Fire and Police Commission Minutes 2001 11-14-01UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE App,40FIRE& POLICE COMMISSION MEETING
Wednesday November 14, 2001
The meeting was called to order by Commissioner Bob Johnson at 7:05 PM.
Roll Call:
Margie Putzler, present
Jim Jensen, present
Bob Johnson, present
A quorum was established.
Others present:
Atty. Dean Klemamos
Police Chief Martin
Previous meeting minutes:The minutes for October 29 were tabled for additional review.
Communications: None
Bills for Payment: None
Unfinished Business: It was decided that the name of Police and Fire Commission would be
kept as is, even though there are no paid fire staff.
Discussion was held with regards to changing the education requirements. Chief Martin noted
that the requirements as stated would diminish the range of applicants. Chief Martin would like to
maintain the requirement of 2 years of higher education, possibly an associated degree, but not a
bachelor's degree. Mr.Jensen stated that he felt some additional education is important. It was
noted that Chapt. 2, Section 3, Item K with regards to education would state that an associate's
degree was required or comparable equivalent.
In Chapt. 2, Section 6,with regards to vision. It was noted that the vision and validation points
were also listed in the medical requirement section and are,therefore not needed in this area
also.
There was much discussion with regards to Physical Agility Testing. Chief Martin noted that
many departments have adopted the use of the Power Test. A specified testing program allows
good guidance to applicants. It also allows equal testing procedures and academy entrance
based on an even foundation. There was a notation with regards to the separation of male and
female in the Power Test requirements. Mr. Jensen had concern with liability in the testing
procedures. There was also discussion with regards to Pass/Fail verbiage. When an applicant is
engaged in the Physical Aptitude Testing, are they graded as Pass/Fail or Completion/Non-
Completion? It was very important to the commission that no one be held back and that all
applicants have an equal chance. After much discussion it was decided to keep the pass/fail
verbiage. It was noted that the cost is$750 to test 11 applicants with the Cops testing service.
It was noted by Ms. Putzler that the polygraph notice be kept in the examination section. Mr.
Johnson showed concern with the verbiage of pass/fail. Mr.Jensen also stated that the
polygraph is inconclusive testing and that the polygraph is used in background testing. It was
noted that the verbiage would further define background investigation to include polygraph
testing. The question was also raised it there should be a nominal fee for examination.
In section 10 it was noted that the final eligibility register should state, ...satisfactorily passing
background investigation including polygraph.
Chapt. 4, Promotion Examinations: It was noted that the exam would be broken down and would
include a written, oral, and merit scoring. Written would count for 55%, oral 35% and merit 10%.
Mr. Jensen showed concern with the high percentage with the written exam. Mr. Johnson raised
the questions as to what other departments do and where the figures were initially found. Chief
Martin raised the question of military preference. He also stated that he felt the oral section
should be stronger and would also include Board interview. The scoring was changed to written
40%, oral 50% and merit 10%. The Commission agreed upon these figures. Mr. Johnson noted
that the oral questions would need to be standardized. Chief Martin has questions coming to him
that will need review and validation. It was felt that there should approximately 20 questions.
The next meeting will held on Monday, November 20 at 7:00 PM, where the Commission hopes
to vote on the Rules and Regulations.
Ms. Putzler made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:40 PM. Mr.Jensen seconded the motion.
Respectfully submitted by Cindy Green
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