Plan Commission Minutes 2008 09-10-08 Page 1 of 5 APPROVED 11/12/08
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMISSION
YORKVILLE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:00pm
Chairman Anne Lucietto called the meeting to order at 7:05pm.
Roll Call:
Sandra Adams Brian Schillinger
Jack Jones Tom Lindblom (arr. 7:08pm)
Clarence Holdiman Anne Lucietto
Absent: Jeff Baker, Charles Kraupner, Michael Crouch
Other Citv Staff:
Travis Miller, Community Development Director
Stephanie Boettcher
Guests:
Matt Schury, Kendall County Record Dallas Ingemunson, Attorney
Loren Miller Jim Koziol, Koziol Engineering
Dawn Fitzgerald Dan Kramer, Attorney
Clayton Marker, Marker Inc. Lynn Dubajic, YEDC
Lynette Neal, Depo Court Mason Oliver, HRM
Minutes:
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Chairman Lucietto swore in those who would be speaking during the Public Hearings.
Public Hearings:
1. PC 2008 -18 Richard Marker Associates was continued from the August 13,
2008 meeting. They filed an application requesting a special use from B -3
Service Business District to Special use for a drive through on property
located at 728 E. Veterans Parkway.
A motion was made by Schillinger and seconded by Holdiman to re -open the Hearing.
Unanimous approval by voice vote.
(See Court Reporter's Transcript)
The Public Hearing was closed on a motion by Adams and second by Jones. Passed on
unanimous voice vote.
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Discussion
The traffic patterns were discussed and a nearby resident, Dawn Fitzgerald, noted that
traffic in and out of Blackstone Restaurant is often confused. Signs will be erected to
direct traffic according to Clayton Marker.
Travis Miller presented the staff report and said this is the first drive - through to be
processed under the new ordinance. One of his recommendations was to place
directional signage off Farmstead.
Action Item
1. Special Use
Schillinger made a motion to approve PC 2008 -19 subject to staff recommendations.
Jones seconded the motion. Roll call vote: Adams -aye; Schillinger -aye; Jones -aye;
Lindblom -aye; Holdiman-aye; Lucietto -aye. Motion passed unanimously.
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2. PC 2008 -19 Urness Land Company filed an application requesting
annexation and rezoning from Kendall County B -3 Business District to
Planned Unit Development zoning. The property consists of
approximately 2 acres located at 9316 Route 34.
The Public Hearing was opened on a motion and second by Holdiman and Jones,
respectively. Passed unanimously on a voice vote.
(See Court Reporter's Transcript)
The Hearing was closed following a motion by Jones and second by Adams. Approved
unanimously on a voice vote.
Discussion
This property is located where the current playground sales are located on Rt. 34 east of
Rt. 47. The motel -like structure in the rear, would be demolished and Star European
Imports wishes to construct a business here. Attorney Kramer commented that the client
would like to hook up to sewer if the property to the north of Rt. 34 develops in the
future, but would have septic at this point.
The staff report supports a sanitary lift station rather than septic. Travis also discussed
setbacks since this is a PUD. Appearance code compliance is also recommended.
Action Items
i. Annexation
Lindblom made a motion to recommend annexation subject to staff comments. Jones
seconded this motion and it passed unanimously on a roll call vote: Schillinger -aye;
Jones -aye; Lindblom -aye; Holdiman-aye; Adams -aye; Lucietto -aye.
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ii. Zoning
Lindblom moved and Adams seconded a motion to accept the zoning. It passed on a
unanimous roll call vote: Jones -aye; Lindblom -aye; Holdiman-aye; Adams -aye;
Schillinger -aye; Lucietto -aye.
New Business:
1. PC 2008 -21 Loren Miller filed an application requesting a Mile and %
Review. The property consists of .753 acres currently zoned Kendall County
A -1 Agricultural and zoning being sought is M -1 limited manufacturing
district.
Attorney Dallas Ingemunson said his client has contracted a sale of this property. Owner
Loren Miller said the upper portion of his property is zoned M -1 with the County and the
other portion is zoned Ag -1. He explained that there are 2 legal parcels with 2 tax bills.
In staff comments, Travis noted that legal access could be an issue if either parcel was
sold. This property is adjacent to City property at this time, however, City water and
sewer are currently not available in this area and therefore staff did not recommend
annexation at this time. If the City annexes the property, the question arises as to where
the front yard would be located.
Action Item
i. Mile and % Review
A motion was made by Lindblom to recommend acceptance of the change from Ag to
M -1. Jones seconded and the motion passed unanimously on a roll call vote: Lindblom -
aye; Holdiman-aye; Adams -aye; Schillinger -aye; Jones -aye; Lucietto -aye.
Additional Business:
1. Cannonball Trail PUD Amendment Discussion — Request for City Council
Response
Chairman Lucietto recapped a discussion at last month's meeting when the
Commissioners voted to request a response from City Council members who approved a
gas station at the corner at Rt. 34 and Cannonball. This action followed a negative
recommendation by the Plan Commission. This vote was determined to be improper due
to the item not being on the agenda.
Some of the comments included: the Plan Commission reports to the City Council and
should not ask for a response. Safety, health and lighting were of great concern in the
discussion and the vote did not speak well for the way the system should operate. Other
comments included: the time spent on the committee was wasted in the final outcome- -
at one time there was a legal challenge regarding this property and then the City Council
subsequently voted to approve the gas station. Many of the current Council members
were not on the Council during the various talks about this property. This needs to be
brought to the public's attention.
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After much discussion, it was decided that Council members will be asked to come to a
Plan Commission meeting for a face to face discussion. Chairman Lucietto will issue a
formal invitation to the Mayor and Councilmen to attend the next meeting.
2. Steering Committee Make -up for Zoning Ordinance
At the previous meeting a steering committee was suggested to assist with the Zoning
Ordinance revision. The list was reduced in committee member numbers and
recommendations were made as to the make -up since this is a more technical document.
It will take approximately 6 -9 months for the revision. It is hoped the committee can
initially meet in October.
On a motion by Jones and second by Schillinger, a formal recommendation was made
that the list of suggested committee members and additions for the steering committee, is
approved. Roll call vote: Lindblom -aye; Holdiman-aye; Adams -aye, Schillinger -aye;
Jones -aye; Lucietto -aye. Unanimous approval.
Additional Business:
Chairman Lucietto will be attending a Plan Commission workshop on October 18 A
volunteer for a November 8 th workshop was requested. She will ask the City to contact
each Commissioner at a later time, regarding their availability.
Kane County will be holding a workshop on September 24th regarding transit system
improvement. Travis said a City staff may send a representative.
The Planning Consortium will hold a meeting on September 18 at 7pm and the topic is
"water ".
The Comp Plan will be presented on October 28 Commission members are invited to
attend.
Stephanie Boettcher said that the Economic Development Committee asked for
modifications to the proposed commuter rail station in the Comp Plan. They requested it
be located near a more densely populated area. They also requested less buffer and more
mixed use. They will review it again in October at their monthly meeting. This item will
be placed on the next Plan Commission agenda.
Travis commented on the newsletter "Connections" that was handed out during
Hometown Days. The content consists of information about the Integrated
Transportation Plan. The funding is 80% state /federal and 10% from the City. Two
components are being examined: 1) Trail system and 2) Streetscape. An on -line
survey can be completed regarding this study.
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Lynn Dubajic reported on businesses that will be opening soon. She is also working with
other potential retailers.
Lindblom requested Plan Council minutes since some of those items eventually come
before the Plan Commission. He asked for more specifics about locations of some of
those developments.
There was no further business and the meeting was adjourned on a motion and second by
Jones and Schillinger respectively. Unanimous approval on a voice vote.
Meeting adjourned at 8:25pm.
Minutes by
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1 PRESENT:
2 MS. ANNE LUCIETTO, Chairman,
3 MR. BRIAN SCHILLINGER,
4 MR. TOM LINDBLOM,
5 MR. JACK JONES,
6 MR. TRAVIS MILLER,
7 MS. SANDRA ADAMS,
8 MR. CLARENCE HOLDIMAN,
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1 (Whereupon a portion of the
2 hearing was had but not
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4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Okay. Do we have a
07:03PM 5 notion to reopen the public hearing for
6 PC 2008 -18, Richard Marker Associates.
7 MR. SCHILLINGER: I'll entertain the
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9 MR. HOLDIMAN: So moved.
07:03PM 10 COMMISSION MEMBER: Second.
11 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: I hear a motion and
12 a second. All in favor, aye?
13 (Chorus of ayes.)
14 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Not in favor,
07:03PM 15 nay?
16 (No response.)
17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Okay. The public
18 hearing for Richard Marker Associates is open.
19 MR. MARKER: Do you want me to start?
07:03PM 20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Yes, please. State
21 your name and where you live.
22 AUDIENCE MEMBER: I apologize for my
23 informal attire but I came straight from soccer
24 practice. My name is Clayton Marker. I am here
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1 representing Marker & Associates, and we have
2 submitted for a special use for a drive - through on
3 our retail site. We have a 29,000 square foot
4 strip center behind Blackstone that, you know,
07:04PM 5 back when we started the building it went in for
6 permit, we grappled with doing one, not doing one,
7 and we opted to not do it. And of course what
8 happens when you do that, we have a tenant that
9 came to us that needed a drive - through.
07:04PM 10 So we are here asking for -- with a
11 request for special use for the drive - through on
12 the east end of the property, the east end of the
13 side. We have met with plan council, with Travis
14 and Eric Dhuse, and gone through a number of their
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07:04PM 15 comments and resubmitted off of their comments I
16 think to a point where the people on the plan
17 council are pretty comfortable. We tried to
18 address all of the concerns that they had, whether
19 it be signage, traffic patterns, proper stacking.
07:04PM 20 The tenant that we are dealing with
21 is a coffee shop, so the stacking that we would
22 need is four cars. Based upon your ordinance we
23 have had the appropriate spacing and have worked
24 with the plan council to make that work. We have
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1 located on the new plan -- hopefully I think a lot
2 of you have the new plan. I have reduced copies
3 if you would like to see them if you don't have
4 them in your packets.
07: O5PM 5 MR. MILLER: If you have some copies, we
6 will see them.
7 MR. MARKER: They are reduced. That's
8 the one, yep. A lot of the comments that a lot of
9 the plan council brought up, this end of the
07:05PM 10 building, because of the spacing that we have, we
11 took that side of the building and made it one way
12 and did that with a lot of signs, the do- not -enter
13 signs and the no- left -turn signs that we see at
14 the rear of the building that you see at the
07:05PM 15 southeast corner. We have located where our
16 menu /order sign would be at the southeast side of
17 the building down that corner. We have addressed
18 where the out is for the drive - through lane on the
19 east side there, coming out kind of perpendicular
07:06PM 20 to that traffic pattern and then eliminating a few
21 parking spots so we don't get into anyone coming
22 out and one coming out in that spot.
23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Is there anyone in
24 the audience that has any comments or questions?
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1 Did you swear in?
2 MS. FITZGERALD: Yes.
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: State your name and
4 your address for the record.
07:06PM 5 MS. FITZGERALD: Dawn Fitzgerald, 649
6 Hartland Drive. We have some concerns about the
7 traffic patterns. Blackstone is there and it has,
8 you know, caused a lot of people to be doing
9 U -turns into the subdivision, U -turns around the
07:07PM 10 large median that's there. I'm sure the City is
11 aware how many times the sign has been knocked
12 down by people.
13 We want to know about the traffic
14 patterns and what we are going to do to make sure
07:07PM 15 that -- you know, having a drive - through is going
16 to increase traffic patterns. There is a dance
17 school and a daycare there as well and just the
18 increased traffic into the subdivision.
19 MR. MARKER: I think having those three
07:07PM 20 access points into the site and especially having
21 that full access off of Route 34 is going to be
22 the main in and out for that property. The people
23 going eastbound, they will come in off of McHugh
24 and come onto Farmstead, like a lot of people do.
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1 I don't see a whole lot of access from the
2 subdivision.
3 I live probably a thousand feet
4 away from there as well, and I see the traffic
07:07PM 5 coming through every now and then, but I don't see
6 this as a real potential back on Hartland Drive at
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8 MS. FITZGERALD: We see it as a
9 potential issue as far as the -- I mean, getting
07:08PM 10 into the subdivision, you know, you are driving
11 behind somebody and there is a sudden stop because
12 they are doing U -turns because there is no access
13 to get into -- they don't realize there is access
14 on Farmstead to get into the complex. So that's
07:08PM 15 where the issue is coming in.
16 You know, there is so many people
17 and nobody knows that there is an entrance off of
18 34, and if you are turning onto McHugh, people
19 take it for granted there is an entrance there.
07:08PM 20 You have to turn onto Farmstead, they don't know
21 that. There is constant traffic doing U -turns all
22 over, so putting the drive - through in is going to
23 increase that and increase people not knowing
24 where they are going. It is a bizarre traffic
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1 pattern if you live over there to watch people go
2 in and out, especially during pickup times during
3 daycare, in the morning, the afternoon, weekends,
4 I mean, you can sit there for hours and the
07:09PM 5 traffic patterns there are just -- you know, it is
6 just something -- it is just not safe for a lot of
7 people to be going in and out through there
8 because people are confused about the entrance and
9 exits.
07:09PM 10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Are there any other
11 questions from anyone else?
12 MS. FITZGERALD: Thank you.
13 MR. MARKER: There is an entrance sign
14 that Blackstone put in there that will be lit at
07:09PM 15 night.
16 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: There is no one else
17 with any comments? I will entertain a motion to
18 close the public hearing.
19 MS. ADAMS: So moved.
07:09PM 20 MR. SCHILLINGER : Second.
21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: All in favor say
22 aye?
23 (Chorus of ayes.)
24 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Not in favor, nay?
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1 (No response.)
2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: So moved. We will
3 move on to the other public hearing -- I suppose
4 we can do that. Let's talk about it for a little
07:IOPM 5 bit first. Dan, hang on. We are going to do the
6 action -- we will do the action on this one first.
7 (Whereupon a portion of the
8 hearing was had but not
9 herein transcribed.)
07:19PM 10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Now we are moving
11 onto PC 2008 -19, the Urness Land Company. Do we
12 have a motion to open the public hearing?
13 MR. HOLDIMAN: So moved.
14 MR. SCHILLINGER: Second.,
07:19PM 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: All in favor, aye?
16 (Chorus of ayes.)
17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Not in favor, nay?
18 (No response.)
19 MR. KRAMER: Good evening. My name is
07:19PM 20 Daniel J. Kramer. My address is 1107A South
21 Bridge Street, Yorkville, Illinois. I am an
22 attorney licensed to practice law in the state of
23 Illinois, and I represent the co- petitioners,
24 Urness Land Company and Star European Imports. It
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1 is the same folks but, again, they own the land
2 and the LLC and operate the business under a
3 different name. Basically this property you
4 probably remember driving by for years on the
07:20PM 5 south side of Route 34 was where Dick Aubry had
6 the playground equipment company. It was turned
7 inwards so it was kind of an awkward commercial
8 setting. And then behind the main building and a
9 smaller building where he had the playground
07:20PM 10 equipment there were some old apartments that I'm
11 sure started out as an old hotel long before
12 probably any of us were around.
13 The ultimate plan on this is to
14 knock down the old building and get.rid of the
07:20PM 15 apartments and hopefully at some future date -- we
16 showed it on the original plan -- add another
17 office building so it would be a nice attractive
18 addition to the gateway of the City.
19 This property has kind of slid
07:21PM 20 through the cracks over the years. Going all the
21 way back to when Bob Bateman was mayor in 1 82, I
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23 of them -- 39 parcels at that intersection in
24 annexation. This one we could never talk to the
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1 prior owner, never brought it in. Dick did bring
2 it in. And the real difficulty with it -- and our
3 engineer, Jim Koziol, for the record, tonight is
4 here to talk about the layout of it -- has always
07:21PM 5 been sanitary sewer. There is sewers a length
6 away on each side, actually right to the west now,
7 but they literally come up out of the ground when
8 it gets anywhere close to there so you have never
9 been able to hook the sanitary and entice the
07:21PM 10 owners to come in.
11 We think we can either do a small
12 pump and pump to the west, because we are not a
13 big user of water, particularly waste when we get
14 rid of the apartments. That's probably the most
07:21PM 15 practical solution. We just have to work out
16 details and see whether the sanitary district and
17 the City would in effect have us have a private
18 little lift station there. If not, we can make it
19 through on the septic system that we have now
07:22PM 20 until we knock down the apartments, but at some
21 point it is best to get the City utilities. Water
22 is on that new strip center to the west of us so
23 we are going to hook to water from day one.
24 It is a nice one. I'm really sad
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1 that Michael Crouch is not here tonight. I like
2 appearing in front of you when we have no children
3 to bring into the schools. This one is a win /win
4 for the City because with the type of product they
07:22PM 5 sell, there is a boatload of sales tax on these
6 cars and they have gotten to be kind of a business
7 that people come from all over the Chicago area as
8 far as parts business too. So it is great revenue
9 for the City, we don't think any kind of a
07:22PM 10 detriment on City services.
11 We are asking for a positive
12 recommendation to annex the property and then zone
13 it under your PUD ordinance. And, again, this
14 one, as all of you have driven by over the years,
07:23PM 15 it doesn't lend itself to straight zoning well at
16 all because the building's up near the street, the
17 setbacks aren't what we would be doing if we are
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19 loving care because it is an as -is parcel.
07:23PM 20 The one thing we can promise you,
21 based on our expert, his firm is going to be doing
22 a remodel with an addition to it so it will look
23 an awful lot nicer after they are done and they
24 have knocked down the smaller building in the
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1 front that was kind of an eyesore.
2 So I will be happy to answer any
3 questions the public has and myself and if you do,
4 and then what I would like to do is have Jim
07:23PM 5 Koziol give you the before and we have already
6 made some changes to the plan based on staff -- I
7 mean plan council's recommendation.
8 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Anybody have any
9 questions for Dan? Why don't you go ahead and do
07:24PM 10 the report. Thank you.
11 MR. KOZIOL: Good evening. I'm Jim
12 Koziol. I am the consulting engineer on the
13 project. You know, the drawing that you have in
14 your packet, the only difference between this
07:24PM 15 drawing and that drawing at this point is that we
16 removed the parking along the west edge here
17 because it is a -- you know, we were within five
18 feet of the, you know, side setback and after
19 talking to the owner and having this display area
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07:24PM 20 out in front, it was pretty easy to, you know, get
21 rid of that.
22 On the east side we really couldn't
23 get -- you know, we originally talked about
24 removing all of the parking on that side but this
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1 area where it is a proposed addition is another
2 change. The addition you see on here is about a
3 24 -by -72 foot addition. What we are going to end
4 up doing is building the addition and squaring off
07:24PM 5 the entire building. Just looking at it and the
6 logistics of having cars in the showroom, the 24
7 feet wasn't big enough to really maneuver in that
8 area.
9 The problem that the owner had is
07:25PM 10 he really wanted to keep some parking along this
11 side because his customers -- you know, this is
12 the main showroom. He has got service back here,
13 some detailing back in this corner, so most of his
14 customers are going to enter and park on this
07:25PM 15 northeast corner, and to have the -- we are
16 required to have two handicap spaces as close to
17 the entrance as possible, that left us with really
18 no parking up there. So he wanted to -- he would
19 have liked to keep all of the parking along this
07:25PM 20 edge but, you know -- you know, in discussions we
21 ended up turning those parking spaces into eight
22 parallel spaces and he will have that here for
23 overflow. He says on Saturdays he will have as
24 many as 20 cars in there at one time, you know,
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1 customers. So we have plenty of parking at this
2 point for him to have his cars on display out
3 front, some in the showroom, a few over here in
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07:26PM 5 The sanitary is actually located
6 behind the strip center here to the west. An
7 easement already exists, a utility easement
8 already exists, to our property, so we can take
9 the waste that now goes into the septic field into
07:26PM 10 the northwest section here, route that through,
11 and put it into a lift station and pump it into
12 that sewer.
13 Detention, once this building is
14 here we are proposing to put stormwater back here.
07:26PM 15 It is kind of a low area and route it through this
16 storm sewer that currently exists along that west
17 side. That's about it.
18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Does anybody have
19 any questions?
07:26PM 20 MR. JONES: Dan, you have a concept plan
21 of what you think it might look like or what you
22 are thinking it might look like?
23 MR. KOZIOL: Not yet. Dan?
24 MR. KRAMER: They have done mechanical
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1 drawings as far as it but not a, you know, nice
2 color drawing.
3 MR. TOSHAK: Are they going --
4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Name?
07:27PM 5 MR. TOSHAK: Andrew Toshak, 1025 and
6 1015 McHugh, so we share the back of the lot line
7 with this development and then we have footage on
8 McHugh. Is -- the second building, is there like
9 going to be a two -story building or one -story
07:27PM 10 building?
11 MR. KRAMER: Actually, with the second
12 one they are going to have to come back with the
13 PUD ordinance and show all the elevations. They
14 don't have a particular plan on that yet, but,
07:27PM 15 again, we did want to show that eventually they'll
16 would get rid of those apartments and they
17 would -- looks like the footprint could be
18 two - story, we just don't know yet.
19 MR. JONES: Would the lift station be up
07:28PM 20 to city standards, be privately maintained though?
21 MR. KRAMER: Well, it definitely would
22 be city standards, but at least judging from the
23 past, we don't think the governmental agencies
24 want to take a small station like that so, you are
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2 maintained.
3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: I entertain a motion
4 to close the public hearing.
07:28PM 5 MR. JONES: I'll make that motion.
6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Thank you. Second?
7 MS. ADAMS: Second.
8 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: All in favor, aye?
9 (Chorus of ayes.)
10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Not in favor, nay?
11 (No response.)
12 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO: Public hearing is
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5 reported in shorthand the proceedings had at the
6 hearing of the above - entitled cause and that the
7 foregoing Report of Proceedings, Pages 3 through
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9 transcript of my shorthand notes so taken at the
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11 I further certify that I am neither
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13 parties to this suit, nor am I in any way related
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