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City Council Minutes 2011 07-12-11 i MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE,KENDALL COUNTY,H.LINOIS, HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 800 GAME FARM ROAD ON TUESDAY,JULY 12,2011 Mayor Golinski called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. and led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance. ROLL CALL City Clerk Warren called the roll. Ward I Gilson Present Colosimo Present Ward I I Milschewski Present Kot Present Ward III Munns Present(arrived at 7:48) Funkhouser Present Ward IV Spears Present Teeling Present(left at 9:42) Also present: City Clerk Warren, City Treasurer Powell, City Attorney Orr, City Administrator Olson, Police Chief Hart,Deputy Chiefs of Police Hilt,Public Works Director Dhuse,Finance Director Fredrickson,EEI Engineer Sanderson, and Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble QUORUM A quorum was established. AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to revise the dollar amount of Consent Agenda item 1 CC 2011 —76 bills for payment for the amount of$544,298.47 to $420,671.47. So moved Alderman Colosimo; seconded Alderman Funkhouser. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0 Teeling-aye, Gilson-aye,Funkhouser-aye, Spears-aye, Milschewski-aye, Colosimo-aye,Kot-aye PRESENTATIONS None. PUBLIC HEARINGS 1. Building Code Update Please, see attached report of proceedings by Christine Vitosh C.S.R.from Depo Court Reporting Service for the transcription of this portion of the meeting. CITIZEN COMMENTS Mike Skinner,a citizen, strongly requests that the City Council does not appoint Arthur Prochaska to the Plan Commission.Prochaska's administration is the major cause of our economic situation in the City of Yorkville, and now the city is feeling the effects of that administration.Arthur Prochaska's questionable annexation agreements that resulted in lawsuits that the city is still paying the legal bills,the mass annexation of subdivisions that have dragged this City down financially with water and sewer extensions. He is not saying that Arthur Prochaska is personally responsible,but his administration is. It is a slap in the face to all the citizens that are trying to put this town back on track. Todd Milliron, 61 Cotswold Drive,thanked the committee for the work on the fire sprinklers and building codes.He stated Alderman Spears said a value cannot be put on a person's life, and the additional cost of fire sprinkler was well worth it. If she can make that argument,then he doesn't understand her opposition to the minimal cost of the bike trails.It's interesting that Mayor Golinski is appointing former Mayor Arthur Prochaska to the Planning Commission.Anne Lucietto, who is the current chairman,has served on the Planning Commission since 1990. She is an experienced mechanical engineer. She has worked for Com Ed, Fermi Lab and Caterpillar.Anne Lucietto has given 23 years of public service to the city of Yorkville and has served the city with distinction. Our current mayor has not even lived in the City of Yorkville for 10 years.This appointment is not based on expertise but on politics. The reason that Anne Lucietto is being discarded was that she did not live within the city limits.According to state statute that is not a disqualifying factor.As long as she has lived within one and a half miles of the city limits she is eligible to serve on the plan commission.That is a state statute.Mayor Golinski is recommending for appointment a former Mayor whose leadership resulted in multiple lawsuits being filed against the city and resulting in a loss of hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars.Back in 2007 when Mayor Burd appointed Jeff Baker and the City Council appointed Anne Lucietto to the Plan Commission Alderman The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 2 of 9 Golinski attacked her for appointing what he called her political cronies.He had no proof of any cronyism,but that didn't stop him.Mr.Baker lived a few blocks away from Mayor Burd, and that was his damning evidence. Mayor Golinski didn't realize that Ann Lucietto, at that time,had served on the plan commission for 17 years.If those appointments were cronyism,then what is this?Mr. Prochaska appointed Mr. Golinski to the City Council in 2007,and can be given credit for starting Mr. Golinski's political career.If the City Council votes in favor of this appointment tonight then they will be sending Yorkville a clear message about their integrity and what the City Council really stand for.Mayor Golinski asked Mayor Burd,"How can you sleep at night when you did not reappoint a long serving member of the Library Board"?Maybe Mayor Golinski would like to answer his own question in regards to this Plan Commission appointment. Jesus Alaniz, Colonial Parkway, stated there are things that just don't make sense with the State of Illinois and he doesn't trust the state government.He discussed the Route 47 Project changes to the drawings.To make changes does take work but not thousands of dollars.There is no statute that can justify why it costs thousands of dollars to make those changes. He stated the City Council is in its infancy and must be careful not to cave on issues.He has an issue with the usage tax the Governor passed this year.The Constitution states that a person cannot pass a law and make it retroactive and then charge someone with a crime. Yet,that is what the Governor did.He takes the usage tax law and goes back to July of 2004 and states that everyone is now responsible. Citizens have until October of this year to pay any usage tax going back to 2004.He granted this under the status of amnesty. People are telling him to pay the tax for it is only three dollars,yet,he brings up the scenario of the penny tax.He brought up the issue of City Council members receiving health insurance benefits.He believes that it is no crime to take a benefit if it is being offered.This information has been released through the Freedom of Information Act.The Governor assigned one person to handle the Freedom of Information Act requests.The City must assign a person to handle this or be charged a fine between$2,000 and$5,000 dollars.The Governor holds the city to one standard while he has another standard for himself. Lisa Madigan used the Freedom of Information Act to try to make public the names of everyone who owned firearms.He still feels that the bike trails are an unnecessary expense,but would like to know the cost of the overall project.He wants to know who is going to do the work.Will the Illinois Department of Transportation or the State be utilizing independent contractors?If so,who will assume the liability risks and costs?If the city proceeds with the trails utilizing independent contractors,he believes the contractor should be bonded.He understands this has been a big burden put on the Mayor and City.If nothing else, our citizens deserve to have confidence in our government, especially during these tough times. Tom Gilmour,a citizen,regrets having to make this statement,but he wanted to comment on Mayor Golinski's appointment of the former Mayor Arthur Prochaska for the Plan Commission.He is disappointed in the Mayor's choice of this appointment due to the former mayor's involvement in the landfill development.He believes Arthur Prochaska acted as a conduit for the Fox Moraine landfill.He believes this is reason enough to deny the former mayor's appointment to the Plan Commission.Mr. Prochaska concealed the fact of the landfill from the developers along the Fox Road corridor knowing that the annexation of these properties was necessary to annex the property on which the landfill would occupy as shown in the confidential memos Mr.Prochaska had sent.The memo also stated the need to keep this information from developers.Risky ways to pay for utilities were also suggested to expedite the annexation. Secondly,the Mayor also tried to deceive the public by saying the annexation was not about the landfill,although the proposed landfill was discussed throughout the memo.The memos stated that Yorkville will be impacted in excess by the proposed landfill,not just environmental but in terms of excess traffic and smell.Mr. Gilmour stated it shows a complete disregard for health, safety, and quality of life for both the city and surrounding area.In summary someone with this track record should not be put in the position of planning and development in Yorkville.This city's involvement with the proposed landfill has cost Yorkville hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past five years, including legal fees stemming from this lawsuit.He urges the City Council not to make this appointment tonight,but rather continue to look for qualified candidates. Glen Poole, a citizen,has lived in Yorkville for eight years.He came to Yorkville because of its small- town charm,and he wanted this to be his retirement community.Mr.Poole wants to speak tonight about Arthur Prochaska.Mr. Prochaska was a good mayor, and he did good things for Yorkville.However, due to what occurred during Mr.Prochaska's administration,which impacted the community; Mr.Poole does not want Mr. Prochaska to be appointed to the Plan Commission.Mr.Poole asked that the Mayor and City Council consider his position.He would recommend finding more candidates for the Plan Commission. Fred DuSell,a citizen,has lived in Yorkville since 2003.He went through the process with the landfill situation.Mr.DuSell is tired of paying for legal expenses of elected officials that were neglectful of their duty to the taxpayers of Yorkville.Mr.DuSell is very upset about that.He believes Mr.Prochaska has demonstrated a lack of fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers of Yorkville,and Mr.DuSell doesn't believe Mr.Prochaska deserves this appointment. The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 3 of 9 i, CONSENT AGENDA 1. CC 2011-76 Bills for Payment-$420,671.47 i 2. PW 2011-41 100 Bridge Street Plaza—Permanent Fire Hydrant Easement—authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute 3. PS 2011-17 Police Reports for May 2011 4. Ordinance 2011-28 Authorizing the Collection of an Application Fee from Applicants to the Police and Fire Departments—authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute(PS 2011-19) Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as presented. So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Alderman Milschewski. Alderman Colosimo stated two line items need to be amended by motion on the bill list itself before the City Council votes on the Consent Agenda.He stated that on the bill list,the two payments that were erroneous were never officially removed to amend those two line items.He wants to amend those two line items.The only amendment that was mentioned was the new total but never specifically the two line items.For posterity and for the record,he believes the City Council should amend the two line items. City Attorney Orr asked if the City Council, for the record,assumed that the change in the total reflects a change on page 1 of the bill list of the WMSY property changed from$130,000 to$6400 and at the revised sum also reflects for the record page 17 of the bill list Big Ben Builders check amount been changed from$596.70 to$569.70. Thank you. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0 Colosimo-aye,Milschewski-aye, Spears-aye,Munns-aye, Funkhouser-aye, Gilson-aye,Teeling-aye,Kot-aye Minutes for Approval: 1. CC 2011-64 Minutes of City Council—May 24,2011 2. CC 2011-77 Minutes of City Council—June 14,2011 Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the minutes of the City Council from May 24,2011 and June 14,2011 as presented. So moved Alderman Spears; seconded Alderman Mums. Alderman Milschewski had more changes to the May 24,2011,minutes which had been tabled. On page 15 of 15 under the Executive Session is still out of order with the Mayor entertaining a motion,and it was not reflected who was seconded until after the roll call. There should be a vote after the so moved and seconded.These changes will be reflected in the future minutes.Alderman Colosimo stated that on the May 24, 2011,meeting the first citizen to speak had an incorrect last name.His last name was Stagner. Alderman Spears stated on page 3, second paragraph,needs to be changed from state to stake holder meeting.Also on page 5 under Public Works Committee report the second sentence all that needs to be done is to take the period out.Also, on page 9 the 1 lth sentence up,it states Alderman Spears asks City Administrator Olson to answer his question.Alderman Spears stated Alderman Gilson said the last contractor hasn't been paid instead of hasn't paid. On page 14 under the Community Liaison report Alderman Spears attended the NEIL board meeting instead of the Illinois board meeting.Also, where it says Alderman Spears asked citizens to contact their senators for disapproval of the budget.All of these corrections must be shown on the July 12,2011,minutes as well as on the actual May 24,2011, City Council meeting minutes.Mayor Golinski stated that the City Council can approve the minutes as amended. The amended minutes were unanimously approved by a viva voce vote. City Attorney Orr stated that the vote was for both sets of minutes. REPORTS MAYOR'S REPORT Appointment to Plan Commission—Arthur Prochaska (CC 2011-78) Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the Mayor's Appointment of Arthur Prochaska Jr.to the Plan Commission. So moved by Alderman Kot; seconded by Alderman Milschewski. Alderman Gilson does not believe Arthur Prochaska should be appointed to the Plan Commission Committee.Due to Mr.Prochaska's involvement with the past administration,for it was detrimental to the city.Mr.Prochaska left the city holding the bag, costing the residents and the taxpayers. It is a bad idea to put Mr. Prochaska back in an advisory position. Based on what Alderman Gilson stated and what the citizens stated,Alderman Teeling cannot approve this appointment. I�, The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 4 of 9 Alderman Colosimo has known Mr.Prochaska for several years and thinks he is a good man. He has made mistakes in the past,and no administration is perfect.He believes this is a good thing for Yorkville. He must go with his gut and approve the appointment of Mr.Prochaska to the Plan Commission simply for the fact that he respects our current Mayor. This is an advisory position and ultimately the decisions that the Plan Commission Committee make have to be approved by the City Council.Alderman Colosimo feels there are enough safeguards so if the City Council doesn't like what is happening then ultimately it is the City Council's decision.Mr.Prochaska is willing to step up for no pay and a lot of work with very little acknowledgment from the residents.He will vote to appoint Arthur Prochaska and if he is appointed, wishes him well. Alderman Funkhouser was surprised to see the recommendation for the appointment of Arthur Prochaska after everything that has transpired over the years.Mr.Prochaska is willing to step up and the city does have safeguards.This is an advisory committee, so if somebody is not working for the best interest of the city,then it is the City Council's responsibility to oversee that. If Mr.Prochaska were to be appointed,the City Council is taking that responsibility.He has given this much thought and has decided to vote yes to the appointment of Arthur Prochaska. Alderman Teeling wanted the City Council to know that the city had another applicant and that applicant was qualified.Alderman Gilson said the city did have another applicant which he thought would do a nice job.The City Council should wait and to see if there are other applicants. Alderman Munns stated for the record,that in the past when the landfill issues started,he voted against the landfill. Arthur Prochaska has done good things for the city,but obviously,the landfill issue goes on the other side.He has agreed and disagreed with Mr.Prochaska when he was Mayor and on the City Council.This is an advisory board and the board cannot do anything without the consent of the City Council.It will be a tough call either way.He asked Mayor Golinski if the City Council has always voted on appointments or does the Mayor just appoint these positions himself. Alderman Munns doesn't remember voting on these appointments. Mayor Golinski stated he needs consent of the City Council.Mayor Golinski feels that Arthur Prochaska was perfect for the Plan Commission.with his knowledge, experience, and history with the City. Mr. Prochaska has done a lot for the City of Yorkville over the years.Mayor Golinski has talked to Mr. Prochaska on many issues,and whether he agrees with him or not,has always valued his opinion. Mayor Golinski stated that is what he looks for in an advisory board member.He doesn't understand the controversy, and feels Mr.Prochaska has done more for the city than many people in this room.He believes the development during Mr. Prochaska's administration has been phenomenal. Alderman Gilson asked Mayor Golinski to remember the issues do not stop with the landfill.That was one major part of a bigger picture. Some issues the City Council cannot speak about, and some issues the citizens are well aware.When a person makes a mistake they should own up to it.When a person doesn't collect debt from developers,it cost the city millions of dollars,which is what happened.To this day that mistake has not been owned up to.The City Council has stated the city has safeguards in place.The only safeguard the city has in place was raising the taxes and taking the money back out of the resident's pockets,which is not a safeguard.He asked the City Council to please take a step back, look at everything that has transpired, and once again requests that the City Council wait on this issue. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-6 Nays-2 Munns-aye, Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye, Milschewski-aye,Teeling-nay, Gilson-nay,Kot-aye Appointment of Deputy Clerk (CC 2011-79) Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the appointment of Lisa Pickering as Deputy Clerk. So moved by Alderman Munns; second and by Alderman Colosimo. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0 Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye, Teeling-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye IDOT Agreement for Reconstruction of Route 47 (CC 2011-80) Mayor Golinski said the City received new estimates from IDOT regarding Yorkville's share of the Route 47 Project. It went down about$900,000 dollars.The original estimate was 3.58 million the new estimate is 2.625 million.That is a difference of about$900,000 dollars.The staff is asking for direction due to this new cost savings.Is the city proceeding with taking out all amenities?Mayor Golinski received phone calls from downtown businesses asking the city not to remove these items from the downtown The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 5 of 9 aesthetics.There are developers looking to invest a lot of money in our downtown,and the developers also asked the city not to remove the aesthetics. Alderman Munns asked if it is really going to stop developers from developing,if the amenities are not included in the Route 47 Project. If the city can save money by leaving out the aesthetics,then the money can be used for many other items. Alderman Munns doesn't believe leaving out amenities is going to make that big of a difference. Alderman Colosimo agreed with Alderman Munns.The City Council has one chance to make a decision, and the residents were told that the City Council would try to trim the cost.Alderman Gilson also agrees with Alderman Munns and Alderman Colosimo. Alderman Gilson had questions on some of these items and began asking several questions to City Administrator Olson in regards to IDOT's road construction maintenance, safety accommodations, crosswalks, and costs of time delay for removing items. City Administrator Olson answered these questions by stating the questions might be easier answered by forwarding the e-mail from]DOT for they did address each item individually. They are not asking for comments on every other section in the agreement tonight.They are mainly looking for direction on stamping, coloring, fencing, and trails.Alderman Gilson stated the reason he is asking these questions now is if the City Council is going to vote on these items then the Council should have the whole picture of what the items cost. City Administrator Olson stated from what he gathered from reading the e-mail there was nothing in the city's questions and IDOT's answers that would significantly delay the project or cost additional money. It was merely justification based on those decisions.Alderman Gilson asked if adding sidewalks is going to cost the city any additional money and if IDOT will throw those in there.Alderman Gilson wonders how this will all work. City Administrator Olson stated that there was an omission on IDOT's part,and they agreed to do it at their cost. Alderman Spears said the City Council is not voting on this tonight.Mayor Golinski wants direction on the optional items that the City Council has talked about removing.Alderman Gilson wanted to know if the City Council would come back to this issue in the future.He has more questions to be asked. City Administrator Olson said he would be happy to put as part of the public record if Alderman Gilson wants to forward his comments over then he can answer them individually in detail,put them in the packet for the next meeting,and then that will give Alderman Gilson the benefit of seeing what IDOT sends to him. Alderman Gilson stated that if the City Council is just voting on removing those items,he believes that should happen. Alderman Funkhouser said as a consideration,the City Council needs to keep the stamped concrete on the crosswalks.He believes this amenity has an actual safety benefit. If the city can manage keeping this in, he feels it is very important. Alderman Milschewski wanted to know the cost to cut these items. City Administrator Olson stated to remove them it would cost nothing.He did confirm that the removal of coloring, stamping, fencing,and handrails could be done with in house staff that there would be no delay to the project,and no cost to the city. Mayor Golinski said there are four items, so he assumes the City Council members are okay with removing the Fox fencing and handrails. Should the City Council go around the room to give a decision on the stamped sidewalk and the coloring, or do the City Council members want to get rid of those amenities, also?Alderman Milschewski asked if the stamped concrete will be hard to maintain.Public Works Director Dhuse stated it is a state road, so it will be maintained.Alderman Milschewski clarified the stamped concrete the city is removing is the crosswalk,not the walkway. City Administrator Olson believes there was some stamping on the curb and two feet back from the curb.Public Works Director Dhuse stated there is a ribbon behind the curb. There is stamping and coloring behind the curb,as well. City Administrator Olson stated that this is to differentiate the closest point to the curb. Alderman Milschewski assumed the state is putting some type of design into the stamping.Public Works Director Dhuse stated the city is putting a brick or rock formation in the stamping. Alderman Milschewski asked if that will be hard for staff to maintain. Public Works Director Dhuse stated it would be like maintaining a brick driveway. Alderman Milschewski stated it is something the city could lose.Alderman Colosimo asked the cost.Mayor Golinski stated$59,000 for the stamping and$19,000 for the coloring. The City Council had talked about removing the stamping and keeping the coloring, so the crosswalks would be red.Part of this also is the ADA curb ramp. If both the stamping and coloring are removed,the city will not have ADA curb ramps that are colored and textured. The city would still have the ramps.The ramps would be regular concrete.Alderman Funkhouser stated that the ADA curb ramps are a state requirement and cannot be removed.He wanted to clarify from the City Council that the coloring and stamping is explicitly the crosswalks or does that include the curb and the two foot band adjacent to the roadways. City administrator Olson stated the total$19,000 coloring is crosswalks, sidewalks, and curbs. Originally, he thought the$59,000 was the stamping for sidewalks but now he thinks it was for crosswalks as well. He doesn't know what the differentiation is between the two. Alderman Funkhouser votes to leave the color for the crosswalks. Alderman Funkhouser stated that if the coloring would make the sidewalks and crosswalks pop,he believes the coloring is ok.However,he would still prefer the stamping,handrails, and guardrails.Alderman Spears would like to have all amenities out of the city's budget and use the money to provide for a flashing light at pedestrian crossings in the downtown area. There is no money in the city's budget.Alderman Kot stated that he would like to see the colored sidewalks or crosswalks stay in.He believes, for the money,that is a nice asset for the downtown area.Alderman Gilson would like to i The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 6 of 9 remove all the amenities. Alderman Teeling would love to see all the amenities stay in,but she realizes that is not an option. She would like at least the coloring to stand as an option. Mayor Golinski asked if it is correct that the city should get rid of everything except for the coloring.Alderman Munns asked how many City Council members wanted coloring.Four answered yes.Alderman Milschewski asked if the city is specifying the coloring just for the crosswalks or all of it. City Attorney Orr stated just for number two,the$19,000 there were four.Mayor Golinski said to keep the coloring for$19,000.He asked City Administrator Olson if he had clear direction, and City Administrator Olson stated fencing out,handrail out, stamping out, and coloring in.He will send in that letter to IDOT tomorrow. Heartland Circle—Rescind Warranty Bond Call (CC 2011-81) Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to rescind the previously approved call of a developer's bond B98804-010285. So moved by Alderman Funkhouser; seconded by Alderman Spears. Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble stated the City Council authorized city staff to call a bond from the developer. It was about$4,000 dollars that was an outstanding punch list item from the Heartland Circle Subdivision.At that time there were four trees that had died and needed to be taken away. Since that time the staff has reviewed the punch list and the annexation agreement. There are clauses in the agreement that state it has to respond within 30 calendar days as a request for improvements to be completed and sent into the city.That was not met, so she is asking approval from the City Council to rescind the previously granted warranty bond call for Heartland Circle and authorized the city staff to execute and send the attached letter to the bond issuer.Alderman Gilson wanted to know if Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble had already submitted the letter dated July 13, 2011. Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble had not submitted it. She is showing the letter to the City Council, so they can see the language in the letter.Alderman Gilson stated that on May 6, 2010,there was a letter from the former City Engineer Wywrot in response to the request to the developer. Alderman Gilson wanted to know if there was any response from that letter. Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble stated she was not involved but the developer is here tonight.The developer, Gary Neyer, stated they completed this on May 6t'. Alderman Gilson questioned whether there was a response to the May 6,2010 letter.Mr.Neyer stated no.Alderman Gilson stated he read a memo about the city's crosswalks, intersections, and replacement of trees.Fourteen trees were listed.The developer, Gary Neyer, stated that is correct. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0 Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye,Teeling-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye, Spears-aye PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT Route 71 (Route 47 to Orchard Road)—IDOT Letter of Understanding (PW 2011-40) Alderman Gilson made a motion to approve the letter of understanding between IDOT and the United City of Yorkville regarding the proposed Route 71 Project and authorized the Mayor to execute. So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Aldermen Munns. Alderman Gilson asked if the city budget covered sidewalks between Walsh Drive to Walgreens. If so, Alderman Gilson wanted to know when the funding will be available. City Administrator Olson stated the city has not yet budgeted for these.The project should be built within the next 5 to 10 years.The city has not budgeted for phase 2 for engineering or phase 3 which is construction.It is 5 to 10 years out from having to be budgeted. Alderman Gilson asked about the shared use paths and wanted to know if the city has budgeted for these trails. City Administrator Olson stated the same answer that was given for the sidewalks because it is that far off.For now,the city has a three year budget.Alderman Gilson asked if the city had gotten a commitment from the county and other entities regarding their payments for their parts of those sections. City Administrator Olson stated no.He just received their letter of understanding. Alderman Gilson mentioned the lighting and stated he assumes it is all the same cost.The city has a budget that is 5 to 10 years out, and he mentioned it is that way for engineering and all across the board. City Administrator Olson stated that is correct. Alderman Gilson said on page 2 of the memo of the Illinois Department of Transportation it states that if the city should decide in the future to eliminate work listed above,they may be responsible for the actual cost of preliminary engineering. City Administrator Olson stated correct.His understanding was as long as the city removes the trails prior to the beginning of phase 2 design engineering it shouldn't be a problem.He has a verbal commitment from IDOT,but not in writing. Alderman Gilson stated that the Yorkville portion of this project is tentatively scheduled for construction in the fiscal years 2012 to 2017. Is IDOT going to guarantee Yorkville that they are going to have the funding available for this project, and if they don't, can the city charge IDOT back?He doesn't understand why IDOT expects Yorkville to project out to 2017,but if IDOT cannot come up with the funding that is okay. Alderman Spears said that i The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 7 of 9 on page 2 of 1DOT's letter to the city it stated other items such as utility,relocations, and sewer casings would also be 100%of the local agency costs. She has a concern projecting out that far. She believes the city is going to put ourselves in a position it is in with other items right now.There is no way to know what type of economy the city will have in 2017. Alderman Colosimo agrees with Alderman Spears and Alderman Gilson.He can't promise that the city �' p p Y will be able to budget for these items in 2017.The first step would be to look at a bigger budget plan so the city can see what their projections are and where the city can allocate resources in the future. If this is a priority for the City to allocate the resources then send the letter off stating that the City Council agreed to commit these resources in the future. Alderman Gilson stated even if the city projects for these items in 2017 the money may not come in to support the projects based on the City's projection.Alderman Gilson believes the City Council cannot cave in to this item by sending a letter of understanding to IDOT saying the money will be there. Alderman Colosimo stated the widening of a state road is a 5 to 10 year project. A City will always be in the predicament of having to budget 5 to 10 years ahead.If a budget could be worked out,the City Council would still not be 100%sure if the money would be available but would have a better idea.There will always be a little risk to get a project completed that is 5 to 10 years down the road otherwise the roads will never get widened.The City Council must be conservative in approaching the budget. Alderman Funkhouser stated that the widening of Route 71 is worthwhile,however questions whether the city can afford its portion in the future.The removal of the provision that the city is responsible for changes initiated by IDOT would make the project more desirable. Another negative to the project is the cost associated with changes initiated by the city. Motion failed by a roll call vote. Ayes-2 Nays-6 Teeling-aye, Gilson-nay,Kot-aye,Munns-nay, Spears-nay, Colosimo-nay,Funkhouser-nay,Milschewski-nay Progressive Energy Natural Gas Proposal (PW 2011-44) Alderman Gilson made a motion to move gas accounts from Nicor to Santanna for a contract term of 12 months. Seconded by Alderman Colosimo. Alderman Munns confirmed with City Administrator Olson that in a previous discussion he felt that switching to Santanna would not provide substantial savings.Alderman Munns questioned from where Santanna's portion comes.He wants to know who is responsible for the purchase of the gas and who is responsible for the maintenance of the lines. City Administrator Olson stated Santanna is paid a percentage from Nicor and that Nicor would be responsible for maintaining pipelines. Santanna would be responsible only for the production of gas. Alderman Gilson questioned if the removal of the 10 accounts from Nicor would increase the overall cost to the City. City Administrator Olson stated he does not believe the price is volume based but simply a flat rate for the Cash for Terms Program. Alderman Gilson suggests the city verify the cost associated with these changes. Alderman Colosimo questioned whether the rebate associated with gas purchase is based on usage, and if so,how would it affect the city. City Administrator Olson stated that the rebate is based on population,not based on usage. Alderman Colosimo moved to table this issue back to Public Works so the city can get an answer on how it will affect the rate if we reduce our consumption. Seconded by Alderman Gilson. Motion to table approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0 Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye, Spears-aye ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT No report. PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT No report. ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT No report. PARK BOARD Raintree Village Park B—Change Order#1 (CC 2011-82) The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 8 of 9 Mayor Gohnski entertained a motion to approve a change order for Raintree Village Part B playground, amount not to exceed$740 dollars. So moved by Alderman Colosimo; seconded by Alderman Funkhouser. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0 Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye, Munns-aye, Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye PLAN COMMISSION Mayor Golinski stated the Plan Commission meeting is tomorrow.He is appointing Tom Lindblom as the new chairman of the Plan Commission.That is just an informational item. i ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS No report. CITY COUNCIL REPORT No report. CITY CLERK's REPORT No report. CITY TREASURER'S REPORT City Treasurer Powell stated the city was notified today that Illinois Department of Insurance was going to perform a routine audit on the police pension fund.This is the first audit the city has ever had on this fund.He is looking forward to seeing how the city does. COMMUNITY&LIAISON REPORT The Developer Impact Fees Alderman Colosimo stated the Library Board wants to discuss the ordinance covering the developer impact fees at upcoming Administration Committee Meeting.The Library Board's concern is that the ordinance is too restrictive. City Attorney Orr has drafted a new proposed ordinance and showed it in last night's Library Board meeting.The proposed ordinance would give the Library Board more flexibility for expenditures. YBSD Meeting Alderman Gilson attended the Yorkville Bristol Sanitary District meeting on July 11,2011. The committee discussed liability insurance and pollution insurance if necessary.The contract,which will be approved August 8,2011,was reviewed.Penalties and punitive damages were excluded.June and July bills were approved as presented.The Dissolved Oxygen Project has been delayed due to lack of parts. Plant gates are in the process of automating, and the operators for those gates are$5,000 done by remote. They met with Hutchinson Engineering about River Road Bridge construction.A concern is a rise in the elevation of the road and the narrowing of the entrance to the plant and drainage.YBSD are also expressing concern about fast tracking the bridge construction without a report on how they are going to handle the dam.They asked if the bridge construction might be jeopardized depending on the outcome of the dam stabilization or removal.YBSD did a couple student tours this week and met with the city to discuss the ice cream facility for the Whitewater Park and the possibility of a restaurant behind the facility.They have an issue with cutting a deal with a private business in a public place versus cutting a deal with a private business across the street.YBSD has no long-term incentive to cut a deal.YBSD wants more communication between the city and the district.Former City Engineer Joe Wywrot was the point man, and who should the citizens go to now for day-to-day issues.YBSD didn't know about the White Water business before they had plumbing on the floor.A permit is supposed to be obtained first before construction is allowed.There is a lack of communication that would be fixed if businesses follow the proper procedure.YBSD plans on keeping their fees consistent,and they believe their fees are justified.The city is considering sacrificing their exemption status regarding paying the real estate taxes on that facility. If the city wants to rent property,then the City needs to start considering payment of the fees and real estate taxes ahead of time. The YBSD stated there is 50%more water being treated by the YBSD city pumps annually. Grease traps and appliance standards were discussed.There was a report that the budget has been passed,and the report needs to be signed so the YBSD can post the budget. New higher policies were discussed.There will be a meeting with the Fox River study group for the river is very low and they will be discussing that. The flow will be discussed, also.The YBSD also had a discussion on secondary bank selection. Alderman Colosimo pointed out that publication one which was PS 1 Parking Grande Reserve North,was overlooked on the agenda.He would like that to be put on the next City Council meeting. City Administrators Olson stated the reason it was in the packet is that it was on the draft agenda and the city did not send out the notification letters to the residents on time. It was scheduled for the next meeting. The information did not get removed from the packet.Alderman Colosimo asked when a letter is going out. City Administrator Olson stated that it went out July 11,2011. The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the City Council—July 12,2011—Page 9 of 9 STAFF REPORT No report. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS Signage Alderman Munns stated that due to the tree falling down on Cannonball Trail,he wants to have signs put up at the entrance of Route 47. Residents are upset with trucks speeding through their subdivision.Public Works Director Dhuse will get signs up tomorrow.Police Chief Hart stated his department is keeping an extra watch out for semis. Breakdown of housing department costs Alderman Colosimo wanted a breakdown of our departments when a new house is built in Yorkville,with the fee amount,how it gets distributed and if it is possible to get a comparison for municipalities within Kendall County.If the city is encouraging development,he would like to see how competitive the city is. City Administrator Olson stated that it is being done in Economic Development Committee at this time and will be reported back to the City Council. EXECUTIVE SESSION Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to go into Executive Session for the purpose of the following three items. 1. For litigation, when an action against, affecting, or on behalf of the particular public body has been filed and is pending before a court or administrative tribunal, or when the public body finds that an action is probable or imminent, in which case the basis for the finding shall be recorded and entered into the minutes of the closed meeting. 2. The purchase or lease of real property for use of the public body. 3. The setting of a price for sale or lease of property owned by the public body. So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Alderman Milschewski. Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0 Spears-aye,Milschewski-aye, Colosimo-aye,Kot-aye, Gilson-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Munns-aye The City Council entered Executive Session at 10:02 p.m. The City Council returned to regular session at 10:31 p.m. i ADJOURNMENT Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved by Alderman Funkhouser; seconded by Alderman Milschewski. Adjournment of the meeting was unanimously approved by a viva voce vote. Meeting adjourned at10:32 p.m. Minutes submitted by: Ce^ Beth Warren, City Clerk, City of Yorkville,Illinois I � UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE YORKVILLE, ILLINOIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING PUBLIC HEARING i I 800 Game Farm Road, Yorkville, Illinois i Tuesday, July 12 , 2011 i i s D-943611 i , i i REPO • COURT reporting service - 1300 Iroquois Avenue,Suite 205 Naperville, IL 60563 630-983-0030 • Fax: 630-778-4824 e-mail:depocourt @depocourt.com • www.depocourt.com 2 1 PRESENT : 2 Mr . Gary Golinski , Mayor; 3 Mr . George Gilson, Jr . , Alderman; 4 Mr . Carlo Colosimo, Alderman; 5 Ms . Jackie Milschewski, Alderman; 6 Mr . Larry Kot, Alderman; 7 Mr . Marty Munns , Alderman; 8 Mr . Chris Funkhouser, Alderman ; 9 Ms . Rose Ann Spears , Alderman; 10 Ms . Diane Teeling, Alderman . 11 12 ALSO PRESENT : 13 Mr . Bart Olson, City Administrator, 14 Mr . William Powell , City Treasurer, 15 Ms . Beth Warren, City Clerk, 16 Ms . Kathleen Field-Orr, City Attorney. 17 - - - 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 3 1 ( Pledge of Allegiance . ) 2 MAYOR GOLINSKI : We will go into public 3 hearing for the building code update . 4 MS . NOBLE : Sure . Good evening . This 07:02PM 5 has been a long journey for the Community 6 Development Department as well as the Building 7 Update Committee . 8 They were appointed last year, and 9 beginning July, 2010 we went into the process of a 07:02PM 10 nine-month long endeavor of updating, going 11 through each of the codes , analyzing them, and 12 coming to some recommendations that we ' re going to 13 be giving to you tonight . 14 Currently the City is operating 07:02PM 15 under the 2000 I codes ; those are the 2000 16 International codes . They are standard throughout 17 the country . There is a committee that meets 18 yearly, and every three years the cycle of these 19 codes are updated, so the codes have been updated 07:02PM 20 in 2003 , 2006 and now 2009, and we are three 21 cycles behind the most recent code updates and we 22 are looking to increase that time frame of us 23 reviewing these codes so that we are constant with 24 what the new building practices and construction Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 4 1 practices and management styles are . 2 So, with that being said, the Staff 3 has put together a very comprehensive memo of all 4 of our discussions and recommendations for the 07:03PM 5 building code update today, and I will point out 6 just a few things . 7 The International Fuel and Gas Code, 8 we ' re looking at the 2009 version, and there is 9 one recommendation that Staff is making that is 07:03PM 10 not in sync with the Building Code Update 11 Committee, just so you know that . 12 The International Plumbing Code , we 13 are looking at adopting the 2009 as well as the 14 most current version of the state plumbing code . 07:03PM 15 There is a matter on that issue about the water 16 size connection, water service pipelines . Staff 17 initially was recommending one and a half inch -- 18 one and a quarter inch, which the Building Code 19 Update Committee recommended. We were looking at 07:04PM 20 one and a half inch, and further explanation can 21 be given to you in our discussion . 22 We ' re adopting the Illinois Energy 23 Conservation Code 2009 . This code went into 24 effect January -- through January, 2010 ; it ' s Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 5 1 supposed to go into effect for all communities in 2 2010 . We were utilizing this as a state mandate, 3 so we ' re looking for no amendments to that code . 4 There is a 2009 International 07:04PM 5 Mechanical Code, the 2009 International Property 6 Maintenance Code , the 2009 International Fire I � 7 Code , and you get into the area that we ' re all 8 probably here to discuss , the 2009 International 9 Residential Code . 07:04PM 10 This code is a minimum code, all the 11 codes are minimum codes , and they ' re requiring 12 fire suppression sprinkler systems in residential 13 homes . That ' s something that the Building Code 14 Update Committee decided to not put into this 07:05PM 15 code . I 16 Staff is looking to put it into the 17 code so that we ' re not less restrictive and we ' re 18 looking at possibly any new home that ' s built , 19 3 , 500 square feet or more, would be required to 07:05PM 20 have a fire suppression system. 21 We ' re looking at the 2009 22 International Building Code and the 2009 23 International existing building code . 24 The one code that Staff really wants Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 6 1 to emphasize is the Electrical Code in our 2 discussions . The recommendation was made to 3 approve the 2008 National Electrical Code . That 4 code is harmonious with the 2009 series of the I 07:05PM 5 codes . 6 The Building Code Update Committee 7 decided to go to the 2005 code ; Staff is still 8 recommending the 2008 . 9 Jeremy Canavan, who is with the 07:05PM 10 Bristol-Kendall Fire District, was our 11 chairperson . If you ' ll come up . He has a 12 presentation and he will discuss the fire 13 suppression system, and I have in the audience 14 Dick Blondin from B & F Technical Services to 07:06PM 15 answer more specific code questions that you might 16 have . Turn it over to Jeremy . 17 MR . CANAVAN : Good evening, everybody . 18 Before the video begins , as Krysti said, we were -- 19 working on these codes for quite a while and it 07:06PM 20 was my pleasure to chair the committee . I learned 21 a lot from that . 22 One of the biggest topics obviously 23 was the residential fire sprinklers . The City 24 came back and said that we would like to have a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 7 1 3 , 500 square foot threshold . Obviously I would 2 like to have the zero threshold as the code says . 3 Any time you make a code less stringent , it sets 4 yourself up for lawsuits and what not . 07:06PM 5 So with that , I would like to i 6 present a video, it ' s real short , and then I will 7 talk to you real quick and we ' ll go from there . 8 (Video presentation . ) 9 MR . CANAVAN : Thanks for your patience I 07:17PM 10 everybody, appreciate that . So our fire chief, 11 Bristol-Kendall Fire , had a house recently built 12 and he put a fire sprinkler system in . It was a 13 little more expensive than $ 1500 , it was 6500? 14 $ 6, 500 , but he did that because he believes in 07:17PM 15 fire sprinklers . He believes that it ' s good for 16 our community . 17 So just real quick, I wrote I 18 something down here . I 'm not a good speech guy, 19 so I apologize . Residential sprinklers not only 07:17PM 20 provide additional protection on top of the 21 required smoke detectors for those that live in - 22 the home, but they also protect those firefighters 23 who will be called to that home . 24 Recently we ' ve seen and heard news Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 8 1 reports about people dying in single family homes 2 where they were trapped and unable to save their 3 lives and save themselves . 4 These fatalities usually occur with 07:18PM 5 a phenomenon known as flashover . Flashover is 6 that time during a fire when anything that can 7 burn ignites . Residential sprinklers control the 8 fire during its inception stage and prevent 9 flashover . 07:18PM 10 Residential fire sprinklers can 11 provide additional protection for young children 12 less than five years of age and adults over 65 13 that are statistically at a higher risk and may be 14 unable to escape a house fire on their own or even f 07:18PM 15 with some smoke detectors . 16 If saving lives isn ' t enough, 17 residential sprinklers also reduce fire and smoke 18 damage to the structure and personal property . As - 19 a result, families are allowed to return to their 07:18PM 20 homes usually the same day with minor clean-up . 21 With our public forum, we have an 22 insurance gentleman here . Insurance companies are 23 saying that they are for fire sprinklers . 24 Obviously they would much rather replace your Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 9 1 carpets and furniture than the structure itself . 2 And, additionally, we also had a 3 side-by-side demo similar to that, one in October 4 at Hoover Forest Preserve . We had that fire out 07:19PM 5 in 27 seconds , quick mop up . They probably could 6 have been in that home in less than a day . 7 The other side of the building, we 8 simulated a fire department response . Six 9 minutes , the structure was gone . Nobody is going 07:19PM 10 to survive that fire . 11 So that ' s my presentation . I 12 appreciate your time . Thank you . 13 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Do we have any public 14 comment on the building code update? 07:19PM 15 MR . McCUE : Yes . My name is Billy McCue I , 16 with McCue Builders . Just a couple of comments on 17 the video there, which I agree , I mean, there is 18 no price you can put on a life , but, you know, 19 just a couple misleading things . It ' s amazing how 07:20PM 20 they can tweak . 21 You know, the smoke detector was not 22 in the bedroom, which is code, so why they put a 23 presentation together that doesn ' t have a smoke 24 detector in the bedroom, I think it said it took Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 10 1 30 seconds for the one in the hall to go off, you 2 know, just -- you know, you ' ve got guys that ' s 3 trying to show why they want to do something and 4 make something so misleading just to me doesn ' t 07:20PM 5 make sense . It gets me going just watching it . 6 But , you know, they talk about cost , 7 $1, 500 to $2500 , and I ' ll talk a little bit about 8 it, but it ' s much more than that . It ' s in the ten 9 of thousands . Some houses could be $20 , 000 . And 07:20PM 10 I ' m not making any of this up . 11 I ' m a builder . We built a house -- 12 There ' s other things that go along with it . The 13 insurance companies , yes , they are in -- they are 14 in favor for it as long as you have the fire alarm 07:21PM 15 system to go along with it, so if you ' re on i 16 vacation and not in that house, if a head 17 accidently goes off, they ' re going to notify the 18 fire department , so they ' re there, if it ' s not a 19 fire, they ' re going to put this out, where if you 07:21PM 20 don ' t have the fire alarm system, that water is 21 going to run for -- until someone gets there, and 22 I would think that your homeowner ' s insurance is 23 going to charge you a lot more if you don ' t pay 24 for this fire alarm system, which is another Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 11 1 $1 , 500 on top of the sprinkler system that I 2 didn ' t even have in the price . 3 But again, I ' ve been building here 4 in Yorkville for 20 years . I ' ve built -- I ' ve 07:21PM 5 built over 600 homes , 300 of them have been in the 6 Yorkville school district , and just to kind of 7 show you which -- I mean, you guys know where 8 building has went in the last few years . 9 Between 2003 to 2005 , I built 165 07:21PM 10 homes in the Yorkville school district ; from ' 09 11 until now, I built 11 . That ' s 154 homes less with 12 the economy changing . Land values have dropped 70 13 to 80 percent from 2005 . I mean, a hundred 14 thousand dollar lot is now at 20 to $30 , 000 . 07:22PM 15 Me as a builder, I mean, we are i 16 making 50 percent less , ballparking, on what we 17 used to make when we built homes in ' 05 . 18 The subcontractors , they can ' t even 19 buy material . I 'm using the same guys that I 07:22PM 20 started with 20 years ago for the most part , and I 21 have to buy the material because these guys can ' t 22 get loans because of how slow the market is , and, 23 you know, with all this happening, you know, now 24 we ' re talking about adding 10 to $15 , 000 to the Depo•Court Reporting Service . (630) 983-0030 12 1 cost of a house . 2 And, you know, I agree , a life -- 3 there ' s no price , but accidents are going to 4 happen no matter what we do, but , I mean, the 07:23PM 5 people -- Yorkville, the city, they voted for the 6 bike trail . I mean, they didn ' t want to pay ten 7 to $25 a year for the bike path and we ' re trying 8 to stick somebody for 10 , 000 to $ 15 , 000? You 9 know, it just doesn ' t make sense . 07:23PM 10 If we had this -- There ' s not many 11 builders here tonight , and if this meeting was in 12 2005 , there ' d be 30 to 50 builders here . There ' s 13 none left . Most of the guys -- there ' s very few 14 builders left , and we ' re just , you know, going to 07:23PM 15 make things worse if this happens . - 16 In my 20 years , other than building 17 a house for the fire chief just recently, I 18 haven ' t had one person who wanted to put a 19 sprinkler system in their house . Not one . 07:23PM 20 I sit down, I sign every contract . 21 I prob -- I ' ve built 600 homes , I ' ve probably met 22 with 5 , 000 people . Not one person has ever wanted 23 to put a sprinkler system in their home . 24 You know, we ' ll put -- We ' re a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 i 13 1 custom builder . I mean, they want a three-car 2 garage, two-car garage, they want a basement, they 3 want a two-story, they want a brick front , I mean , 4 we ' ll do anything they want . Not one person has 07:24PM 5 wanted a sprinkler system. 6 You know, this has kind of been 7 brewing for a couple years , and I ' ve talked to a 8 lot of people here in Yorkville , you know, over 9 the last couple years and everywhere, and even the 07:24PM 10 people we have built for, not one of them would 11 put up a sprinkler system. I mean, you can put a 12 survey in the record . Nobody wants one in their 13 home . 14 I had a brother that ' s a fireman, I 07:24PM 15 have a cousin, my best friend . You ask -- I ' ve 16 asked so many firemen what they think about it and 17 they ' re -- it ' s the same reaction from all of 18 them. They roll their eyes and they ' re like it ' s 19 overkill , smoke detectors save lives . 07:25PM 20 My brother, about seven years ago, 21 when Yorkville looked to -- when they moved to 22 make it mandatory to put them in duplexes , I was 23 looking at doing Prairie Gardens and so I put some 24 time into sprinkler systems , and it was the same Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 14 1 thing back then . I was told it was going to cost 2 a thousand dollars . It was -- started at $4 , 500 3 and got up to $5 , 000 for these townhomes , but 4 everything my brother gave me in these books is 07:25PM 5 sprinkler systems are designed to save the 6 buildings and smoke detectors are what save lives . 7 And I can get some emails I ' ve got 8 overwhelming in the last couple days from 9 different builders . I belong to the Northern Home 07:25PM 10 Builders Association, and statistics on the newer 11 homes , there ' s few -- less fires in your newer 12 homes , the problems are in the homes that are 13 30 years old, and that ' s what a lot of these 14 things talk about . 07:26PM 15 But cost, as I talked about the 16 chief ' s house, was 2100 -- 2141 was the square 17 footage , a small three bedroom ranch . $ 6, 500 is 18 what it cost . We did use a little bit more 19 expensive head that is a flush mount on the wall 07:26PM 20 so it doesn ' t stick out, which I would think you 21 have to use in new homes so kids don ' t throw balls 22 and hit them. 23 But along with that , in Yorkville, 24 the water line is a one-inch water line and that Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 15 1 doesn ' t bring enough water to the house for the 2 sprinkler system, so we ' re looking at bringing 3 another inch and a half, which is going to add big 4 cost . 07:26PM 5 If we have to connect to the water 6 mains , which are on the opposite side of the j 7 street , you could be looking at $ 60 , 000 just to 8 bore underneath the street and bring it back. 9 But with getting a fire alarm 07:26PM 10 system, which isn ' t code, but I think if you 11 get -- and Jeremy will tell you, if you get a 12 sprinkler system, you should have a fire alarm 13 system hooked up which is going to detect if the 14 heads go off . That ' s $1 , 200 . 07:27PM 15 And then you ' re looking at yearly 16 fees . Your alarm system, it ' s $35 a month . 17 Someone is going to have to come out once a year 18 for $85 and check the system. To have the 19 sprinkler system flushed is $150 , that ' s going to 07:27PM 20 have to be done every year . So there ' s a lot of 21 upkeep . 22 But , you know, my guess is -- and I 23 haven ' t gotten a price on a 3200 square foot home , 24 but you ' re going to be looking at $12 , 000 , and Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 16 1 that ' s not if you don ' t have to connect to the 2 water main, which could be anywhere from four to 3 $6, 000 . So I think they ' re a little misleading on 4 the cost . 07:27PM 5 You know, it ' s just another cost 6 that the homeowners are going to have to finance . 7 You know, if it ' s 10 , 000 to 15 , 000 , you can almost 8 double that cost for a 30-year mortgage . 9 You know, as I said, we can ' t get 07:28PM 10 homes to appraise now . With all of the costs , 11 with land dropping, with us making less , we can ' t 12 get houses to appraise right now, and they ' re -- r 13 So how are we going to add this? 14 I don ' t even know if I would be able 07:28PM 15 to get a loan -- I -- the banks will only lend us 16 so much money to build a house, and if we ' ve got 17 to put another 10 to 15 , 000 in it , it ' s more money 18 that we ' re going to have to come up with upfront . -- 19 I mean, I just think it will -- it will shut down 07:28PM 20 new construction . II 21 I use, probably more than any other i 22 builder -- well , me being here in Yorkville , I 23 live in Bristol now, but I buy my lumber, my 24 windows , my trim, my door knobs , I use local Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 17 1 banks , local title companies , my concrete guy 2 lives here in Yorkville, my framer, my surveyor, 3 my shelving guy, my drywall . I mean, just about 4 everything I get is here in Yorkville, and you ' re 07:29PM 5 just going to put the hurt to them that much more . 6 And thank you for your time . 7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone 8 else? 9 MR . DYSELL : My name is Fred Dysell, 07:29PM 10 River ' s Edge subdivision . Regarding the fire code 11 with the sprinkler systems , it ' s a waste of money . 12 I 'm a 30-year career firefighter retired from the 13 Aurora Fire Department , Battalion Chief retired . 14 The fire department should be 07:29PM 15 trained to do interior attacks on a fire . We had I'- 16 a fire in our subdivision just two weeks ago, 17 attic fire . It should have been addressed 18 properly . 19 The sprinkler system situation that 07:30PM 20 was addressed here on the videotape would have 21 never addressed that because it was in the attic, 22 there is no fire load up there , so it would have 23 been a waste of money in that situation . 24 Bottom line is teach the fire Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 18 1 department training for interior attacks . That ' s 2 what they get paid for . It ' s not essential to 3 have a sprinkler system built in a house . 4 Fire alarms , smoke alarms , are the 07:30PM 5 best thing that ever happened to the fire service , 6 and that ' s the way it should -- It should stay 7 that way, so -- Hope I can help . 8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Fred . 9 Jesse , do you have something? 07:31PM 10 MR . ALANIZ : Yes , sir . 11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : This is only on the 12 building code update . 13 MR . ALANIZ : Yes, Your Honor . 14 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay . 07:31PM 15 MR . ALANIZ : Your Honor, I ' ve held many - 16 jobs . I ' ve been working full-time since I was 17 16 years old . Before becoming a marketing 18 assistant , the last job that I did was being in 19 industrial maintenance, and I took several classes 07:31PM 20 over at Waubonsee Community College , also took a 21 class on the National Electrical Code , studied all 22 the other codes . They were part of our 23 curricular . 24 Your Honor, every time government Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 19 1 steps in for the greater good, for the common 2 good, for the safety of the people , there ' s 3 always -- There ' s no price that you can put on 4 this , on the sprinkler system. That ' s fine , let 07:32PM 5 the manufacturer pay for it if it ' s if there 6 is -- if they value life so much . 7 I say this for a reason . When I 8 took my class on the National Electrical Code , 9 there were people there who had submitted 07:32PM 10 suggestions for this electrical code . 11 One of them, this person wasn ' t 12 there, but they told us the story of a new wall 13 outlet . You put it near your curtains where the 14 windows are, so if it rains , the water comes in -- 07:32PM 15 same thing, they show the very same thing . The 16 water comes in, it shorts out, flash, your 17 curtains are on fire . 18 We ' ve got to have that outlet in 19 there, we ' ve got to make it code, for the greater 07:33PM 20 good of the people . The person that put that part 21 of that code in there was the manufacturer of the 22 outlet itself . Now I have to question, is it a 23 question of safety or is it a question of profit? 24 The other thing, as the builder Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 20 1 says -- and while I have all respect for the fire 2 department for wanting to do things safely, we ' re 3 invading on his privacy . We ' re invading on his 4 liberty to build . 07:33PM 5 I think Ronald Reagan said it best 6 when he quoted Lao Tzu, Every year we create more 7 criminals and tax cheats by the government ' s 8 creation of new codes and laws and regulations . 9 Your Honor, I -- If it ' s a question 07:34PM 10 of public safety and everything and if this is 11 something that ' s really good for our community and 12 everything, let it be voluntarily . You know, 13 educate the public, make -- make an offer out 14 there to them, educate them on what it ' s all 07:34PM 15 about, make offers to them what the costs are, but 16 I don ' t think this is government ' s place to be 17 stepping in . 18 Your Honor, I yield the floor . 19 Thank you, sir . 07:34PM 20 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Jesse . 21 Anyone else? 22 MR . SKINNER : Hi . My name is Mike 23 Skinner . I was on the committee for the Building 24 Code Committee . I was part of the group that Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 21 1 voted against having sprinklers put in . I ' m also 2 a builder here in Yorkville . I ' m also on the 3 Zoning Board of Appeals here in Yorkville . I , 4 too, have been here for almost 30 years , so I have 07:35PM 5 a vested interest . 6 I am in a unique spot where because 7 I live in a sprinkled home that I built . I live 8 in a duplex . I was required to put sprinklers in . 9 Unlike the video there, it wasn ' t 07:35PM 10 1500 to $2 , 000 . Mine was 9, 000 per side, 18 , 000 11 per building, for 1650 square feet . It was a 12 little more because I did put better heads in . 13 My basement was sprinkled so that 14 when I finished it , the bedrooms were sprinkled as 07:35PM 15 per code as they should be . It was designed that i 16 way . 17 If I were to build that same home 18 right now, I couldn ' t . I couldn ' t build that same 19 design, the same vaulted ceilings . I couldn ' t do 07:35PM 20 it because the codes have changed . 21 First of all , as Billy said, I don ' t 22 have the water service coming into my house . I 23 would have to bore under Walsh Drive . A sewer 24 tap -- or a water tap for both units add about -- Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 22 1 on a duplex now, you ' re looking at about $ 6, 000 F:, 2 for the length . The building is a little bit shy . 3 About 6 , 000 . 4 Then, because I have vaulted 07:36PM 5 ceilings , the new codes would not allow me to put 6 sprinklers in -- or put vaulted ceilings in . You 7 can ' t put them up there unless they go to what ' s 8 called a dry system. 9 You need to be educated a little bit 07:36PM 10 on different types of sprinkler systems . You have 11 a wet system, which is the system is always wet . 12 There ' s always water in it . Fire goes off , the 13 sprinkler head goes off . You knock the head off, 14 your kids are playing baseball in the basement , 07:36PM 15 water goes off . 16 You have another one that has glycol 17 in it , which is -- allows you to put the sprinkler 18 head up here in the ceiling and it won ' t freeze . 19 More money to put it in, requires more 07:37PM 20 maintenance, must be flushed yearly . 21 The other way is called a dry 22 system. There is air in the lines , sprinkler head 23 goes off for whatever reason, fire, kid knocks it 24 off, there ' s no water in the line . You have an Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 23 1 air compressor in your basement that pumps the 2 water up there . Very expensive system. 3 But right now, if you want to put 4 this kind of ceiling, you can ' t , unless you go 07:37PM 5 with a very expensive sprinkler system, either a i .. 6 dry system or a glycol system. It has to be i. 7 maintained every year . I ' ll get to that in a 8 minute, how we ' re going to maintain it . 9 The other thing is , as far as the 07:37PM 10 insurance companies go, I got $175 a year break on 11 my homeowner ' s policy . That ' s -- Per half . I own 12 both sides . But if I wanted the water protection 13 service, it was another 165 -- excuse me , $165 a 14 year, so I saved $10 a year for a $ 9 , 000 07:38PM 15 investment . Not a very good return . L.. 16 Let ' s talk about building a little 17 bit . Homes are built -- I haven ' t built as many 18 as Billy has , not 600 , I wish, but Billy builds 19 good homes . We all build good homes because we ' re 07:38PM 20 forced to by the building codes we currently have . 21 We have draft stop, we have smoke is 22 detectors in every room, in every hallway, to let 23 people know there is a fire . As far as draft stop f 24 goes , for those that don ' t know, between every Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 24 1 level in a home , between the basement/first floor, 2 first floor/second floor, if you have a second 3 floor, or first floor and up here, every 4 penetration in that wall , in that floor, has to be 07:38PM 5 fire caulked so no air can get down there, up the I 6 wall , into the ceiling . No air, a fire can ' t 7 spread . 8 If you have a soffit going along up 9 here -- you know what soffits are -- it has to be 07:39PM 10 blocked off from the wall . 11 Codes are written now for safety 12 without sprinklers . Our homes are very safe . If 13 new homes burn, it ' s because of careless people . 14 I mean, we ' ll never be able to outlaw cigarette 07:39PM 15 smoking, lighters , and build concrete houses with 16 concrete furniture . We have to educate the 17 people . 18 But by telling the next person that 19 wants to move into Yorkville that he has to spend 07:39PM 20 a minimum of $12 , 000 just to put a sprinkler in, I 21 would ask each and every one of you in this room - 22 to put a sprinkler system in your own home . Spend 23 the money . Put it in . Okay? Show that you 24 really are behind it . I don ' t think you will . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 25 1 So we build good homes now, they ' re 2 safe , and I think we need to take a step back . 3 There may come a time when sprinklers will be 4 required throughout all of the United States just 07:39PM 5 like seatbelts are . Right now let ' s make it the 6 choice of the person that wants it . 7 If I built a duplex, would I put one 8 in? No . I couldn ' t afford it now, not in this 9 economy . When I sell my duplex, will I get that 07:40PM 10 $ 9 , 000 back? No way . Absolutely not . 11 So do we want to cripple the people 12 that want to move into Yorkville, burden them with 13 something that may save lives? It will save 14 lives , back that up . It will save lives . But 07:40PM 15 it ' s their choice, they can do it if they want to 16 put it in . 17 But in the meantime, let ' s let them 18 make the choice , not this group of people here 19 saying you have to do it . Pass on sprinklers . 07:40PM 20 I want to talk a little bit about 21 the electrical outlets . Can we do that now? One 22 of the other things the Staff wants us to have is 23 arc fault breakers . 24 Arc fault breakers are if you pull Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 26 1 your plug out of the wall right there without 2 turning off your vacuum, your lamp, your electric 3 drill, it pops your breaker down in the basement . 4 Now, I know we ' ve been told that 07:41PM 5 they may have fixed them, but my last conversation 6 with Paul Zabel , who was our head of building and 7 zoning, said no, they ' re not , they still have the 8 problem. 9 You unplug -- You are vacuuming in 07:41PM 10 your house and your plug unplugs from the wall , it 11 creates an arc and it trips the breaker down in 12 your basement . If you are in your garage , using 13 your Shop Vac . If you ' re using your drill, the 14 armature of the drill will trip the arc fault 07:41PM 15 breakers . And that ' s one of the codes we had I 16 talked about wanting to adopt . Staff wants it , 17 our committee said no, we don ' t think it ' s a good 18 idea . 19 First of all , they don ' t work right 07:41PM 20 yet, so why would we adopt it? Secondly, give it 21 some time . I ' m a firm believer of withstanding 22 the test of time . Let them work the bugs out . In 23 three years , we can re -- we can look at it again . 24 Let ' s not jump on the bandwagon and Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 27 1 say oh, because some code committee propaganda 2 like this for our sprinklers says you ' ve got to do 3 it , Square D, who has lobbyists , says we should 4 spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars more on a 07:42PM 5 house besides the sprinklers to do this , I don ' t 6 think it ' s a good idea . 7 If somebody wants them, go ahead . 8 Right now they ' re currently required in bedrooms , 9 but they want them every outlet in the house, 07:42PM 10 throughout the whole house, and it ' s -- it ' s 11 overkill , so . . . 12 Well , I said my two cents ' worth . 13 Thank you . 14 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Mr . Skinner . 07:42PM 15 Anybody else? 16 MR . DAAB : Good evening Mr . Mayor, 17 members of the Council, the Staff . My name is 18 Jake Daab . I am manager of land acquisition and 19 development for the PulteGroup . We are currently 07:43PM 20 building in two subdivisions in Yorkville, Autumn 21 Creek and Bristol Bay . 22 The previous others who spoke spoke 23 far more eloquently to the whole process , so I ' ll 24 get down to the brass tacks . Our purchasing Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 28 1 department told me that adding sprinkler systems 2 to our existing product in Autumn Creek would add 3 at minimum $8 , 000 per house . 4 We stand to lose buyers on hundred 07:43PM 5 dollar increments . Right now we ' re less than two 6 sales a month in Autumn Creek, less than one a 7 month in Bristol Bay . Adding 7 , 000 plus , 8 , 000 , a 8 house could devastate our sales . You may not see 9 another sale in either one of those communities . 07:43PM 10 That ' s how fine the line we are in terms of our 11 profit margins and sales . In some instances we ' re 12 losing money . 13 So while I appreciate the spirit in 14 which the ordinance is intended, the bottom line 07:44PM 15 is our buyers in these communities cannot afford 16 an additional $ 8 , 000 a house, and we will lose 17 sales and the City of Yorkville will lose permit 18 dollars . It ' s that simple . Thank you . 19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . 07:44PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Can I say 21 one more thing? 22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : After the young lady . 23 MS . DUBAJIC : I ' m Lynn Dubajic with 24 Yorkville Economic Development Corporation . As Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 29 1 many of you know, I recently attended the 2 International Shopping Center Show in Las Vegas . 3 I had many meetings with retailers while I was 4 there, and the message that I received from them 07:44PM 5 was that retailers have certainly slowed down, and 6 we know how important commercial is to our 7 community, and the retailers are interested in 8 working with communities that have set the stage 9 for encouraging residential development . 07:44PM 10 They certainly understand that 11 residential development has slowed down; they also 12 know that new home sales are competing with 13 foreclosures and short sales that are out there in 14 the community, so they would like to see -- And 07:45PM 15 you are one of the finalists for a store , and we i I 16 are actually being looked at by a couple of 17 retailers . 18 They want to see our community as 19 being one that is encouraging residential 07:45PM 20 development , new rooftops , because we know that 21 that drives commercial , and adopting this portion 22 of the code would certainly be counter-productive 23 to sending that message to the retailers out there 24 that are looking at us . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 30 1 I also wanted to let you know that I 2 received a phone call today from Tim Dwyer, who 3 built seven homes in Yorkville last year and is on 4 task to build six homes on Yorkville this year . 07:45PM 5 He ' s in Colorado right now on a trip 6 with his family, but he wanted to let you know 7 that he felt that with certainty none of these 13 8 homes , the seven from last year or the six from 9 this year, would have been built if this policy 07:46PM 10 was in place . And he is a custom home builder as 11 well . 12 Also, I was a member of the building 13 code committee, and I also spoke with Adam Dontz 14 from Gladstone Builders , who is also a member, and 07:46PM 15 he also is unavailable -- not available to be here I 16 tonight , but he also wanted to let all of you 17 know, as I do, that we feel very strongly that we 18 worked hard, our committee worked hard, and we 19 hope that you take all of our recommendations to 07:46PM 20 heart and you move forward with this with not 21 adopting this portion of the code . 22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . 23 MR . WEHRLI : Hi . My name is Ron Wehrli . 24 I own Crestview Builders . I am a developer in Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 I 31 1 Kendall County . I ' ve done five subdivisions in 2 the area . I ' m also a builder, I ' ve built over 3 1700 homes in the last 30 years . 4 Like Bill said, you cannot put a 07:47PM 5 price on life , but smoke alarms do' -- do work . 6 We ' ve -- in 1700 homes , we ' ve not had one injury, 7 one death, related to fire . 8 In building out here, we took over a 9 subdivision here recently . I was a little 07:47PM 10 reluctant to do that , but there are a lot of good 11 people out here , I ' m from the area, so we went 12 ahead and did it . 13 Unfortunately in Yorkville the 14 permits alone are so high -- and I know you don ' t 07:47PM 15 want to hear this -- but Naperville ' s for the same 16 house is $8 , 000 , where I ' m paying $20 , 000 , so I ' m 17 12 , 000 down there to begin with . 18 I ' m not selling anything out here, 19 but I am in Naperville . They have a subdivision 07:47PM 20 and a new model here . And the permits have to be 21 looked at . Another issue another day, whatever, 22 but now you ' re adding another minimum 12 , 000 . 23 These figures the builders are giving are correct . 24 So now you ' re $25 , 000 to build in Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 32 1 Yorkville . We haven ' t got one permit out of 2 Blackberry subdivision, we ' re too high, we ' re too I 3 high on permits , and if you throw this on top of 4 it , that will close down also . 07:48PM 5 I am building . I still have lots , 6 there ' s homes going up . We ' re building in 7 Naperville, Plainfield, Kendall County . Haven ' t 8 sold one in Yorkville . You ' re too high on your 9 permits . You don ' t want to hear it, but that ' s 07:48PM 10 what ' s going to get rooftops in here . And then if 11 you throw this on top of it . . . 12 We were also grandfathered in 13 Blackberry where I saw this coming and we -- we 14 had it in writing that , you know, we would not be 07:48PM 15 getting smoke alarms in there . f 16 So talking about a lawsuit waiting 17 to happen . Not threatening, but you guys did give 18 us that deal . How can you do that for us and not 19 everybody else? It ' s going to be a mess . 07:48PM 20 But the bottom line is you want 21 people to come in here from other communities . i 22 Everybody -- Other towns , they ' re working at it, 23 they ' re low on their permits . I have yet to see 24 Yorkville do anything about this , and it ' s a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 33 1 shame . That ' s all I have to say . Thank you . 2 (Enter Alderman Munns . ) 3 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . 4 MR . KLERONOMOS : My name is Angelo 07:49PM 5 Kleronomos . I am president of Property Concepts . 6 We have offices in Oswego . Over the last 7 37 years , we built in excess of 4 , 000 dwelling 8 units . 9 Unlike Bill, I did have a few 07:49PM 10 requests about the sprinkler systems , and when we 11 priced them out as an option, no one -- no one 12 took the option . 13 The film we saw is very compelling . 14 You have 5 , 000 homes in Yorkville right now, some 07:49PM 15 of those homes were built 50 , 70 years ago . 16 Certainly now with the materials available today, 17 with the direct wire smoke detector systems that 18 are available today, those homes may be more in 19 need of a sprinkler system than new homes we ' re 07:49PM 20 building today . 21 Will you require that to all the 22 existing homeowners in your community, in those 23 5 , 000 homes? I don ' t think so . I -- you know, as 24 I said, the film was very compelling, but in this Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 34 1 market , in this time, I think it would be a hard 2 sell . I think you would see permits just drop off 3 to nothing in Yorkville . 4 You have communities around you that 07:50PM 5 are not adopting this type of an ordinance, and 6 that ' s not to say that life safety isn ' t an 7 important issue, but they also recognize the fact 8 that they have to keep their communities moving i 9 forward . 07:50PM 10 I think the codes that you have in 11 place need to be enforced, not just in new home 12 construction, but in existing homes , and that ' s a 13 whole -- whole other area . 14 To close, in the 4 , 000 dwelling 07:50PM 15 units that we built over 37 years , we never had a 16 fire that took a life . Most of those homes 17 complied with local building codes and fire codes 18 and had smoke detectors and alarm systems in them . 19 I think, you know, you ' ve got -- 07:50PM 20 you ' ve got a good plan, but I think this is 21 just -- it ' s reaching . It ' s going -- it ' s going 22 to price homes out of the market . Thank you . 23 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . 24 MR . NEYER : Good evening . My name is Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 35 1 Gary Neyer . I work for Marker, Inc . We ' ve 2 developed two subdivisions in Yorkville of 3 approximately a total of 500 lots . We sell to 4 local builders . 07:51PM 5 I think it ' s important as a 6 governing body that you look at the big picture 7 here . Mr . Wehrli spoke well about all the costs 8 involved in not only building a home, but 9 developing a project as well . 07:51PM 10 Please don ' t focus on just the issue 11 of fire sprinklers . When you ' re updating your 12 codes , you ' ve got the cost of the electrical 13 upgrades that are required, you ' re going to now 14 enforce the 2009 Energy Code . Keep in mind the 07:52PM 15 additional costs that that ' s going to bring to f : 16 building a single family home, and to all those 17 costs, please keep in mind the fee increases that 18 have taken place say in the last five to 19 six years . 07:52PM 20 All told, the price of a new home in 21 Yorkville needs to be competitive with the 22 surrounding communities . I ' m not here to tell you 23 that sprinkler systems are a bad thing, but if 24 they ' re a good thing, why do we have to be on the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 36 1 cutting edge of requiring those systems when the 2 communities around us are not? 3 You will have -- If you adopt these -- 4 codes verbatim, you will have the best, most 07:52PM 5 recent codes and absolutely no homes to be built 6 underneath them because no one can afford them to 7 be built . Thank you . 8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone 9 else? 07:53PM 10 MR . LINK : My name is Jeff Link and I ' ve 11 lived in Yorkville for 18 years . I ' m just talking 12 from a banking perspective . Somebody had 13 mentioned about the appraisal issues . 14 I ' m in the mortgage business and 07:53PM 15 I ' ve been doing it for 22 years . We have I ' r 16 appraisal issues as it is getting values in, as 17 you ' re probably aware . Values have been dropping . 18 Somebody who would be paying for - 19 sprinkler systems would have to be pretty much 07:53PM 20 paid completely out of their pocket because they 21 wouldn ' t qualify in their mortgage if they came 22 for a mortgage . 23 We ' re having a lot of people right 24 now that are having a hard time, granted, new Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 37 1 construction and existing just getting values to 2 be where they are . If they ' re spending $15 , 000 or 3 even ten, they ' re not going to exceed the value of 4 the appraisal, so from an underwriting standpoint , 07:53PM 5 it ' s just not going to happen, and we ' re having a 6 hard enough time getting new starts in Yorkville 7 as it is and people are going right now -- from 8 what I ' m seeing anyway, are going FHA with two and 9 a half percent down, three and a half percent 07:54PM 10 down, so I don ' t know who is going to be able to 11 afford these sprinklers systems . It ' s not an 12 option . That ' s all I have to say on that from a 13 banking perspective . 14 Appraisals are huge issues right f 07:54PM 15 now . We ' re having a hard time getting values to I L 16 come in just to keep people in their homes , and 17 it ' s hard enough as you know, with all the 18 foreclosures that going on . So thank you . 19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone else 07:54PM 20 who hasn ' t spoken yet? Jeremy, do you want to add 21 something else? 22 MR . CANAVAN : Yeah . I just wanted to 23 address some of the things that was brought up . 24 Nowhere in the code requires you to upgrade your Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 38 1 water service, so the existing water service is 2 fine . It ' s a design issue . 3 The chief ' s house we had to upgrade 4 because of the types of sprinkler heads he used . 07:54PM 5 They were on the market for less than a month . So 6 now they ' ve been on the market for a little while 7 longer, they ' ve been able to design it 8 differently, so upgrading the water service is not 9 an issue . 07:55PM 10 As far as dry systems in a house, 11 it ' s not in the code and it doesn ' t make any 12 sense, so that should be a non-issue . 13 Glycol is no longer allowed in 14 residential fire sprinklers , so that shouldn ' t be 07:55PM 15 an issue either . 16 As far as maintenance , the code 17 itself does not require annual testing of your 18 fire -- residential fire sprinklers . The plumbing 19 code asks that you test your backflow preventer, 07:55PM 20 and what Bristol Bay is doing is they ' re putting 21 that in their HOA so the whole community is paying 22 for that, for the backflow preventer price . 23 You know, P2904 , which is the 24 residential fire code in the IRC, is a minimum Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 39 1 code, so any time you lessen that code, like I 2 said earlier, you ' re setting yourself up for a 3 lawsuit . Any time you have a loss -- and maybe 4 the City attorney can help -- you know, if you 07:56PM 5 have a loss -- No? 6 MS . ORR : No . 7 MR . CANAVAN : Okay . So you can make a 8 code less stringent -- 9 MS . ORR: Yes . 07:56PM 10 MR. CANAVAN : -- and there is no 11 legal -- 12 MS . ORR: No . 13 MR . CANAVAN : Okay . Okay . Well , I 14 think I would disagree with that, but you ' re the 07:56PM 15 attorney and I ' m not , so . . . 16 You know, the thing is , you know, if 17 you build a house less than the national minimum 18 and we have a fire death and we have a significant 19 loss , who are they going to look for? I mean, 07:56PM 20 they ' re going to look for the city council that 21 made that code less stringent . 22 So look for your experiences . I 23 know some of you have seen demonstrations , I know 24 some of you have homes that have fire sprinklers . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 40 1 We ' ve even had an alderman that started a fire for 2 us for a demonstration, so, you know, I would just 3 beg that you don ' t make the code less stringent . 4 And I think all these builders here, 07:57PM 5 I mean, they have so much experience, so much 6 dedication to the community, and so do I , and 7 it ' s -- this fight -- or I shouldn ' t say fight . 8 This debate hasn ' t started here and it won ' t end 9 here . 07:57PM 10 It ' s already in the 2012 codes , and 11 those codes are developed by building officials 12 and firefighters and contractors and all people 13 from all walks of life that are developing these 14 codes , so I just hope you look at that , and, you 07:57PM 15 know, if there is anything that you need from me i 16 that can educate you more or educate anybody in 17 this room, I have an open door, so, please, I ' m 18 here to serve . So that ' s it . Thank you . 19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . All right . 07:57PM 20 The City Council is going to have a chance to 21 discuss this when it comes back to us , but -- All 22 right , someone else? 23 MR . MICHAELS : Excuse me . I ' m Sean 24 Michaels , I am employed at McCue Builders . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 41 1 Not to argue with Jeremy, but the 2 way you look at the line service going into a home 3 is based on the number of fixtures , and with the 4 size homes that we ' re building in Yorkville, we ' re 07:58PM 5 very close in needing to increase the water line 6 size, but then you start adding a sprinkler 7 system, that could justify a larger sprinkler -- 8 or a larger water line . 9 One thing I ' d like to point out 07:58PM 10 is -- Billy didn ' t mention it , but he did lose a 11 family member to a fire, and so if anybody has 12 personal experience, he does , and for him to be 13 arguing against a sprinkler system I think tells 14 you that, you know, he ' s seen both side's of it and 07:58PM 15 can tell you personally how it ' s affected his 16 family . 17 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Sean . Okay, 18 anyone else from the audience on the building code 19 update? 07:58PM 20 MR . McCUE : Since Jeremy went up, there 21 twice, I ' m coming up twice . 22 One thing that I did forget to 23 mention is , you know, we can go on all day, but 24 you talk about the people that make up the codes Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 42 1 that we follow, you know, if they ' re looking at i 2 the codes they want to come up with, if there is 3 no cost involved in their decision, then, you 4 know, we ' re going to be here in five years and 07:59PM 5 fighting people because they ' re going to want 6 elevators in homes . I mean, where is it going to 7 end? 8 I mean, someone told me that you ' ve 9 got four -- four to five times better of dying 07:59PM 10 from falling in an accident than dying in a fire, 11 and this is what I was told at the Northern 12 Illinois Home Builders ' meeting . 13 You know, tell us we can ' t build 14 two-story homes , you know, we can ' t put basements 07:59PM 15 in, no stairs . I mean, where is it going to end? r 16 You ' ve heard from other builders 17 that , you know, there hasn ' t been a death in a new 18 home , and, you know, I didn ' t want to bring it up, 19 but yes , my sister lost an 18-month old baby in a 08 OOPM 20 fire with a three-year old. 21 It was about an 800-square foot 22 home , two bedrooms upstairs , two -- two rooms on 23 the first floor, but the smoke detector wasn ' t 24 even -- there was no smoke detector . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 43 1 You know, she was sitting on the 2 front porch, so, you know, a smoke detector, a 3 working smoke detector would have saved their 4 life, and that ' s what you hear all the time, is 08:OOPM 5 what smoke detectors do, and, if anything, I ' m all 6 for adding work, but thank you, and I guess I can II 7 sign my name now . 8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Again, I 9 was going to say, we can talk now, we ' re going to 08:OOPM 10 discuss this again when it comes back to us , but 11 right now is a good opportunity because we have 12 all these experts here , so open it up to Council 13 if we have questions and comments , but , like I 14 said, we ' ll be coming back to it . 08:OOPM 15 ALDERMAN SPEARS : I just want to say 16 that I also served on that committee, and the 17 majority of people that were on that committee 18 were builders or had something -- they were 19 directly involved with the home builders ' 08:01PM 20 industry, and I just wanted to address some of the 21 information that we received . -- 22 If the chief ' s house cost $ 6, 500 to 23 put in a state-of-the-art sprinkler system, I 24 mean, he even had the heads that were -- matched Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 44 1 furniture and it was just beautiful . He went 2 above and beyond what most people would do . 3 But , yet Mr . McCue is quoting us a 4 price of 10 , 000 to 15 , 000 , and to me that ' s quite 08:oiPM 5 a difference . We have the actual price that -- 6 Mr . McCue built the house and that was the actual 7 figure , and we had the police chief confirm that , 8 number one . 9 The other thing is at the beginning 08:01PM 10 of this committee when we all met , we did have one 11 representative from the Northern Homes Building 12 Association, and he was talking about a home that 13 he built, I believe it was in Downers Grove , and 14 he ended up quoting a very, very extremely high 08:02PM 15 figure for a sprinkler system, and he brought in a 16 quote from a manufacturer of the sprinkler system, 17 and we questioned where the other request for bids 18 were and he said, oh, no, he only got one , which I 19 kind of doubt if anybody only gets one quote if 08:02PM 20 they ' re really trying to cut costs . 21 And then the chief also questioned -- 22 him and reviewed the quote that he brought in, and 23 I believe he had copper piping and things that 24 weren ' t necessary, very, very expensive items on Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 45 1 this quote, so we kind of, you know, threw that 2 one out the window . 3 And I just want to address some of 4 the information that we received . Oh, Mr . McCue 08:03PM 5 also said that he didn ' t have one person that -- 6 and he is a custom builder, a very good builder, 7 but he never had one person that requested the 8 sprinkler system, never asked for that , and after 9 him speaking, I think if somebody did say, you 08:03PM 10 know, what do you think about the sprinkler 11 system, and I think his response definitely would 12 be all negative , and, therefore , they wouldn ' t 13 want a sprinkler system, and I can understand 14 that . 08:03PM 15 MR . McCUE : Do you want me to give you 16 what I think? 17 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Not yet . 18 MR . McCUE : Okay . 19 ALDERMAN SPEARS : You ' ll get your turn 08:03PM 20 again I ' m sure . Fire alarm system, you also 21 quoted that you would have to have a fire alarm 22 system with a sprinkler system for -- Those were 23 your words . We have that on tape . 24 MR . McCUE : I didn ' t say you have to, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 46 1 you should . 2 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Well , you said -- 3 MR . McCUE : Jeremy told me that . 4 ALDERMAN SPEARS : -- the insurance 08:04PM 5 company would not honor one without the other, and 6 I worked for an insurance company and I never 7 heard that . Never . 8 MR . McCUE : We heard that in a meeting 9 time after time from Jeremy . 08:04PM 10 ALDERMAN MUNNS : This is a public 11 comment , not a debate, right ? 12 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Right . Right . So hold 13 the comments , please . 14 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Okay . Let ' s see . Oh, 08:04PM 15 and the big issue was the arc fault breakers . We I ' 16 also had two experts in this meeting, I mean, we 17 just -- it was educational, and they were two 18 experts , I believe -- and, Krysti, you can help me 19 with this -- one was teaching at -- 08:04PM 20 MS . NOBLE : Yes . One was a licensed 21 electrical worker and did teach for a local 22 community, as well as installed, and the one was a 23 building commissioner . 24 ALDERMAN SPEARS : And after all the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 47 1 debate with the builders and these two gentlemen, 2 it was just educational for all of us , I just 3 asked them upfront , if you were building a home 4 today, would you have these arc fault breakers in 08:05PM 5 your own personal home, and both of them replied 6 immediately yes , we would, that is the way to go . 7 So, again, my opinion with serving 8 on this committee is a lot of the objections were 9 based on costs , and I can understand that, but 08:05PM 10 serving on this Council as many years as I have, 11 most of the years I was on the Public Safety 12 Committee and I -- again, you cannot put a price 13 on a life , and if you just save one life with a 14 sprinkler system, to me it ' s well worth it . 08:05PM 15 Autumn Creek, the gentleman from 16 Autumn Creek I believe said that we ' re going to 17 lose sales because you can ' t afford it and that ' s 18 what your people had told you, and I can 19 understand that , but also -- and I ' m going to look 08:06PM 20 it up again, I didn ' t bring the documents with 21 me -- but Autumn Creek I believe advertises in 22 another state that they have the sprinkler systems 23 and things like that in their homes . Don ' t quote 24 me on that until I bring the document in . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 48 1 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well , I ' m 2 sure we do . 3 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Okay . But, I mean, 4 that was your big selling point , and a lot of 08:06PM 5 people were I ' m sure building with that in mind 6 because Pulte -- 7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER : Because 8 they ' re required by code there , new sales -- 9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Can I say 08:06PM 10 something? 11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : No, hold on . Hold on, 12 guys . All right . Keep your comments from the 13 floor . If you want to be recognized, you can 14 after Rose is done , please . 08:06PM 15 ALDERMAN SPEARS : And I just have a few 16 more . We have been getting some builders in here 17 and developers that were complaining about our 18 permit fees being too high and we should do 19 something with that at this time, and I think that 08:07PM 20 we made some deals with some people . 21 I believe in Blackberry we had 22 special things going on there, we granted them 23 certain things and they were supposed to be 24 building and it ' s not happening, and we had a Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 49 1 gentleman here from Marker that said keep in mind 2 that the city is adding the 2009 energy code . 3 Well , it ' s not our decision . That ' s 4 state mandated . You all have to abide by that , no 08:07PM 5 matter where you are in the state , whether it ' s 6 Yorkville or not , so I don ' t think we can use that 7 as a debate . 8 And again, we had Property Concepts 9 indicate that, well , he believes that code should 08:07PM 10 be enforced also in all existing homes , and I 11 would totally agree with that, and I think every 12 builder that has built that home should go back 13 and reconstruct it all . 14 It should be up to the builders 08:08PM 15 then, if you ' re going to throw it into the City, 16 and let you handle the expense, because I think 17 that ' s a great idea and I ' d love to see that in 18 all your homes , and mine as well, and I think that 19 may be it . That ' s all I have . 08:08PM 20 MAYOR GOLINSKI : George? 21 ALDERMAN GILSON : I want to speak 22 towards the flip side of Rose ' s opinion . I agree 23 with the majority of the comments out in the -- in 24 this meeting . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 50 1 I was also at the demonstration 2 where they showed -- you know, where they lit the 3 fire and they show what sprinklers can do, and I 4 guess I ' d like to go through some of this and talk 08:08PM 5 about some of the things that they hit on and 6 maybe expound on them a little more . 7 First of all , upsizing a line from 8 one inch to an inch and a quarter or inch and a 9 half is overkill for a home . A standard home 08:09PM 10 nowadays uses ten gallons per minute , okay? Ten 11 gallons per minute is plenty of water for a home . 12 So to mandate that we in these codes 13 talk about inch and a quarter or inch and a half 14 being new standard for water service line, there 08:09PM 15 is a cost to that, and that cost not only falls i 16 upon them, but it falls upon us . 17 We ' ve got -- And I know because I ' m 18 in the industry . Our company makes products for 19 that . There ' s a huge cost to go from one inch to 08:09PM 20 inch and a quarter to inch and a half . So not 21 only are we putting the cost on the home builders , 22 we ' re putting the cost on the residents . Then 23 we ' re going to put a cost on our own city council 24 to purchase materials and things to adapt to those Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 51 1 new sizes . That ' s the number one thing that we 2 need to keep in check . 3 The other thing that we need to talk 4 about in here is some of this -- the things about 08:09PM 5 maintenance, backflow protection . I know backflow 6 protectors , I know RPZs , I know double checks , I 7 know dual checks . 8 The minimum that needs to be put in 9 for these things is a double check or an RPZ . 08:10PM 10 Those are very expensive , number one, so that 11 expense once again is going to fall upon the 12 homeowner . Okay? 13 The other thing that is going to be 14 an ongoing expense annually, which I mentioned in 08:1OPM 15 the meeting, is that backflow protection has to 16 be -- it has to be inspected and it has to be 17 maintained and eventually it will have to be 18 replaced. 19 That is going to cost somewhere , 08:10PM 20 roundabouts , a hundred dollars a year directly out 21 of the homeowner ' s pocket to have that mandate put 22 on them, and I just don ' t think it ' s a good time 23 to do that . I just think that ' s -- I don ' t think 24 it ' s a wise decision to move forward with that . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 52 1 Just bear with me a minute . We 2 talked about the cost of what it ' s going to add to 3 a home and, I mean, let ' s take conservatively 4 $5, 000 to the price of a new home . I know my 08:11PM 5 home, I ' ve lost equity like crazy . My home is 6 probably worth what I bought it for now . 7 To put $5 , 000 more onto the cost of 8 a new home when people are trying to figure out 9 how they ' re going to -- how they ' re going to 08:11PM 10 preserve or get back to their nest egg which they 11 thought they purchased, I just don ' t think that is 12 something we should move forward, and like I said, 13 I 'm being conservative at $5 , 000 . I ' m hearing 10 , 14 12 , whatever it maybe . 08:11PM 15 I just don ' t think we should add 16 that cost and put that burden on the home builders 17 and the homeowners and people that already have 18 homes that have lost value . It ' s just something I 19 just don ' t see a sense in doing right now . 08:12PM 20 Just bear with me . I mean, at the 21 time to discuss this all amongst Council, I ' ll go 22 through this code by code, but I just think what 23 they ' re saying is very accurate . 24 I do see the value in what we saw Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 53 1 out there, but I just think -- I agree with the 2 fact that the smoke detectors are what ' s going to 3 save the lives , and I think that going forward 4 this is just a bad idea, so to keep it brief and 08:12PM 5 not discuss all these individually, it will come 6 time, but if you look around, Rose, and if you 7 look at some of the ones in the building code 8 inquiry where they list the cities , one , two, 9 three, four, five, six, seven, eight , nine, ten, 08:12PM 10 11 , 12 out of one, two, three, four, five, six, 11 seven, eight, nine, ten -- wait . One, two, three , 12 four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11 , 12 . 13 12 of them out of all the ones listed, which were 14 the majority, have not adopted this , and there is 08:13PM 15 a reason for that . 16 The reason for that is it ' s not 17 going to help to promote growth here, it ' s not 18 going to help with home values , it ' s not going to 19 help with cost to the homeowners , it ' s not going 08:13PM 20 to help with cost to the home builders . 21 I just think it ' s -- There is a 22 reason why there is a heavy debate to this , and I 23 -- and I know not just from a debate amongst 24 residents , but a debate amongst cities . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 54 1 I mean, I call on cities , I talk to 2 public works departments . I know there is a big 3 debate on what that costs and what those mandates 4 are going to do to them, so it ' s something to 08:13PM 5 consider when we discuss this further . I 6 appreciate the time . 7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Any other comments 8 during the public hearing from the Council? 9 MS . NOBLE : Staff has -- would like to 08:13PM 10 make a comment, a point of clarification on this . 11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Do you want to do it 12 now or do you want to let this gentleman speak 13 first? 14 MS . NOBLE : That ' s fine . 15 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay, go ahead, and 16 then, Krysti , we ' re going to move on . 17 MR. WEHRLI : I would just like to 18 address what Rose said . She compared the chief ' s 19 house at 6500 . I thought I heard that that was a 08:14PM 20 2100 square foot ranch . If you do a two-story, 21 3500 square foot two-story, common sense is it ' s 22 going to be close to double that . 23 But the actual prices are 12 to 24 15 , 000 on a good sized home, and this may not be Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 55 1 the time to bring this back up again, but you were 2 saying there was relief from permits . There are 3 none . 4 We came in here and there were 08:19PM 5 $20 , 000 . In Council right here you voted to take 6 off the road impact fee of 2 , 000 . That brought it 7 down to 18 , 000 , which was not near enough what 8 other communities are doing . 9 Then, then when it came time to sign 08:14PM 10 the papers , they put it back in that I have to put 11 that road back in anyway, so I got no relief on 12 that . That ' s for another subject . 13 But we have gotten no relief, and 14 I 'm doing about ten houses right now, not one in 08:15PM 15 Yorkville . Kendall County, I am building in the 16 county, I ' m building in Naperville . 17 For $25 , 000 , people are not going to 18 come to Yorkville when they have other choices . 19 It ' s a great community and that ' s why we bought in o8:15PM 20 here , but you ' re killing yourselves . 21 And if you think these permits 22 aren ' t hurting, and now you throw this on top, the 23 rooftops aren ' t coming, and I would be glad to 24 sell our subdivision we took over to you . You Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 56 1 people -- Not you people . It ' s very hard to work 2 with some of these figures you ' re throwing out 3 here . They ' re just not realistic . Thank you . 4 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . 5 MR . McCUE : I just want to answer Rose ' s 6 question . 7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : No, we ' re going to move 8 on, Bill . 9 MR . McCUE : Okay . 08:15PM 10 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Krysti , why don ' t you 11 finish up and then -- 12 MS . NOBLE : Okay . 13 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Because we have a long 14 agenda here and I think we ' ve pretty much had 08:15PM 15 everything, right? 16 MS . NOBLE : Sure . Just a clarification 17 on Staff ' s recommendation. The water sizing is 18 not based upon the fire suppression system, it ' s 19 based upon the Illinois State Plumbing Code, which 08:16PM 20 we have in force, and the one and a half inch pipe 21 has been implemented in a lot of communities 22 because -- it ' s to accommodate the 34 fixture 23 units that would trigger a one and a half, you 24 know, service line, so that has no relation to Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 57 1 fire suppression system. That ' s one thing . 2 Another thing, that NEC -- Staff is 3 recommending the 2008 . You can take out the arc 4 fault requirement . The reason why Staff is going 08:16PM 5 with the 2008 is because it ' s compatible with the 6 2009 International codes . 7 There was a recommendation for the 8 2005 , sight unseen, Staff had reviewed it in 9 comparison with the 2009 standard . They ' re not 08:16PM 10 going to have the building code updated, that ' s 11 why we ' re going with the 2008 . 12 With the requirement for fire 13 suppression system, it does not have to be enacted 14 now . You can -- you can approve it and set out a 08:16PM 15 date . If you look, most of our communities that 16 are being built , our subdivisions , have fee and 17 building code locks . Blackberry Woods , they have 18 a building code lock, they still build to the 2000 19 standard until 2018 . Autumn Creek has a building 08:17PM 20 code lock to 2015 . Bristol Bay, 2018 . 21 A lot of these builders who build 22 and have subdivisions do have fee locks , so it 23 really wouldn ' t affect, if this code was adopted, 24 any of those major builders that are still Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 58 1 building, the same as Pulte, right now . It would 2 not affect them now because they have code locks . 3 This is something as the community 4 development director is charged with over the I 08:17PM 5 building department with life safety issues , far 6 beyond the construction of a home, once a builder 7 is gone, but for our residents who continue to 8 stay here , and these are why the recommendations 9 were made . 08:17PM 10 ALDERMAN GILSON : Gary, just one 11 question and maybe a clarification from Krysti . 12 The majority of communities around here -- and I ' d 13 venture to say across the country because I ' m in 14 the industry -- are not mandating that homes 08:18PM 15 require inch and a quarter, inch and a half lines , I i 16 they ' re just not doing it , and I can tell you that 17 because I -- I call on them. I know that , so, you 18 know, we can talk about whether it ' s relational to -- 19 fire sprinklers or not , but they ' re just not , 08:18PM 20 they ' re not accepting it because it doesn ' t -- 21 it ' s way overkill and it ' s burdensome, and that ' s 22 just something to think about . 23 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Where does this go 24 next, Bart? Do we have to send this back to Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 59 1 committee for discussion or -- I guess I could ask 2 Council , where do we want this to go next? 3 It seems like there is still a lot 4 of discussion that needs to go on with this , and 08:18PM 5, it ' s probably best done on a committee level . 6 MR . OLSON : The EDC has already reviewed 7 the individual Staff recommendations and that ' s 8 how it got to public hearing . Did we have a I 9 recommendation as to the actual approval process 08:18PM 10 from here? 11 MS . NOBLE : Yes . Staff ' s recommendation 12 from the Building Code Update Committee, we have - 13 our recommendations , EDC ' s, City Council has the 14 opportunity after the public hearing to vote on 08:19PM 15 it . i 16 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Well -- 17 MR . OLSON : So the choice is yours . 18 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay then . Let ' s bring 19 it back here in two weeks and then we ' ll be 08:19PM 20 prepared to discuss it and -- 21 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : May I ask a 22 question? When we vote on this , are we voting on 23 each individual code separately? We ' re not just 24 saying here is the updates , yea or nay, right? Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 60 1 I mean, we ' re going to go through 2 the conservation code, we ' re going to go into the 3 electrical code? 4 MS . NOBLE : Correct . 08:19PM 5 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : And then the other 6 issue I had was there are several of the 7 communities that have not adopted -- a lot of the 8 communities that have not even adopted the energy 9 code, which is obviously required by the State of 08:19PM 10 Illinois , which -- don ' t get me started on 11 requirements by the State of Illinois . 12 So the concern I have -- the 13 question I have was what if we don ' t adopt the 14 energy codes? I mean, if they ' re required, why 08:19PM 15 don ' t they just pass a state law that says this is 16 the law and -- 17 MS . NOBLE : They have . 18 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : So why do we have to 19 adopt them? 08:19PM 20 MS . NOBLE : Because we have to have them I 21 in our code books as adopting it as our policy . 22 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : So my question is 23 what happens if we don ' t adopt it? Won ' t pay our 24 bills . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 61 1 MS . NOBLE : I mean, when it comes to our 2 plan reviewer, our plan reviewer would look at our 3 codes , and if it ' s not in our code , it would be 4 hard for them, if a developer challenges it , to 08:20PM 5 enforce , even though they can go back to the 6 state, lean back on the state code . It is easier 7 enforcement-wise if we adopt it and have it in our 8 code . 9 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : Well , just to make 08:20PM 10 my position clear on the sprinkler issue, I don ' t 11 think we need to put the additional burden on the 12 homeowner . 13 I won ' t vote for a code that has a 14 requirement for a sprinkler for a residential 08:20PM 15 property . I haven ' t heard any compelling reason f., 16 why I should change my vote . 17 So if the code comes back to us 18 written in any way, shape or form that residential 19 sprinklers are required, even at a future date, I 08:20PM 20 would vote against it , so that ' s just where I 21 stand so everybody knows . 22 The very fact that we have some of 23 these subdivisions locked in on the old code ' til 24 2018 , just tells me that the old code is fine . I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 62 1 mean, the houses aren ' t falling apart , the houses 2 aren ' t blowing up, the houses aren ' t burning down . 3 Sometimes I think we do change for 4 change sake, and I ' m glad that this was reviewed, 08:21PM 5 because it needs to be reviewed, but I don ' t think 6 that sometimes we just need to change for change 7 sake . 8 So I ' ll look at the final drafts 9 from whatever you guys come up with and vote 08:21PM 10 accordingly, but I would like to vote on each one 11 individually obviously, and that ' s where we stand . 12 ALDERMAN GILSON : And we may want to 13 make our packet like that because if we ' re going 14 to do that and vote on each individual code , we ' re 08:21PM 15 also going to have to vote on each individual 16 suggestion for amendment to different components 17 of those sections and it can make for a long 18 meeting, so just a suggestion . 19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay then . 08:21PM 20 MS . ORR : Maybe we should have a special 21 meeting to do that . 22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : We could . Okay . We ' ll 23 toss that idea around . 24 But other than that , we ' re going to Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 63 1 go out of public hearing and move forward . 2 (Which were all the 3 proceedings held in the 4 public hearing portion of 5 the meeting . ) 6 ---000--- 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 - 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 64 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) SS . 2 COUNTY OF LA SALLE ) 3 I , Christine M . Vitosh, a Certified 4 Shorthand Reporter, do hereby certify that I 5 reported in shorthand the proceedings had at the 6 hearing of the above-entitled cause and that the 7 foregoing Report of Proceedings , Pages 1 through 8 65, inclusive, is a true, correct , and complete 9 transcript of my shorthand notes so taken at the 10 time and place aforesaid . 11 I further certify that I am neither 12 counsel for nor related to counsel for any of the 13 parties to this suit, nor am I in any way related 14 to any of the parties to this suit, nor am I in 15 any way interested in the outcome thereof . 16 I further certify that my 17 certificate annexed hereto applies to the original _ 18 transcript and copies thereof, signed and 19 certified under my hand only . 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Oy Subject: Adjustments to the Bill List dN ? Please note the followin g changes on tonight's bill list: Page 1 of the bill list—WMSY Properties check amount has been changed from $130,000 to $6,400. Page 17 of the bill list—Big Ben Builders check amount has been changed from $596.70 to $569.70. As a result of these corrections, the bill list total for tonight's meeting has been reduced from $544,298.47 to $420,671.47.