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Plan Commission Minutes 2006 06-14-06 APPROVED BY THE COMMITT EB ARD /a i3 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE ors: PLAN COMMISSION YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 14, 2006 Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. ROLL CALL Members present: Charles Kraupner, Clarence Holdiman, Anne Lucietto, Bill Davis, Sandra Adams, Michael Crouch and Tom Lindblom. Member absent: Jack Jones, Brian Schillinger. A quorum was established. CITY STAFF AND GUESTS Mayor Art Prochaska; City Attorney John Wyeth; Community Development Director Travis Miller; Interim City Administrator John Crois; Lynn Dubajic, YEDC; consulting engineer John Whitehouse, Engineering Enterprises, Inc.; attorney Kevin Carrara, Rathje & Woodward, LLC; attorney Dan Kramer; and Tony Scott, Kendall County Record. Also, see attached sign -in sheet. MINUTES Minutes from the Feb. 8, 2006 meeting were approved. Charles Kraupner made the motion to approve the minutes. Clarence Holdiman seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. Minutes from the April 26, 2006 meeting were approved. Kraupner made the motion to approve the minutes. Sandra Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. PUBLIC HEARINGS Adams made a motion to open the public hearings. Holdiman seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. Chairman Lindblom swore in those who intended to speak at the hearing. 1. PC 2006 -05 Bristol Ridge, LLC, petitioners, have filed an application with the city to annex and rezone. See attached. 2. PC 2006 -33 Atwell- Hicks, petitioners, have filed an application with the city to rezone. See attached. 3. PC 2006 -22 Richard Marker Associates, Inc., petitioners, have filed an application with the city to annex and rezone. See attached. Lucietto made a motion to continue the public hearing to the June 28 meeting. Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. Lucietto made a motion to close the public hearings. Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. NEW BUSINESS 1. PC 2006 -05 Bristol Ridge, LLC, petitioners request to annex and rezone. Lindblom said he's concerned about the name of the subdivision. Because it isn't located on Bristol Ridge Road, there could be problems with emergency crews responding to any calls located in the subdivision. Attorney Kevin Carrara, representing the petitioners, said the name would change before its final stage. The name was left as is now to avoid any confusion when discussing the project. Until property to the west develops, the residents in this proposed subdivision would come and go on Cannonball Trail, Lindblom said. Carrara said several temporary accesses would be located in the subdivision and an emergency —only access would go toward Corneils Road. Consulting Engineering John Whitehouse from Engineering Enterprises, Inc., said Lot 136 should be considered for emergency access so it's not on a cul -de -sac. Carrara agreed to make that change. Since the preliminary plan is up for consideration, Lucietto asked what developmental plans are for the surrounding property. Carrara said he doesn't know what's planned for the west, but he said the developer would make sure all road connections lined up. I Community Development Director Travis Miller said the staff reviews on the project were O.K. Carrara said there are some outstanding engineering issues and the developer is working with Whitehouse on them. Whitehouse said his firm is as concerned as everyone seems to be about the volume of traffic on Corneils Road. Because this property comes off Route 47 and it shouldn't impact Corneils Road, he said. Michael Crouch said he's concerned about the volume of traffic on the west side of the development on Cannonball Trail. The plan dumps 167 lots out one entrance, he said. Carrara said the development unfortunately is landlocked and there aren't a lot of options. Tim Sjogren with Metro Transportation Group said the concern is legitimate. However, the traffic won't be that heavy and another cut onto Cannonball Trail won't help, he said. The anticipated wait at the intersection during busy times is expected to be on the good side of the target, he added. Whitehouse said the findings are correct in his opinion. It'll be easier to get onto Cannonball Trail than it would be to go through town, he added. Whitehouse also said Cannonball Trail is a county road. The two entrances proposed in the development would require variances from the Kendall County. The county requires 1,760 feet between full access intersections and the two cuts in this proposal are about 1,300 feet apart. Sjogren said the county mostly seems concerned about turn lanes. Lucietto made a motion to recommend annexation approval for PC 2006 -05. Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Bill Davis, Adams, Crouch and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto then made a motion to recommend zoning approval for PC 2006 -05 as requested. Kraupner seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Crouch, Kraupner and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plan for PC 2006 -05 subject to staff comments. The motion was approved in a 5 -2 roll call vote. Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Holdiman and Lindblom voted yes. Kraupner and Crouch voted no. 2. PC 2006 -33 Atwell -Hicks petitioners request to rezone. Lindblom said he was surprised to see site plan. Because it wasn't included in the Plan Commissioners' packets, he didn't realize the commission was expected to vote on the preliminary plan. He asked that the staff be clearer when preparing the agendas. Kraupner asked if the planned Wal -Mart Supercenter would include a gas station as well. Paul Bertie, with Atwell- Hicks, representing Wal -Mart, said they're not requesting that use at this time. Davis asked what the screening for bulk items stored outside would look like. A sampling of the layered mesh material will be provided at the next meeting. Crouch said he's concerned about traffic. Other than the U.S. Post Office, there isn't much on that road. But as the area builds out there will be more traffic and it would fall on the city to make the improvements. Whitehouse said that the road was designed to handle the traffic from the proposed development and other future ones. Crouch made a motion to recommend rezoning approval for PC 2006 -33 as requested. Lucietto seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Davis, Adams, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto made a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plat for PC 2006 -33 as requested. Kraupner seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Adams, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto then made a motion to recommend approval of the preliminary plan for PC 2006 -33 subject to staff comments. Davis seconded the motion. The motion was approved in a 4 -3 roll call vote. Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto, Davis and Adams voted no. 3. PC 2006 -22 Richard Marker and Associates petition to annex and rezone. This item was continued in the public hearing portion so there was no action to be taken in regular business. 4. PC 2006 -27 Matlock Mile and a half review. Attorney Dan Kramer, representing the petitioner Mrs. Joanne Matlock, said the proposed development is on the north east side of Route 71. Kramer said it took a long time getting the release from the U.S. Department of Agriculture to develop the property. There is a pond that is being preserved and a cattle crossing under Route 71 being preserved also. The question involved potential wetlands in another area of the property. It was determined that area wasn't a wetland after all. He said the petitioner is asking the Plan Commission for a positive recommendation for the zoning change. The proposed development is for 10 lots on 17 acres. The minimum lot would be 30,000 square feet. Also, he said the tree line along the property next to the Dave Matlock farm would remain intact. Although the development is conforming to a conservation design, Kramer said it would put in sidewalks. If possible, the development would annex and hook up to the city's water. The nature of the development, however, is better suited for septic so there wouldn't be the potential for future hook up to sanitary services. Kraupner made a motion to recommend approval of the mile and a half review for PC 2006 -27. Davis seconded the motion. The motion was approved in a 6 -0 -1 roll call vote. Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis, Adams Crouch and Lindblom voted yes. Lucietto abstained. Lucietto made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:50 p.m. Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe. PLAN COMMISSION MEETING i UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting of the above - entitled matter taken before CHRISTINE M. VITOSH, C.S.R., on June 14, 2006, at the hour of 7:00 p.m., at 800 Game Farm Road, in the City of Yorkville, Illinois. REPO • COURT reporting service 1212 South Naper Boulevard Suite 119 -185 • Naperville, IL 60540 • 630 - 983 -0030 • Fax 630 - 299 -5153 www.depocourt.com Yorkville Plan Commission 2 June 14, 2006 i 1 P R E S E N T: 2 MR. TOM LINDBLOM, Chairman; 3 MR. CLARENCE HOLDIMAN; 4 MS. SANDRA ADAMS; 5 MS. ANNE LUCIETTO; 6 MR. BILL DAVIS; 7 MR. CHARLES KRAUPNER; 8 MR. MICHAEL CROUCH; 9 MR. BRIAN SCHILLINGER; 10 MR. JACK JONES; 11 MR. TRAVIS MILLER; 12 MS. DINA GIPE. 13 A P P E A R A N C E S: 14 MR. JOHN JUSTIN WYETH, Counsel, appeared on behalf of the United 15 City of Yorkville, Illinois. 16 17 - - - - - 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 3 June 14, 2006 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Could I have a 2 motion to commence the public hearing? 3 MS. ADAMS: So moved. 4 MR. HOLDIMAN: Second. 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Moved and 6 seconded. Further discussion on the motion? 7 (No Response) 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, 9 those in favor signify by saying aye. 10 (A Chorus of Ayes) 11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed? 12 (No Response) 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion passes. 14 Ladies and gentlemen, the one 15 thing I forgot to mention when I addressed you a 16 few minutes ago, if you even think you are going 17 to have a question or a concern tonight, would 18 you please stand at this time and recite the oath 19 with me, please? 20 If you don't -- If you are not 21 sworn in, I can't allow you to speak tonight, so 22 if you even think you are going to, please stand 23 up. It's relatively painless. 24 (Witnesses sworn) Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 4 June 14, 2006 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Public hearing 2 number one is for PC 2006 -05, Bristol Ridge, LLC, 3 petitioners, have filed an application with the 4 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 5 Illinois, requesting annexation to the United 6 City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall 7 County A -1 to United City of Yorkville containing 8 R -2 One - Family Residence District and R -3 General 9 Residence District. 10 The real property consists of 11 approximately 190 acres east and west of 12 Cannonball Trail, approximately one quarter mile 13 south of Galena Road, in Kendall County, 14 Illinois. 15 And at this time who is 16 speaking for the petitioner? 17 WHEREUPON: 18 KEVIN CARRARA, 19 having been first duly sworn, testified before 20 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 21 MR. CARRARA: Good evening, 22 Mr. Chairman. My name is Kevin Carrara. I 23 represent the petitioner, Bristol Ridge, LLC. 24 As a way of helping this Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 5 June 14, 2006 1 evening, we are just kind of passing around a 2 smaller version of your large plans that you 3 received, so it may be a little easier than 4 unfolding your big ones, and we will also be 5 having a Power Point presentation to kind of work 6 through the progression of this development. 7 Initially, just to orient all 8 the Commissioners, what you have up on the screen 9 right now is the zoning. This kind of gives you 10 an overall picture of where our subject site is 11 located. 12 We are just east of Route 47, 13 south of Galena Road, north of the train tracks 14 that run through Bristol, and north of the -- 15 northeast of the town of Bristol. 16 The next general slide we have 17 is a slide that when we start our land plan that 18 you see in front of you is a slide that we use to 19 kind of initially use as our guidepost for 20 layouts. 21 Generally what that is, the red 22 X's are the high points on the property, and then 23 you have the lower depressions, which are the 24 brown X's that Rich is circling for me, and then Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 6 June 14, 2006 1 you have generally the flow, the natural flow, of 2 the water as shown by the blue arrows, so that's 3 generally where we are going to try to put our 4 detention. You'll see that reference on our 5 plan. 6 And then you've got the ridge 7 lines, which is going to help us decide which way 8 the water is flowing as part of our base land 9 plan. 10 This land plan that you see 11 right in front of you is the plan that we just 12 passed out, and I will stop and briefly mention 13 we also passed out an eight and a half by 11 14 sketch, purely a rough sketch. That was asked of 15 us I believe at the concept meeting, if we could 16 kind of show how those road stubs over on the 17 eastern parcel would possibly work for a future 18 development if that development came into 19 planning. 20 So that just kind of helps show 21 that we are anticipating future development with 22 those road stubs. 23 As you can see, and as was 24 briefly mentioned by the Chairman, we have a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 7 June 14, 2006 1 190 -acre parcel. Out of that parcel we have a 2 single- family component of 271 units, we have a 3 townhome component of 57 units and a duplex 4 component of 92 units, for a total of 420 units. 5 The reason we have these three 6 units or three different types of products is we 7 want to provide a diverse set of housing options 8 for the city. We just didn't want to have all 9 single- family. 10 We feel that there is some 11 planning characteristics that we can go into a 12 little bit further as to why we have laid out the 13 plan specifically. 14 This is just the west side of 15 the road. We'll concentrate on that because 16 there is primarily only single- family residences 17 on this side. 18 We have average lot sizes on 19 all our single - family of 14,270 square feet, but 20 there is some additional characteristics on the 21 left side of -- or the west side of Cannonball 22 Trail that we would like to point out, and these 23 are some things that through our initial meetings 24 with the Plan Commission, as well from concept Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i Yorkville Plan Commission g June 14, 2006 �I 1 and staff, we've kind of come up with the plan we 2 have here today. 3 As you can see, we've got an 4 eight -inch -- or eight -inch -- excuse me, 5 eight -foot trail along the north side of our 6 detention basin, which at some point we'll assume 7 will connect to the regional detention system, 8 which we know is still in process with the 9 Bristol Way planning. That allows for 10 continuation of a trail system to the north. 11 Then we also have -- on the 12 south we have another eight -foot bike trail or 13 pedestrian trail coming out of the subdivision 14 which connects up to the other side of what we 15 think is going to be the regional bike path which 16 will go along Cannonball Trail. 17 Another aspect of the bike path 18 or pedestrian path that we have itself is there 19 was some concern as to how would some of these 20 people in this subdivision be able to access the 21 school site that was in Bristol, so that's the 22 reason we allowed that. 23 If people wanted to walk to and 24 from school, they would be able to walk right Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 9 June 14, 2006 1 through our pathway system and continue down to 2 the school. 3 So that was one of the planning 4 points that we had on that side, as well as 5 with -- with some staff comments we designed more 6 of a curvilinear path. 7 As you can see, the roadway, 8 it's not a standard lot grid area where you've 9 got a bunch of straight lines, it's kind of a 10 curving, meandering path system for the roads, 11 and then we feel a very nice or dense landscape 12 feature along Cannonball Trail to help buffer i 13 Cannonball Trail as it continues to grow or 14 expansion in the future. 15 We will have a nice landscape 16 buffer along that area, in addition to the 17 detention buffering areas to the south side. 18 Now we're going to jump to the 19 east side of Cannonball Trail. You can see that 20 eight -foot trail that we had coming from the 21 other side is connecting to the west -- to the 22 east side here, and it goes all the way to the 23 far east side of our property. 24 Again the reason for that was Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 10 June 14, 2006 1 for future planning. Should that property to the 2 east ever develop, that would allow a connection 3 point for that pathway to lead over to the 4 regional park, which is just on the other side of 5 the -- I think it is -- Blackberry Creek is its 6 proper name. That allows, you know, these people 7 to get over to the regional park. 8 This townhome portion, what we 9 have coming off of the property to the north of 10 us, is a dense townhome project that was already 11 approved through the city, so we used this as a 12 natural buffering point to our single- family 13 residences, and you see we've also incorporated a 14 6.1 acre park with the requisite pulled in 15 parking spaces that the parks department asked 16 that we provide. 17 And then one more slide, and 18 then we go to the south side, which is again the 19 east side, but south side, and you see the 20 yellow- shaded square there represents the 21 additional single- family residences that we will 22 have on the east side of Cannonball Trail, which 23 then transitions down to our pink shaded or mauve 24 shaded colors, which are our duplex lots. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission June 14, 2006 1 And, again, the reason for this 2 progression is to the north we've got townhomes, 3 we want to try to buffer those with single 4 family, then to the south we've tried to elongate 5 our detention area to try to buffer as much of 6 the industrial M -3, which is south of the train 7 tracks, and then we've also kind of tapered our 8 detention area to give it more of an attractive 9 area along Cannonball Trail there, just briefly 10 abuts some commercial property along the 11 Cannonball Trail aspects. 12 And I do want to mention again 13 here, at one point there was a comment from 14 staff, or maybe even some of the commissioners, 15 as to did we ever approach that old farmstead 16 that's along Cannonball Trail to see if they 17 would be interested to selling to us so we can 18 kind of better plan for that, and we have 19 contacted the resident who lives there and she 20 was very emphatic that she will be there until 21 she dies and had no interest in selling to us, 22 she thanked us and we thanked her for her time, 23 and didn't want to offend her anymore and we 24 stopped conversations from that point. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 12 June 14, 2006 1 But you can see we did 2 anticipate that at some point if she should 3 change her mind or does want to sell in the 4 future, we have stubbed a street there to allow 5 for future development because it's our 6 understanding that the city wants to prevent any 7 future access points off of Cannonball Trail, so 8 should that develop in the future, they would 9 probably like to keep the access off of 10 Cannonball Trail and keep it on the inside of the 11 interior of the subdivision, so we have planned 12 for that with that stub street that goes into the 13 side of our property. 14 Again, we're just going to go 15 back to the overall picture of the site plan that 16 we have. 17 Again, we feel that the three 18 types of products, the single- family, the 19 townhouse and the duplex, provide us a variety of 20 housing products for the city, as well as for the 21 future residents. 22 We do comply with the 23 Comprehensive Plan. We are under the density. 24 Our density is 2.2, the density in the plan is Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 13 June 14, 2006 1 2.5, so we are under that density, so we're 2 not -- Again, like I said, our average square 3 foot on single- family houses are 14,270 square 4 feet. We are not trying to pack in a bunch of 5 small lots. 6 And, again, we feel we have 7 provided a 6.1 acre park, which is a nice 8 entrance monument to the east side of the road, 9 as well as we have designed some nice landscape 10 buffers. 11 Trying to work with the 12 regional path system, you can see the red dashed 13 lines, to help the city grow its bike path 14 connections to future developments. 15 At this point that's a quick 16 synopsis of our project, and we'll be more than 17 happy to answer any of the Commissioners' 18 questions at this point. 19 With me, I should mention, we 20 do have Gary R. Weber, our land planner. They 21 are here with me to answer, and we also have our 22 traffic consultants should there be any 23 questions. We'll be more than happy to answer 24 any questions. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 14 June 14, 2006 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I think we will 2 come back to this with questions. At this point 3 I want to see if there is any comments from the 4 public on it. We will come back to it. 5 MR. CARRARA: Be more than happy to 6 address anything, Mr. Chairman. 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Is there 8 questions for Kevin from the audience, questions 9 or concerns, comments? 10 WHEREUPON: 11 DALE METCALF, 12 having been first duly sworn, testified before 13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 14 MR. METCALF: Dale Metcalf. I live 15 over here. This is me. I've got five acres 16 there, so I've got approximately 12 new 17 neighbors, and I want to know what you are going 18 to do to keep those neighbors out of my five 19 acres. My property is not a public park. 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Is there a 21 reaction to that? 22 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: And 23 that's bare land, so -- 24 MR. METCALF: Right now we've got a Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 15 June 14, 2006 1 house on it, we've got four acres that we farm. 2 We were toying with the idea of subdividing our 3 property and putting a new house behind the 4 existing house, but my current concern is what is 5 the developer doing. Am I going to have a dozen 6 neighbors playing in my back field? 7 Because once they start that, 8 the guy who is farming is also farming their 9 property, so I lose my farm, so my four acres is 10 going to be an attractive play spot, which I 11 don't want to entertain a bunch of neighbors on 12 my property. 13 Are they going to berm it? 14 What are they going to do? 15 MR. OLSON: I can just lend a little 16 bit -- 17 MR. CARRARA: Rich, if you could 18 introduce yourself. 19 WHEREUPON: 20 RICH OLSON, 21 having been first duly sworn, testified before 22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: i 23 MR. OLSON: I am Rich Olson of 24 Gary R. Weber Associates, landscape planners, i Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i Yorkville Plan Commission 16 June 14, 2006 1 architects. 2 I would say this is a community 3 that's going to be an upscale community. You are 4 going to attract people that are going to be good 5 neighbors to you. 6 We are not bringing in a 7 development here that's going to be something 8 undesirable to your needs. 9 MR. METCALF: I'm not worried -- 10 MR. CARRARA: I'll follow up on 11 that. And I guess if there is -- I know we've 12 worked with other -- I keep turning my back to 13 everybody. I apologize if I turn my back to you. 14 We have worked with other 15 cities, and we'd be more than happy to discuss 16 additional landscape berming, possibly a split 17 rail fence possibly to have a line of demarcation 18 between the end of their property and the other 19 properties, and we'd be more than happy to work 20 with staff and the neighbor during the final 21 permitting process. 22 MR. METCALF: That's all we're 23 asking. Thank you. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Is there other Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 17 June 14, 2006 1 concerns? Gentleman in the back, please? 2 WHEREUPON: 3 PHIL HENLEY, 4 having been first duly sworn, testified before 5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 6 MR. HENLEY: My name is Phil Henley 7 (phonetic). I live in Bristol. I was just 8 wondering what this was going to do for taxes. 9 Is it just going to stop there? 10 MR. CARRARA: I'm not sure if that's 11 a question directly that I can answer, as to what 12 it will do to taxes. That's determined by the 13 local assessor's office. We have no impact on 14 that. 15 As for future expansion for the 16 city, the city will have to be the one to speak 17 to that as to what they anticipate for Bristol in 18 the future. 19 Our property that we own is 20 only the property that's identified there. We 21 don't own property outside of that line. 22 MR. HENLEY: It looks like you are 23 doing a pretty good job of swallowing us up now. 24 My concern is not for another year or two, my Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 18 June 14, 2006 1 concern is for ten years down the road. 2 You know, is our taxes going to 3 go up like crazy because we've got a 250, 4 $300,000 home next door? 5 MR. CARRARA: Again, I'm not in the 6 position to answer that. That is handled by your 7 assessor. 8 MR. HENLEY: Well, that's kind of 9 like an automatic thing, isn't it, if the 10 assessor sees that? 11 MR. CARRARA: Again, they base -- 12 There is a number of factors they use to 13 determine property tax rates, and if you have a 14 specific question, again, general theory is, as 15 you said, if more development happens in the area 16 and that development increases the property value 17 in that area, that may have a bleed -over effect 18 to your property. 19 I'm not sure exactly where you 20 live in Bristol and how quick that would happen. 21 Again, that's an assessment question. 22 MR. HENLEY: Well, anywhere you live 23 in Bristol is going to be real close to this 24 development, I can tell you that. Thank you. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 19 June 14, 2006 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes, sir. 2 WHEREUPON: 3 JIM SCHOONOVER, 4 having been first duly sworn, testified before 5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 6 MR. SCHOONOVER: Jim Schoonover. 7 Couple questions. One, you have the walkway 8 going down to the school. Is that going to be 9 going down Cherry, or you've got something else 10 planned? 11 MR. CARRARA: Did you have more 12 questions or -- I'll address them all if you -- 13 MR. SCHOONOVER: Well, the first one 14 is Cherry. Is that where the walkway for 15 this going back and forth to school is going to 16 be? 17 MR. CARRARA: Again, that walkway 18 was a suggestion of staff. Village -- or, excuse 19 me, city staff asked us to put that walkway in 20 there to help with the connection point. 21 I don't happen to know the 22 exact name of the street. Maybe -- 23 MR. WHITEHOUSE: Cherry Lane. 24 MR. CARRARA: If it is Cherry Lane, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 20 June 14, 2006 1 yes, that is where a pathway will connect to. 2 MR. SCHOONOVER: And this is a 3 Yorkville thing, so Bristol has shrunk down more? 4 MR. METCALF: We are disappearing. 5 MR. SCHOONOVER: You say the taxes 6 aren't going to change. 7 MR. CARRARA: Sir, I never said it's 8 not going to change. I can't control it. 9 MR. SCHOONOVER: Where is the town? 10 MAYOR PROCHASKA: There never was a 11 town Bristol. 12 MR. SCHOONOVER: There is Bristol i I 13 Station. 14 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Probably 15 two - thirds of that subdivision has had an 16 annexation agreement and a preliminary plat filed 17 with the city for over ten years. 18 MR. SCHOONOVER: For ten years? I 19 look at the old maps and I see Bristol Station, 20 where we are sitting at, and Bristol going all 21 the way to the Fox River. 22 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Well, the City of 23 Bristol is not in the United City of Yorkville, 24 which happened in 1959. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 21 June 14, 2006 1 MR. METCALF: Can that happen at any 2 time? 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Sir, I would 4 like to stop this back and forth. If you have 5 some more questions, would you state them? I 6 can't have this back and forth for the court 7 reporter. 8 MR. SCHOONOVER: Okay. With this 9 addition of the walkway going through, Cherry 10 Lane is a one -lane road. 11 Now what are you planning, to 12 put sidewalks going to the school, or what's 13 going to happen with these kids on the one lane 14 school -- I mean one -lane road? 15 There is not even parking on 16 the side. The residents that live on Cherry have 17 enough of a time getting around themselves on 18 that little road. 19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Kevin, do you 20 have an answer for that? 21 MR. CARRARA: We are not planning at 22 this point to do anything south of our property 23 line. We will be more than happy to talk to the 24 city, but, again, that's outside of their Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 22 June 14, 2006 1 jurisdictional boundaries. 2 We don't have authority to put 3 sidewalks in along Cherry Lane. 4 MR. SCHOONOVER: But you have 5 authority to dump all these people into Cherry 6 Lane going to school. 7 MR. CARRARA: Again, we are just 8 trying to accommodate some comments that we 9 received on our plan. 10 MR. SCHOONOVER: Thank you. 11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Other questions? 12 Yes, sir. Gentleman there. 13 WHEREUPON: 14 LEMONT JENKS, 15 having been first duly sworn, testified before 16 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 17 MR. JENKS: My name is Lemont Jenks 18 (phonetic). I am wondering what all this water 19 drainage will do to the original pond and the 20 property that's just to the west and south of 21 there on the other side of Corneils Road. 22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Do you have your 23 engineers? 24 MR. CARRARA: We do not have the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 23 June 14, 2006 1 engineers here, but I can address it. 2 Matt, can you go back to the 3 flow calculations? Right there. As you can see, 4 the arrows point to where the detention -- that's 5 the natural flow that currently exists, so any of 6 the -- any of the water that's going to be 7 collected, continue to collect in those natural 8 areas, we are actually -- 9 MR. JENKS: I am talking about this 10 pond that's to the left. You see the darkened 11 area? 12 MR. CARRARA: Right. 13 MR. JENKS: That's Bristol Woods. 14 MR. CARRARA: Again, we are not 15 discharging any water to that pond. 16 MR. JENKS: I'm wondering whether 17 it's going to take the water that's already 18 coming in there and redistribute it away from 19 there. 20 MR. CARRARA: Again, maybe this is 21 something better for -- 22 MR. JENKS: There is drainage tiles I 23 and other things that drain into that pond, which 24 is why we have water in there. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 24 June 14, 2006 1 If you move the water away, 2 then the pond is just going to dry up. 3 MR. CARRARA: I don't know where it 4 gets -- I'm not sure where that pond gets its 5 flow, whether it's over land, under land, or how 6 it gets it, but, again, we are in -- we will have 7 to comply with all the necessary stormwater 8 engineering that we have to do, and I believe 9 part of the theory behind -- there is a regional 10 detention system just to the north of our parcel, 11 and I believe that the thought process is for any 12 of our additional waters, should there be any, 13 will be going towards the regional facility as 14 opposed to any other property that's outside of 15 our boundary. 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I would just 17 like to remind everybody that this hearing 18 tonight is for annexation and zoning. i 19 There will be more work done by 20 the developer with engineering and so on and that 21 question will probably come up and be answered at 22 that time. i I 23 I don't know what that answer I 24 is now, but I'm saying that that is -- in the I Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 25 June 14, 2006 1 future before this whole thing takes place, there 2 will be more discussions on it, a lot more 3 engineering work. In fact, all the engineering 4 work to be done. 5 Gentleman over here. 6 WHEREUPON: 7 ERIC HOCHSTETLER, 8 having been first duly sworn, testified before 9 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 10 MR. HOCHSTETLER: My name is Eric 11 Hochstetler. I have been in Bristol almost 18 12 years now. My house was actually built in 1843. 13 I have the original plat of Bristol. 14 My question is as to traffic 15 that's going to be coming through Bristol, okay, 16 because as of right now you have cars that fly up 17 and down that road leaving the Bristol Tap by the 18 school doing 60, 70 miles an hour. 19 You can literally any day stand 20 on Cannonball and see cars just blasting out. 21 They don't care. They don't care if there is 22 kids riding bikes or anything. 23 My question is what are you 24 going to do about Cannonball? Is it going to be Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 26 June 14, 2006 1 expanded to four lanes? Are you going to put 2 more of a buffer system on the side of the roads? 3 You keep saying buffer, buffer, 4 buffer. You want to buffer your townhomes. Are 5 you ashamed of your townhomes that are coming in 6 because you want to buffer them with an 7 eight -foot trail? You want to buffer this and 8 you want to buffer that. 9 I mean, Bristol is the same age 10 as Yorkville. I don't dispute that Yorkville 11 someday is going to swallow us up. It's 12 inevitable. My question is are they going to do 13 it right, or are they just going to -- the old 14 part of the town, are you just going to swallow 15 it? 16 Are you ashamed of Bristol 17 because of the older homes there with these 18 $300,000 homes coming in? 19 MR. CARRARA: I'll address the 20 buffer question, then I'll let our traffic expert 21 testify to the traffic. 22 The reason we put buffers up 23 along the exterior is two -fold; one, it's a city 24 requirement that we have to do those bufferings, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 27 June 14, 2006 1 and, two, it's to soften the area so we feel it's 2 a lesser impact upon the people because we are 3 putting more subdivision in the area. The trees 4 help to buffer that mass -- the new houses that 5 you -- You are used to looking out at farm 6 fields, we understand that. Well, maybe -- I'm 7 not sure where your home is, but part of the 8 buffering is to soften the new houses that come 9 to the area. 10 Tim, can you go ahead and speak 11 to the traffic? 12 WHEREUPON: 13 TIM SJOGREN, 14 having been first duly sworn, testified before 15 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 16 MR. SJOGREN: Tim Sjogren. That's a 17 good question, and I think when we were out there 18 doing the traffic studies the city requires, we 19 certainly observed excess speeding. 20 That's not an issue with this 21 development or that it's going to address, that's 22 an issue of enforcement, and there is certainly 23 people you can contact in that regard, and I 24 think it's a very good and legitimate concern. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 28 June 14, 2006 1 As far as the expansion, the 2 traffic here, the desirable lines are for the 3 most part north, okay, Orchard or 47, and as a 4 result, there will be a need for some turn lanes. 5 We are not talking about taking 6 Cannonball and making it a four -lane road. There 7 will be turn lanes at access points. 8 What, you live on 30, I live 9 just up the street here. I think the speed thing 10 is a legitimate concern, especially with the 11 school and all those things. 12 MR. HOCHSTETLER: What I'm just 13 concerned is with all the extra homes coming in, 14 people are going to want to stay off Galena, they 15 are going to stay off 47, and guess what, 16 Cannonball, that is going to become such a busy 17 road through there, you're not even going to get 18 out of your driveway. 19 Right now in the morning or in 20 the afternoon you can't -- you can barely get out 21 of your driveway now, and you are going to add 22 in -- I don't know, how many homes are you 23 putting in -- 24 MR. CARRARA: Units or traffic Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 29 June 14, 2006 1 trips? 2 MR. HOCHSTETLER: -- down close to 3 the railroad tracks? 4 MR. SJOGREN: South. 5 MR. HOCHSTETLER: By the tracks, 6 probably in the neighborhood of 25, 40 extra? 7 MR. SJOGREN: I agree, regionally 8 this route will take up a lot of traffic, and 9 part of what the overall transportation planning 10 of Yorkville and the state and the county is 11 doing is looking at identifying regional traffic 12 things. 13 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Okay. 14 MR. SJOGREN: This site is required 15 to look at how does our additional site traffic, 16 how does that impact the community. Now, most of 17 this traffic is going north and so we are looking 18 more that way. 19 We did come down, we did 20 observations, we did counts, and we looked at 21 things in Bristol. 22 I understand your concerns 23 completely, but we are trying -- what this 24 particular site is doing is mitigating the De o Court Reporting Service 630 p p 9 ( ) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 30 June 14, 2006 1 impacts related to this site in terms of the 2 regional things and all the traffic and 3 everything that's happening in this area. 4 I live, you know, right here, 5 so I know exactly what you are talking about. 6 Getting out in the morning is no fun. 7 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Right. 8 MR. SJOGREN: But this site is 9 responsible for its site traffic, and we have 10 complied with everything that Yorkville has asked 11 us to do and have been in contact with the county 12 and trying to work together to make sure they are 13 doing their part to mitigate their impacts. 14 Does that answer your question? 15 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Pretty much. So 16 Bristol is getting dumped on one more time by the 17 excess traffic coming through there. 18 MR. SJOGREN: I think you are going 19 to see more of that coming through from the 20 north. 21 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Don't get me 22 wrong, I love the development coming in, but once 23 these homes figure out how good Bristol Tap is, 24 there is going to be more traffic there. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 31 June 14, 2006 1 MR. CARRARA: They are going to want 2 those hamburgers. 3 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Exactly. In the 4 evening it's still a mess, people coming in, want 5 to get a burger or whatever, and the more 6 increased traffic, it's going to destroy 7 Cannonball. 8 MR. SJOGREN: And the staff, what 9 they do is they make us -- we don't just look at 10 okay, how are things going to be as soon as our 11 site is built out and we are done. 12 We are looking to 2020 and 13 beyond and planning, and that's a whole other 14 ball of wax, but all the things they are asking 15 us to do to mitigate that traffic is not today, 16 but 15 years in the future. They are being 17 addressed by this. 18 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I just have one 19 more comment. 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Mr. Mayor, you 21 have a comment? 22 MAYOR PROCHASKA: I don't know if 23 folks were aware, late last year we entered into 24 an intergovernmental agreement with the county, Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 32 June 14, 2006 1 and Bristol -- or Cannonball Trail in that area 2 is a county road, and what the city now does is 3 collect -- it's a little over $1500 per home that 4 goes specifically to improvement of county 5 arterial roads, and the way it works is the money 6 is held in Yorkville, it has to be used for 7 county road structure within the Yorkville area, 8 and, you know, we would go back to the county and 9 look at their plan, what their plan and 10 requirements are for Cannonball Trail, and those 11 funds would be eligible to be used for those 12 improvements on that part of Cannonball Trail. 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Mr. Mayor, do 14 you think it would be a safe -- Tell me if this 15 is a safe comment or a true comment. 16 If and when this comes into the 17 city, then there will be additional patrols from 18 the city; is that correct? 19 MAYOR PROCHASKA: Well, absolutely. 20 It would come under the city jurisdiction for 21 police patrolling, correct, and then we do have 22 Yorkville police patrolling up in that area. 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Are there 24 other concerns, questions? Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 33 June 14, 2006 1 MR. METCALF: Dale Metcalf again. 2 And this is in regards to Cherry Lane, which is 3 the little peg on the bottom of the development 4 on the left side there. 5 And I know a lot of people 6 living there are going to pop down Cherry, go 7 down Hunt, go around the curve and go flying down 8 Corneils Road, which in front of my house is 9 posted 15, 20, 25. We've got snake curves. 10 Well, of course, it's really -- 11 they have that new movie out now, sliding or 12 whatever it is. Well, I've got neighbor kids 13 that think 60 miles an hour on this road is okay. 14 My concern when I moved there 15 30 years ago, we used to wave to everybody going 16 down the road because nobody ever came down the 17 road, and now you can't wave unless you want to 18 wave one finger because they are going so fast. 19 And I can see a lot of your 20 residents coming out of Cherry, and for the guy 21 that lives on Cherry, that's a concern because 22 that is a tiny little road. 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Excuse me a 24 second, but Cherry is just a walking trail, isn't Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 34 June 14, 2006 I 1 it? 2 MR. METCALF: It's going to connect. 3 You are going to connect. 4 MR. CARRARA: It's just a bike path. 5 MR. METCALF: But stubbed to Cherry. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: No. 7 MR. CARRARA: No, we have a bike 8 trail. 9 MR. METCALF: So it's not a road 10 out? 11 MR. CARRARA: It's not a road out. 12 And, as part of that, I think we'll be more than 13 happy to put necessary landscaping, whether it's 14 big boulders or trees or something to discourage 15 somebody from trying to drive through that area. 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: The original 17 concept had that as a road through there. 18 MR. METCALF: That's what I was 19 looking at, because I saw that. 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: And comments 21 from this group right here have suggested that 22 the people on Cherry Lane wouldn't be happy, and 23 I wouldn't be happy either; however, we want a 24 safe path for children to get to school without Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 35 June 14, 2006 1 having to go out onto Cannonball, so that's the 2 brief history of how that came about. 3 MR. METCALF: In the original plan 4 you had some lane for a school on your property. 5 Has that been changed? 6 MR. CARRARA: Yes, it has. We 7 have -- If Matt will go to the overall slide, we 8 did have the southeast corner of our property -- 9 if Rich would go ahead and show us -- that area 10 he is circling we did have allocated towards the 11 school; however, we have met with the school 12 board on a number of occasions and they have 13 determined that that is not a site that they want 14 for a school, and, for that reason, instead of 15 donating land, we will be donating cash as part 16 of our development. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Yes, sir. Over 18 here. 19 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Eric Hochstetler 20 again. I just have one quick question. These 21 are all going on city water and sewer, correct? 22 MR. CARRARA: Yes. 23 MR. HOCHSTETLER: How will that 24 affect most of the Bristol residents that are on Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 36 June 14, 2006 1 their own septic and their own well? Will it? I 2 mean, I am just curious because I have to know. 3 The tables are buried. 4 Sometimes you can go down 50 feet or 500 feet to 5 hit your mark for water. 6 MR. CARRARA: And, again, I'm not how that other development is going 7 sure p g g to 8 impact that, but I believe the city engineer 9 could help us, but I believe we will be getting 10 the water coming down off of Galena from 11 Cannonball, but then the septic and sewer -- 12 excuse me, sewer is coming west from Cannonball, 13 so we won't be impacting any of the area of 14 Bristol in terms of any of the work we are doing 15 for our infrastructure. 16 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Okay. Follow up 17 on this. Will the residents of Bristol have a 18 chance to tie in to this if they want to and, if 19 so, what would the cost be? 20 MR. CARRARA: That's a question for 21 the city, not for me. 22 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Okay. 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I don't know the 24 answer to that tonight. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 37 June 14, 2006 1 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Okay. That's 2 fine. 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Yes, sir. 4 MR. BONSVILLE: I do have a 5 question. 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Your name, 7 please? 8 WHEREUPON: 9 MARK BONSVILLE, 10 having been first duly sworn, testified before 11 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 12 MR. BONSVILLE: I'm sorry. Mark 13 Bonsville (phonetic). Bristol. I didn't get 14 introduced to this fella, I'm sorry. 15 MR. CARRARA: Kevin Carrara. I 16 represent the developers of Bristol Ridge. 17 MR. BONSVILLE: Is the water -- I am 18 looking at retention ponds around there, and 19 anybody who has lived in Bristol for ten years or 20 more has seen the golf course wash away the first 21 year it was built, and you are building water 22 retention all around. 23 What happens in extreme cases 24 with that water retention? Because we are right Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 38 June 14, 2006 1 in its path. 2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: John Whitehouse, 3 have you got your standard pat answer for that? 4 MR. WHITEHOUSE: No, this is not 5 quite a standard subdivision, Tom, so I won't do 6 the standard answer because this is a unique area 7 because it's not at the bottom of the hill like 8 some of those areas in the southwest part of town 9 that we have previously talked about. 10 There are several -- I can 11 address briefly the question earlier about the 12 pond that's to the southwest that heads down to 13 Blackberry Creek. 14 The existing flow that flows 15 through there now, that can be maintained by this 16 system, so that that pond gets water from field 17 tiles and surface run -off. 18 MR. BONSVILLE: Would there be 19 something that would happen normally now -- 20 MR. WHITEHOUSE: I'm sorry, let me 21 get to your question. Because of where these 22 ponds are located, there can be a restricted 23 outlet that will maintain the amount of flow 24 that's going to those ponds now so that they Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 39 June 14, 2006 i 1 don't dry up because the water is coming from 2 here, although the other thing that we don't want 3 to do, while we always restrict the rate of 4 discharge from these detention basins, the fact 5 that a development causes an overall increase in 6 the shear volume of water, okay, we wouldn't want 7 water to be -- 20 times as much water to be going 8 through your ponds down there, okay, because in 9 that overflow situation, as you are talking 10 about, there would be a lot more water going that 11 way, so -- 12 MR. BONSVILLE: I mean, we also -- 13 I'm sorry. 14 MR. WHITEHOUSE: There is a regional 15 stormwater management facility that's going in 16 the low land area on the Bristol Bay property 17 that the majority of this water is going to 18 discharge to, and this stormwater management 19 system will be designed so that if it does 20 overflow, it overflows that way into a very large 21 area that's going to have an outlot to Rob Roy 22 Creek and then on to the Fox River. 23 So the overflow route, the odds 24 that we are going to have another 1996 storm in Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i Yorkville Plan Commission 40 June 14, 2006 1 our lifetime, since that was a 2000 year storm, 2 are very -- are very slim, but the overflow 3 conditions for these particular areas cannot send 4 more water downstream to the southwest than what 5 would go in a normal flow condition now, so the 6 primary purpose of this system and the primary 7 discharge is going to be to the north. 8 MR. BONSVILLE: I see these bodies 9 of water near the tracks and, if I remember 10 right, that's what happened up past Jericho Road, 11 is those tracks washed out. 12 MR. WHITEHOUSE: Right. 13 MR. BONSVILLE: That's when the 14 stuff hit the fan. 15 MR. WHITEHOUSE: And the reason for 16 that was the railroad culverts. When they sized 17 their culverts, when they put the railroads in 18 many years ago, it was basically a shot in the 19 dark saying this is how much water is going to 20 come through, and when you build a railroad 21 grade, that is essentially a dam that has a 22 culvert or a bridge underneath it, and if it's 23 not sized properly, that railroad is going to 24 wash away. Okay? Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 41 June 14, 2006 1 Now, the outlet for these areas 2 is not going to be towards the railroad, and it's 3 not going to be a situation that's going to 4 repeat like that Jericho situation. 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Are there 6 other questions? Are there other questions? 7 MR. HOCHSTETLER: Just one more. 8 Eric Hochstetler. These retention ponds, anybody 9 that lives in Bristol for more than 60 days in 10 the summer can testify to this, are you guys 11 going to be doing abatement programs on your 12 detention ponds in Bristol because Bristol is 13 mosquito heaven in the summer. 14 You add this much water, you 15 are not going to walk out in your yard, okay? 16 And I can guarantee with all these retention 17 ponds, without it flowing properly -- I am 18 looking at Grande Reserve. There are a couple 19 that have standing water in them literally. 20 Art, you might want to look in 21 there and look at the larva that are in there 22 because they don't have enough water to keep it 23 active, okay? That's a straight fact. 24 And I was in pest control for Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 42 June 14, 2006 1 ten years, and if that water is not flowing 2 right, you are going to get eaten alive. Your 3 new residents are going to get eaten alive. Just 4 a heads up warning about it. 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Anything 6 else for the public hearing? 7 (No response) 8 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Hearing none, 9 this part of the public hearing is completed. 10 We are going to move on to item 11 number two, PC 2006 -33, Atwell Hicks, 12 petitioners, have filed an application with the 13 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 14 Illinois, requesting rezoning from United City of 15 Yorkville B -3 Service Business District and R -2 16 One - Family Residence District to the United City 17 of Yorkville B -3 Service Business District. 18 The real property consists of 19 approximately 34.75 acres located on the 20 northeast corner of U.S. Route 34 and Countryside 21 Road. 22 And speaking for the petitioner 23 is? 24 WHEREUPON: Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 43 June 14, 2006 1 SANFORD M. STEIN, 2 having been first duly sworn, testified before 3 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 4 MR. STEIN: Good evening, 5 Mr. Chairman. My name is Sanford Stein from the 6 law firm of Gardner, Carton & Douglas, members of 7 the Commission. 8 I am here tonight on behalf of 9 the applicant, Atwell Hicks, on behalf of 10 Wal -Mart. 11 This was an application for a 12 Wal -Mart Supercenter which is planned for the 13 northeast corner of Countryside Road and -- 14 Countryside Lane and Route 34. 15 We are here tonight for 16 consideration of two items, rezoning of a portion 17 of the 34 -acre site, approximately six acres of 18 those 34 acres, from current R -2 zoning to 19 proposed B -3 zoning. 20 This property is also subject 21 to a previous annexation; in that annexation 22 process this small portion of the larger site 23 remained in residential zoning because of the 24 plans of the developer at the time. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 44 June 14, 2006 1 The Comprehensive Plan of the 2 United City of Yorkville contemplates that the 3 entire area, our site and beyond, would be 4 commercial zoning, so we just want to -- that's a 5 necessary step in order to balance out the site. 6 The Wal -Mart Supercenter will 7 occupy approximately 125 acres of the site. 8 There will be some outlots for some other 9 development for the balance of 34. 10 The area is bounded on two 11 sides by existing business districts on both the 12 east and the west. 13 On the north it will remain R -2 14 until some developer comes forward with 15 commercial zoning, which is again consistent with 16 your Comprehensive Plan, which we anticipate, and 17 the south is unincorporated Kendall County. 18 We would like to present our 19 site plan -- Pardon me. Also for your 20 consideration tonight is consideration of our 21 preliminary plan of development. 22 We'd like to present that to 23 you, and we will have three witnesses for that. 24 First, Mr. Paul Burdy of Atwell Hicks will Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 45 June 14, 2006 1 describe the site and engineering; Ms. Amy 2 Garrett of PB -2 Architects will discuss the site 3 elevations and architecture; Bill Woodward of 4 KLOA Engineering will discuss traffic. 5 After that we will, of course, 6 entertain all of your questions and hopefully do 7 this all very efficiently with your indulgence, 8 Mr. Chairman. I will defer to Mr. Burdy. 9 WHEREUPON: 10 PAUL BURDY, 11 having been first duly sworn, testified before 12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 13 MR. BURDY: Good evening, ladies and 14 gentlemen. My name is Paul Burdy. I am with 15 Atwell Hicks. We are a local engineering firm 16 for Wal -Mart. 17 The Wal -Mart at Yorkville 18 Crossing, the site itself is 25 acres. There are 19 five outlots situated around the Wal -Mart, four 20 in the front that will front on Veteran's Parkway 21 and one that will front on Countryside Parkway, 22 bringing the whole site up to about 34 acres. 23 Surrounding uses, across the 24 street, south side of 34, is county property. To Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 46 June 14, 2006 1 the east side -- I'm sorry, to the west side 2 across the Countryside Parkway is undeveloped 3 commercial. To the west side -- or the east side 4 is undeveloped commercial as well, and then to 5 the north on the other side of the proposed 6 Crimson Lane is existing residential as well as 7 proposed residential property. 8 And the rezoning that we are 9 going to be requesting from you this evening 10 actually is approximately this back corner of the 11 property. 12 Initially the zoning was along 13 the frontage all along Veteran's Parkway, 14 approximately 880 feet off of Veteran's Parkway. 15 We are proposing to extend that about another 300 16 feet to allow for some outlots on the frontage. 17 In general the building faces 18 south. I am going to briefly touch on access, 19 and Bill Woodward with KLOA will talk about 20 traffic. 21 There will be two access points 22 on Veteran's Parkway, two access points on 23 Countryside Parkway, and two access points on the 24 new proposed Crimson Lane. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 47 June 14, 2006 1 The easternmost access point on 2 Veteran's Parkway will be a signalized full 3 entrance, and between that and the existing 4 signal at Countryside and 34, there will be a 5 right -in, right -out. 6 Both of those access points are 7 currently in the process of getting permitted 8 from the Illinois Department of Transportation, 9 and we have gotten some preliminary permits and 10 we are working on getting the appropriate permits 11 for that. 12 On Countryside Parkway we are 13 proposing two access points, one full access 14 halfway up Countryside and then one right -in 15 right -out, right in front of the outlots. 16 Then the proposed Crimson Lane 17 will be installed and we will have two full 18 access points off of Crimson Lane as well. 19 Real quick, to touch base on 20 utilities, the site will be served with utilities 21 from Countryside Parkway and we will be extending 22 water main up in the post office right now to 23 serve the site, as well as to run along Crimson 24 Lane as that gets developed along the way. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 48 June 14, 2006 1 Crimson Lane will be extended 2 all the way up to the Pulte development, which is 3 Autumn Creek, and eventually connect into it. 4 The current property owner will 5 actually be doing that project. It will be 6 constructed in conjunction with Wal -Mart. 7 Construction will happen at the time -- the 8 Wal -Mart will not specifically be undertaking 9 that specific work. 10 Some of the -- I'm sorry, the 11 other utility discussed is stormwater. 12 Stormwater is going to be handled in a regional 13 retention pond that will be situated north of the 14 proposed Wal -Mart site right here. 15 The current property owner is 16 working with the city and we are assisting as 17 well to try to come up with a regional stormwater 18 program that will service the entire development 19 in its ultimate build -out condition. 20 Some of the uses, to walk 21 around the site real quick, the building will 22 have a tire and lube express, a quick lube 23 facility, in the northwest corner, this portion 24 of the building is a garden center, which will Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 49 June 14, 2006 1 have an outdoor component, and these two lanes 2 that you see right here are the drive - through. 3 What Wal -Mart does is put 4 pallets of topsoil, some big bulk goods, and then 5 rather than lugging them out to their cars, they 6 pull into this drive - through and load their cars 7 right there. 8 And the last component is the 9 pharmacy drive - through, which is located on the 10 east side of the building there. 11 We have submitted the site plan 12 to the city and have had several -- EEI and city 13 engineering staff have identified several 14 concerns, and we are continuing to work with them 15 through those concerns, and we will address all 16 of them by the time we get to final approval. 17 With that, I'd like to 18 introduce Amy Garrett from PB -2 Architects, and 19 she will be able to discuss the architecture of 20 the building with you. 21 WHEREUPON: 22 AMY GARRETT, 23 having been first duly sworn, testified before 24 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 50 June 14, 2006 1 MS. GARRETT: Hello. Paul mentioned 2 my name, Amy Garrett. I work for PB -2 3 Architects, and we are based in Rogers, Arkansas. 4 We are Wal- Mart's consultant for this project. I 5 am going to raise the board so that you can see 6 it. 7 In looking at some of the 8 existing buildings in the City of Yorkville, we 9 have selected an upgrade material palette similar 10 in nature to what you see on the Jewel -Osco and 11 the Menard's that's down the road as well. 12 We have made sure to properly 13 screen the building from all of the property 14 lines, the existing residential behind the store 15 as well, the truck wells, the compactors, will 16 all be screened with solid screen walls or the 17 rear parapets to hide the air conditioning units. 18 We have also added some 19 additional detailing. There are small canopies 20 that project at the entrances into the building 21 to add interest there, and we have added the 22 banding and the other ornamentation at the 23 entries and under the main Wal -Mart sign as well. 24 WHEREUPON: Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 i Yorkville Plan Commission 51 June 14, 2006 1 WILLIAM WOODWARD, 2 having been first duly sworn, testified before I 3 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 4 MR. WOODWARD: Good evening. My 5 name is William Woodward. I am a traffic I 6 engineer and senior consultant with the 7 transportation and planning consultant firm of 8 Kenig, Lindgren, O'Hara & Aboona, Incorporated, 9 commonly known as KLOA, 9575 West Higgins Road, 10 Rosemont, Illinois, 60018. We are charged with 11 the site access study over this development. 12 We conducted the study in 13 accordance with the city and IDOT requirements 14 using the Institute of Transportation engineering 15 standards. 16 As Paul went through -- and 17 I'll go ahead, and if I may indulge again -- the 18 driveways -- five access driveways are proposed 19 for this development. 20 We have a what they call main 21 access off of 34 allowing all turning movements, 22 both left -in, left -out and right -in, right -out. I 23 We have a driveway, a 24 supplemental driveway, off of 34. We will be Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 52 June 14, 2006 1 physically restricted to only right -in, right -out 2 movements. 3 We have another right -in, 4 right -out movement off of Countryside Parkway and 5 a full access driveway on Center Parkway, and we 6 have two driveways off of Crimson, proposed 7 Crimson Lane, more like a backdoor entry. 8 Skipping ahead, I want to give 9 you the results of our study. We evaluated 10 several intersections in our study. We looked at 11 the intersection of 34 and Countryside, 34 and 12 McHugh, McHugh and Countryside, the proposed 13 Crimson and Countryside, and as well as the 14 access driveways proposed for this development, 15 and the results of our study indicate that as far 16 as the intersection of 34 and Countryside, no 17 geometric improvements are needed at this 18 intersection. 19 At the intersection of 34 and 20 the main access a traffic signal is warranted 21 based on the existing traffic volumes currently 22 being experienced on 34, as well as the volumes i 23 that are proposed to be generated by the Wal -Mart 24 development. Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 53 June 14, 2006 1 In addition, we are 2 recommending a left -turn lane from 34 into the 3 site as well as a deceleration lane on 34, and 4 the access driveway should be designed as you see 5 it here as a three -lane cross - section providing 6 one inbound lane and two outbound lanes 7 separating left and right turn movements. 8 The right -in, right -out 9 driveway on 34 -- A deceleration lane will be 10 installed on 34, and the right -in, right -out 11 driveway should be designed as a two -lane 12 cross - section providing one lane in and one lane 13 out with the outbound lane under control. 14 Similarly, with the right -in, 15 right -out at Countryside, it will be outbound 16 under control. 17 No deceleration lane is needed 18 on Countryside Parkway, a full access on 19 Countryside Parkway, no deceleration lane is 20 needed. 21 A left -turn lane will be carved i 22 out of the existing landscape median. The access 23 driveway should be designed as a three -lane 24 cross - section similar to the one off of 34, and Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 54 June 14, 2006 1 the other driveways on Crimson Lane basically 2 will be designed as two -lane cross - section with 3 one lane going in, one lane going out, with the 4 outbound lane under control. 5 Do you have any questions for 6 me at this time? 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: As a Commission, 8 we'll come back to this. At this point then I 9 would ask -- 10 MR. STEIN: We would like to present 11 kind of a landscaping plan for you and wrap it up 12 for you, if that would be okay. 13 To preface this brief 14 presentation, I am not a landscape architect, so 15 I can't speak to a lot of the specifics on the 16 landscape plan, but I can speak to the design 17 concept. 18 We used the zoning ordinance as 19 a starting point for developing the landscape 20 plan, both specific to the interior of the site 21 as well as the perimeter of the site, and then 22 from there we wanted to focus on the areas that 23 are going to be adjacent to residential and are 24 currently adjacent to residential, combining the Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 55 June 14, 2006 1 architectural elements that Amy indicated, as 2 well as the heavy landscaping and berming that we 3 are going to -- to the rear of the building. 4 We feel that's the most 5 sensitive area, that's where we wanted to focus a 6 lot of the landscaping, so that's where we added 7 additional landscaping. In general, the rest of 8 the landscaping that you see is per the 9 ordinance. 10 Staff had requested that we 11 install parkway trees along the front of 12 Veteran's Parkway at the onset of the Wal -Mart, 13 and we are working with them on that. 14 It is our suspicion that the 15 outlots are going to develop very quickly, if not 16 at the same time as the Wal -Mart, and we may just 17 defer those trees until the time that the outlots 18 are going to go, but we are working with staff on 19 that and we will determine that based on the 20 construction schedule of the outlots. Thanks. 21 MR. STEIN: Thank you. 22 Mr. Chairman, Members, that concludes our 23 presentation, except to add that pursuant to your 24 ordinance, the zoning ordinance, Section Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 56 June 14, 2006 1 10147B5 -A through E, are standards for you to 2 consider for rezoning, I would suggest that in 3 the materials heretofore given to the staff, we 4 have met each of these requirements and standards 5 sufficiently and I would hope to secure your 6 favorable recommendation. Thank you. 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Comments 8 from the public? Questions? 9 (No response) 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. Hearing 11 none then, I will conclude this portion of the 12 public hearing, and we will move to item three, 13 PC 2006 -42, Richard Marker Associates, 14 petitioners, have filed application with the 15 United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, 16 Illinois, requesting annexation to the United 17 City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall 18 County A -1 to United City of Yorkville Planned 19 Unit Development containing R -2 One - Family 20 Residence District. 21 The petitioner is not here 22 tonight, but this was advertised -- I'm sorry, 23 there was a legal notice in the paper, so at this 24 time I would entertain any questions, concerns, I Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 57 June 14, 2006 1 that should come before the Commission for this 2 development. 3 Is there anybody to speak on 4 that? 5 (No response) 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. 7 MR. MILLER: This is on the agenda 8 for the 8th. 9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. This will 10 be on the agenda for June 28th for anybody that's 11 interested. 12 Do we need to continue this or 13 adjourn it? 14 MR. WYETH: No further action. 15 WHEREUPON: 16 VINCENT M. ROSANOVA, 17 having been first duly sworn, testified before 18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows: 19 MR. ROSANOVA: Vince Rosanova. I am 20 an attorney with the law firm of Dommermuth, 21 Brestal, Cobine & West. We represent Richard 22 Marker. 23 We would just ask to open it 24 and continue it to the June 28th meeting because Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 58 June 14, 2006 1 we had -- 2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Mr. Rosanova, we 3 are already in public hearing and we will close 4 it shortly. 5 MR. ROSANOVA: Now we just need to 6 make sure that we continue it. 7 MR. WYETH: It's already noticed and 8 published for the 28th. 9 MR. ROSANOVA: Those publications 10 that were sent out were incorrect, so what we are 11 basing this on was the publication that was sent 12 out initially for the 28th was correct. 13 MR. WYETH: We want to continue 14 basically the 24th of May to today and then -- so 15 that will be the special motion we'll have to 16 have. 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: So a motion to 18 move to continue this -- 19 MR. WYETH: Yes, as to PC 2006 -22. 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Okay. I would 21 ask then for a motion to continue this to the 22 June 28th? 23 MR. WYETH: Right. 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: The June 28th Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 59 June 14, 2006 1 meeting. 2 MS. LUCIETTO: So moved. 3 MS. ADAMS: Second. 4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion has been 5 moved and seconded. Discussion? 6 (No Response) 7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Those in favor 8 signify by saying aye. 9 (A Chorus of Ayes) 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed? 11 (No Response) 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Motion passes. 13 It will be continued. And at this time then I 14 would entertain a motion to close the public 15 hearing. 16 MS. LUCIETTO: So moved. 17 MS. ADAMS: Second. 18 MR. CROUCH: Second. 19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Those in favor 20 signify by saying aye. 21 (A Chorus of Ayes) 22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Opposed? 23 (No Response) 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Public hearing Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 60 June 14, 2006 1 is now closed. 2 (Which were all the 3 proceedings had in 4 the public hearing.) 5 --- 000 - -- 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 61 June 14, 2006 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) ss: 2 COUNTY OF LASALLE ) 3 4 CHRISTINE M. VITOSH, being first duly 5 sworn, on oath says that she is a Certified 6 Shorthand Reporter doing business in the State of 7 Illinois; 8 That she reported in shorthand the 9 proceedings had at the foregoing public hearing; 10 And that the foregoing is a true and 11 correct transcript of her shorthand notes so 12 taken as aforesaid and contains all the 13 proceedings had at the said public hearing. 14 IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set 15 my hand this _ �� day of 16 _ _ ----- - - - - -' 2006. 17 18 19 " 20 _ ___ M. 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Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 67 June 14, 2006 52:16, 52:18, 52:19 known 51:9 Lemont 22:14, 22:17 < I > intersections 52:10 KRAUPNER 2:7 lend 15:15 idea 15:2 introduce 15:18, lesser 27:2 identified 17:20, 49:18 License 61:24 49:13 introduced 37:14 < L > lifetime 40:1 identifying 29:11 issue 27:20, 27:22 Ladies 3:14, 45:13 Lindgren 51:8 MOT 51:13 item 42:10, 56:12 laid 7:12 line 16:17, 17:21, Illinois 1:2, 1:10, items 43:16 land 5:17, 6:8, 6:10, 21:23 2:16, 4:5, 4:14, itself 8:18, 45:18 13:20, 14:23, 24:5, lines 6:7, 9:9, 13:13, 42:14, 47:8, 51:10, 24:5, 35:15, 39:16 28:2, 50:14 56:16, 61:1, 61:9 landscape 9:11, literally 25:19, 41:19 impact 17:13, 27:2, < J > 9:15, 13:9, 15:24, little 5:3, 7:12, 29:16, 36:8 JACK 2:10 16:16, 53:22, 54:14, 15:15, 21:18, 32:3, impacting 36:13 JENKS 22:14, 22:17, 54:16, 54:19 33:3, 33:22 impacts 30:1, 30:13 22:17, 23:9, 23:13, landscaping 34:13, live 14:14, 17:7, improvement 32:4 23:16, 23:22 54:11, 55:2, 55:6, 18:20, 18:22, 21:16, improvements Jericho 40:10, 41:4 55:7, 55:8 28:8, 28:8, 30:4 32:12, 52:17 Jewel -osco 50:10 Lane 19:23, 19:24, lived 37:19 inbound 53:6 Jim 19:3, 19:6 21:10, 21:13, 22:3, lives 11:19, 33:21, Incorporated 10:13, job 17:23 22:6, 33:2, 34:22, 41:9 51:8 John 2:14, 38:2 35:4, 43:14, 46:6, living 33:6 incorrect 58:10 JONES 2:10 46:24, 47:16, 47:18, LLC 4:2, 4:23 increase 39:5 jump 9:18 47:24, 48:1, 52:7, load 49:6 increased 31:6 June 57:10, 57:24, 53:2, 53:3, 53:6, local 17:13, 45:15' increases 18:16 58:22, 58:24 53:9, 53:12, 53:12, located 5:11, 38:22, indicate 52:15 jurisdiction 32:20 53:13, 53:17, 53:19, 42:19, 49:9 indicated 55:1 jurisdictional 22:1 53:21, 54:1, 54:3, look 20:19, 29:15, indulge 51:17 JUSTIN 2:14 54:3, 54:4 31:9, 32:9, 41:20, indulgence 45:7 lanes 26:1, 28:4, 41:21 industrial 11:6 28:7, 49:1, 53:6 looked 29:20, 52:10 inevitable 26:12 < K > large 5:2, 39:20 looking 27:5, 29:11, infrastructure 36:15 keep 12:9, 12:10, larger 43:22 29:17, 31:12, 34:19, initial 7:23 14:18, 16:12, 26:3, larva 41:21 37:18, 41:18, 50:7 Initially 5:7, 5:19, 41:22 LASALLE 61:3 looks 17:22 46:12, 58:12 Kendall 4:4, 4:6, last 31:23, 49:8 lose 15:9 inside 12:10 4:13, 42:13, 44:17, late 31:23 lot 7:18, 9:8, 25:2, install 55:11 56:15, 56:17 law 43:6, 57:20 29:8, 33:5, 33:19, installed 47:17, Kenig 51:8 layouts 5:20 39:10, 54:15, 55:6 53:10 Kevin 4:18, 4:22, lead 10:3 lots 10:24, 13:5 instead 35:14 14:8, 21:19, 37:15 leaving 25:17 love 30:22 Institute 51:14 kids 21:13, 25:22, left 7:21, 23:10, low 39:16 interest 11:21, 50:21 33:12 33:4, 53:7 lower 5:23 interested 11:17, kind 5:1, 5:5, 5:9, left -in 51:22 lube 48:22, 48:22 57:11 5:19, 6:16, 6:20, 8:1, left -out 51:22 LUCIETTO 2:5, 59:2, intergovernmental 9:9, 11:7, 11:18, left -turn 53:2, 53:21 59:16 31:24 18:8, 54:11 legal 56:23 lugging 49:5 interior 12:11, 54:20 KLOA45:4, 46:19, legitimate 27:24, intersection 52:11, 51:9 28:10 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 68 June 14, 2006 < M > 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53:12, 53:24, materials 56:3 58:21, 59:4, 59:12, normally 38:19 54:3, 54:3 Matt 23:2, 35:7 59:14 north 5:13, 5:14, 8:5, One - family 4:8, matter 1:7 move 24:1, 42:10, 8:10, 10:9, 11:2, 42:16, 56:19 mauve 10:23 56:12, 58:18 24:10, 28:3, 29:17, one -lane 21:10, MAYOR 20:10, Moved 3:3, 3:5, 30:20, 40:7, 44:13, 21:14 20:14, 20:22, 31:18, 33:14, 59:2, 59:5, 46:5, 48:13 ones 5:4 31:20, 31:22, 32:13, 59:16 northeast 5:15, onset 55:12 32:19 movement 52:4 42:20, 43:13 open 57:23 Mchugh 52:12, movements 51:21, northwest 48:23 Opposed 3:11, 52:12 52:2, 53:7 notes 61:13 - 24:14, 59:10, 59:22 mean 21:14, 26:9, movie 33:11 notice 56:23 options 7:7 36:2, 39:12 MS 2:4, 2:5, 2:12, noticed 58:7 Orchard 28:3 meandering 9:10 3:3, 45:1, 50:1, 59:2, number 4:2, 18:12, order 44:5 median 53:22 59:3, 59:16, 59:17 35:12, 42:11 ordinance 54:18, MEETING 1:1, 1:6, 55:9, 55:24, 55:24 6:15, 57:24, 59:1 orient 5:7 meetings 7:23 < N > < O > original 22:19, MEMBER 14:22 name 4:22, 10:6, O'hara 51:8 25:13, 34:16, 35:3 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39:20, 39:23, 40:2 Paul 44:24, 45:10, planning 6:19, 7:11, primarily 7:16 overflows 39:20 45:14, 50:1, 51:16 8:9, 9:3, 10:1, 21:11, primary 40:6, 40:6 own 17:19, 17:21, PB -2 45:2, 49:18, 21:21, 29:9, 31:13, Probably 12:9, 36:1, 36:1 50:2 51:7 20:14, 24:21, 29:6 owner 48:4, 48:15 PC 4:2, 42:11, 56:13, plans 5:2, 43:24 PROCEEDINGS 1:6, 58:19 plat 20:16, 25:13 60:3, 61:11, 61:15 pedestrian 8:13, play 15:10 process 8:8, 16:21, < P > 8:18 playing 15:6 24:11, 43:22, 47:7 P.M. 1:9 peg 33:3 please 3:18, 3:19, PROCHASKA 20:10, pack 13:4 people 8:20, 8:23, 3:22, 17:1, 37:7 20:14, 20:22, 31:18, painless 3:23 10:6, 16:4, 22:5, Point 5:5, 7:22, 8:6, 31:22, 32:19 palette 50:9 27:2, 27:23, 28:14, 10:3, 10:12, 11:13, products 7:6, 12:18, pallets 49:4 31:4, 33:5, 34:22 11:24, 12:2, 13:15, 12:20 paper 56:23 per 32:3, 55:8 13:18, 14:2, 19:20, program 48:18 parapets 50:17 perimeter 54:21 21:22, 23:4, 47:1, programs 4 1: 11 parcel 6:17, 7:1, 7:1, permits 47:9, 47:10 54:8, 54:19 progression 5:6, 24:10 permitted 47:7 points 5:22, 9:4, 11:2 Pardon 44:19 permitting 16:21 12:7, 28:7, 46:21, project 10:10, 13:16, park 10:4, 10:7, pest 41:24 46:22, 46:23, 47:6, 48:5, 50:4, 50:20 10:14, 13:7, 14:19 petitioner 4:16, 4:23, 47:13, 47:18 proper 10:6 parking 10:15, 21:15 42:22, 56:21 police 32:21, 32:22 properly 40:23, parks 10:15 petitioners 4:3, pond 22:19, 23:10, 41:17, 50:12 Parkway 45:20, 42:12, 56:14 23:15, 23:23, 24:2, properties 16:19 45:21, 46:2, 46:13, pharmacy 49:9 24:4, 38:12, 38:16, property 4:10, 5:22, 46:14, 46:22, 46:23, Phil 17:3, 17:6 48:13 9:23, 10:1, 10:9, 47:2, 47:12, 47:21, phonetic 17:7, ponds 37:18, 38:22, 11:10, 12:13, 14:19, 52:4, 52:5, 53:18, 22:18, 37:13 38:24, 39:8, 41:8, 15:3, 15:9, 15:12, 53:19, 55:11, 55:12 physically 52:1 41:12, 41:17 16:18, 17:19, 17:20, part 6:8, 24:9, 26:14, picture 5:10, 12:15 pop 33:6 17:21, 1.8:13, 18:16, 27:7, 28:3, 29:9, pink 10:23 portion 10:8, 43:16, 18:18, 21:22, 22:20, 30:13, 32:12, 34:12, place 25:1 43:22, 48:23, 56:11 24:14, 35:4, 35:8, 35:15, 38:8, 42:9 Plan 1:1, 4:20, 5:17, position 18:6 39:16, 42:18, 43:20, particular 29:24, 6:5, 6:9, 6:10, 6:11, possibly 6:17, 45:24, 46:7, 46:11, 40:3 7:13, 7:24, 8:1, 16:16, 16:17 48:4, 48:15, 50:13 passed 6:12, 6:13 11:18, 12:15, 12:23, post 47:22 proposed 43:19, passes 3:13, 59:12 12:24, 14:13, 15:22, posted 33:9 46:5, 46:7, 46:24, passing 5:1 17:5, 19:5, 22:9, Power 5:5 47:16, 48:14, 51:18, past 40:10 22:16, 25:9, 27:15, preface 54:13 52:6, 52:12, 52:14, pat 38:3 32:9, 32:9, 35:3, preliminary 20:16, 52:23 path 8:15, 8:17, 37:11, 43:3, 44:1, 44:21, 47:9 proposing 46:15, 8:18, 9:6, 9:10, 44:16, 44:19, 44:21, present 44:18, 47:13 13:12, 13:13, 34:4, 45:12, 49:11, 49:24, 44:22, 54:10 provide 7:7, 10:16, 34:24, 38:1 51:3, 54:11, 54:16, presentation 5:5, 12:19 pathway 9:1, 10:3, 54:20, 57:18 54:14, 55:23 provided 13:7 20:1 Planned 12:11, Pretty 17:23, 30:15 providing 53:5, patrolling 32:21, 19:10, 43:12, 56:18 prevent 12:6 53:12 Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 70 June 14, 2006 Public 3:2, 4:1, 14:4, R. 13:20, 15:24 42:14, 46:9, 56:16 53:15 14:19, 42:6, 42:9, rail 16:17 required 29:14 River 20:21, 39:22 56:8, 56:12, 58:3, railroad 29:3, 40:16, requirement 26:24 Road 1:9, 4:13, 5:13, 59:14, 59:24, 60:4, 40:20, 40:23, 41:2 requirements 32:10, 6:16, 6:22, 7:15, 61:11, 61:15 railroads 40:17 51:13, 56:4 13:8, 18:1, 21:10, publication 58:11 raise 50:5 requires 27:18 21:14, 21:18, 22:21, publications 58:9 rate 39:3 requisite 10:14 25:17, 28:6, 28:17, published 58:8 rates 18:13 Reserve 41:18 32:2, 32:7, 33:8, pull 49:6 rather 49:5 Residence 4:8, 4:9, 33:13, 33:16, 33:17, pulled 10:14 reaction 14:21 42:16, 56:20 33:22, 34:9, 34:11, Pulte 48:2 Real 4:10, 18:23, residences 7:16, 34:17, 40:10, 42:21, purely 6:14 42:18, 47:19, 48:21 10:13, 10:21 43:13, 50:11, 51:9 purpose 40:6 really 33:10 resident 11:19 roads 9:10, 26:2, pursuant 55:23 rear 50:17, 55:3 residential 43:23, 32:5 put 6:3, 19:19, reason 7:5, 8:22, 46:6, 46:7, 50:14, roadway 9:7 21:12, 22:2, 26:1, 9:24, 11:1, 26:22, 54:23, 54:24 Rob 39:21 26:22, 34:13, 40:17, 35:14, 40:15 residents 12:21, Rogers 50:3 49:3 received 5:3, 22:9 21:16, 33:20, 35:24, ROSANOVA 57:16, putting 15:3, 27:3, recite 3:18 36:17, 42:3 57:19, 57:19, 58:2, 28:23 recommendation Response 3:7, 3:12, 58:5, 58:9 56:6 42:7, 56:9, 57:5, Rosemont 51:10 recommending 53:2 59:6, 59:11, 59:23 rough 6:14 < Q > red 5:21, 13:12 responsible 30:9 Route 5:12, 29:8, quarter 4:12 redistribute 23:18 rest 55:7 39:23, 42:20, 43:14 question 3:17, reference 6:4 restrict 39:3 Roy 39:21 17:11, 18:14, 18:21, regard 27:23 restricted 38:22, run 5:14, 47:23 24:21, 25:14, 25:23, regards 33:2 52:1 run -off 38:17 26:12, 26:20, 27:17, regional 8:7, 8:15, result 28:4 30:14, 35:20, 36:20, 10:4, 10:7, 13:12, results 52:9, 52:15 37:5, 38:11, 38:21 24:9, 24:13, 29:11, retention 37:18, < S > Questions 13:18, 30:2, 39:14, 48:12, 37:22, 37:24, 41:8, safe 32:14, 32:15, 13:23, 13:24, 14:2, 48:17 41:16, 48:13 34:24 14:8, 14:8, 19:7, regionally 29:7 rezoning 4:6, 42:14, SANDRA 2:4 19:12, 21:5, 22:11, related 30:1 43:16, 46:8, 56:2, Sanford 43:1, 43:5 32:24, 41:6, 41:6, relatively 3:23 56:17 saw 34:19 45:6, 54:5, 56:8, remain 44:13 Rich 5:24,15:17, saying 3:9, 24:24, 56:24 remained 43:23 15:20, 15:23, 35:9 26:3, 40:19, 59:8, quick 13:15, 18:20, remember 40:9 Richard 56:13, 59:20 35:20, 47:19, 48:21, remind 24:17 57:21 says 61:7 48:22 repeat 41:4 Ridge 4:2, 4:23, 6:6, schedule 55:20 quickly 55:15 REPORT 1:6 37:16 SCHILLINGER 2:9 quite 38:5 reported 61:10 riding 25:22 school 8:21, 8:24, Reporter 21:7, 61:8 right -in 47:5, 47:14, 9:2, 19:8, 19:15, represent 4:23, 51:22, 52:1, 52:3, 21:12, 21:14, 22:6, < R > 37:16, 57:21 53:8, 53:10, 53:14 25:18, 28:11, 34:24, R -2 4:8, 42:15, represents 10:20 right -out 47:5, 35:4, 35:11, 35:11, 43:18, 44:13, 56:19 requested 55:10 47:15, 51:22, 52:1, 35:14 R -3 4:8 requesting 4:5, 52:4, 53:8, 53:10, SCHOONOVER Depo Court Reporting Service (630) 983 -0030 Yorkville Plan Commission 71 June 14, 2006 19:3, 19:6, 19:6, 10:22, 12:13, 13:8, 5:18, 10:17, 35:7 standards 51:15, 19:13, 20:2, 20:5, 21:16, 22:21, 26:2, sliding 33:11 56:1, 56:4 20:9, 20:12, 20:18, 33:4, 45:24, 46:1, slim 40:2 standing 41:19 21:8, 22:4, 22:10 46:1, 46:3, 46:3, small 13:5, 43:22, start 5:17, 15:7 screen 5:8, 50:13, 46:5, 49:10 50:19 starting 54:19 50:16 sides 44:11 smaller 5:2 State 21:5, 29:10, screened 50:16 sidewalks 21:12, snake 33:9 61:1, 61:8 secon 33:24 22:3 soften 27:1, 27:8 Station 20:13, 20:19 Second 3:4, 59:3, sign 50:23 solid 50:16 stay 28:14, 28:15 59:17, 59:18 signal 47:4, 52:20 somebody 34:15 STEIN 43:1, 43:4, seconded 3:6, 59:5 signalized 47:2 someday 26:11 43:5, 54:10, 55:21 Section 55:24 signify 3:9, 59:8, Sometimes 36:4 step 44:5 secure 56:5 59:20 soon 31:10 stop 6:12, 17:9, 21:4 seen 37:20 similar 50:9, 53:24 sorry 37:12, 37:14, stopped 11:24 sees 18:10 Similarly 53:14 38:20, 39:13, 46:1, store 50:14 selected 50:9 single 11:3 48:10, 56:22 storm 39:24, 40:1 sell 12:3 single 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55:12 < T > townhomes 11:2, two -fold 26:23 Village 19:18 tables 36:3 26:4, 26:5 two -lane 53:11, 54:2 Vince 57:19 talked 38:9 townhouse 12:19 two- thirds 20:15 VINCENT 57:16 Tap 25:17, 30:23 toying 15:2 types 7:6, 12:18 VITOSH 1:8, 61:6, tapered 11:7 tracks 5:13, 11:7, 61:23 tax 18:13 29:3, 29:5, 40:9, volume 39:6 taxes 17:8, 17:12, 40:11 < U > volumes 52:21, 18:2, 20:5 traffic 13:22, 25:14, ultimate 48:19 52:22 ten 18:1, 20:17, 26:20, 26:21, 27:11, underneath 40:22 20:18, 37:19, 42:1 27:18, 28:2, 28:24, understand 27:6, terms 30:1, 36:14 29:8, 29:11, 29:15, 29:22 < W > testified 4:19, 14:12, 29:17, 30:2, 30:9, understanding 12:6 Wal -mart 43:10, 15:21, 17:4, 19:4, 30:17, 30:24, 31:6, undertaking 48:8 43:12, 44:6, 45:16, 22:15, 25:8, 27:14, 31:15, 45:4, 46:20, undesirable 16:8 45:17, 45:19, 48:6, 37:10, 43:2, 45:11, 51:5, 52:20, 52:21 undeveloped 46:2, 48:8, 48:14, 49:3, 49:23, 51:2, 57:17 Trail 4:12, 7:22, 8:5, 46:4 50:4, 50:23, 52:23, testify 26:21, 41:10 8:10, 8:12, 8:13, unfolding 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2006 22:18, 23:6, 23:15, work 5:5, 6:17, 23:17, 23:24, 24:1, 13:11, 16:19, 24:19, < Dates > 35:21, 36:5, 36:10, 25:3, 25:4, 30:12, june 14, 2006 1:8, 37:17, 37:21, 37:24, 36:14, 48:9, 49:14, 1:8, 1:8 38:16, 39:1, 39:6, 50:2 39:7, 39:7, 39:10, worked 16:12, 16:14 39:17, 40:4, 40:9, working 47:10, 40:19, 41:14, 41:19, 48:16, 55:13, 55:18 41:22, 42:1, 47:22 works 32:5 waters 24:12 worried 16:9 wave 33:15, 33:17, wrap 54:11 33:18 WYETH 2:14, 57:14, wax 31:14 58:7, 58:13, 58:19, Weber 13:20, 15:24 58:23 wells 50:15 West 4:11, 7:14, 7:21, 9:21, 22:20, < Y > 36:12, 44:12, 46:1, yard 41:15 46:3, 51:9, 57:21 year 17:24, 31:23, whatever 31:5, 37:21, 40:1 33:12 years 18:1, 20:17, WHEREOF 61:16 20:18, 25:12, 31:16, WHEREUPON 4:17, 33:15, 37:19, 40:18, 14:10, 15:19,17:2, 42:1 19:2, 22:13, 25:6, yellow- shaded 27:12, 37:8, 42:24, 10:20 45:9, 49:21, 50:24, Yorkville 1:2, 1:10, 57:15 2:16, 4:4, 4:6, 4:7, whether 23:16, 24:5, 4:20, 14:13, 15:22, 34:13 17:5, 19:5, 20:3, WHITEHOUSE 20:23, 22:16, 25:9, 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