EDC Minutes 2000 04-18-00 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MINUTES
APRIL 18, 2000
Convened: 7:00 PM
Guest list attached to permanent record
PC 2000 -05 SUNFLOWER ESTATES - FINAL PLAT - UNIT 2
Jeff Humm. on behalf of Inland Real Estate & Development stated he had received the SSA from
Dan Kramer's office today. This is a backup for failure of the homeowners association only. This
should have been done earlier when Unit 1 was finished, but this will cover both these units. He is
gathering the bonds and fees. There is no dispute on fees, and engineering has been resolved.
IDOT has given verbal approval and a permit has been issued.
Chairman Sticka asked for anything additional, and with no additional comments stated this
should go to COW on 4/20/00.
PC 99 -04 HEARTLAND - FINAL PLAT & PLAN - UNIT 1
Richard Marker, developer stated they have resolved issues, and he agrees with the review
comments. Final engineering has been like pulling teeth as he submitted final engineering and then
engineering had to be submitted to YBSD for Deuchler to review. This was the wrong time to
add another engineering review. They have made many changes, some of which are at cost to the
City, and we have been in a circular argument trying to get through this, but 95% of questions are
resolved and Steve Roake has almost completed revisions to please YBSD, the City of Yorkville
and Richard Marker Associates. Marker stated that Heartland has been put in the position of
being the first developer to deal with a whole string of new policies and issues some rather late in
the game. This was the case for the review being done by Deuchler on behalf of YBSD at a, cost
of $.50 per foot which has to be done before the plat is signed.
Sticka stated that YBSD should not impose any requirements and fees in the middle of a
developers process. Nanninga stated they have to sign the IEPA permit and there are a few
developments that were in progress some with preliminary approval already.
Marker stated the consequences are that Deuchler's concerns are directed to YBSD's needs and
desires, and they made over - sizing demands that effect the City.
Burd stated we all need to get on the same line and page.
Marker stated that he had met with IDOT along with Wywrot for the purpose of finalizing the
re- routing of McHugh & the development of Menards has thrown a wrench into the process.
Their development means that McHugh will now be a four way intersection, extending McHugh
to the North. The are trying to solve the curve and intersection. It is a different standard, and
they had the 3 way resolved. It now means a new layout for the intersection and they could need
additional right -of -way to improve all the way from Orchard. Expect construction in the spring,
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and should be done in a year and the final plat now has to be signed by IDOT. As a result of all
the reworking, Marker stated they will not be ready for COW on 4/20.
Burd asked if YBSD had a plan to mesh with the City of Yorkville, a guide.
Marker stated they may be planning for future use with new subdivisions coming in now.
Nanninga stated we need to work with Deuchler on this, to get the job done.
Marker stated they end up requesting things from developer #1 to benefit development #2, and
the City has to maintain and shoulder the cost of over sizing required by YBSD. Steve Roake,
Heartland's engineer is working to resolve issues with Deuchler. If this had been done at a
preliminary level it would have been worked out over the last six months.
Sticka asked if there a problems that can't be resolved.
Marker stated no, the problem is timing, but they are working hard to complete the extra work to
finish up final engineering which also reflects Foxfield II's sewer.
Barry Niles stated that perhaps Deuchler & Wywrot could work together, with less cost. Burd
stated we look at this from two different perspectives.
Nanninga stated he felt the large amount of developments and the size of some that are coming
into Yorkville scared them. Marker stated Deuchler is looking a other loads on the lines.
Nanninga stated in the future this would be done at the time of preliminary not final.
Burd stated it seemed unfair to have to change the plan twice and then have YBSD come along
and force another change due to their review.
Sticka stated it should be done in a better way. Nanninga stated they have to sign the IEPA
permits, so we have no choice.
Mr. Marker thanked the Economic Development Committee.
PC 99 -11 COURTHOUSE SQUARE
Mr. Sheridan stated this development is comprised of 4 small office buildings and a commercial
building at the front. It will carry the same arched lines as the courthouse and agreement will
include a list of uses that will not be included. It will be an Office PUD with limited business uses.
Sticka stated that the Cannonball Trail objectors had presented a list of uses that they object to,
and asked Mr. Sheridan what kind of uses he was seeking.
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Mr. Sheridan stated he was looking perhaps toward a White Hen type of convenience store,
barber shop, coffee shop. Uses that would fit well into the neighborhood, and serve the
courthouse people.
Mrs. Price stated they did not want any business uses at all.
Sticka asked not even if it is on your list?
Mr. Henne stated that the two open lots were objectionable, and he was not objectionable to an
office PUD. Only office. Opposed to any sort of business.
Sticka asked if they objected to medium density as shown on the Comprehensive Plan.
Mrs. Price stated no they were not opposed to that use.
Mr. Henne stated business going to residential... it is normal to buffer this change.
Mayor Prochaska stated there would be office use between the business use and homes, as well as
a buffer of trees and landscaping.
Mr. Sheridan stated they would be happy to review the list with the Cannonball Trail people.
Burd asked if they object to the zoning on the other side of route #34.
Mrs. Price stated they do not object to the zoning across the street. Mrs. Price stated they had
gone to court and zoning change was denied.
Sowinski stated the City can change the Comprehensive Plan. Will they challenge that if the City
changes it to business uses.
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Mayor Prochaska stated he doubted it would be challenged because the City controls what zoning
is on this parcel. We feel this zoning makes good sense because route #34 is a commercial
corridor.
Mrs. Price stated the court documents are valid in the county.
Sowinski stated the Comprehensive Plan is subject to change, it is after all only a plan.
Mrs. Price stated they had a right to expect it not to change, and they don't feel it is needed in this
case.
Sowinski stated this is a primary corner on a major highway.
Sticka stated he would prefer offices to town - homes.
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Mrs. Price stated they don't object to office.
Sticka stated there is not enough demand for offices in the area now to support that many offices
on this parcel at this time.
Mr. Sheridan stated it is logical to do this. Before he bought this property he asked about a
gasoline station and got a favorable response, and he has tried to take the appropriate steps.
Nanninga stated the mayor then supported business.
Mayor Prochaska stated this could be 30 town - homes.
Mr. Sheridan stated his plan adds no children, but in fact adds tax dollars.
Mr. Henne stated the neighbors were not asked and the City and County Comp. Plans show this
as R -3 residential, town - homes.
Sticka stated that the potential for single family on that corner is not great, but apartments will be
there forever. Town -homes are not a threat.
Mayor Prochaska asked the chairman to move on.
Sticka stated the function of the Economic Development Committee is to make a
recommendation.
Mr. Sheridan stated he and his wife are willing to sign an agreement to own this property all their
lives.
Sticka stated that economically the City of Yorkville income comes from business, but that is not
the only criteria and he understands the concerns and desires for all office.
Mayor Prochaska stated that only for now they are happy with office, before they sent a letter
wanting only residential. There is not a shred of evidence that this zoning would diminish
property values or any testimony that it would increase.
Sticka stated Plan Commission voted 9 to 1 against, they felt it hadn't been defined enough.
Mr. Sheridan asked if he would bring it back with drawings of the buildings. Plan Commission
did not look a the drawings showing the bermed area. They did not want another evening of
neighbors telling them what was wrong.
Sticka stated a list of business uses was picked by the Cannonball people.
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Sowinski stated they could do town - homes.
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Mr. Sheridan stated that is not what he wants to do but he cannot afford to sit on this ro ert
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any longer.
Mayor Prochaska stated that these are people who have invested their money in business.
Mr. Henne stated he has 2 local businesses and has supported Yorkville all their lives.
Burd stated that Mr. Henne must have identified route #34 as business when you wanted to build
a Burger King.
Mrs. Price stated that it was zoned business prior to 1974.
Sowinski stated that proves plans change.
Mrs. Price stated office is not a drastic change.
Mayor Prochaska stated that on the Kendall County Resource Plan route #34 is identified as a
transportation corridor and appears to be an urbanized corridor and shows it not as a good
situation for residential. Life changes.
Sticka stated there is some opposition in City Council. Burd stated that they don't want
town - homes.
Mr. Sheridan stated he would like to proceed, and that they could modify as they have tried to.
He has a right to ask for a change. A Comprehensive Plan is only a guide.
Sticka stated yes, but the likelihood in some areas to switch to uses not shown is a question.
Mr. Sheridan stated it is legal and would bear the cost of this.
Burd stated the City Council has to decide what we want there, town -homes or what.
Sticka stated that you can't deny the logic of the owner. He purchased this with the expectation
of change considering the location of the courthouse and jail being so close. The Plan
Commission reacted to the Cannonball Trail people.
Mr. Sheridan stated that they have agreed to eliminate many uses, the out lots are reserved for
additional parking if needed. They are willing to look at any reasonable uses if they are specific
uses.
Sticka stated he felt the Cannonball Trail people would object to anything.
Sowinski stated perhaps they could move everything closer to route #34.
Mr. Sheridan stated those lots are open for future demand and he had tried this before and a
football field wouldn't satisfy the Cannonball Trail people.
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Mr. Henne stated they want what is on the Comprehensive Plan and this isn't it.
Mr. Sheridan stated times change.
Mr. Henne stated times have not changed. Burd stated the courthouse and jail are there now, it
has changed.
Sticka stated the Comprehensive Plan will change as it has changed many times over the years,
move on. No recommendation for COW.
Anderson stated let COW decide.
Sowinski asked if Mr. Sheridan would change to a more acceptable plan as discussed.
Sticka stated he could bring reworked plan to COW for discussion... moving plan away from
homes.
Mr. Sheridan thanked everyone for their time.
Meeting comments are attached to permanent record.
PC 2000 -01 PRAIRIE GARDEN
Mr. Sticka asked if Plan Commission items had been addressed, i.e. access road and golf balls.
Mr. Niles stated that as this development is next to the driving range he had some concerns.
Parfection was concerned also about residents being hit with golf balls.
Sticka stated if golf balls leave his property and enters others, is this Mr. Niles problem?
Dockstader stated that at the driving range at route #47 and Jerico they have a real high net, but a
12 ft. fence would screen balls & be easier that retrieving from plantings.
Mr. Niles stated they could possibly move the walking paths. He has seen areas where aluminum
sided homes were riddled with golf ball hits. Perhaps prairie grass and flowers to give some nice
walking area. Berm and plantings that will buffer.
Burd stated that the balls are Parfections problem.
Niles stated he didn't feel the lighting would be a problem.
Sticka asked about emergency access.
Niles stated people feel this is a secluded area and private.
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Sticka asked about a boulevard for two way traffic.
Niles stated he widened the emergency radius at the 4 corners.
Sowinski asked about access through Greenbriar.
Niles stated the Greenbriar lot is designated.
Sticka asked about seniors only.
Niles stated this would be in the PUD agreement, and the entry road has to be 39' wide
back -to -back with a 66' ROW. The sewer will be located elsewhere so the is no congestion along
the roadway.
Sticka asked about the sales tax rebate.
Niles stated IDOT traffic counts do no t show turn lane to be needed. Asking for percentage.
Mayor Prochaska had indicated the City needs to look at traffic flow before considering any %.
Niles stated that lot one has been approved by Dollar General, and he expects 1% would be $20,
000. to $25,000 per year.
Sticka asked Nanninga for comments ... no comments on rebates.
Anderson asked about Wywrot's comments.
Niles stated the sanitary sewer manholes are too far apart. City of Yorkville wants them changed
to not more than 300 ft. apart. Niles has spoken to Kramer who had spoken to Wehrli who is
willing to agree on water. Changes will be reflected on the final engineering plans.
Nanninga stated he has talked to Kramer and he is working on putting an annexation agreement
draft into the City of Yorkville format to include some of Niles things. School Transition fees of
$1500. per unit are excluded for seniors development. A density study has been asked for from
Schoppe which could affect recapture fees.
Niles stated the price range based on a 1200 square foot unit with 2 bedrooms is $137,000 to
$168,000.
Sowinski stated that the streets should be 30'.
Mr. Niles stated yes and should be able to do driveway cuts first. Park land cash should at this
time be cash. There will be covenants.
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Nanninga stated that this is ready to go to COW, and then there may be a delay to work out the
tax rebate before going to City Council. Mr. Niles thanked the committee.
PC 2000 -04 PAUL POCUS ANNEXATION & REZONING
PC 99 -07 NELSON POTTINGER ANNEXATION & REZONING
PC 99 -08 CAROLYN HERRIN ANNEXATION & REZONING
Nanninga stated that these three petitioners were sought out by the City for the purpose of sales
tax.
Sticka stated that Chief Graff has stated he would work to resolve the problems in this area.
Nanninga stated they did have a meeting already and have resolved some of the problems
connected with the Pro Source business. Each problem item will be addressed, and Mr. Pottinger
will be able to use the front of his property as it will be B -3.
SUGAR GROVE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT
Sugar Grove will vote on May 2, 2000 to approve and then we will take to City Council for a
vote as well. Standards & improvements have been addressed and set -backs have been added.
BUILDING DEPARTMENT REPORTS
Reports have been submitted for approval for October, November, December, January &
February. This can go to COW.
Adjourned 9:35 PM
Minutes by Sandy Marker
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