EDC Minutes 2000 11-21-00 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING
NOVEMBER 21, 2000
Attendees:
Mayor Prochaska
Chairman Sticka
Dave Dockstader
Jim Nanninga
1. PC2000 -19 Robert & Gail Fisher. Diane Conover and John & Delores Lies. petitioners
requesting to annex into the United Citv of Yorkville and re -zone from Kendall Countv A -1
Agricultural to United Citv of Yorkville B -3 Service Business District. Route #47 north of
Burlington Tracks.
The City requested that they annex into the City and they agreed to it, and it is moving forward,
and is ready for COW.
2. PC 2000 -20 The Stough Group with Judith I. Bell, Jennie M. Mulvev and Richard
Huston. petitioners reauest a PUD for Senior Housing.
Mr. Bilotta they have agreed to 28 foot roadways.
Chairman Sticka stated that narrower streets have a calming effect on drivers and wider streets
invite higher speeds.
It was suggested the preliminary Plan be reviewed and perhaps leave streets at 25 feet with no
parking, as its older people and that should encourage slower traffic. This whole are is expected
to be no parking.
Mayor Prochaska stated that these seniors crossing the road to get to the community building
presents a hazard.
Chairman Sticka stated that at least one side should be no parking. There is also a question on
the unit size which is approximately 700 square feet being adequate. And, parking which by our
own ordinance requires 2 parking spaces per unit.
Mr. Bilotta stated that this will be 1.8 per unit. The senior housing in Countryside has less than
this, and only 70% of the these seniors on average have cars, they use a buddy system heavily,
plus family assistance.
Chairman Sticka stated he would like to see one of their other developments.
Mr. Bilotta stated he would love to take them to see another of their sites.
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Mayor Prochaska asked about the covered parking which is required by City standards.
Mr. Bilotta stated that these kind of improvements make this type of development un- affordable
to build, and they have staff on site that clean off cars and move them in and out, and have their
own equipment on site to plow. They can't do the covered parking.
Mr. Bilotta stated that in other developments they have private roads. This development has one
road that will be common with other areas.
Mayor Prochaska stated that travel here would be from one private road to another private road.
Mr. Bilotta stated this could be put in the PUD agreement.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the roadway should be 28 feet as this is the same as the road in Fox
Highlands that connects to this road.
Chairman Sticka stated that perhaps the road in Fox Highlands should also be 25 feet.
Alderman Dockstader stated he likes the 28 foot streets, when coming out of here in the evening
the sun will be in your eyes.
Chairman Sticka stated that is the width of Game Farm Road.
Mayor Prochaska stated that there is a job in the road, but winding does slow traffic.
Alderwoman Burd asked about the speed limit.
Mr. Bilotta stated they post this at 30 mph.
Chairman Sticka stated he had spoken to the Chief about speeds in Countryside and found out
that in private areas we can't do much about it.
Mayor Prochaska asked bout the space between buildings.
Chairman Sticka stated there are a lot of things here that are issues.
Mr. Bilotta invited everyone to come to one of their other sites to see for themselves.
Chairman Sticka asked if there was any interest in a tour.
Alderwoman Burd stated yes.
Alderman Dockstader stated yes, if he was in town.
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Mayor Prochaska asked about the distance to the property line.
Mr. Bilotta stated they would like to see Princeton or Lyons, but they also have two under
construction now. One in Lockport and one in Lemont.
Chairman Sticka stated he wants to se one where people are living. There is a density issue here
of 5 vs. 5.8 units per acre.
Mr. Bilotta stated they have to ask for variances to make these developments viable.
Chairman Sticka suggested calling aldermen in other towns where they have their housing.
Mr. Bilotta stated Bellwood was done in 1996 and Roselle was done in 1991. Carlinville is
down state.
Alderwoman Burd asked if they are all the same.
Mr. Bilotta stated that in the first one they used Wausau Homes, but they haven't since then.
Alderman Dockstader stated that they should take this to COW with variances and a trip to visit a
location to come up with a recommendation.
Mayor Prochaska stated they are looking at differences and at some time in the future we will
need to look at senior housing as a separate issue. However, there is a way to get the 10 feet
between buildings without a variance. Green space and distance doesn't matter what age the
resident is.
Chairman Sticka stated that was probably right, we need to look at a separate standard for senior
housing.
Alderwoman Burd stated she felt making one less unit would make everything work.
Mr. Bilotta stated that the costing is close and due to the low rent they don't make much profit so
economically that doesn't work.
Chairman Sticka stated there was an overall benefit to Yorkville.
Mr. Bilotta stated that a trip to see another site would probably help them to feel better about
this. Also Yorkville residents do have number 1 preference, and their relatives are number 2.
Number 3 is previous residents. They meet local needs first. These are all one story, low density
and a limited partnership.
Alderman Dockstated stated he had concerns with entry onto route #47.
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Mayor Prochaska stated the Stough group should have discussion with IDOT anyway, to see if
they want a deceleration lane.
Chairman Sticka agreed, stating what IDOT wants is not for us to decide.
Mr. Bilotta stated they are putting in a deceleration lane in Lockport.
Chairman Sticka stated this should go to COW with comments, and a site visit and discussion.
3. PC 2000 -22 Paul D. & Cvnthia Buck, petitioners request rezoning from United Citv of
Yorkville R -2 One Familv Residence District to B -3 Service Business District. Fox & Rte #47.
Chairman Sticka stated that the City of Yorkville asked that this zoning be changed to
conformance. Mr. Buck has no intent to bring business at this time. The building is being used
for storage.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the B -2 is generally more commercial & retail while B -3 is more
sales and service business.
Chairman Sticka stated that Plan Commission had no problem with this.
Mayor Prochaska stated it is on the highway so it is natural for them to look to a highway use.
Chairman Sticka stated he had no problem with this and it should go to COW for the City
Council's discussion and recommendation.
4. PC 2000 -24 Fox Mill Landina_ - Paul Snowwhite and Carl Anderson rea_uestina a revision
to the existiniz PUD.
Sarah Snowwhite spoke for the petitioner stating they found no sewer on Mill Street and as a
result they want to tie into the storm sewer at Mill Street and Hydraulic. They are also looking
to delay sidewalk while the Burd residence is still there to avoid taking down big trees.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the City sidewalk is on the west side of the street.
Chairman Sticka suggested that the sidewalk issue be put off to a later time.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the sidewalk issue should not be forgiven, but only delayed.
Alderwoman Burd stated that the sidewalk from Halt Club to the Right -of -way for the Railroad
does not touch their property, they are landlocked where they are with only an easement.
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Mayor Prochaska stated the sidewalk will be required when the balance of this development is
done. Attorney Kramer will need to draft an amendment to the PUD.
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5. PC 2000 -25 Gail Fisher, Delores J. Lies and Diane J. Conover and John G. Conover
request re- zoning from R -2 One Family Residence District to B -2 General Business District.
Near southwest corner Cannonball & Route #34.
Jim Ratos stated he has 8 acres here and want to purchase the subject piece which borders his
property on the east. The existing piece is zoned B -2 and he is asking for B -2 on this piece as
well.
Chairman Sticka stated there has been some concern from area property owners about zoning on
the corner which is already B -2. Concerns about access is the other issue.
Mr. Ratos stated there will be an easement across the corner parcel and no traffic will enter from
behind this property. All traffic will have direct access from route #34 or from the corner parcel.
They want the restaurant to be on the east parcel to have a view of the lake.
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Mayor Prochaska asked about access off of route #34.
Mr. Ratos stated IDOT tells him they will allow a driveway from route #34.
Chairman Sticka stated the issue is re- zoning.
Mayor Prochaska stated it appears it should be re- zoned.
Mr. Ratos stated his attorney has talked to IDOT for access onto route #34. There will be 1000
feet of frontage on route #34. He will do a traffic study to see if it will be right in and right -out
only or what IDOT wants.
Mayor Prochaska stated developing as R -2 along route #34 is remote.
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Chairman Sticka stated this should go to COW for discussion of the Council.
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6. Proposed Ordinance Amendment to Title 10. Chapter 8. Articles A & B. Section 3 of the
Municipal Code concerning Tattoo & Bodv Piercing establishments.
Chairman Sticka stated that this was unanimous at Plan Commission.
Mayor Prochaska stated that Attorney Kramer had given an explanation of the M -1 and M -2
Special Uses with the requirement of 500 feet minimum between and businesses of this type, and
explained there will be a $ 100. licensing fee.
7. R -1 Zoning Issue for Well and/or Septic but not both
Chairman Sticka asked if it is safe to have both well and septic on 18,000 square foot lots.
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Mayor Prochaska stated that the City has 1 acre Estate Lots that can safely accommodate both
well and septic. This is intended to service areas where it may be hard or impossible to service
with sewer.
Alderman Dockstader stated that Kendall County has a sheet to explain for a subdivision. Perk
tests results in this area have an extreme range-they are all over the place.
Mayor Prochaska stated the intent is that an entire subdivision would be all well or all septic, not
a mix of both in one development. We would require they all be the same, and areas could not
flip flop from well to septic or vice versus. Attorney Kramer can put verbiage together and come
back to EDC for review.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Mr. Nanninga stated that there is a problem with the restricted YBSD. He proposes to encourage
the 2 million loan or bond issue. They have an EPA application for 8.22 million to triple the
size. This would mean 3 years on restricted status. One year, or one and a half, is not a problem,
but they are not motivated and figuring the difference in the loan figures to finish a smaller
portion would be $27,541. per year. If the City paid the difference, the money would come back
to us. There are new deals coming and this could mean $250,000. to the City.
Chairman Sticka stated those revenues would be if they bring commercial instead of housing.
Alderman Dockstader agreed with Chairman Sticka.
Mayor Prochaska stated that the Menards and others in their shopping are will break ground in
the Spring, and we do have several parties interested in t he Business Park.
Chairman Sticka stated that without the sewer available the tax dollars will drive right out of
town, right past us.
Alderman Dockstader stated that if the City pursues this, we need to educate the people about
what is happening.
Mayor Prochaska stated we can't tell developers to come our of secrecy, so we can get approval
on projects.
EDC IMPACT STUDY ON DAM
Mayor Prochaska stated that he and Alderwoman Spears met with NIU and are looking at an
EDC Impact Study on the Dam. they have talked with the group from the Center for
Government Studies. There is a two part process for grant money.
1. Study the Dam and EDC Impact.
2. An overall downtown plan, in a condensed area.
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They got two proposals for #1. its a three step task. The cost for phase #1 $3500. to $5000.
depending on the scope. They should take the time to look a the economic impact. The other for
the Downtown would be $22,100. and would encompass Mill to Morgan and from the River up
to Fox. They will re -look to include the courthouse area. The second one could be broken into
segments. He is asking for thoughts from the council on this.
Chairman Sticka asked what is the value of the Dam study, if we don't decide if it stays or goes.
Mayor Prochaska stated we could use it for our argument with the DNR.
Chairman Sticka asked when it would be completed and where would we fund it from.
Mayor Prochaska stated that if we want to know what is the best use, we have to try to find out.
Alderman Dockstader stated perhaps we could get grant money.
Mayor Prochaska stated that a planning grant is a possibility. They are looking into working it
into the budget and keep everyone informed.
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Chairman Sticka stated it is good to gain understanding, and from the standpoint of EDC, it
should go forward.
Adjourned at 8:45 PM
Minutes by Sandy Marker
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