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Plan Council Minutes 2001 09-13-01 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE Committee Minutes - Plan Council September 13, 2001 Meeting Location: 800 Game Farm Time Convened: 9:41 a.m. Time Adjourned: 11:42 a.m. Attendees: Joe Wywrot - City Engineer Tony Graff- City Administrator Harold Martin - Chief of Police Eric Dhuse - Public Works Director Mike Schoppe - Schoppe Design Bill Dettmer - Building Official Lynn Dubajic - EDC Tim Fairfield - BKFPD EMS Ron Taft - BKFPD EMS Mike Cap - Michael Cap, Ltd. Jorge Boada - Jorge Boada Assoc. Minutes were accepted as presented from August 23, 2001. Additional Business PC 2001-17 Cannonball Estates Unit 2 Final Plat of Subdivision Review This is located near the intersection of Cannonball Trail and Faxon Road. Final engineering plans have gone through Plan Council and have already been approved. There is no unit 3. There are no changes from the preliminary plans to the park, roadways, lot layout, count or dimensions. The changes presented are to the width of easements. Discussion was held regarding changing the name of the development to the marketed name. Discussion centered around the legal aspects of making this change; developer name vs. builder name. Kramer will be contacted for legal opinion and asked to respond in writing. Discussion was held regarding combing the landscape easement along Faxon Road with a public utility and drainage easement. Several points were made. The developer has granted a 15' exclusive easement to the City with spots of utility easement on each end. Maintenance of the utilities placed in landscape easements Page 1 of 6 can disrupt and damage the landscape. The language of purpose and restrictions to the homeowners regarding this easement was discussed. Parkway trees need to be shown. They will be planted in the parkways according to the Landscape Ordinance. The sidewalk along Faxon Road was discussed. Faxon Road was to have full improvements made, which include sidewalk on both sides of the road. Since sidewalk on the north side is not allowed at this time, it was agreed that sidewalk would be extended the full length of Faxon Road on the south side only. Verification is needed as to the length of sidewalk. This will be researched and, if need be, a meeting scheduled with Alan Norton, Tony Graff and Joe Wywrot. Schoppe requested the front, side and rear yard setbacks be shown on the plat; and that only the easements be shown to cut down on the number of lines on the plat. Lots are all 12,000' s.f. or more. Dettmer stated they were ok. To Plan Commission on 10/10/01. Boada or Norton to attend. Boada to see Sandy today. PC2001-16 - Fox Hill Unit 7 Pod 10 - Final Plat Density is ok. Number of units not an issue. Total acreage is 13.74, which allows for 38 lots. 36 are proposed. Preannexation agreement oversees this development. There was discussion as to which takes precedent, legal verbiage or exhibits. Wywrot's comments were reviewed and discussion was held on some. This is the first new unit of Fox Hill since Wywrot started with the City. Our ordinance states that a field tile study is required. The Rob Roy Creek flood plain delineation was discussed. Wywrot has no data on this. Our Flood Plain Ordinance was adopted in 1990, this was annexed 10/28/93. Rob Roy Creek was missed on the FEMA flood plain panel. It doesn't even show as existing. Wywrot will get a copy of the map to Cap. No lot should be platted within 75' of the bank. Annexation agreement states the required Page 2 of 6 zoning and subdivision improvement standards. This issue will be conferred with Kramer for legal determination. Regarding sheet 3, the Rob Roy interceptor required will need to be 36" and is probably deep. The developer's concern is financial. The annexation agreement contains a clause allowing for certain recaptures and they are asking if the city is prepared to enter into a recapture agreement. The recapture would only apply to anticipated growth not this subdivision. The city is not ready to proceed with recapture at this time. But the city is exploring financial options and the timeline for when the interceptor needs to be done. Graff stated that this issue will be dictated more by Deuchler than by the city. The city will enter into dialogue with Dresden and Deuchler. There is a small direct impact here. A temporary lift station will be used in the mean time. The type and pipe size will be determined by Deuchler. Cap will set up a meeting with Deuchler and Graff will attend. It was reiterated for Cap to get the plans to YBSD for Ralph Pfister to be on board. Regarding the sanitary sewer extensions to Eldamain Road, the Plano-YBSD Amendment to the FPA has not been approved by the EPA yet. Until the amendment is approved, an extension will need to be planned for possibly a 10" pipe. Again, this issue needs to be discussed with Deuchler for a determination. There may need to be a stub to the north and an 8" stub to the south but deepening that section and out to a manhole. These would have recapture for Dresden. If a lift station is determined to be necessary for the property to the south there would be more discussions with Wywrot, Cap, Deuchler and Kevin Biscan. Deuchler is against using lift stations. Plans need to go to Deuchler to move forward. The property located to the south is not currently annexed. They are exploring their options. This sewer will not be held back for sizing determination unless there is a signed annexation agreement. Cap stated he's not opposed to planning, as long as things continue forward. Graff asked Cap to keep an open mind through Plan Commission. Plans need to be looked at for the future surrounding area, but Graff stated Fox Hill will not be slowed down for conceptual review, only factual. Will try to keep things moving forward. The temporary lift station was discussed. The Blackberry interceptor will connect to this lift station. The date the annexation agreement was passed will determine which ordinance sets the standard for the building material to be used on the building housing the controller and generator. Wywrot will look at and inform Cap of requirement by appropriate ordinance. Graff stated something other than Page 3 of 6 ordinance required material would be looked at but that is the only commitment he can make. Cap pointed out that Dresden is under the impression that this lift station is intended to be temporary and that, due to the contributing area, the pipe diameter that is needed is small. The lift station will be taken out when the Rob Roy interceptor is put in. The lift station calculations need to be taken from the PE flows, not acreage contributing. The wet well needs to be sized to handle the highest flow that the 15" downstream sewer can handle. The lift station doesn't need to be any larger because the pipe downstream couldn't take it. When the flow is too large for the 15" pipe to handle that will be the trigger that the a gravity sewer will need to be extended down Rob Roy Creek to River Road and have a permanent lift station put in there. But this temporary lift station could be used for a long time before the flows are too high. The interceptor upstream needs to be sized to handle everything from Baseline Road south. Cap had approval from IEPA to install the lift station years ago. The capacity of the downstream sewer was calculated to determine the size of the lift station. Cap feels the 8 foot diameter is larger than it needs to be. The commercial at Route 34 and Eldamain Road will be served by this and calculations should be figured in from this. The city would entertain dialogue with that in mind. Graff stated that Wywrot will be putting together a list of updates to our current standards due to technology and experience. He requested that Cap review the list, when finished, and tell us if they can adhere to them even though they weren't the standards in 1993 when the annexation agreement was adopted. Street lights and fire hydrants were used as examples. Wywrot will get our current streetlight standard to Cap. Eldamain Road was discussed. This is currently an A2 tar and chip road. They intend to create 1/2 an arterial road to our standards. There is a provision in the Annexation Agreement that any improvement to Eldamain Road will be financed 80% by the city. Reviewed what was annexed with Fox Hill. North ROW line of Route 34 and west ROW line of Eldamain Road. Our boundary agreement with Plano has language in it regarding construction Eldamain Road. Graff will get policy direction from city council. It is a city road to the south end of Fox Hill then it is a township road south of that. It may be necessary to do a partial build out instead of a full improvement. Cap stated that our approach was conducive to other towns procedure. The calculation formula was discussed. The policy makers need to decide what will be spent. Graff will try to have a response from the policy makers by Plan Commission. Page 4 of 6 The annexation agreement stated one residential access from Eldamain Road. The plan shows two. This is a legal issue that needs clarification. Schoppe gave his opinion that 1 access would be better and stub a road to the south for future development for future residential access to Eldamain. One access would create a 1600' culdesac. This is scary from a public safety issue. This needs to be addressed prior to Plan Commission. Graff will get direction from Kramer The plat does reflect a 50' dedication for the Eldamain Road ROW. No lots are allowed to access directly onto Eldamain Road. The plan needs to be revised so that lots do not access, with their drive ways, directly onto Eldamain Road. The police would support less cuts on Eldamain Road, due to the type of road it is planned to be. Discussion was held about adding a culdesac for driveway access for these lots. Change the open space shown to the culdesac. The trail leg is important to leave in. Indicate what the ground treatment is going to be in the pond area. The outlot will be owned by the city and the city will maintain it. The trail comes in off the culdesac to the north. Schoppe would recommend that the treatment be of a nonmowable nature and it is better for the pond. Guidelines for prairie grasses are being looked at now. Submit a copy of the specific grasses chosen. Graff asked that the setbacks be shown on the plans. Front, rear and side yard setbacks help the building department immensely. The setback amounts were reviewed. Developer to get plans to Ralph Pfister right away and Graff will schedule a meeting with them. Plan Council recommends that some type of pedestrian access be provided along Eldamain Road. Sidewalks are part of roadway costs and are intended for a push for access to any commercial especially with the YMCA being so close. Trails should be indicated on the plat and final determination will be made by policy holders based on our overall comprehensive park plan. Plan Council stated the corners at the intersections need to be rounded off with 25' radius. Page 5 of 6 The easement along Eldamain Road should follow the city's landscape ordinance as stated in the annexation agreement. Plan Council recommends that the parkway tree requirement be met by placing them 5' off the sidewalk in the front yard as street scape, due to the narrow ROW and parkway in this subdivision. Plan Council asked the developer to make the exclusive municipal easement, located in the front of the lots, a public utility drainage easement. Timeline for revision submittal discussed for Plan Commission packets. Graff leaning towards two road cuts due to the future development of the property to the south. This goes to Plan Commission October 10, 2001. Joint workshop of city council and plan commission for comprehensive plan update was announced for September 26, 2001. Meeting adjourned at 11:42 a.m. Minutes respectfully submitted by Holly Balser. Page 6 of 6