City Council Minutes 2011 07-12-11 i
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE,KENDALL COUNTY,H.LINOIS,
HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
800 GAME FARM ROAD ON
TUESDAY,JULY 12,2011
Mayor Golinski called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. and led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
City Clerk Warren called the roll.
Ward I Gilson Present
Colosimo Present
Ward I I Milschewski Present
Kot Present
Ward III Munns Present(arrived at 7:48)
Funkhouser Present
Ward IV Spears Present
Teeling Present(left at 9:42)
Also present: City Clerk Warren, City Treasurer Powell, City Attorney Orr, City Administrator Olson,
Police Chief Hart,Deputy Chiefs of Police Hilt,Public Works Director Dhuse,Finance Director
Fredrickson,EEI Engineer Sanderson, and Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble
QUORUM
A quorum was established.
AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to revise the dollar amount of Consent Agenda item 1 CC 2011 —76
bills for payment for the amount of$544,298.47 to $420,671.47.
So moved Alderman Colosimo; seconded Alderman Funkhouser.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0
Teeling-aye, Gilson-aye,Funkhouser-aye, Spears-aye,
Milschewski-aye, Colosimo-aye,Kot-aye
PRESENTATIONS
None.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. Building Code Update
Please, see attached report of proceedings by Christine Vitosh C.S.R.from Depo Court Reporting Service
for the transcription of this portion of the meeting.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
Mike Skinner,a citizen, strongly requests that the City Council does not appoint Arthur Prochaska to the
Plan Commission.Prochaska's administration is the major cause of our economic situation in the City of
Yorkville, and now the city is feeling the effects of that administration.Arthur Prochaska's questionable
annexation agreements that resulted in lawsuits that the city is still paying the legal bills,the mass
annexation of subdivisions that have dragged this City down financially with water and sewer extensions.
He is not saying that Arthur Prochaska is personally responsible,but his administration is. It is a slap in
the face to all the citizens that are trying to put this town back on track.
Todd Milliron, 61 Cotswold Drive,thanked the committee for the work on the fire sprinklers and building
codes.He stated Alderman Spears said a value cannot be put on a person's life, and the additional cost of
fire sprinkler was well worth it. If she can make that argument,then he doesn't understand her opposition
to the minimal cost of the bike trails.It's interesting that Mayor Golinski is appointing former Mayor
Arthur Prochaska to the Planning Commission.Anne Lucietto, who is the current chairman,has served on
the Planning Commission since 1990. She is an experienced mechanical engineer. She has worked for
Com Ed, Fermi Lab and Caterpillar.Anne Lucietto has given 23 years of public service to the city of
Yorkville and has served the city with distinction. Our current mayor has not even lived in the City of
Yorkville for 10 years.This appointment is not based on expertise but on politics. The reason that Anne
Lucietto is being discarded was that she did not live within the city limits.According to state statute that
is not a disqualifying factor.As long as she has lived within one and a half miles of the city limits she is
eligible to serve on the plan commission.That is a state statute.Mayor Golinski is recommending for
appointment a former Mayor whose leadership resulted in multiple lawsuits being filed against the city
and resulting in a loss of hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars.Back in 2007 when Mayor Burd
appointed Jeff Baker and the City Council appointed Anne Lucietto to the Plan Commission Alderman
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Golinski attacked her for appointing what he called her political cronies.He had no proof of any
cronyism,but that didn't stop him.Mr.Baker lived a few blocks away from Mayor Burd, and that was his
damning evidence. Mayor Golinski didn't realize that Ann Lucietto, at that time,had served on the plan
commission for 17 years.If those appointments were cronyism,then what is this?Mr. Prochaska
appointed Mr. Golinski to the City Council in 2007,and can be given credit for starting Mr. Golinski's
political career.If the City Council votes in favor of this appointment tonight then they will be sending
Yorkville a clear message about their integrity and what the City Council really stand for.Mayor Golinski
asked Mayor Burd,"How can you sleep at night when you did not reappoint a long serving member of the
Library Board"?Maybe Mayor Golinski would like to answer his own question in regards to this Plan
Commission appointment.
Jesus Alaniz, Colonial Parkway, stated there are things that just don't make sense with the State of Illinois
and he doesn't trust the state government.He discussed the Route 47 Project changes to the drawings.To
make changes does take work but not thousands of dollars.There is no statute that can justify why it costs
thousands of dollars to make those changes. He stated the City Council is in its infancy and must be
careful not to cave on issues.He has an issue with the usage tax the Governor passed this year.The
Constitution states that a person cannot pass a law and make it retroactive and then charge someone with
a crime. Yet,that is what the Governor did.He takes the usage tax law and goes back to July of 2004 and
states that everyone is now responsible. Citizens have until October of this year to pay any usage tax
going back to 2004.He granted this under the status of amnesty. People are telling him to pay the tax for
it is only three dollars,yet,he brings up the scenario of the penny tax.He brought up the issue of City
Council members receiving health insurance benefits.He believes that it is no crime to take a benefit if it
is being offered.This information has been released through the Freedom of Information Act.The
Governor assigned one person to handle the Freedom of Information Act requests.The City must assign a
person to handle this or be charged a fine between$2,000 and$5,000 dollars.The Governor holds the city
to one standard while he has another standard for himself. Lisa Madigan used the Freedom of Information
Act to try to make public the names of everyone who owned firearms.He still feels that the bike trails are
an unnecessary expense,but would like to know the cost of the overall project.He wants to know who is
going to do the work.Will the Illinois Department of Transportation or the State be utilizing independent
contractors?If so,who will assume the liability risks and costs?If the city proceeds with the trails
utilizing independent contractors,he believes the contractor should be bonded.He understands this has
been a big burden put on the Mayor and City.If nothing else, our citizens deserve to have confidence in
our government, especially during these tough times.
Tom Gilmour,a citizen,regrets having to make this statement,but he wanted to comment on Mayor
Golinski's appointment of the former Mayor Arthur Prochaska for the Plan Commission.He is
disappointed in the Mayor's choice of this appointment due to the former mayor's involvement in the
landfill development.He believes Arthur Prochaska acted as a conduit for the Fox Moraine landfill.He
believes this is reason enough to deny the former mayor's appointment to the Plan Commission.Mr.
Prochaska concealed the fact of the landfill from the developers along the Fox Road corridor knowing
that the annexation of these properties was necessary to annex the property on which the landfill would
occupy as shown in the confidential memos Mr.Prochaska had sent.The memo also stated the need to
keep this information from developers.Risky ways to pay for utilities were also suggested to expedite the
annexation. Secondly,the Mayor also tried to deceive the public by saying the annexation was not about
the landfill,although the proposed landfill was discussed throughout the memo.The memos stated that
Yorkville will be impacted in excess by the proposed landfill,not just environmental but in terms of
excess traffic and smell.Mr. Gilmour stated it shows a complete disregard for health, safety, and quality
of life for both the city and surrounding area.In summary someone with this track record should not be
put in the position of planning and development in Yorkville.This city's involvement with the proposed
landfill has cost Yorkville hundreds of thousands of dollars over the past five years, including legal fees
stemming from this lawsuit.He urges the City Council not to make this appointment tonight,but rather
continue to look for qualified candidates.
Glen Poole, a citizen,has lived in Yorkville for eight years.He came to Yorkville because of its small-
town charm,and he wanted this to be his retirement community.Mr.Poole wants to speak tonight about
Arthur Prochaska.Mr. Prochaska was a good mayor, and he did good things for Yorkville.However, due
to what occurred during Mr.Prochaska's administration,which impacted the community; Mr.Poole does
not want Mr. Prochaska to be appointed to the Plan Commission.Mr.Poole asked that the Mayor and
City Council consider his position.He would recommend finding more candidates for the Plan
Commission.
Fred DuSell,a citizen,has lived in Yorkville since 2003.He went through the process with the landfill
situation.Mr.DuSell is tired of paying for legal expenses of elected officials that were neglectful of their
duty to the taxpayers of Yorkville.Mr.DuSell is very upset about that.He believes Mr.Prochaska has
demonstrated a lack of fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers of Yorkville,and Mr.DuSell doesn't
believe Mr.Prochaska deserves this appointment.
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CONSENT AGENDA
1. CC 2011-76 Bills for Payment-$420,671.47
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2. PW 2011-41 100 Bridge Street Plaza—Permanent Fire Hydrant Easement—authorize Mayor and
City Clerk to execute
3. PS 2011-17 Police Reports for May 2011
4. Ordinance 2011-28 Authorizing the Collection of an Application Fee from Applicants to the
Police and Fire Departments—authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute(PS 2011-19)
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as presented.
So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Alderman Milschewski.
Alderman Colosimo stated two line items need to be amended by motion on the bill list itself before the
City Council votes on the Consent Agenda.He stated that on the bill list,the two payments that were
erroneous were never officially removed to amend those two line items.He wants to amend those two line
items.The only amendment that was mentioned was the new total but never specifically the two line
items.For posterity and for the record,he believes the City Council should amend the two line items. City
Attorney Orr asked if the City Council, for the record,assumed that the change in the total reflects a
change on page 1 of the bill list of the WMSY property changed from$130,000 to$6400 and at the
revised sum also reflects for the record page 17 of the bill list Big Ben Builders check amount been
changed from$596.70 to$569.70. Thank you.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0
Colosimo-aye,Milschewski-aye, Spears-aye,Munns-aye,
Funkhouser-aye, Gilson-aye,Teeling-aye,Kot-aye
Minutes for Approval:
1. CC 2011-64 Minutes of City Council—May 24,2011
2. CC 2011-77 Minutes of City Council—June 14,2011
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the minutes of the City Council from May 24,2011 and
June 14,2011 as presented. So moved Alderman Spears; seconded Alderman Mums.
Alderman Milschewski had more changes to the May 24,2011,minutes which had been tabled. On page
15 of 15 under the Executive Session is still out of order with the Mayor entertaining a motion,and it was
not reflected who was seconded until after the roll call. There should be a vote after the so moved and
seconded.These changes will be reflected in the future minutes.Alderman Colosimo stated that on the
May 24, 2011,meeting the first citizen to speak had an incorrect last name.His last name was Stagner.
Alderman Spears stated on page 3, second paragraph,needs to be changed from state to stake holder
meeting.Also on page 5 under Public Works Committee report the second sentence all that needs to be
done is to take the period out.Also, on page 9 the 1 lth sentence up,it states Alderman Spears asks City
Administrator Olson to answer his question.Alderman Spears stated Alderman Gilson said the last
contractor hasn't been paid instead of hasn't paid. On page 14 under the Community Liaison report
Alderman Spears attended the NEIL board meeting instead of the Illinois board meeting.Also, where it
says Alderman Spears asked citizens to contact their senators for disapproval of the budget.All of these
corrections must be shown on the July 12,2011,minutes as well as on the actual May 24,2011, City
Council meeting minutes.Mayor Golinski stated that the City Council can approve the minutes as
amended.
The amended minutes were unanimously approved by a viva voce vote.
City Attorney Orr stated that the vote was for both sets of minutes.
REPORTS
MAYOR'S REPORT
Appointment to Plan Commission—Arthur Prochaska
(CC 2011-78)
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the Mayor's Appointment of Arthur Prochaska Jr.to the
Plan Commission. So moved by Alderman Kot; seconded by Alderman Milschewski.
Alderman Gilson does not believe Arthur Prochaska should be appointed to the Plan Commission
Committee.Due to Mr.Prochaska's involvement with the past administration,for it was detrimental to
the city.Mr.Prochaska left the city holding the bag, costing the residents and the taxpayers. It is a bad
idea to put Mr. Prochaska back in an advisory position. Based on what Alderman Gilson stated and what
the citizens stated,Alderman Teeling cannot approve this appointment.
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Alderman Colosimo has known Mr.Prochaska for several years and thinks he is a good man. He has
made mistakes in the past,and no administration is perfect.He believes this is a good thing for Yorkville.
He must go with his gut and approve the appointment of Mr.Prochaska to the Plan Commission simply
for the fact that he respects our current Mayor. This is an advisory position and ultimately the decisions
that the Plan Commission Committee make have to be approved by the City Council.Alderman Colosimo
feels there are enough safeguards so if the City Council doesn't like what is happening then ultimately it
is the City Council's decision.Mr.Prochaska is willing to step up for no pay and a lot of work with very
little acknowledgment from the residents.He will vote to appoint Arthur Prochaska and if he is appointed,
wishes him well.
Alderman Funkhouser was surprised to see the recommendation for the appointment of Arthur Prochaska
after everything that has transpired over the years.Mr.Prochaska is willing to step up and the city does
have safeguards.This is an advisory committee, so if somebody is not working for the best interest of the
city,then it is the City Council's responsibility to oversee that. If Mr.Prochaska were to be appointed,the
City Council is taking that responsibility.He has given this much thought and has decided to vote yes to
the appointment of Arthur Prochaska.
Alderman Teeling wanted the City Council to know that the city had another applicant and that applicant
was qualified.Alderman Gilson said the city did have another applicant which he thought would do a nice
job.The City Council should wait and to see if there are other applicants.
Alderman Munns stated for the record,that in the past when the landfill issues started,he voted against
the landfill. Arthur Prochaska has done good things for the city,but obviously,the landfill issue goes on
the other side.He has agreed and disagreed with Mr.Prochaska when he was Mayor and on the City
Council.This is an advisory board and the board cannot do anything without the consent of the City
Council.It will be a tough call either way.He asked Mayor Golinski if the City Council has always voted
on appointments or does the Mayor just appoint these positions himself. Alderman Munns doesn't
remember voting on these appointments.
Mayor Golinski stated he needs consent of the City Council.Mayor Golinski feels that Arthur Prochaska
was perfect for the Plan Commission.with his knowledge, experience, and history with the City. Mr.
Prochaska has done a lot for the City of Yorkville over the years.Mayor Golinski has talked to Mr.
Prochaska on many issues,and whether he agrees with him or not,has always valued his opinion. Mayor
Golinski stated that is what he looks for in an advisory board member.He doesn't understand the
controversy, and feels Mr.Prochaska has done more for the city than many people in this room.He
believes the development during Mr. Prochaska's administration has been phenomenal.
Alderman Gilson asked Mayor Golinski to remember the issues do not stop with the landfill.That was
one major part of a bigger picture. Some issues the City Council cannot speak about, and some issues the
citizens are well aware.When a person makes a mistake they should own up to it.When a person doesn't
collect debt from developers,it cost the city millions of dollars,which is what happened.To this day that
mistake has not been owned up to.The City Council has stated the city has safeguards in place.The only
safeguard the city has in place was raising the taxes and taking the money back out of the resident's
pockets,which is not a safeguard.He asked the City Council to please take a step back, look at everything
that has transpired, and once again requests that the City Council wait on this issue.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-6 Nays-2
Munns-aye, Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,
Milschewski-aye,Teeling-nay, Gilson-nay,Kot-aye
Appointment of Deputy Clerk
(CC 2011-79)
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to approve the appointment of Lisa Pickering as Deputy Clerk.
So moved by Alderman Munns; second and by Alderman Colosimo.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0
Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye,
Teeling-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye
IDOT Agreement for Reconstruction of Route 47
(CC 2011-80)
Mayor Golinski said the City received new estimates from IDOT regarding Yorkville's share of the Route
47 Project. It went down about$900,000 dollars.The original estimate was 3.58 million the new estimate
is 2.625 million.That is a difference of about$900,000 dollars.The staff is asking for direction due to
this new cost savings.Is the city proceeding with taking out all amenities?Mayor Golinski received
phone calls from downtown businesses asking the city not to remove these items from the downtown
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aesthetics.There are developers looking to invest a lot of money in our downtown,and the developers
also asked the city not to remove the aesthetics. Alderman Munns asked if it is really going to stop
developers from developing,if the amenities are not included in the Route 47 Project. If the city can save
money by leaving out the aesthetics,then the money can be used for many other items. Alderman Munns
doesn't believe leaving out amenities is going to make that big of a difference. Alderman Colosimo agreed
with Alderman Munns.The City Council has one chance to make a decision, and the residents were told
that the City Council would try to trim the cost.Alderman Gilson also agrees with Alderman Munns and
Alderman Colosimo. Alderman Gilson had questions on some of these items and began asking several
questions to City Administrator Olson in regards to IDOT's road construction maintenance, safety
accommodations, crosswalks, and costs of time delay for removing items. City Administrator Olson
answered these questions by stating the questions might be easier answered by forwarding the e-mail
from]DOT for they did address each item individually. They are not asking for comments on every other
section in the agreement tonight.They are mainly looking for direction on stamping, coloring, fencing,
and trails.Alderman Gilson stated the reason he is asking these questions now is if the City Council is
going to vote on these items then the Council should have the whole picture of what the items cost. City
Administrator Olson stated from what he gathered from reading the e-mail there was nothing in the city's
questions and IDOT's answers that would significantly delay the project or cost additional money. It was
merely justification based on those decisions.Alderman Gilson asked if adding sidewalks is going to cost
the city any additional money and if IDOT will throw those in there.Alderman Gilson wonders how this
will all work. City Administrator Olson stated that there was an omission on IDOT's part,and they agreed
to do it at their cost.
Alderman Spears said the City Council is not voting on this tonight.Mayor Golinski wants direction on
the optional items that the City Council has talked about removing.Alderman Gilson wanted to know if
the City Council would come back to this issue in the future.He has more questions to be asked. City
Administrator Olson said he would be happy to put as part of the public record if Alderman Gilson wants
to forward his comments over then he can answer them individually in detail,put them in the packet for
the next meeting,and then that will give Alderman Gilson the benefit of seeing what IDOT sends to him.
Alderman Gilson stated that if the City Council is just voting on removing those items,he believes that
should happen.
Alderman Funkhouser said as a consideration,the City Council needs to keep the stamped concrete on the
crosswalks.He believes this amenity has an actual safety benefit. If the city can manage keeping this in,
he feels it is very important. Alderman Milschewski wanted to know the cost to cut these items. City
Administrator Olson stated to remove them it would cost nothing.He did confirm that the removal of
coloring, stamping, fencing,and handrails could be done with in house staff that there would be no delay
to the project,and no cost to the city.
Mayor Golinski said there are four items, so he assumes the City Council members are okay with
removing the Fox fencing and handrails. Should the City Council go around the room to give a decision
on the stamped sidewalk and the coloring, or do the City Council members want to get rid of those
amenities, also?Alderman Milschewski asked if the stamped concrete will be hard to maintain.Public
Works Director Dhuse stated it is a state road, so it will be maintained.Alderman Milschewski clarified
the stamped concrete the city is removing is the crosswalk,not the walkway. City Administrator Olson
believes there was some stamping on the curb and two feet back from the curb.Public Works Director
Dhuse stated there is a ribbon behind the curb. There is stamping and coloring behind the curb,as well.
City Administrator Olson stated that this is to differentiate the closest point to the curb. Alderman
Milschewski assumed the state is putting some type of design into the stamping.Public Works Director
Dhuse stated the city is putting a brick or rock formation in the stamping. Alderman Milschewski asked if
that will be hard for staff to maintain. Public Works Director Dhuse stated it would be like maintaining a
brick driveway. Alderman Milschewski stated it is something the city could lose.Alderman Colosimo
asked the cost.Mayor Golinski stated$59,000 for the stamping and$19,000 for the coloring. The City
Council had talked about removing the stamping and keeping the coloring, so the crosswalks would be
red.Part of this also is the ADA curb ramp. If both the stamping and coloring are removed,the city will
not have ADA curb ramps that are colored and textured. The city would still have the ramps.The ramps
would be regular concrete.Alderman Funkhouser stated that the ADA curb ramps are a state requirement
and cannot be removed.He wanted to clarify from the City Council that the coloring and stamping is
explicitly the crosswalks or does that include the curb and the two foot band adjacent to the roadways.
City administrator Olson stated the total$19,000 coloring is crosswalks, sidewalks, and curbs. Originally,
he thought the$59,000 was the stamping for sidewalks but now he thinks it was for crosswalks as well.
He doesn't know what the differentiation is between the two. Alderman Funkhouser votes to leave the
color for the crosswalks. Alderman Funkhouser stated that if the coloring would make the sidewalks and
crosswalks pop,he believes the coloring is ok.However,he would still prefer the stamping,handrails,
and guardrails.Alderman Spears would like to have all amenities out of the city's budget and use the
money to provide for a flashing light at pedestrian crossings in the downtown area. There is no money in
the city's budget.Alderman Kot stated that he would like to see the colored sidewalks or crosswalks stay
in.He believes, for the money,that is a nice asset for the downtown area.Alderman Gilson would like to
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remove all the amenities. Alderman Teeling would love to see all the amenities stay in,but she realizes
that is not an option. She would like at least the coloring to stand as an option. Mayor Golinski asked if it
is correct that the city should get rid of everything except for the coloring.Alderman Munns asked how
many City Council members wanted coloring.Four answered yes.Alderman Milschewski asked if the
city is specifying the coloring just for the crosswalks or all of it. City Attorney Orr stated just for number
two,the$19,000 there were four.Mayor Golinski said to keep the coloring for$19,000.He asked City
Administrator Olson if he had clear direction, and City Administrator Olson stated fencing out,handrail
out, stamping out, and coloring in.He will send in that letter to IDOT tomorrow.
Heartland Circle—Rescind Warranty Bond Call
(CC 2011-81)
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to rescind the previously approved call of a developer's bond
B98804-010285. So moved by Alderman Funkhouser; seconded by Alderman Spears.
Community Development Director Barksdale-Noble stated the City Council authorized city staff to call a
bond from the developer. It was about$4,000 dollars that was an outstanding punch list item from the
Heartland Circle Subdivision.At that time there were four trees that had died and needed to be taken
away. Since that time the staff has reviewed the punch list and the annexation agreement. There are
clauses in the agreement that state it has to respond within 30 calendar days as a request for improvements
to be completed and sent into the city.That was not met, so she is asking approval from the City Council
to rescind the previously granted warranty bond call for Heartland Circle and authorized the city staff to
execute and send the attached letter to the bond issuer.Alderman Gilson wanted to know if Community
Development Director Barksdale-Noble had already submitted the letter dated July 13, 2011. Community
Development Director Barksdale-Noble had not submitted it. She is showing the letter to the City
Council, so they can see the language in the letter.Alderman Gilson stated that on May 6, 2010,there was
a letter from the former City Engineer Wywrot in response to the request to the developer. Alderman
Gilson wanted to know if there was any response from that letter. Community Development Director
Barksdale-Noble stated she was not involved but the developer is here tonight.The developer, Gary
Neyer, stated they completed this on May 6t'. Alderman Gilson questioned whether there was a response
to the May 6,2010 letter.Mr.Neyer stated no.Alderman Gilson stated he read a memo about the city's
crosswalks, intersections, and replacement of trees.Fourteen trees were listed.The developer, Gary
Neyer, stated that is correct.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-8 Nays-0
Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye,Teeling-aye,
Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye, Spears-aye
PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT
Route 71 (Route 47 to Orchard Road)—IDOT Letter of Understanding
(PW 2011-40)
Alderman Gilson made a motion to approve the letter of understanding between IDOT and the United
City of Yorkville regarding the proposed Route 71 Project and authorized the Mayor to execute.
So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Aldermen Munns.
Alderman Gilson asked if the city budget covered sidewalks between Walsh Drive to Walgreens. If so,
Alderman Gilson wanted to know when the funding will be available. City Administrator Olson stated the
city has not yet budgeted for these.The project should be built within the next 5 to 10 years.The city has
not budgeted for phase 2 for engineering or phase 3 which is construction.It is 5 to 10 years out from
having to be budgeted. Alderman Gilson asked about the shared use paths and wanted to know if the city
has budgeted for these trails. City Administrator Olson stated the same answer that was given for the
sidewalks because it is that far off.For now,the city has a three year budget.Alderman Gilson asked if
the city had gotten a commitment from the county and other entities regarding their payments for their
parts of those sections. City Administrator Olson stated no.He just received their letter of understanding.
Alderman Gilson mentioned the lighting and stated he assumes it is all the same cost.The city has a
budget that is 5 to 10 years out, and he mentioned it is that way for engineering and all across the board.
City Administrator Olson stated that is correct.
Alderman Gilson said on page 2 of the memo of the Illinois Department of Transportation it states that if
the city should decide in the future to eliminate work listed above,they may be responsible for the actual
cost of preliminary engineering. City Administrator Olson stated correct.His understanding was as long
as the city removes the trails prior to the beginning of phase 2 design engineering it shouldn't be a
problem.He has a verbal commitment from IDOT,but not in writing. Alderman Gilson stated that the
Yorkville portion of this project is tentatively scheduled for construction in the fiscal years 2012 to 2017.
Is IDOT going to guarantee Yorkville that they are going to have the funding available for this project,
and if they don't, can the city charge IDOT back?He doesn't understand why IDOT expects Yorkville to
project out to 2017,but if IDOT cannot come up with the funding that is okay. Alderman Spears said that
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on page 2 of 1DOT's letter to the city it stated other items such as utility,relocations, and sewer casings
would also be 100%of the local agency costs. She has a concern projecting out that far. She believes the
city is going to put ourselves in a position it is in with other items right now.There is no way to know
what type of economy the city will have in 2017.
Alderman Colosimo agrees with Alderman Spears and Alderman Gilson.He can't promise that the city
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will be able to budget for these items in 2017.The first step would be to look at a bigger budget plan so
the city can see what their projections are and where the city can allocate resources in the future. If this is
a priority for the City to allocate the resources then send the letter off stating that the City Council agreed
to commit these resources in the future. Alderman Gilson stated even if the city projects for these items in
2017 the money may not come in to support the projects based on the City's projection.Alderman Gilson
believes the City Council cannot cave in to this item by sending a letter of understanding to IDOT saying
the money will be there. Alderman Colosimo stated the widening of a state road is a 5 to 10 year project.
A City will always be in the predicament of having to budget 5 to 10 years ahead.If a budget could be
worked out,the City Council would still not be 100%sure if the money would be available but would
have a better idea.There will always be a little risk to get a project completed that is 5 to 10 years down
the road otherwise the roads will never get widened.The City Council must be conservative in
approaching the budget.
Alderman Funkhouser stated that the widening of Route 71 is worthwhile,however questions whether the
city can afford its portion in the future.The removal of the provision that the city is responsible for
changes initiated by IDOT would make the project more desirable. Another negative to the project is the
cost associated with changes initiated by the city.
Motion failed by a roll call vote. Ayes-2 Nays-6
Teeling-aye, Gilson-nay,Kot-aye,Munns-nay,
Spears-nay, Colosimo-nay,Funkhouser-nay,Milschewski-nay
Progressive Energy Natural Gas Proposal
(PW 2011-44)
Alderman Gilson made a motion to move gas accounts from Nicor to Santanna for a contract term of 12
months. Seconded by Alderman Colosimo.
Alderman Munns confirmed with City Administrator Olson that in a previous discussion he felt that
switching to Santanna would not provide substantial savings.Alderman Munns questioned from where
Santanna's portion comes.He wants to know who is responsible for the purchase of the gas and who is
responsible for the maintenance of the lines. City Administrator Olson stated Santanna is paid a
percentage from Nicor and that Nicor would be responsible for maintaining pipelines.
Santanna would be responsible only for the production of gas. Alderman Gilson questioned if the
removal of the 10 accounts from Nicor would increase the overall cost to the City. City Administrator
Olson stated he does not believe the price is volume based but simply a flat rate for the Cash for Terms
Program. Alderman Gilson suggests the city verify the cost associated with these changes. Alderman
Colosimo questioned whether the rebate associated with gas purchase is based on usage, and if so,how
would it affect the city. City Administrator Olson stated that the rebate is based on population,not based
on usage.
Alderman Colosimo moved to table this issue back to Public Works so the city can get an answer on how
it will affect the rate if we reduce our consumption. Seconded by Alderman Gilson.
Motion to table approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0
Colosimo-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye,
Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,Munns-aye, Spears-aye
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
PARK BOARD
Raintree Village Park B—Change Order#1
(CC 2011-82)
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Mayor Gohnski entertained a motion to approve a change order for Raintree Village Part B playground,
amount not to exceed$740 dollars. So moved by Alderman Colosimo; seconded by Alderman
Funkhouser.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0
Funkhouser-aye,Milschewski-aye, Gilson-aye,Kot-aye,
Munns-aye, Spears-aye, Colosimo-aye
PLAN COMMISSION
Mayor Golinski stated the Plan Commission meeting is tomorrow.He is appointing Tom Lindblom as the
new chairman of the Plan Commission.That is just an informational item.
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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
No report.
CITY COUNCIL REPORT
No report.
CITY CLERK's REPORT
No report.
CITY TREASURER'S REPORT
City Treasurer Powell stated the city was notified today that Illinois Department of Insurance was going
to perform a routine audit on the police pension fund.This is the first audit the city has ever had on this
fund.He is looking forward to seeing how the city does.
COMMUNITY&LIAISON REPORT
The Developer Impact Fees
Alderman Colosimo stated the Library Board wants to discuss the ordinance covering the developer
impact fees at upcoming Administration Committee Meeting.The Library Board's concern is that the
ordinance is too restrictive. City Attorney Orr has drafted a new proposed ordinance and showed it in last
night's Library Board meeting.The proposed ordinance would give the Library Board more flexibility for
expenditures.
YBSD Meeting
Alderman Gilson attended the Yorkville Bristol Sanitary District meeting on July 11,2011. The
committee discussed liability insurance and pollution insurance if necessary.The contract,which will be
approved August 8,2011,was reviewed.Penalties and punitive damages were excluded.June and July
bills were approved as presented.The Dissolved Oxygen Project has been delayed due to lack of parts.
Plant gates are in the process of automating, and the operators for those gates are$5,000 done by remote.
They met with Hutchinson Engineering about River Road Bridge construction.A concern is a rise in the
elevation of the road and the narrowing of the entrance to the plant and drainage.YBSD are also
expressing concern about fast tracking the bridge construction without a report on how they are going to
handle the dam.They asked if the bridge construction might be jeopardized depending on the outcome of
the dam stabilization or removal.YBSD did a couple student tours this week and met with the city to
discuss the ice cream facility for the Whitewater Park and the possibility of a restaurant behind the
facility.They have an issue with cutting a deal with a private business in a public place versus cutting a
deal with a private business across the street.YBSD has no long-term incentive to cut a deal.YBSD
wants more communication between the city and the district.Former City Engineer Joe Wywrot was the
point man, and who should the citizens go to now for day-to-day issues.YBSD didn't know about the
White Water business before they had plumbing on the floor.A permit is supposed to be obtained first
before construction is allowed.There is a lack of communication that would be fixed if businesses follow
the proper procedure.YBSD plans on keeping their fees consistent,and they believe their fees are
justified.The city is considering sacrificing their exemption status regarding paying the real estate taxes
on that facility. If the city wants to rent property,then the City needs to start considering payment of the
fees and real estate taxes ahead of time. The YBSD stated there is 50%more water being treated by the
YBSD city pumps annually. Grease traps and appliance standards were discussed.There was a report that
the budget has been passed,and the report needs to be signed so the YBSD can post the budget. New
higher policies were discussed.There will be a meeting with the Fox River study group for the river is
very low and they will be discussing that. The flow will be discussed, also.The YBSD also had a
discussion on secondary bank selection.
Alderman Colosimo pointed out that publication one which was PS 1 Parking Grande Reserve North,was
overlooked on the agenda.He would like that to be put on the next City Council meeting. City
Administrators Olson stated the reason it was in the packet is that it was on the draft agenda and the city
did not send out the notification letters to the residents on time. It was scheduled for the next meeting.
The information did not get removed from the packet.Alderman Colosimo asked when a letter is going
out. City Administrator Olson stated that it went out July 11,2011.
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STAFF REPORT
No report.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Signage
Alderman Munns stated that due to the tree falling down on Cannonball Trail,he wants to have signs put
up at the entrance of Route 47. Residents are upset with trucks speeding through their subdivision.Public
Works Director Dhuse will get signs up tomorrow.Police Chief Hart stated his department is keeping an
extra watch out for semis.
Breakdown of housing department costs
Alderman Colosimo wanted a breakdown of our departments when a new house is built in Yorkville,with
the fee amount,how it gets distributed and if it is possible to get a comparison for municipalities within
Kendall County.If the city is encouraging development,he would like to see how competitive the city is.
City Administrator Olson stated that it is being done in Economic Development Committee at this time
and will be reported back to the City Council.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to go into Executive Session for the purpose of the following three
items.
1. For litigation, when an action against, affecting, or on behalf of the particular public body has
been filed and is pending before a court or administrative tribunal, or when the public body finds
that an action is probable or imminent, in which case the basis for the finding shall be recorded
and entered into the minutes of the closed meeting.
2. The purchase or lease of real property for use of the public body.
3. The setting of a price for sale or lease of property owned by the public body.
So moved by Alderman Spears; seconded by Alderman Milschewski.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes-7 Nays-0
Spears-aye,Milschewski-aye, Colosimo-aye,Kot-aye,
Gilson-aye,Funkhouser-aye,Munns-aye
The City Council entered Executive Session at 10:02 p.m.
The City Council returned to regular session at 10:31 p.m.
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Golinski entertained a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved by Alderman Funkhouser;
seconded by Alderman Milschewski.
Adjournment of the meeting was unanimously approved by a viva voce vote.
Meeting adjourned at10:32 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
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1 PRESENT :
2 Mr . Gary Golinski , Mayor;
3 Mr . George Gilson, Jr . , Alderman;
4 Mr . Carlo Colosimo, Alderman;
5 Ms . Jackie Milschewski, Alderman;
6 Mr . Larry Kot, Alderman;
7 Mr . Marty Munns , Alderman;
8 Mr . Chris Funkhouser, Alderman ;
9 Ms . Rose Ann Spears , Alderman;
10 Ms . Diane Teeling, Alderman .
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13 Mr . Bart Olson, City Administrator,
14 Mr . William Powell , City Treasurer,
15 Ms . Beth Warren, City Clerk,
16 Ms . Kathleen Field-Orr, City Attorney.
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1 ( Pledge of Allegiance . )
2 MAYOR GOLINSKI : We will go into public
3 hearing for the building code update .
4 MS . NOBLE : Sure . Good evening . This
07:02PM 5 has been a long journey for the Community
6 Development Department as well as the Building
7 Update Committee .
8 They were appointed last year, and
9 beginning July, 2010 we went into the process of a
07:02PM 10 nine-month long endeavor of updating, going
11 through each of the codes , analyzing them, and
12 coming to some recommendations that we ' re going to
13 be giving to you tonight .
14 Currently the City is operating
07:02PM 15 under the 2000 I codes ; those are the 2000
16 International codes . They are standard throughout
17 the country . There is a committee that meets
18 yearly, and every three years the cycle of these
19 codes are updated, so the codes have been updated
07:02PM 20 in 2003 , 2006 and now 2009, and we are three
21 cycles behind the most recent code updates and we
22 are looking to increase that time frame of us
23 reviewing these codes so that we are constant with
24 what the new building practices and construction
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1 practices and management styles are .
2 So, with that being said, the Staff
3 has put together a very comprehensive memo of all
4 of our discussions and recommendations for the
07:03PM 5 building code update today, and I will point out
6 just a few things .
7 The International Fuel and Gas Code,
8 we ' re looking at the 2009 version, and there is
9 one recommendation that Staff is making that is
07:03PM 10 not in sync with the Building Code Update
11 Committee, just so you know that .
12 The International Plumbing Code , we
13 are looking at adopting the 2009 as well as the
14 most current version of the state plumbing code .
07:03PM 15 There is a matter on that issue about the water
16 size connection, water service pipelines . Staff
17 initially was recommending one and a half inch --
18 one and a quarter inch, which the Building Code
19 Update Committee recommended. We were looking at
07:04PM 20 one and a half inch, and further explanation can
21 be given to you in our discussion .
22 We ' re adopting the Illinois Energy
23 Conservation Code 2009 . This code went into
24 effect January -- through January, 2010 ; it ' s
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1 supposed to go into effect for all communities in
2 2010 . We were utilizing this as a state mandate,
3 so we ' re looking for no amendments to that code .
4 There is a 2009 International
07:04PM 5 Mechanical Code, the 2009 International Property
6 Maintenance Code , the 2009 International Fire
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7 Code , and you get into the area that we ' re all
8 probably here to discuss , the 2009 International
9 Residential Code .
07:04PM 10 This code is a minimum code, all the
11 codes are minimum codes , and they ' re requiring
12 fire suppression sprinkler systems in residential
13 homes . That ' s something that the Building Code
14 Update Committee decided to not put into this
07:05PM 15 code .
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16 Staff is looking to put it into the
17 code so that we ' re not less restrictive and we ' re
18 looking at possibly any new home that ' s built ,
19 3 , 500 square feet or more, would be required to
07:05PM 20 have a fire suppression system.
21 We ' re looking at the 2009
22 International Building Code and the 2009
23 International existing building code .
24 The one code that Staff really wants
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1 to emphasize is the Electrical Code in our
2 discussions . The recommendation was made to
3 approve the 2008 National Electrical Code . That
4 code is harmonious with the 2009 series of the I
07:05PM 5 codes .
6 The Building Code Update Committee
7 decided to go to the 2005 code ; Staff is still
8 recommending the 2008 .
9 Jeremy Canavan, who is with the
07:05PM 10 Bristol-Kendall Fire District, was our
11 chairperson . If you ' ll come up . He has a
12 presentation and he will discuss the fire
13 suppression system, and I have in the audience
14 Dick Blondin from B & F Technical Services to
07:06PM 15 answer more specific code questions that you might
16 have . Turn it over to Jeremy .
17 MR . CANAVAN : Good evening, everybody .
18 Before the video begins , as Krysti said, we were
-- 19 working on these codes for quite a while and it
07:06PM 20 was my pleasure to chair the committee . I learned
21 a lot from that .
22 One of the biggest topics obviously
23 was the residential fire sprinklers . The City
24 came back and said that we would like to have a
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1 3 , 500 square foot threshold . Obviously I would
2 like to have the zero threshold as the code says .
3 Any time you make a code less stringent , it sets
4 yourself up for lawsuits and what not .
07:06PM 5 So with that , I would like to
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6 present a video, it ' s real short , and then I will
7 talk to you real quick and we ' ll go from there .
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9 MR . CANAVAN : Thanks for your patience
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07:17PM 10 everybody, appreciate that . So our fire chief,
11 Bristol-Kendall Fire , had a house recently built
12 and he put a fire sprinkler system in . It was a
13 little more expensive than $ 1500 , it was 6500?
14 $ 6, 500 , but he did that because he believes in
07:17PM 15 fire sprinklers . He believes that it ' s good for
16 our community .
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18 something down here . I 'm not a good speech guy,
19 so I apologize . Residential sprinklers not only
07:17PM 20 provide additional protection on top of the
21 required smoke detectors for those that live in
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23 who will be called to that home .
24 Recently we ' ve seen and heard news
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1 reports about people dying in single family homes
2 where they were trapped and unable to save their
3 lives and save themselves .
4 These fatalities usually occur with
07:18PM 5 a phenomenon known as flashover . Flashover is
6 that time during a fire when anything that can
7 burn ignites . Residential sprinklers control the
8 fire during its inception stage and prevent
9 flashover .
07:18PM 10 Residential fire sprinklers can
11 provide additional protection for young children
12 less than five years of age and adults over 65
13 that are statistically at a higher risk and may be
14 unable to escape a house fire on their own or even
f 07:18PM 15 with some smoke detectors .
16 If saving lives isn ' t enough,
17 residential sprinklers also reduce fire and smoke
18 damage to the structure and personal property . As
- 19 a result, families are allowed to return to their
07:18PM 20 homes usually the same day with minor clean-up .
21 With our public forum, we have an
22 insurance gentleman here . Insurance companies are
23 saying that they are for fire sprinklers .
24 Obviously they would much rather replace your
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1 carpets and furniture than the structure itself .
2 And, additionally, we also had a
3 side-by-side demo similar to that, one in October
4 at Hoover Forest Preserve . We had that fire out
07:19PM 5 in 27 seconds , quick mop up . They probably could
6 have been in that home in less than a day .
7 The other side of the building, we
8 simulated a fire department response . Six
9 minutes , the structure was gone . Nobody is going
07:19PM 10 to survive that fire .
11 So that ' s my presentation . I
12 appreciate your time . Thank you .
13 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Do we have any public
14 comment on the building code update?
07:19PM 15 MR . McCUE : Yes . My name is Billy McCue
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16 with McCue Builders . Just a couple of comments on
17 the video there, which I agree , I mean, there is
18 no price you can put on a life , but, you know,
19 just a couple misleading things . It ' s amazing how
07:20PM 20 they can tweak .
21 You know, the smoke detector was not
22 in the bedroom, which is code, so why they put a
23 presentation together that doesn ' t have a smoke
24 detector in the bedroom, I think it said it took
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1 30 seconds for the one in the hall to go off, you
2 know, just -- you know, you ' ve got guys that ' s
3 trying to show why they want to do something and
4 make something so misleading just to me doesn ' t
07:20PM 5 make sense . It gets me going just watching it .
6 But , you know, they talk about cost ,
7 $1, 500 to $2500 , and I ' ll talk a little bit about
8 it, but it ' s much more than that . It ' s in the ten
9 of thousands . Some houses could be $20 , 000 . And
07:20PM 10 I ' m not making any of this up .
11 I ' m a builder . We built a house --
12 There ' s other things that go along with it . The
13 insurance companies , yes , they are in -- they are
14 in favor for it as long as you have the fire alarm
07:21PM 15 system to go along with it, so if you ' re on
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17 accidently goes off, they ' re going to notify the
18 fire department , so they ' re there, if it ' s not a
19 fire, they ' re going to put this out, where if you
07:21PM 20 don ' t have the fire alarm system, that water is
21 going to run for -- until someone gets there, and
22 I would think that your homeowner ' s insurance is
23 going to charge you a lot more if you don ' t pay
24 for this fire alarm system, which is another
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1 $1 , 500 on top of the sprinkler system that I
2 didn ' t even have in the price .
3 But again, I ' ve been building here
4 in Yorkville for 20 years . I ' ve built -- I ' ve
07:21PM 5 built over 600 homes , 300 of them have been in the
6 Yorkville school district , and just to kind of
7 show you which -- I mean, you guys know where
8 building has went in the last few years .
9 Between 2003 to 2005 , I built 165
07:21PM 10 homes in the Yorkville school district ; from ' 09
11 until now, I built 11 . That ' s 154 homes less with
12 the economy changing . Land values have dropped 70
13 to 80 percent from 2005 . I mean, a hundred
14 thousand dollar lot is now at 20 to $30 , 000 .
07:22PM 15 Me as a builder, I mean, we are
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17 used to make when we built homes in ' 05 .
18 The subcontractors , they can ' t even
19 buy material . I 'm using the same guys that I
07:22PM 20 started with 20 years ago for the most part , and I
21 have to buy the material because these guys can ' t
22 get loans because of how slow the market is , and,
23 you know, with all this happening, you know, now
24 we ' re talking about adding 10 to $15 , 000 to the
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1 cost of a house .
2 And, you know, I agree , a life --
3 there ' s no price , but accidents are going to
4 happen no matter what we do, but , I mean, the
07:23PM 5 people -- Yorkville, the city, they voted for the
6 bike trail . I mean, they didn ' t want to pay ten
7 to $25 a year for the bike path and we ' re trying
8 to stick somebody for 10 , 000 to $ 15 , 000? You
9 know, it just doesn ' t make sense .
07:23PM 10 If we had this -- There ' s not many
11 builders here tonight , and if this meeting was in
12 2005 , there ' d be 30 to 50 builders here . There ' s
13 none left . Most of the guys -- there ' s very few
14 builders left , and we ' re just , you know, going to
07:23PM 15 make things worse if this happens .
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17 a house for the fire chief just recently, I
18 haven ' t had one person who wanted to put a
19 sprinkler system in their house . Not one .
07:23PM 20 I sit down, I sign every contract .
21 I prob -- I ' ve built 600 homes , I ' ve probably met
22 with 5 , 000 people . Not one person has ever wanted
23 to put a sprinkler system in their home .
24 You know, we ' ll put -- We ' re a
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1 custom builder . I mean, they want a three-car
2 garage, two-car garage, they want a basement, they
3 want a two-story, they want a brick front , I mean ,
4 we ' ll do anything they want . Not one person has
07:24PM 5 wanted a sprinkler system.
6 You know, this has kind of been
7 brewing for a couple years , and I ' ve talked to a
8 lot of people here in Yorkville , you know, over
9 the last couple years and everywhere, and even the
07:24PM 10 people we have built for, not one of them would
11 put up a sprinkler system. I mean, you can put a
12 survey in the record . Nobody wants one in their
13 home .
14 I had a brother that ' s a fireman, I
07:24PM 15 have a cousin, my best friend . You ask -- I ' ve
16 asked so many firemen what they think about it and
17 they ' re -- it ' s the same reaction from all of
18 them. They roll their eyes and they ' re like it ' s
19 overkill , smoke detectors save lives .
07:25PM 20 My brother, about seven years ago,
21 when Yorkville looked to -- when they moved to
22 make it mandatory to put them in duplexes , I was
23 looking at doing Prairie Gardens and so I put some
24 time into sprinkler systems , and it was the same
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1 thing back then . I was told it was going to cost
2 a thousand dollars . It was -- started at $4 , 500
3 and got up to $5 , 000 for these townhomes , but
4 everything my brother gave me in these books is
07:25PM 5 sprinkler systems are designed to save the
6 buildings and smoke detectors are what save lives .
7 And I can get some emails I ' ve got
8 overwhelming in the last couple days from
9 different builders . I belong to the Northern Home
07:25PM 10 Builders Association, and statistics on the newer
11 homes , there ' s few -- less fires in your newer
12 homes , the problems are in the homes that are
13 30 years old, and that ' s what a lot of these
14 things talk about .
07:26PM 15 But cost, as I talked about the
16 chief ' s house, was 2100 -- 2141 was the square
17 footage , a small three bedroom ranch . $ 6, 500 is
18 what it cost . We did use a little bit more
19 expensive head that is a flush mount on the wall
07:26PM 20 so it doesn ' t stick out, which I would think you
21 have to use in new homes so kids don ' t throw balls
22 and hit them.
23 But along with that , in Yorkville,
24 the water line is a one-inch water line and that
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1 doesn ' t bring enough water to the house for the
2 sprinkler system, so we ' re looking at bringing
3 another inch and a half, which is going to add big
4 cost .
07:26PM 5 If we have to connect to the water
6 mains , which are on the opposite side of the
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8 bore underneath the street and bring it back.
9 But with getting a fire alarm
07:26PM 10 system, which isn ' t code, but I think if you
11 get -- and Jeremy will tell you, if you get a
12 sprinkler system, you should have a fire alarm
13 system hooked up which is going to detect if the
14 heads go off . That ' s $1 , 200 .
07:27PM 15 And then you ' re looking at yearly
16 fees . Your alarm system, it ' s $35 a month .
17 Someone is going to have to come out once a year
18 for $85 and check the system. To have the
19 sprinkler system flushed is $150 , that ' s going to
07:27PM 20 have to be done every year . So there ' s a lot of
21 upkeep .
22 But , you know, my guess is -- and I
23 haven ' t gotten a price on a 3200 square foot home ,
24 but you ' re going to be looking at $12 , 000 , and
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1 that ' s not if you don ' t have to connect to the
2 water main, which could be anywhere from four to
3 $6, 000 . So I think they ' re a little misleading on
4 the cost .
07:27PM 5 You know, it ' s just another cost
6 that the homeowners are going to have to finance .
7 You know, if it ' s 10 , 000 to 15 , 000 , you can almost
8 double that cost for a 30-year mortgage .
9 You know, as I said, we can ' t get
07:28PM 10 homes to appraise now . With all of the costs ,
11 with land dropping, with us making less , we can ' t
12 get houses to appraise right now, and they ' re --
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14 I don ' t even know if I would be able
07:28PM 15 to get a loan -- I -- the banks will only lend us
16 so much money to build a house, and if we ' ve got
17 to put another 10 to 15 , 000 in it , it ' s more money
18 that we ' re going to have to come up with upfront .
-- 19 I mean, I just think it will -- it will shut down
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23 live in Bristol now, but I buy my lumber, my
24 windows , my trim, my door knobs , I use local
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1 banks , local title companies , my concrete guy
2 lives here in Yorkville, my framer, my surveyor,
3 my shelving guy, my drywall . I mean, just about
4 everything I get is here in Yorkville, and you ' re
07:29PM 5 just going to put the hurt to them that much more .
6 And thank you for your time .
7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone
8 else?
9 MR . DYSELL : My name is Fred Dysell,
07:29PM 10 River ' s Edge subdivision . Regarding the fire code
11 with the sprinkler systems , it ' s a waste of money .
12 I 'm a 30-year career firefighter retired from the
13 Aurora Fire Department , Battalion Chief retired .
14 The fire department should be
07:29PM 15 trained to do interior attacks on a fire . We had
I'- 16 a fire in our subdivision just two weeks ago,
17 attic fire . It should have been addressed
18 properly .
19 The sprinkler system situation that
07:30PM 20 was addressed here on the videotape would have
21 never addressed that because it was in the attic,
22 there is no fire load up there , so it would have
23 been a waste of money in that situation .
24 Bottom line is teach the fire
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1 department training for interior attacks . That ' s
2 what they get paid for . It ' s not essential to
3 have a sprinkler system built in a house .
4 Fire alarms , smoke alarms , are the
07:30PM 5 best thing that ever happened to the fire service ,
6 and that ' s the way it should -- It should stay
7 that way, so -- Hope I can help .
8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Fred .
9 Jesse , do you have something?
07:31PM 10 MR . ALANIZ : Yes , sir .
11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : This is only on the
12 building code update .
13 MR . ALANIZ : Yes, Your Honor .
14 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay .
07:31PM 15 MR . ALANIZ : Your Honor, I ' ve held many
- 16 jobs . I ' ve been working full-time since I was
17 16 years old . Before becoming a marketing
18 assistant , the last job that I did was being in
19 industrial maintenance, and I took several classes
07:31PM 20 over at Waubonsee Community College , also took a
21 class on the National Electrical Code , studied all
22 the other codes . They were part of our
23 curricular .
24 Your Honor, every time government
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1 steps in for the greater good, for the common
2 good, for the safety of the people , there ' s
3 always -- There ' s no price that you can put on
4 this , on the sprinkler system. That ' s fine , let
07:32PM 5 the manufacturer pay for it if it ' s if there
6 is -- if they value life so much .
7 I say this for a reason . When I
8 took my class on the National Electrical Code ,
9 there were people there who had submitted
07:32PM 10 suggestions for this electrical code .
11 One of them, this person wasn ' t
12 there, but they told us the story of a new wall
13 outlet . You put it near your curtains where the
14 windows are, so if it rains , the water comes in --
07:32PM 15 same thing, they show the very same thing . The
16 water comes in, it shorts out, flash, your
17 curtains are on fire .
18 We ' ve got to have that outlet in
19 there, we ' ve got to make it code, for the greater
07:33PM 20 good of the people . The person that put that part
21 of that code in there was the manufacturer of the
22 outlet itself . Now I have to question, is it a
23 question of safety or is it a question of profit?
24 The other thing, as the builder
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1 says -- and while I have all respect for the fire
2 department for wanting to do things safely, we ' re
3 invading on his privacy . We ' re invading on his
4 liberty to build .
07:33PM 5 I think Ronald Reagan said it best
6 when he quoted Lao Tzu, Every year we create more
7 criminals and tax cheats by the government ' s
8 creation of new codes and laws and regulations .
9 Your Honor, I -- If it ' s a question
07:34PM 10 of public safety and everything and if this is
11 something that ' s really good for our community and
12 everything, let it be voluntarily . You know,
13 educate the public, make -- make an offer out
14 there to them, educate them on what it ' s all
07:34PM 15 about, make offers to them what the costs are, but
16 I don ' t think this is government ' s place to be
17 stepping in .
18 Your Honor, I yield the floor .
19 Thank you, sir .
07:34PM 20 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Jesse .
21 Anyone else?
22 MR . SKINNER : Hi . My name is Mike
23 Skinner . I was on the committee for the Building
24 Code Committee . I was part of the group that
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1 voted against having sprinklers put in . I ' m also
2 a builder here in Yorkville . I ' m also on the
3 Zoning Board of Appeals here in Yorkville . I ,
4 too, have been here for almost 30 years , so I have
07:35PM 5 a vested interest .
6 I am in a unique spot where because
7 I live in a sprinkled home that I built . I live
8 in a duplex . I was required to put sprinklers in .
9 Unlike the video there, it wasn ' t
07:35PM 10 1500 to $2 , 000 . Mine was 9, 000 per side, 18 , 000
11 per building, for 1650 square feet . It was a
12 little more because I did put better heads in .
13 My basement was sprinkled so that
14 when I finished it , the bedrooms were sprinkled as
07:35PM 15 per code as they should be . It was designed that
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16 way .
17 If I were to build that same home
18 right now, I couldn ' t . I couldn ' t build that same
19 design, the same vaulted ceilings . I couldn ' t do
07:35PM 20 it because the codes have changed .
21 First of all , as Billy said, I don ' t
22 have the water service coming into my house . I
23 would have to bore under Walsh Drive . A sewer
24 tap -- or a water tap for both units add about --
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1 on a duplex now, you ' re looking at about $ 6, 000
F:, 2 for the length . The building is a little bit shy .
3 About 6 , 000 .
4 Then, because I have vaulted
07:36PM 5 ceilings , the new codes would not allow me to put
6 sprinklers in -- or put vaulted ceilings in . You
7 can ' t put them up there unless they go to what ' s
8 called a dry system.
9 You need to be educated a little bit
07:36PM 10 on different types of sprinkler systems . You have
11 a wet system, which is the system is always wet .
12 There ' s always water in it . Fire goes off , the
13 sprinkler head goes off . You knock the head off,
14 your kids are playing baseball in the basement ,
07:36PM 15 water goes off .
16 You have another one that has glycol
17 in it , which is -- allows you to put the sprinkler
18 head up here in the ceiling and it won ' t freeze .
19 More money to put it in, requires more
07:37PM 20 maintenance, must be flushed yearly .
21 The other way is called a dry
22 system. There is air in the lines , sprinkler head
23 goes off for whatever reason, fire, kid knocks it
24 off, there ' s no water in the line . You have an
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1 air compressor in your basement that pumps the
2 water up there . Very expensive system.
3 But right now, if you want to put
4 this kind of ceiling, you can ' t , unless you go
07:37PM 5 with a very expensive sprinkler system, either a
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7 maintained every year . I ' ll get to that in a
8 minute, how we ' re going to maintain it .
9 The other thing is , as far as the
07:37PM 10 insurance companies go, I got $175 a year break on
11 my homeowner ' s policy . That ' s -- Per half . I own
12 both sides . But if I wanted the water protection
13 service, it was another 165 -- excuse me , $165 a
14 year, so I saved $10 a year for a $ 9 , 000
07:38PM 15 investment . Not a very good return .
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16 Let ' s talk about building a little
17 bit . Homes are built -- I haven ' t built as many
18 as Billy has , not 600 , I wish, but Billy builds
19 good homes . We all build good homes because we ' re
07:38PM 20 forced to by the building codes we currently have .
21 We have draft stop, we have smoke
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23 people know there is a fire . As far as draft stop
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1 level in a home , between the basement/first floor,
2 first floor/second floor, if you have a second
3 floor, or first floor and up here, every
4 penetration in that wall , in that floor, has to be
07:38PM 5 fire caulked so no air can get down there, up the
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6 wall , into the ceiling . No air, a fire can ' t
7 spread .
8 If you have a soffit going along up
9 here -- you know what soffits are -- it has to be
07:39PM 10 blocked off from the wall .
11 Codes are written now for safety
12 without sprinklers . Our homes are very safe . If
13 new homes burn, it ' s because of careless people .
14 I mean, we ' ll never be able to outlaw cigarette
07:39PM 15 smoking, lighters , and build concrete houses with
16 concrete furniture . We have to educate the
17 people .
18 But by telling the next person that
19 wants to move into Yorkville that he has to spend
07:39PM 20 a minimum of $12 , 000 just to put a sprinkler in, I
21 would ask each and every one of you in this room
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23 the money . Put it in . Okay? Show that you
24 really are behind it . I don ' t think you will .
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1 So we build good homes now, they ' re
2 safe , and I think we need to take a step back .
3 There may come a time when sprinklers will be
4 required throughout all of the United States just
07:39PM 5 like seatbelts are . Right now let ' s make it the
6 choice of the person that wants it .
7 If I built a duplex, would I put one
8 in? No . I couldn ' t afford it now, not in this
9 economy . When I sell my duplex, will I get that
07:40PM 10 $ 9 , 000 back? No way . Absolutely not .
11 So do we want to cripple the people
12 that want to move into Yorkville, burden them with
13 something that may save lives? It will save
14 lives , back that up . It will save lives . But
07:40PM 15 it ' s their choice, they can do it if they want to
16 put it in .
17 But in the meantime, let ' s let them
18 make the choice , not this group of people here
19 saying you have to do it . Pass on sprinklers .
07:40PM 20 I want to talk a little bit about
21 the electrical outlets . Can we do that now? One
22 of the other things the Staff wants us to have is
23 arc fault breakers .
24 Arc fault breakers are if you pull
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1 your plug out of the wall right there without
2 turning off your vacuum, your lamp, your electric
3 drill, it pops your breaker down in the basement .
4 Now, I know we ' ve been told that
07:41PM 5 they may have fixed them, but my last conversation
6 with Paul Zabel , who was our head of building and
7 zoning, said no, they ' re not , they still have the
8 problem.
9 You unplug -- You are vacuuming in
07:41PM 10 your house and your plug unplugs from the wall , it
11 creates an arc and it trips the breaker down in
12 your basement . If you are in your garage , using
13 your Shop Vac . If you ' re using your drill, the
14 armature of the drill will trip the arc fault
07:41PM 15 breakers . And that ' s one of the codes we had
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16 talked about wanting to adopt . Staff wants it ,
17 our committee said no, we don ' t think it ' s a good
18 idea .
19 First of all , they don ' t work right
07:41PM 20 yet, so why would we adopt it? Secondly, give it
21 some time . I ' m a firm believer of withstanding
22 the test of time . Let them work the bugs out . In
23 three years , we can re -- we can look at it again .
24 Let ' s not jump on the bandwagon and
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1 say oh, because some code committee propaganda
2 like this for our sprinklers says you ' ve got to do
3 it , Square D, who has lobbyists , says we should
4 spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars more on a
07:42PM 5 house besides the sprinklers to do this , I don ' t
6 think it ' s a good idea .
7 If somebody wants them, go ahead .
8 Right now they ' re currently required in bedrooms ,
9 but they want them every outlet in the house,
07:42PM 10 throughout the whole house, and it ' s -- it ' s
11 overkill , so . . .
12 Well , I said my two cents ' worth .
13 Thank you .
14 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Mr . Skinner .
07:42PM 15 Anybody else?
16 MR . DAAB : Good evening Mr . Mayor,
17 members of the Council, the Staff . My name is
18 Jake Daab . I am manager of land acquisition and
19 development for the PulteGroup . We are currently
07:43PM 20 building in two subdivisions in Yorkville, Autumn
21 Creek and Bristol Bay .
22 The previous others who spoke spoke
23 far more eloquently to the whole process , so I ' ll
24 get down to the brass tacks . Our purchasing
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1 department told me that adding sprinkler systems
2 to our existing product in Autumn Creek would add
3 at minimum $8 , 000 per house .
4 We stand to lose buyers on hundred
07:43PM 5 dollar increments . Right now we ' re less than two
6 sales a month in Autumn Creek, less than one a
7 month in Bristol Bay . Adding 7 , 000 plus , 8 , 000 , a
8 house could devastate our sales . You may not see
9 another sale in either one of those communities .
07:43PM 10 That ' s how fine the line we are in terms of our
11 profit margins and sales . In some instances we ' re
12 losing money .
13 So while I appreciate the spirit in
14 which the ordinance is intended, the bottom line
07:44PM 15 is our buyers in these communities cannot afford
16 an additional $ 8 , 000 a house, and we will lose
17 sales and the City of Yorkville will lose permit
18 dollars . It ' s that simple . Thank you .
19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you .
07:44PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Can I say
21 one more thing?
22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : After the young lady .
23 MS . DUBAJIC : I ' m Lynn Dubajic with
24 Yorkville Economic Development Corporation . As
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1 many of you know, I recently attended the
2 International Shopping Center Show in Las Vegas .
3 I had many meetings with retailers while I was
4 there, and the message that I received from them
07:44PM 5 was that retailers have certainly slowed down, and
6 we know how important commercial is to our
7 community, and the retailers are interested in
8 working with communities that have set the stage
9 for encouraging residential development .
07:44PM 10 They certainly understand that
11 residential development has slowed down; they also
12 know that new home sales are competing with
13 foreclosures and short sales that are out there in
14 the community, so they would like to see -- And
07:45PM 15 you are one of the finalists for a store , and we
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17 retailers .
18 They want to see our community as
19 being one that is encouraging residential
07:45PM 20 development , new rooftops , because we know that
21 that drives commercial , and adopting this portion
22 of the code would certainly be counter-productive
23 to sending that message to the retailers out there
24 that are looking at us .
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1 I also wanted to let you know that I
2 received a phone call today from Tim Dwyer, who
3 built seven homes in Yorkville last year and is on
4 task to build six homes on Yorkville this year .
07:45PM 5 He ' s in Colorado right now on a trip
6 with his family, but he wanted to let you know
7 that he felt that with certainty none of these 13
8 homes , the seven from last year or the six from
9 this year, would have been built if this policy
07:46PM 10 was in place . And he is a custom home builder as
11 well .
12 Also, I was a member of the building
13 code committee, and I also spoke with Adam Dontz
14 from Gladstone Builders , who is also a member, and
07:46PM 15 he also is unavailable -- not available to be here
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16 tonight , but he also wanted to let all of you
17 know, as I do, that we feel very strongly that we
18 worked hard, our committee worked hard, and we
19 hope that you take all of our recommendations to
07:46PM 20 heart and you move forward with this with not
21 adopting this portion of the code .
22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you .
23 MR . WEHRLI : Hi . My name is Ron Wehrli .
24 I own Crestview Builders . I am a developer in
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1 Kendall County . I ' ve done five subdivisions in
2 the area . I ' m also a builder, I ' ve built over
3 1700 homes in the last 30 years .
4 Like Bill said, you cannot put a
07:47PM 5 price on life , but smoke alarms do' -- do work .
6 We ' ve -- in 1700 homes , we ' ve not had one injury,
7 one death, related to fire .
8 In building out here, we took over a
9 subdivision here recently . I was a little
07:47PM 10 reluctant to do that , but there are a lot of good
11 people out here , I ' m from the area, so we went
12 ahead and did it .
13 Unfortunately in Yorkville the
14 permits alone are so high -- and I know you don ' t
07:47PM 15 want to hear this -- but Naperville ' s for the same
16 house is $8 , 000 , where I ' m paying $20 , 000 , so I ' m
17 12 , 000 down there to begin with .
18 I ' m not selling anything out here,
19 but I am in Naperville . They have a subdivision
07:47PM 20 and a new model here . And the permits have to be
21 looked at . Another issue another day, whatever,
22 but now you ' re adding another minimum 12 , 000 .
23 These figures the builders are giving are correct .
24 So now you ' re $25 , 000 to build in
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1 Yorkville . We haven ' t got one permit out of
2 Blackberry subdivision, we ' re too high, we ' re too
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3 high on permits , and if you throw this on top of
4 it , that will close down also .
07:48PM 5 I am building . I still have lots ,
6 there ' s homes going up . We ' re building in
7 Naperville, Plainfield, Kendall County . Haven ' t
8 sold one in Yorkville . You ' re too high on your
9 permits . You don ' t want to hear it, but that ' s
07:48PM 10 what ' s going to get rooftops in here . And then if
11 you throw this on top of it . . .
12 We were also grandfathered in
13 Blackberry where I saw this coming and we -- we
14 had it in writing that , you know, we would not be
07:48PM 15 getting smoke alarms in there .
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16 So talking about a lawsuit waiting
17 to happen . Not threatening, but you guys did give
18 us that deal . How can you do that for us and not
19 everybody else? It ' s going to be a mess .
07:48PM 20 But the bottom line is you want
21 people to come in here from other communities .
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23 they ' re low on their permits . I have yet to see
24 Yorkville do anything about this , and it ' s a
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1 shame . That ' s all I have to say . Thank you .
2 (Enter Alderman Munns . )
3 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you .
4 MR . KLERONOMOS : My name is Angelo
07:49PM 5 Kleronomos . I am president of Property Concepts .
6 We have offices in Oswego . Over the last
7 37 years , we built in excess of 4 , 000 dwelling
8 units .
9 Unlike Bill, I did have a few
07:49PM 10 requests about the sprinkler systems , and when we
11 priced them out as an option, no one -- no one
12 took the option .
13 The film we saw is very compelling .
14 You have 5 , 000 homes in Yorkville right now, some
07:49PM 15 of those homes were built 50 , 70 years ago .
16 Certainly now with the materials available today,
17 with the direct wire smoke detector systems that
18 are available today, those homes may be more in
19 need of a sprinkler system than new homes we ' re
07:49PM 20 building today .
21 Will you require that to all the
22 existing homeowners in your community, in those
23 5 , 000 homes? I don ' t think so . I -- you know, as
24 I said, the film was very compelling, but in this
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1 market , in this time, I think it would be a hard
2 sell . I think you would see permits just drop off
3 to nothing in Yorkville .
4 You have communities around you that
07:50PM 5 are not adopting this type of an ordinance, and
6 that ' s not to say that life safety isn ' t an
7 important issue, but they also recognize the fact
8 that they have to keep their communities moving
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07:50PM 10 I think the codes that you have in
11 place need to be enforced, not just in new home
12 construction, but in existing homes , and that ' s a
13 whole -- whole other area .
14 To close, in the 4 , 000 dwelling
07:50PM 15 units that we built over 37 years , we never had a
16 fire that took a life . Most of those homes
17 complied with local building codes and fire codes
18 and had smoke detectors and alarm systems in them .
19 I think, you know, you ' ve got --
07:50PM 20 you ' ve got a good plan, but I think this is
21 just -- it ' s reaching . It ' s going -- it ' s going
22 to price homes out of the market . Thank you .
23 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you .
24 MR . NEYER : Good evening . My name is
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1 Gary Neyer . I work for Marker, Inc . We ' ve
2 developed two subdivisions in Yorkville of
3 approximately a total of 500 lots . We sell to
4 local builders .
07:51PM 5 I think it ' s important as a
6 governing body that you look at the big picture
7 here . Mr . Wehrli spoke well about all the costs
8 involved in not only building a home, but
9 developing a project as well .
07:51PM 10 Please don ' t focus on just the issue
11 of fire sprinklers . When you ' re updating your
12 codes , you ' ve got the cost of the electrical
13 upgrades that are required, you ' re going to now
14 enforce the 2009 Energy Code . Keep in mind the
07:52PM 15 additional costs that that ' s going to bring to
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16 building a single family home, and to all those
17 costs, please keep in mind the fee increases that
18 have taken place say in the last five to
19 six years .
07:52PM 20 All told, the price of a new home in
21 Yorkville needs to be competitive with the
22 surrounding communities . I ' m not here to tell you
23 that sprinkler systems are a bad thing, but if
24 they ' re a good thing, why do we have to be on the
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1 cutting edge of requiring those systems when the
2 communities around us are not?
3 You will have -- If you adopt these
-- 4 codes verbatim, you will have the best, most
07:52PM 5 recent codes and absolutely no homes to be built
6 underneath them because no one can afford them to
7 be built . Thank you .
8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone
9 else?
07:53PM 10 MR . LINK : My name is Jeff Link and I ' ve
11 lived in Yorkville for 18 years . I ' m just talking
12 from a banking perspective . Somebody had
13 mentioned about the appraisal issues .
14 I ' m in the mortgage business and
07:53PM 15 I ' ve been doing it for 22 years . We have
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16 appraisal issues as it is getting values in, as
17 you ' re probably aware . Values have been dropping .
18 Somebody who would be paying for
- 19 sprinkler systems would have to be pretty much
07:53PM 20 paid completely out of their pocket because they
21 wouldn ' t qualify in their mortgage if they came
22 for a mortgage .
23 We ' re having a lot of people right
24 now that are having a hard time, granted, new
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1 construction and existing just getting values to
2 be where they are . If they ' re spending $15 , 000 or
3 even ten, they ' re not going to exceed the value of
4 the appraisal, so from an underwriting standpoint ,
07:53PM 5 it ' s just not going to happen, and we ' re having a
6 hard enough time getting new starts in Yorkville
7 as it is and people are going right now -- from
8 what I ' m seeing anyway, are going FHA with two and
9 a half percent down, three and a half percent
07:54PM 10 down, so I don ' t know who is going to be able to
11 afford these sprinklers systems . It ' s not an
12 option . That ' s all I have to say on that from a
13 banking perspective .
14 Appraisals are huge issues right
f 07:54PM 15 now . We ' re having a hard time getting values to
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17 it ' s hard enough as you know, with all the
18 foreclosures that going on . So thank you .
19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Anyone else
07:54PM 20 who hasn ' t spoken yet? Jeremy, do you want to add
21 something else?
22 MR . CANAVAN : Yeah . I just wanted to
23 address some of the things that was brought up .
24 Nowhere in the code requires you to upgrade your
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1 water service, so the existing water service is
2 fine . It ' s a design issue .
3 The chief ' s house we had to upgrade
4 because of the types of sprinkler heads he used .
07:54PM 5 They were on the market for less than a month . So
6 now they ' ve been on the market for a little while
7 longer, they ' ve been able to design it
8 differently, so upgrading the water service is not
9 an issue .
07:55PM 10 As far as dry systems in a house,
11 it ' s not in the code and it doesn ' t make any
12 sense, so that should be a non-issue .
13 Glycol is no longer allowed in
14 residential fire sprinklers , so that shouldn ' t be
07:55PM 15 an issue either .
16 As far as maintenance , the code
17 itself does not require annual testing of your
18 fire -- residential fire sprinklers . The plumbing
19 code asks that you test your backflow preventer,
07:55PM 20 and what Bristol Bay is doing is they ' re putting
21 that in their HOA so the whole community is paying
22 for that, for the backflow preventer price .
23 You know, P2904 , which is the
24 residential fire code in the IRC, is a minimum
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1 code, so any time you lessen that code, like I
2 said earlier, you ' re setting yourself up for a
3 lawsuit . Any time you have a loss -- and maybe
4 the City attorney can help -- you know, if you
07:56PM 5 have a loss -- No?
6 MS . ORR : No .
7 MR . CANAVAN : Okay . So you can make a
8 code less stringent --
9 MS . ORR: Yes .
07:56PM 10 MR. CANAVAN : -- and there is no
11 legal --
12 MS . ORR: No .
13 MR . CANAVAN : Okay . Okay . Well , I
14 think I would disagree with that, but you ' re the
07:56PM 15 attorney and I ' m not , so . . .
16 You know, the thing is , you know, if
17 you build a house less than the national minimum
18 and we have a fire death and we have a significant
19 loss , who are they going to look for? I mean,
07:56PM 20 they ' re going to look for the city council that
21 made that code less stringent .
22 So look for your experiences . I
23 know some of you have seen demonstrations , I know
24 some of you have homes that have fire sprinklers .
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1 We ' ve even had an alderman that started a fire for
2 us for a demonstration, so, you know, I would just
3 beg that you don ' t make the code less stringent .
4 And I think all these builders here,
07:57PM 5 I mean, they have so much experience, so much
6 dedication to the community, and so do I , and
7 it ' s -- this fight -- or I shouldn ' t say fight .
8 This debate hasn ' t started here and it won ' t end
9 here .
07:57PM 10 It ' s already in the 2012 codes , and
11 those codes are developed by building officials
12 and firefighters and contractors and all people
13 from all walks of life that are developing these
14 codes , so I just hope you look at that , and, you
07:57PM 15 know, if there is anything that you need from me
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17 this room, I have an open door, so, please, I ' m
18 here to serve . So that ' s it . Thank you .
19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . All right .
07:57PM 20 The City Council is going to have a chance to
21 discuss this when it comes back to us , but -- All
22 right , someone else?
23 MR . MICHAELS : Excuse me . I ' m Sean
24 Michaels , I am employed at McCue Builders .
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1 Not to argue with Jeremy, but the
2 way you look at the line service going into a home
3 is based on the number of fixtures , and with the
4 size homes that we ' re building in Yorkville, we ' re
07:58PM 5 very close in needing to increase the water line
6 size, but then you start adding a sprinkler
7 system, that could justify a larger sprinkler --
8 or a larger water line .
9 One thing I ' d like to point out
07:58PM 10 is -- Billy didn ' t mention it , but he did lose a
11 family member to a fire, and so if anybody has
12 personal experience, he does , and for him to be
13 arguing against a sprinkler system I think tells
14 you that, you know, he ' s seen both side's of it and
07:58PM 15 can tell you personally how it ' s affected his
16 family .
17 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you, Sean . Okay,
18 anyone else from the audience on the building code
19 update?
07:58PM 20 MR . McCUE : Since Jeremy went up, there
21 twice, I ' m coming up twice .
22 One thing that I did forget to
23 mention is , you know, we can go on all day, but
24 you talk about the people that make up the codes
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1 that we follow, you know, if they ' re looking at
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3 no cost involved in their decision, then, you
4 know, we ' re going to be here in five years and
07:59PM 5 fighting people because they ' re going to want
6 elevators in homes . I mean, where is it going to
7 end?
8 I mean, someone told me that you ' ve
9 got four -- four to five times better of dying
07:59PM 10 from falling in an accident than dying in a fire,
11 and this is what I was told at the Northern
12 Illinois Home Builders ' meeting .
13 You know, tell us we can ' t build
14 two-story homes , you know, we can ' t put basements
07:59PM 15 in, no stairs . I mean, where is it going to end?
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16 You ' ve heard from other builders
17 that , you know, there hasn ' t been a death in a new
18 home , and, you know, I didn ' t want to bring it up,
19 but yes , my sister lost an 18-month old baby in a
08 OOPM 20 fire with a three-year old.
21 It was about an 800-square foot
22 home , two bedrooms upstairs , two -- two rooms on
23 the first floor, but the smoke detector wasn ' t
24 even -- there was no smoke detector .
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1 You know, she was sitting on the
2 front porch, so, you know, a smoke detector, a
3 working smoke detector would have saved their
4 life, and that ' s what you hear all the time, is
08:OOPM 5 what smoke detectors do, and, if anything, I ' m all
6 for adding work, but thank you, and I guess I can
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8 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you . Again, I
9 was going to say, we can talk now, we ' re going to
08:OOPM 10 discuss this again when it comes back to us , but
11 right now is a good opportunity because we have
12 all these experts here , so open it up to Council
13 if we have questions and comments , but , like I
14 said, we ' ll be coming back to it .
08:OOPM 15 ALDERMAN SPEARS : I just want to say
16 that I also served on that committee, and the
17 majority of people that were on that committee
18 were builders or had something -- they were
19 directly involved with the home builders '
08:01PM 20 industry, and I just wanted to address some of the
21 information that we received .
-- 22 If the chief ' s house cost $ 6, 500 to
23 put in a state-of-the-art sprinkler system, I
24 mean, he even had the heads that were -- matched
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1 furniture and it was just beautiful . He went
2 above and beyond what most people would do .
3 But , yet Mr . McCue is quoting us a
4 price of 10 , 000 to 15 , 000 , and to me that ' s quite
08:oiPM 5 a difference . We have the actual price that --
6 Mr . McCue built the house and that was the actual
7 figure , and we had the police chief confirm that ,
8 number one .
9 The other thing is at the beginning
08:01PM 10 of this committee when we all met , we did have one
11 representative from the Northern Homes Building
12 Association, and he was talking about a home that
13 he built, I believe it was in Downers Grove , and
14 he ended up quoting a very, very extremely high
08:02PM 15 figure for a sprinkler system, and he brought in a
16 quote from a manufacturer of the sprinkler system,
17 and we questioned where the other request for bids
18 were and he said, oh, no, he only got one , which I
19 kind of doubt if anybody only gets one quote if
08:02PM 20 they ' re really trying to cut costs .
21 And then the chief also questioned
-- 22 him and reviewed the quote that he brought in, and
23 I believe he had copper piping and things that
24 weren ' t necessary, very, very expensive items on
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1 this quote, so we kind of, you know, threw that
2 one out the window .
3 And I just want to address some of
4 the information that we received . Oh, Mr . McCue
08:03PM 5 also said that he didn ' t have one person that --
6 and he is a custom builder, a very good builder,
7 but he never had one person that requested the
8 sprinkler system, never asked for that , and after
9 him speaking, I think if somebody did say, you
08:03PM 10 know, what do you think about the sprinkler
11 system, and I think his response definitely would
12 be all negative , and, therefore , they wouldn ' t
13 want a sprinkler system, and I can understand
14 that .
08:03PM 15 MR . McCUE : Do you want me to give you
16 what I think?
17 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Not yet .
18 MR . McCUE : Okay .
19 ALDERMAN SPEARS : You ' ll get your turn
08:03PM 20 again I ' m sure . Fire alarm system, you also
21 quoted that you would have to have a fire alarm
22 system with a sprinkler system for -- Those were
23 your words . We have that on tape .
24 MR . McCUE : I didn ' t say you have to,
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1 you should .
2 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Well , you said --
3 MR . McCUE : Jeremy told me that .
4 ALDERMAN SPEARS : -- the insurance
08:04PM 5 company would not honor one without the other, and
6 I worked for an insurance company and I never
7 heard that . Never .
8 MR . McCUE : We heard that in a meeting
9 time after time from Jeremy .
08:04PM 10 ALDERMAN MUNNS : This is a public
11 comment , not a debate, right ?
12 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Right . Right . So hold
13 the comments , please .
14 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Okay . Let ' s see . Oh,
08:04PM 15 and the big issue was the arc fault breakers . We
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16 also had two experts in this meeting, I mean, we
17 just -- it was educational, and they were two
18 experts , I believe -- and, Krysti, you can help me
19 with this -- one was teaching at --
08:04PM 20 MS . NOBLE : Yes . One was a licensed
21 electrical worker and did teach for a local
22 community, as well as installed, and the one was a
23 building commissioner .
24 ALDERMAN SPEARS : And after all the
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1 debate with the builders and these two gentlemen,
2 it was just educational for all of us , I just
3 asked them upfront , if you were building a home
4 today, would you have these arc fault breakers in
08:05PM 5 your own personal home, and both of them replied
6 immediately yes , we would, that is the way to go .
7 So, again, my opinion with serving
8 on this committee is a lot of the objections were
9 based on costs , and I can understand that, but
08:05PM 10 serving on this Council as many years as I have,
11 most of the years I was on the Public Safety
12 Committee and I -- again, you cannot put a price
13 on a life , and if you just save one life with a
14 sprinkler system, to me it ' s well worth it .
08:05PM 15 Autumn Creek, the gentleman from
16 Autumn Creek I believe said that we ' re going to
17 lose sales because you can ' t afford it and that ' s
18 what your people had told you, and I can
19 understand that , but also -- and I ' m going to look
08:06PM 20 it up again, I didn ' t bring the documents with
21 me -- but Autumn Creek I believe advertises in
22 another state that they have the sprinkler systems
23 and things like that in their homes . Don ' t quote
24 me on that until I bring the document in .
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1 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well , I ' m
2 sure we do .
3 ALDERMAN SPEARS : Okay . But, I mean,
4 that was your big selling point , and a lot of
08:06PM 5 people were I ' m sure building with that in mind
6 because Pulte --
7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER : Because
8 they ' re required by code there , new sales --
9 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Can I say
08:06PM 10 something?
11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : No, hold on . Hold on,
12 guys . All right . Keep your comments from the
13 floor . If you want to be recognized, you can
14 after Rose is done , please .
08:06PM 15 ALDERMAN SPEARS : And I just have a few
16 more . We have been getting some builders in here
17 and developers that were complaining about our
18 permit fees being too high and we should do
19 something with that at this time, and I think that
08:07PM 20 we made some deals with some people .
21 I believe in Blackberry we had
22 special things going on there, we granted them
23 certain things and they were supposed to be
24 building and it ' s not happening, and we had a
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1 gentleman here from Marker that said keep in mind
2 that the city is adding the 2009 energy code .
3 Well , it ' s not our decision . That ' s
4 state mandated . You all have to abide by that , no
08:07PM 5 matter where you are in the state , whether it ' s
6 Yorkville or not , so I don ' t think we can use that
7 as a debate .
8 And again, we had Property Concepts
9 indicate that, well , he believes that code should
08:07PM 10 be enforced also in all existing homes , and I
11 would totally agree with that, and I think every
12 builder that has built that home should go back
13 and reconstruct it all .
14 It should be up to the builders
08:08PM 15 then, if you ' re going to throw it into the City,
16 and let you handle the expense, because I think
17 that ' s a great idea and I ' d love to see that in
18 all your homes , and mine as well, and I think that
19 may be it . That ' s all I have .
08:08PM 20 MAYOR GOLINSKI : George?
21 ALDERMAN GILSON : I want to speak
22 towards the flip side of Rose ' s opinion . I agree
23 with the majority of the comments out in the -- in
24 this meeting .
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1 I was also at the demonstration
2 where they showed -- you know, where they lit the
3 fire and they show what sprinklers can do, and I
4 guess I ' d like to go through some of this and talk
08:08PM 5 about some of the things that they hit on and
6 maybe expound on them a little more .
7 First of all , upsizing a line from
8 one inch to an inch and a quarter or inch and a
9 half is overkill for a home . A standard home
08:09PM 10 nowadays uses ten gallons per minute , okay? Ten
11 gallons per minute is plenty of water for a home .
12 So to mandate that we in these codes
13 talk about inch and a quarter or inch and a half
14 being new standard for water service line, there
08:09PM 15 is a cost to that, and that cost not only falls
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17 We ' ve got -- And I know because I ' m
18 in the industry . Our company makes products for
19 that . There ' s a huge cost to go from one inch to
08:09PM 20 inch and a quarter to inch and a half . So not
21 only are we putting the cost on the home builders ,
22 we ' re putting the cost on the residents . Then
23 we ' re going to put a cost on our own city council
24 to purchase materials and things to adapt to those
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1 new sizes . That ' s the number one thing that we
2 need to keep in check .
3 The other thing that we need to talk
4 about in here is some of this -- the things about
08:09PM 5 maintenance, backflow protection . I know backflow
6 protectors , I know RPZs , I know double checks , I
7 know dual checks .
8 The minimum that needs to be put in
9 for these things is a double check or an RPZ .
08:10PM 10 Those are very expensive , number one, so that
11 expense once again is going to fall upon the
12 homeowner . Okay?
13 The other thing that is going to be
14 an ongoing expense annually, which I mentioned in
08:1OPM 15 the meeting, is that backflow protection has to
16 be -- it has to be inspected and it has to be
17 maintained and eventually it will have to be
18 replaced.
19 That is going to cost somewhere ,
08:10PM 20 roundabouts , a hundred dollars a year directly out
21 of the homeowner ' s pocket to have that mandate put
22 on them, and I just don ' t think it ' s a good time
23 to do that . I just think that ' s -- I don ' t think
24 it ' s a wise decision to move forward with that .
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1 Just bear with me a minute . We
2 talked about the cost of what it ' s going to add to
3 a home and, I mean, let ' s take conservatively
4 $5, 000 to the price of a new home . I know my
08:11PM 5 home, I ' ve lost equity like crazy . My home is
6 probably worth what I bought it for now .
7 To put $5 , 000 more onto the cost of
8 a new home when people are trying to figure out
9 how they ' re going to -- how they ' re going to
08:11PM 10 preserve or get back to their nest egg which they
11 thought they purchased, I just don ' t think that is
12 something we should move forward, and like I said,
13 I 'm being conservative at $5 , 000 . I ' m hearing 10 ,
14 12 , whatever it maybe .
08:11PM 15 I just don ' t think we should add
16 that cost and put that burden on the home builders
17 and the homeowners and people that already have
18 homes that have lost value . It ' s just something I
19 just don ' t see a sense in doing right now .
08:12PM 20 Just bear with me . I mean, at the
21 time to discuss this all amongst Council, I ' ll go
22 through this code by code, but I just think what
23 they ' re saying is very accurate .
24 I do see the value in what we saw
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1 out there, but I just think -- I agree with the
2 fact that the smoke detectors are what ' s going to
3 save the lives , and I think that going forward
4 this is just a bad idea, so to keep it brief and
08:12PM 5 not discuss all these individually, it will come
6 time, but if you look around, Rose, and if you
7 look at some of the ones in the building code
8 inquiry where they list the cities , one , two,
9 three, four, five, six, seven, eight , nine, ten,
08:12PM 10 11 , 12 out of one, two, three, four, five, six,
11 seven, eight, nine, ten -- wait . One, two, three ,
12 four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 11 , 12 .
13 12 of them out of all the ones listed, which were
14 the majority, have not adopted this , and there is
08:13PM 15 a reason for that .
16 The reason for that is it ' s not
17 going to help to promote growth here, it ' s not
18 going to help with home values , it ' s not going to
19 help with cost to the homeowners , it ' s not going
08:13PM 20 to help with cost to the home builders .
21 I just think it ' s -- There is a
22 reason why there is a heavy debate to this , and I
23 -- and I know not just from a debate amongst
24 residents , but a debate amongst cities .
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1 I mean, I call on cities , I talk to
2 public works departments . I know there is a big
3 debate on what that costs and what those mandates
4 are going to do to them, so it ' s something to
08:13PM 5 consider when we discuss this further . I
6 appreciate the time .
7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Any other comments
8 during the public hearing from the Council?
9 MS . NOBLE : Staff has -- would like to
08:13PM 10 make a comment, a point of clarification on this .
11 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Do you want to do it
12 now or do you want to let this gentleman speak
13 first?
14 MS . NOBLE : That ' s fine .
15 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay, go ahead, and
16 then, Krysti , we ' re going to move on .
17 MR. WEHRLI : I would just like to
18 address what Rose said . She compared the chief ' s
19 house at 6500 . I thought I heard that that was a
08:14PM 20 2100 square foot ranch . If you do a two-story,
21 3500 square foot two-story, common sense is it ' s
22 going to be close to double that .
23 But the actual prices are 12 to
24 15 , 000 on a good sized home, and this may not be
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1 the time to bring this back up again, but you were
2 saying there was relief from permits . There are
3 none .
4 We came in here and there were
08:19PM 5 $20 , 000 . In Council right here you voted to take
6 off the road impact fee of 2 , 000 . That brought it
7 down to 18 , 000 , which was not near enough what
8 other communities are doing .
9 Then, then when it came time to sign
08:14PM 10 the papers , they put it back in that I have to put
11 that road back in anyway, so I got no relief on
12 that . That ' s for another subject .
13 But we have gotten no relief, and
14 I 'm doing about ten houses right now, not one in
08:15PM 15 Yorkville . Kendall County, I am building in the
16 county, I ' m building in Naperville .
17 For $25 , 000 , people are not going to
18 come to Yorkville when they have other choices .
19 It ' s a great community and that ' s why we bought in
o8:15PM 20 here , but you ' re killing yourselves .
21 And if you think these permits
22 aren ' t hurting, and now you throw this on top, the
23 rooftops aren ' t coming, and I would be glad to
24 sell our subdivision we took over to you . You
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1 people -- Not you people . It ' s very hard to work
2 with some of these figures you ' re throwing out
3 here . They ' re just not realistic . Thank you .
4 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Thank you .
5 MR . McCUE : I just want to answer Rose ' s
6 question .
7 MAYOR GOLINSKI : No, we ' re going to move
8 on, Bill .
9 MR . McCUE : Okay .
08:15PM 10 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Krysti , why don ' t you
11 finish up and then --
12 MS . NOBLE : Okay .
13 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Because we have a long
14 agenda here and I think we ' ve pretty much had
08:15PM 15 everything, right?
16 MS . NOBLE : Sure . Just a clarification
17 on Staff ' s recommendation. The water sizing is
18 not based upon the fire suppression system, it ' s
19 based upon the Illinois State Plumbing Code, which
08:16PM 20 we have in force, and the one and a half inch pipe
21 has been implemented in a lot of communities
22 because -- it ' s to accommodate the 34 fixture
23 units that would trigger a one and a half, you
24 know, service line, so that has no relation to
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1 fire suppression system. That ' s one thing .
2 Another thing, that NEC -- Staff is
3 recommending the 2008 . You can take out the arc
4 fault requirement . The reason why Staff is going
08:16PM 5 with the 2008 is because it ' s compatible with the
6 2009 International codes .
7 There was a recommendation for the
8 2005 , sight unseen, Staff had reviewed it in
9 comparison with the 2009 standard . They ' re not
08:16PM 10 going to have the building code updated, that ' s
11 why we ' re going with the 2008 .
12 With the requirement for fire
13 suppression system, it does not have to be enacted
14 now . You can -- you can approve it and set out a
08:16PM 15 date . If you look, most of our communities that
16 are being built , our subdivisions , have fee and
17 building code locks . Blackberry Woods , they have
18 a building code lock, they still build to the 2000
19 standard until 2018 . Autumn Creek has a building
08:17PM 20 code lock to 2015 . Bristol Bay, 2018 .
21 A lot of these builders who build
22 and have subdivisions do have fee locks , so it
23 really wouldn ' t affect, if this code was adopted,
24 any of those major builders that are still
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1 building, the same as Pulte, right now . It would
2 not affect them now because they have code locks .
3 This is something as the community
4 development director is charged with over the
I 08:17PM 5 building department with life safety issues , far
6 beyond the construction of a home, once a builder
7 is gone, but for our residents who continue to
8 stay here , and these are why the recommendations
9 were made .
08:17PM 10 ALDERMAN GILSON : Gary, just one
11 question and maybe a clarification from Krysti .
12 The majority of communities around here -- and I ' d
13 venture to say across the country because I ' m in
14 the industry -- are not mandating that homes
08:18PM 15 require inch and a quarter, inch and a half lines ,
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17 because I -- I call on them. I know that , so, you
18 know, we can talk about whether it ' s relational to
-- 19 fire sprinklers or not , but they ' re just not ,
08:18PM 20 they ' re not accepting it because it doesn ' t --
21 it ' s way overkill and it ' s burdensome, and that ' s
22 just something to think about .
23 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Where does this go
24 next, Bart? Do we have to send this back to
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1 committee for discussion or -- I guess I could ask
2 Council , where do we want this to go next?
3 It seems like there is still a lot
4 of discussion that needs to go on with this , and
08:18PM 5, it ' s probably best done on a committee level .
6 MR . OLSON : The EDC has already reviewed
7 the individual Staff recommendations and that ' s
8 how it got to public hearing . Did we have a
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08:18PM 10 from here?
11 MS . NOBLE : Yes . Staff ' s recommendation
12 from the Building Code Update Committee, we have
- 13 our recommendations , EDC ' s, City Council has the
14 opportunity after the public hearing to vote on
08:19PM 15 it .
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16 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Well --
17 MR . OLSON : So the choice is yours .
18 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay then . Let ' s bring
19 it back here in two weeks and then we ' ll be
08:19PM 20 prepared to discuss it and --
21 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : May I ask a
22 question? When we vote on this , are we voting on
23 each individual code separately? We ' re not just
24 saying here is the updates , yea or nay, right?
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1 I mean, we ' re going to go through
2 the conservation code, we ' re going to go into the
3 electrical code?
4 MS . NOBLE : Correct .
08:19PM 5 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : And then the other
6 issue I had was there are several of the
7 communities that have not adopted -- a lot of the
8 communities that have not even adopted the energy
9 code, which is obviously required by the State of
08:19PM 10 Illinois , which -- don ' t get me started on
11 requirements by the State of Illinois .
12 So the concern I have -- the
13 question I have was what if we don ' t adopt the
14 energy codes? I mean, if they ' re required, why
08:19PM 15 don ' t they just pass a state law that says this is
16 the law and --
17 MS . NOBLE : They have .
18 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : So why do we have to
19 adopt them?
08:19PM 20 MS . NOBLE : Because we have to have them
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22 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : So my question is
23 what happens if we don ' t adopt it? Won ' t pay our
24 bills .
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1 MS . NOBLE : I mean, when it comes to our
2 plan reviewer, our plan reviewer would look at our
3 codes , and if it ' s not in our code , it would be
4 hard for them, if a developer challenges it , to
08:20PM 5 enforce , even though they can go back to the
6 state, lean back on the state code . It is easier
7 enforcement-wise if we adopt it and have it in our
8 code .
9 ALDERMAN COLOSIMO : Well , just to make
08:20PM 10 my position clear on the sprinkler issue, I don ' t
11 think we need to put the additional burden on the
12 homeowner .
13 I won ' t vote for a code that has a
14 requirement for a sprinkler for a residential
08:20PM 15 property . I haven ' t heard any compelling reason
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16 why I should change my vote .
17 So if the code comes back to us
18 written in any way, shape or form that residential
19 sprinklers are required, even at a future date, I
08:20PM 20 would vote against it , so that ' s just where I
21 stand so everybody knows .
22 The very fact that we have some of
23 these subdivisions locked in on the old code ' til
24 2018 , just tells me that the old code is fine . I
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1 mean, the houses aren ' t falling apart , the houses
2 aren ' t blowing up, the houses aren ' t burning down .
3 Sometimes I think we do change for
4 change sake, and I ' m glad that this was reviewed,
08:21PM 5 because it needs to be reviewed, but I don ' t think
6 that sometimes we just need to change for change
7 sake .
8 So I ' ll look at the final drafts
9 from whatever you guys come up with and vote
08:21PM 10 accordingly, but I would like to vote on each one
11 individually obviously, and that ' s where we stand .
12 ALDERMAN GILSON : And we may want to
13 make our packet like that because if we ' re going
14 to do that and vote on each individual code , we ' re
08:21PM 15 also going to have to vote on each individual
16 suggestion for amendment to different components
17 of those sections and it can make for a long
18 meeting, so just a suggestion .
19 MAYOR GOLINSKI : Okay then .
08:21PM 20 MS . ORR : Maybe we should have a special
21 meeting to do that .
22 MAYOR GOLINSKI : We could . Okay . We ' ll
23 toss that idea around .
24 But other than that , we ' re going to
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Please note the followin g changes on tonight's bill list:
Page 1 of the bill list—WMSY Properties check amount has been changed from $130,000 to
$6,400.
Page 17 of the bill list—Big Ben Builders check amount has been changed from $596.70 to
$569.70.
As a result of these corrections, the bill list total for tonight's meeting has been reduced from
$544,298.47 to $420,671.47.