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EDC Minutes 1999 10-19-99 Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 19, 1999 Meetiniz called to order at 7:00 Dm Attendees: Jim Nanninga Joe Hammer - Shadow Creek Art Prochaska Richard Marker - Heartland Richard Sticka Clayton Marker - Heartland Tom Sowinski Alan Norton - Cannonball Estates Mike Anderson John Lies and other Cannonball Estates supporters (5) Dean Kleronomos Items were discussed out of the order presented on the agenda for the purpose of handling items that would be less lengthy while waiting for the Kendall County Board Room to become available. Agenda items have created a crowd to large to be accommodated in the City's small Conference Room and the meeting will be moved down stairs once the room becomes available. 4. LAND CASH ORDINANCE In the past we have asked for all land cash up front. Bill Dettmer had done a study to develop a formula. Now we ask for a bond or Letter of Credit to cover the improvements. City would then collect a portion with each building permit, and when the City is ready for a park the funds would be there. Marker stated that in his agreement he would pay $40,000. spread out and paid with the first 40 lots built on. Mayor Prochaska stated this won't work in cases where lots are sold off to various builders. A Letter of Credit would be held and as lots are sold the LOC would be reduced. Dan Kramer should have this ready for next EDC. 6. AMERICINN - ANDY PATEL MOTEL - Mr. Patel was not here for this meeting. Staff relayed that a cost analysis was done, and the question is will the City complete the north piece of the roadway? The study reflect that it would take 8 years to recover the approximately $78,000 costs involved. However, this type of business does have a positive effect and increases other area business revenues. This is proposed for the north east corner of Countryside Center and Route #47. Committee would like to see Mr. Patel attend a meeting. The analysis breakdown is that based on a 2,000,000. building, the real estate taxes, sales tax would offset the cost, but construction could not begin before Mr. Patel breaks ground and begins construction. 1 Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 5. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN: This item was on the agenda to serve as a reminder of the upcoming meeting tomorrow to begin discussion of updating the Comp Plan. Rodney Tonelli will make a presentation at that meeting. This is very preliminary and the City will not be seeing anything until after 1/1/2000. There will be several public hearings held just to get input. This is a slow process. 2. PC 99 -09 SHADOW CREEK: Development in Kendall County, within the 1 1/2 miles. Mr. Hammer stated the cul de sac which is longer than allowable will not be changed as it is the only option for this parcel. This is due to the surrounding land use. All agreed that was the case. The developer doesn't want the paths to become a pass through for walkers going to the adjacent Forest Preserve, pathways will be centrally located only. Plan Commission recommended this meet Yorkville's Estate Zoning standards for set - backs. Committee felt the roads should also meet City Estate Zoning. Lighting should be every 500 ft. Most does meet our standards. It will be our official recommendation that they meet those standards. If Kendall County chooses not to require the developer to meet our standards, it has still been requested by Yorkville. Generally there is a pre - annexation agreement also, and Hammer indicated the developer, Ron Wehrli was not interested in doing this.. One entrance off of Route #71 could present an emergency vehicle access problem as this is a one road development, but IDOT surely will not allow another entrance because there would be an insufficient distance between the entrances on route #71 for them to approve. Perhaps there could be emergency access through the Forest Preserve. Hammer stated this could be a problem as well due to the terrain in some places in the Preserve, but added that there is a drive into the adjoining Single Family parcel, and this could be a possible assess. Committee felt that access through the Preserve should be pursued as an option. Mayor Prochaska felt the COW minutes would reflect a recommendation to trade deeper setbacks and more sideyard setback in exchange for developer not meeting the lot width requirements. This should go to COW. 1. PC 99 -04 HEARTLAND: Preliminary Plat & P.U.D. Agreement Mr. Marker, developer of Heartland stated they were now trying to resolve the last few items on the PUD, and need City Council input. He has outlined the issues in a letter that has been distributed (see attached). The developer has proposed a 6.6 acre detention area. The rest will be dry and usable common area. A 6' trail was originally proposed which would be paved. Marker has been before the Park Board twice and the developer feels that an 8' trail is sufficient, stating that Omaha has 75 miles of 8' trails. He did feel Yorkville was taking a leading position seeking trails like this in the community. Marker continued, stated that Wywrot's review letter requiring 10 & 12 foot path caught them of guard as it is not what they want in their development. 2 Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 He asked that the City Council please consider their draft of the PUD, allowing the 12 acres of open space to be allowed in the Parks Board's determinations. This is the equivalent of 20 single family lots and would represent a million dollars in sales, as this project also has to work economically and these demands and denials make that not possible. Tying sump pumps into the storm sewers is $1500. - $1800. per house totaling $360,000. in costs when the property is all sand and gravel. Nanninga agreed it is probably not needed on the north side of town. Mayor Prochaska stated there is no policy on acceptance of trails and the Park Board is feeling their way on this since this is the first development to propose a trail and open space. They are reviewing this project, and at the same time trying to develop a policy. They felt the main trail was acceptable, but some trails don't have the capacity to be added to, and continue through the City, and therefore didn't qualify. Mr. Marker was concerned with the trail and open areas that are not accepted becoming a liability for the development's home owners. Mayor Prochaska stated they would still be City trails and a City liability. Emergency vehicles and maintenance to the tot lot were the reasoning for Wywrot requiring 10 ft. & 12 ft. wide trails. Marker stated that in regard to emergency vehicle access, there is very little need for emergency access, and he was more concerned with being able to keeping all- terrain and other vehicles off the path. Anderson stated that Kane County had locking devices. Marker felt that since there are six easy access points to the trail, 8' is reasonable, adding that Lake Shore Drive in Chicago only has a 10 ft. wide trail the entire length of the Lake front. Greentrails in Lisle has 4 feet, which is too narrow, but 8' is a good width, wide enough to allows 2 way traffic. Sticka stated the Prairie Path is 8' wide. Marker stated that Plainfield has 8 ft. trails. The City's bike path at the Riverfront is 10 ft. Anderson stated that 10' encourages vehicle traffic. Marker stated that some towns do brick to discourage roller - blading, he encourages roller - blading, biking, skateboarding and walking. Sticka stated the path should be 8' wide, we don't need anything wider. Mayor Prochaska stated the City is looking to develop standards, but the City is responsible for the trail's liability. Marker stated that all trails will be accessible to the public, and the open space alone should cover the park donation. Mayor Prochaska stated that there is a concern of more homes in the area and a need for more park facilities in the City and they need the money to expand other facilities. Marker stated he thought the donation of $50,000. was more than a sufficient park donation for his development along with the $40,000. for the tot lot and the trail system. Wywrot's estimate for the donation was $85,390. Sticka was interested to know how that figure was calculated, since that apparently was based on a 10 and 12 ft. trail. Marker pointed out that the 12 acres was voluntary and would represents 20 more lots with 20 more homes which is far more than a park give away. Sticka asked for the purpose of clarifications about the pool being private. Marker stated that the Park Board did not want the pool to be open for membership by residents outside of this development. Marker stated he did this to show his cooperation, and to relieve other park 3 Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 facilities, but really did not want to open it to others either. He felt that opening the pool to the public makes it accessible to residents of other developments and then Heartland is less special. Marker stated he has volunteered a whole lot of open space. Mayor Prochaska stated again that the Park Board is trying to come up with a policy on this issue. They questioned the trail that didn't lead to anyplace, and Sticka stated a trail does not have to have a destination to have value. Mayor Prochaska stated as a City policy we need to give direction on this. Sticka stated all of the trail system has value. Mayor Prochaska stated that in regard to the pool, covenants can go away, and he would rather see this ownership on the title, or a statement in the annexation agreement outlining a special taxing if the covenants fail. The Park Board agrees that the tot lot shall not exceed $40,000. i Sticka stated that the 28' streets are 3' less to maintain over time, and he lives on a 28' street with no traffic problems. Mayor Prochaska stated that the standard that is passed is the standard developers will meet, curbing differences are of less importance. Sowinski felt wider was better for plowing. Sticka stated only until you have to repair them, and that statistics show that narrower roads present a calming effect. Anderson stated this is true. Sowinski stated this is a premier development. Sticka asked where this recommendation for 31' streets came from. Mayor Prochaska stated standards come from staff. Naninga stated they had asked the PD. & FD. for comments, they had both expressed some concern. The EDC committee recommends 28' streets rather than 31'. Marker stated the sump pump connection costs $1500. to $1650. per home without any added value. Nanninga, when asked by Mayor Prochaska, stated he assumed that Sunflower Estates was tying each home's sump pump into the storm sewers. Marker stated he understands that this has been done to prevent home owners from connecting to sanitary sewers, but also understands many of these have been corrected. Marker stated this tie in is a direct conflict with the Northern Illinois Plan Commission's recommendation. Mayor Prochaska agreed the north side percolation is not an issue. Marker stated this Subdivision Ordinance is not a good ordinance, the City would do well to have input from developers working in Yorkville, adding this ordinance has been written by people who have never built a house. Marker stated that the sanitary sewer capacity is the biggest problem, that Steve Roake, his engineer on this project, has found, in his process of checking thing out, that the sanitary sewers have only enough capacity to handle this development along with the still vacant lots in this interceptor's area. This doesn't normally happen, but he feels he should have a guarantee of sanitary sewer capacity for this development. Mayor Prochaska stated he doesn't have a problem with that since this line was never intended to serve more than this area anyway, but there are businesses the City would like to annex in this area who would not be able to hook into this line. Marker stated that apparently there is a constriction in the pipe that if corrected would service about 45 additional homes or the American Legion and Suzy's. Mayor Prochaska stated he 4 Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 would want a time limit on the guarantee, and asked Nanninga for costs on correcting the problem. Sticka stated he supported a guarantee with a time limit. Marker stated he was copied on a letter that the mayor received from Greg Mounts of IDOT regarding the route #34 and McHugh intersection confirming that they will build this intersection the summer of 2001. We would need a wording in the PUD that addresses this issue. He will seek a temporary permit to make that section of road work on a temporary basis. Additionally, Marker wanted to know how he would be re- imbursed if he front funds the $400,000. for this intersection. This development isn't dependent upon that being done right away, but for the commercial area's marketing it would be better. Mayor Prochaska and Nanninga agreed that once money has been spent, it is impossible to be re- imbursed, still nothing can be done without IDOT's approval. Marker stated that because IDOT had this project in the works already, ComEd confirmed to him that they would fund moving power lines and poles. Mayor Prochaska stated that language to cooperate to facilitate the developer would be in PUD agreement. Marker added that sewer and water recapture wording is already in the PUD draft, and perhaps similar wording would work. I Anderson asked if there was a push to get started. Marker stated that the commercial needs the roadway completed to be attractive for business. Mayor Prochaska polled the members and then stated it was the Economic Development Committee's recommendation to credit the developer with the entire trail system, and that it should be 8' wide. Sticka stated the cash donation was still a question. Mayor Prochaska stated they would look at the numbers. Marker asked for consideration of the 11.2 acres around the trail system. Mayor Prochaska stated this would not be ready to go to COW next week, but will be on agenda for COW November 9, 99. 3. PC 99 -05: CANNONBALL ESTATES - Preliminary Plan Mr. Norton stated this development did not required circumventing the Subdivision Control Ordinance even though there are areas of the ordinance he does not agree with. Nothing was asked for, and nothing is expected. He felt this is the terms of doing business here. He does feel that screening roof tops that are 3 times farther off the ROW than those across the road is to much to ask. A 60' foot burm should be a request not a requirement. It is insane that Planning Commission is made up of people living outside of Yorkville, I've added a landscape plan, and even with that, he came out with only 2 in favor and 8 against this development, and I no longer concur with putting the extra landscaping in. Mayor Prochaska stated only 3 members of PC are from outside Yorkville, and this is a different group here and they understand where he is coming from. 5 i Economic Development Committee Minutes - October 19, 1999 Norton stated the lots are 1/2 acre, 17,000 and 12,000, and there are no variances from Ordinance. I will put in landscaping screen as required. Mayor Prochaska stated when he saw the landscaping plan he did not understand why there was such a volume either. North stated that making him comply with or exceed the ordinance spending an additional $27,000 is to satisfy the people across the street who cannot be satisfied. He is meeting the land use and density shown in the comprehensive plan. If I am asked to exceed the Ordinance and Comp. Plan I want to know why. I have been asked to give up half the land and still screen it as well. Why both? This is way beyond the ordinance requirements. John Lies spoke on behalf of this development stating that people should be careful what they wish for, because the snow line to the west of this burm and of Cannonball Trail is going to bury the road. He asked when did we become a bermed community hiding behind hills. His family has developed part of this area and has moved from Yorkville because of this kind of situation and now how many more developers will do the same? Ask yourselves what you are doing to Yorkville! Sticka stated the Country Hills bermed to screen from highway for marketing purposes. Sowinski asked if we have asked Schoppe why this landscape plan is so extreme. Norton asked why we asked for screening the rooftops. Norton stated he bent over backwards to please the Plan Commission on the landscaping & berming and they didn't even address it. No discussion on it being excessive. Let me live by the Ordinance, 69% of lots exceed 12,000, and the Plan Commission rejects based on lot size. Sticka stated the Plan Commission did vote to approve R -2 zoning & then did turn down his plan. A plan that meets the Landscaping Ordinance should be all that is required. Norton stated that the Plan Commission said they should not see rooftops. What is next my car? Most of their houses are closer to the road than mine. These people may want to subdivide one day too. IDOT is putting in a traffic light. Look at what they have already, a dog kennel. Houses are better. Sticka stated he had not seen anything to object to. Sowinski stated he felt Norton should continue the process and go on to COW, and then the public hearing for annexation at City Council. Mayor Prochaska stated the annexation only requires a 3/4 vote (6 votes) at City Council. The voting requirement for the re- zoning issue will be requested from the City attorney, Dan Kramer. This will be on agenda for COW. Adjourned: 10:00 pm Minutes by Sandy Marker 6 Economic Development Committee Meeting October 19, 1999 s. Park Donation • We feel that a partial credit for park donation should be given. • We are providing 19.294 acres of open space (almost three times the acreage required by Yorkville's ordinances). • Facilities for the public use include: Trail system, tot -lot. • Yorkville Master plan calls for 45 miles of trails. Is Yorkville intending to develop, own, and maintain all of the trail system? • If some credit is not given for our 19.294 acres of open space, I feel that well planned projects such as ours will not be developed in Yorkville. And that would not serve Yorkville's purposes. • The Heartland development is providing for recreational needs of 186 single family homes with the trail system, tot -lot, clubhouse and swimming pool. These are services that the Park Board will not have to provide. We should be given a credit for this. • The open space, tot -lot and trail system will cater to all of the residents of Yorkville of which approximately 25% of the Yorkville population resides directly to the South of this development Richard Marker Associates, Inc. conceived the land plan for Heartland in Yorkville that includes the trail system and 19.5 acres of open space. We envisioned a trail system, paved six (6) feet wide (one -foot wider than a public sidewalk) meandering through the open space. We have met with the Park Board twice and talked with the City staff and City Council members to discuss different concerns. We have made a very reasonable offer to the City regarding the trail system and open space (copy is attached). We suggested that the Developer, Park Board and City staff work together to plan the trail system and Tot -Lot. On October 11, 1999 we received a letter from Joe Wywrot. We were told: • What part of the trail system the City will accept • What part of the trail system the city would not accept ❑ Where the Tot -Lot should be located • How wide the trail system should be (10 feet and 12 feet wide) • How thick the trail should be This wasn't exactly our idea of working together... Our Meandering trail system has now become the Yorkville Boulevard System. Twelve (12) feet wide allows two Lincoln Continental Automobiles to pass in opposite directions with four (4) inches of clearance. 2. Sump Pump Discharge ❑ None of the existing residences on the entire perimeter of the Heartland development have their sump pump connected to the storm sewers. ❑ Our entire site drains internally within the Heartland Development. ❑ Our lots back up to large open areas. ❑ We have talked to the farmer on this property. We have examined new construction excavations in this area. We have talked to City staff regarding the soil at the Heartland development. All agree that the sub -soil is sand and gravel and that the property drains fast. ❑ The Farmer has stated that he is one of the earliest to plant in the spring because of the good natural drainage. ❑ The Northern Illinois Plan Commission recommends strongly that sump pumps should not be connected to the storm sewers because of the lack of natural ground filtration and the quality of water purity. Connection to the storm sewer also accelerates storm water run -off. ❑ The cost of connecting the sump pumps to the storm sewers is also very substantial. $1,200 to $1,500 per residence, and for this additional $1,500 the homeowner receives no added benefit. 3. Twenty Eight Foot Street Widths ❑ Only area that we know of that has 31 -foot streets in residential areas is Aurora. ❑ We have completed 14 subdivisions to date and all have 28 -foot wide streets. ❑ School busses and fire trucks have no problem serving these communities. A ladder truck is not required in a residential neighborhood. ❑ 31 foot streets have 10% more street, 10% more cost, 10% more deterioration, 10% more maintenance. ❑ Once again residents of communities don't get any benefit from the added cost of installation and in fact are forced to spend more to maintain the streets. 4. B6- 12Curbs I • Not only do these curbs cost almost $2.00 per foot more to install; they require saw cutting at every driveway. 186 cuts at $500 is $93,000. Again the resident gets no added benefit or value for this expense. • Because a snow plow causes limited damage to a very few lawns is hardly justification for this curb. • B 6 — 12 curbs are desirable at the entryways to the Heartland development and in all commercial areas, but not in the residential areas. S. Sanitary Sewer Line Capacity Our engineer Roake and Associates has determined that a section of eight (8) inch sanitary sewer that services our Heartland in Yorkville development has only enough capacity to service our development. We are requesting that this available line capacity be reserved solely for the Heartland in Yorkville Development. If we are to spend the large amount _. of money necessary to purchase and improve Heartland in Yorkville, it is only reasonable that we are assured sanitary sewer line capacity from the beginning until the completion of all construction. 6. Route 34 and McHugh Road Intersection How to pay for this improvement needs to be discussed so that the annexation agreement can be finalized. 7. New Subdivision Control Ordinance Before any action is taken on the new Subdivision Control Ordinance, the City Council should welcome comments and review by local developers and builders. This ordinance is severe and very much "Developer and Builder Unfriendly ". Summary None of the above items that we are requesting jeopardizes or compromises the well -being and quality of life of Yorkville citizens. In fact, Heartland in Yorkville will enhance the quality of life of all citizens of Yorkville. Whereas the 31 foot wide streets, piped sump pump discharge and B6 -12 curbs offer no enhancement to quality of Life. They merely add $500,000 to the cost of the homes to be built with no direct or indirect benefit to the residents living in Yorkville. I respectfully request that the above items be carefully considered by the City Council. It is not possible for us to allocate 19.291 acres to open space and install what we consider an Overkill of selected public improvements. Planned Unit Developments by definition are a creative, unique and special way to develop communities. We feel that the Heartland in Yorkville Planned Unit Development as proposed is a wonderful addition to Yorkville. i Thank you for your time and consideration. Richard Marker Associates, Inc. I Richard Marker - President i,�fes /�►c. Architects •Buff fers -DeYelvers 24W. 521NOPSOR d. NOP81 / /e, /L 60540 Open Space and Park Amenities Heartland in Yorkville Land /Cash Ordinance as it pertains to Park Land Heartland in Yorkville is comprised of 186 single family homes and 11.762 acres of commercial. The land planning at Heartland has been skillfully conceived to create 19.294 acres of permanent open space. A 1.4 mile paved trail system meanders through the permanent open space. As a result of consultation with the Park Board, City Staff, and City Council members, we propose the following solution for the Land /Cash ordinance as it pertains to park land: I 1. The Developer will install at their cost, an 8 foot wide continuous asphalt paved trail system, substantially as indicated on the Preliminary Plat. 2. The final planning for the trail system will be a joint effort of the Developer, the Park Board, and the City Staff. 3. The Developer shall grant to the City of Yorkville a permanent public pedestrian access easement to all public trail systems. 4. The Developer at his expense, will install a public tot =lot adjacent to the trail system. 5. The final location and planning for the tot -lot will be a joint effort of the Developer, the Park Board, and the City Staff. 6. The Developer shall grant to the City of Yorkville a permanent public pedestrian access easement and maintenance easement to the tot -lot. I 7. The Developer/Homeowner's Association shall maintain the trail system. 8. The City of Yorkville shall maintain the tot -lot. • i 9. Both the trail system and the tot -lot shall be included in the City of Yorkville Parks liability insurance coverage. 10. The swimming pool and swim clubhouse shall be open to all residents of the City of Yorkville on a yearly fee basis and at the sole discretion of the Developer/Homeowner's Association. 11. The Developer shall contribute $50,000 cash to the City of Yorkville Park Board. 880.9838108pb0�e 880.9838795AM I Items 1 through 11 shall fulfill any and all obligations that the Developer shall be obligated to under the City of Yorkville Land /Cash Ordinance regarding park land. As per the City of Yorkville Land /Cash Ordinance, the 12.631 acres of open space being provided by the Developer has a value of $473,662. The paved trail system installation is estimated to cost $85,000. The swim club and swimming pool is estimated to cost $160,000. The tot -lot is estimated to cost $40,000. Heartland in Yorkville is providing more that $808,600 in land and public recreational services to the City of Yorkville. We feel that this amount far exceeds the requirements of the City of Yorkville Land/Cash Ordinances as it applies to park land. Respectfully submitted. Richard Marker Associates, Inc. Richard Marker, President