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Plan Council Meeting Minutes
City Hall Conference Room
Thursday, February 11, 2004
9:30 AM
Attendees:
City Administrator Tony Graff Mike Schoppe—Schoppe Design
Planning Coordinator Anna Kurtzman Tim Fairfield- BKFD
City Engineer Joe Wywrot Sergeant Ron Diederich
Ex. Director Parks &Recreation Laura Brown
Guests:
Marvin DeLahr—Fox Hill Pete Huinker—Fox Hill
Minutes
1) January 8 —on page 2 under Preliminary Plan Presentation, change wording"Plan
Commission recommended approval"to wording to reflect that the plan
commission's consensus was that the Preliminary Plans for neighborhoods #6-#16
be approved. There was no formal action taken.
2) January 22, 2004—on page 2 under Roadway Stub, change "on lot to the north
(not east as stated) in order to improve".
PC 2001-16 Fox Hill POD 10—Preliminary Plan
Mr. Graff stated that at the Plan Commission meeting on February 11, the Commission
by 9-1 voted down the request for rezoning of the petitioner's request to R-4. Mike
Schoppe stated that concerns voiced expressed prior to the voting were primarily
sensitivity to current residents that the lots would remain zoned R-2, and not be
considered to a change to R-4(multifamily).
Engineering review
1) Clarify plat—comments of initial plans submitted Dec. 23, 2003. The residential
portion of the plat is zoned for R-4 and this needs to be stated on the plat, and
identified in the PUD amendment(requiring 15,000 SF lots with 100' lot width,
30' side yards and 40' rear yards).
2) The storm water basin and floodplain is an issue, because the lots, as stated by
Tony Graff, are extended all the way through to the property line. The
recommendation is that their would be separate lots to discourage residents from
using these areas as part of their own lawns, with shed and lawn furniture there,
as well as additional grading that may be performed. The city wishes to keep
ownership out of the flood plain.
3) Joe Wywrot commented that he is concerned with the functionality of the pond
with the floodplains elevations as stated. In addition the timing of the work to be
done will need to be taken into consideration and will need to be re-addressed as
the Fox Hill proposed project progresses.
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4) The trail to the pedestrian bridge leading from Fox Hill Lane towards Rob Roy
Creek, along the north boundary, is not shown on the plan. Tony Graff would
like to see a connection to the current B-3 that is currently owned by another
property owner, or in the least an easement. Mr. Huinker suggested they would
show an easement, along the detention basin, and keep it out of the floodplain.
Mike Schoppe states the bike trail would be in the floodplain, and providing a
"city access easement", and the flexibility to put the bike trail within the
easement.
5) Tony Graff stated the city is asking for a 15' foot access easement on Eldamain
Road, with language stating it will be coordinated when Eldamain Rd. is
redesigned.
6) Tony Graff stated that the city is requesting an easement for the public sidewalk
along the Eldamain Rd. frontage, for plat purposes. He needs direction from the
Council on the legality and language as to who might construct the sidewalk, and
will be a part of the rezoning negotiations.
7) Joe Wywrot confirmed that the water main layout on the new plans had been
revised. He addressed a need to confirm that the alignment with Lakewood
Springs is included. Fran Klaas, Kendall Co. Highway Department, okayed the
access point, per a letter received by Tony Graff.
8) Joe Wywrot stated that Deuchler has okayed the move of the lift station to the
south end,with minor changes on the resubmittal.
Landscaping
1) Mike Schoppe indicates that a berm needs to be shown along Eldamain Road.
Presently there is only grading shown. Anna Kurtzman stated that a minimum of
25' is needed for the easement, which would be inclusive of the 15' rail/sidewalk.
2) In the new subdivision revision, the medians are to be a part of the public right of
way, per Dan Kramer's determination.
Fire Department -BKFD
1) Tim Fairfield shared his concern that some of the buildings in the plan are farther
than the city's standard of 150' from a roadway. Mr. Fairfield said it would be
extremely difficult to fight a fire, that they would be fighting from the street.
The southernmost building is of the utmost concern, and he stated that the fire
department would need a cut in the berm for equipment, in order that they not
fight the fire from Eldamain Rd. Mike Schoppe suggested that the developer
may want to consider moving the cluster counterclockwise, but Mr. Fairfield was
not favorable to that suggestion. He suggests a stub turnaround at the end of the
street for fire trucks to pass through. Typically, for this type of development,
when the City street dead ends on a property line, the City does a flare out—
hammerhead with a full right of way. Mr. Dresden suggested they could
redesign a hammer head.
2) Mr. Graff and Tim Fairfield said that perhaps the City needed to address,
internally, some additional regulations and standards for proposed multi-family
housing. One possibility would be additional fire stopping. Anna Kurtzman and
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Bill Dettmer will be addressing a section in the PUD amendment regarding fire
codes.
3) Mike Schoppe stated he would consider redesigning with an opening in the berm,
and would consider this, once the Council has taken action on the plan.
4) Another concern voiced was the watermain layout, which will be revised. This is
going to be a central pressure zone, with mains, originally 8"now to be 16".
Parks & Recreation
1) Laura Brown suggested in the landscape plan that she would need to see the
pedestrian bridge connected. Mike Schoppe is not certain if the landscaping will
be applicable in the new landscape ordinance. Tony Graff suggested that the
more detailed landscaping could be a part of the negotiation process for the
rezoning PUD amendment.
Comments regarding commercial lighting and headlights were also expressed by the
residents east of the proposed development. Suggestions were evergreens along the back
end of the current development, and implementation of the night sky standard. The
police department will need to be included in preliminary landscape reviews.
If the City Council recommendations are favorable for the plan, Fox Hill will be
rescheduled at a Plan Council meeting before they go to Plan Commission. The EDC
zoning PUD amendment is on the agenda for Thursday, February 19, 2004. Fox Hill will
not resubmit until they have received policy direction.
Tony Graff did ask the developer to bring some design standards, with street scapes and
elevations before the EDC meeting.
Additional business
Tony Graff asked the members of Plan Council to review the draft of the pollution
control facility siting ordinance and have their comments to him by Tuesday, February
17, for review by John Watson.
Meeting adjourned at 10:40 AM.
Respectfully submitted,
Annette Williams