EDC Minutes 2002 11-21-02 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2002 AM
7:00 P.M.� a • l5
In Attendance:
_ Alderman Richard Sticka Alderwoman Valerie Burd Alderman Mike Anderson
Mayor Art Prochaska City Administrator Tony Graff
Guests:
Land Planner Representative of Inland'Real Estate Gary Weber
Planning Director of Inland Real Estate Roger Brown
Rich Gerrard of EEI
MINUTES: OCTOBER 17, 2002
These minutes were approved with corrections.
PC 2002 —16 MENARD'S RESIDENTIAL: Menard Inc., petitioners have filed an application with
the United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois requesting annexation to the United City of
Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall A -1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville R -2 Planned unit
Development. The real property consists of approximately 142 acres and is located on the South side
of Kennedy Road, approximately 1, 300' East of Route 47, Bristol Township, Kendall County,
Illinois.
This item was tabled.
PC 2002 -23 FOX RIVER BLUFFS: Inland Land Appreciation Fund H, LP, petitioners, request 1 1 /i
mile review for RPD -2 Kendall County for the property located at the Northeast corner of Fox and
Highpoint Roads to the Fox River in Kendall County, Illinois.
Alderman Sticka pointed out that this item has already been through the Planning Commission and they
have recommended approval.
Land Planner Rep. Gary Weber of Inland Real Estate stated that their proposed development Fox River
Bluffs is a little over 300 acres and is located at the North east end of Fox and Highpoint. He went on to
describe the lay out of the land. He said that the Eldemain Road alignment cuts through the site. This
alignment has been approved and is established at this point. They are working closely with the Highway
Department in terms of different agreements regarding right of way acquisitions and other issues. Mr.
Weber pointed out that to the North of the subdivision there are some swills and ravines that are wooded.
There are some flood planes along the Fox River that they are also working on. He said that Prairie Pkwy.'s
alignment is with in 800ft. from the site.
Mr. Weber stated that they are proposing to zone the 1 '/z mile review, RPD -2 and Kendall County. They
are also proposing to have a minimum lot size of 1 acre with some lots going up to 2 acres. They will be
proposing 141 single- family lots with a density of .49 dwelling units per acre. They are also proposing to
have an access point to serve the U.S Railment in certain locations. They are still in discussion with the Fire
and Police whether or not they would need emergency access over the railroad and are working through
that process now. There will be a area that will be stubbed for an east for a future connection to a parcel of
land that is property of the Boy Scouts. The intersection at Fox and Eldemain will end up being a 4 -way
full intersection. They are working out with the Highway Department streets that might be culdesacs or
properties that the Highway Department might need to purchase for litigation work and drainage work for
the bridge and roadway.
The development is set up to have real nice buffers. Adjacent to Eldemain there will be a lot of single
loaded culdesacs adjacent to the river to maximize the views. These homes will have private wells and
septic units.
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The current plan has over 30% open space. The only variation they are looking for PB -2 is having lots
larger than 45,000 sq.ft. This has been looked on favorably by the health department and other people with
in the County.
Alderman Richard Sticka mentioned that he had attended a meeting that suggested the County intends to
rename Eldemain Road to Lisbon Road. He said that when the bridge is built and hooks up to the Eldemain
it becomes many more miles of existing road linked from Lisbon Road.
Mayor Prochaska asked Mr. Weber if they plan to dedicate any of the river frontages to the Forest Preserve
or any open public space. Mr. Weber said that they have had discussions with the County of where a
regional bike path would go. Plans have not been resolved whether the County will want the area or not and
if a bike path would be feasible along the edge of the river. Right now the County seems to favor a bike
path along the North side of the railroad but Inland doesn't agree with that because it is close to the Boy
Scout Facility.
Mr. Graff stated that Gerry Dudgen from the County said that the Forest Preserve is now looking at the
railroad as possibly a connection way to the Yorkville bike path. He said that there are some protected areas
with natural ravines and steep ways that by putting in a bike path could cause an impact to the natural areas
and that is why they are looking into the railroad area. Jason Petit from the Forest Preserve will be
assessing the area for a bike path along the river without hindering natural areas. He said they had made
mention of having some dry usable spaces that could be used for parks. They would have to do a site
analysis done to see if there would'be space that is accessible along Eldemain Road for the park spaces and
equipment. There was also a discussion at the Planning Commission and a possible emergency access
going across the tracks. Mr. Weber said that they had spoken with Bristol and Kendall Fire and Police
about the emergency access and they felt it would be more of a nuisance than what they are worth
particularly with the stubs that are there, there will eventually be enough access all throughout the
subdivision. In a temporary situations there are concerns.
Mr. Graff mentioned that there is a concern for a long couldesac that is off from Fox Street. Alderman
Sticka said that the Fire Department doesn't like the long couldesacs because of zoning with a_lot of homes.
The concern would be that many of the residents would be cut off should any emergency come up. Mr.
Graff stated that in Attorney Kramer's letter in the last paragraph that he recommends taking a look at
meshing State Zoning with the,new RPD -2 because there used to be long streets with big lots and now they
are clustered together. The State Housing Ordinance isn't interfering with County ordinance because of
that. Alderman Sticka commented that their Forest Preserve goal is to try and create more public open
space, which in this case seems to go through a forest area by the river. Mr. Weber added that there is a
difference between planning and engineering in the county where the planning concept is to have common
open space in the back of the lots and make the lots smaller but for the wells and septic they want bigger
lots for septic areas. With putting in an open space behind the lots can become a maintenance headache for
some people and what the people really want is a bigger lot.
Mayor Prochaska asked where they were as far as offset plans and coinciding with the County on issues
such as number of streetlights, spacing, trails, and walkways. Mr. Weber said they are purposing a major
boulevard with walkways that would curve up to the north. The streets will mostly be curb and gutter. Mr.
Graff asked how many feet they were going with on the roads. Mr. Weber said that the will be 70 ft. right
of way and 32 ft. in width. Alderman Sticka felt that with having the wider roads and no sidewalks that it
might encourage the cars to drive faster and no place for pedestrians to walk but in the streets. Mayor
Prochaska said that there should be a preliminary plat that would come back. Mr. Graff said that he thinks
the next phase they will see on this after talking with Attorney Kramer would be the final plat. Mr. Graff
said that with the new zoning tactics associated with that and the committee would also be approached with
a site review along with that. Mayor Prochaska recommended that they make it subject to the City's State
Zoning Standards. Mrs. Jill asked if there had been any talk about any annexation agreement. Mr. Graff
said there is not at this point. Mr. Graff pointed out that on the map there is a white area where Eldemain
was not carried over the center - line. Mayor Prochaska said that though the map does not show it, the
verbiage of the Comprehensive Plan shows that the line will be determined between Yorkville and Plano.
Mr. Graff said that with the land use plan there is verbiage that talked about the alignment and when it was
to be recorded by the County.
Alderman Sticka pointed out that if they were to follow the border of Plano and if the whole thing got
annexed within the municipalities, then the area North of Eldemain would be in Plano and the area South of
it would be in Yorkville. Mayor Prochaska said that that is why that portion was left open because we do
not know what will happen with regards to where the line will go. Mr. Brown said that when they had
spoken with Plano they showed no real interest in it since they do not have any plans to go South of the
river. Mayor Prochaska commented that it brings up a good point and that is the alignment is now set then
the City should speak with Plano about what to do with that area.
The committee recommended going forward with the standards of the State's Housing for the 1 %2 Mile
Review.
This item will go to COW on November 26, 2002.
SEPTEMBER 2002 BUILDING PERMIT REPORTS
This item will be sent to COW on Tuesday
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Windett Ridge
This item regarded cleaned up version of the Windett Ridge Annexation Agreement. The committee went
over the agreement and made corrections. Mr. Graff mentioned that as was requested, language was
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changed regarding water terms and could be found on page 6 under F in the second paragraph. See
attached. Mr. Graff pointed out several more changes that had made in the agreement. He said that they
would have a cleaned up version of the agreement in the packet on Tuesday at the City Council meeting.
This item will go to City Council on Tuesday November 26, 200
Highlands Update
Mr. Graff stated that this item has been cleaned up and is in final draft form: He went over some changes
that had been made on pages 12 and 13 and also some cash amounts corrections. See attached. Mayor
Prochaska felt that Attorney Kramer should go over the item to assure wording is correct. Mr. Graff
calculated costs of units for Weisman Huese and Mosier for municipal building fees, which came out to
$405,000. Rich Gerrard said that that would be enough for Phase I, and probably for Phase II. Mr. Graff
said that in order for this to go to City Council on December I O is that Exhibit E would need to be
clarified for review purposes. Mr. Gerrard mentioned that they are not seeking any building code zoning or
any normal variances. They would only like to keep it clean so that all the engineering that's approved
matches all the ordinances. Mr. Graff said that he spoke with EEI today and they told him there were 2
things that they could do, due to the fact that this is all subject to preliminary engineering review. They are
looking at only a street radius or two to make sure they are right. EEI feels that as. a variance they would
need the attorney's advice and since it is a PUD it is minor and probably acceptable. Mayor Prochaska said
that there are some minor things that are the engineer's discretion as long as it is not a major variance to the
ordinance. He felt that they would need a legal opinion on that. When the preliminary review is completed
then they will recommend this to City Engineer Joe Wywrot and he then would sign off on it. Alderman
Sticka asked the total number of units. Mr.Gerrard said that as of now there are 639. This would include
405 single - family units and 117 duplex lots with 234 units. Alderman Sticka asked Mr. Gerrard if they had
things worked out with the blocks regarding water issues. Mr. Gerrard said that they are now reviewing the
costs for a well and whether it would be necessary. The determination has not yet been made for that. They
were to send Mr. Gerrard an estimation of the costs, but he has not received a response from them yet. Mr.
Gerrard said that he did fax a copy of this draft to Dallas Anderson today. Mr. Graff said that he had called
Dallas's office to find when he would get back to them on it and we will probably have a response from
him by Monday. Mr. Graff pointed out that on page 5, Mr. Gerrard added some language clarifying buffer
and screening issues. Jill felt that it was a good addition. Alderman Sticka wondered if these agreements
should be in writing to avoid disputes later on. Mr. Gerrard said that they would do what needs to be done
if they want it in writing. The committee is recommending bringing this item to COW on December 2,
2002. It will first go to Attorney Kramer to look over and then the staff. After that it will go to City Council
on December 10' for their approval.
This item will go to COW on December 3, 2002.
Consent Agenda
Mayor Prochaska stated that he had spoken with City Clerk Jackie Milschewski and they might go to a
consent�agenda. He said that this item will be brought up at all the meetings and will probably be brought to
the Committee of The Whole. Mr. Graff said that at the COW they could have Attorney Kramer and Mrs.
Milschewski could go over a model of the agenda. Mr. Graff said that it is very limited discussion on in
regards to each item that would be listed. It would be like a one liner underneath what the item is and then
any alderman could ask any item on the agenda to be pulled. It would also give the citizens a good
understanding of what is under consent agenda. It would take a motion for that, but it could be pulled if it's
on the consent or request for it. If a person feels that it should be pulled off then there could be a debate and
would need to go to the proper committee. Another reason that it could be pulled is if documents aren't
ready or flawed. It would also happen after hearing the citizen's comments of the agenda. Then there would
be a motion to consent to the agenda as it is presented then a second motion would need to go through to
approve the second agenda.
There were no additional business.
Meeting adjourned at 8:15 a.m.
Minutes by Theresa Brady
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