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Plan Council Minutes 2002 01-24-02 r UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE Committee Minutes - Plan Council January 24, 2002 Meeting Location: 800 Game Farm Time Convened: 9:34 a.m. Time Adjourned: 12:20 a.m. Attendees: Joe Wywrot - City Engineer Tony Graff- City Administrator Harold Martin - Chief of Police Eric Dhuse - Public Works Director Mike Schoppe - Schoppe Design Tim Fairfield - BKFPD EMS Ralph Pfister - YBSD Lynn Dubajic - YEDC Bill Dettmer - Building Official Gary Williams - Building Department Bill Zalewski - Engineer Jacob & Hefner Richard Guerard - Wyndham Deerpnt Dave Waden - LPS Land Planning Mary Kasner - Wyndham Deerpoint Richard Marker - Richard Marker & Assoc. Clayton Marker - Richard Marker & Jennifer Woodrick - Office Assistant Assoc. Minutes were accepted as presented from November 8, 2001. PC2002-04 - Fox Hill, 3 Acres Rezoning - Faltz This is located west of Rob Roy Creek, leaving a sliver of green space along the creek. This is adjacent to a piece already zoned B3 west to Eldamain. This is currently zoned PUD as a park. Primus improved a park at a different site and the city agreed to transfer title of the 3 acres west of the creek and zone it B-3. This commercial property will be privately marketed by Primus Corporation. This will go to Plan Commission February 13, 2002. Heartland Circle - Concept Plan This concept was presented to the Plan Commission at their January 2002 meeting. It was reported that it was well received by the Commission. It is located just south of the existing Heartland Subdivision. Richard Marker is looking for direction to prepare his preliminary plan and engineering. This site is not being considered any longer for the placement of the water treatment facility. Richard Marker gave an overview of the project. This is a 129 acre parcel, the Taus Farm. Density is two units/acre. There are 1 3/4 miles of trails which tie into the existing Heartland Subdivision. The proposed park site is placed at the Page 1 of 9 previously proposed municipal site (sw corner). Open space is approximately 15% without detention and 27% with detention. Perimeter lots are all 12,000 sq. ft.- 85x120. Internal lots adjacent to green space are 10,000 sq. ft. Heartland Subdivision is 80x 125. The trail system is aimed at the center of the development which is light use commercial targeting specialty shops, medical office or resturant/bar. The detention is dry at a maximum of 4-5' deep. Drainage is under the culverts across private property to the Fox River. Detention provided here will decrease the current flow rate onto the existing neighbors' properties. There will be a road connection to West Road (a.k.a. Tuma Rd.) and Spring St. will be extended with a roundabout that will be one way circulation, 30' back-to-back. This will be a comprehensive plan change. The pedestrian crossings have a slight rise and pavement material change for traffic calming. Parking is shown on the streets. Marker is planning on having preliminary plan and engineering plans in here on Friday or Monday. Lot sizes were reviewed. Spring St. shows a 66' ROW, it was commented to change to 80' ROW for an option of a future collector road. Graff wants to go to 80' to stay consistent with previous Council & Plan Commission approvals for a possible bridge crossing. Marker agreed he can accommodate the 80' ROW request. Preliminary is w/66', but it will be changed. Preliminary sanitary flow test study was done by Deuchler to see if this property could be serviced. This is serviceable with a lift station up East Main to King & Center, then discharge into the gravity sewer. The current Woodworth & Heartland lift station will be abandoned and utilized by this new one. Deuchler is calling for a siphon or a force main. Ownership will be an issue, YBSD or City. Off-site easements will be needed for sizing issues. Definitely a doable situation. Dettmer clarified with Marker that the outlot has been eliminated at the round about on the northwest corner of the Heartland Circle. Parking could be maintained publicly or privately at the commercial lot. PUD agreement can clarify. Schoppe suggested that the parking stay outside the ROW for plowing and other maintenance issues. Page 2 of 9 20 acres are already annexed. An additional 109 is annexing. The school transition fee can only be applied to currently annexed property or by agreement. Marker intends to apply school transition fees to all 129 acres. We need to check to see if the 20 acres already annexed was also annexed to the YBSD back in 1987. Ralph was not sure. Wywrot suggested that the pedestrian trail to Heartland be moved over the large deep sanitary sewer. Marker confirmed that it will be relocated. Wywrot advises that we check with Kramer regarding the West Road connection. That road may be private. City will check with Kramer. Graff asked for comments from each Plan Council member. Pfister: No issues. Dubajic: Happy, likes the uniqueness. Chief. Likes and agrees that the raised pedestrian crossing and round about - slows traffic and is aesthetically pleasing. Fairfield: Concerned with one access to the commercial in the center. The PUD agreement will address that a pedestrian trail will be 10' wide, kept clear and marked for emergency access. Graff. Commented on striving for rural character look including allowing the night sky to be seen with control of illumination of street lights. Asked Marker to work with us on night sky illumination for updating our Subdivision Ordinance. Marker stated he would be delighted. Dhuse: No comments at this time. Heartland Circle to Park Board Monday night. Schoppe's comments: strongly suggests a 4-6 acre park site on north side, northwest corner for playground or recreational site on greenway. Tot lot in Heartland is off of the northwest corner of Heartland Circle. Marker did not agree with that idea, not conducive to this plan. Marker stated 19 acres are dedicated as open space in Heartland. Some large enough for soccer or football fields. Schoppe feels the park located in the southwest corner would be better in a different location. Marker stated that location will serve existing residents as well as new ones. Graff left Marker and Schoppe to work together to come to a compromise. Marker doesn't want to see traffic drawn in from the outside to the park site. Park Board determines type of park needed, location is worked out with Schoppe for land plan. No other comments. Graff asked if uniqueness costs money for maintenance. Schoppe urged Council to go after uniqueness without increasing maintenance costs. 235 to 250 homes Page 3 of 9 with this road layout. Dhuse and emergency services stated no increase expense for this layout. Chief commented that no lots be on round about. Marker agreed. Wywrot brought up the issue of Quincy Road. There is a one lane, gravel driveway off of Spring to access the houses by the river. This issue needs to be addressed and a determination made. It may need to be moved. Access is an issue and Wywrot feels we need to keep our options open. Different scenarios were discussed. Graff stated that this will be looked at. Dettmer stated this is a very successful use of land and pleasing as well. No problems foreseen with this type of development in relation to our Zoning Ordinance. This is a good low end use in a neighborhood. Suggests Office or B-1 with additional uses specified in PUD agreement of a restaurant and/or specialty shop(s). No B3 or B4. Architectural concept can be added as an exhibit to agreement. Marker stated intent for commercial is for a one story, low rise buildings that would compliment the neighborhood. This goes to Park Board Monday, 1/27/02 and Plan Commission on February 13, 2002. The Highlands - Preliminary Plan, Annexation & Zoning Graff presented a historical prospective of this project. Concept has been reviewed 2 or 3 times. This is the Doetschman Farm and they have added an additional 134 acres to bring this up to a total of 326 acres off of Route 71 and Route 126. There is a water study being done for this area due to high elevations. The developer is paying for the study as long as it is agreed that they can recapture some of their money from other users in the service area. EEI is doing this study. Discussions are needed with the YBSD due to the limited capacity of 150 homes. FPA was discussed. An FPA amendment is in process for one small triangle of land outside the FPA. Deuchler is working on it. It is annexed to the city but not in the FPA. The school district is reiterating that a school site is needed. Would like 20-25 acre for a school K-8, adjacent to park site for cooperative use. Rich Guerard gave an overview of changes. Duplexes have been moved to the east by Route 126 across from the proposed school site. Reconfigured the park area to open internal area. 22.8 acre school site with some detention added. This was done at Dr. Engler's recommendation, not the Board. Added a townhome Page 4 of 9 section as well. 12,000 sq. ft. lots minimum. Open space is completely open to the community on three sides. Homes only along one side. There is a trail system throughout the property. The large park can accommodate two soccer fields and two baseball fields and still have a large playground. He reviewed his discussions with the Block Family. She stated to him that her use is agricultural and would like to see some buffering. She stated she wanted a 20' fence abutting her property. Her attorney advised a letter is coming. City has asked her attorney, Dallas Ingemunson to approach her about annexing and developing some language as an agricultural zoning to protect her and the integrity of the agricultural environment. Developer asked what Yorkville has done in the past in this situation. No fencing, berming or buffering. Only asked for conservation of tree lines in the past. Timing was clarified from Ralph on the river crossing sewer, start in 2003. YBSD just received a letter stating that they are out of compliance. Probably summer of 2003, additional PE will open. Stated that the district themselves may cut off additional development due to compliance problem. Developer asked if 150 homes will still be allowed to be built per previous agreement with Edmeier. Ralph said he did not know. The agreement between the YBSD, City and Edmeier stated 150 homes when money paid for river crossing. Ralph stated that the EPA could cut them off at any time. The 150 homes was for the transportation capacity in the pipes, there is still the EPA permit to be granted for capacity at the plant itself. The pipe capacity was the equivalent of 150 homes. Ralph stated they will try, but don't know if it will happen or not. Start discussions with the District for capacity beyond 150 homes. Ralph stated they will get together and meet. Water - Wywrot explained that there are some high areas here that the City needs to make sure the pressure can be maintained due to the elevation of the land. The study could change roadway alignment and land use drastically. Schoppe commented: school site is the key. School District needs to determine what type of school will be needed here. The City will ask for specific direction as to what to tell developers for needs. Maybe a checklist of questions to help determine type of schools and locations. This meeting will be at staff level. Page 5 of 9 Schoppes calculations justify 2 elementary schools in this quadrant and possibly one middle school - K-8. School site and several different locations were discussed extensively. One suggestion was moving it internally with green/park space next to it getting the school off of the state route, and moving townhomes next to 126 as a buffer to the commercial to the west with a boulevard look off of 126. Developer didn't feel school should be internally located. Direction needed from the school district. Graff will set meeting with Dr. Engler. School calculation is around 20 acres. Several different scenarios and locations were reviewed. Several developers/owners could combine to make one larger school. Dr. Engler is requesting that transition fees be paid at time of plat instead of at time of permit. Townhome density is 10 per acre. City's standard has been pretty firm at 5 per acre. Schoppe stated that the city should entertain the reasoning and benefits of the higher density. Use does fit location. Duplexes are not being restricted to the 15,000 sq. ft. lot. Schoppe agreed it still fits and compliments land use. Open space issue. The trail system follows the ComEd ROW. Wywrot has heard that ComEd will allow the trail, however nothing in writing. Edmeier was to gravel the path and that somehow, some way it would get paved. Edmeier is still active developer to the west. This is a ROW not an easement. Agreement language needs to be cleaned up. Country Hills Park was discussed. This is a 2 1/2 acre planned park site. Schoppe suggested that a lot be used as a connection along that ROW to the proposed County Hills Park. Maybe the City could use land cash to buy a lot for connection. Developer is willing just need to determine a location. Schoppe suggests that park space be connected with open space if possible, not mandatory. Topography was discussed for usage of recreational area. Extensive discussion was held regarding preserving the character of the land by maintaining elevations. Graff expressed concern at impacting the character of the land to make a park. Schoppe expressed his feelings that the development of 2.1 units/acre changes the land, not just flattening the park. Schoppe feels that larger areas of open space (50%) with smaller lots (8,000 sq. ft) of clustered homes would do a more effective job of preserving the character of land. Other techniques need to be Page 6 of 9 utilized to be affective at preserving the character of the land. Maximum 3% pitch to the park site for ball fields. Road stub to the property on the north end of Route 71 was discussed and recommended to provide access for this unannexed property. Schoppe advised reconfiguring the entry way to preserve the rural character by moving 10 lots into the subdivision, lowering the lot size slightly but gaining the open rural entries off of Routes 71 & 126. Dhuse verified they are going to Park Board Monday night. Park calculation reviewed. Check street names for duplicates. Wywrot presented option of Country Hills shifting SunnyDell Road to meet with The Highlands Hazeltine Lane. Wywrot suggested that collector roads need to come off of 71 & 126, which then requires 80' ROW, 39' back to back with thicker pavement. Recommend realigning Highlands extending it south to M'heeler/Davidson eliminating 1 of the two stubs, probably the southern one, making it a main collector road to 71 from the Wheeler/Davidson property. Traffic study is being done. It will suggest the collector roads, widths and depths. Turn bays may be needed off of 71 & 126. Curb types were discussed for the townhome area due to the number of curb cuts. B6.12 curb is in Prairie Garden and is what ordinance calls for. Schoppe, Dhuse and Wywrot suggested slices in the curb to make driveway depressions. A roll curb may look more appealing. PUD agreement will clarify, discussion for agreement will be needed. Wyndham Deerpoint asked for a schedule for the EEI study. Deuchler handling off site sanitary. Dettmer defined the side yard setback; 10' or 10%, whichever is greater. Building placement needs to be shown. Developer agreed to work with standards with lighting regarding night sky illumination in :PUD. Dubajic stated the need for football fields is reiterated out in the community. Page 7 o F 9 Chief stated that due to traffic around the schools, he prefers the schools stay outside of the residential areas. Fairfield stated that he would like some type of access maintained to any detention ponds with water. Wywrot pointed out that the City may not want to maintain the area surrounding the detention ponds. Timelines for changes to this plan were discussed. Graff advised that unless changes can be made to this plan, they may i vant to consider going to March Plan Commission instead of February. Public Hearing is for amendment to the PUD and annexation and zoning. Schoppe needs to review a preliminary landscape plan soon with emphasis placed on the townhome area and entry ways. PC2001-16 -Fox Hill, Unit 7 Pod 10 - Final Plan This was listed as preliminary. It is not. It is final plan. No representative present. Wywrot's comments are completed and will be reviewed. Three issues open. Sanitary district review, placement of easement along Rob Roy Creek for future interceptor. Rob Roy Creek flood plain delineation, Dresden has been instructed to work with EEI on this. Dresden has submitted the requested elevations to the Illinois State Water Survey. No timeline on this is known at this time. These directly affect engineering approval. Third issue is Eldamain Road. Dresden has agreed to pay 20% of the improvements to Eldamain Road which will be held in a trust account for the future. The current seal coat condition of Eldamain Road must be maintained & repaired if damaged during construction of subdivision. Dresden & his attorney agreed that construction traffic must use Eldamain Road not Route 34. An inspection will take place before construction starts and then again, during and after construction in order determine necessary repairs to Eldamain Road. Dresden will maintain the road from the construction entrance to Route 34. Verbal agreement has been received, not written at this time. The City will maintain the road after we accept the repairs. Dettmer asked what assurance we have that the developer will maintain the agreed to terms. A figure will be determined by engineer's estimate as to their 20% portion for the maintenance and improvement of Eldamain Road, this road payment needs to be paid in full and drawn off of as needed to maintain condition of Eldamain Road. Kramer will review for fairness and amount determination. Page 8 ol-7 9 Plan Commission will probably discuss access issue onto Eldamain Road. Meeting has been held with Fran Klaas. Current proposed is for one access to Eldamain Road with a second access provided as emergency access only. Determined to leave as an open issue for future comment. 2nd access needed was previous determination. Requesting the developer to move the trail located near the detention pond in the backyards to the east (closer to the creek) so it will not be in the backyards. Dresden will be asked if he would like to come back to Plan Council or go before the Plan Commission. Outlot #37 needs to be eliminated and incorporated into lots #24 & 36. City Council will not approve final plat until the flood plain is identified, sanitary engineering, and road issue are done, and the plan revised accordingly. Schoppe stated that a landscape plan be submitted as part of the approval. Meeting adjourned at 12:24 p.m. Minutes respectfully submitted by Holly Baker. Page 9 of 9