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Plan Commission Minutes 2006 03-08-06 Page 1 of 4 APPROVED 7/12/06 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS WEDNESDAY, MARCH 8, 2006 Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. i ROLL CALL Members present: Charles Kraupner, Clarence Holdiman, Anne Lucietto, Bill Davis, Sandra Adams, Brian Schillinger, Jack Jones Michael Crouch and Tom Lindblom. A quorum was established. VISITORS See attached sign -in sheet. PREVIOUS HEARING MINUTES Minutes from the Dec. 14, 2005 Plan Commission meeting were approved. Commissioner Charles Kraupner moved to approve the minutes. Commissioner Sandra Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a voice vote. PUBLIC HEARINGS Commissioner Clarence Holdiman made a motion to open the public hearings. Commissioner Jack Jones seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a voice vote. 1. PC 2006 -16 MPI #6 South Yorkville, LLC, petitioners have filed an application to annex and rezone. See attached. 2. PC 2006 -08 Ocean Atlantic Chicago, LLC, petitioners have filed an application requesting an amendment to the annexation agreement. See attached. 3. PC 2006 -09 Ocean Atlantic Chicago, LLC, petitioners have filed an application for annexation and a Planned Unit Development Agreement in regard to modifying the approved Preliminary Planned Unit Development Plan. See attached. Jones made a motion to close the public hearing. Commissioner Anne Lucietto seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. Page 2 of 4 NEW BUSINESS 1.PC 2006 -16 MPI #6 South Yorkville, LLC The petitioners have filed an application to annex and rezone. Community Development Director Travis Miller said the plan substantially conforms to the city's Comprehensive Plan. He recommended that the Plan Commission suggest the developer conform to the design standards when it makes its recommendation. Miller also said the points citizens brought up during the public hearing are valid. Chairman Lindblom said a lot of those issues would likely be resolved further in the process. Consulting Engineer John Whitehouse from Engineering Enterprises Inc., said the city would institute the recommendations of the Aux Sable Watershed Committee in the plan. Also, he said the city is working on utility provisions. Commissioner Adams said this development is on the same scale as the Grande Reserve development. In that development, the developers built a school. She said that same type of provision should be added to this development. Attorney John Philipchuck, representing the petitioners, said his client has already met with the school district and that the land set aside in the plan for a high school was the only topic discussed. Commissioner Brian Schillinger said Grande Reserve and this proposed development are anticipated to generate a population of about 13,000. He said the elementary school in Grande Reserve and the proposed high school site don't seem adequate. Philipchuck said the city is trying to address the impact issue by instituting impact fees, which go to the school district. After additional discussion on the issue, Commissioner Michael Crouch made a motion to recommend annexation of PC 2006 -16 as requested. Commissioner Jones seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto then made a motion to recommend zoning approval for PC 2006 -16 provided design standard are met and subject to staff comments. Kraupner seconded the motion. The motion was approved in a 6 -3 roll call vote. Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Jones and Lindblom voted yes. Schillinger, Crouch and Kraupner voted no. 2. PC 2006 -08 Ocean Atlantic Chicago LLC Crouch pointed out that the development would go between two school districts — Yorkville and Plano. Attorney Dan Kramer, representing the petitioner, stated the petition has met with both school districts and both districts would prefer cash to land. Meanwhile, Schillinger said he struggles with the term "age- targeted." He fears that in 15 years those age- targeted homes would become entry -level housing generating a high Page 3 of 4 student population for the school district. He also said doesn't think the city should approve 8,500 square foot lots for age - targeted areas. Lindblom asked why there are 10,000 square foot lots in the middle section that aren't surrounded by open space. Land planner Chris Lannert said there are concentrated open spots in other areas. Also, he said the developer is permitted to build 475 units on the site, but is planning for less than that. Crouch, however, said that by eliminating one lot, the developer could in fact make the 12,000 square foot minimum requirement. Lindblom also stated his concern that the 7.5 -yeard setbacks aren't large enough even in the age- targeted area. Meanwhile, John Whitehouse, consulting engineer from Engineering Enterprises Inc., said the developer had addressed all of the city's staff comments. Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval of the requested amendment to the annexation agreement for PC 2006 -08. Adams seconded the motion. The motion failed in a 1 -7 vote. Davis voted yes. Lucietto, Adams, Schillinger, Crouch, Kraupner Holdiman and Lindblom voted no. Jones left the meeting before the vote was taken. Crouch then made a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plan for PC 2006- 08 as presented. Holdiman seconded the motion. The motion failed in a 3 -5 vote. Davis, Adams and Holdiman voted yes. Schillinger, Crouch, Kraupner, Lucietto and Lindblom voted no. 3. PC 2006 -09 Ocean Atlantic Chicago, LLC Kraupner said the request basically is a request to amend the PUD to reflect the preliminary plan. He asked what about the woman who came to the public hearing and shared her concerns about what would happen to her horses and horse race track. Her property neighbors the Ocean Atlantic property. Attorney Dan Kramer representing Ocean Atlantic said the developer would put up a fence between the two properties that would be adequate protection. Also, Lannert with the location of the golf course, the balls wouldn't be hit in the direction of the horse property. Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval of the amended PUD for PC 2006 -09. Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Adams, Schillinger, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis and Lindblom voted yes. 4. PC 2005 -65 Fountain Village — Final Plat Page 4 of 4 Miller said there were some minor revisions to the final plat since the Plan Commission packets were mailed. However, he said the revisions are for the most part technical in nature and that city staff has reviewed them. Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval the approval of the final plat for PC 2005 -65 subject to staff comments. Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Schillinger and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Davis seconded the motion. The motion was approved by voice vote. The meeting was adjourned at 10:10 p.m. i Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe PLEASE SIGN II I MEETING: � I DATE: , NAME BUSINESS PHONE # SUE 63o - 5�3 -2 ! �l1 3 3 37 � 76 & f7 -5 `l r o United City of Yorkville 800 Game Farm Road 1636 Yorkville, Illinois 60560 ��- Telephone: 630 -553 -4350 Fax: 630 -553 -7575 CauXVSW O i KaMa9 Camy `� �C E PLEASE SIGN IN MEETING: ( s s + b V DATE: NAME COMPANY PHONE NUMBER I I I I PLAN COMMISSION MEETING UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting of the above - entitled matter taken before CHRISTINE M.,VITOSH, C.S.R., on March 8, 2006, at the hour of 7:00 p.m., at 800 Game Farm Road, in the City of Yorkville, Illinois. D- 787706 INK REPO • COURT reporting service 800 West Fifth Avenue • Suite 203C • Naperville, IL 60563 • 630 - 983 -0030 • Fax 6 983 -6013 www.depocourt.com 2 1 P R E S E N T: 2 MR. TOM LINDBLOM, Chairman; 3 MR. CLARENCE HOLDIMAN; 4 MS. SANDRA ADAMS; 5 MS. ANNE LUCIETTO; 6 MR. BILL DAVIS; 7 MR. CHARLES KRAUPNER; 8 MR. MICHAEL CROUCH; 9 MR. BRIAN SCHILLINGER; 10 MR. JACK JONES; 11 MR. MIKE SCHOPPE; 12 MS. DINA GIPE, 13 MR. TRAVIS MILLER. 14 i 15 A P P E A R A N C E S: 16 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK 300 East Fifth Avenue, Suite 380 17 Naperville, Illinois 60563 (630) 355 -1458 18 BY: MR. JOHN JUSTIN WYETH, appeared on behalf of the United 19 City of Yorkville, Illinois. 20 21 - - - - - 22 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 3 1 (WHEREUPON, 2 proceedings were had 3 which were not 4 reported.) 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. And at 6 this time I would entertain a motion to go to 7 public hearing. 8 MR. HOLDIMAN: So moved. 9 MR. JONES: Second. 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Moved and 11 seconded. Discussion on the motion? 12 (No Response) 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, 14 those in favor by saying aye. 15 (A Chorus of Ayes) 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed? 17 (No Response) 18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion passes. 19 At this time I would like anybody that's going to 20 speak before any of the three public hearings to 21 please stand and raise your right hand and repeat 22 after me. 23 (Witnesses sworn) 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: The first item Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 4 � 1 is PC 2006 -16, Number Six South Yorkville, LLC, 2 petitioners, have filed an application with the 3 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 4 Illinois, requesting annexation to the United i 5 City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall 6 County A -1 Agricultural to United City of 7 Yorkville Planned Unit Development containing R -2 8 One - Family Residence District, R -2 Duplex 9 Two - Family Residence District, R -3 General 10 Residence District, R -4 General Residence E 11 District, and B -2 General Business District. 12 The real property consists of 13 916.44 acres east of Emmanuel Road, north and 14 south of Ament Road, west of Route 47, and north 15 and south of Walker Road, Kendall Township, 16 Kendall County, Illinois. 17 And who is going to speak for 18 the petitioner? Mr. Philipchuck? 19 WHEREUPON: 20 JOHN F. PHILIPCHUCK, 21 having been first duly sworn, testified before 22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: I 23 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. Good 24 evening. My name is John Philipchuck. I am a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 5 1 partner with the law firm of Dommermuth, Brestal, 2 Cobine & West, with offices at 123 Water Street, 3 Naperville, Illinois. 4 I am here this evening 5 representing MPI. The Plan Commission I know is 6 familiar with our proposal. We were here a 7 couple times prior, once with a little smaller 8 plan and then we came back to you and showed you 9 another concept plan wherein we had acquired some 10 additional property to take the development down 11 to the important Caton Farm Road and Route 47 12 intersection. 13 So we are now at the stage 14 where we have submitted to -- an application to i 15 enter into an annexation agreement with the City 16 of Yorkville and zone the property as was I 17 outlined in the notice that was just read by 18 Chairman Lindblom. 19 With me this evening to testify 20 will be John Martin from JEN Land. As you know, 21 John was here before and presented the land plan; 22 Dawn Burke, our civil engineer from Cowhey 23 Gudmundson & Leder, and Louie Aboona, our traffic 24 engineer, from KLOA. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 6 1 We will be presenting evidence 2 to you to satisfy the findings that are outlined 3 in the zoning ordinance with regard to an 4 amendment. 5 As you know, the property is 6 currently A -1 in the county and we would be 7 annexing and zoning in the city, and also to 8 satisfy the conditions that are outlined in the 9 zoning ordinance for a special use, and that we 10 are asking to do this as a planned unit 11 development. 12 I think you are familiar with 13 the MPI Group. We are currently developing the 14 Grande Reserve subdivision over on Route 34 in 15 Yorkville, so we are pleased to be back at this 16 stage. We have an exciting development. 17 The Plan Commission recently 18 saw a concept plan that Richard Marker brought in 19 for the property almost to the opposite side of 20 Route 47, and as you know, there are previous 21 annexation agreements that have been entered into 22 for some additional property on the east side of 23 Route 47, and then I know that there have been 24 some other developers who are looking at some Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 7 1 parcels to the west and to the north of the MPI 2 proposal. 3 So we think that with these 4 groups that are starting to come in, we can 5 address the various issues that need to be 6 addressed as far as the city is concerned, how we 7 obtain contiguity to the corporate limits, how we 8 extend utilities to serve the area, and how we 9 maintain the continuity of roads and the access 10 points to the various roadways and especially to 11 Route 47. 12 So at this time I would like to 13 introduce John Martin from JEN Land to discuss 14 the various aspects of the land plan. 15 WHEREUPON: 16 JOHN MARTIN, 17 having been first duly sworn, testified before 18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 19 MR. MARTIN: I don't know if it 20 would help, maybe I know the lighting situation 21 is -- 22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Are all these 23 fluorescents on? Half of them. Let's kill half 24 of them, can we? How about the other one? There Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 8 1 you go. 2 MR. MARTIN: As you know, we were 3 here before you in April and also I believe it 4 was August of last year, so this is the third 5 time through, and as John mentioned, we have 6 added some additional land to this property. 7 Specifically, this property 8 basically at the south end of -- this is Caton 9 Farm Road at the far south end of the property, 10 and this is Walker and this is Ament Road, I 11 Emmanuel and Route 47, so you see the property 12 runs quite a distance, almost two and a half, 13 three miles, north /south along Route 47, and so 14 we have added this piece so that we could get 15 access and basically control the development at 16 the intersection of Caton Farm and Route 47. 17 This basically is a depiction 18 of your Comprehensive Plan and, again, outlined 19 in blue is the 916 -acre parcel, Ament Road, 20 Route 47, Walker, Caton Farm, and Emmanuel, so 21 you can see -- and then coming through the center 22 of the property, which an important feature is i 23 the mid Aux Sable Creek corridor, correction at 24 this point, that is as your Comprehensive Plan Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 9 1 calls for is basically the separation between the 2 suburban area, which is in the light yellow area, 3 and the pinkish color is what you classify as a 4 transitional area, with a commercial node at 5 Walker, and obviously the larger node at Caton 6 Farm and Route 47. 7 This was the plan that we 8 presented back in April. As you can see, we did 9 not have the piece south to Caton Farm, that 10 piece has been added to the assemblage. 11 This is somewhere in the area 12 of 700 acres; we are now over 900 acres for the 13 total assemblage. 14 This represents the plan that 15 was presented in August with the added parcel to 16 the south, getting us down to the south line of 17 the property at Caton Farm and Route 47. Walker 18 Road here. 19 This plan, as you can see, 20 showed a middle school site and a community park. I 21 This is the extension per your Comprehensive Plan 22 of Wheeler Road, which comes from the east across I 23 47 and is extending to the west. 24 This particular plan had a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 10 1 traditional neighborhood design in this quadrant 2 of the plan, which in the new plan has been 3 eliminated. 4 The current plan, again, is 5 broken into, per your Comprehensive Plan, north 6 of Aux Sable Creek, the suburban assemblage, and 7 south is what falls into your Comprehensive Plan, 8 the transitional area in zoning. 9 We have attempted to and tried 10 to and I think demonstrate that we comply with I 11 and in fact are actually less than the intensity 12 that is shown in your Comprehensive Plan for 13 these areas. 14 The suburban area now is i 15 totally single- family, there is no attached 16 development at all in this area, and as I go 17 through that, I will explain some of the other 18 changes. 19 In this lighter color, the 20 yellow area represents the suburban portion of I 21 the property and the tan color represents the 22 transitional. You can see Aux Sable Creek is the 23 dividing line between those areas. 24 This represents the suburban Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 11 1 acreage in the Aux Sable Creek corridor here. 2 Everything north of that falls in your suburban 3 category. 4 Per your Comprehensive Plan 5 that category allows a density range of one and a 6 half to 2.25 dwelling units per acre as a design 7 guideline. 8 Also that suburban category 9 does allow some attached development, and 10 anything over two units per acre would require I 11 compliance with the design guidelines. 12 In this suburban area, one of 13 the major changes to the plan from the August 14 plan that you looked at is that we provided or we 15 have now shown -- in working with the school 16 district and high school district, we are showing 17 a 59 -acre high school site, obviously Yorkville 18 south along Route 47 in this area, so it has 19 complete frontage. 20 This is the Lutheran church I 21 here at Ament and 47, so everybody gets their 22 bearings. 23 So basically what we are 24 showing is this entire frontage down to the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 12 1 proposed Wheeler Road extension for a proposed 2 high school site of approximately 59 acres. 3 This is slightly over what our 4 population would generate in terms of our school 5 donation requirement for that high school site. 6 In addition to the high school 7 site, there is a three -acre park site. We have 8 met with and just met with again recently the 9 park district. Their desire was to have a park 10 site up in this northern section north of Ament. 11 These are large lot 12 single- family homes, with a park site that could 13 have the ability, we show a road stub right here, 14 of expanding into the property to the east. 15 In addition to that, the 16 suburban area also shows a 14 -acre community park 17 site in this location along the proposed Wheeler 18 Road corridor, so that's a change from that 19 August plan in terms of where we had a middle 20 school site and a community park site. A little 21 bit more internal. 22 Now, we have placed both of 23 those facilities together along the proposed 24 corridor with Wheeler Road. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =0030 13 1 In addition, there is a private 2 swim club of five acres proposed just south of 3 the community park along this large open space 4 area. 5 Here we have a large lake being 6 proposed just south of Wheeler Road. We are 7 proposing a five -acre aquatic center similar to 8 the Grande Reserve Aquatic Center that you see 9 out there today. i 10 Along with the open space 11 system, per your design guidelines, we have 12 attached all of these areas with a bike trail 13 system; the north part along what is essentially 14 a drainage ditch now from Wheeler, south from 15 Ament, down to the proposed Wheeler Road , 16 extension, and then south of that to a bike trail 17 system, which is part of a regional trail system, 18 the mid Aux Sable Creek corridor trail. 19 So we have connected in a 20 north /south direction as well as east /west along 21 Wheeler Road, connect a community park and high i 22 school site to that overall green belt trail 23 system. 24 Within the suburban area, we Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 14 1 have basically three lot sizes. Another major 2 change to this plan from the August plan, we have 3 increased our minimum lot size to 10,000 square 4 feet. 5 Everything west of this 6 north /south corridor and the bike path system are 7 12,000 square foot lots. We have four 8 neighborhoods, neighborhood one, two, three and 9 four, to the south of Wheeler. Those 10 neighborhoods would be a minimum of 12,000 square 11 feet with lot widths of 85 and 80 feet. 12 So that begins to set the 13 standard for continuing upscale housing along 14 Emmanuel Road in this location, so that part of 15 the suburban area has also increased in terms of 16 lot size. 17 Next to that, just east of the 18 area of 12,000 square foot lots, we have two 19 neighborhoods of 11,000 square feet, so we are 20 transitioning down from 12 to the 11. Those lot 21 widths would be in the 75 and 80 foot - range. 22 And then finally, the last two 23 neighborhoods in the suburban area would be two 24 10,000 square foot lot neighborhoods just on Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 15 1 either side of Wheeler Road, this one just south 2 of the swim club area north of the mid Aux Sable 3 Creek corridor and another 10,000 square foot lot 4 neighborhood just next to the community park and 5 high school site. Those 10,000 square foot lot 6 neighborhoods would be given 75 and 70 -foot lot 7 minimum widths. 8 So you can see the plan, you 9 know, the suburban areas are basically all now I 10 single- family north of mid Aux Sable Creek. 11 In addition to the high school 12 site, we are showing a five -acre fire station at 13 the intersection of the proposed Wheeler Road 14 intersection and Emmanuel in this location. 15 Also there would be a water 16 tower in the far north corner of the high school 17 site with access out to Route 47. 18 There is also in the suburban 19 neighborhood a 13 -acre commercial site located 20 just south of Wheeler Road intersection, and this 21 is in keeping again with your Comprehensive Plan i 22 for providing neighborhood commercial in this 23 area. 24 This is kind of a graphic of Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 16 1 the extension of Wheeler Road. Basically what 2 this does is follow the Comprehensive Plan. 3 Other than what we have done with this extension, 4 your Comprehensive Plan actually shows Wheeler 5 Road in this location, we have basically provided 6 it here, and the reason for that is you can see 7 in the pink the amount of floodplain, the Aux 8 Sable Creek corridor, plus this Comprehensive 9 Plan has it cutting through a cemetery, Emmanuel 10 Cemetery, at this location, so I met with staff, 11 and I think they are in agreement that the 12 realignment of Wheeler Road as it's shown makes 13 no sense in terms of lessening the impact to the 14 environmental features in the area. 15 The overall density for the 16 suburban area, overall density is 1.31. When you 17 take out the 13 -acre commercial, the gross 18 residential density in the suburban area is 1.34, 19 so you can see the suburban area is substantially 20 lower than the guidelines in the Comprehensive I 21 Plan that call for one and a half to 2.25, so we 22 are substantially less than that. There is over 23 160 acres of open space within this suburban 24 neighborhood. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 17 I 1 The last category to the south 2 assemblage is in the -- falls in the transitional 3 area of the Comprehensive Plan. That calls for 4 2.25 to three and a half units per acre. Again, I 5 this is on a gross residential acreage. It 6 obviously allows for some medium density housing. 7 What we have done, again 8 following the Comprehensive Plan, providing for 9 the additional open space as outlined in the j 10 design guidelines of the Comprehensive Plan, 11 provided for an open space system that again is 12 connected by a trail system. 13 We have provided for two parks. 14 Again, meeting with the park district, their 15 desire was to have parks that could be 16 expandable. 17 As you can see, this 13 -acre 18 park just south of Walker Road is expandable to 19 the west; in fact, we have provided it along our 20 west property line. 21 The same thing is true for our 22 five -acre other park site that we have located 23 just south of the single- family neighborhood 24 along the proposed collector road going east /west De o Court Reporting Service 630 983 -0030 P P g ( ) 18 1 in this area, so that that also could be 2 expanded. 3 You see there is another 4 watershed or a ditch corridor coming through the 5 property in this location, there is floodplain 6 associated with that, but as per the 7 Comprehensive Plan, we are providing for a trail 8 system through that open space along -- this is a 9 gas line easement running in a diagonal direction 10 along the center portion of the property between 11 Walker and Caton Farm, so we are providing that 12 north /south trail through the open space system, 13 and then that would attach to the north into the 14 suburban neighborhoods, so we are -- we are again i 15 following the design guidelines in our 16 Comprehensive Plan to tie all these open space 17 areas together. 18 The components of this 19 transitional area, again, provide for more 20 single- family, more single- family neighborhoods, 21 in this transitional area. 22 Actually everything north of I 23 Walker Road, when you include the suburban area, 24 would be single - family. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 19 1 This is another neighborhood of 2 10,000 square foot lots. We have a second 3 transitional area here, as well as a smaller 4 single- family neighborhood here. 5 What that does again -- and I I 6 think with this property -- the big advantage of 7 this property, it's kind of setting the trends 8 out in this area as you develop along Route 47, 9 so we are actually setting the stage for the i 10 development of single- family to the west of this i 11 southern leg of our property by putting those 12 three single- family neighborhoods, as well as all 13 the open space, along that western property line. 14 We have a road system that is 15 basically a collector road system coming in off 16 of Route 47 connecting to an east /west road 17 system that would go past and intersect with this 18 commercial intersection just north of Caton Farm i 19 Road. 20 These commercial properties 21 were basically set due to intersection distances 22 off of Route 47 along Walker and Caton Farm. 23 The size and shape of these 24 commercial properties is basically dictated by Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 20 1 the -- those access points. 2 There are three components, 3 attached components, of our transitional area. 4 The first two is a more traditional, or I should 5 say conventional townhome, front - loaded townhome I 6 area in this location, you can see the examples 7 of the front -load attached townhome, and then 8 there is a rear - loaded courtyard townhome, you 9 are all familiar with that, that style of housing 10 is very popular today, where you have the front 11 porches out on the streetscape and rear motor 12 courts, basically garages, are in the back, court 13 home type of design. 14 And the last design would be a 15 multi - family neighborhood between the two 16 commercial areas with good access to Route 47. 17 This access internally gets us 18 without having to meet 47 basically in this 19 commercial area here and the larger commercial 20 area down at the intersection of Caton Farm and 21 47. 22 There is a 23 -acre -- again, 23 size and shape of this dictated by our access 24 points along 47 and Walker Road in this case, and Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 21 1 then here the Caton Farm intersection with 47, 2 and the closest intersection where we have the 3 potential for a signal for this 45 -acre, which is 4 the largest commercial component in the plan. 5 All totaled with the 13 acres 6 to the north, these two commercial parcels, there 7 is a 81 -acres of post commercial for this I 8 Yorkville south development. 9 The transitional area density 10 is slightly -- it's on the -- we are basically at I 11 3.55. The range in your Comprehensive Plan is 12 3.5. 13 Our feeling is that the 14 transfer of the attached areas to this southern 15 area next to a 23 -acre and 45 -acre commercial 16 site makes no sense in terms of where the 17 attached should be, and we have kept that 18 suburban area totally single - family, as I pointed 19 out, well under the low end of your range, which 20 is one and a half, so I think we are at 1.34 on i 21 the suburban, we are at 3.55 on the transitional 22 area. 23 So, in our opinion, the 24 transfer that slightly amounts to about 14 units Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 22 1 to this south area makes more sense than 2 introducing any attached program in that suburban 3 area, which we could do according to your 4 Comprehensive Plan. 5 Finally, this is the overall 6 view of the development. Again, 916 acres. Our 7 overall density, including the transitional area 8 and the suburban area, is 2.11. 9 If you look at the mean average a 10 of your suburban density and transitional 11 density, I think you will see that it's two and a 12 half, so we are well under the range or the 13 median range -- the median range of your I 14 Comprehensive Plan. 15 Advantages to obviously the 16 village of this proposed development is to 17 control the development along Route 47 and 18 basically to get down and control the 19 intersection of Caton Farm and Route 47, which we 20 know, and your Comprehensive Plan points out, is 21 a critical area of this region in terms of 22 potential for commercial development. 23 Also I think what we have done 24 is complied with your design guidelines along Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 23 1 Route 47, as far as everyone is concerned what 2 that's going to look like. 3 Other than the three commercial 4 nodes, we have provided for a hundred foot 5 minimum landscape buffer along 47 between the two 6 attached neighborhoods in this location. I 7 There is a lot of floodplain, 8 open space, view corridors along the balance 9 of -- even though this property is not part of 10 the development, most of that is floodplain, so i 11 there is going to be a lot of view corridors into 12 the site, as well as obviously providing for the 13 59 -acre high school site, community park facility 14 in this location, will provide a very open view 15 along Route 47 as you traverse that corridor. 16 We have also worked in 17 preserving -- there is approximately 323 acres of 18 open space. Now, this doesn't include any of the 19 common area open space in the attached program, 20 there is over 323 acres that we include the high 21 school site, all of the open space that may end 22 up being in the HOA control, as well as the park I 23 site, that's over 35 percent of this property, 24 916 acres, in open space. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 24 1 The Mid Aux Sable Creek, a lot 2 of that area out there is currently farm. That 3 area is going to be preserved and all that 4 floodplain area will be returned to natural 5 vegetation, which will help the quality of that 6 mid Aux Sable corridor. 7 And, again, as I mentioned, I 8 this proposal is less dense than what the actual 1 9 design guidelines of your Comprehensive Plan call 10 for. 11 I think with that, I will turn 12 it over to John -- back to John. I think we 13 might hear some engineering issues. 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I think you can 15 see by the land plan, we've been very sensitive 16 to working the various products well and 17 distribute them well within the site, keeping in 18 mind that some of the adjacent properties are 19 used for where the main roads are, you know, 20 Ament, certainly Wheeler, Emmanuel, are roads 21 that are designed in the city's Comprehensive 22 Plan to take more traffic, and I think we have 23 laid out those land uses appropriately and taken 24 care that our product will not substantially Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 25 1 impair or impact the land values, the property 2 values, of other residences in the area. 3 We have designed the utilities 4 and we are looking at -- because of our 5 experiences that we are having at working in the 6 Aux Sable Creek watershed, we are cognizant of 7 the quality standards there and will be working 8 with the group that has been the chief proponents 9 for that. And at this time I would like to then 10 introduce Dawn Burke. i 11 Dawn, as I said earlier, is our 12 civil engineer on this project. She will touch 13 upon the aspects of utilities and how we are 14 handling stormwater management, which I'm sure 15 many of those that are here visiting this evening 16 are interested in. 17 WHEREUPON: 18 DAWN BURKE, 19 having been first duly sworn, testified before 20 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: I 21 MS. BURKE: Thanks, John. As he 22 said, my name is Dawn Burke. This slide here 23 shows the sanitary sewer. The MPI Group, as well 24 as several of the other developers in this area, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 26 1 have been working with the Yorkville - Bristol 2 Sanitary District in extending the -- extending 3 the interceptor sewers to this area. 4 These interceptor sewers are 5 located for this project in these areas there 6 along Caton Farm Road and then up just east of 47 7 and then along the Aux Sable Creek. 8 The sanitary sewer is meant to 9 be a gravity sewer throughout the site flowing 10 from a north to south direction, as well as the 11 same for the south portion location near Caton 12 Farm. 13 The next item here is the water 14 main. As you can see, sort of, there is a 15 pressure zone area. Up in this one area here we 16 are in a different pressure zone than the south 17 area here, which is -- Ament is the actual divide 18 line for the zones. 19 The site, as John had 20 mentioned, has located a proposed area for the 21 sanitary -- I'm sorry, the water main, as far as 22 the -- I'm sorry -- 23 (WHEREUPON, a short 24 recess was taken) Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 27 1 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: It's okay. While 2 Dawn is collecting herself, I will introduce 3 Louie Aboona. Louie is our traffic consultant 4 with KLOA. 5 He will touch upon the Road 6 network, some of the accesses that we are looking 7 at in order to be able to develop the site, and 8 how the various road extensions will be handled, I 9 traffic patterns, some of those things that he i 10 has looked at, so Louie? 11 WHEREUPON: 12 LOUIE ABOONA, 13 having been first duly sworn, testified before 14 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 15 MR. ABOONA: Okay. 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Excuse me 17 before you start. Art, do you know if there is a 18 thermostat in here? It is exceptionally warm. 19 What about fans? 20 MS. LUCIETTO: That would help, too. 21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: John 22 Philipchuck, this has gone on now for probably a 23 half hour. I just would ask whoever else you've 24 got for speaking on behalf of the petitioner to Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =0030 28 1 make it as brief as possible. I'm sure we are 2 going to have a lot of questions and concerns 3 expressed by the audience, and we want to get 4 through that. 5 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We will, but 6 hopefully we will cover enough of the topics that 7 we don't have to have everything. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I understand. I 9 understand. 10 MR. ABOONA: Good evening. My name f 11 is Louie Aboona, A- B- 0- 0 -N -A. I am a traffic ! I 12 engineer with the firm KLOA. We are located in 13 Rosemont, Illinois. 14 We have performed a traffic 15 study that looked at the impact of the south 16 assemblage, and it's all summarized in the report 17 that I believe was submitted to the city for the 18 review of the staff. 19 Basically as part of the 20 traffic study we looked at a study area that i 21 extended from 71 on the north to Caton Farm on 22 the south and from 47 on the east to Lisbon Road 23 on the west. 24 We looked at all the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 29 1 intersections in between, we took counts in the 2 morning and evening peak periods to get a feel 3 what the existing traffic volumes are on the 4 existing roadway network. 5 We analyzed all the 6 intersections that are contained in this study 7 area to get a feel for the level of operation and 8 capacity issues and constraints. 9 We then looked at the traffic 10 generation from the proposed development. We j 11 looked at all the neighborhoods within the I 12 assemblage, all the residential units from 13 single- family to townhomes. We also included the 14 commercial, the over 80 acres of commercial, that 15 is planned as part of the assemblage. 16 We generated the traffic from 17 all these different neighborhoods and assigned it 18 to the roadway network as it exists today, as 19 well as with the proposed extension of Wheeler 20 Road through the development from 47 to Emmanuel 21 Road. 22 We also looked at traffic from 23 other developments in the area, namely the 24 Heartland development, which is adjacent to the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 30 1 site on the east side of 47, and then we also 2 looked at growth and the traffic on 47 that would 3 occur as a result of all the other activities 4 surrounding this development, as well as a 5 regional road. i 6 We carried all that to the year 7 2020 and then we reanalyzed all the intersections 8 again and we identified a number of improvements 9 that need to be made in this area, specifically 10 along 47, not only to address the needs of this 11 development, but as well as address the needs of 12 the traffic from other developments and 13 development in the area. 14 And what I would just like to 15 do is just briefly go over some of the i 16 improvements that are contemplated once again to 17 address 2020 conditions. 18 Starting on the north end, this 19 is the 71 and 47 intersection. This is 47, which 20 is obviously a north /south route, and 47 is under 21 the jurisdiction of Illinois Department of 22 Transportation, so whatever we suggest and what 23 whatever we have analyzed and recommended will 24 have to be reviewed and studied and approved by Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 31 1 IDOT before any of that is implemented. 2 47 also is classified by IDOT 3 as a regional arterial. 4 So we've got 71 on the north 5 end, Caton Farm on the south end and Caton Farm 6 to the east is Kendall County and, once again, 7 Kendall County will get a chance to review our 8 studies and our recommendations. Caton Farm is 9 an important route for Kendall in terms of being 10 an SRA, and their projections in the future for I 11 that to be a five -lane roadway. 12 Basically starting at the 13 north, 47 and 71 is a signalized intersection 14 currently. We foresee that intersection will 15 have to be upgraded with multiple turn lanes 16 especially along 71 and then we have four through 17 lanes on 47. 18 Coming south to Legion Road, 19 that intersection currently is an unsignalized, 20 stop sign controlled intersection for Legion Road i 21 traffic. We don't foresee a signal will be 22 needed at that intersection; however, once again, 23 we see the need for turn lanes and additional 24 through lanes on 47. i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 32 1 Working our way down to Ament 2 Road, that intersection provides the northerly 3 access into the northern part of the assemblage. 4 That intersection will require signalization, and 5 then also four lanes on 47. 6 The next intersection is 7 Wheeler Road, and, once again, Wheeler Road will 8 be extended ultimately from Hopkins Road to Ament 9 and then over to Lisbon through our development. 10 Obviously that would be the responsibility of 11 this development. To the east and west will be 12 development -- as developments come through, then 13 that extension will be built. 14 We foresee the intersection to 15 be signalized, once again, with turn lanes on 47 16 and four through lanes on 47 and turn lanes on 17 Wheeler Road. 18 Wheeler Road, the development, 19 we anticipate that per the Comprehensive Plan to 20 be a collector road. 21 We are projecting it to be a 22 three -lane roadway, one lane each direction, plus 23 turn lanes on the north and south, and we are 24 looking at maintaining 500 feet of spacing Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 33 1 between the entrance to various neighborhoods. 2 Further south, the intersection 3 of Walker and 47, once again, we have seen -- we 4 are projecting a traffic signal at that 5 intersection, plus turn lanes, plus additional 6 through lanes, the same as the two access roads 7 into the commercial and the residential 8 neighborhoods in the south section of the 9 development, once again, we provide traffic 10 signals there, and then finally at Caton Farm and 11 47, that being an important intersection, as I 12 indicated earlier, for the county, as well as 13 IDOT, based on projected volumes we see the need 14 for traffic signals and four lanes on 47. 15 With regard to the 47 16 cross - section, we project between Wheeler and 17 Caton Farm that the roadway would be widened to 18 four lanes continuous; north of Wheeler it would 19 narrow down to one lane each direction with the 20 widening at the major intersections, as I 21 indicated earlier. 22 The remaining intersections 23 internal and to the west of the site we don't 24 foresee any need for any kind of signalization. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 34 1 Those intersections currently are mostly under 2 two -way stop sign control. 3 We foresee the need for some 4 turn lanes at some of the minor intersections, 5 but nothing major, nothing in terms of mid lot 6 improvements more than one lane each -- one lane 7 each direction. 8 Access, as Mr. Martin 9 indicated, you know, we are providing along 47, 10 but there will be a lot of internal access to the i 11 east /west roads, as well as on the west side of 12 the development, and there are going to be a lot 13 of inner connections between neighborhoods so 14 traffic can go from one side of the development 15 to the other side of the development without 16 having to get out on 47. 17 They will utilize either 18 internal roadways within the neighborhoods, as I 19 indicated, or go around the creek, use Emmanuel 20 and Walker Road, for example, to be able. 21 Residences on the north side 22 can use the commercial without having to go out I 23 on 47. 24 That would conclude my Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 35 1 presentation. I will turn it back over to 2 Mr. Philipchuck. 3 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We have a pinch 4 hitter for Dawn. Jason Nijim is a civil engineer 5 and he works with the MPI Group, and he will 6 highlight some of the details that Dawn did not 7 yet get to. 8 We will talk briefly about our 9 water system and then our stormwater management 10 system, but Dawn and Paul Leder from Cowhey 11 Gudmundson will be here if there are specific 12 questions, if there is something that we didn't 13 adequately touch upon that still raises I 14 questions. So Jason? 15 WHEREUPON: 16 JASON NIJIM, 17 having been first duly sworn, testified before 18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 19 MR. NIJIM: Thank you, John. 20 Members of the Plan Commission, just to kind of 21 briefly start off back on the water main slide, 22 as Dawn was saying, we have specified a location 23 right there for the water storage, treatment and 24 well facilities. I Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 36 1 It's not 100 percent certain I 2 that that will be on this site; at the time there 3 is other developers in the area, that also makes 4 sense elevation -wise to provide that storage 5 facility and treatment for the pressure zone that 6 needs to serve this area south. 7 Other than that, this will -- 8 this development will also provide water main 9 extensions to the southwest area of Yorkville 10 that is also now developing and will have water i 11 mains running through the site to service the 12 properties to the south, as well as oversizing 13 for properties that will come in to the west. 14 The next slide we have is the 15 conceptual drainage. You have to forgive me, I 16 am not as 100 percent familiar as Dawn was, but 17 basically what we provided in this area right 18 here is a retention lake, a large retention area. 19 Most of the other stormwater 20 management facilities on the site will be 21 naturalized facilities as we have done in other 22 developments in Yorkville, which provides for 23 more of the -- what the intention is for this 24 area, to keep a rural -type nature to the project. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 37 1 Obviously we have the Aux Sable 2 Creek, which is the major drainageway through 3 here and off to the east with -- and we will be 4 working with whatever requirements that are 5 needed there. 6 The last subject would be the i 7 roadways. I think Louie probably did a pretty 8 thorough job on that, so I won't touch on that 9 for just a second, except to note the proposed 10 Wheeler Road extension going through the site 11 that will extend off and be a major roadway 12 through the city in the next coming years. 13 We have extensive systems 14 connecting for traffic and safety throughout the 15 internal workings of the neighborhoods, as well 16 as utilization of the existing roadways at 17 Walker, Caton Farm, Emmanuel and Ament. I think 18 that's all for I me. 19 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Thank you. Just 20 to summarize then, Mr. Chairman and members of 21 the Planning Commission, the revised plan that we 22 brought tonight has some important facets to it. 23 I think we mentioned early on 24 that we are working with the Yorkville - Bristol Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 38 1 Sanitary District and the city to work out the 2 various technologies for the pump station that 3 will ultimately be needed to accumulate all the 4 effluent through a gravity system and then force 5 main up along the Commonwealth Edison property 6 north of Ament Road where it will discharge into 7 the gravity system and come down to the plant. 8 The water system will also be 9 linked with the existing system. Because of the 10 different pressure zones, we will have the i 11 appropriate pressure reducing stations, et 12 cetera, installed in that system, and then, of 13 course, we will have the new source of water with 14 the new well out here, a treatment facility, a 15 stand pipe, have the adequate amount of storage 16 for pressure and for firefighting purposes. 17 I think an important component 18 is the identification of the new high school site 19 serving Yorkville. I think it has a prominent 20 place along Route 47. 21 It will have an open space 22 feature to it, and it is located in a position 23 that in the event that the district wishes to 24 acquire some more property, there is some land Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 39 1 that is adjacent to it that would be available, 2 and then we have also located a park adjacent to 3 it. 4 We have met with the park 5 board, we have gotten some of their input, and we 6 are here this evening to obviously get some input 7 from the Plan Commission and from those in the 8 public that are here. 9 So with that, we are available, 10 of course, to answer questions of the Plan ` 11 Commission and public. I I 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank 13 you, John. 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Thank you. 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Before I ask for 16 questions or concerns from the public, I was 17 handed two documents when I walked in tonight. 18 The first one was from Ted and 19 Rose White. I think you are here. 20 MR. WHITE: I am here. 21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Mr. and 22 Mrs. White, we have given copies of this to all 23 the Plan Commission members. I have given it to 24 the reporter, so it will be in the record of the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 40 1 proceedings tonight. 2 I don't feel it necessary to 3 read this whole thing, but do you wish to make 4 any comments on it at all? 5 MR. WHITE: No, not at this time. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We thank you for 7 that, by the way. The second one that was 8 received from Paul Pocius? 9 MR. POCIUS: Pocius. 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I'm sorry? i 11 MR. POCIUS: Pocius. 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Pocius. This 13 was handed out also, and I need to get a copy to 14 you. Paul, do you wish-to make any comments? 15 MR. POCIUS: I'd like to make a 16 few. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. I'd like 18 to call you up. 1-, WHEREUPON: 20 PAUL POCIUS, 21 having been first duly sworn, testified before 22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 23 MR. POCIUS: Okay. I am a member of 24 the Aux Sable Creek Watershed Commission, and the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 41 1 main interest of this coalition is to protect the 2 watershed that is directly south of Yorkville, 3 and perhaps you already know that the main stem 4 of this watershed is considered a Class A 5 stream, which is quite unique and quite a 6 valuable natural resource, and the tributary 7 called the mid Aux Sable that runs through the 8 middle of this property feeds into that main 9 stem. i 10 The quality of the stream at 11 this point has not been inventoried, so I can't 12 make the claim that right here it's a Class A 13 stream, but it starts up near the Cotswold Fen 14 and runs down to this position here. 15 The Watershed Coalition would 16 like to see that entire corridor protected. We 17 would like to see that we can ensure that the 18 waters that run into and through that tributary 19 stay clean. 20 I think that in the coming 21 years we are going to find that water quality and 22 water availability is one of the most important 23 things that we have to consider in our daily 24 lives for our quality of life, and we would like Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 42 1 to see all waters protected in some manner. We'd 2 like to see the Plan Commission here trying to 3 work that in. 4 The thing about this particular 5 proposal that is of concern, first of all, is 6 that it is quite lengthy. It runs for two or 7 three miles. I think it's going to set the tone 8 for the development that shows up on either side. 9 I think it's very important 10 that this be done right. I think we need to put i 11 in best management practices for stormwater I 12 run -off. 13 I think we need to ensure that 14 at the point that the waters off of this property 15 run into the creek that they are clean as 16 possible, that they enter the creek at a low 17 velocity, that they not erode and scour out the 18 creek, cause sedimentation, et cetera. 19 Right here in this particular 20 area right here, that's only a small width. I I 21 don't know how much of the stormwater drainage is i 22 targeted towards that area, but this entire area 23 up here is to drain into that one location. 24 I would be concerned about the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 43 1 effects on the creek at that point. I would like 2 to see some things done to make this a softer 3 approach so to speak to the creek. 4 I look at these areas right 5 here and I know that those areas are wetland I 6 areas. I don't know whatever would be built on 7 them. I don't know who is going to actually own 8 them. I would like to see that question 9 addressed. 10 I think if we are going to make 11 plans for what happens along the creek right 12 there that we need to consider that now, not just 13 leave that land sit there and we don't know 14 what's going to happen to it. I 15 There is a little bit of 16 awkwardness here with this trail making a right 17 angle bend. It would seem to me like it should 18 go along the creek. 19 But is that going to happen? 20 Are we going to build a trail there and then 21 build another trail later on? It's things like 22 that that I would have some concern with. 23 Down here at the bottom we have 24 a commercial area, it looks like a large Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 44 1 commercial area, and my question would be what's 2 going to happen to the stormwater that runs off 3 of that? 4 It's bound to carry a lot of 5 grease and oil and anti - freeze, things like that, 6 into the creek. What's going to be done to treat 7 that? 8 Is there any plan of using 9 bio- retention aisles, just the opposite of a 10 normal island, it's depressed, it allows the i • i 11 water to collect and to be cleansed by vegetation 12 that's appropriate for this purpose. 13 Apparently part of the 14 floodplain is going to be built -in and I guess 15 there is going to be some compensatory storage to 16 the other side. Is this going to affect the 17 creek in that particular area? And that's a 18 concern. 19 I can't think of any other 20 points right now that I'd like to address because 21 I know this is a lengthy proceeding. 22 You have my written comments, 23 and I think you understand what the position of 24 the Watershed Coalition is on this. Thank you. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 45 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you. 2 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Tom, before you go 3 any further, has anybody not signed the sign -in 4 sheet? 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We are going to 6 pass the sign -up sheet again. If you have not 7 signed it, will you please do so? 8 John, do you or your engineers 9 have any comments to -- 10 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Just to remind the 11 Plan Commission and Paul, in this particular ' 12 instance we are coming into the concept plan as a 13 planned unit development, so we will be coming 14 back to the Plan Commission with a preliminary 15 and then, of course, again with the final, so 16 you'll have an opportunity, as we will, to look 17 at the best management practices that Paul 18 outlined. 19 Some of the detention 20 facilities, you can see, Paul, where our major 21 commercial area is, that's a large detention area 22 that will collect water, and then with the plants 23 it's amazing what plants can do to filter out 24 some of our urban run -off and allow it to come Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 46 1 out in a clean state before it would ever begin 2 its meandering to get up to the tributary areas 3 here. 4 But we have several locations 5 within the development, not just that particular 6 one, that will collect stormwater. 7 As I think Jason mentioned, 8 some of them, at least one, will be a large lake. 9 Most of the others are going to be of the variety 10 where we will have plants that will be able to j 11 filter the water before it reaches the creek, and 12 we are not going to be in a situation where we 13 have any direct pipe discharges to the creek. 14 Our plan is to work all of 15 those best management practices in as we go 16 along, but at this juncture, we have not gotten 17 to that detail, just as you don't see any lotting 18 on this particular plan. 19 We've tried to give you some 20 basic land use areas, basic lot sizes, that we 21 are proposing, and you saw some pictures in the 22 presentation of the kind of product that we have 23 in mind, so these are the things that we're 24 putting out to you to say this is the feel for Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 47 1 the development, this is how we will proceed, but 2 we definitely will be back to work on those 3 details. 4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank 5 you, John. 6 I'll make this comment just for 7 the benefit of the audience. Through this whole 8 process, the city has consulting engineers and i 9 land planners that take a look at this also to 10 make sure that they don't just take the word of 11 the developer for all these various engineering 12 things. It does come back and is reviewed by the 13 city staff and engineers also. 14 Okay. With that being said, is 15 there questions, specific questions, or comments 16 that wish to be made from people in the audience? 17 Lady over here, please. Yes. 18 Would you please stand up, state your name, come 19 to the podium, please? Please. 20 WHEREUPON: 21 MS. KASESKA, 22 having been first duly sworn, testified before 23 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 24 MS. KASESKA: Okay. One of my Il i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 48 1 questions is -- I have to use the diagram. Okay. 2 Up here, when the gentleman -- when you build 3 this neighborhood number three, okay, and it's 4 right around the fire station, okay, is there 5 going to be a buffer zone between where the land 6 ends and my property? 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I want to make 8 sure that everybody can hear you plus the court 9 reporter because she has to get the testimony 10 down, so I want to make sure everybody can hear. 11 MS. KASESKA: Okay. Where your 12 neighborhood three is, okay, what I am interested 13 in knowing is in some of your properties around 14 in Yorkville, they are building like a barricade 15 and then is this an area where a separation 16 between, say, these two properties and where your 17 property, your subdivisions, are going to be 18 built? 19 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. Typically 20 what we'll do where we abut against the 21 residences, we will look at a combination of 22 perhaps some berms, some type of undulating berm, 23 and perhaps some landscaping to transition 24 between the two areas. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 49 1 MS. KASESKA: Some of the newer 2 areas lined on High Point Road and Legion, what 3 they are doing is they are putting these tall 4 barricade -type things. 5 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: When you say 6 barricades, you mean an earthen berm with grass 7 on it? 8 MS. KASESKA: No, it's like a fence, 9 wooden fence or something. I don't know the 10 terms. 11 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We typically would 12 prefer not to use a fence. It's a pretty 13 artificial means. 14 We have like land uses, this is 15 a residential use that we are proposing, 16 single- family; likewise, the lots around that 17 parcel will also be single- family residences. 18 But when it comes down to an 19 individual basis when we get to that level of 20 detail, if you prefer a fence, we can certainly 21 look at that. 22 MS. KASESKA: And your fire station, 23 that looks like there is going to be some land 24 between the fire station and the subdivision? I i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 50 1 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. And that 2 would be probably some type of landscaped area 3 that would separate the land uses. That would 4 definitely use some type of landscaping. 5 MS. KASESKA: Okay. Now, the 6 gentleman that was talking about the roads, 7 okay -- 8 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Mr. Aboona? 9 MS. KASESKA: Okay. All right. 10 Ament here, there is no stop sign. Right now we 11 have all the kids that come along here and all 12 they do is wheelies and they're going faster than 13 55. 14 I don't care, I live out there, 15 it don't bother me, but what's going to happen 16 when you put in this proposed Wheeler with this 17 high school here? We are going to have a major 18 problem. 19 Not only do we need stop signs, 20 you are going to have to lower the speed limit. 21 Are you anticipating doing that? I want to be 22 able to freely come out of my fence. 23 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. We will have 24 to work with the city police department as far as Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 51 1 where the traffic control devices will be 2 located, as well as speed limits at that time. 3 MS. KASESKA: Okay. I think that's 4 about all I have. 5 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Okay. Thank you 6 for your comments. 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you. If 8 anybody up here has been looking at the clock at 9 the back of the wall, it's been quarter to 8:00 10 for the last 20 minutes. i 11 (Laughter) 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Other 13 questions or concerns from the audience? 14 (No Response) 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. I will 16 then close that portion of the public -- Yes. 17 Sir? 18 WHEREUPON: 19 MICHAEL HILL, 20 having been first duly sworn, testified before 21 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 22 MR. HILL: My name is Michael Hill. 23 I live at -- in the Ron Hill subdivision. I have 24 a couple questions. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 52 1 This development is going to be 2 served by a well; is that correct? 3 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: No. What we were 4 talking about is there will be a municipal well 5 out here to get added water for the entire 6 community. 7 This will be a municipal water 8 and sanitary sewer system, so there will be 9 another deep well that will be located out here 10 to fill the reservoir and the water will be 11 treated. 12 MR. HILL: As a supplemental to the 13 city water system currently? 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: That's an addition 15 to the current city water system. 16 MR. HILL: All right. And then has 17 somebody taken a look at the potential effects on 18 local residents? 19 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. We always 20 look to see what the drilling logs show as far as 21 the homes that are in the area and how deep their 22 wells are. 23 Traditionally the municipal 24 wells go to the deeper aquifers, they get below Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 53 1 the aquifers that most of your single- family 2 homes are tapped into. 3 MR. HILL: I have a couple more 4 questions. The overall site, you mentioned your 5 house break is 2.11? 6 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: The overall 7 density, yes. 8 MR. HILL: The density. And so that 9 works out to be approximately 2,000 houses? 10 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I think our actual 11 number was 1,764. 12 MR. HILL: All right. For the areas 13 adjacent to Emmanuel on the north side, you've -- 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Here? 15 MR. HILL: Yea, those lot sizes -- 16 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: These are a 17 minimum 12,000. They will be -- There will be 18 larger lots in there, but the minimum will be 19 12,000. 20 MR. HILL: All right. And I have a 21 concern, I'm just adjacent to the Ron Hill 22 subdivision to the north, the northwest corner. 23 All of our lots are in the 24 vicinity of 45,000 to 60,000, or one -acre plus, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 54 1 and due south of us approximately half a mile is 2 a new subdivision going in called Deer Farm -- 3 Deer Creek Farm. Those are all greater than 4 45,000 square feet. 5 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. i 6 MR. HILL: The 12,000, we are 7 basically going to be looking out our windows at 8 quarter acre lots essentially. 9 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. 10 MR. HILL: And I guess from a 11 resident's standpoint, my concern and some of my i 12 neighbors' concerns, is that you're going to 13 have -- I'd like to see those lots increased in 14 size, just to meet -- from a proportional 15 standpoint, dropping from acre -plus right across 16 the road down to quarter acre, I have some 17 concerns with property values and also population 18 density. 19 I mean, that's one of the 20 reasons I moved out here, and several of my 21 neighbors. 22 My only other comment with 23 respect to the public hearing was that only 24 selected people in my subdivision got letters and Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 55 1 they were the only people that visually had a 2 direct line of- sight -of this subdivision. 3 My neighbor just to the 4 southwest of me did not get a letter, and I 5 thought that was -- obviously for public hearings 6 I know that there is a minimum -- there is a 7 minimum requirement on who needs to be notified. 8 I would have thought the whole 9 subdivision should have been notified. But I 10 that's just a statement, but it's my concern, and 11 I know some of my neighbors' concerns are the lot 12 sizes adjacent. 13 I can appreciate that the 14 development has put together a comprehensive plan 15 with respect to the northern -- north of Walker 16 Road all being single- family, which I am in favor 17 of obviously, but the lot size I would like to 18 see increased more someplace around a half acre 19 or 20,000 square feet, would be my preference, to 20 give more of a buffer. 21 Obviously as you get closer to 22 Route 47, that's going to be from a planning I 23 standpoint, you know, are those lot sizes will go 24 down into townhome, but -- into townhome or Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 56 1 multi - family dwellings, but that would be my 2 concern and my neighbors' concerns. 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank 4 you. 5 MR. HILL: All right. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you. 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: If I can just 8 address Mr. Hill's comment, obviously you are I 9 aware of the fact that when you build in the 10 county and you are using a well and septic i 11 system, because of health concerns they require a 12 bigger parcel. 13 MR. HILL: Sure, I do understand. 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: And when we 15 develop in urban settings such as the city and we 16 are extending public sewer and water, there is a 17 larger expense there to be able to extend those 18 systems, and by the same token, you have to look 19 at the relationship then of those lot sizes 20 because of the costs of the infrastructure 21 improvements, okay? So that's one aspect. 22 Another aspect that we 23 typically will look at is in this case the homes 24 in our development do not back up against your Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 57 1 subdivision. 2 There is a -- what I guess we 3 would call a collector road or a major collector 4 road in Emmanuel. That right -of -way separates 5 the land uses and can be considered a logical 6 transition between the land uses. 7 Additionally, we will do some 8 landscaping and screening on our side of the 9 right -of -way where we abut Emmanuel Road. 10 So there will be some things, 11 not only space, but there will be addition of the I 12 landscaping and possibly berming there to be able 13 to break up visually, plus -- we don't have the I 14 layout for this area yet. You'll get a chance to 15 look at that. 16 MR. HILL: I understand that. 17 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: And so it may not 18 be that the lots will line up like soldier course 19 on the other side of the road. 20 There could be cul -de -sacs 21 where, you know, the lots pan out, and so until 22 we can get to that detail, I think if you could 23 be patient with us, you will be able to see some 24 more as we get further along. i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 58 1 MR. HILL: Sure, and I understand 2 that. 3 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We appreciate your 4 comments. 5 MR. HILL: I just have one other 6 comment with respect to the berming on the side 7 of the road, and I can appreciate that, and I 8 understand you are in a preliminary stand -- 9 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Concept. 10 MR. HILL: Right. Concept. You are 11 not in preliminary, right. 12 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Right. 13 MR. HILL: And there is going to be 14 a lot more development work taking place. 15 But with respect to elevation, 16 if you go into the Ron Hill subdivision -- Can I 17 borrow your pointer, please? 18 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Sure. 19 MR. HILL: All right. Right here in 20 the Ron Hill subdivision, that elevation 21 probably -- we have a retention pond that's 22 located right there. I 23 There is probably 20 feet of 24 elevation drop from -- going from west to east Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 59 1 that slopes down, and you've got some elevation 2 in here, but pretty much from this area of the 3 subdivision really overlooks this whole area all 4 the way down, and so any type of berms, although 5 it does give a visual barrier, it's not -- when 6 you take into account that elevation change, I 7 don't think that's going to be an effective 8 measure to screen that -- you know, screen the 9 neighborhood. 10 And we expect to see houses; my 11 only request is that we try to space those houses 12 out a little bit more. Thanks. 13 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: And as far as the 14 notice, there is a 500 -foot notice requirement 15 and that's why, you know, one lot gets a notice 16 and another one doesn't. 17 MR. HILL: I understand. 18 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: And then, of 19 course, they publish in the newspaper. That's a 20 required notice by state statute. The other is i 21 the city asks us to send an additional -- 22 MR. HILL: That was strictly a 23 personal comment on that. I understand the -- 24 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We didn't mean to Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 60 1 exclude anybody. 2 MR. HILL: I do understand the -- 3 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: They draw the line 4 at 500 feet. 5 MR. HILL: I understand that. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Marty, you had 7 your -- 8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yes, Tom. Just real 9 quick, though. I heard how -- 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Marty, can we 11 get your name for the record, please? 12 WHEREUPON: 13 MARTY SCHWARTZ, 14 having been first duly sworn, testified before 15 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 16 MR. SCHWARTZ: I'm sorry, Marty 17 Schwartz. I heard how you were addressing the 18 pipeline south of Walker Road. 19 I was wondering how you were 20 going to address the one to the north. 21 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Do you want to 22 point out which one, sir? 23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, it's going to 24 run -- it's going to run -- Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 61 1 MR. MARTIN: Right there. It's in 2 the creek -- it's in that creek corridor buffer. 3 This is south of that, right? 4 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I don't know if 5 you heard Mr. Martin. That's part of the open 6 space area. 7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. All right. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Gentleman right 9 here in the front row had your hand up. 10 WHEREUPON: i 11 STEVE ELLIS, 12 having been first duly sworn, testified before 13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 14 MR. ELLIS: My name is Steve Ellis. 15 I live on McCannon Road in Seward Township 16 downstream from the Aux Sable, and I am a member 17 of the Aux Sable coalition as well. 18 The question I have doesn't 19 relate to that. From a conceptual standpoint it 20 was mentioned earlier that, let's see, back -load 21 houses are preferred, and I think they are great. 22 I don't think anybody thinks a 23 garage door is pretty. Why don't you make them 24 all back load? Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 62 1 The town of Yorkville is -- has 2 a lot of side drives and alleys and they work -- 3 they work very well. I'd like for you to 4 consider that. 5 My second question is public 6 transportation. Is there any thought that this 7 area might be suitable for public transportation 8 at some point? Thank you. 9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Any comments to 10 that, John? 11 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. We try to 12 offer a variety of project. As you might 13 imagine, you can get a little different floor 14 plan with the front -load townhome. If you are 15 aware of other projects, many of them are three 16 level. 17 It's just kind of a personal 18 preference, depending on the age and the 19 lifestyle of those that want it. 20 So we try to offer both 21 products in the attached components of our plan, 22 but obviously we will be looking at how we lay 23 those out, what the relationship of the townhomes 24 are to the road, and John Martin has worked on Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 63 1 many, many developments and he will work with us 2 as we develop the product so that it's situated 3 on the lots to take advantage of curvatures -- 4 curvature in the streets and that sort of thing 5 to break up that as you spoke of. 6 MR. ELLIS: Thank you. 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: As far as public 8 transportation, John or Mayor, I don't know -- I 9 don't know what the future plans of public 10 transportation in the area. 11 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Well, currently I 12 know the RTA is looking at someday expanding out 13 into this area, but currently we do not fall 14 within the regional transportation area which 15 serves the collar counties of Chicago. 16 It actually takes a vote of the 17 General Assembly to bring us in because it 18 requires an additional tax fee charged, so we 19 currently are not in that area. 20 Like I say, I know they are 21 looking at it. I think the last time I talked to 22 the director he mentioned to me that they were I 23 looking at going as far west as LaSalle County 24 and as far north as Rockford someday. That's Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 64 1 about as much as I can tell you. 2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Lady in the next 3 to back row, please. 4 WHEREUPON: 5 ROSE WHITE, 6 having been first duly sworn, testified before 7 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 8 MS. WHITE: My name is Rose White 9 and I have a property on Caton Farm adjacent to 10 the development. 11 I have a question first about 12 the high school. Would this be located right on 13 Route 47? 14 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Well, the land, of 15 course, goes up to Route 47. You can see it in 16 this large green area. That's the high school 17 site. 18 But where physically the 19 buildings would be located, that would be a 20 school district decision. That would not be our I 21 decision. 22 MS. WHITE: Would there have to be I 23 another stoplight or would traffic be able to 24 come in on another road and then go to the high Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 65 1 school? 2 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: There will be 3 internal roadways. Like, for instance, you know, 4 off of Wheeler Road, there will be internal roads 5 that will go get into the site, and as the 6 property to the north develops, this area, there 7 will be a road network that will continue out of 8 our development and may skirt along the edge of 9 the high school site and eventually Ament Road, 10 so there will be areas for the school buses and 11 students to be able to get to the high school 12 through other avenues other than direct access to 13 Route 47. 14 MS. WHITE: Because I would like to 15 suggest as a mother of high schoolers that if you 16 have ever been to our high school, I just think 17 it would be a very bad idea for the entrance to 18 be on Route 47. 19 Number one, there is just so 20 much traffic that needs to go, we don't need that 21 extra clogging up there. 22 The other thing is safety for 23 young people that are walking along the road and 24 dropping kids off, and it would -- I would like Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 66 1 to suggest that they not have an entrance on 2 Route 47. 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I think we have 4 an answer from our consulting engineer sitting 5 over -- John? i 6 MR. WHITEHOUSE: There would not be 7 a school entrance to Illinois Route 47, period. 8 MS. WHITE: And I have one other 9 question. Down on the west side of the 10 development on Caton Farm, is that some kind i 11 of -- I couldn't see everything when you were 12 doing it. 13 Is that a housing development 14 on your southwest -- 15 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Right here? 16 MS. WHITE: Yes. 17 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes, that's 18 residential. 19 MS. WHITE: And what kind of 20 residential? 21 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Single- family 22 detached. 23 MS. WHITE: Okay. And we do have 24 livestock, so they would be able to get some Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 67 1 protection for our livestock? 2 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: What type of 3 livestock? 4 MS. WHITE: Horses, raise dogs, but 5 even for the protection of other people, I would 6 probably like to see some type of fencing. 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We anticipate 8 probably the development moving from the north to 9 the south, so that's going to be considerably 10 further into the time span of development of this 11 community, but obviously as we start to get down 12 here in preliminary, and certainly at final, we 13 can look to see at that point in time what type 14 of livestock you still have and then we'll just i 15 have to work with you to see how that could be 16 addressed. 17 MS. WHITE: Is there is a person we 18 can contact with that? 19 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Well, we will be 20 back before the Plan Commission on numerous 21 occasions and certainly we can give you a card so 22 you can stay in contact with us, okay? 23 MS. WHITE: Okay. Thank you. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Gentleman right Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 68 1 by the podium, opposite the podium. 2 WHEREUPON: 3 JIM AIKEN, 4 having been first duly sworn, testified before 5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 6 MR. AIKEN: My name is Jim Aiken and 7 I concur with this gentleman. We moved out in 8 the area four years ago and we live on Emmanuel. 9 We have about four acres out there. 10 When you start coming to the i 11 north side, the subdivision as you talked about, 12 it's nice, but we moved away from the nice old 13 town, quaint old town, until they started doing 14 something similar to this. Naperville. 15 I grew up there when I was 16 three years old. In '71 I went to college and 17 moved away and is it has sprawled since that 18 point. 19 I think on the north part of 20 this, go for bigger lots, half acre. Behind us, 21 behind Ron Hill, there is another subdivision 22 they put in, I can't at this think of the name 23 right now -- 24 MR. POCIUS: Yes. i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 69 1 MR. AIKEN: And that has large lots, 2 and with that in mind, the impact is coming back 3 to the property owners on the north side. 4 I think keeping in line they 5 ought to be maybe a little bit bigger and keep 6 the impact a little bit less on that point. 7 That's one of the comments that I have. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thanx. 9 you. Gentleman in the back. 10 WHEREUPON: s 11 GARY PRETHOUR, 12 having been first duly sworn, testified before 13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: I I 14 MR. PRETHOUR: Gary Prethour. Maybe 15 just three points of clarification. Did I 16 understand the proposal is for 47 to go from a 17 four -lane road from Caton Farm north and then 18 funnel back into two lanes, Ament Road? 19 Number two, we've heard about 20 the land for the high school. Who pays for the 21 high school? 22 Number three, what plans are 23 there for transition between the houses and the 24 farming community that surrounds the whole Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 70 1 development? 2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Who 3 would care to handle the Route 47 issue? 4 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: That would be 5 Louie Aboona. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 7 MR. ABOONA: What we are proposing 8 is to have 47 ultimately projected to be a 9 four -lane roadway continuous from Wheeler Road 10 all the way to Caton Farm, the reason -- the 11 reason being is that as you move south of the 12 development, especially in proximity to the 13 commercial parcels, there is additional access 14 roads that are being introduced and, therefore, 15 making -- necessitating 47 to become a four -lane 16 roadway. 17 As you move north, you can see 18 from our plan that we are not introducing any 19 additional access roads between the major 20 east /west roads, Wheeler and Ament, and so forth, 21 so we are not proposing to make 47 a multi -lane 22 roadway mid - block; however, at the intersections, 23 as I stated earlier, we are looking at 24 signalizing those intersections and providing Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 71 1 additional lanes on 47 in terms of turn lanes, as 2 well as two lanes. 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 4 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: To answer your 5 question about who pays, well, we have a 6 referendum coming up. We want you to vote yes, 7 yes. 8 I am a resident of Yorkville. 9 I don't have children in the school system, never 10 did. But as a public, we have to promote our 11 public education, and so there will be a 12 combination of development fees by all the 13 developers, impact fees, the city has these as 14 requirements, and so we will be paying those 15 fees, and as more developments come on, more of 16 those fees come in. 17 As you know, it's not the 18 city's responsibility to take care of education, 19 it's our school board, and I know they are 20 working hard to do it, but as with anything, you 21 know, it takes a budget and takes funds to be 22 able to run it and hire good teachers, so I think 23 that over the course of history we have shown 24 that in the developing communities they have been Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =0030 72 1 able to keep up with building the schools. 2 Is it cheap? No. Nothing is 3 cheap. But certainly it's important I think that 4 we have quality education, and so we certainly 5 expect that we would support the education in the 6 Yorkville School District. 7 As far as the right, there will 8 be a right -to -farm statement. It's part of our 9 packet. It will go on all of our subdivision 10 plats, it will be part of the record, recognizing i 11 that when you move into a development like this 12 that they should be aware that normal 13 agricultural practices may result in occasional 14 smells, dust, sights, noise and unique hours of 15 operation that are not typical in other zoning 16 districts. 17 So whether they will understand 18 it is another thing, but we certainly do put that 19 statement in, and that will be explained to 20 residents as they move into the development. 21 MR. HOMERDING: I just have a 22 question -- 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Sir? 24 WHEREUPON: Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 73 1 BRIAN HOMERDING, 2 having been first duly sworn, testified before 3 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 4 MR. HOMERDING: Brian Homerding. 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I'm sorry, let's 6 get the name again. 7 MR. HOMERDING: Brian Homerding. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay, Brian. 9 MR. HOMERDING: On your south part, 10 where is your retention at? By the commercial? 11 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Immediately to the 12 west. This area -- the large area has been 13 designated for the immediate run -off and then 14 there is some more open space here, so these will 15 be planted with certain plant species, hardy 16 species, that will be able to an act as filters 17 for the water when it's toward the drainages. 18 MR. HOMERDING: Are you going to 19 have a retention pond there? 20 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: At this point in 21 time we can't determine whether it will be wet or 22 what we call as blue green or occasionally 23 inundated and then dry, so -- But right now this 24 is shown as probably not going to be a wet bottom Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 74 1 like this one, it will be a permanent body of 2 water up here, but these other areas we are 3 showing probably will be more of what we call 4 blue green, subject to inundation, they hold the 5 water and it drains off. I 6 MR. HOMERDING: You are going to 7 have a lot of blacktop and rooftops there for 8 just blue green. 9 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Well, that's 10 correct. It's designed to take all the 11 coefficients to run off per the city's 12 ordinances, and Mr. Whitehouse will review all 13 those plans to make certain that we comply WITH 14 all those regulations. 15 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: And then some. 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Yes, 17 ma'am. 18 MS. KASESKA: Kaseska. What I would 19 like to know is when do you anticipate ground 20 breaking and when do the houses go up and what 21 order do they go up? 22 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I think I 23 indicated the development will follow the 24 utilities, so right now our planned corridor is Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 75 1 to bring the utilities along Route 47 on the east 2 side to Ament Road. 3 Richard Marker is in with plans 4 with the development of this property, so some of 5 those utilities would be extended in. 6 We will tie into -- this may or 7 may not be the ultimate stand pipe location, 8 somewhere in this area that will be it, but right 9 now we are showing it as a possible location 10 there will be a well dug, there will be a 11 treatment facility built with it, so the northern 12 portion will more than likely be first to develop 13 and then we will develop in a southerly direction 14 from there. 15 When would we start? That's 16 going to depend on the utility availability. I 17 don't anticipate there will be anything in 2006. 18 Wishful thinking would say 2007. Practically 19 speaking, it's probably more like 2008. And we 20 would expect maybe a ten -year to whatever 21 build -out. 22 MS. KASESKA: So basically you 23 would typically start up by Ron Hill then? 24 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Not necessarily. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 76 1 It could be one of these neighborhoods down 2 around the central portion, maybe off of Wheeler 3 Road, that would be the more likely. 4 Unless another developer comes 5 in and does something between us and where the 6 utilities are coming in, the practicality of 7 picking up utilities here and extending them all 8 the way out just to do a couple neighborhoods 9 here maybe, maybe not likely. 10 MS. KASESKA: So in the back of my 11 head am I understanding right, you are going to 12 develop this Wheeler Road pretty quick? I 13 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: That may be an 14 initial area that we would be looking at I 15 probably. I 16 MS. KASESKA: Thank you. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Anybody else? 18 Yes, sir. 19 MR. STUCK: With some high interest 20 rates coming out -- 21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I'm sorry, your 22 name, please? 23 WHEREUPON: 24 GEORGE STUCK, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 77 1 having been first duly sworn, testified before 2 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 3 MR. STUCK: George Stuck. With the 4 high interest rates going up lately, we have some 5 nice Developments, Tanglewood Trails, I think 6 John Deere Crossings are in there. 7 They are not selling as fast as 8 they -- We are going to have a lot of empty lots. 9 You know, right now this is not needed, period. 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Is there 11 any other questions, something we have not 12 touched on? I don't want to keep repeating 13 things. 14 Yes, ma'am. Lady over here. 15 WHEREUPON: 16 MICHELLE AIKEN, 17 having been first duly sworn, testified before 18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 19 MS. AIKEN: Michelle Aiken. I would 20 just like to know, Emmanuel Road, as the traffic 21 gets worse on it, who is going to be responsible 22 for the upkeep and maintenance of that road? Who 23 pays for that in the long run? 24 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: As we annex Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 78 1 property to the City of Yorkville, the existing 2 township roads, where it's adjacent, we must 3 annex to the far side of any adjacent road; 4 therefore, where we are adjacent to in your case 5 Emmanuel, we will be annexing to the far side. 6 What that means is that that 7 roadway then comes under the jurisdiction of the 8 City of Yorkville, and so the City of Yorkville 9 would be responsible for the care and maintenance 10 after the developer does the necessary 11 improvements as outlined by what the city will 12 require and we construct them, we put up letters 13 of credit to guaranty them, and there is a 14 maintenance period for a year after that before 15 they actually get turned over, so there is a 16 process it has to go through. 17 So the answer is ultimately new 18 roads to be built, the ones that are adjacent to i 19 will be annexed, and they will all be under the 20 responsibility of the City of Yorkville. 21 MS. AIKEN: I am an unincorporated 22 property. Will that require that we be 23 incorporated? 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: No. I believe Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 79 1 lady over here had her hand up. 2 WHEREUPON: 3 ANNETTE HATNER, 4 having been first duly sworn, testified before 5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: i 6 MS. HATNER: Annette Hatner. I hear 7 you talked about the meetings to talk about water 8 and sewer, utilities. How can I be included in 9 those meetings or be notified of them? 10 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I think, of i 11 course, all the Planning Commission meetings are 12 public. 13 MS. HATNER: These are private 14 meetings I believe you are talking about. 15 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: These would be 16 meetings where we would come in and submit plans 17 and the city's engineering consultant, EDI, of 18 Sugar Grove, they will be the primary reviewers 19 of those and be making comments back to us as 20 recommendations, so typically -- I don't know if 21 you want to see the engineering plans when we 22 make a submittal. 23 Anything that is submitted to 24 the city becomes public record and you'd be =0030 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 80 1 entitled to come in and look at them, and if you 2 want to get copies, there may be a charge or 3 something to reproduce them, but they would be 4 able to be looked at. 5 MS. AIKEN: Or can I give you my 6 name or number? 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I won't promise 8 that. I am not in every meeting. It depends on 9 which consultant is coming in for a particular 10 meeting. Sometimes they're spur of the moment. 11 But certainly the general 12 meetings that are held, you certainly can 13 probably stay in touch with the staff here at the 14 city and they can let you know when like a 15 planning council meeting is scheduled on Thursday 16 mornings or when we will be going to Planning 17 Commission. 18 We don't want to exclude you 19 obviously, but we can't guarantee you that we 20 would be able to get you notice to get you every 21 meeting that's held. 22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Lady right 23 through here, please. 24 WHEREUPON: Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 81 1 JILL STUCK, 2 having been first duly sworn, testified before 3 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 4 MS. STUCK: Jill Stuck. We live on 5 Emmanuel Road probably about halfway between 6 Wheeler and Ament. 7 You as developers are 8 presenting a wonderful plan, it looks real nice. 9 I would -- Hopefully, I hope you appreciate the 10 fact that Yorkville has and is a farming 11 community. 12 We do farm, we have livestock, 13 we have been through this before. We have a 14 subdivision going in next to us. We asked for 15 protection for our livestock. What we got we are 16 kind of unhappy with. 17 As far as the lot size, I can 18 well appreciate your comments, sir, we -- our 19 house, we have a ten -acre lot that our house is 20 on. 21 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Back in here off 22 of the road? 23 MS. STUCK: Yes. And years ago when 24 we bought the property, it was our understanding Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 82 1 that from Yorkville south it would increase in 2 lot size, so now we are going ten acres to a 3 quarter acre? That doesn't -- 4 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Did you say ten 5 years? How long? 6 MR. STUCK: About ten years. I 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: See, obviously a 8 lot of things happen in ten years. 9 MS. STUCK: I understand that, 10 but -- 11 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: A lot of things 12 happens in one year. But the City of Yorkville 13 recently had planning consultants look at this I 14 entire south area to say, okay, what kind of 15 transportation system will we need, what 16 ultimately will be the land uses, where should 17 the commercial nodes be out here and, as a 18 result, they have put together a plan, and it's 19 called the Comprehensive Plan, they are available 20 here at the city, and what we have done is taken 21 that plan and then incorporated within the design 22 guidelines of the plan our land uses for this 23 area. 24 It's inevitable as our cities Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 83 1 expand that they will come out to meet and in 2 some instances the farm owners ultimately decide 3 that they would rather farm back out in the open 4 areas and sometimes sell their farms. 5 MS. STUCK: So we have to move. We 6 have to move. 7 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: No, no, we're not 8 saying you have to move, but obviously the owners 9 of these properties are entitled to the highest 10 and best use of their land. I 11 You have chosen your lifestyle 12 and your acreage that you enjoy and that's 13 wonderful, but then there are others in the 14 community that are looking for a little different i 15 lifestyle. 16 Not everyone likes to mow an 17 acre or two acres and ten acres and cut that two 18 or three times a week in the summer, so you have 19 to provide a number of lot sizes and housing 20 options for the expanding metro area. 21 And Yorkville is like many of 22 the other communities in the area; they are being 23 impacted by people who wish to locate in this 24 part of the county and state. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 84 1 MS. STUCK: Oh, I appreciate that, 2 but I guess I am with them. I just think it 3 would be kind of simple to increase your lot 4 sizes. 5 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: I understand what 6 you are saying, but, again, this is a different 7 lifestyle choice and the incorporation of urban 8 designs and urban systems dictate that this is 9 going to be a city, a community. 10 That doesn't mean that you 11 can't peacefully co- exist, I don't know if you 12 are familiar -- Well, one gentleman grew up in 13 Naperville, but Wildwood, they were able to 14 maintain their one -acre lots. They are 15 surrounded over there, I'm starting to see some 16 tear - downs. 17 MR. AIKEN: People are coming out 18 here to get away from that, and what we are doing 19 here is doing what they've got. 20 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: That may be your 21 understanding of it, but the fact of the matter 22 is there are many other advantages to living in 23 Yorkville other than being located on a one or 24 two or five -acre parcel. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 85 1 MS. AIKEN: But you say people have 2 these choices. Well, it looks like our choices 3 have kind of been taken away. 4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Are there 5 other things that have not been addressed? 6 Through here, please? 7 WHEREUPON: 8 PATTY SHOBERT, 9 having been first duly sworn, testified before 10 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 11 MS. SHOBERT: Patty Shobert. I have 12 a question. On a different map you showed the 13 Wheeler Road door coming out differently at 14 Emmanuel Road. 15 Is this exact? Is this the 16 correct map? 17 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: This is the 18 correct alignment that we are proposing. 19 Initially the city's 20 comprehensive plan showed it a little 21 differently, but based on our assessment on some 22 of the areas out here, some of the floodplain 23 areas adjacent to the mid branch of Aux Sable 24 Creek, and the fact that you can't take these Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 86 1 lines at these scales, I mean, I think the 2 gentleman pointed out how many miles this is. 3 So while this looks very tight 4 and close, it in reality is not, because those of 5 you that live out there, you know how far away 6 you are talking here. 7 But the line on the 8 Comprehensive Plan, you know, if you took it 9 literally, it ran through a part of the cemetery, 10 and so obviously you are not going to do that, so 11 what we have done is tried to locate the road to 12 minimize the impacts on the Aux Sable watershed 13 and floodplain areas, and certainly, you know, we 14 weren't going to try to push the road through the 15 cemetery. 16 So this is what we think is a 17 reasonable alignment for the extension of the 18 road. 19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Far back. 20 MS. WHITE: Me? 21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes. 22 MS. WHITE: I am thinking about all 23 the proposed stoplights. When you think about 24 all the other communities along Route 47, Route Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 87 1 47 is a main route that is used for people who 2 commute far, it's not just used for our 3 community, several people in my family even. 4 I am concerned about that many 5 stoplights in such close proximity. Is there any 6 way that some of that could be changed? 7 Every time a town starts doing 8 this, it just makes -- you know, if a person has 9 an hour commute, then they are commuting an hour 10 and 20 minutes, and there is very few main roads 11 left now for people to take as a main one to use. 12 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Any lights that 13 would go on Route 47, they have to meet certain 14 criteria that the state looks at before they will 15 approve a light at any particular location. 16 So we just can't decide gee, it 17 will be nice to have a light and put one here and 18 another one here and another one. Warrants have 19 to be met and then approval from IDOT. 20 And then to try to alleviate 21 your concern about in the end we want to move 22 traffic, what we do is we interconnect the 23 signals so that you try to gauge based on the 24 amount of traffic that's coming on the side Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 88 1 streets, keep the main arterial open and moving 2 traffic so that you don't have to stop here and 3 then have to stop here and then have to stop 4 here. 5 You want to move the traffic so 6 you interconnect those signals. They have 7 sensors that pick up the volumes that are waiting 8 at these cross streets, try to keep the green as 9 long as they can on the major thoroughfare. 10 MS. WHITE: And also, just for the 11 record, I know our family agrees with the bigger 12 lot sizes. We are not in favor of duplexes at 13 all, and we agree that the southern portion of 14 Yorkville, what's here has been the bigger lot 15 sizes and we just do not -- especially the 16 duplexes. We are totally against the duplexes. 17 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Just as a point of • 18 clarification, we are not proposing duplexes in 19 the development. There was an earlier plan -- 20 MS. WHITE: On the southern part? 21 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We have what we 22 call a courthome product and we have what's 23 called a townhome product. Those are not duplex 24 units. They are attached single- family product, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 89 1 but they are not duplexes. 2 MS. WHITE: Okay. Well, it's high 3 density, okay? It's almost the same. 4 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: If you want to say 5 it's high density, I would have to respectfully 6 disagree with you, it's not high density, and in 7 light of the overall density, it's a very low 8 density, as 2.11. 9 Compared to a five -acre tract, 10 you're right, that seems like high density, but 11 it's not in an urban setting. 12 MS. WHITE: It's very high density 13 for this overall neighborhood, and I would agree 14 with the one -acre minimum lot size. 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Somebody over 16 here, please. Very back. 17 WHEREUPON: 18 KEN BENSON, 19 having been first duly sworn, testified before 20 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 21 MR. BENSON: Ken Benson. Quick 22 question. You said you were mentioning about I 23 moving traffic through. Are there any plans -- 24 and maybe the city can address this -- for I II Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 90 1 Route 47 north of 71 for 1700 homes to come in, 2 how we are going to get the traffic through 3 Yorkville to the tollways where most of these 4 people are probably going to work? 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Art, would 6 you -- 7 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I can tell you 8 what we know. The governor has put over 9 $18,000,000 in the budget to widening 47 from 71 10 to Kennedy Road. That is where they have done i 11 the -- they have been doing the engineering for 12 the last six years. 13 Unfortunately, you may or may 14 not be aware, there is disagreement between the 15 General Assembly and the governor as to the 16 budgets and what gets approved. The General 17 Assembly has not approved the budget. 18 The federal government also put 19 in another $4,000,000 towards that project, so 20 those are -- and again, they are there, as soon 21 as our state legislators and the governor come to 22 some agreement as to free up those funds. 23 MR. BENSON: I guess part of the 24 concern I have is trying to get through, it backs Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 91 1 up coming into Yorkville through the schools in 2 the morning. It takes, you know, 15, 20 minutes 3 to get through town, and then also backs up at 4 Route 30 all the way back to Galena Road. 5 It's huge traffic, and I know I 6 go on 126 because those people are going to work 7 in the suburbs I imagine that are coming out 8 there this way, and you can't get onto 55 from 9 126 either. 10 So my other question, is this I 11 going to be an SSA or SA community? 12 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: There is a lot of 13 confusion on the different labelings. The 14 municipality will require us to have what's 15 called a backup dormant SSA to cover the 16 maintenance of all the common open areas in the 17 event that the homeowner's association fails to 18 do that. Okay? That's one type of SSA. 19 There are other kinds of 20 special tax areas where you can fund some 21 infrastructure improvements upfront by selling 22 bonds and guarantying the payment by the actual 23 homeowners with their tax bills, so it hasn't 24 been decided yet what the financing -- Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 92 1 MR. BENSON: You don't know about 2 this? 3 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We don't know 4 about that at this time. 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Far back 6 row? And I trust we are not repeating ourselves 7 again. Is there something new and different that 8 we haven't talked about? 9 MR. WHITE: Yes, it is. 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: If so, please. 11 MR. WHITE: My name is Ted White. 12 The lower blue green area you were talking about 13 right down there, who is going to ultimately 14 maintain that and monitor it? 15 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: This particular 16 one, depending on who drains into it, it could be 17 a combination of a homeowner's association, in 18 other words, the residential users, along with a 19 property owner's association that would maintain 20 the commercial area, sometimes depending on how 21 much volume from the detention of the commercial 22 area goes into it, that could be solely 23 maintained by that association, and the 24 residential would take care of theirs. Sometimes Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 93 1 they are a combination. 2 We would look at that as we get 3 down in our engineering designs, but again, there 4 would be the backup SSA's to take care of that in 5 the event that there was a failure. 6 And just to point out to you is 7 that the individual homeowners, they don't 8 maintain it, they hire a company that is skilled 9 at maintaining the plants like that -- 10 MR. WHITE: I understand. 11 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: -- and cleaning 12 the systems and that sort of thing, and they are 13 contracted on an annual basis to do that. 14 MR. WHITE: I understand that. I 15 have seen subdivisions where this blue green 16 proposal, they put the plants in, the plants dry 17 up, the plants die, and then it's left to be mud, 18 swamp, and that's the way it was left, and I 19 don't want to see that happen. 20 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: You have to design 21 the facility correctly. If they are 22 water - seeking plants that are put in there, it 23 has to be designed so that there is enough 24 inundation to be able to do that or that the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 94 1 plants can withstand a certain dry period. 2 So this technology is expanding 3 and coming along at a rapid pace now. Some of 4 the earlier attempts weren't as good, and now 5 they are actually growing certain species of 6 plants designed for some of these systems. 7 There is a company over in 8 Indiana, James New, that has a nursery that 9 raises some of these things. 10 So the technology is getting 11 better and better. There is more engineering 12 companies that are involved in the design of 13 these systems, ecologically speaking, and 14 environmentally sensitive areas. It's amazing 15 what can be done now. But you're right, that's 16 been a problem in some cases. 17 MR. WHITE: Thank you very much. 18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Right here. I 19 MS. AIKEN: Michelle Aiken. No 20 disrespect to the developer, sir, but can the 21 city tell me why this is such an urgent matter, 22 why this needs to be done now? 23 Is there something that we'll 24 be missing out on or some negative impact that I i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 95 I I 1 will happen to the city if we do not approve any 2 of this project at all? 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Who wants to 4 take that? 5 MR. JONES: That's what we've got a 6 mayor for. 7 MAYOR PROCHASKA: There are several 8 issues here. First of all, any property owner 9 has the right to request to annex into the city 10 of Yorkville, and that's what's happened here. 11 We are seeing it happen all 12 over, not just in Yorkville, but Plano, 13 Montgomery, Sugar Grove, Joliet, everywhere. 14 It's happening. 15 This is an area that has been 16 identified in our Comprehensive Plan in our area 17 so that they have come to the City of Yorkville. 18 At this point in time there are 19 no boundary agreements or anything with anybody 20 out here. It could go to some other town if they 21 so choose; however, obviously it would make sense 22 as Yorkville has the utilities there, so that's 23 why they want to come here. 24 From the city's point of view, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 96 1 we look at it as it does meet the Comprehensive 2 Plan. 3 What we are looking at is the 4 logical growth out of the -- as the city grows -- 5 And the city is going to grow. I mean, the 6 cities have grown in this area for 180 years, so 7 this is expansion, again, and as far as is there 8 any rush to get it through, I don't think this 9 has been rushing, it's -- I think -- 10 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: We've spent two 11 years so far developing our plan. 12 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Yes. I mean, it's 13 not something that's being rushed through, it's 14 something going through a process and being 15 checked, obviously asking residents and people in 16 the area to come forth and give comments so that 17 those can be incorporated into it. 18 So it's not, it's simply -- 19 it's a developer asking to develop within the 20 City of Yorkville. 21 Could the city say no? There 22 is no legal thing that I know of that the city is 23 required to annex any property, but, again, when 24 you see people coming in and you put together a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 97 I 1 plan and come to the city and meet that plan, 2 then I think in all fairness to -- just to like 3 anybody else in the city that needs to be 4 considered, and that's what's happening here, i 5 it's going through a process of consideration. 6 Again, it's a logical extension of the city. 7 The only thing that we see at 8 this point in this area is there are other 9 communities that are beginning to grow into this 10 area; one in particular that -- while it's not 11 immediately in this area but is certainly coming, 12 we already overlap our planning area with the 13 City of Joliet. 14 It is a little further to the 15 east. Where Yorkville shows one and a half to 16 two units per acre, actually it's less than that, 17 it's one and a half to 1.75 units per acre, the 18 City of Joliet shows 3.3 units per acre. 19 The areas within the Yorkville 20 School District, part of the theory of the city 21 over the years is as the city grows to try to 22 protect those areas that obviously affect 23 everybody in the area because once -- if it goes 24 some other place, we have no protection. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 98 1 So, again, at this point it's 2 just coming through the system as a request, but, 3 you know, I don't know what would happen if it 4 didn't annex. It may not be part of Yorkville in 5 the future. So I guess that's the best answer I 6 can give you at this time. 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: One more time. 8 MS. KASESKA: Okay. Thank you. 9 Appreciate it. Okay. You are proposing to go 10 from A -1 to R -2. My question is am I going to be I 11 able to still be AG -1? 12 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes. There is no 13 extension to annex your parcel to the city. 14 MS. KASESKA: So I will not -- I 15 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: You will continue 16 to be Kendall County and retain your zoning, 17 unless for whatever reason you request a change 18 or the county proposes a change. 19 MS. KASESKA: Now, I will be 20 unincorporated? 21 MR. PHILIPCHUCK: Yes, yes. 22 MS. KASESKA: And the only other O 23 thing -- You are the mayor? 24 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Yes. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 99 1 MS. KASESKA: Okay. A big question, 2 I'm sure everybody else has, too, is you always 3 read in the newspaper and hear in the TV, all 4 these people are coming, they've got over 1700 5 people coming. 6 How are they going to drink 7 water? Where is the water going to come from? 8 Our aquifers and everything are drying up. I 9 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Actually Yorkville 10 is part of a study group with the county and some 11 other municipalities in the area and looking at 12 the viability of the aquifers, how long they are 13 good for and what's happening. 14 I guess that is still 15 happening; however, one of the things that they 16 are noticing is as some of the communities to the 17 east have now tapped into the Chicago water, they 18 are now not drawing from the aquifers that they 19 were previously, and so there is a whole mix of 20 things that are going on. 21 MS. KASESKA: Okay. I also heard 22 where Lake Michigan is going to start cutting 23 that off. 24 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Well, they can't Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =0030 100 1 add any more, but it already goes as far west as 2 Plainfield, so Plainfield could go up -- 3 Basically our agreement with Plainfield is they 4 could go up to Grove Road, so theoretically I 5 guess Chicago water could go out as far as Grove 6 Road if Plainfield ever went that far west 7 someday. 8 I don't know that they will, 9 but, you know, again, all I can tell you is what 10 our agreements are with them. So we are looking 11 at those things. 12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Maybe 13 you can answer this. Lately, I don't know about 14 your taxes, but mine have gone up considerably, 15 and with all this new infrastructure, who's going 16 to pay for it? You know, every pay raise I've 17 been getting the last couple years goes to 18 Yorkville. 19 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Where do you live, 20 sir? 21 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, 22 I am not in Yorkville, but whatever improvements 23 you have, it goes to there. 24 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay. Well, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 101 1 understand, and we have to be very clear, none of 2 your money comes to Yorkville. 3 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well, 4 it goes to the school system. 5 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Okay. Well, that 6 is a separate district, and that's fine, and we 7 do look at -- again, we do collect fees. We 8 are -- In fact, the City Council is currently I 9 considering a new fee be added on to buildings, 10 where if that passes, it continues on a by permit 11 amount, just to get a permit in the City of 12 Yorkville will be over $30,000. 13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: We 14 can only take so much, you know. I mean, another 15 two years you may be asking for more money, 16 another two years you may be asking for more 17 money. Endless. 18 MR. CROUCH: As a member of the 19 school board, I just want to tell you, I think if 20 you check your tax rate, the tax rate for the 21 last two, three years has gone down for the 22 school district. 23 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: But 24 the amount is -- I still have to pay the same Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 102 1 amount. 2 MR. CROUCH: That would be a 3 reflection on your assessed value. 4 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, 5 it's because land value keeps going up. Well, I 6 can't eat land value, I can't pay the bills with 7 land value. 8 MR. CROUCH: Sir, sir, I understand 9 that. I know you can't sell your property to pay 10 your tax bill. I really do understand that. All 11 I'm pointing out is your tax rate is going down, 12 not up. 13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: All 14 right. Well, it's just a concern. 15 MR. CROUCH: I understand that, and 16 I pay the same taxes, so I understand that real 17 well. 18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. I'm going 19 to end this portion of this public hearing. 20 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Mr. Chairman, can 21 I just ask one thing for the people out here? 22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Please. 23 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Is that we -- Just 24 so you know, the City does work with adjacent Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 103 1 land owners when development comes in, and, Mike, 2 if you recall, I think we were working with the 3 land over on the east side with a development 4 that came in and the land buffered the 5 development, and I would suggest that -- Travis 6 Miller is our community development director, 7 that you would leave your name with him, so that, i 8 you know, again, as development happens, if you 9 want to have some conversation with him for the 10 land owners of the properties that would abut 11 that. Okay? 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. The 13 evening is getting late and we've got a lot of 14 work to do yet. 15 (WHEREUPON, a short 16 recess was taken) 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Item two, 18 PC 2006 -08, Ocean Atlantic Chicago, LLC, 19 petitioners, has filed an application with the 20 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 21 Illinois, requesting an amendment to an 22 Annexation Agreement with regard to modifying I 23 minimum lot area, minimum lot width, minimum side 24 yard, minimum exterior corner side yard, maximum Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 104 I 1 turn - around diameter length and minimum front, 2 side and rear yard setbacks. 3 The real property consists of 4 approximately 130.2 acres at the southeast corner 5 of Beecher Road and Corneils Road in the United 6 City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois. 7 Dan, are you speaking for the 8 petitioner? 9 WHEREUPON: i 10 DANIEL J. KRAMER, 11 having been first duly sworn, testified before 12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 13 MR. KRAMER: I am. Thank you. My 14 name for the record is Daniel J. Kramer. My 15 address is 1107A South Bridge Street, Yorkville, 16 Illinois. I am an attorney licensed to practice 17 law and I represent the petitioners in this 18 matter. 19 This property, as most of you 20 would know from the Plan Commission, we used to 21 refer to as the Rosenwinkel parcel when it was 22 first annexed to the city probably about eight or 23 nine years ago as a manufacturing parcel, and 24 then as the name has changed out in that area and Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =-0030 105 1 Inland took advantage of a floating or flex 2 zoning to change the northern part of Yorkville 3 Business Park on Caledonia, the Rosenwinkel 4 family came in last year, they requested that the 5 city rezone the 130 acres from manufacturing to 6 residential, and, of course, we appreciate that 7 on the city's behalf. 8 Since then the Rosenwinkel I 9 family has sold that property to Ocean Atlantic 10 Chicagoland, which is the petitioner here, and I 11 have with me tonight Pat Hughes from Ocean 12 Atlantic, who would like to take a couple of 13 minutes to talk not only about this particular 14 Rosenwinkel parcel, just for the sake of clarity, 15 but also about the overall plan that Ocean 16 Atlantic has for the area. 17 When we were before you asking 18 for the zoning change, we had told you that it 19 was part of a much, much bigger design to bring a 20 large, upscale golf course community to the city. 21 They have been good for their 22 word and they're doing it, so it actually ties in 23 to the old petition this evening, so if I can 24 have Mr. Hughes. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 106 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 2 WHEREUPON: 3 PAT HUGHES, 4 having been first duly sworn, testified before 5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 6 MR. HUGHES: Thank you. Good 7 evening. As Dan said, I am Pat Hughes. I am 8 vice - president and general counsel of Ocean 9 Atlantic. 10 Along with Dan, I have with me 11 tonight Dave Foreman, who is with Ocean Atlantic 12 as well, as Chris Lannert and Greg Stevens from 13 the Lannert Group, and Kevin Sarafin and Ryan 14 Walters, who are our engineers from Cemcon. 15 As Dan said, I would like to 16 just take a few minutes if I could. As you can 17 see in your packets, we are presenting tonight on 18 what's called Westbury South Village and Westbury 19 East Village, and we have the pleasure tonight to 20 actually unveil for the first time formally what 21 is the overall Westbury development, in which 22 East Village and South Village are component 23 parts, the first two phases in the overall 24 development. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 107 I 1 Okay. If you can look to the 2 left on the board here, this is Westbury. 3 Westbury is an approximately 1200 acre golf 4 course development, of which East Village, which 5 is right here on Route 47 and Galena, and South 6 Village, which we are on public hearing right 7 now, as Dan mentioned, is down here south of 8 Corneils, which is the Tammy and Michael 9 Rosenwinkel piece. 10 A few years back we came in for 11 site plan approval and had approval on the East I 12 Village. At that time we called it the Westbury 13 Village. 14 Thereafter we went through the 15 process of acquiring or putting under contract 16 all this additional property so that we could 17 create the Westbury development, the Westbury 18 golf course development, and I just want to spend 19 a few minutes going through the overall so you 20 all can get a sense of how East Village and South 21 Village, which is up tonight, fits into our 22 entire scheme. 23 This portion here on Route 47 24 is 300 acres, it's called the East Village, and Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 108 1 we put in -- recently put an entry on this plan 2 off of 47 called Westbury Boulevard that runs 3 through and into the middle of our overall 4 development. 5 The overall development 6 consists of five villages: East Village, South 7 Village, what we call Middle Village, North 8 Village, and West Village. I 9 This is the East Village, this 10 is the South Village, this here is the Middle 11 Village, this is the North Village, and this is 12 the West Village. 13 Each individual village will 14 have its own set of parks and amenities. For 15 example, each of the five villages will have its 16 own individual clubhouse just for that portion of 17 the development, and the entire development will 18 have a central clubhouse that will be set inside 19 the Middle Village area. 20 And how we envision is it now 21 is that there will be three buildings. There I 22 will be a golf clubhouse that will be for golf 23 and for a banquet facility that we will locate 24 here in the center next to an overall clubhouse Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =0030 109 i i 1 that can be used by all the residents, which will 2 be probably somewhere around -- if it's one 3 building, 30,000 square feet of space with a 4 variety of pools and other water features and 5 bench areas and trellises and things of that 6 nature, and it will contain a children's 7 recreation area, activity centers inside the 8 buildings for kids and for teens, so that you can 9 get a lot of use centrally for all the use of all 10 the residents, but at the same time keeping in 11 mind that each individual village will have its 12 own smaller building, pool house, and pools in 13 their individual areas. 14 So there will be five or six 15 smaller clubhouses scattered throughout the 16 development, as well as the main clubhouse, which 17 will also include the golf clubhouse. 18 Throughout the center, coming 19 up around the North Village in through here, is 20 an 18 -hole golf course. That golf course is 21 currently being designed by Arthur Hills. 22 I think the course that most of 23 you would be familiar with here is the 24 Bolingbrook Golf Course that Arthur Hills did for Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 110 1 them that opened about two years ago, and the 2 golf course will be managed by Kemper Golf out of 3 Northbrook. They are a well -known national golf 4 management company. 5 So we will have golf that will 6 go through here, going up north towards what is 7 the Schultz and Feltes gravel pit now up to i 8 Galena Road, and in this area here, just on the 9 southwest portion of where the clubhouse will be 10 and the golf clubhouse will be, there will be a 11 practice facility and a driving range for people 12 to come and practice and play, and I think the 13 last time I was before you on a concept plan we 14 mentioned that -- The entire point of this golf 15 course community is for the golf course to be 16 able to be used by, you know, the members and the 17 residents who are members of the golf club, and 18 who can enjoy the course. 19 We want it to be a challenging 20 course, but we also want it to be the type of 21 course that's family- oriented, where kids can 22 learn how to play, and people can use and grow 23 with the game as it goes forward. 24 We think it's going to be Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 111 1 something that's going to be really, really 2 useful for the community, and we think that both 3 the residents both that live in Westbury and 4 around are going to be very excited to have it. 5 I think the other thing they 6 are going to be excited to have is the banquet 7 facility that will be open to members of the 8 development and to members of the club to have I 9 functions there, weddings, Christmas parties, and 10 anything else that they want to have there, and 11 then there will be a restaurant that will be 12 available for people to use that will be in here 13 and overlooking the golf course. 14 Another exciting feature of the 15 overall development -- 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Excuse me, 17 excuse me. 18 MR. HUGHES: Okay. 19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We got the idea. 20 In the essence of time, I don't need all the 21 details. Okay, you are going to have a golf 22 course. 23 Specifically, this public 24 hearing is for the changes you are making to your Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 112 1 South Village. 2 I appreciate the fact how this 3 is all tying together, I think that's very 4 important for us to understand, but I think we 5 have a feel for that. 6 We're not here tonight to 7 approve your golf course concept, we are here 8 tonight for public hearing on the South Village 9 portion. 10 MR. HUGHES: Okay. I appreciate 11 that. I thought it would be important for you to 12 see these things in their context -- 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: It is. 14 MR. HUGHES: -- and get an overall 15 sense of what we are bringing to Yorkville, it's 16 not just an isolated -- 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I think that was 18 important and I'm glad you did it, but now we've 19 got that. Now let's move on to the specific 20 changes to you are asking for for South Village 21 and then to what, East Village is the next one? 22 MR. HUGHES: Yes, East Village is 23 our next one. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 113 1 MR. HUGHES: I will just generally 2 talk about South Village and ask Chris Lannert to 3 come up and talk about the specifics. 4 South Village was Tammy and 5 Michael's piece. It was annexed in August, 6 approved for 475 units by the board. 7 We have a single- family 8 neighborhood here on the east side of the creek. 9 On the west side we have what we are calling an 10 active adult component, which are single- family 11 active adult homes. On the bottom south portion 12 here there is a courtyard product; you are 13 familiar with the rear - loaded garage courtyard 14 product. And to the west is the original 15 garage -in- the -front townhomes. 16 We've got a park and, as I 17 mentioned before, the overall clubhouse sense, 18 we've got a two and a half acre site which will 19 have that local clubhouse will which service just 20 the residents that are located here in our South 21 Village. 22 I think the main point that I 23 want to make is that we are approved for 475 24 units, the plan that we are submitting tonight Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 114 1 for approval is 447 units, so although we have, 2 you know, obviously the legal right to have 3 additional units, we think that this number of 4 units works within the context of what we are 5 trying to achieve, and I think it benefits both 6 the village and our development. 7 For specifics and any other 8 details, I'll let Chris talk about -- Chris I 9 Lannert of the Lannert Group talk about the 10 specifics of the design and what they tried to 11 achieve and incorporating what rights we have in 12 our annexation agreement. 13 WHEREUPON: 14 CHRIS LANNERT, 15 having been first duly sworn, testified before 16 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 17 MR. LANNERT: Since the evening is 18 getting long, I will cut right to the chase. 19 We've obviously got site 20 analysis we have looked at before, you are 21 familiar with the various features. You have 22 seen it a couple of times in the past. 23 This is the concept plan that 24 was approved as part of the annexation which set Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 115 1 the parameters as Pat Hughes just spoke of, and I 2 would just highlight some of the particular 3 features on this particular plan because some of 4 them did change. 5 This plan shows a circulation 6 road coming across the creek and exiting back 7 out. We have since modified that concept through 8 our various staff meetings and consultation with i 9 input. 10 The other thing is we are 11 looking at the single- family conventional family 12 area here and our active adult component on the 13 other side, and obviously as we look back and 14 forth at the school district relationships, we 15 changed them. 16 The placement of our stormwater 17 has basically been the same, and the types of the 18 townhome units and the courthome units, which 19 were part of the concept plan we spoke of 20 earlier, are still consistent with this plan 21 submittal as well. 22 MR. SCHILLINGER: Can I ask you one 23 quick question first? I've heard it referred to 24 as active adult areas. Are you talking about age I i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 116 1 targeted or age restricted? 2 MR. LANNERT: It's probably just 3 going to be age targeted. 4 MR. SCHILLINGER: Thank you. 5 MR. LANNERT: And this is the plan 6 that has been developed and it does reflect the 7 first modification I spoke of. 8 Rather than having this roadway 9 cut across the creek in this location, we enter 10 in off of Corneils Road at this location. It 11 provides ample setback as the entry to our first 12 townhome area, as well as for the active adult 13 area. . I 14 As the road swings down through 15 the project, it accesses the courthome area and 16 then it comes back through the active adult area, 17 exits out back onto the roadway without crossing 18 the creek corridor. 19 Much like we have protected the 20 creek corridor in the East Village through the 21 golf course area, we have a continuous green belt 22 through this area. 23 On the other side of that 24 roadway we have our single- family homes, we have Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 117 1 a four -acre park preserve, which preserves the 2 trees, we have a low lying area, which is 3 identified as existing wetland as well as the 4 proposed stormwater necessary to meet the 5 requirements. 6 The white line that's coming 7 around this area shows the connections of the 8 trail system that we're linking both in terms of 9 South Village and we'll have fingers up into the 10 larger community as a whole. 11 The uses again will be the 12 townhomes in this area, courthomes in this area, 13 active adults in this area. 14 The clubhouse is located at I 15 this location with the paths connecting to it, 16 that's one of the smaller neighborhood 17 clubhouses, and then the single- family on the 18 other side. 19 As Pat pointed out, the numbers 20 of units that we have proposed are 252 21 single- family units. Those are the ones 22 comprised of both the age targeted, as well as 23 the additional single- family. 24 We have 274 townhomes, we have Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 118 1 295 courtyard homes. No, we don't. Wrong sheet. 2 We have 105 active adult 3 single- family lots, we've got 76 single- family 4 lots, 146 townhouse areas, townhouse -- or 146 5 courthome units, 121 townhouse units, for the 6 total of 448, and that's the number Pat did speak 7 of, as opposed to 475, which was approved by the 8 annexation agreement. i 9 In addition to that, we have 10 increased the open space from 28 percent 11 referenced in the original plan to 38 percent 12 shown on this plan, and that's a byproduct of 13 working out the stormwater protection in those 14 corridors. 15 So that's a general overview of 16 the South Village as we are proposing tonight. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Questions 18 from the public? Statements from the public? 19 Yes, ma'am. 20 WHEREUPON: 21 CHI MASON, 22 having been first duly sworn, testified before 23 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 24 MS. MASON: Chi Mason. I have Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 119 1 question. It's not addressed to the developers, 2 but I would like the city to take into account. 3 While hearing all those 4 proposals and all the houses, when are we going 5 to consider community facilities or hospital or 6 when are we going to consider adding fire 7 stations, adding some of the police departments, 8 adding more people into the city? 9 The other thing is how about 10 some of the creative arts? When are we going to 11 have an auditorium for the city? When are we ' 12 going to have a theater for the city? 13 So I think although we need to 14 take into account by adding all those family 15 houses, it's not going to help the city as a 16 whole. Thank you. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank 18 you. Any other comments? 19 MS. McARTHUR: Mr. Chairman? 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes, ma'am. 21 WHEREUPON: 22 JOAN McARTHUR, 23 having been first duly sworn, testified before 24 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: i I Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 120 I 1 MS. McARTHUR: I'm Joan MacArthur. 2 My parents and I own the property -- it would be 3 a little kitty- corner here to the north of 4 Corneils. 5 I don't know if this is the 6 point I should ask for this, but on the 7 Comprehensive Plan that they have with the golf 8 course and with the property that they're 9 developing to the east of me, the property we 10 have is a horse farm, it has been for the last 11 twenty years. 12 Last fall I called Ocean 13 Atlantic and asked if they were going to put up a 14 berm or a fence around the east part or north i 15 part of the property. 16 At this point the gentleman I 17 talked to laughed at me and said, "I will own 18 your property. What are you worried about ?" I 19 said, "Sir, this is our home." He said, "I'm 20 going to own it." I said, "Sir, you will never 21 own it." 22 But what I'm addressing now is 23 since you've got in your contracts I believe that 24 it's a pre- existing farm and that they are coming Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 121 1 to us, I have thoroughbred race horses which I'll 2 have stud colts out there, I've got a racetrack 3 that is paralleling the creek, and that brings up 4 another problem. 5 What I'd like to see if I could 6 ask the city to get a fence around the east side 7 and north side where there is a park and keep 8 children from coming over and getting hurt by the 9 horses. I have been there twenty years. 10 And I asked that of Ocean I 11 Atlantic and they just laughed at me and said you 12 want a fence, put it up yourself. 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Just for 14 clarification for myself, where is your property 15 in relationship to -- 16 MR. KRAMER: Mr. Lindholm -- or 17 Lindblom, I'm sorry, if I can respond to that. 18 She is actually talking about 19 the East Village, the next petition, not this 20 one, but to answer her question, we had one of 21 the Yorkville alderman ask this while we were 22 waiting tonight on the previous proposal whether 23 they would be willing to put the farm -type fence 24 we have put in other cases in the city as a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 122 1 buffer at the back of the farm, and I am somewhat 2 surprised because we indicated we would when we 3 were asked by the alderman. 4 We have done that to block farm 5 animals, put that in where we have put the high 6 tensile fence, which isn't terribly unattractive, 7 difficult for kids to get through, and keeps the 8 livestock in. That can probably shortcircuit 9 that. 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 11 MS. MASON: Mr. Chairman? 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes. 13 MS. MASON: On the creek portion 14 that I saw in this comprehensive, I've got a race 15 track that's right on there, and if there is a 16 golf course coming over there, A, how am I going 17 to keep golf balls off my race track? If I've 18 got a horse worth a hundred thousand that breaks 19 a leg on that, I'm going to be a little upset. 20 How do I keep kids from coming 21 across that creek? Because if I'm running a full 22 head of steam, I can't get out of the way, I hit 23 them, I don't want to be liable for killing a 24 kid. So these are issues that I have. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 123 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Is there any 2 response to that from anybody or -- 3 MR. LANNERT: I think that -- There 4 is a couple of different responses. The creek is 5 a buffer, quote, to her property as well as to 6 the golf course. 7 The creek, that corridor, is 8 heavily wooded. There is a stand of evergreens 9 along the north side of the property, as well as 10 along the east side of the property, which I will 11 point out specifically when we look at the East 12 Village, and then with the addition of those 13 fences, the golf holes are not going to run as 14 envisioned, paralleling the roadway, they are 15 going to kind of come in at an angle, come in 16 this way and go back out that way, come back 17 there, come back through here. 18 So I think there is enough of a 19 buffer and other stormwater requirements that we 20 are going to be doing in this area that she will 21 be well buffered in terms of setback, in terms of 22 existing vegetation, the fences that Mr. Kramer 23 just spoke about, and /or stormwater. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Any other i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 124 1 comments on this, on the south portion? 2 (No Response) 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, I 4 am going to close that part of the public 5 hearing. 6 MR. JONES: So moved. 7 MR. CROUCH: Second. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We don't need a 9 vote. And just for the record, let me read item 10 PC 2006 -09 Ocean Atlantic Chicago, LLC, 11 petitioners, has filed an application with the 12 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 13 Illinois, requesting an amendment to an I 14 Annexation and Planned Unit Development Agreement 15 in regard to modifying the approved Preliminary 16 Planned Unit Development Plan. 17 The real property consists of 18 approximately 300.66 acres on the west side of 19 Route 47, bounded by Galena Road on the north and 20 Corneils Road on the south, in the United City of 21 Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois. 22 MR. KRAMER: Dan Kramer representing 23 the petitioner, and I haven't moved since the 24 last hearing, so it's the same address. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 125 1 Tom this one again, given the g g 2 hour, the good news we can tell you -- and I 3 always like to point this out when Mr. Crouch is 4 a representative of the school board -- on the 5 East Village they are increasing -- the reason we 6 are here tonight, it's annexed, it's zoned, it's 7 platted, but they are asking to amend that plat. 8 They are increasing the I 9 commercial acreage from 2227 to 3381, so we think 10 there is a tremendous benefit to the city in 11 terms of revenue benefits to the school district 12 and all the taxing bodies, and, again, the young 13 lady that testified in the last hearing, the very 14 first one that asked about some of the business 15 facilities you need, some of the recreational 16 facilities you need, we would say that this core 17 business area that Chris is going to explain will 18 expand those types of facilities that are 19 available for health care, recreation and 20 business in the city. 21 There is a resulting reduction 22 in the number of residential units of 37 units in I 23 the single- family and 32 units in the attached 24 project. So, again, the increase in commercial Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 126 1 lowers the approved and platted residential. 2 With that, Chris Lannert would 3 explain the plan itself. 4 MR. Lannert: Again, borrowing from 5 a picture is worth a thousand words, I will just 6 run you through the pictures to keep you familiar 7 in terms of what's happened. 8 This is the approved 9 preliminary plan that we are constructing 10 currently. 11 All of this portion to the 12 south is going along as -is; we have not made any 13 changes to that particular area. 14 The area along the north up 15 here where the Undesser farm is, that's still 16 staying consistent. That has not been modified. 17 The existing school site, the existing park site 18 has not changed, and other than that, everything 19 else has. 20 So this was the approved plan. 21 This is the concept that you reviewed last year 22 and reapproved this in terms of the concept. 23 What has -- And this shows what we are trying to 24 change within the middle. � Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 --0030 127 1 Again, these are all staying 2 the same, the school park stays the same, but the 3 access point to Route 47, with the divided 4 boulevard Mr. Hughes spoke of earlier, will be 5 coming through the whole project to give us the I 6 identity. 7 We go from Route 47 to our 8 commercial clubhouse and core, and then these 9 are -- as Dan just spoke of, we have increased 10 that commercial significantly from what was done I 11 before. 12 The plan, which is specifically 13 before you tonight, would change all of those 14 features and incorporate it into this area. 15 What we do is we have the same 16 courtyard home area that we had on the previous 17 plan, we have the same townhouses that we had in 18 the previous plan, we have two different areas of 19 single- family that we had in the previous plan. 20 There has been an erosion, as 21 Dan just pointed out in terms of the total number 22 of units, there has been conversely increased the 23 number in terms of stormwater. 24 This is the finger where the i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 =-0030 128 1 golf course will slip into this plan, so all of 2 these units will be fronted on water, as well as 3 on our view corridor from Route 47 into and to 4 our golf course. I 5 In terms of the larger detail, 6 if you want to look at this, the guts of what's 7 changed, it's just this portion right here. 8 Townhouses, courthomes, two different types of 9 single- family. 10 Everything else has stayed the 11 same, except the commercial is now larger because 12 we have the advantage we did not have when this 13 was first annexed of a direct access point. This 14 should really impact our commercial viability. 15 That in a nutshell is what we are asking for this 16 evening. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 18 MR. KRAMER: I think maybe one other 19 important feature, as we worked with staff and 20 parks department, we have a way to tie into the 21 regional trail all the way to up Pulte 22 development, so it fits in and provides a missing 23 link all the way back to the city property. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 129 1 you. Questions? 2 MR. SCHILLINGER: Did we have final 3 approval? 4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Oh, no not 5 final. 6 MR. SCHILLINGER: We never had 7 final, so -- 8 MR. KRAMER: Of a previous plan. 9 MR. SCHILLINGER: Okay. But it's 10 just been through the preliminary stages, not 11 final, so there is already -- we have to amend -- 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: What they're 13 asking for on these, as I understand it, is a 14 change to the annexation agreement and 15 preliminary approval. 16 MR. KRAMER: And a new preliminary 17 plat because we are changing it, lowering the 18 density. 19 MR. SCHOPPE: Right, and there was a 20 portion of these that did have a final plat on it 21 that you reviewed. 22 MR. SCHILLINGER: It did have a 23 final? 24 MR. SCHOPPE: Is that neighborhood i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 130 1 six? 2 MR. KRAMER: Pod six. 3 MR. SCHOPPE: Other than that, there 4 has been no single - family plan brought forward. 5 MR. CROUCH: And then remember they 6 came back to us with a golf course, two holes. 7 MR. SCHILLINGER: Right. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Let's just see 9 if there is any more comments, then we will close 10 this, and obviously we are going to come back to 11 it. 12 Any further comments from the 13 public now? Yes, ma'am. 14 MS. MASON: Again, my request is 15 really consider some of the usage of the land. 16 So far we heard one high school. How about an 17 elementary school? How about a middle school? 18 And how about the library? Those facilities. 19 MR. KRAMER: Again, that one I can 20 answer very briefly. We do have an elementary 21 school site that was agreed with Dr. Engler and 22 the school board. We also have a public park 23 besides the various clubhouses. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Any other Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 131 1 comments? 2 (No response) 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, 4 then I would entertain a motion to close the 5 public hearing. 6 MR. JONES: So moved. 7 MS. LUCIETTO: Second. 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: It's been moved 9 and seconded to close the public hearing. 10 Further discussion? 11 (No Response) 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, 13 those in favor signify by saying aye. 14 (A Chorus of Ayes) 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed? 16 (No Response) 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: That portion is 18 closed. 19 (Which were all the 20 proceedings had in 21 the public hearing.) 22 --- 000 - -- 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 132 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) ss: 2 COUNTY OF LASALLE ) 3 4 CHRISTINE M. VITOSH, being first duly 5 sworn, on oath says that she is a Certified 6 Shorthand Reporter doing business in the State of 7 Illinois; 8 That she reported in shorthand the 9 proceedings had at the foregoing public hearing; 10 And that the foregoing is a true and 11 correct transcript of her shorthand notes so 12 taken as aforesaid and contains all the 13 proceedings had at the said public hearing. 14 IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set 15 my a d this _ / 15-6 day of 16 2006. 17 18 19 20 __ _ J – SH -- _ CH RISTINE M. 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besides 130:23 briefly 30:15, 35:8, auditorium 119:11 bad 65:17 best 42:11, 45:17, 35:21, 130:20 August 8:4, 9:15, balance 23:8 46:15, 83:10, 98:5 bring 63:17, 75:1, 11:13, 12:19, 14:2, balls 122:17 better 94:11, 94:11 105:19 113:5 banquet 108:23, big 19:6, 99:1 bringing 112:15 Aux 8:23, 10:6, 111:6 bigger 56:12, 68:20, brings 121:3 10:22, 11:1, 13:18, barricade 48:14 69:5, 88:11, 88:14, broken 10:5 15:2, 15:10, 16:7, barricade -type 49:4 105:19 BROMBEREK 2:16 24:1, 24:6, 25:6, barricades 49:6 bike 13:12, 13:16, brought 6:18, 37:22, 26:7, 37:1, 40:24, barrier 59:5 14:6 130:4 41:7, 61:16, 61:17, based 33:13, 85:21, BILL 2:6, 102:10 budget 71:21, 90:9, 85:23, 86:12 87:23 bills 91:23, 102:6 90:17 availability 41:22, basic 46:20, 46:20 bio- retention 44:9 budgets 90:16 75:16 Basically 8:8, 8:15, bit 12:21, 43:15, buffer 23:5, 48:5, available 39:1, 39:9, 8:17, 9:1, 11:23, 59:12, 69:5, 69:6 55:20, 61:2, 122:1, 82:19, 111:12, 14:1, 15:9, 16:1, blacktop 74:7 123:5, 123:19 125:19 16:5, 19:15, 19:21, block 122:4 buffered 103:4, Avenue 2:17 19:24, 20:12, 20:18, blue 8:19, 73:22, 123:21 avenues 65:12 21:10, 22:18, 28:19, 74:4, 74:8, 92:12, build 43:20, 43:21, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 136 48:2, 56:9 22:19, 26:6, 26:11, 99:17, 100:5, 103:18, 109:17, 110:9, build -out 75:21 28:21, 31:5, 31:5, 124:10 110:10, 113:17, building 48:14, 72:1, 31:8, 33:10, 33:17, Chicagoland 105:10 113:19, 117:14, 109:3, 109:12 37:17, 64:9, 66:10, chief 25:8 127:8 buildings 64:19, 69:17, 70:10 children 71:9, 109:6, clubhouses 109:15, 101:9, 108:21, 109:8 cause 42:18 121:8 117:17, 130:23 built 32:13, 43:6, Cemcon 106:14 choice 84:7 co -exist 84:11 48:18, 75:11, 78:18 Cemetery 16:9, choices 85:2, 85:2 Coalition 41:1, built -in 44:14 16:10, 86:9, 86:15 choose 95:21 41:15, 44:24, 61:17 Burke 5:22, 25:10, Center 8:21, 13:7, Chorus 3:15, 131:14 Cobine 5:2 25:18, 25:21, 25:22 13:8, 18:10, 108:24, chosen 83:11 coefficients 74:11 buses 65:10 109:18 Chris 106:12, 113:2, cognizant 25:6 Business 4:11, centers 109:7 114:8, 114:8, 114:14, collar 63:15 105:3, 125:14, central 76:2, 108:18 125:17, 126:2 collect 44:11, 45:22, 125:17, 125:20, centrally 109:9 CHRISTINE 1:9, 46:6, 101:7 132:8 certain 36:1, 73:15, 132:6, 132:23 collecting 27:2 byproduct 118:12 74:13, 87:13, 94:1, Christmas 111:9 collector 17:24, 94:5 church 11:20 19:15, 32:20, 57:3, certainly 24:20, circulation 115:5 57:3 < C > 49:20, 67:12, 67:21, cities 82:24, 96:6 college 68:16 C.S.R. 1:9, 132:23 72:3, 72:4, 72:18, civil 5:22, 25:12, color 9:3, 10:19, Caledonia 105:3 80:11, 80:12, 86:13, 35:4 10:21 call 16:21, 24:9, 97:11 claim 41:12 colts 121:2 40:18, 57:3, 73:22, Certified 132:7 CLARENCE 2:3 combination 48:21, 74:3, 88:22, 108:7 cetera 38:12, 42:18 clarification 69:15, 71:12, 92:17, 93:1 called 41:7, 54:2, challenging 110:19 88:18, 121:14 comes 9:22, 49:18, 82:19, 88:23, 91:15, chance 31:7, 57:14 clarity 105:14 - 76:4, 78:7, 101:2, 106:18, 107:12, change 12:18, 14:2, Class 41:4, 41:12 103:1, 116:16 107:24, 108:2, 59:6, 98:17, 98:18, classified 31:2 Coming 8:21, 18:4, 120:12 105:2, 105:18, 115:4, classify 9:3 19:15, 31:18, 37:12, calling 113:9 126:24, 127:13, clean 41:19, 42:15, 41:20, 45:12, 45:13, calls 9:1, 17:3 129:14 46:1 68:10, 69:2, 71:6, capacity 29:8 changed 87:6, cleaning 93:11 76:6, 76:20, 80:9, card 67:21 104:24, 115:15, cleansed 44:11 84:17, 85:13, 87:24, care 24:24, 50:14, 126:18, 128:7 clear 101:1 91:1, 91:7, 94:3, 70:3, 71:18, 78:9, changes 10:18, clock 51:8 96:24, 97:11, 98:2, 92:24, 93:4, 125:19 11:13, 111:24, clogging 65:21 99:4, 99:5, 109:18, carried 30:6 112:20, 126:13 close 51:16, 86:4, 115:6, 117:6, 120:24, carry 44:4 changing 129:17 87:5, 124:4, 130:9, 121:8, 122:16, case 20:24, 56:23, charge 80:2 131:4, 131:9 122:20, 127:5 78:4 charged 63:18 closed 131:18 comment 47:6, cases 94:16, 121:24 CHARLES 2:7 closer 55:21 54:22, 56:8, 58:6, category 11:3, 11:5, chase 114:18 closest 21:2 59:23 11:8, 17:1 cheap 72:2, 72:3 club 13:2, 15:2, comments 40:4, Caton 5:11, 8:8, check 101:20 110:17, 111:8 40:14, 44:22, 45:9, 8:16, 8:20, 9:5, 9:9, checked 96:15 clubhouse 108:16, 47:15, 51:6, 58:4, 9:17, 18:11, 19:18, Chi 118:21, 118:24 108:18, 108:22, 62:9, 69:7, 79:19, 19:22, 20:20, 21:1, Chicago 63:15, 108:24, 109:16, 81:18, 96:16, 119:18, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 137 124:1, 130:9, 130:12, 8:18, 8:24, 9:21, considered 41:4, corner 15:16, 53:22, 131:1 10:5, 10:7, 10:12, 57:5, 97:4 103:24, 104:4 commercial 9:4, 11:4, 15:21, 16:2, considering 101:9 corporate 7:7 15:19, 15:22, 16:17, 16:4, 16:8, 16:20, consistent 115:20, correct 52:2, 74:10, 19:18, 19:20, 19:24, 17:3, 17:8, 17:10, 126:16 85:16, 85:18, 132:13 20:16, 20:19, 20:19, 18:7, 18:16, 21:11, consists 4:12, correction 8:23 21:4, 21:6, 21:7, 22:4, 22:14, 22:20, 104:3, 108:6, 124:17 correctly 93:21 21:15, 22:22, 23:3, 24:9, 24:21, 32:19, constraints 29:8 corridor 8:23, 11:1, 29:14, 29:14, 33:7, 55:14, 82:19, 85:20, construct 78:12 12:18, 12:24, 13:18, 34:22, 43:24, 44:1, 86:8, 95:16, 96:1, constructing 126:9 14:6, 15:3, 16:8, 45:21, 70:13, 73:10, 120:7, 122:14 consultant 27:3, 18:4, 23:15, 24:6, 82:17, 92:20, 92:21, comprised 117:22 79:17, 80:9 41:16, 61:2, 74:24, 125:9, 125:24, 127:8, Concept 5:9, 6:18, consultants 82:13 116:18, 116:20, 127:10, 128:11, 45:12, 58:9, 58:10, consultation 115:8 123:7, 128:3 128:14 110:13, 112:7, consulting 47:8, corridors 23:8, common 23:19, 114:23, 115:7, 66:4 23:11, 118:14 91:16 115:19, 126:21, contact 67:18, 67:22 costs 56:20 Commonwealth 126:22 contain 109:6 Cotswold 41:13 38:5 conceptual 36:15, contained 29:6 Council 80:15, 101:8 communities 71:24, 61:19 containing 4:7 counsel 106:8 83:22, 86:24, 97:9, concern 42:5, 43:22, contains 132:14 counties 63:15 99:16 44:18, 53:21, 54:11, contemplated 30:16 counts 29:1 community 9:20, 55:10, 56:2, 87:21, context 112:12, COUNTY 4:3, 4:6, 12:16, 12:20, 13:3, 90:24, 102:14 114:4 4:16, 6:6, 31:6, 31:7, 13:21, 15:4, 23:13, concerned 7:6, 23:1, contiguity 7:7 33:12, 56:10, 63:23, 52:6, 67:11, 69:24, 42:24, 87:4 continue 65:7, 98:15 83:24, 98:16, 98:18, 81:11, 83:14, 84:9, concerns 28:2, continues 101:10 99:10, 103:20, 104:6, 87:3, 91:11, 103:6, 39:16, 51:13, 54:12, continuing 14:13 124:12, 124:21, 105:20, 110:15, 54:17, 55:11, 56:2, continuity 7:9 132:3 111:2, 117:10, 119:5 56:11 continuous 33:18, couple 5:7, 51:24, commute 87:2, 87:9 conclude 34:24 70:9, 116:21 53:3, 76:8, 100:17, commuting 87:9 concur 68:7 contract 107:15 105:12, 114:22, companies 94:12 conditions 6:8, contracted 93:13 123:4 company 93:8, 94:7, 30:17 contracts 120:23 Course 38:13, 110:4 confusion 91:13 control 8:15, 22:17, 39:10, 45:15, 57:18, Compared 89:9 connect 13:21 22:18, 23:22, 34:2, 59:19, 64:15, 71:23, compensatory connected 13:19, 51:1 79:11, 105:6, 105:20, 44:15 17:12 controlled 31:20 107:4, 107:18, complete 11:19 connecting 19:16, conventional 20:5, 109:20, 109:20, compliance 11:11 37:14, 117:15 115:11 109:22, 109:24, complied 22:24 connections 34:13, conversation 103:9 110:2, 110:15, comply 10:10, 74:13 117:7 conversely 127:22 110:15, 110:18, component 21:4, consider 41:23, copies 39:22, 80:2 110:20, 110:21, 38:17, 106:22, 43:12, 62:4, 119:5, copy 40:13 111:13, 111:22, 113:10, 115:12 119:6, 130:15 core 125:16, 127:8 112:7, 116:21, 120:8, components 18:18, considerably 67:9, Corneils 104:5, 122:16, 123:6, 128:1, 20:2, 20:3, 62:21 100:14 107:8, 116:10, 120:4, 128:4, 130:6 Comprehensive consideration 97:5 124:20 court 20:12, 48:8 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 138 courthome 88:22, 116:9 11:11, 13:11, 17:10, 91:13, 92:7, 123:4, 115:18, 116:15, 118:5 cutting 16:9, 99:22 18:15, 20:13, 20:14, 127:18, 128:8 courthomes 117:12, 22:24, 24:9, 82:21, differently 85:13, 128:8 93:20, 94:12, 105:19, 85:21 l courts 20:12 < D > 114:10 difficult 122:7 courtyard 20:8, D- 787706 1:22 designated 73:13 DINA 2:12 113:12, 113:13, daily 41:23 designed 24:21, direct 46:13, 55:2, 118:1, 127:16 Dan 104:7, 106:7, 25:3, 74:10, 93:23, 65:12, 128:13 cover 28:6, 91:15 106:10, 106:15, 94:6, 109:21 direction 13:20, Cowhey 5:22, 35:10 107:7, 124:22, 127:9, designs 84:8, 93:3 18:9, 26:10, 32:22, create 107:17 127:21 desire 12:9, 17:15 33:19, 34:7, 75:13 creative 119:10 Daniel 104:10, detached 66:22 directly 41:2 credit 78:13 104:14 detail 46:17, 49:20, director 63:22, Creek 8:23, 10:6, Dave 106:11 57:22, 128:5 103:6 10:22, 11:1, 13:18, DAVIS 2:6 details 35:6, 47:3, disagree 89:6 15:3, 15:10, 16:8, Dawn 5:22, 25:10, 111:21, 114:8 disagreement 90:14 24:1, 25:6, 26:7, 25:11, 25:18, 25:22, detention 45:19, discharge 38:6 34:19, 37:2, 40:24, 27:2, 35:4, 35:6, 45:21, 92:21 discharges 46:13 42:15, 42:16, 42:18, 35:10, 35:22, 36:16 determine 73:21 discuss 7:13 43:1, 43:3, 43:11, day 132:17 develop 19:8, 27:7, Discussion 3:11, 43:18, 44:6, 44:17, decide 83:2, 87:16 56:15, 63:2, 75:12, 131:10 46:11, 46:13, 54:3, decided 91:24 75:13, 76:12, 96:19 disrespect 94:20 61:2, 61:2, 85:24, decision 64:20, developed 116:6 distance 8:12 113:8, 115:6, 116:9, 64:21 developer 47:11, distances 19:21 116:18, 116:20, deep 52:9, 52:21 76:4, 78:10, 94:20, distribute 24:17 121:3, 122:13, deeper 52:24 96:19 District 4:8, 4:9, 122:21, 123:4, 123:7 Deer 54:2, 54:3 developers 6:24, 4:10, 4:11, 4:11, criteria 87:14 Deere 77:6 25:24, 36:3, 71:13, 11:16, 11:16, 12:9, critical 22:21 definitely 47:2, 50:4 81:7, 119:1 17:14, 26:2, 38:1, cross 88:8 demonstrate 10:10 developing 6:13, 38:23, 64:20, 72:6, cross - section 33:16 dense 24:8 36:10, 71:24, 96:11, 97:20, 101:6, 101:22, crossing 116:17 density 11:5, 16:15, 120:9 115:14, 125:11 Crossings 77:6 16:16, 16:18, 17:6, Developments districts 72:16 CROUCH 2:8, 21:9, 22:7, 22:10, 29:23, 30:12, 32:12, ditch 13:14, 18:4 101:18, 102:2, 102:8, 22:11, 53:7, 53:8, 36:22, 63:1, 71:15, divide 26:17 102:15, 124:7, 125:3, 54:18, 89:3, 89:5, 77:5 divided 127:3 130:5 89:6, 89:7, 89:8, develops 65:6 dividing 10:23 CSR 132:24 89:10, 89:12, 129:18 devices 51:1 documents 39:17 cul -de -sacs 57:20 Department 30:21, diagonal 18:9 dogs 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23:20, gauge 87:23 gravity 26:9, 38:4, hand 3:21, 61:9, 38:18, 49:2, 50:17, gee 87:16 38:7 79:1, 132:17 64:12, 64:16, 64:24, General 4:9, 4:10, grease 44:5 handed 39:17, 40:13 65:9, 65:11, 65:15, 4:11, 63:17, 80:11, great 61:21 handle 70:3 65:16, 69:20, 69:21, 90:15, 90:16, 106:8, greater 54:3 handled 27:8 76:19, 77:4, 89:2, 118:15 green 13:22, 64:16, handling 25:14 89:5, 89:6, 89:10, generally 113:1 73:22, 74:4, 74:8, happen 43:14, 89:12, 122:5, 130:16 generate 12:4 88:8, 92:12, 93:15, 43:19, 44:2, 50:15, highest 83:9 generated 29:16 116:21 82:8, 93:19, 95:1, highlight 35:6, 115:2 generation 29:10 Greg 106:12 95:11, 98:3 Hill 51:19, 51:22, Gentleman 48:2, grew 68:15, 84:12 happened 95:10, 51:22, 51:23, 52:12, 50:6, 61:8, 67:24, gross 16:17, 17:5 126:7 52:16, 53:3, 53:8, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 142 53:12, 53:15, 53:20, huge 91:5 23:18, 23:20, 109:17 33:23, 34:10, 34:18, 53:21, 54:6, 54:10, Hughes 105:11, included 29:13, 79:8 37:15, 65:3, 65:4 56:5, 56:8, 56:13, 105:24, 106:3, 106:6, including 22:7 internally 20:17 57:16, 58:1, 58:5, 106:7, 111:18, incorporate 127:14 intersect 19:17 58:10, 58:13, 58:16, 112:10, 112:14, incorporated 78:23, intersection 5:12, 58:19, 58:20, 59:17, 112:22, 113:1, 115:1, 82:21, 96:17 8:16, 15:13, 15:14, 59:22, 60:2, 60:5, 127:4 incorporating 15:20, 19:18, 19:21, 68:21, 75:23 hundred 23:4, 114:11 20:20, 21:1, 21:2, Hills 109:21, 109:24 122:18 incorporation 84:7 22:19, 30:19, 31:13, hire 71:22, 93:8 hurt 121:8 increase 82:1, 84:3, 31:14, 31:19, 31:20, history 71:23 125:24 31:22, 32:2, 32:4, hit 122:22 increased 14:3, 32:6, 32:14, 33:2, hitter 35:4 < I > 14:15, 54:13, 55:18, 33:5, 33:11 HOA 23:22 idea 65:17, 111:19 118:10, 127:9, intersections 29:1, hold 74:4 identification 38:18 127:22 29:6, 30:7, 33:20, HOLDIMAN 2:3, 3:8 identified 30:8, increasing 125:5, 33:22, 34:1, 34:4, holes 123:13, 130:6 95:16, 117:3 125:8 70:22, 70:24 home 20:13, 127:16 identity 127:6 Indiana 94:8 introduce 7:13, home. 120:19 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Item 3:24, 26:13, 122:18 impacts 86:12 installed 38:12 103:17, 124:9 Horses 67:4, 121:1, impair 25:1 instance 45:12, 65:3 itself 126:3 121:9 implemented 31:1 instances 83:2 hospital 119:5 important 5:11, 8:22, intensity 10:11 hour 1:10, 27:23, 31:9, 33:11, 37:22, intention 36:23 < J > 87:9, 87:9, 125:2 38:17, 41:22, 42:9, interceptor 26:3, J. 104:10, 104:14 hours 72:14 72:3, 112:4, 112:11, 26:4 JACK 2:10 house 53:5, 81:19, 112:18, 128:19 interconnect 87:22, James 94:8 81:19, 109:12 improvements 30:8, 88:6 Jason 35:4, 35:14, houses 53:9, 59:10, 30:16, 34:6, 56:21, interest 41:1, 76:19, 35:16, 46:7 59:11, 61:21, 69:23, 78:11, 91:21, 100:22 77:4 JEN 5:20, 7:13 74:20, 119:4, 119:15 in. 25:16, 42:3, interested 25:16, Jill 81:1, 81:4 housing 14:13,17:6, 71:16, 75:5, 122:8 48:12 Jim 68:3, 68:6 20:9, 66:13, 83:19 include 18:23, internal 12:21, Joan 119:22, 120:1 I Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 143 job 37:8 122:20 lanes 31:15, 31:17, 49:2 John 2:20, 4:20, kill 7:23 31:23, 31:24, 32:5, legislators 90:21 4:24, 5:20, 5:21, killing 122:23 32:15, 32:16, 32:16, length 104:1 7:13, 7:16, 8:5, kind 15:24, 19:7, 32:23, 33:5, 33:6, lengthy 42:6, 44:21 24:12, 24:12, 25:21, 33:24, 35:20, 46:22, 33:14, 33:18, 34:4, less 10:11, 16:22, 26:19, 27:21, 35:19, 62:17, 66:10, 66:19, 69:18, 71:1, 71:1, 24:8, 69:6, 97:16 39:13, 45:8, 47:5, 81:16, 82:14, 84:3, 71:2 lessening 16:13 62:10, 62:24, 63:8, 85:3, 123:15 Lannert 106:12, letter 55:4 66:5, 77:6 kinds 91:19 106:13, 113:2, 114:9, letters 54:24, 78:12 Joliet 95:13, 97:13, kitty- corner 120:3 114:9, 114:14, level 29:7, 49:19, 97:18 KLOA 5:24, 27:4, 114:17, 116:2, 116:5, 62:16 JONES 2:10, 3:9, 28:12 123:3, 126:2, 126:4 liable 122:23 95:5, 124:6, 131:6 knowing 48:13 large 12:11, 13:3, library 130:18 juncture 46:16 KRAMER 104:10, 13:5, 36:18, 43:24, License 132:24 jurisdiction 30:21, 104:13, 104:14, 45:21, 46:8, 64:16, licensed 104:16 78:7 121:16, 123:22, 69:1, 73:12, 105:20 life 41:24 JUSTIN 2:20 124:22, 124:22, larger 9:5, 20:19, lifestyle 62:19, 128:18, 129:8, 53:18, 56:17, 117:10, 83:11, 83:15, 84:7 129:16, 130:2, 128:5, 128:11 light 9:2, 87:15, < K > 130:19 largest 21:4 87:17, 89:7 KASESKA 47:21, KRAUPNER 2:7 LASALLE 63:23, lighter 10:19 47:24, 48:11, 49:1, 132:3 lighting 7:20 49:8, 49:22, 50:5, Last 8:4, 14:22, lights 87:12 50:9, 51:3, 74:18, < L > 17:1, 20:14, 37:6, likely 75:12, 76:3, 74:18, 75:22, 76:10, labelings 91:13 51:10, 63:21, 90:12, 76:9 76:16, 98:8, 98:14, Lady 47:17, 64:2, 100:17, 101:21, likes 83:16 98:19, 98:22, 99:1, 77:14, 79:1, 80:22, 105:4, 110:13, - likewise 49:16 99:21 125:13 120:10, 120:12, limit 50:20 keep 36:24, 69:5, laid 24:23 124:24, 125:13, limits 7:7, 51:2 72:1, 77:12, 88:1, Lake 13:5, 36:18, 126:21 Lindholm 121:16 88:8, 121:7, 122:17, 46:8, 99:22 late 103:13 line 9:16, 10:23, 122:20, 126:6 Land 5:20, 5:21, Lately 77:4, 100:13 17:20, 18:9, 19:13, keeping 15:21, 7:13, 7:14, 8:6, later 43:21 26:18, 55:2, 57:18, 24:17, 69:4, 109:10 24:15, 24:23, 25:1, laughed 120:17, 60:3, 69:4, 86:7, keeps 102:5, 122:7 38:24, 43:13, 46:20, 121:11 117:6 Kemper 110:2 47:9, 48:5, 49:14, Laughter 51:11 lined 49:2 Ken 89:18, 89:21 49:23, 50:3, 57:5, law 5:1, 104:17 lines 86:1 Kendall 4:3, 4:5, 57:6, 64:14, 69:20, lay 62:22 link 128:23 4:15, 4:16, 31:6, 82:16, 82:22, 83:10, layout 57:14 linked 38:9 31:7, 31:9, 98:16, 102:5, 102:6, 102:7, learn 110:22 linking 117:8 103:20, 104:6, 103:1, 103:3, 103:4, least 46:8 Lisbon 28:22, 32:9 124:12, 124:21 103:10, 130:15 leave 43:13, 103:7 literally 86:9 Kennedy 90:10 landscape 23:5 Leder 5:23, 35:10 little 5:7, 12:20, kept 21:17 landscaped 50:2 left 87:11, 93:17, 43:15, 59:12, 62:13, Kevin 106:13 landscaping 48:23, 93:18, 107:2 69:5, 69:6, 83:14, kid 122:24 50:4, 57:8, 57:12 leg 19:11, 122:19 85:20, 97:14, 120:3, kids 50:11, 65:24, lane 32:22, 33:19, legal 96:22, 114:2 122:19 109:8, 110:21, 122:7, 34:6, 34:6 Legion 31:18, 31:20, live 50:14, 51:23, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 144 61:15, 68:8, 81:4, 76:14, 83:14, 96:3, 33:20, 34:5, 37:2, 17:14, 80:8, 80:10, 86:5, 100:19, 111:3 99:11, 100:10, 115:11 37:11, 45:20, 50:17, 80:15, 80:21 lives 41:24 looks 43:24, 49:23, 57:3, 70:19, 88:9 meetings 79:7, 79:9, livestock 66:24, 81:8, 85:2, 86:3, managed 110:2 79:11, 79:14, 79:16, 67:1, 67:3, 67:14, 87:14 management 25:14, 80:12, 115:8 81:12, 81:15, 122:8 lots 14:7, 14:18, 35:9, 36:20, 42:11, MEMBER 40:23, living 84:22 19:2, 49:16, 53:18, 45:17, 46:15, 110:4 61:16, 100:12, LLC 4:1, 103:18, 53:23, 54:8, 54:13, manner 42:1 100:21, 101:3, 124:10 57:18, 57:21, 63:3, manufacturing 101:13, 101:18, load 61:24 68:20, 69:1, 77:8, 104:23, 105:5 101:23, 102:4, local 52:18, 113:19 84:14, 118:3, 118:4 map 85:12, 85:16 102:13 locate 83:23, 86:11, lotting 46:17 Marker 6:18, 75:3 Members 35:20, 108:23 Louie 5:23, 27:3, Martin 5:20, 7:13, 37:20, 39:23, 110:16, located 15:19, 27:3, 27:10, 27:12, 7:16, 7:19, 8:2, 34:8, 110:17, 111:7, 111:8 17:22, 26:5, 26:20, 28:11, 37:7, 70:5 61:1, 61:5, 62:24 mentioned 8:5, 24:7, 28:12, 38:22, 39:2, low 21:19, 42:16, Marty 60:6, 60:10, 26:20, 37:23, 46:7, 51:2, 52:9, 58:22, 89:7, 117:2 60:13, 60:16 53:4, 61:20, 63:22, 64:12, 64:19, 84:23, lower 16:20, 50:20, MASON 118:21, 107:7, 110:14, 113:20, 117:14 92:12 118:24, 118:24, 113:17 location 12:17, lowering 129:17 122:11, 122:13, mentioning 89:22 14:14, 15:14, 16:5, lowers 126:1 130:14 met 12:8, 12:8, 16:10, 18:5, 20:6, LUCIETTO 2:5, matter 1:8, 84:21, 16:10, 39:4, 87:19 23:6, 23:14, 26:11, 27:20, 131:7 94:21, 104:18 metro 83:20 35:22, 42:23, 75:7, Lutheran 11:20 maximum 103:24 Michael 2:8, 51:19; 75:9, 87:15, 116:9, lying 117:2 MAYOR 45:2, 63:8, 51:22,107:8, 113:5 116:10,117:15 63:11, 90:7, 95:6, Michelle 77:16, locations 46:4 95:7, 96:12, 98:23, 77:19, 94:19 logical 57:5, 96:4, < M > 98:24, 99:9, 99:24, Michigan 99:22 97:6 M. 1:9,132:6, 132:23 100:19,100:24, Mid 8:23, 13:18, logs 52:20 ma'am 74:17, 77:14, 101:5,102:20, 15:2, 15:10, 24:1, long 77:23, 82:5, 118:19,119:20, 102:23 24:6, 34:5, 41:7, 88:9, 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63:12, 78:9, 78:14, 91:16 97:1, 117:4 minimum 14:3, 63:21, 63:23, 70:23, major 11:13, 14:1, MEETING 1:2,1:7, 14:10,15:7, 23:5, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 145 53:17, 53:18, 55:6, municipalities 99:11 14:8, 14:10, 14:19, note 37:9 55:7, 89:14, 103:23, municipality 91:14 14:23, 14:24, 15:6, notes 132:13 103:23, 103:23, myself 121:14 18:14, 18:20, 19:12, Nothing 34:5, 34:5, 103:24, 104:1 23:6, 29:11, 29:17, 72:2 minor 34:4 33:1, 33:8, 34:13, notice 5:17, 59:14, minutes 51:10, < N > 34:18, 37:15, 76:1, 59:14, 59:15, 59:20, 87:10, 91:2, 105:13, name 4:24, 25:22, 76:8 80:20 106:16, 107:19 28:10, 47:18, 51:22, neighbors 54:12, noticing 99:16 missing 94:24, 60:11, 61:14, 64:8, 54:21, 55:11, 56:2 notified 55:7, 55:9, 128:22 68:6, 68:22, 73:6, network 27:6, 29:4, 79:9 mix 99:19 76:22, 80:6, 92:11, 29:18, 65:7 Number 4:1, 30:8, modification 116:7 103:7, 104:14, New 10:2, 38:13, 48:3, 53:11, 65:19, modified 115:7, 104:24 38:14, 38:18, 54:2, 69:19, 69:22, 80:6, 126:16 namely 29:23 78:17, 92:7, 94:8, 83:19, 114:3, 118:6, modifying 103:22, Naperville 2:18, 5:3, 100:15, 101:9, 125:22, 127:21, 124:15 68:14, 84:13 129:16 127:23 moment 80:10 narrow 33:19 newer 49:1 numbers 117:19 money 101:2, national 110:3 news 125:2 numerous 67:20 101:15,101:17 natural 24:4, 41:6 newspaper 59:19, nursery 94:8 monitor 92:14 naturalized 36:21 99:3 nutshell 128:15 Montgomery 95:13 nature 36:24, 109:6 Next 14:17, 15:4, morning 29:2, 91:2 near 26:11, 41:13 21:15, 26:13, 32:6, mornings 80:16 necessarily 75:24 36:14, 37:12, 64:2, < O > mostly 34:1 necessary 40:2, 81:14, 108:24, oath 132:7 mother 65:15 78:10, 117:4 112:21, 112:23, obtain 7:7 Motion 3:6, 3:11, necessitating 70:15 121:19 Obviously 9:5, 3:18, 131:4 need 7:5, 30:9, nice 68:12, 68:1 2, 11:17, 17:6, 22:15, motor 20:11 31:23, 33:13, 33:24, 77:5, 81:8, 87:17 23:12, 30:20, 32:10, move 70:11, 70:17, 34:3, 40:13, 42:10, NIJIM 35:4, 35:16, 37:1, 39:6, 55:5, 72:11, 72:20, 83:5, 42:13, 43:12, 50:19, 35:19 55:17, 55:21, 56:8, 83:6, 83:8, 87:21, 65:20, 82 :15, 111:20, nine 104:23 62:22, 67:11, 80:19, 88:5, 112:19 119:13, 124:8, No. 52:3, 72:2, 82:7, 83:8, 86:10, Moved 3:8, 3:10, 125:15, 125:16 78:24, 132:24 95:21, 96:15, 97:22, 54:20, 68:7, 68:12, needed 31:22, 37:5, node 9:4, 9:5 114:2, 114:19, 68:17, 124:6, 124:23, 38:3, 77:9 nodes 23:4, 82:17 115:13, 130:10 131:6, 131:8 needs 30:10, 30:11, noise 72:14 occasional 72:13 moving 67:8, 88:1, 36:6, 55:7, 65:20, none 3:13, 101:1, occasionally 73:22 89:23 94:22, 97:3 124:3, 131:3, 131:12 occasions 67:21 mow 83:16 negative 94:24 normal 44:10, 72:12 occur 30:3 MPI 5:5, 6:13, 7:1, neighbor 55:3 north /south 8:13, Ocean 103:18, 25:23, 35:5 neighborhood 10:1, 13:20, 14:6, 18:12, 105:9, 105:11, mud 93:17 14:8, 15:4, 15:19, 30:20 105:15, 106:8, multi - family 20:15, 15:22, 16:24, 17:23, Northbrook 110:3 106:11, 120:12, 56:1 19:1, 19:4, 20:15, northerly 32:2 121:10, 124:10 multi -lane 70:21 48:3, 48:12, 59:9, northern 12:10, of- sight -of 55:2 multiple 31:15 89:13, 113:8, 117:16, 32:3, 55:15, 75:11, offer 62:12, 62:20 municipal 52:4, 129:24 105:2 offices 5:2 52:7, 52:23 neighborhoods northwest 53:22 oil 44:5 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 146 old 68:12, 68:13, overlap 97:12 105:2, 105:19, 17:4, 18:6, 32:19, 68:16, 105:23 overlooking 111:13 114:24, 115:19, 74:11, 97:16, 97:17, once 5:7, 30:16, overlooks 59:3 120:14, 120:15, 97:18 31:6, 31:22, 32:7, oversizing 36:12 124:4 percent 23:23, 36:1, 32:15, 33:3, 33:9, overview 118:15 particular 9:24, 36:16, 118:10, 118:11 97:23 own 43:7, 108:14, 42:4, 42:19, 44:17, performed 28:14 one -acre 53:24, 108:16, 109:12, 45:11, 46:5, 46:18, perhaps 41:3, 48:22, 84:14, 89:14 120:2, 120:17, 80:9, 87:15, 92:15, 48:23 One - family 4:8 120:20, 120:21 97:10, 105:13, 115:2, period 66:7, 77:9, one. 112:23 owner 92:19, 95:8 115:3, 126:13 78:14, 94:1 ones 78:18, 117:21 owners 69:3, 83:2, parties 111:9 periods 29:2 open 13:3, 13:10, 83:8, 103:1, 103:10 partner 5:1 permanent 74:1 16:23, 17:9, 17:11, parts 106:23 permit 101:10, 18:8, 18:12, 18:16, pass 45:6 101:11 19:13, 23:8, 23:14, < P > passes 3:18, 101:10 person 67:17, 87:8 23:18, 23:19, 23:21, P.M. 1:10 past 19:17, 114:22 personal 59:23, 23:24, 38:21, 61:5, pace 94:3 Pat 105:11, 106:3, 62:17 73:14, 83:3, 88:1, packet 72:9 106:7, 115:1, 117:19, petition 105:23, 91:16, 111:7, 118:10 packets 106:17 118:6 121:19 opened 110:1 pan 57:21 path 14:6 petitioner 4:18, operation 29:7, paralleling 121:3, paths 117:15 27:24, 104:8, 105:10, 72:15 123:14 patient 57:23 124:23 opinion 21:23 parameters 115:1 patterns 27:9 petitioners 4:2, opportunity 45:16 parcel 8:19, 9:15, Patty 85:8, 85:11 103:19, 104:17, Opposed 3:16, 49:17, 56:12, 84:24, Paul 35:10, 40:8, 124:11 118:7, 131:15 98:13, 104:21, 40:14, 40:20, 45:11, phases 106:23 opposite 6:19, 44:9, 104:23, 105:14 45:17, 45:20 - physically 64:18 68:1 parcels 7:1, 21:6, pay 100:16, 100:16, pick 88:7 options 83:20 70:13 101:24, 102:6, 102:9, picking 76:7 order 27:7, 74:21 parents 120:2 102:16 picture 126:5 ordinance 6:3, 6:9 Park 9:20, 12:7, paying 71:14 pictures 46:21, ordinances 74:12 12:9, 12:9, 12:12, payment 91:22 126:6 original 113:14, 12:16, 12:20, 13:3, pays 69:20, 71:5, piece 8:14, 9:9, 9:10, 118:11 13:21, 15:4, 17:14, 77:23 107:9, 113:5 others 46:9, 83:13 17:18, 17:22, 23:13, PC 4:1, 103:18, pinch 35:3 ought 69:5 23:22, 39:2, 39:4, 124:10 pink 16:7 ourselves 92:6 105:3, 113:16, 117:1, peacefully 84:11 pinkish 9:3 outlined 5:17, 6:2, 121:7, 126:17, 127:2, peak 29:2 pipe 38:15, 46:13, 6:8, 8:18, 17:9, 130:22 People 47:16, 54:24, 75:7 45:18, 78:11 parks 17:13, 17:15, 55:1, 65:23, 67:5, pipeline 60:18 overall 13:22, 16:15, 108:14, 128:20 83:23, 84:17, 85:1, pit 110:7 16:16, 22:5, 22:7, part 13:13, 13:17, 87:1, 87:3, 87:11, place 38:20, 58:14, 53:4, 53:6, 89:7, 14:14, 23:9, 28:19, 90:4, 91:6, 96:15, 97:24 89:13, 105:15, 29:15, 32:3, 44:13, 96:24, 99:4, 99:5, placed 12:22 106:21, 106:23, 61:5, 68:19, 72:8, 102:21, 110:11, placement 115:16 107:19, 108:3, 108:5, 72:10, 73:9, 83:24, 110:22, 111:12, 119:8 Plainfield 100:2, 108:24, 111:15, 86:9, 88:20, 90:23, Per 9:21, 10:5, 11:4, 100:2, 100:3, 100:6 112:14, 113:17 97:20, 98:4, 99:10, 11:6, 11:10, 13:11, Planned 4:7, 6:10, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 147 29:15, 45:13, 74:24, 125:3, 127:3, 128:13 presentation 35:1, 46:22, 63:2, 88:22, 124:14, 124:16 pointed 21:18, 86:2, 46:22 88:23, 88:24, 113:12, planners 47:9 117:19, 127:21 presented 5:21, 9:8, 113:14 Planning 37:21, pointer 58:17 9:15 products 24:16, 55:22, 79:11, 80:15, pointing 102:11 presenting 6:1, 81:8, 62:21 80:16, 82:13, 97:12 points 7:10, 20:1, 106:17 program 22:2, 23:19 Plano 95:12 20:24, 22:20, 44:20, preserve 117:1 project 25:12, 26:5, plans 43:11, 63:9, 69:15 preserved 24:3 33:16, 36:24, 62:12, 69:22, 74:13, 75:3, police 50:24, 119:7 preserves 117:1 90:19, 95:2, 116:15, 79:16, 79:21, 89:23 pond 58:21, 73:19 preserving 23:17 125:24, 127:5 plant 38:7, 73:15 pool 109:12 pressure 26:15, projected 33:13, planted 73:15 pools 109:4, 109:12 26:16, 36:5, 38:10, 70:8 plants 45:22, 45:23, popular 20:10 38:11, 38:16 projecting 32:21, 46:10, 93:9, 93:16, population 12:4, Prethour 69:11, 33:4 93:16, 93:17, 93:22, 54:17 69:14, 69:14 projections 31:10 94:1, 94:6 porches 20:11 pretty 37:7, 49:12, projects 62:15 plat 125:7, 129:17, portion 10:20, 18:10, 59:2, 61:23, 76:12 prominent 38:19 129:20 26:11, 51:16, 75:12, previous 6:20, promise 80:7 plats 72:10 76:2, 88:13, 102:19, 121:22, 127:16, promote 71:10 platted 125:7, 126:1 107:23, 108:16, 127:18, 127:19, properties 19:20, play 110:12, 110:22 110:9, 112:9, 113:11, 129:8 19:24, 24:18, 36:12, Please 3:21, 45:7, 122:13, 124:1, previously 99:19 36:13, 48:13, 48:16, 47:17, 47:18, 47:19, 126:11, 128:7, primary 79:18 83:9, 103:10 47:19, 58:17, 60:11, 129:20, 131:17 prior 5:7 proponents 25:8 64:3, 76:22, 80:23, position 38:22, private 13:1, 79:13 proportional 54:14 85:6, 89:16, 92:10, 41:14, 44:23 probably 27:22, proposal 5:6, 7:2, 102:22 possible 28:1, 37:7, 50:2, 58:21, 24:8, 42:5, 69:16, pleased 6:15 42:16, 75:9 58:23, 67:6, 67:8, 93:16, 121:22 pleasure 106:19 possibly 57:12 73:24, 74:3, 75:19, proposals 119:4 plus 16:8, 32:22, post 21:7 76:15, 80:13, 81:5, proposed 12:1, 12:1, 33:5, 33:5, 48:8, potential 21:3, 90:4, 104:22, 109:2, 12:17, 12:23, 13:2, 53:24, 57:13 22:22, 52:17 116:2, 122:8 13:6, 13:15, 15:13, POCIUS 40:8, 40:9, practicality 76:6 problem 50:18, 17:24, 22:16, 26:20, 40:9, 40:11, 40:11, Practically 75:18 94:16, 121:4 29:10, 29:19, 37:9, 40:12, 40:15, 40:20, practice 104:16, proceed 47:1 50:16, 86:23, 117:4, 40:23, 68:24 110:11, 110:12 proceeding 44:21 117:20 Pod 130:2 practices 42:11, PROCEEDINGS 1:7, proposes 98:18 podium 47:19, 68:1, 45:17, 46:15, 72:13 3:2, 40:1, 131:20, proposing 13:7, 68:1 pre- existing 120:24 132:11, 132:15 46:21, 49:15, 70:7, poin 8:24 prefer 49:12, 49:20 process 47:8, 78:16, 70:21, 85:18, 88:18, Point 41:11, 42:14, preference 55:19, 96:14, 97:5, 107:15 98:9, 118:16 43:1, 49:2, 60:22, 62:18 PROCHASKA 45:2, protect 41:1, 97:22 62:8, 67:13, 68:18, preferred 61:21 63:11, 90:7, 95:7, protected 41:16, 69:6, 73:20, 88:17, Preliminary 45:14, 96:12, 98:24, 99:9, 42:1, 116:19 93:6, 95:18, 95:24, 58:8, 58:11, 67:12, 99:24, 100:19, protection 67:1, 97:8, 98:1, 110:14, 124:15, 126:9, 100:24, 101:5, 67:5, 81:15, 97:24, 113:22, 120:6, 129:10, 129:15, 102:20, 102:23 118:13 120:16, 123:11, 129:16 product 24:24, provide 18:19, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 148 I 23:14, 33:9, 36:4, 41:10, 41:21, 41:24, realignment 16:12 relationships 115:14 36:8, 83:19 72:4 reality 86:4 remaining 33:22 provided 11:14, quarter 51:9, 54:8, really 59:3, 102:10, remember 130:5 16:5, 17:11, 17:13, 54:16, 82:3 111:1, 111:1, 128:14, remind 45:10 17:19, 23:4, 36:17 question 43:8, 44:1, 130:15 repeat 3:21 provides 32:2, 61:18, 62:5, 64:11, reanalyzed 30:7 repeating 77:12, 36:22, 116:11, 66:9, 71:5, 72:22, reapproved 126:22 92:6 128:22 85:12, 89:22, 91:10, rear 20:11, 104:2 REPORT 1:7, 28:16 providing 15:22, 98:10, 99:1, 115:23, rear - loaded 20:8, reported 132:10 17:8, 18:7, 18:11, 119:1, 121:20 113:13 reported. 3:4 23:12, 34:9, 70:24 Questions 28:2, reason 16:6, 70:10, Reporter 39:24, proximity 70:12, 35:12, 35:14, 39:10, 70:11, 98:17, 125:5 48:9, 132:8 87:5 39:16, 47:15, 47:15, reasonable 86:17 represent 104:17 public 3:7, 3:20, 48:1, 51:13, 51:24, reasons 54:20 representative 39:8, 39:11, 39:16, 53:4, 77:11, 118:17, recall 103:2 125:4 51:16, 54:23, 55:5, 129:1 received 40:8 representing 5:5, 56:16, 62:5, 62:7, Quick 60:9, 76:12, recently 6:17, 12:8, 124:22 63:7, 63:9, 71:10, 89:21, 115:23 82:13, 108:1 represents 9:14, 71:11, 79:12, 79:24, quite 8:12, 41:5, recess 26:24, 10:20, 10:21, 10:24 102:19, 107:6, 41:5, 42:6 103:16 reproduce 80:3 111:23, 112:8, quote 123:5 recognizing 72:10 request 59:11, 95:9, 118:18, 118:18, recommendations 98:2, 98:17, 130:14 124:4, 130:13, 31:8, 79:20 requested 105:4 130:22, 131:5, 131:9, < R > recommended requesting 4:4, 131:21, 132:11, R -2 4:7, 4:8, 98:10 30:23 103:21, 124:13 132:15 R -3 4:9 record 39:24, 60:11, require 11:10, 32:4, publish 59:19 R -4 4:10 72:10, 79:24, 88:11, 56:11, 78:12, 78:22, Pulte 128:21 race 121:1, 122:14, 104:14, 124:9 91:14 pump 38:2 122:17 recreation 109:7, required 59:20, purpose 44:12 racetrack 121:2 125:19 96:23 purposes 38:16 raise 3:21, 67:4, recreational 125:15 requirement 12:5, push 86:14 100:16 reducing 38:11 55:7, 59:14 put 42:10, 50:16, raises 35:13, 94:9 reduction 125:21 requirements 37:4, 55:14, 68:22, 72:18, ran 86:9 refer 104:21 71:14, 117:5, 123:19 78:12, 82:18, 87:17, range 11:5, 21:11, referenced 118:11 requires 63:18 90:8, 90:18, 93:16, 21:19, 22:12, 22:13, referendum 71:6 Reserve 6:14, 13:8 93:22, 96:24, 108:1, 22:13, 110:11 referred 115:23 reservoir 52:10 108:1, 120:13, rapid 94:3 reflect 116:6 Residence 4:8, 4:9, 121:12, 121:23, rate 101:20, 101:20, reflection 102:3 4:10, 4:10 121:24, 122:5, 122:5 102:11 regard 6:3, 33:15, Residences 25:2, putting 19:11, 46:24, rates 76:20, 77:4 103:22, 124:15 34:21, 48:21, 49:17 49:3, 107:15 Rather 83:3, 116:8 region 22:21 resident 54:11, 71:8 reaches 46:11 regional 13:17, 30:5, residential 16:18, read 5:17, 40:3, 31:3, 63:14, 128:21 17:5, 29:12, 33:7, < Q > 99:3, 124:9 regulations 74:14 49:15, 66:18, 66:20, quadrant 10:1 real 4:12, 60:8, 81:8, relate 61:19 92:18, 92:24, 105:6, quaint 68:13 102:16, 104:3, relationship 56:19, 125:22, 126:1 quality 24:5, 25:7, 124:17 62:23, 121:15 residents 52:18, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 149 72:20, 96:15, 109:1, 29:18, 31:11, 32:22, safety 37:14, 65:22 selling 77:7, 91:21 109:10, 110:17, 33:17, 37:11, 70:9, sake 105:14 send 59:21 111:3, 113:20 70:16, 70:22, 78:7, SANDRA 2:4 sense 16:13, 21:16, resource 41:6 116:8, 116:17, Sanitary 25:23, 26:2, 22:1, 36:4, 95:21, respect 54:23, 116:24, 123:14 26:8, 26:21, 38:1, 107:20, 112:15, 55:15, 58:6, 58:15 roadways 7:10, 52:8 113:17 respectfully 89:5 34:18, 37:7, 37:16, Sarafin 106:13 sensitive 24:15, respond 121:17 65:3 satisfy 6:2, 6:8 94:14 Response 3:12, Rockford 63:24 saw 6:18, 46:21, sensors 88:7 3:17, 51:14, 123:2, Ron 51:23, 53:21, 122:14 separate 50:3, 101:6 124:2, 131:2, 131:11, 58:16, 58:20, 68:21, saying 3:14, 35:22, separates 57:4 131:16 75:23 83:8, 84:6, 131:13 separation 9:1, responses 123:4 rooftops 74:7 says 132:7 48:15 responsibility 32:10, Rose 39:19, 64:5, scales 86:1 septic 56:10 71:18, 78:20 64:8 scattered 109:15 serve 7:8, 36:6 responsible 77:21, Rosemont 28:13 scheduled 80:15 served 52:2 78:9 Rosenwinkel scheme 107:22 serves 63:15 restaurant 111:11 104:21, 105:3, 105:8, SCHILLINGER 2:9, service 36:11, restricted 116:1 105:14, 107:9 115:22, 116:4, 129:2, 113:19 result 30:3, 72:13, row 61:9, 64:3, 92:6 129:6, 129:9, 129:22, serving 38:19 82:18 RTA 63:12 130:7 set 14:12, 19:21, resulting 125:21 run 41:18, 42:15, schoolers 65:15 42:7, 108:14, 108:18, retain 98:16 60:24, 60:24, 71:22, schools 72:1, 91:1 114:24, 132:16 retention 36:18, 74:11, 77:23, 123:13, SCHOPPE 2:11, setback 116:11, 36:18, 58:21, 73:10, 126:6 129:19, 129:24, 123:21 73:19 run -off 42:12, 45:24, 130:3 setbacks 104:2 returned 24:4 73:13 Schultz 110:7 - setting 19:7, 19:9, revenue 125:11 running 18:9, 36:11, SCHWARTZ 60:8, 89:11 review 28:18, 31:7, 122:21 60:13, 60:16, 60:17, settings 56:15 74:12 runs 8:12, 41:7, 60:23, 61:7 several 25:24, 46:4, reviewed 30:24, 41:14, 42:6, 44:2, scour 42:17 54:20, 87:3, 95:7 47:12, 126:21, 108:2 screen 59:8, 59:8 Seward 61:15 129:21 rural -type 36:24 screening 57:8 sewer 25:23, 26:8, reviewers 79:18 rush 96:8 secon 37:9 26:9, 52:8, 56:16, revised 37:21 rushed 96:13 Second 3:9,19:2, 79:8 rezone 105:5 rushing 96:9 40:7, 62:5, 124:7, sewers 26:3, 26:4 rezoning 4:5 Ryan 106:13 131:7 shape 19:23, 20:23 Richard 6:18, 75:3 seconded 3:11, sheet 45:4, 45:6, right -of -way 57:4, 131:9 118:1 57:9 < S > section 12:10, 33:8 Shobert 85:8, 85:11, right -to -farm 72:8 SA 91:11 sedimentation 42:18 85:11 rights 114:11 Sable 8:23, 10:6, seeing 95:11 short 26:23, 103:15 roads 7:9, 24:19, 10:22, 11:1, 13:18, seem 43:17 shortcircuit 122:8 24:20, 33:6, 34:11, 15:2, 15:10, 16:8, seems 89:10 Shorthand 132:8, 50:6, 65:4, 70:14, 24:1, 24:6, 25:6, seen 33:3, 93:15, 132:10, 132:13 70:19, 70:20, 78:2, 26:7, 37:1, 40:24, 114:22 show 12:13, 52:20 78:18, 87:10 41:7, 61:16, 61:17, selected 54:24 showed 5:8, 9:20, roadway 29:4, 85:23, 86:12 sell 83:4, 102:9 85:12, 85:20 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 March 8, 2006 150 showing 11:16, 21:18, 29:13, 49:16, someplace 55:18 sprawled 68:17 11:24, 15:12, 74:3, 49:17, 53:1, 55:16, Sometimes 80:10, spur 80:10 75:9 66:21, 88:24, 113:7, 83:4, 92:20, 92:24 square 14:3, 14:7, shown 10:12, 11:15, 113:10, 115:11, somewhat 122:1 14:10, 14:18, 14:19, 16:12, 71:23, 73:24, 116:24, 117:17, somewhere 9:11, 14:24, 15:3, 15:5, 118:12 117:21, 117:23, 75:8, 109:2 19:2, 54:4, 55:19, shows 12:16,16:4, 118:3, 118:3, 125:23, soon 90:20 109:3 25:23, 42:8, 97:15, 127:19, 128:9, 130:4 sorry 26:21, 26:22, SRA 31:10 97:18, 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