. OLSON: I am not done with you yet.
Art, you mentioned the bridge that
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Debbie Olson from Storybrook.
you are considering east of town. I know there is a
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need for that bridge now with the population of
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Yorkville. Is part of the reason we might need this
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would it pass your minimum requirement period? Would
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that has been presented to us. Engineering needs to be
it pass; and if it would not pass on its own entity,
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why should it pass now
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if it doesn't meet the need for the detention as
At previous Planning Commissions, I
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have addressed repeatedly the water problem that we
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MS. OLSON: Will it take into account
have in Storybrook from flooding. I explained both
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times I have testified that the water had run from
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: It will take into account
going to be Neighborhood 1.
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I addressed that our culverts ran
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MS. OLSON: So there will be -- possibly
to talk to us. I do not see any change in the density
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of your detention ponds at all.
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amount of green space is in the highest density area?
My concern is that your neighborhood
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MR. ZWEMKE: Let me first talk about the
is huge, but it is the least amount of detention that
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there is in the entire area. What is going to happen
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to all this water when you have the least amount of
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on its own, what you are possibly doing is what
detention and the highest multiple density there can
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be?
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dividing line here happens to be where one of the
MAYOR PROCHASKA: Can I answer that for
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property owners own their property which is the Tucek
you?
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MS. OLb'ON: Yes.
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MR. ZWEMKE: what typically happens when
just from the City's point of view this is a concept
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storm water management type of systems.
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really to your first comment is, well, what if this
By doing a community like this, we
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would come in hypothetically on its own; and if you go,
can link together larger areas and have a much more
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Debbie, to I think it is No. 4 that has the
efficient storm water type of management system. So if
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conprehensive plan, this one.
you just look at one piece on its own, you really need
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Earlier I highlighted we are in this
to look at the overall; and to the Mayor's point, we
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have to comply with very, very rigid standards in terms
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of Yorkville; and in this entire pink area, this allows
of storm water management; and so this site has not
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a density from about 2.5 per acre to 3.5 per acre. So
been final engineered.
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We have a pretty good estimate here
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transitional area, we'd be allowed a density of up to
that we can control and manage the storm water. We are
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inpacted in a lot of ways both by the Blackberry Creek
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as you might expect, but there is also a tremendous
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You have to give more open space to get a higher
amount of flow south of this ridge line that heads down
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density. As I mentioned earlier, this particular
to the Fox River. All of those things are going to be
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taken into consideration when that overall engineering
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happens.
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Another good example would be if
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this Neighborhood 1 would sell first, we might have to
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are proposing this as one master plan comunity; but
do the engineering for this whole 100 acres just
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technically speaking if this were brought in on its
because of that storm water. Okay. So believe me,
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that is high on all of our lists, and it is a
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requirement.
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MR. ZWEMKE: No, no --
What you don't see in the plan
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UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: 7,000 to 8,000 --
because of the scale is just not as conducive for this
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MAYOR PROGJASKA: Folks, we have too many
is by clustering all these hares, we really have a
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bountiful amount of open space. What we thought though
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MR. ZWEMKE: The lot sizes of Blackberry
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Knoll which is immediately to the east line up here.
private park area -- is that these empty- nesters like
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that kind of privacy; and as a result, you know, there
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MS. OLSON: Minimum or maximum?
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but it won't be public or at least that is what we are
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MS. OLSON: Okay. What do they go up to
proposing. We are proposing this would be private;
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and, therefore, it is not a burden to the taxpayers
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MR. ZWEMKE: I don't know off hand.
here. It would be a burden to those homeowners.
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MS. OLSON: Do you know the lot size of the
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proposed Blackberry Knolls Subdivision, lot sizes, that
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is adjacent on this map? Do you have a lot size
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If you take our 290 lots -- and I
estimate by any chance?
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should give a little more time to this. As you know
UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: 7,000 to 8,000.
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from the Plan Commission, we had three or four
MS. OLSON: Pardon me?
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different iterations of this. We could physically fit
UNKNOWN AUDIENCE MEMBER: 7,000 to 8,000
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on here 340 hone sites. What we chose to do here is to
square feet.
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MS. OLSON: Okay. So obviously they are a
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any of the staff, nor the Plan OomTdssion. We just did
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Thank you.
this because we thought it would live better.
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Anyone else? Anyone? I am going to
If you would extend the lot lines on
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ask any from the Council?
this little envelope that we talked about where the
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If there is no more discussion from
house sits on, the average lot size in Neighborhood 1
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the audience, I'd entertain a motion to close the
is just under 9,000 square feet. It is like
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8,800 square feet. We did that at a request of the
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MR. ANDERSON: So moved.
Plan Commission as to what the averages would be. So
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MS. SPEARS: Second.
it is a tad under 9,000.
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Moved and seconded. Can
So, again, we are looking at a buyer
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here who doesn't want to mow their lawn. They want to
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: James?
pay somebody to do that, and they value this comion
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MR. JAMES: Aye.
open space, the privacy, the clubhouse, their trails;
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Kot?
and they will maintain it, not as a burden to the
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MR. KOT: Aye.
coa unity but as their homeowner's association.
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Spears?
MS. OLSON: And one final question of the
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MS. SPEARS: Aye.
City. Initially in the Planning Commission meetings,
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Sticka?
the residents have repeatedly asked for, not only
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MR. STICKA: Aye.
transition in their group, but transition to our group.
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Anderson?
I still don't see this, and I wondered if the City is
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MR. ANDERSON: Aye.
going to stick to their guns to let the established
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried. We
residents have peace in their own homes with things
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that are camnn with the transition from them to us.
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have any cmmients they would like to make at this time
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the City takes their request into account, but it stays
or not?
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their decision as to whether they want land or cash.
MS. SPEARS: I would just personally like
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For those that are interested, just
to thank all the individuals for coming here and giving
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where we are going with this from here, the next
us your input. This is very important to us.
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meeting that there will be some discussion on this will
I previously lived in the area and
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be at the Administration Comnittee meeting on May 8
do have a lot of friends that are still here, and I
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think I would be concerned with some of the issues as
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well, and I also believe that the developer is working
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as much as they could, and I think they are really
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working with them at resetting our fees for the City
putting forth an effort to work with the people of the
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services that we do. As you know, we increased the
neighborhoods, and I just want to thank you for your
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fire district and the school district earlier last
input.
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MR. ANDERSON: The only thing I was going
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the City collects for the inpact to the City itself
to say about the schools, they brought up the issue
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which would include the police, the public works,
with the schools. There are other developers coming
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library, things like water connection fees and such.
into the City that have given school sites or are under
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negotiations for school sites. So this isn't the only
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those. We have been working with Northern Illinois
one.
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University to look at justifying what increases we will
MAYOR PROCHASKA: And to that point also,
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be able to do with those, and I believe that the next
just remember that we take our direction on that from
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stop that that will be would be at the Administration
the school district because that is their decision to
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Committee on May 8. That will have an inpact on this.
decide whether they want land or cash or a combination
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Those would be fees that will be used for this
or however they want it. That is their decision. So
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because this is such a large inpact on Yorkville.
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it says additional business. I don't think we can do
After that, the next discussion
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actually of the development itself will be at the
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Economic Development Committee on May 15. At that
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point, I am not sure where it is going to go yet
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MS. SPEARS: Second.
because they are still -- as you know, we have a lot of
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Moved and seconded.
things to take into account now with the cmm�ents that
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we got this evening for the annexation agreement and
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such before we go before the full Council. That is
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MR. JAMES: Aye.
kind of where we are at right now.
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Sticka?
Again, I'd also like to thank
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MR. STICKA: Aye.
everybody for showing up. I think it shows a lot of
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community spirit. As we know, this is a large
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MR. KOT: Aye.
development. It has a lot of inpact on the City, and
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MS. MILSCHEWSKI: Anderson?
we do value all the inpact that got put in tonight
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MR. ANDERSON: Aye.
because, again, we don't know everything that is out
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there.
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MS. SPEARS: Aye.
Certainly by people coming in and
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MAYOR PROCHASKA: Motion is carried.
letting us know what some of those issues are, it helps
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us with the staff to work through and address as such
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