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UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE ON:
PLAN COMNHSSION
YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
WEDNESDAY, JULY 12, 2006
Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Charles Kraupner, Clarence Holdiman, Anne Lucietto, Sandra Adams,
Brian Schillinger, Jack Jones and Tom Lindblom. Member absent: Bill Davis and
Michael Crouch.
A quorum was established.
CITY STAFF AND GUESTS
Mayor Art Prochaska; City Attorney John Wyeth; Community Development Director
Travis Miller; City Administrator John Crois; Alderman Jim Bock; Lynn Dubajic,
YEDC; consulting engineer Bill Dunn, Engineering Enterprises, Inc.; Pete Huinker,
Smith Engineering; Richard Filler and Jim Snyder; with Harlem Irving Companies;
attorney Kelly Kramer; Ted Lundquist, SEC Planning; and attorney Patti Bernhard. Also,
see attached sign -in sheet.
MINUTES
Anne Lucietto moved to accept the minutes from the Feb. 8, 2006 meeting. Sandra
Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Lucietto moved to accept the minutes from the March 8, 2006 meeting. Adams seconded
the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Lucietto moved to accept the minutes from the April 26, 2006 meeting. Adams seconded
the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Jack Jones made a motion to open the public hearings. Charles Kraupner seconded the
motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Chairman Tom Lindblom swore in those who intended to speak at the hearing.
1. PC 2006 -34 Cannonball LLC, Harlem Irving Companies and Cooper Home
Furnishings, petitioners, have filed an application with the city to rezone from A -1
Agricultural District to PUD zoning to allow uses permitted in the B -3 Service Business
District, R -2 One Family Residence District, and R -3 General Residence District. The
real property consists of approximately 193 acres located on the northwest corner of U.S.
34 and Cannonball Trail.
See attached.
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Lucietto made a motion to close the public hearing at 8:45 p.m. Jones seconded the
motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Lindblom suggested the Plan Commission talk about the concerns that were brought up at
the public hearing. First he addressed the issue of water runoff.
Bill Dunn, consulting engineer with EEI, said he's done some preliminary reviews and
has asked for information from the petitioner. The developer on the south side of Route
34 plans to carry water the excess water to the Fox River.
Pete Huinker, Smith Engineering, said concerns raised the public hearing regarded
flooding that occurred after previous storms. There are some pocketed areas in the
existing topography of the land. Adding those existing areas of depression with the
detention requirements, the volume is double what the standard requirements would be.
Lindblom had questions about preliminary plans submitted. There's a significant
difference in the single - family and multi - family housing areas of the plans dated 4/18/06
and the plans dated 5/18/06. He said he has some concerns with the way the multi - family
housing is laid out.
Jim Synder, project manager with Harlem Irving Companies, said the plan in the packet
is the updated site plan created after talking with city staff.
Community Development Director Travis Miller said the concept PUD plan dated May
26 is what the commission is asked to vote on.
Looking at that plan, Lindblom said he has a problem with access to all of the multi-
family housing. Snyder said a second entrance could be added to the right of the
detention pond. He said it should be noted that the cul -de -sac would exit out to Beecher
Road.
Brian Schillinger wanted to know if the transition to the townhome issue has been
resolved. Filler said it has been.
Lindblom said another issue to consider is a higher berm along Cannonball Trail. Jones
said Cannonball Trail has been here for a long time, but overall this plan is a good plan.
He'd like to see the residents and the developer work out a solution.
Also, Jones said that the residents along Cannonball don't want to see it widened. Yet, if
the road were to be widened, it would alleviate some of the traffic.
Going over the staff report, Miller said the city's PUD ordinance was revised in May.
Now, the concept PUD is treated like a zoning map amendment. The densities identified
on the concept plan would be locked in. The developer could shift densities within the
plan, but not the overall density.
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Miller then went over the comments in his report. The concept PUD plan includes a
narrative description of the PUD, he said. Staff reviewed it and felt it was appropriate.
The developer also submitted architectural drawings for all buildings including typical
elevations and building materials, Miller said.
The preliminary PUD plan, which includes preliminary engineering for wetlands and
traffic were not part of the packet, he said. The preliminary plat is in the packet.
He said the property currently is zoning A -1. Based on the mix of land uses proposed for
the property, the PUD zoning classification would be appropriate.
Meanwhile, Miller said the proposed uses in the plan substantially comply with the
recommendations of the Comprehensive Plan. The Comprehensive Plan Use for the area
recommends an approximately'/ mile wide commercial corridor along Route 34 and the
remaining portion to the north Suburban Neighborhood with a small park/open space.
The Comprehensive Plan also recommends Beecher Road to cross the western portion of
this property. That is depicted in the plans submitted.
The PUD Concept Plan is a little bit confusing on density, Miller said. The total proposed
number of residential units is 192 (28 single - family detached and 164 townhomes).
Factoring in the 7.67 -acre park dedication and the 8.36 -acre dedication for the police
station, the gross density is at 3.87 units per acre. The density exceeds the
Comprehensive Plan recommendation for a suburban density by -1.62 units per acre.
Miller said the staff recommendation is to permit a transitional use for the proposed
residential area with a maximum density of 3.5 units per acre.
Another issue is the Lot 51 is limited to one point of ingress and egress. Staff
recommends the plan incorporate additional means.
The townhomes in Lot 52 are depicted at 50 feet from front to front. That's a little close,
Miller said. Staff recommends additional community park space at %2 space per unit to
allow for additional parking.
He also referred to the EEI engineering report. He said it's rather technical. However, he
said there's a high comfort level from the staff that all of the issues would be resolved.
Lindblom said he has a couple of issues. He's concerned about safety. He's not sure if
widening Cannonball Trail would be better or worse regarding traffic and safety. Either
way, he said sidewalks on the development side of the roadway should be included.
Lindblom also questions the site for the police stations. The police station should have
more direct access to a major road. The land would be better used for a park, he said.
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Jones said the petitioner shouldn't be held accountable for the location of the police
department. The city approached the petitioner on that issue, he said. Actually, he said the
presence of a police station might serve as a traffic- calming device on the road. People
usually slow down when the see a police car. Lindblom said there are differing opinions
on that issue.
Lindblom then said he appreciates the developer's effort to line up one entrance with
Hickory Lane. He wondered what else could be done to minimize traffic on Cannonball
Trail. He's not sure if some of the suggestions made will actually accomplish that. He
added he's not sure what the solution is.
Adams said Beecher Road seems to be the solution. Filler said he agrees. He's counting
on more east -west traffic than north -south traffic.
Lucietto said she lives in the area being discussed and she knows what the residents who
spoke at the public hearing are talking about when they expressed their concerns about
traffic on Cannonball Trail.
If Beecher Road were to be improved first, people would be trained to use that road.
Quite frankly, she said, Cannonball Trail is a cut - through for people who live in other
areas. Beecher Road improvements should be investigated and it sounds as if it is
something that the retailers would like to see as well, she said.
The developer added an even amount of berming at the residents' request from the last
meeting. She said that was great. Next, she said the developer should look at tying into
the bike path to create a safer environment.
As far as lighting goes, there are ways to handle that so it wouldn't be too bothersome to
residents, Lucietto said.
Lindblom asked if it would be possible to have Beecher installed and operational prior to
the planned shopping center opening.
Filler said the portion of Beecher on the developer's property would be improved. The
developer also would work with city staff to route construction traffic and delivery
traffic.
Jones said the biggest issue for him is that there are too many townhomes proposed and
they're too close together. Lucietto said she's also concerned there's not enough parking
for the area.
Lindblom said he doesn't understand why the developer is trying to exceed the density
allowed under the Comprehensive Plan.
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Jones said the developer exceeds the density for what is suggested under the
comprehensive plan. However, it would meet the density under the requested zoning.
The Plan Commission then discussed taking a vote on the concept plan and the zoning.
Lindlbom asked if the commission was comfortable voting knowing there are a number
of concerns to be addressed.
Schillinger said the developer doesn't take any pressure off Cannonball with this plan. He
said there needs to be another major entrance /exit off Beecher. Lindblom said the
developer doesn't own the property to extend Beecher. The commission, however, is
suggesting that the Harlem Irving do their portion of the roadway and put in an
exit/entrance.
Lucietto said the concept of the development is okay, but she doesn't like the preliminary
plan. She needs to see more.
Jones said it seems like the developer is asking for everything right now. Lucietto said the
Plan Commission doesn't have the level of comfort that it will get what it's asking for.
Schillinger asked if it would be okay to vote on the concept, but not on the preliminary.
Filler said it's critical the project is approved in time for fall groundbreaking. Suggesting
that there's no access to Cannonball Trail would make the center not viable, he said.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to get traffic to the stores.
Schillinger said that if Beecher isn't done, then the developer needs Cannonball Trail.
Filler said they've put tremendous thought into the plan. He said - Harlem Irving is
listening to residents on Cannonball Trail and trying to meet the concerns of residents.
Also, he said they would continue to work on its portion of Beecher Road. He said
they're actually counting on Beecher. Also, he said Route 34 would continue to expand.
Schillinger asked Mayor Art Prochaska when the Beecher Road extension would go
through. Prochaska said there is no definite timeline. It can only be extended as
developments come in. As a worst -case scenario, the city could do it if it were to get
enough revenue. Typically, the city doesn't do that because it would cost the taxpayers a
lot of money.
Tom asked Filler what would happen to the development's timeframe if a revised
proposal were to come back to the Plan Commission in two weeks.
Filler asked if the commissioners could approve the concept plan with recommendations
for the next step.
Lindblom said the commission would give the developer a list of concerns and would ask
that the developer show how those concerns have been addressed in the preliminary plan.
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Filler said if the project doesn't stay on track, they could lose critical retailers. He needs
to deliver certain stores and he says he wants to do it right. Because of commitments, he's
in a box, he said. He asked if the Plan Commission could approve the retail portion and
the retail density and they come back for the residential portion.
Lindblom said if the preliminary plan is approved and the developer comes back with the
final plan and it's substantially the same as the preliminary, then the city is stuck. He said
the Plan Commission would give the developer a list of what the concerns are and those
can be incorporated into the preliminary plan. Then the Plan Commission would consider
it in two weeks.
Lindblom added the Plan Commissioners don't have a problem approving the concept
PUD or the rezoning. The preliminary plan could then come back in two weeks.
Lucietto made a motion to accept the concept PUD for PC 2006 -34. Jones seconded the
motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Clarence
Holdiman, Lucietto, Adams, Schillinger, Jones and Lindblom voted yes.
Lucietto made a motion to accept consideration of rezoning for PC 2006 -34 on the
concept PUD that was previously passed. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was
approved in a 6 -1 roll call vote. Holdiman, Lucietto, Adams, Schillinger, Jones and
Lindblom voted yes. Kraupner voted no.
Adams made a motion to table the preliminary plan for PC 2006 -34. Lucietto seconded
the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Lucietto, Adams,
Schillinger, Jones, Kraupner, Holdiman and Lindblom voted yes:
After the vote, Lindblom said that the next meeting isn't a public hearing. However,
residents are welcome to come and listen and said the Plan Commission always accepts
comments from residents.
Prochaska said that he would get a letter from Police Chief Harold Martin on reasons for
wanting the proposed location for the police station. The chief liked the location. He said
it's convenient to the county sheriffs department and the two departments could share
some of their facilities.
Some of the same concerns expressed at the public hearing were present when the police
station was moved to its current location, Prochaska said.
Kraupner then made a motion to return to public hearing. Lucietto seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
2. PC 2005 -44 Donald Schramm and Standard Bank & Trust, petitioners, have filed
an application with the city requesting annexation and rezoning from Kendall County A -1
to Yorkville PUD zoning to allow uses permitted in the commercial, office and
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residential districts. The property consists of approximately 182.25 acres at 9338 Bypass
30.
See attached.
Lucietto made a motion to close the public hearing. Schillinger seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Jones asked if approval of this plan would force a boundary showdown with the Village
of Montgomery. Prochaska said this property has no relationship with the property to the
north. Meanwhile, City Attorney John Wyeth said that the Plan Commission should
consider the request by the petitioner without any regard to a neighboring community.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend annexation approval for PC 2005 -44. Jones
seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Adams,
Schillinger, Jones, Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto and Lindblom voted yes.
Schillinger asked if there's anything the Plan Commission could do about the
tonwhomes. Lucietto said that the ordinance permits 12 units. She wanted to know how
the commission feels about that. Is it still too many?
Lindblom suggested recommending rezoning approval contingent on reducing the
density.
Dunn said that Travis Miller discussed the use of the Raymond Regional Detention basin.
Use of that basin is saving the city 22 acres of space and they're getting credit for that
area. He asked the commission to consider that in their thought processes.
Schillinger said it was sold to the city as a way to get more commercial ground, not an
area for townhomes.
Mayor Prochaska said he agrees with that. However, the landowner is working with the
city to get a commercial area and the commercial access that the city needs.
Schillinger said that puts the commission back to higher density. Mayor Prochaska said
the commission should consider that this proposal is a PUD, so it isn't precedent setting.
It's a unique situation.
Lindblom said it seems to him that the markets dictate the number of townhomes that are
built. As long as the townhomes are quality, it's important to approve the plan, he said.
Mayor Prochaska suggested the Plan Commission request the petitioner meet higher
building standards.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend rezoning as requested and the concept PUD for
PC 2005 -44 subject to staff concerns and current city standards. Jones seconded the
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motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Schillinger, Jones,
Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Adams and Lindblom voted yes.
NEW BUSINESS
1. PC 2005 -52 Kleinwachter Preliminary Plan
Kelly Kramer, attorney for the petitioner, said the property consists of 9.81 acres. The
preliminary plan for a subdivision is before the Plan Commission. The petitioners are
looking to develop the property with a B -3 business service district with a flex plan for R-
2 zoning on the back half of the property if needed.
They plan on building a daycare facility and possibly a preschool facility on Lot 4.
Beyond that, they don't have any other end users.
The annexation and zoning was approved by the City Council.
Miller said there are some technical items that need to be cleaned up, but the staff s
recommendation is to approve the request subject to staff comments.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plan for PC 2005 -52
subject to staff concerns. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously
approved by voice vote. Jones, Holdiman, Lucietto, Adams, Schillinger and Lindblom
voted yes. Kraupner had to leave the meeting at 10 p.m. and wasn't present for the vote.
2. PC 2006 -51 Brighton Oaks II Concept Plan
Patti Bernhard, attorney for the petitioner, said the property is located High Point Road. It
is south of the Brighton Oaks development. The petitioner is seeking concept plan
approval for a 54- single - family home development on 37.5 acres. Eventually the
petitioner would seek to annex and zone R -2.
Ted Lundquist with SEC Planning said there are a few constraints with the site. Access is
one problem as is visibility on High Point Road. They've placed the access point to
maximize visibility. There also is the potential for a future access from the north.
The plan is designed with open -ended cul -de -sacs to minimize the number of homes
backing the existing development. The developer also is proposing a 70 -foot buffer along
High Point Road.
Lundquist said the Park Board requested a trail connection, but no park area. The
developer also intends to preserve the wetlands on the site and will dedicate 35 percent of
the site to open space.
The proposed density on the project is 1.44 units per acre, well below the estate density
of 1.75 units per acre, Lundquist said. The average lot size would be 15, 000 square feet
with a maximum lot size of 20,635 feet and a minimum lot size of 12,000 square feet.
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Mayor Prochaska said the residents neighboring the proposed development like this plan
for street connections rather than connecting into Maple Ridge Lane.
Lindblom said the concept looks good.
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Lucietto made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 10:25 p.m. Jones seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe
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PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting
of the above - entitled matter taken before
CHRISTINE M. VITOSH, C.S.R., on July 12, 2006, at
the hour of 7:00 p.m., at 800 Game Farm Road, in
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1 P R E S E N T:
2 MR. TOM LINDBLOM, Chairman;
3 MR. CLARENCE HOLDIMAN;
4 MS. SANDRA ADAMS;
5 MS. ANNE LUCIETTO;
6 MR. CHARLES KRAUPNER;
7 MR. BRIAN SCHILLINGER;
8 MR. JACK JONES;
9 MR. TRAVIS MILLER;
10 MS. DINA GIPE.
11 A P P E A R A N C E S:
12 MR. JOHN JUSTIN WYETH, Counsel,
appeared on behalf of the United
13 City of Yorkville, Illinois.
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1 (Witnesses sworn)
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I would
3 entertain a motion to go to public hearing.
4 MR. JONES: So moved.
5 MR. KRAUPNER: Second.
6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Moved and
7 seconded to go to public hearing. Discussion on
8 the motion?
9 (No Response)
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none,
11 those in favor signify by saying aye.
12 (A Chorus of Ayes)
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed?
14 (No Response)
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We are now in
16 public hearing. And at this time I would ask
17 that anybody that's willing to -- wants to say
18 anything at the public hearing to please stand,
19 raise your right hand, and repeat after me.
20 (Witnesses sworn)
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: At this time
22 then we are hearing for PC 2006 -34, Cannonball,
23 LLC, Harlem Irving Company, and Cooper Home
24 Furnishings, petitioners, have filed an
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1 application with the United City of Yorkville,
2 Kendall County, Illinois, requesting rezoning
3 from Yorkville A -1 Agricultural District to PUD
4 zoning to allow uses permitted in the B -3 Service
5 Business District, R -2 One - Family Residence
6 District, and R -3 General Residence District.
7 The real property consists of
8 approximately 193 acres located on the northwest
9 corner of U.S. 34 and Cannonball Trail.
10 And who is speaking for the
11 petitioner?
12 WHEREUPON:
13 RICHARD FILLER,
14 having been first duly sworn, testified before
15 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
16 MR. FILLER: Richard Filler. I am
17 the managing director of the Harlem Irving
18 Companies. Good evening, Commissioners,
19 Chairman, and residents of Yorkville.
20 You've heard this, and our
21 conceptual plan has pretty much stayed consistent
22 from our last presentation, so obviously there is
23 a lot of people here that would like to get into
24 a discussion with this project, so we'll keep it
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1 very brief and do a very quick run -down.
2 Our agenda this evening, we'll
3 just give you a quick team overview. The project
4 overview, character and landscape program, we'll
5 get more into our traffic study on the
6 conceptual, we didn't really talk about those
7 traffic improvements and where we're going.
8 We have met with Cannonball
9 Trail Civic League and we understand their
10 concerns, and tonight we're going to try to
11 address how we're going to approach their
12 concerns and then get into a discussion.
13 The development team is made up
14 of two very experienced companies: Harlem Irving
15 Company is a 50 -year old company this year, and
16 Mid - America Development.
17 Dave Bossy is here and will
18 speak a little to his company and the years of
19 experience, and we've also enjoyed many
20 partnerships together also.
21 Harlem Irving Company is based
22 with its flagship, the Harlem - Irving Plaza,
23 located in Norridge, Illinois.
24 It started 50 years ago as a
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1 local strip center and today boasts 700,000
2 square feet with 150 specialized retail stores.
3 We pride ourself throughout the
4 greater Chicagoland area of quality projects.
5 This is a project that we actually did with
6 Mid - America in Glenview, which was a large format
7 type of project with Costco and Home Depot.
8 A project that we just recently
9 are getting approvals for -- in fact, our final
10 approval for this Town Center in the Village of
11 Willowbrook is a -- nice blend thing between the
12 project you saw with the large format and then
13 the smaller format is very similar to how we will
14 be approaching our project here in Yorkville.
15 It's very high architecture, a lot of specialty
16 stores.
17 With that, I'll have Dave just
18 give a little introduction.
19 WHEREUPON:
20 DAVID BOSSY,
21 having been first duly sworn, testified before
22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
23 MR. BOSSY: Just very quick, David
24 Bossy, Mid - America Real Estate Corporation.
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1 We have three Mid - America
2 companies; the first one is a brokerage company
3 where we've represented over 100 national chain
4 stores handling their expansion plans throughout
5 Chicagoland, Mid - America Asset Management
6 Company, very large asset management company,
7 with 20 million square feet of shopping centers
8 we have managed through the area, but really
9 Mid - America Development Partners is my current
10 company, which is doing a myriad of development
11 projects, redeveloping four different projects in
12 Homewood, many public - private partnerships in Oak
13 Lawn, where we re- developed the downtown area of
14 Oak Lawn, we're doing Westin Hotel in Wheeling,
15 Illinois, right now, we are building a Marriott
16 Hotel in Naperville, we are doing a lifestyle
17 center along Route 59 in Naperville, just
18 completed the Target and Home -- Target and
19 Wal -Mart in Plainfield along Route 59, so there
20 is a whole myriad of projects of mixed use along
21 with retail, and I'll leave it at that.
22 MR. FILLER: That is the shortest
23 speech I have ever heard Dave give. The project
24 is located at the northwest corner of Veteran's
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1 Parkway and Cannonball Trail.
2 The site summary, it's roughly
3 200 acres. It's broken down to -- the retail
4 parcel is roughly 133 acres, which includes 23
5 acres of retention.
6 There will be a ten -acre police
7 station, 22 acres of single - family, 23 acres of
8 townhomes, and then a right -of -way that will be
9 given in three acres.
10 The retail portion of the site
11 is basically -- the exciting thing about this
12 center, as we spoke to at the conceptual review,
13 is that we're using a large box format in the
14 background, which at this time we have a signed
15 letter of intent for our negotiations for a final
16 purchase agreement with Target, Home Depot, and
17 this week we just finalized an agreement with
18 Kohl's Department Stores for our third anchor at
19 the center.
20 In addition to that, we have
21 many mid -sized anchors that are working with us,
22 Petsmart, Linens & Things, Michaels, and many
23 more.
24 The site will also have a
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1 unique feature, which will be a specialty
2 boulevard, a place where, instead of having a
3 large sea of asphalt in this large format, there
4 will be a very intimate retail experience with
5 high architecture, finer tenants, more boutique
6 type of tenants, a place where Sunday afternoon
7 it will fee like a small downtown with the
8 Starbuck Coffees of the world and the bagel
9 stores and maybe the higher end boutiques.
10 And when you look at the site
11 plan, we can't promise that portion of the site
12 tonight, it could be a year from now, it could be
13 two from here, and when you look at how that will
14 work, that will actually be able to be placed in
15 there at any given time as the momentum for the
16 center builds up and we get those specialty kinds
17 up.
18 The thing I'm very proud to say
19 is that the response we've had from the national
20 retail community has been outstanding, far more
21 rapid than we had ever anticipated. Once again,
22 it's a testimony to the growth of Yorkville.
23 As relates to the residential
24 plan, we have the townhomes component and we also
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1 have the single- family component.
2 We are working and have devised
3 a plan that will come back in our next meeting --
4 in our final where this is all transitional.
5 The single- families will
6 actually abut the single- families, the townhouses
7 will actually drop to the south of the
8 single - family, so we will have a perfect
9 transitional zoning going from the existing
10 single - family to single- family to townhouse
11 development to the detention and then to the
12 commercial.
13 So as it relates -- and then
14 from here, actually residential, police station,
15 commercial, so we feel that the transitional
16 zoning has been achieved.
17 Breaking down the residential
18 density, this gets a little confusing, I'm still
19 a little confused by it also; however, I am
20 taking this based off of a Plan Commission
21 concern or comment, and that comment was that
22 it's too dense.
23 When you really look at it, our
24 total residential allowable before giving the
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1 police station is actually 56 acres, and based on
2 56 acres, with the zoning and the densities
3 allowed in that zoning, would actually be allowed
4 to do 243 units.
5 Keeping that density and
6 deeding the ten acres to the police station
7 actually would bring our density down -- actually
8 would allow us to build -- keeping that density
9 and just shifting it over would still allow us to
10 do 243. Our total plan is 197.
11 So based on the comment that
12 was given, I believe if you go through the
13 calculations, is that we are actually under what
14 we would actually be allowed to develop as it
15 relates to the density in residential.
16 At this point I would have Phil
17 come up and walk you through the character and
18 some of the landscape plans.
19 WHEREUPON:
20 PHIL STUEPFERT,
21 having been first duly sworn, testified before
22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
23 MR. STUEPFERT: Phil Stuepfert, and
24 I will try and keep this brief as well. I just
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1 wanted to give you a brief overview of the
2 character and theme.
3 As you recall, we are trying
4 pull some of the items from Yorkville, the
5 courthouse architecture, downtown Yorkville, and
6 incorporate it into the landscape.
7 Go to the next slide. As you
8 can see here, the courthouse is just a really
9 great vertical feature in Yorkville, and so we
10 want to pull some of that architecture into the
11 monumentation and signage and some of the
12 features in our development.
13 Obviously the new courthouse,
14 which did some of that, pulling that
15 architecture, is directly south of this property,
16 so I think it would be really neat to pull in
17 all --
18 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER:
19 Excuse me, sir. Can you speak up so we can hear?
20 MR. STUEPFERT: Okay. Sure. It
21 would be neat to pull a lot of this architecture
22 into our features and signage to make sure we are
23 pulling in some of the area around Yorkville.
24 You can see here off the
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1 courthouse, that's the kind of buff - colored
2 cornerstone that's on that building, we are going
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3 to try to incorporate that into our signage and
4 monumentation.
5 You see here the tall vertical
6 feature. We have our signs out front on 34; you
7 can see how we put that cornerstone and that
8 throughout the sign and the vertical features, so
9 we think that's kind of neat to tie it into
10 Yorkville.
11 The downtown center, I spent a
12 lot of time on that, a real environmental, also
13 an urban feel type center.
14 It's going to have a lot of
15 special lighting, benches and things like that.
16 It will be a really neat center.
17 One of the things we did was we
18 put a -- go to the next slide actually. You can
19 see how we put a little small stream down through
20 the middle of that area.
21 That is to try to tie to the
22 concept that the Fox River ties through
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23 Yorkville, so we thought that would be kind of
24 neat, to put that down through that area.
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1 Next slide, please. Peripheral
2 appearance and the buffers on this project are
3 going to be very important. Obviously we have
4 some residents here tonight that are concerned
5 about Cannonball, so I am going to focus on that
6 in the next few slides.
7 But the idea is to obviously
8 put a split rail fence, grasses, maybe some
9 prairie flowers, things like that, along the
10 edges, so it fits the character of Yorkville.
11 Rather than incorporating a
12 really hard urban theme along the edge, we want
13 it to be a really soft rural theme.
14 The way it stands along
15 Cannonball, obviously is along here, and we are
16 required to put a 30 -foot buffer next to
17 residential.
18 The applicant has agreed to do
19 50 feet, which was a concern of neighbors,
20 increase the buffer, which we've done. You
21 brought that up as well through the process, so
22 there is now a 50 -foot buffer along that road.
23 This kind of shows the area,
24 and obviously through here is where there is
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1 about I think six or seven, maybe eight residents
2 that are affected by that.
3 Down in this corner is the
4 future office area, I believe it's already
5 annexed and zoned, if I am correct on that, so
6 that we did cover that down through that area as
7 well.
8 So this is the area of concern,
9 of course, right in there, and if you go to the
10 next slide, you'll see how in certain areas where
11 basically it's going to work, they will be
12 building in the middle of the outlots in those
13 locations. Between those buildings is going to
14 be a mass of parking, so what we're going to try
15 to do is put large berms and dense plantings
16 where all that parking occurs, and then in these
17 areas we will open it up just a little bit
18 because we do need some visibility into those
19 buildings as you can imagine.
20 However, we're going to put a
21 split rail fence and some of the ornamental
22 grasses that get up to three, four feet high so
23 it will screen some of the parking spaces;
24 however, you will be able to look through and see
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1 some of the building.
2 If you go to the last slide,
3 where the parking occurs, where it turns green we
4 will have a significant berm, get up to at least
5 five -foot high, maybe higher, have a lot of
6 evergreens on there, dense vegetation, a lot of
7 shrubs and things like that.
8 You will see in this section
9 here it's going to screen a lot of view into that
10 site where appropriate to screen the parking, and
11 then we are going to open it up, like I said
12 earlier, where we feel it's necessary.
13 That's it. I am going to be
14 here to answer any questions. I also have John
15 Wessel here, the senior landscape architect, to
16 answer any questions in terms of the landscape.
17 Turn it back to Rick.
18 WHEREUPON:
19 WILLIAM WOODWARD,
20 having been first duly sworn, testified before
21 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
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22 MR. WOODWARD: Good evening. My
23 name is William Woodward. I am a senior
24 consultant traffic engineer with KLOA, located at
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1 9575 West Higgins Rosemont, Illinois, 60018. We
2 are charged with conducting the traffic study for
3 this development.
4 We conducted the study in
5 accordance with both city and IDOT standards. I
6 just want to take few moments to review with you
7 the proposed driveways and their functions, first
8 off beginning with the proposed Beecher Road
9 alignment.
10 We are looking at a couple
11 intersections off the side for the retail and the
12 residential components, along with the
13 intersection on 34.
14 Along 34 we are looking at a
15 full access, which is the primary access driveway
16 to the retail development, along with two
17 supplementary or secondary driveways on either
18 side that would be restricted to right -in,
19 right -out only movements.
20 In addition, along Cannonball
21 Trail, we are looking at two access points; one
22 primarily is residential and the other one is a
23 secondary to serve the outlots and the retail
24 southern portion of the development.
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1 In our study we analyzed
2 several conditions, several time periods, if you
3 will. We looked at year 2010, which is when we
4 are assuming the development will be completed,
5 if not a majority of it, y6ar 2016 and also year
6 2026. The 2016 and 2026 are in conformance with
7 IDOT standards.
8 Now, for each one of these time
9 periods not only do we consider the existing
10 traffic in the area and the traffic generated by
11 the development, but we also consider certain
12 developments in the area that are expected to
13 take place, and on top of all that to account for
14 everything else that's going on in the Yorkville
15 area and beyond, we increased the existing
16 traffic volumes that we record at the
17 intersection of 34 and Cannonball Trail by six
18 percent per year, which means that for the year
19 2010 condition we increased the existing volumes
20 by 24 percent, for year 2016 we increased it by
21 60 percent, and for year 2026, we went all the
22 way up to 120 percent.
23 Now, is this realistic? Maybe,
24 maybe not. But that's pretty much the only way
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1 you have of doing things around here. So we want
2 to be very conservative when we approach the
3 study and how we came about -- you know, when we
4 did our analysis and the recommendations.
5 Speaking of which, I'll get
6 into the recommendations and the results of the
7 study.
8 Starting with Beecher Road, as
9 was agreed, Beecher Road will be constructed as a
10 five -lane cross - section providing two through
11 lanes in each direction, along with a median that
12 can be carved out to provide left -turn lanes at
13 the appropriate intersections.
14 At the intersection of 34 and
15 Beecher, a traffic signal is warranted and
16 recommended at this intersection.
17 My apologies. Let me back up
18 for a minute before I talk about that specific
19 intersection.
20 As a result of this development
21 and other developments in the area, along with
22 the increase in traffic, 34 is being recommended
23 to be widened to provide two through lanes in
24 each direction, five -lane cross - section if you
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1 will
2 So now going back to that
3 intersection at Beecher and 34, we are
4 recommending that at that intersection that
5 Beecher Road contain a left -turn lane, two
6 through lanes and a right -turn lane, two through
7 lanes and a right -turn lane on the north and
8 south approaches on Beecher, as the north and
9 south approach.
10 And then on 34, we are
11 recommending that a left -turn and a right -turn --
12 excuse me, left -turn and right -turn lane also be
13 provided on the west and east approaches as well.
14 This is in addition to the two
15 through lanes that are going to be developed on
16 34.
17 Now, at the main access -- the
18 center access, like I say, is on 34, this one
19 right here, again, a traffic signal is warranted
20 and recommended at this intersection because it
21 is the primary intersection to the retail
22 development.
23 We are recommending that a
24 right -- excuse me, a left -turn lane, an
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1 eastbound left -turn lane on 34, be provided,
2 along with a right -turn lane, and that the
3 driveway itself be constructed to allow a minimum
4 of one lane inbound and three lanes outbound,
5 where you would have two dual left turns coming
6 out of the development, along with a single
7 right -turn lane coming out of the development.
8 MR. SCHILLINGER: Why only one in?
9 MR. WOODWARD: Excuse me?
10 MR. SCHILLINGER: Why only one lane
11 in?
12 MR. WOODWARD: That's what the
13 analysis suggests was needed. The two right -in
14 right -out driveways along 34, as I mentioned,
15 these will be restricted to right -in right -out
16 only movements, should provide right -turn lanes
17 on 34, or deceleration lanes, and the right -turn
18 lane -- the driveways themselves should provide
19 one lane inbound and one lane outbound, with the
20 outbound lanes under stop sign control.
21 The intersection of Cannonball
22 Trail, basically at this intersection, in
23 addition to two through lanes on 34, right -turn
24 lanes are recommended on the north approach, so
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1 that would be a southbound right -turn lane to go
2 from south to west, in addition to a northbound
3 right -turn lane to go from north to east.
4 The two access driveways on
5 Cannonball Trail, we are recommending that a left
6 turn lane and a right -turn lane at both of these
7 driveways be constructed and that the driveways
8 be -- provide a minimum of one inbound lane and
9 two outbound lanes separated between left and
10 right turn movements, and the outbound lanes
11 should both be -- both these driveways should be
12 under stop sign control.
13 Because of the close proximity
14 of the two driveways to each other in relation to
15 34, we are recommending that the quote, unquote
16 three -lane cross - section, the middle lane that's
17 going to be providing the left -turn lane,
18 basically be extended all the way through this
19 corridor so that you're not having a --
20 basically, you know, a bottleneck from one
21 intersection to the next.
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
23 you.
24 MR. WOODWARD: Thank you.
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1 MR. FILLER: As I suggested at the
2 beginning of the meeting, we have received
3 correspondence from Cannonball Trail Civic League
4 through via email and also we were cc'd on a
5 letter that was written I think to this
6 Commission.
7 Based on those concerns as we
8 understand them today, I'd like to walk through
9 what we understand their concerns being and how
10 we are going about to alleviate their concerns.
11 There is a concern of berming
12 along Cannonball Trail. I believe the ordinance
13 states that we are required to have a 30 or
14 35 -foot setback from the right -of -way.
15 We are actually offering a
16 50 -foot setback that would match the residential
17 project to the north, would be utilizing similar
18 berms, and undulating those berms to make sure
19 that we are hiding the parking, and I
20 think that's -- We don't want this to be -- I
21 mean, the experience of this center is from the
22 inside out, not from the outside in.
23 If you look how we've even put
24 the interior roads, we want people to get off of
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1 the roadways and to get inside, and we
2 actually -- and you don't see this very often,
3 but we actually have like a frontage road inside.
4 There is a lot of outlot uses
5 and there is, you know, the specialty retail and
6 the large format Target.
7 We have created internal
8 circulation. We don't want people driving around
9 the edge of this.
10 And if you look at a lot of
11 master plans like this, a lot of those outlots
12 would have cuts right onto a Cannonball Trail,
13 right onto a 34, right -in right -out or whatever
14 to create more of a smaller circulation within
15 that outlot user.
16 Our idea is to get them in,
17 keep them in, and let them circulate within the
18 center itself.
19 Lighting is a large concern and
20 we understand lighting would be a concern being
21 that these residents are fronting onto
22 Cannonball.
23 What we are committed to do is
24 all of our outlot users would utilize more of an
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1 ambient lighting, so you're not going to have
2 neon signs, brightly lit signs. More of like a
3 restaurant you have here in town, Blackstone.
4 If you look at how that's lit,
5 it's lit with gooseneck type of fixtures, and
6 it's just kind of putting a nice glow onto the
7 building. It's not an obnoxious light. It's
8 just a nice glow.
9 And once again, signage, you
10 know, their signage there is great. It's an
11 ambient lighting. They basically have the
12 channels that are solid and it's a halo globe
13 behind them.
14 So we would actually restrict
15 along Cannonball Trail all of our users to
16 utilize that type of a lighting program.
17 In addition to that there would
18 be the concern of those parking lot lights within
19 the parking lot.
20 Parking lot lighting has become
21 very sophisticated in today's world and it's very
22 controllable. We can take, you know, a parking
23 lot, take it from ten foot candles to zero at
24 that property line.
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1 One thing that you have to be
2 concerned with is those people on Cannonball when
3 they look out do not see those lights.
4 We only use recessed -- If you
5 look at two different kinds of cans, can
6 lighting, there is a type of can lighting that
7 actually kind of bubbles out below that can, and
8 it's very difficult to hide.
9 All of our lighting will be
10 recessed within that can, and because they do sit
11 up high, there still is a chance that you would
12 be able to see into that can, and at those places
13 we put cut -outs, we put baffles, so that type of
14 light would be eliminated.
15 As relates to traffic, we just
16 went over that. We have many experts that will
17 work with us to make sure that the appropriate
18 movements are made and the appropriate
19 improvements are put together to make this a safe
20 environment for the community and for our
21 shoppers and residents at home.
22 The neighbors would not like us
23 to have any entrance onto -- off of Cannonball.
24 We feel that that's fairly impractical.
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1 What we did do, though, is when
2 we really studied and started paying a lot of
3 attention to those homes across the street, we
4 noticed that we had -- the drive to the north
5 needs to be there because it's going to feed that
6 residential, it's going to feed the police
7 station. So that one has to stay. That's a
8 given.
9 The other -- the other entrance
10 on Cannonball, where we had proposed -- where we
11 had proposed the -- on the current site plan that
12 shows, it shows that the only shopping center
13 drive is actually placed right here, and with
14 meeting with the neighbors, we realized that what
15 we were doing, there are two houses that are
16 fairly close together there, and we are actually
17 putting those headlights basically into two
18 homes.
19 We have redesigned it, and in
20 the next package that you will see from us is a
21 full redesign. We've actually brought -- taken
22 that -- so once again created internal
23 circulation and brought that road to match up
24 with the road -- the only existing true drive -in
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1 road on the other side of the street, so we have
2 matched those up so not to be offensive to
3 anybody on that side of the street.
4 There are concerns with the
5 police station which I can't address.
6 And then there is certain
7 concerns of how we sign -- sign the project to
8 keep people from not using Cannonball as a main
9 thoroughfare into the shopping center.
10 We're not suggesting any type
11 of pylon signs on Cannonball. We're not looking
12 at Cannonball being our main address. I mean,
13 this is Route 34. This is one of the most
14 important east /west streets in Kendall County.
15 And at the same time, you know,
16 we are very excited about the north /south
17 connection of Beecher Road.
18 So, I mean, really this is
19 really a project which is being placed at the
20 northeast corner of Beecher and Veteran's, not,
21 as I opened up, at the northwest corner of
22 Cannonball Trail and 34.
23 Cannonball Trail is not
24 designed to carry the traffic of the shopping
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1 center, and we would want to utilize -- you know,
2 in a lot of towns with a center of this size,
3 like a Schaumburg, you will find that in very
4 different -- very different places that will say,
5 you know, Woodfield Mall, and it might be a mile
6 away from the shopping center.
7 What it's doing is actually
8 getting people to take a different route to that
9 mall.
10 I think there is opportunities
11 as this area grows to actually push people onto
12 more of the commercial roadways to get to our
13 shopping center.
14 We went through the traffic,
15 -but I just would point out there is some concern
16 with Cannonball Trail; specifically that we will
17 actually be going into their front yards for this
18 widening of Cannonball Trail.
19 All of the widening will be
20 taking place on our side of the street, creating
21 a safer environment.
22 The concern I heard from the
23 residents is that it's not a safe environment for
24 them now as it relates to getting their cars in
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1 and out of their driveway and dealing with the
2 traffic that's on Cannonball Trail now.
3 What we are doing here is
4 adding a lane, and what they're having trouble is
5 getting that left -turn lane into their driveways,
6 they are having trouble backing up.
7 We are creating a safe lane,
8 safety lane, for them to create those movements
9 and to get out of the traffic.
10 As it relates to sidewalks,
11 there's a concern that we are not showing
12 sidewalks. It's kind of a dual -edged sword.
13 My feeling is is that at the
14 corner of 34 and Cannonball Trail that will make
15 a very convenient opening, a sidewalk opening,
16 that puts people into -- more into the asphalt,
17 puts them more into the parking area and lets
18 them move north.
19 I guess what's happening now is
20 the kids basically walk up the middle of
21 Cannonball Trail up to the residential to the
22 north. Concerned there should be sidewalks.
23 We're not totally opposed to
24 that, but I think what that's going to take is
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1 some of that rural nature that we are trying to
2 create of the berming, the landscaping, and all
3 of a sudden it's going to take out of that,
4 because it's going to, you know, make that berm
5 steeper because we are not going to have as much
6 room to put the sidewalks in.
7 So with that, I'm sure there
8 will be some comments, and we look forward to
9 discussing the project with you in further
10 detail. Thank you.
11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Let me
12 call on Martha Price first. Martha sent a letter
13 to Plan Commission members. It was in our
14 packet.
15 Martha, would you care to
16 comment on this or comment on anything that Rick
17 has talked about?
18 WHEREUPON:
19 MARTHA PRICE,
20 having been first duly sworn, testified before
21 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
22 MS. PRICE: We do have an attorney
23 to represent us tonight, but I'll first give you
24 petitions that two of our neighbors gathered from
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1 the area. I believe there is about 103 names on
2 these petitions.
3 The petition reads that, "We,
4 the undersigned, feel that our well established
5 residential neighborhood along Cannonball Trail
6 and Route 34 should be able to maintain its value
7 and quality of life and that every effort should
8 be made by the City of Yorkville to lessen the
9 impact of unexpected commercial development on
10 property according to the Comprehensive Plan that
11 was designed for residential development.
12 Specifically this means not
13 widening Cannonball Trail all the way to 47, no
14 entrances to the commercial development on
15 Cannonball Trail, using transitional zoning on
16 the east side of the proposed development to
17 buffer the high density commercial use from the
18 low density and estate housing, and relocating
19 the proposed police department to a spot more
20 advantageous to all the people of Yorkville."
21 This is the way the petition reads.
22 The last two pages of the
23 petition are designated -- one was signed by
24 residents of Kylyn's Ridge and Crossings, the
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1 other one was residents of Whispering Meadows,
2 and the rest were from the remaining area
3 of primarily Cannonball Trail, so that would be
4 area that we represent. So I'd like to give you
5 these, if that's all right.
6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Sure.
7 MS. PRICE: Some of our other
8 residents may have some comments to make, but I
9 think that I would like our attorney to speak for
10 us.
11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay.
12 MS. PRICE: Mr. Carl Buck.
13 WHEREUPON:
14 CARL BUCK,
15 having been first duly sworn, testified before
16 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
17 MR. BUCK: Good evening,
18 Mr. Chairman. My name is Carl Buck. My address
19 is 618 Main Street, Plainfield, Illinois, and I
20 am here on behalf of the Cannonball Trail Civic
21 League.
22 The first thing I would like to
23 do is to just read into the record -- I know you
24 had a sign -in sheet going around, but read into
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1 the record the residents that are here on behalf
2 of the Civic League and their addresses.
3 Bazan, B- A- Z -A -N, 3862
4 Cannonball Trail --
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Excuse me a
6 second. Would it be sufficient to just hand that
7 to -- get that into the record?
8 MR. BUCK: If there is a copy or I
9 can get a copy.
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I think that we
11 can do that. Rather than take the time to read
12 all that, it will get into the record by just
13 handing it to us.
14 MR. BUCK: Okay. Very good. We'd
15 also like to have the petition that Miss Price
16 just spoke of admitted into the record as well.
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Sure.
18 MR. BUCK: The first thing I'd like
19 to do is address the plan. The plan that's been
20 presented tonight is slightly different than the
21 plan that we were previously provided with, and
22 if I can ask, I know Ms. Price asked some time
23 ago for a copy of the traffic impact study, but
24 we never received on.
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1 I am wondering if we can
2 receive an actual copy of the traffic impact
3 study, if one was done.
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: The answer is
5 yes.
6 MR. BUCK: Okay. I don't know to
7 what extent that traffic report is, and I know
8 that in your PUD ordinance, the one that
9 Mr. Miller recently provided me, it says that you
10 can request certain types of studies to be done,
11 and I would like to reserve an objection to the
12 traffic study until we've had a chance to review
13 it.
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay.
15 MR. BUCK: The other thing that I
16 would like to ask for by way of preliminary
17 matters -- and I believe it was Mr. Filler that
18 was speaking to it -- was the lighting plan.
19 In the presentation -- and I
20 note that going through the ordinance it breaks
21 down your PUD approval into three distinct phases
22 if you will, and I understand that we are at the
23 concept stage and that we are going to have
24 perhaps further public hearings on the actual
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1 approval of the PUD; is that correct?
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes, it is.
3 MR. MILLER: Actually let me answer
4 that. The petition here tonight is for concept
5 PUD as well as preliminary PUD, so there is two
6 items on the agenda for consideration of the Plan
7 Commission tonight.
8 And you are correct that the
9 ordinance is written in three specific steps and
10 two of those are being petitioned for at this
11 time.
12 MR. BUCK: So is there going to be a
13 follow -up hearing on the final PUD or will there
14 not be?
15 MR. WYETH: Not a hearing, but a
16 public meeting.
17 MR. BUCK: I'm sorry?
18 MR. WYETH: Not a hearing, a public
19 meeting.
20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: It's a public
21 meeting as opposed to a public hearing.
22 MR. BUCK: Okay.
23 MR. MILLER: Actually it goes for
24 the preliminary plan as well. The public hearing
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1 is scheduled, but I just want to make sure it's
2 clear that what's in front of the Plan Commission
3 on the agenda tonight is the concept PUD as well
4 as the preliminary PUD.
5 MR. BUCK: Okay. Very good.
6 Consistent with that then, along with that
7 section of your PUD ordinance, which is -- I am
8 trying to see what section is in here -- looks
9 like it's 10 -13 -6, letter I, if you can request
10 that the petitioner provide you with a
11 photometric plan so we can actually take a look
12 at what the photometric plan would be, I don't
13 think they will have any problem doing that,
14 they'll have to do it anyway at some point, but
15 before you pass on it, if we can have it to look,
16 at the photometric plan.
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I see the
18 petitioner shaking his head yes.
19 MR. BUCK: I'm sure they probably
20 already have one done. With respect to the plan
21 that's been presented this evening, Mr. Filler
22 has in many instances addressed the concerns that
23 the Civic League has regarding the development.
24 One of the phrases that he used
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1 early on in his presentation was that the
2 development had achieved perfect transitional
3 zoning.
4 I would beg to differ with
5 Mr. Filler with respect to the east side or what
6 would be the west border of the Cannonball Trail
7 Civic League.
8 The area that was mentioned by
9 the individual who was speaking to the landscape
10 plan indicated six or eight residences, and it's
11 not six or eight residences. There is more than
12 that number of residences over there and there is
13 no transitional zoning along that side of the
14 plan, and certainly that should be a
15 consideration.
16 Under your amendment ordinance,
17 one of the things that is specifically
18 highlighted, as you know, is the impact that the
19 development is going to have by way of traffic,
20 and one of the prepatory remarks you made is we
21 don't want to get up here and have traffic,
22 traffic, traffic, but that's a very important
23 part of this plan, and it's a very significant
24 impact to the residences that are along
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1 Cannonball Trail.
2 To that extent, the effort that
3 has gone into achieving what Mr. Filler described
4 as perfect transitional zoning along the northern
5 boundary of the property, I would agree with him,
6 that is substantial.
7 There has been no effort made
8 to do that on the eastern edge of the property
9 for the residences that are on Cannonball Trail,
10 and some effort -- I understand that they are
11 putting in a buffer, but they have located all of
12 or primarily -- a number of outlots along that
13 strip, which is going to create a tremendous
14 amount of traffic, and no zoning whatsoever near
15 commercial.
16 Your Comprehensive Plan calls
17 for that area to be residential with a commercial
18 strip along 34, so I would ask you to take that
19 into consideration as well, that the plan as it
20 is conceived does not have perfect transitional
21 zoning, certainly with respect to its eastern
22 border or the western border of Cannonball Trail
23 of the Civic League, excuse me.
24 In addition, one of the
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1 comments that was made with respect to the
2 traffic study was that the traffic engineer
3 indicated that Cannonball Trail should be widened
4 to include a turn lane, if I heard -- if I
5 understood correctly.
6 MR. WOODWARD: Yes.
7 MR. BUCK: So it would actually be
8 widened. And one of the specific concerns for
9 this group of residences -- residents, excuse me,
10 is that Cannonball Trail not be widened, because
11 if you look at your Comprehensive Plan and you
12 look at your land use plan, as Cannonball Trail
13 proceeds north, the METRA station that is
14 proposed or at least indicated on the
15 comprehensive growing plan is in that northern
16 area, and to widen Cannonball Trail would, you
17 know, really be sticking the camel's nose into
18 the tent for expanding Cannonball Trail.
19 There is certainly no
20 prohibition against that happening in the future,
21 and once it's done, it opens it up.
22 That specific concern with
23 respect to -- it goes back to traffic, but it
24 also goes back to impact and it goes back to the
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1 quality of life that these people have enjoyed
2 with the current space of the comprehensive land
3 plan, which, as you know, there is case law out
4 there that specifically speaks to the following
5 comprehensive plans are done for a reason to
6 ensure quality of life, not just for the people
7 who are coming into the area, but for the people
8 who are already there, and many of the residents
9 that you have in this area have been there for
10 quite a long time, and so to a certain extent,
11 they are to be protected by that.
12 So the residents would
13 specifically object to widening of Cannonball
14 Trail to include a third lane, if you will, or
15 widening that to three lanes. Regardless of on
16 whose property that road was widened, it should
17 not be widened.
18 With respect to the berm, the
19 plan indicated -- or I believe I heard that the
20 berm was to be a five -foot berm. We would ask
21 that the berm be increased seven to ten feet, and
22 there being no entrances or windows, if you are
23 familiar with these types of outlots that are
24 going along that side, there would be no reason
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1 not to provide 100 percent screening along that
2 border for the people that are on Cannonball
3 Trail.
4 As it reflects in the landscape
5 plan that was provided, they indicated that they
6 wanted to have some open spots so that you could
7 see the buildings that are there.
8 Absent advertising on the
9 outside of those buildings, there would be no
10 reason to do that, and certainly there's not
11 going to be anybody that drives down Route 34 or
12 Beecher Road or Cannonball Trail that isn't going
13 to know that this development is there, so there
14 is no practical purpose for doing that other than
15 to advertise, and one of the goals that they have
16 articulated to you is to not have flashing or
17 outside lighting advertising on the outside of
18 those buildings, so there is no reason to do
19 that.
20 So 100 percent screening could
21 be achieved with a berm that could be increased
22 to seven to ten feet.
23 On the plan that we saw
24 tonight, it was a slightly different plan, as I
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1 indicated, and one of the things that we did like
2 was the movement of the entrance that is -- lines
3 up with the Hickory Lane intersection. That is
4 very good. We are happy to see that.
5 We would like to limit it if
6 possible to one entrance, and if it is -- and we
7 would ask the developer to consider which
8 entrance is more important.
9 If it is indeed important to
10 have an entrance that would feed to the
11 single- family, then make that one entrance the
12 northern entrance.
13 The traffic engineer seemed to
14 indicate that there was concern regarding the
15 proximity of having two entrances into the
16 development and the traffic that might be
17 generated, and we would encourage the Commission
18 to consider that opinion, that is a valid
19 opinion, and to move that intersection farther
20 away from the intersection of 34 and Cannonball
21 Trail.
22 If you are going to keep a
23 second intersection, keep it aligned with
24 Hickory, but our request would be to remove that
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1 entrance, alleviate traffic, and push the
2 intersection back.
3 It's not going to cause any
4 problems for people coming into the commercial
5 development to travel down what would be a very
6 short distance to enter into the commercial
7 development if their goal is to feed the
8 residential which is there, and I would offer as
9 an example if you've ever been to the commercial
10 development which is somewhat similar to this
11 that's on Randall Road off of Randall Road and
12 Route 38 or Roosevelt Road.
13 There is only two entrances to
14 come into that commercial center and they are
15 separated by actually significant distances, and
16 one is just an entrance only off of a side
17 street.
18 So there is support for the
19 fact that you don't need to have this additional
20 entrance and that it would alleviate the traffic
21 concerns that are being raised by the traffic
22 engineer.
23 One of the issues that
24 Mr. Filler had -- and this is a very significant
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1 issue, and we understand that to a certain degree
2 it's not the -- it's not the developer's issue,
3 but it needs to be raised here, and that's the
4 location of the police station.
5 We understand that the
6 developer is -- or my impression is that the
7 developer is donating that land and receiving
8 some kind of bonus density or some kind of relief
9 for donating that land.
10 The residents would strongly
11 object to the location of the police station
12 being at that location. They don't feel that
13 it's an appropriate spot for the police station.
14 Obviously that is not a
15 residential use, that's going to be -- would
16 almost border on an industrial use, with what
17 happens at a police station.
18 The developer talked or had it
19 on his list of things that were being addressed,
20 but when he was going over that list he didn't
21 mention it. I don't know if that was an
22 oversight or that was simply acknowledging that
23 to a certain extent they don't have control over
24 that property once it's donated, and we
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1 understand that.
2 To that extent, we would urge
3 the board to consider what uses can be achieved
4 with that spot. The land use as it stands, the
5 amount of land that is there, is significant, to
6 be sure.
7 The plan that we had originally
8 been provided showed a park, and then adjacent to
9 that park there were civic uses.
10 We would suggest that given the
11 nature of this commercial development and the
12 impact that it's going to have, the civic use
13 should be a park. It should totally be a park.
14 It should not be used as a police station or what
15 would be indicated on this plan as a civic use.
16 That would definitely increase the density.
17 There are other arguments that
18 I know that some of the residents who have lived
19 here for a long time would like to make regarding
20 the location of the police station, but from a
21 planning perspective, from a land planning
22 perspective, we would urge you to consider the
23 impact that that is going to have not only on the
24 residents of the Cannonball Trail Civic League,
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1 but also the adjacent residents and the residents
2 that you're going to have moving into this
3 subdivision.
4 With the traffic that's going
5 to be along Cannonball Trail, if that's going to
6 be what is a police station for emergency uses,
7 that's going to be a very inconvenient location
8 for that police station to be.
9 So we would strongly urge you
10 to not use that as a police station, but to take
11 that as a park and include that in the plan as a
12 park.
13 One of the things that -- it
14 wasn't really touched on tonight, and I think
15 it's relevant, and we definitely want to know
16 given the nature of the development, the
17 complexity of the development and certainly the
18 scope of the development, what the stormwater
19 management plan is, and obviously that has a
20 tremendous impact on any development.
21 The residents that are here
22 tonight surround this area, and I know that to a
23 certain extent we would say well, there is
24 obviously a large area of retention that's
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1 indicated on the plan. 18.92 acres is what my
2 plan shows. I don't know that that's the final.
3 But certainly when you are
4 creating that much impervious surface, the
5 stormwater management is definitely an issue, and
6 I don't know to what extent you have been
7 provided with information regarding stormwater
8 management.
9 We haven't heard any of that
10 tonight, and we would definitely encourage you to
11 please -- I would ask for a copy of whatever that
12 stormwater management plan is so that we can take
13 a look at that and figure out whether or not that
14 is going to create a problem.
15 I know the developer is going
16 to be extremely confident that it's not given his
17 18 -acre retention pond, but one of the things in
18 terms of a planning goal would be to perhaps take
19 and split up that detention pond and use it in a
20 way that would create a greater buffer for the
21 people on Cannonball Trail.
22 It's a open area of land. I
23 know that topography goes into that plan to be
24 certain, but to the extent that they have located
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1 the detention in one area to shield the
2 residential development that they want to build
3 and sell to the exclusion of the existing
4 residential development, when they say they've
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5 achieved perfect transitional zoning, it doesn't
6 necessarily give credence to that situation.
7 So those are the major topic
8 items that we wanted to raise. I do know that
9 there are several residents here that would like
10 to speak to you regarding some of their
11 individual concerns.
12 We heed your comment regarding
13 repetition in the hope of keeping our comments on
14 task here.
15 Oh. There was one question I
16 did want to ask the traffic engineer and I am
17 sure that he mentioned it, but I don't recall
18 what the answer was.
19 Was the intersection of
20 Route 34 and Cannonball Trail to be a signalized
21 intersection?
22 MR. WOODWARD: It is. It is now.
23 MR. BUCK: What is the nature of the
24 expansion of the intersection?
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1 MR. WOODWARD: What, improvements
2 proposed?
3 MR. BUCK: Yes.
4 MR. WOODWARD: As I mentioned, 34
5 would be widened to provide two through lanes in
6 each direction, and essentially there will be
7 left -turn lanes and -- a left -turn lane on all
8 four approaches and a right -turn lane on all four
9 approaches.
10 MR. BUCK: Again I would reiterate
11 that that type of massing of an intersection does
12 not lend itself to what they proposed as a
13 three -lane road, and that is not going to stay a
14 three -lane road.
15 It won't stay a three -lane road
16 if the police station is built because they will
17 definitely demand greater access, and then to
18 consider that there is going to be a METRA
19 station to the north, hopefully, that's what's
20 indicated ON the land use plan, that does not
21 support a minimal intrusion or a diminished
22 impact, it promotes a significant impact, and I
23 would ask you to take that into consideration.
24 Now what we would like to do,
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1 with the Chairman's permission, is to have those
2 residents that are here on behalf of the Civic
3 League to step forward if they choose to and
4 raise their own individual concerns.
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Do you have a
6 list of those people who wish to speak or do you
7 have them in any particular order?
8 MR. BUCK: I didn't have them in any
9 order, sir, I thought that as -- we have some
10 members that are more anxious to speak than
11 others and that will give the others a chance to
12 hear what has to be said so we don't have too
13 much repetition, and if somebody could direct me
14 to a copier, I will give you a copy.
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: See the staff
16 over here. Mr. Buck, just for the record, the
17 detention area on the copy that we got tonight,
18 the original one we saw was 18.92 acres, the one
19 tonight is 21.9 acres. That's just simply for
20 the record. I am not arguing one way or the
21 other.
22 MR. BUCK: No, I understand. I
23 haven't received the revised plan, so I don't
24 know what that is.
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Very good. And
2 we'll get copies for you.
3 MR. BUCK: Thank you.
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: At this time,
5 could I have somebody's hand that wishes to
6 speak? The gentleman towards the back. Yes.
7 MR. GILBERT: How far back?
8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: You are it.
9 WHEREUPON:
10 JOE GILBERT,
I
11 having been first duly sworn, testified before
12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
13 MR. GILBERT: My name is Joe
14 Gilbert, and I live in that little corner up in
15 the northeast next to the pump station and next
16 to the police station. I've got a number of
17 concerns, but some comments. Well, I'd like to
18 preference my comments with a concern in general.
19 One of the residents in the
20 Civic League told me this, and she would have to
21 verify it, but she approached a Yorkville
22 official with questions about the growth in
23 Yorkville, and his comment was, "Why do you care?
24 You're not in the city limits."
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1 That kind of raises a whole
2 sense of concern about the development in
3 general, but in this particular development, it
4 kind of reflects that attitude because the
5 transition development that they call for or
6 profess they have does not affect at all the
7 properties along Cannonball. That was stated
8 already. I'd like to expand on that point.
9 It's even worse than that
10 because many of these properties are estate -sized
11 lots, so you're going from estate -sized lots to
12 commercial retail. That's -- that's -- There is
13 no transition at all.
14 They talk about transition
15 going north; unfortunately those people are the
16 ones that are voting in Yorkville, so maybe
17 that's what they are concerned about.
18 If you take a look at that, the
19 development, the existing subdivision extends
20 west to about where that title says townhomes,
21 and the distance beyond that is still open and
22 vacant field, so their transition is going from
23 nothing to residential, so, you know, when they
24 talk about a perfect transition, there is a lot
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1 of things wrong with that statement.
2 Going from estate to commercial
3 and going from vacant land to residential, those
4 aren't transition developments, all right?
5 I think by switching this
6 around you can achieve both. Another comment
7 they made was they -- wanted the focus of this
8 development to be the northeast corner of Beecher
9 and 34.
10 There are no stores facing that
11 corner. You are looking at the back of Super
12 Target. Home Depot is facing Cannonball. So
13 their comment about the focal point is completely
14 contrary then to their plan.
15 The entire focal point is going
16 to Cannonball and 34, in that corner, so, you
17 know, their comments don't make sense with what
18 they are presenting.
19 Specific comments or concerns I
20 have, we had met them earlier and I had made a
21 concern about the run -off.
22 Currently that curved part of
23 my property is a run -off creek. I am guessing
24 about a third, maybe a fourth, of that field
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1 slopes toward my property.
2 Currently with the crops and
3 the land, a lot of that moisture from rain gets
4 absorbed. The creek is not in too bad of shape.
5 Their proposal changes that
6 completely. Now I've got a parking lot, I've got
7 grass, I've got rooftops. You know, a lot of
8 that run -off is now going to end up in my creek,
9 so pollution, run -off, the flooding concerns.
10 That's what detention areas are
11 supposed to control, and they don't offer that at
12 all for my property.
13 One of the comments they made
14 to me is oh, we've got all kinds of engineering
15 to show that's not an issue. I haven't seen any
16 of that, but I have a hard time believing the
17 engineering that could offer sloping uphill to
18 that retention pond.
19 I don't know how deep that
20 retention pond has to be to get that negative
21 slope, and that's hard for me to fathom that that
22 could be that deep to be successful. I guess
23 that's all.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
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1 you, Mr. Gilbert. Who would like to be next?
2 Another hand towards the back. Yes, sir.
3 WHEREUPON:
4 JOHN VESTER,
5 having been first duly sworn, testified before
6 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
7 MR. VESTER: My name is John Vester.
8 I live on Hickory Lane. And I would ask that if
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9 you do decide to line up one of the entrances
10 with Hickory Lane that you maybe consider it
11 being a right turn in and a right turn out only.
12 We have a very quaint, dead -end
13 street there, and I would certainly not like to
14 see a lot of traffic just wandering because it's
15 directly across Cannonball, and pulling in and
16 turning around in my driveway. I think you could
17 see where that might happen.
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Just to clarify
I
19 that, could I ask the traffic engineer, was that
20 proposed? Was that a right -in, right -out, or
21 not?
22 MR. WOODWARD: It's a full.
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: It's a full.
24 Okay. Thank you.
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1 MR. VESTER: The other thing that I
2 would ask -- and this is really not along the
3 lines of some of the concerns that have been
4 expressed -- but I would hope that during
5 construction of this project they would consider
6 using just local contractors so we support our
7 local economy so we don't end up with like the
8 apartment problem that we had in town here where,
9 you know, we just had license plates from all
10 over this country and all the money that was
11 earned went other places instead of into the
12 local economy here, so I would really like to
13 stress that, you know, maybe in their
14 leases and -- you know, I'm not sure of the exact
15 term I need to use here, but when they are
16 building it that it's required that they use
17 local contractors, you know, from the area and
18 local workers. That's all I have. Thank you.
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
20 you, John. Next? Lady right over there.
21 WHEREUPON:
22 JUDY VANT,
23 having been first duly sworn, testified before
24 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
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1 MS. VANT: My name is Judy Vant. I
2 live at 3630 Cannonball Trail. When this was
3 first presented at -- I believe it was at the
4 City Council meeting the first time, Rose Spears,
5 when talking about the amount of traffic,
6 immediately said well, then we should widen
7 Cannonball to four lanes and right now we are
8 discussing three lanes.
9 I am just past this project on
10 the east side of the road and I have five trees
11 that would be affected, three of them are within
12 eight feet of the end of the right -of -way right
13 now as it stands, so that's a concern for me.
14 That changes the total look of my property if all
15 of those trees were gone.
16 I have one other question. I
17 know that -- I believe it's mandated by the State
18 of Illinois regarding wetlands, any type
19 agricultural property is changed to a
20 non - agricultural use.
21 There are two large wet areas
22 that are very visible from 34 when there is no
23 crop in the wintertime.
24 Is it planned that there will
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1 be a proper study done of these two wetlands
2 prior to any final approval of this property?
3 MR. MILLER: That's actually already
4 been completed by the petitioner and was
5 submitted as part of their preliminary plans.
6 There is a wetland delineation
7 report as well as a wetland assessment of the
8 entire acreage, and that led to the siting of the
9 large detention feature that you see on the
10 plans.
11 MS. VANT: Thank you.
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you, Judy.
13 There was another hand off to the back over here
14 a minute ago. Yes, sir.
15 WHEREUPON:
16 STEVE BAZAN,
17 having been first duly sworn, testified before
18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
19 MR. BAZAN: Steve Bazan. I live on
20 Cannonball Trail. And she was right about the
21 wetland. You've got the Target building right on
22 top of the wetland and half of that parking lot
23 and also way up on the top of the land where that
24 is not an arrow pointing do, there is some
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1 letters on top, way up on top, there is a big wet
2 area up there.
3 And I farmed this land for 25
4 years, so I know a little bit about it, and the
5 pond that they have recommended for a retention
6 pond is on the highest ground on the whole field,
7 so that's what I am saying.
8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thanks, Dave.
9 Way in the back. Vernon.
10 WHEREUPON:
11 VERNON WITTE,
12 having been first duly sworn, testified before
13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
14 MR. WITTE: To the north there is a
15 field that has houses built on it. The last time
16 in 1 95 we had a flood, that whole field was under
17 water two and a half feet. All of it.
18 So they put a little bit of a
19 retention pond on the far side there. Once this
20 is done, that means that everything there is
21 going to be asphalt, so the retention, is that
22 going to bleed off into the creek? It's all
23 going to stay on there? There will be no pipes
24 to anything leaving the property?
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1 MR. STUEPFERT: No, it will.
2 MR. WITTE: You will what?
3 MR. STUEPFERT: There will be a slow
4 release out of the basin.
5 MR. WITTE: So you are going to
6 release to the creek.
7 MR. STUEPFERT: To the south. To
8 the river.
9 MR. WITTE: So you are going
10 straight south to the Fox River, you're not going
11 to Blackberry Creek at all.
12 Because that's very important.
13 Because, like I said, we have pictures in '95 of
14 that whole subdivision under water, two and a
15 half feet of water.
16 So there is an extreme amount
17 of water that comes down through there when it
18 rains real heavy and that needs to be addressed
19 severely. It's not a big enough pond.
20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Lady over
21 here.
22 WHEREUPON:
23 TINA LINDSTRAND,
24 having been first duly sworn, testified before
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1 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
2 MS. LINDSTRAND: My name is Tina
3 Lindstrand. I live in 2388 Sumac Drive, and
4 that's in the Whispering Meadows subdivision.
5 I have two different questions.
6 One of them is that I haven't heard anything
7 being addressed about the traffic in regards to
8 the truck traffic for goods being shipped to
9 these locations, whether they are restaurants or
10 retail, and if Cannonball Trail is going to
11 remain at the limitations they are at or if
12 that's going to change because, you know, I'd
13 hate to see that occur. So I don't know if
14 anybody can address that.
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Would you care
16 to address that now or would you like to wait?
17 MR. FILLER: We'll wait.
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay.
19 MR. WITTE: And the second thing is
20 whatever happens with this facility, I live way
21 up north and I see a lot of pedestrian traffic on
22 Cannonball Trail right now and, as you know,
23 there is no shoulder, there is no sidewalks,
24 nothing, and I've seen kids go back and forth on
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1 skateboards to the skate park, to the churches.
2 I've seen a mother with her baby carrier in the
3 back of her bike riding.
4 You know, I just -- I don't
5 know if that can be addressed no matter what
6 happens with this facility because it's --
7 traffic is going to increase regardless as
8 Yorkville grows, period, but I'd hate to see
9 something happen there that could be avoided if
10 there is some sidewalk or path or something put
11 in.
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Very
13 good. Thank you, Tina. Before we come back to
14 you, is there somebody else before we go a second
15 round? Yes, sir. Gentleman over here.
16 WHEREUPON:
17 BOB CLACK,
18 having been first duly sworn, testified before
19 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
20 MR. CLACK: My name is Bob Clack and
21 I live at 3974 Cannonball Trail. Originally my
22 driveway would have been almost directly across
23 from the first proposed entrance off of
24 Cannonball Trail. I see they have moved that up
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1 to Hickory Lane.
2 Well, that helps me, but it
3 doesn't help my neighbor to the north. They're
4 going to have the same problem I was.
5 I understand they want a four
6 stop sign. If that's the case --
7 MR. FILLER: No.
8 MR. CLACK: Is it a sign or a light?
9 MR. FILLER: Nothing.
10 MR. CLACK: Nothing?
11 MR. FILLER: Just --
12 MR. WOODWARD: On Hickory Lane and
13 Cannonball Trail remains free.
14 MR. CLACK: Anyway, the traffic
15 problem will move further north of me. It will
16 alleviate my problem a little, but my neighbor
17 two houses to the north will have the same
18 problem I was going have, she won't be able to
19 get out on the road.
20 There will be so much traffic
21 she will constantly have to wait and wait and
22 wait, so that is one of my concerns.
23 The traffic on that road should
24 not be increased. It's just not a big enough
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1 road.
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
3 you. Gentleman over here, please.
4 WHEREUPON:
5 DON HAWKY,
6 having been first duly sworn, testified before
7 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
8 MR. HAWKY: Don Hawky (phonetic).
9 1184 Western Lane. I would be to the north of
10 this.
11 Just to clarify things, which
12 plan are we looking at? Because the one that I
13 was presented tonight is totally different than
14 what is shown right there.
15 The one that is shown right
16 there is the one that I received at the very
17 beginning of this, of -- not tonight's meeting.
18 Tonight's meeting is this one. Is this the
19 newest version or is that? Is it going to stay
20 that way?
21 MR. FILLER: It's going to change
22 again. And part of this process, the public
23 process, is to listen to your concerns and to
24 make changes that reflect your concerns as best
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1 as we can, and so what you are seeing when you
2 see the plan changing and you see this road going
3 from here up to here, it means we are listening
4 to the concerns, and by the time we get through
5 this public process, is that hopefully that we
6 have met the challenges of the site and done the
7 best we can to reflect the concerns of the
8 citizens.
9 MR. HAWKY: What I'm asking, though,
10 is this the latest version because --
11 MR. FILLER: As of today, yes.
12 MR. HAWKY: Because I would have a
13 concern with this road right here, which would be
14 Highpoint.
15 MR. FILLER: This would be closer to
16 the plan today.
17 MR. HAWKY: Okay. So my concern
18 would be Highpoint Ridge. I would not want that
19 to be a through -way like it is in this plan.
20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I'm sorry, which
21 road?
22 MR. HAWKY: Be Highpoint Ridge.
23 THE AUDIENCE: High Ridge.
24 MR. HAWKY: High Ridge?
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1 MR. SCHILLINGER: Which is High
2 Ridge?
3 MR. HAWKY: It's actually in the
4 middle.
5 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: To
6 the right.
7 MR. SCHILLINGER: You are stubbed
8 now, right?
9 MR. HAWKY: Correct, correct. But
10 once it's built, it will be a through -way.
11 MR. SCHILLINGER: But it was stubbed
12 for future expansion.
13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER:
14 Residential.
15 MR. HAWKY: The first plan I saw it
16 came to a T. I'd be fine with a T. You know, it
17 came up to houses and then split apart.
18 I don't really like it way it
19 flows straight through this way. I think we
20 would have a major problem with traffic speeding
21 through there.
22 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: We
23 have a problem with traffic speeding now.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We have somebody
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1 at the microphone. Please.
2 MR. HAWKY: So that's obviously one
3 concern of mine with this plan.
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I understand. I
5 understand.
6 MR. HAWKY: Another concern is we
7 would like to see the multi - family housing to
8 stay single- family if at all possible, you know.
9 I would not like to look out my
10 backyard and see townhomes, apartment complexes,
11 I would like to see all that stay single- family,
12 preferably detached single - family, if possible,
13 but if we can make these higher end and just
14 single- family, you know, to stay with what's in
15 our neighborhood, that would be nice.
16 Another concern is, you know,
17 obviously lighting and the restaurant, the smell
18 of the restaurant.
19 Right now I have a nice breeze
20 going through my house, don't need air
21 conditioning. I think that will change
22 dramatically once the restaurants start cooking,
23 a lot of grease in the air. You know, how are
24 those going to be handled? And I think that's
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1 about it.
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
3 you. Right down the middle.
4 WHEREUPON:
5 GARY MATLOCK,
6 having been first duly sworn, testified before
7 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
8 MR. MATLOCK: Gary Matlock, 3960
9 Cannonball Trail. I live just next house north
10 of Mr. Bob Clack, and I agree with the proposed
11 change of Bob's point to that southern entrance
12 off of Cannonball that they moved from -- that
13 splits our two driveways, you know, right -in,
14 right -out only up to Hickory, okay?
15 I also agree that -- Mr. Vester
16 was up earlier, he lives directly behind me off
17 of Hickory, that that change would affect --
18 could affect the six or seven residents that live
19 on that dead -end Hickory Lane.
20 Also, Mr. Bazan and Ms. Olson,
21 who live on each corner on the east side of
22 Cannonball where that proposed relocation of that
23 west entrance and east exit off of that property,
24 they would be more affected now than I or
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1 Mr. Clack.
2 I am concerned also about any
3 type of change along Cannonball because I have
4 incurred an expense of putting in a turn around
5 so I can -- my wife and I can pull out 24/7, 365,
6 onto Cannonball, right or left, because of Bob --
7 point to about where that little rise of -- just
8 north of Hickory is.
9 MR. CLACK: Right here.
10 MR. MATLOCK: Yep. At 45 miles an
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11 hour, which we know is obeyed, and then you add a
I
12 proposed Yorkville police station, now we'll have
13 Kendall County and Yorkville Police half a mile
14 apart and emergency vehicles, and there is no
15 support, safety support, on the south side of
16 town, and I live right about -- show them right
17 where we live.
18 I have been there 15 years,
19 Mr. Clack has been there 43?
20 MR. CLACK: 43, yes.
21 MR. MATLOCK: So other than watching
22 all the people pull into Hickory and turn around
23 back where Mrs. Price lives, Mrs. Price is the
24 last house on the left -- actually Mr. Clack's,
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1 my driveway, all the people are incurring a lot
2 more people turning around going north, oops, got
3 to go back out over south, or going south, oops,
4 got to go back north.
5 As well as I just saw two
6 18- wheelers turn around on -- Bob, show them the
7 corner -- of the ERM, two 18- wheelers do a 360
8 and go back to 34. You know why? Menard's is
9 now the third light westbound from Yorkville.
10 I enjoy seeing the speed limit
11 signs being placed after the resurfacing of
12 Cannonball from 34 to --
13 MR. CLACK: 47.
14 MR. MATLOCK: Yeah, and the lines
15 and the lighting improvements, okay, and the
16 tonnage limit replaced, although that hasn't been
17 obeyed, a sign off of 34, north and south.
18 One last point, being a teacher
19 and a grandfather and now a father and now a
20 grandfather, step - grandfather, all that, I now
21 have a three -year old on this one -acre lot that I
22 own, and I've got -- thanks to previous problems,
23 I've got an electric fence up to keep my two
24 Dalmations in and off of 34 and other people's
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1 residence at my thousand dollar expense.
2 I put a thousand dollars in a
3 turn around just to get by so I could pull out on
4 Cannonball Trail safely, particularly in winter,
5 bad weather.
6 And now with a three -year old,
7 I am thinking about having to put up a fence
8 because traffic does not go 45 down there,
9 particularly police traffic, and proposed city
10 police traffic, to keep my three -year old adopted
11 child now safe.
12 And other people that live
13 along the east side of Cannonball, north and
14 south, I understand there is a lot of new
15 residents north of me, but the safety concern and
16 the traffic concern, which is a problem, has been
17 a problem and is a problem now.
18 I've had some near misses, and
19 to prevent that, I wish you would listen to my
20 concern, and particularly for the pedestrian
21 traffic that's there, along with all the other
22 children north and south on that road. Thank
23 you.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you, Gary.
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1 Let's take the one lady over on your far right.
2 WHEREUPON:
3 JULIE DANFORTH,
4 having been first duly sworn, testified before
5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
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6 MS. DANFORTH: Hi. I am Julie
7 Danforth. I live at Kylyn's Ridge. I had a
8 question in regards to there is like a little
9 road next to the park there.
10 Is that for parking or -- I
11 know it doesn't show through, but I was just
12 wondering what that was for.
13 MR. FILLER: It actually connects to
14 the stub road that's currently there right next
15 to the park.
16 MS. DANFORTH: There is no parking
17 next to the road. There is this one, but what is
18 this right here?
19 MR. FILLER: Nothing.
20 MS. DANFORTH: Why would it be there
21 then?
22 MR. FILLER: It's probably not
23 there. Does this connect? Is there a road?
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Could you point
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1 out --
2 MR. FILLER: I'm sorry, where we're
3 talking. It's not showing on that plan. I'm
4 sorry.
5 MR. MILLER: Single - family lots,
6 which --
7 MR. FILLER: Travis, it's not --
8 it's not there.
9 MS. DANFORTH: Okay.
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Did we answer
11 your question?
12 MS. DANFORTH: It's not there.
13 Okay. I was just wondering what effect that
14 would have on the park.
15 Also, too, I don't know if you
16 could address this question, but between the
17 single- family housing and Kylyn's Ridge there was
18 proposed a bike path by the park district, and
19 the park district does own the land, I believe 30
20 feet if I'm correct.
21 Do we know what's going on with
22 that? Is there going to be -- Would these
23 single - family housing butt up to the
24 single- family housing in Kylyn's?
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1 MR. MILLER: That 30 foot would
2 remain, that's part of the Kylyn's subdivision
3 plat. That's part of the subdivision. That's
4 not part of the petitions or plans that are up
5 for consideration tonight, so that strip of land
6 will remain regardless of what happens to the
7 property to the south of that.
8 MS. DANFORTH: Okay. So we don't
9 know yet. Would that be a better question for
10 the park district, what they are planning on
11 that?
12 MR. MILLER: Would be as the future
13 of this unfolds to the south and as the alignment
14 of that trail that is determined, the most
15 appropriate location will be identified. At this
16 point --
17 MS. DANFORTH: There is a proposed
18 bike path to go through there, okay.
19 MR. MILLER: Right. And the land
20 was actually dedicated to the city, to the park
21 board, for purposes of a bike trail, so at this
22 point that will be a bike trail.
23 MS. DANFORTH: Okay. Two final
24 questions. The Home Depot, where it is located,
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1 I would -- as a consumer myself would want to
2 turn down Cannonball and not go through 34 to go
3 through all those outlets, so I could see the
4 concern there with the traffic that they're going
5 to either go down to whatever that would be
6 called, Hickory Lane, or the next proposed
7 intersection there, and I didn't know -- the
8 thoughts to -- that maybe flipping over to
9 Beecher, if they're going to make that more the
10 center of your development and things like that,
11 because people aren't going to go driving through
12 34 through all those lots to Home Depot.
13 And then also, too, on this
14 proposed one, I didn't see, there was a movie
15 theater proposed. That has now been eliminated?
16 MR. FILLER: Correct.
17 MS. DANFORTH: Okay. Thank you.
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you.
19 Gentleman over here, please.
20 WHEREUPON:
21 OTTO KOCH,
22 having been first duly sworn, testified before
23 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
24 MR. KOCH: My name is Otto Koch. I
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1 live at 3524 Cannonball Trail. I have the third
2 house past this, and I'm going to talk a little
3 bit about traffic.
4 The real problem on Cannonball
5 is there is too much traffic already. It's
6 really not about the shopping center.
7 And the solution to that
8 problem would be to complete Beecher, even though
9 that is also not their responsibility, make that
10 a major thoroughfare and downgrade Cannonball
11 Trail to take traffic off instead of add it on.
12 I'd also like to address that
13 exit, the second exit. Part of the problem of
14 that exit is coming out. It's going to go right
15 into somebody's living room.
16 Now, my house happens to be
17 adjacent to what is now Alice, and it just comes
18 out of the corner of my property, so those lights
19 aren't shining in my window, but 24 hours a day
20 you see the lights go flashing by the window,
21 sometimes in your face.
22 Well, if the house is right in
23 front of that, it's going to be very severely
24 impacted by exiting traffic, and something needs
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1 to be done about that. That's not fair to most
2 of these people.
3 I am the newcomer on Cannonball
4 Trail. I have only lived here for 15 years.
5 Most of the other people on Cannonball Trail have
6 lived there for over 35 years.
7 Almost all of the people who
8 spoke tonight have lived here for a very long
9 time, long before Yorkville ever thought it would
10 grow like this, and it's really not fair, even
11 though they are not in the city, to ignore their
12 concerns, and I certainly hope you don't.
13 Things like those lights coming
14 out on their houses, those houses are closer to
15 the road, they are going to be more impacted.
16 We need to do something to cut
17 the traffic, and I don't see how that can be done
18 unless there is another road built for the
19 purpose.
20 Lastly, just one question, on
21 that setback. My property goes to the center of
22 Cannonball Trail.
23 Does your property go to the
24 center of Cannonball Trail?
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1 MR. FILLER: No. No, our setback --
2 MR. KOCH: Because if you are
3 measuring from the center of Cannonball Trail to
4 the property, you are losing a bunch of yards
5 right away, and that would be something to
6 consider. All right. That's all I have to say.
7 Thank you.
8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: All right.
9 Thank you. Gentleman here in the first row.
10 WHEREUPON:
11 ARTHUR CRAWFORD,
12 having been first duly sworn, testified before
13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
14 MR. CRAWFORD: My name is Arthur
15 Crawford and I live on 20 Hickory Lane, Yorkville
16 mailing address.
17 I am looking at this plan and I
18 see the single- family housing separated from the
19 business section and the multi- family housing
20 separated from the business section, and all I do
21 is I is submit a petition that you give the same
22 considerations to the people along Cannonball
23 Trail as you do to the people that are going to
24 buy the housing in this plan.
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1 This plan fairly well separates
2 the housing from the business section. That's
3 all the people on Cannonball are asking. Please.
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
5 you. Back here, please.
6 WHEREUPON:
7 ERIC DANFORTH,
8 having been first duly sworn, testified before
9 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
10 MR. DANFORTH: Eric Danforth, 11
11 Hickory Lane, and I'd like to follow up on a
12 point made just a moment ago by Mr. Koch, and
13 that is, you know, Cannonball Trail is largely
14 from 47 to 34 residential, and I would say very
15 much low to medium density housing at that.
16 Putting in a police station and
17 a commercial -type development in the remaining
18 open space along that road doesn't match up with
19 any textbook or any evidence of good planning
20 that I have seen in other communities in the
21 Chicago suburbs in the area.
22 I think it is very possible for
23 this development to go through with Beecher Road,
24 though, being the focal point as we heard
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1 recently, and I can throw -- I can think of a few
2 examples in my mind where that's taken place.
3 If you think of U.S. 34 over in
4 Oswego, most of that fronts 34, most of the
5 entrances. A secondary entrance is Douglas Road
6 and that is undeveloped; Cannonball Trail is
7 mostly developed.
8 Another one, State Route 59 and
9 95th, which I think is a development that this
10 organization has put together, which involves I
11 think a movie theater.
12 95th to the east of 59 is a
13 four -lane divided highway with turn lanes down
14 the middle, which is exactly what Beecher Road is
15 destined to be.
16 I kind of think, though, that
17 with Beecher Road not going through already at
18 this time that Cannonball Trail is kind of
19 designed to be -- to cripple along for access to
20 this development until Beecher is done, but I
21 think once we do that, once we open up those turn
22 lanes into the development, the damage is already
23 done and those entrances will be there forever
24 and the traffic pattern will stay. Thank you.
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you. Yes,
2 sir. At this time I would ask after this
3 gentleman speaks if there is any new concerns.
4 I think we have heard the
5 concerns, we are starting to get repetitive on
6 it. I believe we understand the position many of
7 you are taking, so if there are some new
8 concerns, that's what I'd like to hear.
9 WHEREUPON:
10 CHRIS FUNKHOUSER,
11 having been first duly sworn, testified before
12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
13 MR. FUNKHOUSER: Chris Funkhouser,
14 903 Canyon Trail. Just a few quick comments.
15 I think this plan was done
16 pretty well by the petitioner. They have
17 addressed a lot of the issues that were raised
18 previously, so I would like to commend them on
19 that. They have tried to address our comments.
20 But I do think that if they
21 could possibly look at some of these issues that
22 were mentioned, flipping the development possibly
23 to front onto Beecher, as that is to be the
24 larger road of the two that they are fronting on,
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1 I think that may be ultimately something that
2 will benefit their development overall.
3 Especially with the fact that
4 Beecher is intended to extend up to Faxon, which
5 we know will be extended out to Route 47 with
6 their realignment.
7 I think that is something that
8 they should really look at, since those two roads
9 are going to be the major connections to this
10 portion of the town.
11 Also, with the amount of
12 pavement that we have here, I think that the
13 developer should consider bioswales and
14 filtration systems in order to remove heavy
15 metals from this parking to get that into their
16 stormwater and also help the watershed, so we
17 don't have negative impacts here.
18 Also just one comment on the
19 trail that was on the south side of Kylyn's
20 Ridge. I believe the original intent was to have
21 30 feet dedicated from Kylyn's and then an
22 additional 50 from this development as to create
23 a large trail that would go over to the
24 north /south trail around Rob Roy Creek.
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Thank
2 you. Tom.
3 WHEREUPON:
4 TOM PRICE,
5 having been first duly sworn, testified before
6 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
7 MR. PRICE: I am Tom Price, and I
8 have lived in Yorkville a long time, over 40
9 years. Our present home at 29 Hickory Lane, we
10 have been there probably 34, 35 years.
11 I have a question. Was someone
12 on your property today?
13 WHEREUPON:
14 JIM SNYDER,
15 having been first duly sworn, testified before
16 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
17 MR. SNYDER: Not that we are aware
18 of.
19 MR. PRICE: Okay. Well, I want to
20 report this then, that someone was.
21 And are you going to use
22 Hickory Lane as a parking lot for your
23 construction equipment?
24 MR. SNYDER: No.
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1 MR. PRICE: Okay. That happened
2 today. And I'm kind of a tidy person, I like to
3 keep my place and my drive and my sidewalks
4 clean.
5 Well, now there is mud on
6 Hickory Lane from a Bobcat that was on your
7 property, so you might want to check that out.
8 So already you're not a good neighbor.
9 (Laughter)
10 MR. PRICE: I taught marketing, and
11 there is three secrets in marketing. That's
12 location, location, location.
13 If I was going to invest all
14 the money and time and energy that you people are
15 in this project, I would want a better location.
16 I would want major highways like 34, 47, not a
17 country road like Cannonball.
18 Okay. Why am I saying that,
19 okay? I'm not going to be here forever and
20 neither are you.
21 You have comprehensive plans,
22 people go by them. I think you need to follow
23 them.
24 And it's been stated by
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1 officials that the commercial area should be like
2 on the east side of 47.
3 Okay. Strip malls, they are
4 the in- thing, okay? We accept those. On 34 and
5 Cannonball Trail on the south side, there is some
6 nice buildings and so forth, okay? That's all
7 right, and they bring in economic dollars for the
8 City of Yorkville. Okay.
9 Boy, was I in for a shock. The
10 first time the signs for the buildings went on,
11 when I pulled back into our lane, headed towards
12 my house, big bright lights. I mean, big
13 letters. And so it's like a big nightlight for
14 us, and we're a ways off of 34. So I really
15 don't think that was real considerate, but that's
16 the way it is.
17 And then I was somewhere -- as
18 I am always somewhere -- I noticed that a lot of
19 places they don't have big signs, and why do you
20 have such big signs on 34? But that's besides
21 the point. That has nothing to do with this.
22 So what I'm saying is that I'm
23 for progress, and we've had shopping centers
24 before and got a lot of good ideas.
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1 I think we need to pull them
2 together and let people cooperate and work
3 together and pick out the best location for this
4 and make a lot of people happy.
5 Don't dump on people that have
6 been in the community, have served the community,
7 and will continue to do so regardless of what
8 happens because we care about the community.
9 So, please, plan. Discuss it
10 with us. Don't try and pull something. That's
11 not going to work.
12 And we have learned a lot from
13 this and many other things, and Cannonball Trail
14 I don't want to turn it into a construction zone,
15 which it will, and after that there's just going
16 to be more traffic, more traffic, and I just kind
17 of laugh when I see the semis, you know, turn
18 around on Cannonball. Bless their hearts because
19 they recognize the sign that they are wrong and
20 so they admit it and go away.
21 So, people, it's up to you.
22 You can make good decisions or you can make some
23 that aren't so good. So thank you.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you,
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1 Tom.
2 (Applause)
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I see one more
4 hand. Is this a new concern now? I see two
5 hands, excuse me. Is this a new concern? Okay.
6 Would you please come forward?
7 WHEREUPON:
8 MICHELLE PITSTICK,
9 having been first duly sworn, testified before
10 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
11 MS. PITSTICK: I am Michelle
12 Pitstick from 963 Western Lane. I had several,
13 but they have been covered quite well by
14 everyone.
15 Because these plans have
16 changed, I was looking to get a little bit better
17 time line on the commercial versus residential
18 growth, what kind of time frame we are looking
19 at.
20 The other thing is I'd like to
21 know is what kind of developers we have
I
22 entertained for these homes. I am concerned
23 about my property value. Thanks.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I saw one more
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1 hand in the back.
2 WHEREUPON:
3 MARY ANN KAWCZYNSKI,
4 having been first duly sworn, testified before
5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows:
6 MS. KAWCZYNSKI: Hi. My name is
7 Mary Ann Kawczynski, and I live at the other end
8 of Cannonball, 3193.
9 My sister and I were the ones
10 that went out and solicited all the signatures on
11 the petition, and the response was overwhelming,
12 let me sign right now, you know, and I think we
13 got a couple refusals.
14 One was a teenager that wanted
15 Cannonball widened and the other was an alderman
16 who couldn't sign, so that was about it.
17 I want to thank you for that
18 presentation. It made me want to go shopping
19 right now, it sounded so good, but I really would
20 rather drive eight miles.
21 (Laughter)
22 MS. KAWCZYNSKI: I guess I want to
23 talk about the widening of Cannonball because
24 that's an issue where I live.
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1 We are the first house off of
2 47, west of 47. I know they are going to have
3 some venture looming there soon, so the road
4 needs to be widened, but we have not been
5 notified, asked or anything. We have barriers
6 across our front lawn already without any
7 notification.
8 I was told that -- Well, I talk
9 to everybody in this whole area, but the city
10 told the developer to pay for the widening, the
11 developer didn't know that it was private land he
12 was going onto, and, you know, it was just the
13 run around, but if they can do that in our end of
14 Cannonball, you know, I just see eventually it's
15 going to be a highway, and it's very sad, you
16 know.
17 We came here from Chicago for
18 like peace and quiet. The first year we were
19 fighting a gas station next door.
20 It's like -- you know, it's --
21 and today I spent a good part of my afternoon
22 with a three -year old that cut the tip of her
23 finger almost off. She got it caught in our
24 recliner. I had to drive all the way to Sandwich
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1 and had to wait there in the emergency room.
2 There is no immediate care -- I
3 know this has nothing to do with you -- no
4 immediate care center in the area. So maybe if
5 you donate that land to an immediate care center,
6 I'd be more for it. Thanks a lot.
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Carl, one more
8 time, then that's it. I think -- I'm sorry, not
9 Carl. Joe. I'm sorry.
10 MR. GILBERT: Thank you. Apologize
11 for the second visit. The home value, I had
12 realtors come by to try to get an idea of the
13 impact on this.
14 One realtor suggested $50,000
15 impact on my property value because this is going
16 to go in, so this is real to me.
17 Also, on the Cannonball, when
18 talking to developers earlier, I don't blame them
19 for putting those exits on there because they had
20 been approached by apparently a Yorkville
21 official wanting to use Cannonball because
22 Beecher is not ready, and to me that's a wrong
23 approach.
24 Beecher is going to be built to
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1 handle the traffic for a short -term of
2 inconvenience because it's only going to come off
3 of 34, seems to be a better solution than a
4 long -term negative effect on a lot of people
5 along Cannonball. Thank you.
6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay.
7 MR. MATLOCK: Sir, critical point,
8 15 seconds.
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. After
10 this, I'm going to ask the developer to respond.
11 MR. MATLOCK: Thank you. Gary
12 Matlock. Bob, point to the west side of the
13 proposed -- what's that?
14 MR. CLACK: Beecher.
15 MR. MATLOCK: Beecher. I would --
16 What we spent the last hour talking about, I
17 would like to know the status of the two or 300
18 acres that are west of Beecher, what the -- how
19 it's zoned or what the status is versus the east
20 side of Cannonball.
21 MR. MILLER: You are speaking
22 about --
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I'm sorry, west
24 of Beecher?
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1 MR. MILLER: West of Beecher?
2 MR. MATLOCK: Yeah. The proposed
3 development is about 200 acres west of
4 Cannonball.
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: West of
6 Cannonball.
7 MR. MATLOCK: Yeah, what's there,
8 that's about 200 acres. West of Beecher is about
9 another two or 300 acres, but it's right now full
10 of corn and beans. I'd like to know that status.
11 Agriculture?
12 MR. MILLER: That's currently
13 unincorporated, so it is zoned Kendall County.
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Kendall County.
15 MR. MATLOCK: Okay. But Beecher is
16 going to go north and south and split that?
17 MR. MILLER: Correct.
18 MR. MATLOCK: Thank you.
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Greg, do you
20 care to respond to some of this?
21 MR. FILLER: Certainly. I will keep
22 my comments brief also. As it relates to
23 stormwater management, stormwater management
24 principles, it will be done in accordance to your
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1 ordinance, stormwater ordinance, Kendall County
2 stormwater ordinance.
3 Smith Engineering actually has
4 their office across the street from the site.
5 They understand the site and will follow all
6 applicable rules and regulations. We don't need
7 a shopping center that you can't shop at because
8 it's flooded.
9 As it relates to taking this
10 city's tax dollars eight miles out of the town is
11 a bad idea for growth. What this shopping center
12 does is create a financial vehicle for this
13 village to grow with tremendous residential
14 growth, which is what is occurring here, and to
15 benefit the school districts and other public
16 improvements.
17 As it relates to the process,
18 we continue to work with the process and the park
19 district.
20 Our most recent discussion with
21 the park district is actually dedicating 4.4
22 acres of land to enhance the current Cannonball
23 park that exists there, so when you see the plan,
24 as we grow this plan, and as we complete this
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1 plan, the improvements and -- that are being
2 asked for are already in the works.
3 It was asked what is the timing
4 of this project. We want to complete -- we want
5 to get through this project very quickly. We
6 want to get through this process very quickly.
7 It is our plan to break ground
8 this year. Our plan is to provide a developable
9 pad for our retailers by March 1st of '07.
10 As it relates to the type of
11 housing and who the housing will be developed by,
12 we will most likely go out to an RFP, we will --
13 a request for proposal, to other housing
14 developers.
15 I can say one the Harlem Irving
16 Company itself is a recognized residential
17 developer, and should it come to that point, we
18 will develop it ourselves.
19 I think we have hit on most of
20 the other things. The other thing is
21 transitional zoning. When you really think about
22 it, look what we have done, creating a 50 -foot
23 buffer, not putting the back of the Target to
24 those residents, we put the -- we placed the
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1 Target as far away with their back to Beecher for
2 a reason, because what we're doing is creating
3 that transition from that single- family home to
4 that large buffer to that berm to the smaller
5 outlot users to a ring road that's internal, and
6 then to the parking lot.
7 I believe our plan is well
8 thought out. And don't forget, there is also
9 going to be transitional zoning right here. I
10 just noticed a single- family home that was
11 currently knocked down along Cannonball Trail
12 within the last month that sat right here, so
13 what you're going to have here, you're also going
14 to have commercial zoning that abuts
15 single- family homes, and so what's going to
16 happen when you have a main commercial corridor
17 as you do with Veteran's, not Cannonball Trail,
18 is that there has to be some type of a conflict
19 and what we're trying to do here is minimize that
20 conflict as well as possible.
21 As I suggested in our first
22 meeting, Harlem Irving Company is a 50 -year old
23 company, and it's a 50 -year old company because
24 we currently -- we still own the first asset that
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1 we built. We own many assets through the
2 Chicagoland area.
3 We just went through one of the
4 greatest real estate growths in the history of
5 the United States, where cap rates caused most
6 developers to sell their assets. We sold none.
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7 We plan on being part of this
8 community for the next 50 years or more, and we
9 appreciate the community's concern, and, as you
10 can see, we are the type of developer that are
11 also going to be an integral part of this
12 community for the next 50 years, and we want to
13 be a good citizen and we want to be good
14 neighbors and we're going to go through this
15 process to create that. Thank you.
16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Thank you.
17 Vern?
18 MR. WITTE: The only thing I'd like
19 to clarify again, no water would go to anywhere
20 but the Fox River?
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We are going to
22 talk about that.
23 MR. WITTE: Okay. And the other one
24 is -
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Please. We're
2 going to talk about it.
3 Okay. At this time I would
4 entertain a motion to close the public hearing.
5 MS. LUCIETTO: So moved.
6 MR. JONES: So moved. Second.
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: It's been moved
8 and seconded. Further discussion?
9 (No Response)
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none,
11 those in favor signify by saying aye.
12 (A Chorus of Ayes)
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion passes.
14 (discussion had off
15 the record)
16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: At this time
17 then I would accept a motion to go into public
18 hearing.
19 MR. KRAUPNER: So moved.
20 MS. LUCIETTO: Second.
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Moved and
22 seconded to go to public hearing. Any
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24 (No response)
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1 MR. JONES: What motion?
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion to go to
3 public hearing.
4 MR. JONES: Sure, why not?
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none,
6 those in favor signify by saying aye.
7 (A Chorus of Ayes)
8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed?
9 (No Response)
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: We are now in
11 public hearing for PC 2005 -44, Donald E. Schramm
12 and Standard Bank & Trust as trustee under a
13 certain agreement dated 4- 01 -04, and known as
14 trust number 18130, petitioners, have filed an
15 application with the United City of Yorkville,
16 Kendall County, Illinois, requesting annexation
17 to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from
18 Kendall County A -1 Agricultural to the United
19 City of Yorkville Planned Unit Development,
20 zoning to allow uses permitted in the commercial,
21 office and residential districts.
22 The real property consists of
23 approximately 182.25 acres at 9338 Bypass 30,
24 Bristol Township, Kendall County, Illinois.
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1 And is there anybody from the
2 public that wishes to address the Commission?
3 We'll need to have you sworn in at this time.
4 (No Response)
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: If not, I guess
6 we'll just take staff comments.
7 MR. MILLER: Okay.
8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Travis?
9 MR. MILLER: Do you want to refer to
10 July 7th? These are revised staff comments in
11 your packet.
12 General comments. This is a
13 unique situation in some sorts. At this point in
14 time, this is -- this particular situation or
15 this property owner was -- the city had actually
16 requested the property owner to annex to the City
17 of Yorkville.
18 The zoning appropriate for this
19 property is PUD, keeping in mind the new PUD
20 ordinance, based on the mix of uses recommended
21 by the Comprehensive Plan for the area, as well
22 as the plan that's been prepared by the
23 petitioner showing mixed uses.
24 The property consists of
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1 approximately 175 acres. This includes the land
2 area between Rob Roy Creek and 47, which isn't
3 clear on the concept plan as submitted. I wanted
4 to make sure I highlighted that.
5 This property does go west of
6 Route 47 all the way to Rob Roy Creek, so if you
7 look at the aerial photo of the concept plan, you
8 can see the line of trees is Rob Roy Creek, the
9 property line and the zoning in the packet as
10 shows that description includes that. I wanted
11 to make sure that's clear.
12 The Comprehensive Plan
13 recommendations for the area is everything north
14 of the ComEd lines, which is basically just to
15 the south of the mid - portion of this property to
16 the south of what's proposed for commercial.
17 Everything to the north of that
18 line is recommended as commercial planned use in
19 the Comprehensive Plan and everything south of
20 those lines is recommended as transitional
21 neighborhood. You will recall a gross density of
22 three and a half units per acre.
23 The concept plan is
24 substantially consistent with the Comprehensive
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1 Plan. We will point out that there is an error
2 on the concept plan. The total number of units
3 should read 506, not 810, that's listed on the
4 concept plan.
5 The density is also incorrect,
6 3.8 units per acre, with a unit count proposed,
7 the acreage amounts depicted -- with the acreage
8 amounts depicted on the concept plan, yield gross
9 density of 5.16 units per acre. That's ON the
10 high side multi - family condo. That's the 18 -acre
11 planned use that's recommended for the
12 multi - family condo use.
13 Keep in mind the Comprehensive
14 Plan is recommending all of that to be
15 commercial, so this is showing residential there,
16 but it is higher density.
17 The most intense zoning
18 classification is currently R -4. R -4 zoning does
19 permit eight units per acre.
20 At the time the city began
21 discussions with this property owner, the zoning
22 ordinance permitted 12 units per acre under the
23 R -4 zoning.
24 The proposed 18 -acre
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1 multi- family condo area is proposed with 16 units
2 per acre. I just wanted to point out the
3 increase that's being requested.
4 Stormwater management will be
5 managed or stormwater management will have an
6 off -site rain water facility, which is just south
7 of this - facility, and staff points out that this
8 does allow more development along the property,
9 would enable the property to sustain a higher
10 density.
11 And the last comment is
12 regarding the gas station, the two -acre portion
13 adjacent to Route 30 on the north of the concept
14 plan, pointing out a gas station is a special
15 use, and staff's recommendation is consistent
16 with previous recommendations.
17 The special use should not be
18 permitted as part of a concept PUD plan. In the
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19 event the gas station is proposed for the
20 property, a special use permit would require an
21 additional public hearing process.
22 This is a public hearing
23 process. This is part of what's being requested
24 with the petition, so that's up to you as the
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1 decision makers if you are comfortable with the
2 gas station there.
3 I just remind you that there
4 are specific criteria in the zoning ordinance. I
5 can go through this as you discuss this.
6 The staff's recommendation is
7 approve with the removal of the gas station at
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8 this time.
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. John,
10 some comments?
11 MR. WYETH: Yeah. I think it's
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12 important for me to weigh in on this one to
13 clarify what you may know from reading the
14 newspaper at least, that this is a portion of the
15 property that was subject to litigation between
16 the City and Village of Sugar Grove that resulted
17 in a Circuit Court opinion last month. That
18 opinion is currently on appeal.
19 When first presented -- and
20 this was almost before you last fall -- this
21 was -- a portion of the property would have come
22 before you and it was pulled off of your agenda
23 in order to pursue the answer to the question
24 does the boundary agreement with Sugar Grove
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1 block the ability to annexation north of U.S.
2 Route 30. The Circuit Court said that it does.
3 So what you have before you now
4 is just that portion south of U.S. Route 30.
5 I'll reiterate what Mr. Miller said, that we have
6 this before us by request of the city.
7 Also to reiterate that the
8 importance of this is not only to get us up to
9 Route 30, but it is significant that this parcel
10 lies on both sides of Route 47, and in order to
11 conduct a road widening project, which is moving
12 along through staff level, it would be critical
13 that the city be able to have both sides of
14 Route 47 in order to widen.
15 MR. JONES: So I've got to ask this.
16 What kind of monkey wrench would it throw or
17 cloud up the situation if we wanted to annex the
18 other side, too, anyway?
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Could I suggest
20 that we end the public hearing at this point and
21 then we can --
22 MR. JONES: Oh, okay. Sorry.
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: So is there any
24 other comments that wish to be made during the
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1 public hearing?
2 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Well, if I may,
3 Mr. Chairman, and, again, a little history,
4 there's been discussion with property owners of
5 this property for several years, and one of the
6 reasons that we did look at approaching these
7 property owners and they were interested in
8 coming to us also was the fact that, number one,
9 with the utilities, if you are aware, just to the
10 south of this is the water tower that Yorkville
11 built that will service basically this whole
12 area, and the other issue, as Attorney Wyeth had
13 pointed out, was the fact that we are trying to
14 put together with the state a kind of unique
15 program for getting Route 47 widened from
16 Corneils to Baseline Road, and actually this
17 presented itself as we started those discussions
18 as it was remembered that not only was the west
19 side of? -- Or the east side of 47 not in the
20 city because we thought well, technically --
21 John, and correct me if I am wrong, but when we
22 annexed, you annexed to the far side of the
23 right -of -way.
24 MR. WYETH: That's correct.
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1 MAYOR PROCHASKA: So initially you
2 thought that would be fine because we had annexed
3 the piece on the west side, but then it was
4 remembered that that piece of property did not
5 touch the right -of -way, which meant that that
6 entire right -of -way of Route 47 above the Bristol
7 Bay subdivision was not in the city because the
8 property line did not actually touch the
9 right -of -way, so again, in order to facilitate
10 going forward with this project -- and we do
11 have, you know, some positive interest from some
12 of the developers up in that area to work with
13 us, we do need to make sure that -- you know,
14 that the City of Yorkville has control of both
15 sides of Route 47 up there.
16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Any other
17 comments then for the public hearing?
18 (No Response)
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: If not, could I
20 have a motion to close the public hearing,
21 please?
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22 MS. LUCIETTO: So moved.
23 MR. JONES: Second.
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Moved and
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1 seconded to close the public hearing. Further
2 discussion?
3 (No Response)
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none,
5 those in favor signify by saying aye.
6 (A Chorus of Ayes)
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed?
8 (No response)
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: The public
10 hearing is now closed.
11 (Which were all the
12 proceedings had in
13 the public hearing.)
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1 STATE OF ILLINOIS )
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2 COUNTY OF LASALLE )
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4 CHRISTINE M. VITOSH, being first duly
5 sworn, on oath says that she is a Certified
6 Shorthand Reporter doing business in the State of
7 Illinois;
8 That she reported in shorthand the
9 proceedings had at the foregoing public hearing;
10 And that the foregoing is a true and
11 correct transcript of her shorthand notes so
12 taken as aforesaid and contains all the
13 proceedings had at the said public hearing.
14 IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set
15 my han hi day of
16 01( - - - - - -' 2006.
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berms 15:15, 23:18, 12:1, 93:22 camel 40 :17 changes 55:5,
23:18 bright 86:12 candles 25:23 58:14, 65:24
besides 86:20 brightly 25:2 cans 26:5 changing 66:2
best 65:24, 66:7, bring 11;7, 86:7 Canyon 82:14 channels 25:12
87:3 Bristol 99:24, 107:6 cap 97:5 character 5:4, 11:17,
better 75:9, 85:15, broken 8:3 care 31:15, 52:23, 12:2, 14:10
88:16, 92:3 brokerage 7:2 62:15, 87:8, 91:2, charged 17:2
beyond 18:15, 53:21 brought 14:21, 91:4, 91:5, 93:20 CHARLES 2:6
big 60:1, 61:19, 27:21, 27:23 Carl 33:12, 33:14, check 85:7
64:24, 86:12, 86:12, bubbles 26:7 33:18, 91:7, 91:9 Chicago 80:21,
86:13, 86:19, 86:20 BUCK 33:12, 33:14, carrier 63:2 90:17
bike 63:3, 74:18, 33:17, 33:18, 34:8, carry 28:24 Chicagoland 6:4,
75:18, 75:21, 75:22 34:14, 34:18, 35:6, cars 29:24 7:5, 97:2
bioswales 83:13 35:15, 36:12, 36:17, carved 19:12 child 72:11
bit 15:17, 60:4, 36:22, 37:5, 37:19, case 41:3, 64:6 children 72:22
60:18, 77:3, 88:16 40:7, 49:23, 50:3, caught 90:23 choose 51:3
Blackberry 61:11 50:10, 51:8, 51:16, cause 44:3 Chorus 3:12, 98:12,
Blackstone 25:3 51:22, 52:3 caused 97:5 99:7, 108:6
blame 91:18 buff - colored 13:1 cc'd 23:4 Chris 82:10, 82:13
bleed 60:22 buffer 14:16, 14:20, Center 6:1, 6:10, CHRISTINE 1:8,
blend 6:11 14:22, 32:17, 39:11, 7:17, 8:12, 8:19, 109:6, 109:23
Bless 87:18 48:20, 95:23, 96:4 9:16, 13:11, 13:13, churches 63:1
block 105:1 buffers 14:2 13:16, 20:18, 23:21, Circuit 104:17,
board 46:3, 75:21 build 11:8, 49:2 24:18, 27:12, 28:9, 105:2
boasts 6:1 building 7:15, 13:2, 29:1, 29:2, 29:6, circulate 24:17
Bob 63:17, 63:20, 15:12, 16:1, 25:7, 29:13, 44:14, 76:10, circulation 24:8,
69:10, 69:11, 70:6, 57:16, 59:21 77:6, 78:21, 78:24, 24:14, 27:23
71:6, 92:12 buildings 15:13, 79:3, 91:4, 91:5, citizen 97:13
Bobcat 85:6 15:19, 42:7, 42:9, 94:7, 94:11 citizens 66:8
bonus 45:8 42:18, 86:6, 86:10 centers 7:7, 86:23 City 1:2, 1:10, 2:14,
border 38:6, 39:22, builds 9:16 certain 15:10, 18:11, 4:1, 17:5, 32:8,
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75:20, 78:11, 86:8, 82:19, 93:22, 100:6, complexity 47:17 confident 48:16
90:9, 94:10, 99:15, 100:10, 100:12, component 9:24, conflict 96:18, 96:20
99:17, 99:19, 100:15, 104:10, 105:24, 10:1 conformance 18:6
100:16, 102 :20, 107:17 components 17:12 confused 10:19
104:16,105:6, commercial 10:12, Comprehensive confusing 10:18
105:13,106:20, 10:15, 29:12, 32:9, 32:10, 39:16, 40:11, connect 73:23
107:7, 107:14 32:14, 32:17, 39:15, 40:15, 41:2, 41:5, connection 28:17
Civic 5:9, 23:3, 39:17, 44:4, 44:6, 85:21, 100:21, connections 83:9
33:20, 34:2, 37:23, 44:9, 44:14, 46:11, 101:12, 101:19, connects 73:13
38:7, 39:23, 46:9, 53:12, 54:2, 86:1, 101:24, 102:13 conservative 19:2
46:12, 46:15, 46:24, 88:17, 96:14, 96:16, conceived 39:20 consider 18:9,
51:2, 52:20 99:20, 101:16, concept 13:22, 18:11, 43:7, 43:18,
CLACK 63:17, 101:18, 102:15 35:23, 36:4, 37:3, 46:3, 46:22, 50:18,
63:20, 63:20, 64:8, commercial -type 101:3, 101:7, 101:23, 56:10, 57:5, 79:6,
64:10, 64:14, 69:10, 80:17 102:2, 102:4, 102:8, 83:13
70:1, 70:9, 70:19, Commission 1:1, 103:13, 103:18 considerate 86:15
70:20, 70:24, 71:13, 4:15, 6:22, 10:20, conceptual 4:21, consideration 36:6,
92:14 11:22, 16:21, 23:6, 5:6, 8:12 38:15, 39:19, 50:23,
CLARENCE 2:3 31:13, 31:21, 33:16, concern 10:21, 75:5, 98:23
clarify 56:18, 65:11, 36:7, 37:2, 43:17, 14:19, 15:8, 23:11, considerations
97:19, 104:13 52:12, 56:6, 57:24, 24:19, 24:20, 25:18, 79:22
classification 59:18, 60:13, 62:1, 29:15, 29:22, 30:11, Consistent 4:21,
102:18 63:19, 65:7, 69:7, 40:22, 43:14, 52:18, 37:6, 101:24, 103:15
clean 85:4 73:5, 76:23, 79:13, 53:2, 54:21, 58:13, consists 4:7, 99:22,
clear 37:2, 101:3, 80:9, 82:12, 84:6, 66:13, 66:17, 68:3, 100:24
101:11 84:16, 88:10, 89:5, 68:6, 68:16, 72:15, constantly 64:21
close 22:13, 27:16, 100:2 72:16, 72:20, 76:4, constructed 19:9,
98:4, 107:20, 108:1 Commissioners 88:4, 88:5, 97:9 21:3, 22:7
closed 108:10 4:18 Concerned 14:4, construction 57:5,
closer 66:15, 78:14 committed 24:23 26:2, 30:22, 53:17, 84:23, 87:14
cloud 105:17 communities 80:20 70:2, 88:22 consultant 16:24
Coffees 9:8 community 9:20, concerns 5:10, 5:12, consumer 76:1
Comed 101:14 26:20, 87:6, 87:6, 23:7, 23:9, 23:10, contain 20:5
comes 61:17, 77:17 87:8, 97:8, 97:9, 28:4, 28:7, 37:22, contains 109:14
comfortable 104:1 97:12 40:8, 44:21, 49:11, continue 87:7, 94:18
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41:7, 44:4, 77:14, 5:14, 7:2 55:9, 57:3, 64:22, 57:17
78:13, 106:8 Company 3:23, 5:15, 65:23, 65:24, 66:4, contrary 54:14
commend 82:18 5:15, 5:18, 5:21, 7:2, 66:7, 78:12, 82:3, control 21:20, 22:12,
comment 10:21, 7:6, 7:6, 7:10, 95:16, 82:5, 82:8 45:23, 55:11, 107:14
10:21, 11:11, 31:16, 96:22, 96:23, 96:23 condition 18:19 controllable 25:22
31:16, 49:12, 52:23, complete 77:8, conditioning 68:21 convenient 30:15
54:6, 54:13, 83:18, 94:24, 95:4 conditions 18:2 cooking 68:22
103:11 completed 7:18, condo 102:10, Cooper 3:23
comments 31:8, 18:4, 59:4 102:12, 103:1 cooperate 87:2
33:8, 40:1, 49:13, completely 54:13, conduct 105:11 copier 51:14
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copy 34:8, 34:9, credence 49:6 83:21 107:12
34:23, 35:2, 48:11, Creek 54:23, 55:4, dedicating 94:21 developments
51:14, 51:17 55:8, 60:22, 61:6, deeding 11:6 18:12, 19:21, 54:4
corn 93:10 61:11, 83:24, 101:2, deep 55:19, 55:22 devised 10:2
Corneils 106:16 101:6, 101:8 definitely 46:16, differ 38:4
corner 4:9, 7:24, cripple 81:19 47:15, 48:5, 48:10, different 7:11, 26:5,
15:3, 28:20, 28:21, criteria 104:4 50:17 29:4, 29:4, 29:8,
30:14, 52:14, 54:8, critical 92:7, 105:12 degree 45:1 34:20, 42:24, 62:5,
54:11, 54:16, 69:21, crop 58:23 delineation 59:6 65:13
71:7, 77:18 crops 55:2 demand 50:17 difficult 26:8
cornerstone 13:2, cross - section 19:10, dense 10:22, 15:15, diminished 50:21
13:7 19:24, 22:16 16:6 DINA 2:10
Corporation 6:24 Crossings 32:24 densities 11:2 direct 51:13
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36:8, 67:9, 67:9, current 7:9, 27:11, 11:7, 11:8, 11:15, 19:24, 50:6
74:20, 76:16, 93:17, 41:2, 94:22 32:17, 32:18, 45:8, directly 12:15,
106:21, 106:24, Currently 54:22, 46:16, 80:15, 101:21, 56:15, 63:22, 69:16
109:13 55:2, 73:14, 93:12, 102:5, 102:9, 102:16, director 4:17
correctly 40:5 96:11, 96:24, 102:18, 103:10 Discuss 87:9, 104:5
correspondence 104:18 Department 8:18, discussing 31:9,
23:3 curved 54:22 32:19 58:8
corridor 22:19, cut 78:16, 90:22 depicted 102:7, Discussion 3:7,
96:16 cut -outs 26:13 102:8 4:24, 5:12, 94:20,
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country 57:10, 85:17 D- 798206 1:24 designated 32:23 distance 44:6, 53:21
COUNTY 4:2, 28:14, Dalmations 71:24 designed 28:24, distances 44:15
70:13, 93:13, 93:14, damage 81:22 32:11, 81:19 distinct 35:21
94:1, 99:16, 99:18, Danforth 73:3, 73:6, destined 81:15 District 4:3, 4:5, 4:6,
99:24, 109:3 73:7, 73:16, 73:20, detached 68:12 4:6, 74:18, 74:19,
couple 17:10, 89:13 74:9, 74:12, 75:8, detail 31:10 75:10, 94:19, 94:21
course 15:9 75:17, 75:23, 76:17, detention 10:11, districts 94:15,
Court 104:17, 105:2 80:7, 80:10, 80:10 48:19, 49:1, 51:17, 99:21
courthouse 12:5, dated 99:13 55:10, 59:9 divided 81:13
12:8, 12:13, 13:1 Dave 5:17, 6:17, determined 75:14 doing 7:10, 7:14,
cover 15:6 7:23, 60:8 develop 11:14,95:18 7:16, 19:1, 27:15,
covered 88:13 David 6:20, 6:23 developable 95:8 29:7, 30:3, 37:13,
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79:14, 79:15 dead -end 56:12, 81:7, 95:11 dollar 72:1
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31:2, 39:13, 48:14, dealing 30:1 45:2, 45:6, 45:7, 94:10
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97:15 decide 56:9 90:10, 90:11, 92:10, Donald 99:11
created 24:7, 27:22 decision 104:1 95:17, 97:10 donate 91:5
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81:20, 81:23, 82:15, early 38:1 entertained 88:22 88:5
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door 90:19 east 20:13, 22:3, 107:6 18:15, 18:19, 27:24,
Douglas 81:5 32:16, 38:5, 58:10, entrance 26:23, 49:3, 53:19
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11:7, 13:19, 13:24, 81:12, 86:2, 92:19, 43:8, 43:10, 43:11, exit 69:23, 77:13,
15:3, 15:6, 35:21, 106:19 43:12, 44:1, 44:16, 77:13, 77:14
42:11, 44:5, 61:17, east/west 28:14 44:20, 63:23, 69:11, exiting 77:24
69:3, 72:8, 76:2, eastbound 21:1 69:23, 81:5 exits 91:19
76:5, 81:13, 96:11 eastern 39:8, 39:21 entrances 32:14, expand 53:8
downgrade 77:10 economic 86:7 41:22, 43:15, 44:13, expanding 40:18
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12:5, 13:11 57:12 environment 26:20, 49:24, 67:12
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driveway 17:15, eight 15:1, 38:10, error 102:1 expressed 57:4
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22:4, 22:7, 22:7, eliminated 26:14, 54:2, 97:4 extent 35:7, 39:2,
22:11, 22:14, 30:5, 76:15 estate -sized 53:10, 41:10, 45:23, 46:2,
69:13 email 23:4 53:11 47:23, 48:6, 48:24
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during 57:4, 105:24 enhance 94:22 examples 81:2 80:1
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farmed 60:3 finer 9:5 97:20 47:16, 48:16
farther 43:19 finger 90:23 frame 88:18 giving 10:24
father 71:19 fits 14:10 free 64:13 Glenview 6:6
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favor 3:11, 98:11, five -foot 16:5, 41:20 37:2, 77:23, 82:23, glow 25:6, 25:8
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filed 3:24, 99:14 79:13, 80:9, 82:12, generated 18:10, 88:18, 94:11, 94:14
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4:16, 7:22, 23:1, 89:5 Gentleman 52:6, guess 30:19, 55:22,
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73:13, 73:19, 73:22, forget 96:8 29:24, 30:5, 106:15 < H >
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79:1, 93:21 6:13, 8:13, 9:3, 24:6 52:10, 52:13, 52:14, 61:15, 70:13, 101:22
filtration 83:14 forth 62:24, 86:6 56:1, 91:10 halo 25:12
final 6:9, 8:15, 10:4, forward 31:8, 51:3, GIPE 2:10 hand 3:19, 34:6,
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36:18, 36:21, 36:24, homes 27:3, 27:18, impervious 48:4 intended 83:4
98:4, 98:10, 98:18, 88:22, 96:15 importance 105:8 intense 102:17
98:22, 99:3, 99:5, Homewood 7:12 important 14:3, intent 8:15, 83:20
99:11, 103:21, hope 49:13, 57:4, 28:14, 38:22, 43:8, interest 107:11
103:22, 105:20, 78:12 43:9, 61:12, 104:12 interested 106:7
106:1, 107:17, hopefully 50:19, impractical 26:24 interior 23:24
107:20, 108:1, 108:4, 66:5 impression 45:6 internal 24:7, 27:22,
108:10, 109:11, Hotel 7:14, 7:16 improvements 5:7, 96:5
109:15 hour 1:9, 70:11, 26:19, 50:1, 71:15, intersection 17:13,
hearing. 108:13 92:16 94:16, 95:1 18:17, 19:14, 19:16,
hearings 35:24 hours 77:19 in -thing 86:4 19:19, 20:3, 20:4,
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20:20, 20:21, 21:21, Keep 4:24, 11:24, 19:23, 20:6, 20:7, letters 60:1, 86:13
21:22, 22:21, 43:3, 24:17, 28:8, 43:22, 20:15, 21:4, 21:16, level 105:12
43:19, 43:20, 43:23, 43:23, 71:23, 72:10, 21:17, 21:20, 21:23, License 57:9,
44:2, 49:19, 49:21, 85:3, 93:21, 102:13 21:24, 22:9, 22:10, 109:24
49:24, 50:11, 76:7 Keeping 11:5, 11:8, 41:1.5, 50:5, 50:7, lies 105:10
intersections 17:11, 49:13, 100:19 58:7, 58:8, 81:13, life 32:7, 41:1, 41:6
19:13 Kendall 4:2, 28:14, 81:22 lifestyle 7:16
intimate 9:4 70:13, 93:13, 93:14, large 6:6, 6:12, 7:6, light 25:7, 26:14,
introduction 6:18 94:1, 99:16, 99:18, 8:13, 9:3, 9:3, 15:15, 64:8, 71:9
intrusion 50:21 99:24 24:6,24:19, 47:24, Lighting 13:15,
invest 85:13 kids 30:20, 62:24 58:21, 59:9, 83:23, 24:19, 24:20, 25:1,
involves 81:10 kind 13:1, 13:9, 96:4 25:11, 25:16, 25:20,
Irving 3:23, 4:17, 13:23, 14:23, 25:6, largely 80:13 26:6, 26:6, 26:9,
5:14, 5:21, 95:15, 26:7, 30:12, 45:8, larger 82:24 35:18, 42:17, 68:17,
96:22 45:8, 53:1, 53:4, LASALLE 109:3 71:15
issue 45:1, 45:2, 81:16, 81:18, 85:2, last 4:22, 16:2, lights 25:18, 26:3,
48:5, 55:15, 89:24, 87:16, 88:18, 88:21, 32:22, 60:15, 70:24, 77:18, 77:20, 78:13,
106:12 105:16, 106:14 71:18, 92:16, 96:12, 86:12
issues 44:23, 82:17, kinds 9:16, 26:5, 103:11, 104:17, likely 95:12
82:21 55:14 104:20 limit 43:5, 71:10,
items 12:4, 36:6, KLOA 16:24 Lastly 78:20 71:16
49:8 knocked 96:11 latest 66:10 limitations 62:11
itself 21:3, 24:18, known 99:13 laugh 87:17 limits. 52:24
50:12, 95:16, 106:17 Koch 76:21, 76:24, Laughter 85:9, 89:21 Lindstrand 61:23,
76:24, 79:2, 80:12 law 41:3 62:2, 62:3
Kohl 8:18 Lawn 7:13, 7:14, line 25:24, 56:9,
< J > KRAUPNER 2:6, 3:5, 90:6 88:17, 101:8, 101:9,
JACK 2:8 98:19 League 5:9, 23:3, 101:18, 107:8
JIM 84:14 Kylyn 32:24, 73:7, 33:21, 34:2, 37:23, Linens 8:22
Joe 52:10, 52:13, 74:17, 74:24, 75:2, 38:7, 39:23, 46:24, lines 43:2, 57:3,
91:9 83:19, 83:21 51:3, 52:20 71:14, 101:14,
John 2:12, 16:14, learned 87:12 101:20
56:4, 56:7, 57:20, leases 57:14 list 45:19, 45:20,
104:9, 106:21 < L > least 16:4, 40:14, 51:6
JONES 2:8, 3:4, Lady 57:20, 61:20, 104:14 listed 102:3
98:6, 99:1, 99:4, 73:1 leave 7:21 listen 65:23, 72:19
105:15, 105:22, land 40:12, 41:2, leaving 60:24 listening 66:3
107:23 45:7, 45:9, 46:4, led 59:8 lit 25:2, 25:4, 25:5
Judy 57:22, 58:1, 46:5, 46:21, 48:22, left 21:5, 22:5, 22:9, litigation 104:15
59:12 50:20, 54:3, 55:3, 70:6, 70:24 little 5:18, 6:18,
Julie 73:3, 73:6 59:23, 60:3, 74:19, left -turn 19:12, 20:5, 10:18, 10:19, 13:19,
July 100:10 75:5, 75:19, 90:11, 20:11, 20:12, 20:24, 15:17, 52:14, 60:4,
JUSTIN 2:12 91:5, 94:22, 101:1 21:1, 22:17, 30:5, 60:18, 64:16, 70:7,
landscape 5:4, 50:7, 50:7 73:8, 77:2, 88:16,
11:18, 12:6, 16:15, lend 50:12 106:3
< K > 16:16, 38:9, 42:4 lessen 32:8 live 52:14, 56:8,
KAWCZYNSKI 89:3, landscaping 31:2 letter 8:15, 23:5, 58:2, 59:19, 62:3,
89:6, 89:7, 89:22 lanes 19:11, 19:12, 31:12, 37:9 62:20, 63:21, 69:9,
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70:17, 72:12, 73:7, 86:18, 86:24, 87:4, matter 1:7, 63:5 million 7:7
77:1, 79:15, 89:7, 87:12, 91:6, 92:4, matters 35:17 mind 81:2, 100:19,
89:24 96:6 MAYOR 106:2,107:1 102:13
lived 46:18, 78:4, lots 53:11, 53:11, Meadows 33:1, 62:4 mine 68:3
78:6, 78:8, 84:8 74:5, 76:12 mean 23:21, 28:12, minimal 50:21
lives 69:16, 70:23 low 32:18, 80:15 28:18, 86:12 minimize 96:19
living 77:15 LUCIETTO 2:5, 98:5, means 18:18, 32:12, minimum 21:3, 22:8
LLC 3:23 98:20, 107:22 60:20, 66:3 minute 19:18, 59:14
local 6:1, 57:6, 57:7, meant 107:5 misses 72:18
57:12, 57:17, 57:18 measuring 79:3 mix 100:20
located 4:8, 5:23, < M > median 19:11 mixed 7:20, 100:23
7:24, 16:24, 39:11, M. 1:8, 109:6,109:23 medium 80:15 moisture 55:3
48:24, 75:24 mailing 79:16 MEETING 1:1, 1:6, moment 80:12
location 45:4, 45:11, Main 20:17, 28:8, 10:3,23:2, 27:14, moments 17:6
45:12, 46:20, 47:7, 28:12, 33:19, 96:16 36:16, 36:19, 36:21, momentum 9:15
75:15, 85:12, 85:12, maintain 32:6 58:4, 65:17, 65:18, money 57:10, 85:14
85:12, 85:15, 87:3 major 49:7, 67:20, 96:22 monkey 105:16
locations 15:13, 77:10, 83:9, 85:16 MEMBER 12:18, month 96:12, 104:17
62:9 majority 18:5 67:5, 67:13, 67:22 monumentation
long 41:10, 46:19, makers 104:1 members 31:13, 12:11, 13:4
78:8, 78:9, 84:8 Mall 29:5, 29:9 51:10 mostly 81:7
long -term 92:4 malls 86:3 Menard 71:8 mother 63:2
look 9:10, 9:13, managed 7:8, 103:5 mention 45:21 Motion 3:3, 3:8,
10:23, 15:24, 23:23, Management 7:5, mentioned 21:14, 98:4, 98:13, 98:17,
24:10, 25:4, 26:3, 7:6, 47:19, 48:5, 38:8, 49:17, 50:4, 98:23, 99:1, 99:2,
26:5, 31:8, 37:11, 48:8, 48:12, 93:23, 82:22 107:20
37:15, 40:11, 40:12, 93:23, 103:4, 103:5 met 5:8, 54:20, 66:6 move 30:18, 43:19,
48:13, 53:18, 58:14, managing 4:17 metals 83:15 64:15
68:9, 82:21, 83:8, mandated 58:17 METRA 40:13, 50:18 Moved 3:4, 3:6,
95:22, 101:7, 106:6 March 95:9 Michaels 8:22 63:24, 69:12, 98:5,
looked 18:3 marketing 85:10, Michelle 88:8, 88:11 98:6, 98:7, 98:19,
looking 17:10, 85:11 microphone 68:1 98:21, 107:22,
17:14,17:21, 28:11, Marriott 7:15 Mid - america 5:16, 107:24
54:11, 65:12,79:17, MARTHA 31:12, 6:6, 6:24, 7:1, 7:5, movement 43:2
88:16, 88:18 31:12, 31:15, 31:19 7:9 movements 17:19,
looks 37:8 Mary 89:3, 89:7 mid - portion 101:15 21:16, 22:10, 26:18,
looming 90:3 mass 15:14 mid -sized 8:21 30:8
losing 79:4 massing 50:11 middle 13:20, 15:12, movie 76:14, 81:11
lot 4:23, 6:15, 12:21, master 24:11 22:16, 30:20, 67:4, moving 47:2, 105:11
13:12, 13:14, 16:5, match 23:16, 27:23, 69:3, 81:14 MS 2:4, 2:5, 2:10,
16:6,16:9, 24:4, 80:18 mile 29:5, 70:13 31:22, 33:7, 33:12,
24:10, 24:11, 25:18, matched 28:2 miles 70:10, 89:20, 34:22, 58:1, 59:11,
25:19, 25:20, 25:23, MATLOCK 69:5, 94:10 62:2, 69:20, 73:6,
27:2, 29:2, 53:24, 69:8, 69:8, 70:10, Miller 2:9, 35:9, 73:16, 73:20, 74:9,
55:3, 55:6, 55:7, 70:21, 71:14, 92:7, 36:3, 36:23, 59:3, 74:12, 75:8, 75:17,
56:14, 59:22, 62:21, 92:11, 92:12, 92:15, 74:5, 75:1, 92:21, 75:23, 76:17, 88:11,
68:23, 71:1, 71:21, 93:2, 93:7, 93:15, 93:1, 93:12, 93:17, 89:6, 89:22, 98:5,
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mud 85:5 Next 10:3, 12:7, number 38:12, opens 40:21
multi - family 68:7, 13:18, 14:1, 14:6, 39:12, 52:16, 99:14, opinion 43:18,
79:19, 102:10, 14:16, 15:10, 22:21, 102:2, 106:8 43:19, 104:17,
102:12, 103:1 27:20, 52:15, 52:15, 104:18
myriad 7:10, 7:20 56:1, 57:20, 69:9, opportunities 29:10
myself 76:1 73:9, 73:14, 73:17, < O > Opposed 3:13,
76:6, 90:19, 97:8, Oak 7:12, 7:14 30:23, 36:21, 99:8,
97:12 oath 109:7 108:7
< N > nice 6:11, 25:6, 25:8, obeyed 70:11, 71:17 order 51:7, 51:9,
name 16:23, 33:18, 68:15, 68:19, 86:6 object 41:13, 45:11 83:14, 104:23,
52:13, 56:7, 58:1, nightlight 86:13 objection 35:11 105:10, 105:14,
62:2, 63:20, 76:24, No. 64:7, 79:1, obnoxious 25:7 107:9
79:14, 89:6 84:24, 109:24 Obviously 4:22, ordinance 23:12,
names 32:1 non - agricultural 12:13, 14:3, 14:7, 35:8, 35:20, 36:9,
Naperville 7:16, 7:17 58:20 14:15, 14:24, 45:14, 37:7, 38:16, 94:1,
national 7:3, 9:19 none 3:10, 97:6, 47:19, 47:24, 68:2, 94:1, 94:2, 100:20,
nature 31:1, 46:11, 98:10, 99:5, 108:4 68:17 102:22, 104:4
47:16, 49:23 Norridge 5:23 occur 62:13 organization 81:10
near 39:14, 72:18 north 20:7, 20:8, occurring 94:14 original 51:18, 83:20
neat 12:16, 12:21, 21:24, 22:3, 23:17, occurs 15:16, 16:3 Originally 46:7,
13:9, 13:16, 13:24 27:4, 30:18, 30:22, off -site 103:6 63:21
necessarily 49:6 40:13, 50:19, 53:15, offensive 28:2 ornamental 15:21
necessary 16:12 60:14, 62:21, 64:3, offer 44:8, 55:11, Oswego 81:4
need 15:18, 44:19, 64:15, 64:17, 65:9, 55:17 others 51:11, 51:11
57:15, 68:20, 78:16, 69:9, 70:8, 71:2, offering 23:15 Otto 76:21, 76:24
85:22, 87:1, 94:6, 71:4, 71:17, 72:13, office 15:4, 94:4, ourself 6:3
100:3, 107:13 72:15, 72:22, 93:16, 99:21 ourselves 95:18
needed 21:13 101:13, 101:17, official 52:22, 91:21 outbound 21:4,
needs 27:5, 45:3, 103:13, 105:1 officials 86:1 21:19, 21:20, 22:9,
61:18, 77:24, 90:4 north /south 28:16, often 24:2 22:10
negative 55:20, 83:24 old 5:15, 71:21, outlets 76:3
83:17, 92:4 northbound 22:2 72:6, 72:10, 90:22, outlot 24:4, 24:15,
negotiations 8:15 northeast 28:20, 96:22, 96:23 24:24, 96:5
neighbor 64:3, 52:15, 54:8 Olson 69:20 outlots 15:12, 17:23,
64:16, 85:8 northern 39:4, Once 9:21, 25:9, 24:11, 39:12, 41:23
neighborhood 32:5, 40:15, 43:12 27:22, 40:21, 45:24, outside 23:22, 42:9,
68:15, 101:21 northwest 4:8, 7:24, 60:19, 67:10, 68:22, 42:17, 42:17
neighbors 14:19, 28:21 81:21, 81:21 outstanding 9:20
26:22, 27:14, 31:24, nose 40:17 one -acre 71:21 overall 83:2
97:14 note 35:20 One - family 4:5 oversight 45:22
neither 85:20 notes 109:13 ones 53:16, 89:9 overview 5:3, 5:4,
neon 25:2 Nothing 53:23, oops 71:2, 71:3 12:1
new 12:13, 72:14, 62:24, 64:9, 64:10, open 15:17, 16:11, overwhelming 89:11
82:3, 82:7, 88:4, 73:19, 86:21, 91:3 42:6, 48:22, 53:21, own 51:4, 71:22,
88:5, 100:19 noticed 27:4, 86:18, 80:18, 81:21 74:19, 96:24, 97:1
newcomer 78:3 96:10 opened 28:21 owner 100:15,
newest 65:19 notification 90:7 opening 30:15, 100:16, 102:21
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owners 106:4, 106:7 pedestrian 62:21, Petsmart 8:22 80:24, 86:21, 92:12,
72:20 phases 35:21 100:13, 102:1, 103:2,
people 4:23, 23:24, Phil 11:16, 11:20, 105:20
< P > 24:8, 26:2, 28:8, 11:23 pointed 106:13
P.M. 1:9 29:8, 29:11, 30:16, phonetic 65:8 pointing 59:24,
package 27:20 32:20, 41:1, 41:6, photo 101:7 103:14
packet 31:14, 41:7, 42:2, 44:4, photometric 37:11, points 17:21, 103:7
100:11, 101:9 48:21, 51:6, 53:15, 37:12, 37:16 Police 8:6, 10:14,
pad 95:9 70:22, 71:1, 71:2, phrases 37:24 11:1, 11:6, 27:6,
pages 32:22 71:24, 72:12, 76:11, pick 87:3 28:5, 32:19, 45:4,
parcel 8:4, 105:9 78:2, 78:5, 78:7, pictures 61:13 45:11, 45:13, 45:17,
park 46:8, 46:9, 79:22, 79:23, 80:3, piece 107:3, 107:4 46:14, 46:20, 47:6,
46:13, 46:13, 47:11, 85:14, 85:22, 87:2, pipes 60:23 47:8, 47:10, 50:16,
47:12, 63:1, 73:9, 87:4, 87:5, 87:21, Pitstick 88:8, 88:11, 52:16, 70:12, 70:13,
73:15, 74:14, 74:18, 92:4 88:12 72:9, 72:10, 80:16
74:19, 75:10, 75:20, per 18:18, 101:22, place 9:2, 9:6, 18:13, pollution 55:9
94:18, 94:21, 94:23 102:6, 102:9, 102:19, 29:20, 81:2, 85:3 pond 48:17, 48:19,
Parking 15:14, 102:22, 103:2 placed 9:14, 27:13, 55:18, 55:20, 60:5,
15:16, 15:23, 16:3, percent 18:18, 28:19, 71:11, 95:24 60:6, 60:19, 61:19
16:10, 23:19, 25:18, 18:20, 18:21, 18:22, places 26:12, 29:4, portion 8:10, 9:11,
25:19, 25:20, 25:22, 42:1, 42:20 57:11, 86:19 17:24, 83:10, 103:12,
30:17, 55:6, 59:22, perfect 10:8, 38:2, Plainfield 7:19, 104:14, 104:21,
73:10, 73:16, 83:15, 39:4, 39:20, 49:5, 33:19 105:4
84:22, 96:6 53:24 Planned 58:24, position 82:6
Parkway 8:1 perhaps 35:24, 99:19, 101:18, positive 107:11
Part 38:23, 54:22, 48:18 102:11 possible 43:6, 68:8,
59:5, 65:22, 75:2, period 63:8 planning 46:21,- 68:12, 80:22, 96:20
75:3, 75:4, 77:13, periods 18:2, 18:9 46:21, 48:18, 75:10, possibly 82:21,
90:21, 97:7, 97:11, Peripheral 14:1 80:19 82:22
103:18, 103:23 permission 51:1 plans 7:4, 11:18, practical 42:14
particular 51:7, permit 102:19, 24:11, 41:5, 59:5, prairie 14:9
53:3, 100:14 103:20 59:10, 75:4, 85:21, preferably 68:12
particularly 72:4, permitted 4:4, 99:20, 88:15 preference 52:18
72:9, 72:20 102:22, 103:18 plantings 15:15 preliminary 35:16,
Partners 7:9 person 85:2 plat 75:3 36:5, 36:24, 37:4,
partnerships 5:20, perspective 46:21, plates 57:9 59:5
7:12 46:22 Plaza 5:22 prepared 100:22
pass 37:15 petition 32:3, 32:21, Please 3:18, 14:1, prepatory 38:20
passes 98:13 32:23, 34:15, 36:4, 48:11, 65:3, 68:1, present 84:9
past 58:9, 77:2 79:21, 89:11, 103:24 76:19, 80:3, 80:5, presentation 4:22,
path 63:10, 74:18, petitioned 36:10 87:9, 88:6, 98:1, 35:19, 38:1, 89:18
75:18 petitioner 4:11, 107:21 presented 34:20,
pattern 81:24 37:10, 37:18, 59:4, poin 37:14, 71:18, 37:21, 58:3, 65:13,
pavement 83:12 82:16, 100:23 92:7, 95:17 104:19, 106:17
pay 90:10 petitioners 3:24, point 11:16, 29:15, presenting 54:18
paying 27:2 99:14 53:8, 54:13, 54:15, pretty 4:21, 18:24,
PC 3:22, 99:11 petitions 31:24, 69:11, 70:7, 73:24, 82:16
peace 90:18 32:2, 75:4 75:16, 75:22, 80:12, prevent 72:19
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previous 71:22, 85:15, 95:4, 95:5, 36:5, 36:13, 37:3,
103:16 105:11, 107:10 37:4, 37:7, 100:19,
previously 34:21, projects 6:4, 7:11, 100:19, 103:18 < R >
82:18 7:11, 7:20 pull 12:4, 12:10, R -2 4:5
PRICE 31:12, 31:19, promise 9:11 12:16, 12:21, 70:5, R -3 4:6
31:22, 33:7, 33:12, promotes 50:22 70:22, 72:3, 87:1, R -4 102:18, 102:18,
34:15, 34:22, 70:23, proper 59:1 87:10 102:23
70:23, 84:4, 84:7, properties 53:7, pulled 86:11, 104:22 rail 14:8, 15:21
84:7, 84:19, 85:1, 53:10 pulling 12:14, 12:23, rain 55:3, 103:6
85:10 proposal 55:5, 95:13 56:15 rains 61:18
pride 6:3 proposed 17:7, 17:8, pump 52:15 raise 3:19, 49:8,
primarily 17:22, 27:10, 27:11, 32:16, purchase 8:16 51:4
33:3, 39:12 32:19, 40:14, 50:2, purpose 42:14, raised 44:21, 45:3,
primary 17:15, 20:21 50:12, 56:20, 63:23, 78:19 82:17
principles 93:24 69:10, 69:22, 70:12, purposes 75:21 raises 53:1
prior 59:2 72:9, 74:18, 75:17, pursue 104:23 Randall 44:11, 44:11
private 90:11 76:6, 76:14, 76:15, push 29:11, 44:1 rapid 9:21
probably 37:19, 92:13, 93:2, 101:16, put 13:7, 13:18, rates 97:5
73:22, 84:10 102:6, 102:24, 103:1, 13:19, 13:24, 14:8, Rather 14:11, 34:11,
problem 37:13, 103:19 14:16, 15:15, 15:20, 89:20
48:14, 57:8, 64:4, protected 41:11 23:23, 26:13, 26:13, re- developed 7:13
64:15, 64:16, 64:18, proud 9:18 26:19, 31:6, 60:18, read 33:23, 33:24,
67:20, 67:23, 72:16, provide 19:12, 63:10, 72:2, 72:7, 34:11, 102:3
72:17, 72:17, 77:4, 19:23, 21:16, 21:18, 81:10, 95:24, 106:14 reading 104:13
77:8, 77:13 22:8, 37:10, 42:1, puts 30:16, 30:17 reads 32:3, 32:21
problems 44:4, 50:5, 95:8 Putting 25:6, 27:17, ready 91:22
71:22 provided 20:13, 39:11, 70:4, 80:16, Real 4:7, 6:24,
PROCEEDINGS 1:6, 21:1, 34:21, 35:9, 91:19, 95:23 13:12, 61:18, 77:4,
108:12, 109:11, 42:5, 46:8, 48:7 pylon 28:11 86:15, 91:16, 97:4,
109:15 providing 19:10, 99:22
proceeds 40:13 22:17 realignment 83:6
process 14:21, proximity 22:13, < Q > realistic 18:23
65:22, 65:23, 66:5, 43:15 quaint 56:12 realized 27:14
94:17, 94:18, 95:6, public 3:3, 3:7, 3:16, quality 6:4, 32:7, really 5:6, 7:8, 10:23,
97:15, 103:21, 3:18, 35:24, 36:16, 41:1, 41:6 12:8, 12:16, 13:16,
103:23 36:18, 36:20, 36:21, question 49:15, 14:12, 14:13, 27:2,
PROCHASKA 106:2, 36:24, 65:22, 66:5, 58:16, 73:8, 74:11, 28:18, 28:19, 40:17,
107:1 94:15, 98:4, 98:17, 74:16, 75:9, 78:20, 47:14, 57:2, 57:12,
profess 53:6 98:22, 99:3, 99:11, 84:11, 104:23 67:18, 77:6, 78:10,
program 5:4, 25:16, 100:2, 103:21, questions 16:14, 83:8, 86:14, 89:19,
106:15 103:22, 105:20, 16:16, 52:22, 62:5, 95:21
progress 86:23 106:1, 107:17, 75:24 realtor 91:14
prohibition 40:20 107:20, 108:1, 108:9, quick 5:1, 5:3, 6:23, realtors 91:12
project 4:24, 5:3, 108:13, 109:11, 82:14 reason 41:5, 41:24,
6:5, 6:7, 6:8, 6:12, 109:15 quickly 95:5, 95:6 42:10, 42:18, 96:2
6:14, 7:23, 14:2, public - private 7:12 quiet 90:18 reasons 106:6
23:17, 28:7, 28:19, PUD 4:3, 35:8, quite 41:10, 88:13 recall 12:3, 49:17,
31:9, 57:5, 58:9, 35:21, 36:1, 36:5, quote 22:15 101:21
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CANNONBALL TRAIL
M .- : CIVIC LEAGUE
To: The City of Yorkville
Members of the Yorkville Plan Commission
Subject: Kendall Marketplace /Cooper Farm Proposed Development
Date: July 3, 2006
There was a meeting of members of the Cannonball Trail Civic League and
management persons of the Harlem - Irving Company on June 13, 2006. The
development persons presented the plans that are being considered for rezoning of
the City's Comprehensive Plan. No suggested deviations to the proposed plan by
Cannonball neighbors were considered by the development company. This
resulted in a unanimous decision by the Civic League to disapprove the
development and rezoning plan.
It is a much larger development than the Comprehensive Plan projects, and there
are very few transition buffering elements to protect the Cannonball residents.
Traffic congestion would be far too extreme for Cannonball Trail, and a police
station is unwarranted as residents' values would be greatly affected.
The Comprehensive Plan indicates a strip of commercial zoning on the Cooper
property equal in depth to match the already zoned office and B -2 commercial
zoning on the east side of Cannonball along Route 34. The balance of the Cooper
property is shown in the Comprehensive Plan as residential which the residents
adjacent to Cannonball Trail would support as long as it was developed in the same
manner as the subdivision to the north of the Cooper property with added setbacks,
berms and plantings along Cannonball Trail.
The proposed Marketplace plan disregards any transitional "building" on the east
side of the development along Cannonball Trail. The City has in the past used
transitional zoning on other projects to soften the impact on residential property
with good success, but the plan as presented allows for very little transition
whatsoever. The proposed berming and landscaping is very inadequate and does
not extend the full length of the Cannonball frontage of the proposed development.
It should be noted that a renovated historic brick farmhouse on the Wadsworth
property is located directly across Cannonball from the proposed police station.
The farmhouse was once the home of Judge Joseph W. Helme who died in 1868
and who helped to organize Kendall County. It would seem that this historic home
should be protected from losing value as a result of a commercial development.
This home is an asset to Kendall County and Yorkville in particular.
The proposed police station is out of place. The Kendall County Sheriff's station
is nearby and would be a first responder to residents of the area. There are much
better locations to serve all the people of Yorkville including the citizens on the
south side of the City across the Fox River. A central location would serve much
better rather than the proposed location on the northwest edge of the City. As
mentioned previously, there is no question that nearby property owners would
suffer a reduction in their long - standing property values with the police station as
proposed in this development. Also, if the no -cost land for the police station is a
trade -off to the City for the granting of the rezoning, then would it not make more
sense to use the value of the land to buffer the shopping center and purchase a
station site somewhere else utilizing the tax money that will be forthcoming to the
city from the shopping center.
Since the developers say that the main entrances to Kendall Marketplace are off
Route 34 and the proposed Beecher Road extension, we feel that there should be
no entrances to the Marketplace from Cannonball Trail. Widening Cannonball to
accommodate more traffic would be far too destructive to the properties along
Cannonball Trail. Too much land would have to be condemned in order to widen
Cannonball Trail. The infrastructure should be in place for the Beecher Road
entrance before the Marketplace would open.
Lighting and store signs especially on the Cannonball Trail side would provide too
much light pollution for all homes in the area. This could be solved if there were
some transitional housing in the proposed development placed along Cannonball
Trail.
Even though the residents along the east side of Cannonball Trail and four on the
west side of Cannonball Trail are not in the city limits, they are still very much a
part of the community. They have been employed in the community (i.e.
educating the youth), paid taxes to the schools, worked on school referenda, served
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in various capacities in beneficial ways to help the community, as well as helping
with elections. They have helped make this a desirable community. They have
shopped in Yorkville and spent money for Yorkville professional services. They
deserve to have the same consideration in the planning of what happens in
Yorkville as any Yorkville citizen within the city limits. Yorkville must feel that
same way since one member of the Yorkville Plan Commission lives outside of the
city limits. This must have been designed to give voice to those outside the city
limits. We feel our well established neighborhood should be able to maintain its
value and quality of life and not be sacrificed for a commercial development when
there are many other areas of Yorkville which are zoned already for commercial
development that remain vacant even with infrastructure in place.
If you have not already done so, please drive along Cannonball Trail between
Route 34 and Route 47 and try to imagine the impact of a proposed road widening,
the resulting destruction of trees and property; note the dangerous curves and hill
which impairs the ability to' see oncoming cars. Try to imagine the destruction of
many of Yorkville's fine assets, which include nearby natural areas with plentiful
wildlife. Since this is the last major open property along Cannonball to be
rezoned, it is hoped that the Commission will consider these many matters in their
deliberations, and apply fair and equal logic with beneficial direction to the
shopping center proposal as this Commission has carefully undertaken in the past.
Thank you.
Cannonball Trail Civic League
Cc: Richard Filler, Harlem Irving
James Snyder, Harlem Irving
Lynn Dubajic, Yorkville EDC
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800 Game Farm Road
1636 Yorkville, Illinois 60560
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