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COW Minutes 2004 09-07-04 Page 1 of 18 APPROVED 9/28/04 UNITED CITY OF YORKVIL E COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE Tuesday, September 7, 2004 7:00 P.M. City Conference Room Committee Members Present: Mayor Art Prochaska, Alderman Joe Besco, Alderwoman Val Burd, Alderman Paul James, Alderman Larry Kot, Alderman Marty Munns, Alderwoman Wanda Ohare, Alderwoman Rose Spears, Alderman Rich Sticka, City Treasurer Bill Powell, Administrator Tony Graff, Attorney Dan Kramer, Police Chief Harold Martin, Public Works Director Eric Dhuse, Park & Rec Director Laura Brown, Finance Director Traci Pleckham Guests: See Attached Sheet. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 pm by Mayor Art Prochaska. Public Hearing: None Presentations: None Detail Board Report (Bill List): Mayor Art Prochaska asked those present if there were any comments or questions regarding the bill list. It was requested by the Committee to move the page number to a point that was visible and to print on the front and back of the paper to save paper. Traci Pleckham stated that they usually do use front and back, but will address both issues with the office employees. Alderwoman Spears had a question regarding the bills from EEI and Walter E. Deuchler & Associates. She questioned how the Committee would know which bills are reimbursable to the City. Traci Pleckham stated that if the funds are reimbursable to the City they will be marked under A/R — OTHER account. Alderwoman Spears went on to question if the total on page 7 from Walter E. Deuchler & associates in the amount of $106, 919.85 was all billable to the City with out reimbursement coming. Traci Pleckbam stated that was all billable to the City. Mayor Art Prochaska asked the Committee if there were any more questions. It was moved to send the bill list to City Council as Consent Agenda along with all items on the list that were recommended by Committee for Consent Agenda as follows: 1. Building Permit Reports for July 2004 2. Greenbriar Unit 4 — Letter of Credit — PW 8/23/04 3. Hiring of Water Department Operator — PW 8/23/04 1 Page 2 of 18 4. Raintree Unit i — Bond Reduction #1— PW 8/23/04 5. Route 34 Improvements — Supplemental MFT Appropriation Resolution — PW 8/23/04 6. Police reports for July 2004 — PS 8/26/04 Mayor's Report: Mayor Art Prochaska stated that the Coffee with the Mayor will be at the Riverfront Park on September 11' from 9 :00- 11:00 a.m. Mayor Prochaska stated that also on September I P h 2004 the City will be having the 3` annual Patriot's Walk. The walk will be at 6:30 p.m. starting at City Hall and ending at Towne Square Park. The Mayor added that he had spoken to Chief Martin regarding having traffic halted on Route 47 while the moment of silence is done during the ceremony to keep noise reduced. This is so that the time can be used for reflection and not overrun by the noise from traffic and loud trucks going by which occurred the previous year. He stated that traffic will be stopped at Somonauk Street and across the bridge. Economic Development Committee: Mayor Art Prochaska moved the meeting on to discuss the topics for EDC. 1.) The first item to be discussed is the Fire Department's request for Development Fee Increase from a Facility Planning Study from the EDC's 7/21/04 meeting. The Mayor introduced Chief Michael Hitzemann with the Bristol Kendall Fire Department to discuss the topic at hand. Chief Michael Hitzemann started the discussion by explaining how the issue came about from the last EDC Committee Meeting. The Mayor added that basically the increase would bring the fee up to $500.00 for Single Residential, $500.00 per unit for Multi - residential, and up to $0.16 per sp f{ W /$500.00 minimum for Commercial. Alderman Sticka went on to say that at the EHC meeting it was discussed that the City does need some justification when a fee increase comes about. He also said that the Committee did receive a lot of information about future plans the Fire Department has, but the fees that are suggested are the result of the mean of what the Fire Department found other local communities are charging. Mr. Sticka questioned if that is a defensible way to arrive with a final fee. City Attorney, Dan Kramer responded saying that "standard Illinois is uniquely attributable to what we are facing ". He also agreed with Alderman Sticka in the fact that the Study is a useful way in comparing, there are a lot of differences in the standards in different States on Impact Fees and Developer issues where they cannot do Impact Fees as Home Ruled, but they can negotiate as part of an agreement. Mr. Kramer went on to state that the guide in Illinois is equally attributable to the Developer or actual cost and future cost. Mr. Sticka stated that the future needs provided are quite significant and there is no question about these needs having to be met. Mr. Sticka stated that the amount of the fees chosen to charge the Public needs to be related to the needs the Fire Department has, not what is charged in local communities. Alderman Kot added that the City's Coding Inspector, Mr. Dettmer sent out a memo saying that `I do not agree that the consultant justified the proposed amount of increase in 2 i Page 3 of 18 this report.' Mr. Kot stated with that being in writing in a Public Document, the City should make sure they have the right justification before moving forward with the fee increase. Mayor Prochaska moved on to summarize that the Committee is saying that they do not disagree with the Fire Department needing the money to use towards future needs, they just need to come up with justification in the amount of the tee increase that is chosen. Mayor Prochaska also pointed out that in three of the Communities in the Study; there is no fee for Commercial protection, also having one Community charge only a flat fee. These are Communities that Yorkville is competing with for growth in bringing in new Commercial Development. He stated that the Committee should be aware of how this will impact the City and that the EDC has been working well with the City on these issues by justifying the costs needed. Mayor Prochaska said he feels that the Committee is on the right track. Mr. Sticka agreed with the Mayor that the City does not want to push Commercial Development away with the fees, which will then bring a negative effect with the loss of tax dollars. Alderwoman Spears questioned Chief Hitzemann about if the Department had equipment now that would maintain a fire in anything above a 3 story structure and if not how much would that equipment cost to purchase and house. Chief Hitzemann stated that they do not have a ladder truck with those capabilities now. A new ladder truck would be about $700,000.00 to $750,000.00 and the Department does have a place to house that now. She also questioned Chief Hitzemann about what other equipment would be needed to handle 4 -6 story structures. Chief Hitzemann stated that the balance of additional equipment would be minimal; the money mainly would be needed for training as far as the difference in form of fire suppression activity. The cost of the training that would be needed could not be determined at this point. The Committee briefly discussed how the ladder truck would be needed for larger structures as well as the taller structures too. Mayor Prochaska rounded up the conversation by asking Chief Hitzemann if he could tie a justification up with the fee requested as the City's Attorney, Mr. Kramer has suggested. The Committee suggested for Chief Hitzemann to gather information of what the amount is needed from the Consultants to help gathering support. The Committee also agreed to help in the gathering of information for the justification for the Fire Department's Fee Increase. Mayor Prochaska informed Chief Hitzemann to bring this back to COW as soon as ready. 2.) The item of the Revised Landscape Ordinance was moved to be tabled due to lack of not halving the strike -out version in the packets. It will be moved to the next COW meeting. 3.) Mayor Prochaska moved the meeting on to discuss the issue of the Appearance Code from the EDC 8/19/04 meeting. He introduced Anna Kurtzman from the Building Department to start the discussion on the issue after bringing up three questions that have come up from home - owners. 3 I Page 4 of 18 1. The first question brought up is regarding masonry on Duplexes, Single - family attached (i.e. town homes) and multi - family (i.e. apartments). The Mayor questioned if the language should read to encourage a greater amount of masonry along the frontages that face a street. As the language is written now the building has to be at least 50% masonry on the front, with the remaining 50% being place on one or more of the remaining sides of the building. The Mayor stated if the language is changed and someone was to build with a completing bricked front, the builder could then use the extra 50% of front brick towards credit to having to have the building at least 50% bricked. 2. Location of Bay Doors on Industrial buildings: The present language indicates that bay doors on industrial building should not be visible from the street. Is this standard reasonable in the middle of an industrial park? Should this restriction be place on the following types of streets: Arterials, Collector that serve more that one type of zoning district, Streets that are maintained by other governments, and streets that provide a boundary between the industry and some other type of zoning district? The Mayor stated that once you get into an Industrial park and you need big turning radiuses for the trucks, it begins to get difficult to build the large roads to get to the back of the buildings for access to loading docks. The City should be encouraging the growth of the Commercial Development in the area. The Committee questioned what the City would do if they had a road that is a collector road that has industrial more than a mile away from the residential area? The Committee agreed that it is hard to pinpoint all the future situations the City will have to deal with. Mayor Prochaska stated he wanted the change made to the language to ease the traffic conditions in an Industrial Park. Mayor Prochaska also added that they should add that if there is no way to prevent the bay doors from being visible to the road, the Company will have to buffer, so not to have direct view from the road with landscaping. 3. Applicability of Existing Buildings: Do we need further clarification of how to handle modifications to non - residential buildings? For example, if there is an existing non - residential building that does not meet the proposed standards and an addition is proposed for that building — does the addition and/or the original part of the building need to comply with the rest of the ordinance: What happens if an accessory building is proposed on a lot where there is an existing primary building and the primary building does not meet the ordinance? Does it make sense to have the accessory structure meet a more intensive standard than the primary building? The Committee discussed this issue and found they agreed to let the owners build matching what already exists on the lot, but encourage bettering the look. 4. How to address in -fill development: Should this ordinance be applied universally throughout the City or should certain areas be exempt, such as within existing areas that are essentially built -out (as Fox Industrial Park)? 4 i Page 5 of 18 Mayor Prochaska asked if they should allow the same types of buildings to be built in these built -out areas. The Committee discussed how the City handles other types of zoning improvements and what needs to be up to code. Alderman James suggested that the City sets what their standards will be and then handle the issues that need to be handled case by case for these few and far between situations. Mayor Prochaska stated that variances are only for hardships only and that even set backs are 401/6 of the building is what you match. In the case of in- fill areas the Mayor would like to see the new buildings matching what is surrounding it. Mr. Kramer clarified that `nearby buildings' would be clarified as `buildings that have frontage of the street they're on'. The Committee brought up that if they are going to allow new buildings to look like the older style around them to be built, what is the point of the appearance code? They discussed maybe just going back to say what the standard will be and let that be it. Mr. Joe Wisniewski with Wise Construction who is a business owner in town steps up to speak with the Committee regarding the appearance code issue. Mr. Wisniewski stated that he has been in the building business for 28 years and has seen appearance codes come and be changed, altered, and have things thrown out. He stated that some times they get over board in saying masonry or block which still doesn't make the building look pleasant. He feels that what is being left out of these appearance codes is the part of the City's stating that they are open to builders presenting different ideas in any situation that may not meet the appearance code and are open without a variance to look at it. The City still can have the right to say no and then the builder can file for a hardship. He feels the City's are being too strict in how all the buildings have to be made. Mayor Prochaska reiterated that is how the variance process works, but is only for dealing with hardships. Alderman Sticka stated that this is the same situation that came up at the Architectural Committee, where a group of people will come up with an approval. The Committee agreed that they see how Mr. Wisniewski is stating that there is no leeway for creativity with the Appearance Code. Anna Kurtzman with the Building Department stated that the way it is written now, any one looking to build without fitting the code would have their plan review by a Fagade Committee(a recommending body), not the Zoning Committee. She stated that the last paragraph of the Appearance Code is where this is pointed out already. Mr. Wisniewski pointed out that he currently is working with a Customer who is dealing with an Appearance Code that states must use Masonry material and is now using Stucco Board, which is not the nicest looking out. He stated a lot of people building do not want to spend the money necessary to get the look the Committee members are probably looking for. He also recommended that the City focus mainly on making sure people in the more noticeable areas keep the appearance up and not worry so much about the arras that are out of the general public's sight. 5 Page 6 of 18 Alderman Sticka stated that the City is just looking to better the look of the City with the Appearance Code as a response to the Public. Mayor Prochaska added to state that appeals may be made for architectural preferences, but will be decided by this Committee. Alderwoman Burd stated that standards should be set up to keep from having builders feel that they may have their different ideas judged unevenly if it does go to the Fagade Committee. Mayor Prochaska stated that it should also state in some form that there has to be a reason the builder wishes to go against the code besides just not liking the code. Alderman Sticka questioned Mr. Wisniewski as to ever experiencing someone in the town saying `yes' or `no' when there is no Appearance Code present. Mr. Wisniewski stated that if there are no rules or codes it will be a subjective process. The more the restrictive he sees the towns try to make it, he feels the towns are not accomplishing there goals as fat as keeping the main town and arteries looking pleasant. Mr. Wisniewski brought up a situation of taking Mr. Kramer's property as is now with wood siding and wanting to add a storage building out back for papers. With the Appearance Code going thru as is now, Mr. Kramer would now have to put up a Masonry building to add that to his business, which just would not look even or compatible. Mayor Prochaska stated that at this point with the Appearance Code, the City is speaking only of new buildings going up in new growth areas, in -fill development or add -ons to existing buildings. He would like it appealed thru the Fagade Committee only for an Architectural Uniqueness. Mr. Sticka questioned how the Committee would address the issue of someone following the code by using an unpleasant product which Mr. Wisniewski brought up earlier. Mr. Sticka questioned if every building should then be brought back to the Committee for final approval to solve this issue. Mr. Wisniewski at this point stated that in Communities close to Yorkville, there are towns that are to the point of telling j builders how much brick should be a certain color even. Mr. Wisniewski reflected that the Appearance Code is a necesisity; yet don't take it too far. Mayor Prochaska directed Anna Kurtzman with wording the last paragraph more to the point that the City will send to the Fagade Committee anything that is Architecturally Creative to be considered and make more prominent in the Appearance Code. Alderman Kot brought up the point that the Appearance Code does have to go up for Public Hearing. Mr. Kramer responded strongly with a definite need for Public Hearing. Mayor Prochaska asked to have this issue come back to COW with some corrections based on the discussion that was had this evening, at that point the Committee can look at scheduling the Public Hearing. Anna Kurtzman stated that she understands what the Committee has requested from the discussion and is also looking into putting 3 -4 points in to provide some very broad guidelines for the Fagade Committee. 6 Page 7 of 18 4) Mayor Prochaska moved the meeting onto the Fox Hill Unit 7 POD 10 — Preliminary/Final Plat — EDC 8/19/04 discussion. Alderman Sticks stated that EDC Committee was okay with all information provided at the last meeting. Mr. Marvin DeLahr passed out for the Committee a copy of the Elevations and the Control Foundation Plan. David Meek, Attorney with Quarles & Brady LLP spoke regarding the issue of Fox Hill. The plat has been revised as presented this evening. They have brought the set-backs into conformance for the most part. There is still a 25ft set back from the Lane off of Eldamain.. He stated there were a few constraints which related to how much land was given to the City for Rob Roy Creek. They are here tonight to do the 4 amendment for approval to get final plat. Alderman Sticka brought up the building elevations that were in question at EDC meeting. Mayor Prochaska and Alderman Sticka also discussed how the Plan Commission was questioning why they were asking for a variation without telling the City what was to be put there. The Committee discussed that the variation had justification at this point and would have been okay if had been justified at the Plan Commission. The Committees recommendation at this point is to move forward. The Committee discussed the plat details with the large plans provided. The Committee j discussed where parking, garages, lot lines, easements, and access will be. The question of who will be doing road maintenance was brought up by Alderwoman Ohare.- The City will take care of the streets, and the homeowners Association will take care of the drive up to the actual drives. The Committee agreedd for the Staff to move forward with setting up a date for this to go for Public Hear'ng. 5) Villas at the Preserve — Annex, Zoning & preliminary Plan — CC pub hear 8/24/04. Alderman Sticka stated this issue has gone thru EDC and was approved. Mr. Graff stated that they need to have Staff review and there are a couple of policy questions that need to be addressed in the agreement. Mr. Kramer stated one of the policy questions he needs to back -up for the special service tax area language which is traditionally used. The other question was in regards to what the Park Board recommending into land cash donations which is generally collected at building permit time. The Park Board would like to have the latitude they need to collect that money at Plat time, which they would have the City Council take care of that. Laura Brown stated this is requested to have more flexibility with funds in building some of the other Parks and will not take as long as it did in collecting money with the Country Hills Subdivision. It will also allow the Park & Rec Department to get some other parks on line faster. The Committee discussed that there are going to be 84 buildings with 2 units in each with a total of 168 populations. This will bring in $123,480.00. Mayor Prochaska stated he does not have a problem with the Committee looking into the fiords coming earlier, but this does need to go to City Council to have it move forward. 7 I Page 8 of 18 Alderwoman Ohare questioned if there is no park planned in this Subdivision, only a trail, can the City request funds at an earlier time to be used for other Parks. Mayor Prochaska stated that in other circumstances, the City has had Developers volunteer the money up front for the City to use right away. Laura Brown added that this money always goes to Regional Services, so if they are using the money towards parks in the area for those Residents to use locally. Tony Graff stated that maybe they could have Laura Brown talk with the Developer regarding this issue to explain the need and see if first they are willing to put a percentage of the money up front and then pay the rest later by their own doing. Mayor Prochaska suggested the idea that maybe they could even give in 3rds to break up the payment more. Gary Taylor, Attorney who is representing the Developer in question, approached the Committee stating that he believes the Developer would be willing to pay half of the funds at Platting and the other half could be spread out over the building permits. The Committee thanked him for his willingness to help out. Tony Graff asked Dan Kramer about the last paragraph on page 6 of the Annex Agreement. Mr. Graff stated that the language regarding `these Development Ordinances shall be frozen from the date of this Agreement and any amendments to these Development Ordinances shall not apply to the Subject Realty except as stated for life safety issues.' Mr. Graff asked if the City is going to be freezing all Ordinances, or is this going to be universally applied to all Developers. Mr. Kramer stated what the City is doing is having a freeze as far as the Building Code for a period of 3 years or 5 years, except for Public Health or Safety Issue. Mayor Prochaska stated as this Agreement reads now it will be frozen for a 20 year period. Mr. Kramer replied that is an issue that he will help clean up with `Gary'. The Committee agreed that this will come back by 9/21/04 COW and then set up for Public Hearing with City Council on 9/28/04. Park Board. Park & Rec Director Laura Brown stated that this is coming before the COW Committee is because IDNR has asked for the City to give them a conceptual drawing and then grading plans so that may match it with their plans for the Dam reconstruction. Laura went over the actual Conceptual Park Plan drawing provided and showed how they incorporated the Park & Recs plans with the Dam Reconstruction and Canoe shoots that IDNR has planned. Laura Brown explained that the Amphitheatre that was previously planned can no longer be placed down by the river due to the noise the canoe shoots are going to cause. She explained the differences of how the park appears now and what will be occurring when IDNR comes in to do their work. She also explained that the gentleman who developed the Canoe bypass also develops these out in Colorado and has done work with the Olympic shoots. 8 I Page 9 of 18 Laura Brown stated that if the Committee would okay the plans and send onto City Council, they can get the plans to IDNR to let them proceed on their end. IDNR will be providing most of the fill to make the canoe shoot possible. She also stated that Phase 1 of the Dam reconstruction will begin next summer. The bridge that is pictured on the Conceptual Plans is an upgrade, which would be at the City's expense, is not what would be provided by IDNR in their Phase 2. It has been recommended to upgrade to something more visual due to the attraction it would give from the Route 47 Bridge. The Committee also discussed the issue of having a fountain for the kids to enjoy at the new park. Phase 2 would begin in year 3 -4, depending on how long it takes to reconstruct most of the Dam and get the canoe shoot dug out and completed. Laura Brown stated that every improvement made on the ground will be the City's cost and will be done in Phases. The parking lots and canoe launch will be completed first so that the facility can be used as soon as possible. The total park will be approximately a 5 acre park. The Committee agreed to move this forward with IDNR to keep the process flowing. Laura Brown informed the Committee that they will need to make a decision regarding the Conceptual Bridge within the next 6- 8 months as well. The City can decide the details of what is actually placed where on land at a later time, IDNR just needs the Conceptual plans to move forward on their end. Laura Brown stated she will go now and put together a 3 -4 phase process of how the Park will come together with this being Land cash funding. She pointed out this is one of the areas where the money will be going for Regional funding from the new Developments since all of the Public will be using the facilities. Administration Committee: The meeting moved ahead on the Agenda to discuss the Grande Reserve Central, North, and South SSA Establishing Ordinances. Peter Raphael from the Grande Reserve started the discussion stating these Ordinances establish the SSA and will not be adopted this evening. He explained that it is now time to establish these areas so that the next step will be a later date to come back and ask for the bond ordinance which will allow the issuance of the bonds. The first bonds that will need to be issued will be in the Central area, with the North and South area bonds being a necessity at a later date. It was explained that the Central Region is from Bristol Ridge up to BNRR on the map provided. Mayor Prochaska stated this will cover infrastructure costs, There was no response from the Public Hearing that was previously held on the issue. Alderwoman Spears questioned if the City should be comfortable with SSA after what has happened in Montgomery with that City having a hard time with collecting the tax from the home- owners. It was explained that Montgomery had SAA in their area, and SSA has been recommended to the City. Mayor Prochaska made the Committee aware that they need to speak to the County Clerks Office as far as covering the County's additional costs that they will have from setting up these SSA's. Mr. Kramer stated that 9 Page 10 of 18 they have proactively set -up an administrative fee for the County to cover these costs that will be endured. Mr. Raphael also added that each of the SSA's already having an administrative fee to cover Trustee, County and City costs. Mr. Kramer stated that the money owed by the home - owners will be directly billed on the real estate bills. That way there is no separate billing. Mr. Raphael stated that in October they will come to request the SSA Central Bond. The Committee discussed that they should have informational packets available to the public as to what the SSA is and how it works. A phone number available as well for the pudic to have questions answered. The Committee agreed that point had to be stressed. It was also pointed out by Mayor Prochaska to inform the Public that the people who are buying these lots to come, are paying for all the improvements that go along with the Development as well. Mr. Kramer explained that if sales are slow, there will be reserved funds available to pay the bonds with no recourse to the City. It will also not effect the City's credit rating. There is also an outside Consultant who has been hired to make sure the bonds go thru properly and make sure the public is informed about the SSA. With the SSA staying with whoever owns the home down the road, the 800# will still be available to the Public as needed until the SSA is paid off. Mr. Kramer recommended for the City itself not to get involved in the informational end of the SSA issue so that the City does not have to worry about having the proper disclosure. The Committee discussed the difficulty of not being able to recapture the funds to build schools with a SSA. The Committee agreed to move this forward to the City Council Agenda. Public Works Committee: The meeting moved back to the next item on the Agenda. 1) Subdivision Control Ordinance — COW 8/17/04: This issue will come back to COW on 9/21/04 to give time for the corrections to be made that were brought up previously. It was also brought up by Mr. Kramer that City Engineer, Joe Wywrot had suggested to have the Developers report the range of depth on various utilities so that the City is informed where they lay under ground. This can be added to the Subdivision Control Ordinance before the next COW meeting as well. 2) USGS Groundwater Study — Phase 2 & 3 County Funding -- PW 8/23/04: Alderman Kot said the PW Committee chose to move along, except they were questioning why the County had not contributed fully in Phase 1. Mayor Prochaska stated that this Study the County had contributed fully to this Study; it was the Blackberry Creek Watershed Study they voted on only partial funding. Alderwoman Ohare asked if these amounts did seam reasonable to the Committee. Mr. Graff responded it was a justified amount. It was discussed among the Committee members the point that as the City grows they will need to know what shallow waters, down to 40feet, can be blended in with the rest of the 10 Page 11 of 18 City's water supply. The money is to be budgeted in the years from 2005 -2008 to pay for the Study. As far as how the neighboring Communities were divided as to how much each will pay, it seems that was determined by how big the actual Community is in population. Mr. Graff was asked to look into how these amounts were exactly determined. The Committee is being asked to be committed now due to USGS's budget starting in November of this year. The Committee agreed to commit and this issue will move onto the next City Council meeting with the information Mr. Graff receives regarding the division of money from the different Communities. This will be brought not as Consent Agenda. 3) Countryside Pump Station Bid Opening Results — PW 8/23/04: Alderman Kot explained why the Public Works is agreeing with the recommendation of going with the second lowest bid. Mr. Kramer agreed with the letter of recommendation for choice B) WEMCo Model F6K -S and urged the Committee to move forward. With the money being available for the higher bid the Committee agreed to send on to City Council as Consent Agenda. 4) Deuchler Engineering Agreement for Bruell/Woodworth Pump Station — PW 8/23/04: The PW Committee wants this to move forward as long as the language with the Easements in section 2.4.4 is reviewed and excepted by Mr. Kramer. The COW Committee agreed to move forward with this issue and put to City Council as Consent Agenda. This will be paid for out of the Bond from Bruell Street 5) EEI Scope of Service for Southwest Watermain Project — PW 8/23/04: Mr. Kot I started the discussion stated that this is Developer driven; the only question that arose was the funding for this. Mr. Graff replied that this will be funded by Developers. This l will be subject to receiving funds, which are expected to have some of the deposit in the next few days. The City is negotiating the rest of the funding now. The Committee agreed to move to City Council on Consent Agenda subject to receiving funding. 6) Water Works System Needs Assessment and Project Plan IEPA Loan — Re- initiation and Re- submittal — PW 8/23/04: Mr. Graff stated that the City had submitted the IEPA Loan plan based on the previous Business/Project Plan. He explained that the City now has to do a re- submittal due to the IEPA had comments at the March/April review. The City now has to have the re- submittal in by 11/01/04 to meet the new deadline. Once the paperwork is in order and re- submitted, discretionary funds will be available since the 11/01/04 deadline will not be met. The next step will be to do a Public Hearing in December as well as taking care of the notices and sign -offs. Tracy Pleckham and Mr. Graff are confident to receive funds even with Yorkville being the second group that is to be looked at. The fee from EEI will be approximately $15,000.00 to revise the Project Plan and resubmit for the City of Yorkville. The Committee agreed to move this to City Council on Consent Agenda i 11 I Page 12 of 18 7) Raintree Village — IDOT Highway Permit: This issue had a few technical changes made according to Mr. Kramer, but is still the basic IDOT permit for doing roadway improvements on Route 71 at Raintree Road. The Committee agreed this needs to keep moving forward. Mr. Kramer stated that the City needs to pass a resolution stating that the City approves them for granting a permit at that location for the work to be done. This will go onto City Council as Consent Agenda. Public Safety Committee: 1) The Committee briefly discussed that the Police Department has recommended that the Trick or Treat Hours for Halloween be kept from 4:00 — 7:00 p.m. even with Halloween being on Sunday this year. This did not go to Public Safety due to the meeting date and the next meeting will not be until early October and this needed to move on. 2) The PS Committee has had a request from Chief Martin to have a Crossing Guard placed at Route 126 and Mill Street. The cost should be in the area of $3,750.00 for a morning and afternoon guard for a year. Chief Martin stated he would like to revisit this issue in 90 days to make sure the need is still there at that time, Chief Martin added that Eric Dhuse is working to reduce the speed limit in the area thru IDOT to help out in that area. The Committee agreed to move this to City Council as Consent Agenda subject to a 90 day review. Tracy Pleckham stated some of the money is available in the Crossing Guard line item and some money can come out of the overtime line item. Chief Martin has someone to fill in, if not take the position, until the job is filled for certain. Administration Committee: 1 -4) Alderman James started the discussion stating he would like to speak about the first 4 items on the Admin. Agenda together. They are all job descriptions that have been identified as a need for the City to have filled now or in the near future. All of the positions have been budgeted for already. Tracy Pleckham added that the budget called for a Full-Time Accounting Clerk position and now the City Staff is only asking for a Part -Time Position to be filled. All the job descriptions have been looked over by the City's Labor Attorney and have been cleaned up accordingly. Alderwoman Spears questioned what the salary will be for the Payroll/Benefits Specialist. Tracy Pleckham replied that the Committee had decided to stay around $26,900.00 to $49,000.00 which is the same as General Support Administration. Alderwoman Spears passed around handouts for the Committee which did show the results of research she had done as far as surrounding Communities Office Staff Positions filled and their Salary ranges. Alderwoman Spears stated this was done to show how few positions were needed in other communities compared to what the City of Yorkville has. Alderwoman Spears stated she felt it is not justified to have all the Positions that are now being requested for Office Personnel. She stated that the right way for the City to go is in hiring an Office Manager who can evenly distribute the work load the way the other Communities are doing it. 12 Page 13 of 18 Alderman James stated that the Committee should stick to the Personnel at Yorkville and look at the work load they currently have and how it will change as the City continues to grow. Mayor Prochaska added that these positions were created do to a work study that had previously been done to show where the City of Yorkville needed more employees. Alderman James also stated with all the Development in the City boundaries, this is the time to have more staff on hand to handle all the paperwork and phone calls that goes along with it. Alderwoman Spears and Alderwoman Burd questioned then how the other Communities with comparable growth are handling their work load with fewer employees. It was pointed out as far as Oswego goes; they have a Park District, not just a Park Department like Yorkville. Oswego also has a Library District, not just a Library. All that accounting is done thru the City's Accounting Department, unlike Oswego where their Districts handle that Accounting work load themselves, not thru the City's main Accounting Personnel. The Committee discussed the differences in how the Communities are run as far as finance and accounting from the hand -outs Alderwoman Spears brought to the Committee. Mayor Prochaska reiterated the fact that the time study was done as justification for the new job descriptions to be a necessity. This Committee at that time asked for the Job Descriptions to be made and brought back and that is where the process stands now. Alderwoman Ohare added that she has never seen the Staff not working at a constant pace when she has been in and out of the City Offices. Alderman Sticka added that he questioned if the Staff are at a point where they can't handle any more, then it is time to add more Staff irregardless of what other Communities have employed as finance and accounting Staff. Alderman Munns agreed that if the City's Employees are working a normal business day and still having work left to be done constantly, then the City should add some more positions. Once again Mayor Prochaska stated that this need was felt by Staff, the work Study was done and has gone thru the COW Committee with recommendation to City Council to approve. He also stated that when in the Committee Meetings another task is found to need to be done; the question arises of who is going to able to take on more work. Alderwoman Burd moved on to ask if the Deputy Clerk here at Yorkville needs an assistant when the position in Yorkville only entails Deputy Clerk work: Why are other communities able to have just a Deputy Clerk do the work of the Deputy Clerk plus the some of the Accounting work. Mayor Prochaska brought up the point that in other Communities their City Clerks are Full -Time, where in Yorkville the City Clerk is not. That puts the rest of that work onto the Deputy Clerk. Mr. Kramer added that in Oswego they have Community Development that is separate with 3 planners with 1 -2 Full time Secretaries. In Yorkville, the Deputy Clerk handles a lot of that paperwork. Alderman James stated that the Committee could handle it in one of two ways: 1) Take the recommendation from the Staff in the City Office. 13 Page 14 of 18 2) Spend $10,000.00 to can a Consultant back in to judge if these are a necessity. Alderwoman Burd stated that her concern is to not always just add new positions, but make sure the City's Offices have the work divided properly for the current Staff to be able to handle easier. Alderman Munns stated that if it is felt that the office is not running the way it should, that should be told to the proper Managers or Administrator to correct the situation for the City. City Treasurer Bill Powell approached the Committee regarding what Alderwoman Burd stated on how the work load could be divided differently. He stated that when he comes into the City Office he sees the Finance Director is usually too busy working on other things to be working on Finance. He feels that the City needs to take the extra busy work away from her and give her time to work on Finance. By hiring a payroll/benefits specialist that will take some of the extra work load away from the Finance Director. Mr. Powell stated that he is in the Office quite often and finds the employees always busy. Mr. Graff added that to date the Finance Director has been asked again and again to look into multi -year financial planning. This has not been done due to the lack of Staff to handle the every day work that the Finance Director is currently taking on as well. He stressed the point of hiring the Payroll/Benefits Specialist for the workload and to handle the questions and problems that arise daily with an up to date education and knowledge on the subject. Mr. Graff stated the one position of the Full-Time Janitor is something that has to be filled immediately. Alderman Kot stated that earlier this year this issue was addressed and it was told to City Staff that help would be made available if they could hold out while everything was processed properly, Alderman Kot did ask Mr. Graff if the Committee could have an organizational chart as to how the Office will flow with the new positions. Alderman Kot feels there is no question that these positions are a necessity for the City to run correctly. Alderman James stated to the Committee that the Administration Committee all agreed to the Job Descriptions as presented. Alderwoman Spears questioned if the Experience and Education of the Payroll/Benefits Specialist could be discussed. She felt that someone gaining this position should have more than a High School Degree and 60 Credit Hours of College with Minimum 2 years of Human Resource /payroll experience. Mayor Prochaska commented that the education or experience should be based accordingly with the pay range. Alderwoman Spears brought up that in the past when the City has hired at the lower education/experience range, there have been issues with having to then pay to send that person to classes to better qualify them to then be able to handle the work load. She would like to see the City not make that mistake again. Alderwoman Spears requested that the job description for the Payroll/Benefits Specialist specify that the person hired have an Associates Degree. Alderwoman Spears also stated that she felt that the position that the Payroll/Benefits Specialist would be taking on is not a Full-time position. Alderwoman 14 i Page 15 of 18 Ohare stated that she disagreed and feels that in this field information is constantly changing and should be given the time to keep ahead of the work load. Mayor Prochaska moved on the conversation to state that the person hired will probably not be the top in the field with a high pay scale. It should be a person with experience and the knowledge to handle the tasks at hand. Mr. Graff added that this person will be hiring new employees, looking at the benefits constantly, keeping the personnel files up to date, etc. Alderman James reminded the Committee that what they are looking at this evening is just the job description, which describes the minimum the person to be hired, may have to be a possible candidate to be hired. Alderwoman Spears stated again that looking at the job description she feels this can not possibly keep the new hire busy. She feels that this job along with the others up for question can be handled in 10 minutes a week by the employees the City already has. Alderman James moved the conversation along letting the Committee know these will be coming up again in the near future for the hiring process. Mayor Prochaska stated to the Committee that there job for the evening is to look at the actual job descriptions and decide if that part can move forward. Mayor Prochaska stated that these four job descriptions will be voted on separately. Alderman James also asked the Committee if the job descriptions are passed will they have to come back before the Committee before the City can start to hire for them. Alderwoman Spears replied `as history proves no, they can start to run an ad to hire provided the position is already budgeted for'. Alderman Sticka questioned who does the tasks now that the new positions will take on when hired. Tracy Pleckham stated that if a current employee or spouse were to call in now with Benefit questions, the only person available to answer those questions would be the Accounting Clerk. The Accounting Clerk would have her job description re- evaluated to take some of the work load off of Tracy Pleckham so that Tracy could move on to some of the other requested work by the different Committees. Alderwoman Spears stated that six months ago the City did have on person doing the Accounting and all of the Human Resource work. The Committee reminded Alderwoman Spears that at that point in time the Committee had identified the need to separate the work and lesson the load on one person. City Treasurer Bill Powell once again stepped in to say that he feels very strongly about the need for Tracy Pleckham to have more assistance in the office so that the City Office can run more efficiently and smoothly. Alderman James asked the Committee to have all four of the Job Descriptions move forward. 15 Page 16 of 18 Mr. Graff added that this is a need for the City office to run. There are not enough people to keep the Office running efficiently all the time, especially when others have vacation time away. There has got to be enough people to keep the City moving forward. He questioned why this issue is not going over well, when six months ago it was brought to the Committee and there was absolutely no disagreement. Alderwoman Spears requested that these jobs be brought back before the COW Committee before hiring begins. She also requested that a specific salary be clarified before hiring due to past history with the hiring in the City Office. Mayor Prochaska brought up the fact that the positions have to be set into a range, but the Council can propose a hiring rate if they want. Tracy Pleckham stated to the Committee that the Treasurer and she can not even get to the projects they want to work on because of the lack of help in the office. As far as her and her one other employee in her department letting others help with the Human Resource end, that would be against confidentiality laws. Tracy Pleckbam stated that all of the positions in question have been budgeted for at a higher rate than what is actually needed. The Committee moved to move all four job descriptions on to City Council for consideration. The Committee discussed to not allow hiring a new employee at the top of the range. Alderman James stated he felt that it was a bad idea to set a salary before resumes are even looked at. He feels that will disqualify a good potential employee before even speaking with them Alderman Sticka brought up the point that it seems to him that it is felt by some Committee Members that someone who is presently working for the City is currently being paid too much for the work they are doing. Mr. Sticka asked what has made this feeling come about. Alderwoman Spears brought up that an employee was moved into a new position with the approval of Administration to be paid at entry -level range. Later the fact that the person was hired at midlevel salary range. This event became disheartening to Alderwoman Spears that the Staff did not take direction from the Council. Alderman Sticka then questioned if she felt that person was being paid too much. Alderwoman Spears replied that that was not what she was saying. Mayor Prochaska; brought up the point that the City will get the best person for the money paid. Mayor Prochaska stated that Alderwoman Spears is probably right regarding the way the economy is today, that the City should be able to find the right person closer to the entry -level range. Alderwoman Ohare requested once again that the Committee have made available an organizational chart showing what work goes to whom 16 Page 17 of 18 5) NIU Graduate Internship Program Contract — Admin 8/12/04: Tony Graff stated that they are still waiting for the actual contract from NIU. NIU has formally accepted Mr. Olson into the Internship Program and has been assigned to the City. The Contract will bind him with the City for a two year program. This topic will come back to the next COW meeting. * Alderwoman Burd stated that she had thought of speaking to Northern regarding them being able to help the City with their set -up as far as the flow in the Offices. She also brought up that there is a group of retired City Officials that will also help in the set -up process. Mayor Prochaska stated that the City did have Northern come and do an assessment of their services and had a presentation given to them when it was complete. 6) Mr. Graff started the discussion explaining that Provena provides the standard drug testing regulated by DOT. Alderman Munn stated the specifications that require this type e of testing and brought up the fact that the price should be negotiated due to the high price listed. He requested that whoever is in charge of setting up the testing for the City have them negotiate the price down to at least $45.00 instead of the $55.00 requested The Committee asked if this was a time issue to have done. Laura Brown and d Eric Dhuse stated that presently they do not have anyone doing the DOT testing and it should be completed immediately. Laura Brown also stated that there's a memo missing from the packet that explained the fact that it was looked into and was reviewed by Dunbar & Shaw. The Committee advised Laura Brown to move forward and speak with Provena regarding the price issue to see if they are negotiable. Alderman Munn highly recommended to the Committee that the testing could be found to be done cheaper elsewhere if Provena is not negotiable. Mr. Graff stated that this needs to move forward since there are 8 employees waiting to be tested. The Committee decided to move this onto City Council with the pricing pending. Executive Session: The Committee decided to hold off until the next COW meeting due to the late hour of the meeting. Additional Business: 1) Alderman Besco thanked Laura Brown for coming to the Countryside meeting and giving such a good presentation. 2) Alderman Munns brought up the fact that he has personally been called in regards to the safety issue out by the Soccer field with kids running out into traffic. This will be sent to the Public Safety Council. 3) Alderwoman Burd stated that the owner of OFs thought Laura Brown had done such a good job. 4) Alderwoman Spears asked where the City stood on the emergency generator. Chief Martin replied that it's been ordered. She also questioned what the weekend cost would be. Chief Martin is still waiting for a reply, but will find out. It was explained to the Committee that due to Weather events in other parts of the world, it could be a delay in 17 Page 18 of 18 getting the correct workers back in the area to be able to install it. The office will only have to be closed down for 3 days. 5) Alderwoman Spears asked the Committee members if anyone knew if Pat SummeraU made TV. She also asked if everyone had paid there commitments. Tracy Pleckham stated that the City had received funds today and will have two more coming by Friday, with maybe one more. A list will be made to the Committee of all who participated. 6) Mayor Prochaska stated that IDNR is planning a meeting for the Citizens Committee regarding the Dam on the 30' of September to go over where they are in the design process here at City Hall. The meeting was adjourned at 10:38 pm. Minutes by: Sheila Teausaw 18 PLEASE SIGN IN MEETING: 'gi DATE: NAME STREET ADDRESS CITY (9��� /�� L�2 �� �, ��� per. �T � /�r� %6�✓ n v� 1AJl�ci/(tcn/I L4 bpi �ci ✓w JD 1167 Ili . 1 . 1 1 4r� M S an Zui /I ty /-/ / T x c',W Af VW $o y G