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Plan Commission Minutes 2005 05-11-05 Page 1 of 6 APPROVED 10/12/05 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS WEDNESDAY,MAY 11,2005 Acting Chairman Anne Lucietto called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. ROLL CALL Members present: Charles Kraupner, Clarence Holdiman,Anne Lucietto, Bill Davis, Brian Schillinger, Jack Jones and Michael Crouch. A quorum was established. VISITORS Mayor Art Prochaska; City Attorney John Wyeth; City Planner Mike Schoppe; and John Whitehouse, from EEI. Also Greg Ingmunson, David Meek, R. Mandernack, Faye Gates, Richard Allen, Robert Allen, John Daniels, Chuck Brooks,Wayne Roberts,Tony Scott, Bob Fisher, Sara Fisher, Richard Brummel, Alice Brummel, Darrell Busch, Dave Schmelzle, Richard Scheffrahn, Dave Waden, Jason Wiesbrock, Rich Guerard, Glenn Kleefisch,Robert Dearborn and Bob Pilmer. MINUTES Crouch made a motion to approve minutes from the Jan. 12, Feb. 9, March 23 and April 13, 2005 meetings. Kraupner seconded the motion. Corrections were made to the Jan. 12 court reporter documents to include Crouch and Lucietto in the roll. All of the minutes were approved by a voice vote. PUBLIC HEARINGS Crouch made a motion to open the first public hearing. Holdiman seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote. 1. PC 2004-18Wyndham Deerpoint Homes and Judith I.Bell,Jennie M.Mulvey and Richard Huston petition to rezone. See attached. Jones made a motion to close the hearing. Davis seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote. Kraupner made a motion to open the second public hearing. Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote. Page 2 of 6 2. PC 2005-08 McCue Builders, Inc. and Youth Camp Association of District 12 and 13 Polish National Alliance of the United States of America petition to annex and rezone. See attached. Crouch made a motion to close the public hearing. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote. Crouch made a motion to open the third public hearing. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by a voice vote. 3. PC 2005-14 and PC 2005-15 Robert and Debra Dearborn, petition to rezone See attached. Crouch made a motion to close the public hearing. Schillinger seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. NEW BUSINESS 1. PC 2004-18 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes Crouch said the situation hasn't changed since the last time the petition was presented. The plan still largely impacts the people who live on Walnut Drive and as they stated in the public hearing, they aren't happy about it, Crouch said. Overall, he said he sees the same plan as presented earlier with the same problems. Rich Guerard from Wyndham Deerpoint Homes said at the city's request, they put in an access to the south to eventually connect to another roadway. The only reason the plan has come back through the system is because of a setback change. The property was already annexed a zoned R-3. As for Walnut Drive, he said it is a designated public street and there's literally nothing else that can be done. The dispute is that the residents who testified at the public hearing fear using Walnut Drive as an entrance will impact their property. Guerard said it would impact their property. However, he said there's nothing else the developers and residents can do, but try to manage the best they can. City Planner Mike Schoppe the city's in the process of researching easements that may or may not have been made. The latest plat in 2002 shows there's an ingress and egress easement placed on St. Joseph's Way. It doesn't identify whom the easement is granted to and what rights might apply. The city attorney is looking into that issue, Schoppe said. He said the issue has been looked at several times and St. Joseph Way has been planned to extend through the property and eventually to Route 47. Schoppe added the Planning Council hasn't looked at the proposal yet as a preliminary PUD plan. Lucietto then questioned if the Plan Commission is premature in voting on Page 3 of 6 this issue without input from the city staff. Without a staff recommendation or review Lucietto said she didn't feel ready to vote. Crouch made a motion to table the request for PC 2004-18. Holdiman seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch and Lucietto voted yes. 2. PC 2005-08 McCue Builders petition to annex and rezone Crouch said the commission had a lot of issues on this request when it was brought to the commission earlier as a concept plan. At the top of the list was the fact there's only one entry/exit planned. There are questions about the road to the east that might come through the property. Also, there are a number of lots that are smaller than 12,000 square feet that don't back up to open space. Attorney Greg Ingmunson said the road to the east won't cross Blackberry Creek so it's unlikely it would go through this property. John Whitehouse from Engineering Enterprises, Inc. said the city plan shows an east-west road on the north side of the school property, which is where the north driveway is. However, he said it's unlikely that's where the road would go. In fact,he doubts there ever will be a roadway bridge to cross Blackberry Creek. Even if the east-west road doesn't go through the property, there are still a number of transportation issues plaguing the plan. For one, Cannonball Trail might be extended through to River Road, Whitehouse said. The John Street intersection, which was addressed in the public hearing, will eventually warrant a four-way stop. Moving past the access issue, Schillinger said he opposes R-4 zoning on the property. If that zoning is approved at all, it would have to be located near the jail. He doesn't want to see it further south on the property. Bill McCue said that even with an R-4 zoning, they would stay within the density of 2.25 units per acre. The intent is to provide age-targeted housing where people want smaller lots. Ingmunson added that the villa lots would be really nice. Ingmunson said the request has not yet gone to the Planning Council. Crouch said without information from the Planning Council and without engineering notes, he doesn't feel ready to vote. Ingmunson, however, said he'd like for the commission to vote rather than table the request. Crouch made a motion to recommend approval for annexation of PC 2005-08 as requested. Schillinger seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Holdiman, Davis, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch, Kraupner and Lucietto voted yes. Crouch then made a motion to recommend approval of the rezoning request for PC 2005- 08 from agricultural to R-2 and R-4 PUD. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was Page 4 of 6 defeated in a 5-2 vote. Davis, Schillinger, Crouch, Kraupner and Lucietto voted no. Jones and Holdiman voted yes. 3. PC 2005-08 Blackberry Woods—Planned Unit Development Lucietto said this request was merged into the previous request. 4. PC 2005-14 Robert and Debra Dearborn, petition to rezone Schoppe said the city's comprehensive plan shows the property in the traditional neighborhood area. Mayor Prochaska said that the downtown revitalization plan shows for this area to be a combination of commercial and residential. On this particular parcel, Robert Dearborn said the plan is to erect a building to house a commercial use on the first floor and three to four apartments on the second floor. A rendering of the proposed building shows an all brick building that could house up to three commercial uses or one user could use all three designated spaces, Dearborn said. Lucietto asked if the developer could make all sides of the building look nice. Crouch said someone at the public hearing asked if the zoning request is approved, could it start a domino effect. Mayor Prochaska said it could. As properties sell over time, they could be rezoned commercial. Davis said he'd like to make sure the building shown is close to what is actually built. Mayor Prochaska said the commission could ensure that happens by calling for an agreement s part of the zoning change. Davis made a motion to recommend approval for rezoning as requested in PC 2005-14 subject to the negotiation of a development agreement. Schillinger seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Schillinger, Jones, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis and Lucietto voted yes. 5. PC 2005-15 Robert and Debra Dearborn petition to rezone Dearborn said this request is to rezone the existing house for eventual commercial use. For now, he intends for the residence to remain a residential use. Crouch made a motion to recommend approval for rezoning as requested in PC 2005-15 subject to design standards and a development agreement. Jones seconded the motion. Jones, Crouch, Kraupner, Holdiman, Davis, Schillinger and Lucietto voted yes. 6. PC 2005-03 Aspen Ridge—Preliminary Plan David Meek, attorney representing the petitioner, said the plan has been modified based on comments from the Plan Commission at the concept phase. The roadway system remained the same, but the detention ponds were moved and the park in the center will be dedicated to the city. Page 5 of 6 Schoppe said there are a few issues the Plan Commissioners should ponder before voting. One important item to consider is that this is the first project south of the river based on the new comprehensive plan. The proposed development is located in the estate area, which as a base density of 1.5 units per acre. The density could increase to 1.75 units if the project goes above and beyond normal requirements. In this project, a density of 1.72 units per acre has been proposed. Meek said the density credit explanation found on the preliminary plat addresses the principles outlined in the comprehensive plan. Also, the preliminary plat lists a summary of other specific improvement the developer is providing. For instance, Principle 5 states that the developer must provide a sense of architectural interest and unique identity. In response to that principle, the developer has promised to comply and exceed any requirements set forth by the city's architectural appearance code. Crouch wondered how the developer could guarantee it will exceed the standards. Meek said that the builders would have to evidence that they will indeed exceed the standards. Crouch said the word "exceed" is the problem. He questioned how the developer could say it will exceed and comply. Lucietto said the Plan Commission rejected the proposal in February and asked what has changed since then. Mayor Prochaska said the City Council voted in favor of it. However, before any permits are allowed, the Fox Road study has to be completed. Whitehouse said the last time the issue was before the Plan Commission, Plan Commissioners wanted it to be a PUD. The City Council, however, decided it could proceed as an annexation provided it is accompanied by an annexation agreement. All of the issues and concerns from city staff and the Plan Commission could be addressed in an annexation agreement, he said. The council wanted to do it as an annexation agreement because the project will set a precedent in the area, Whitehouse said. Schoppe said the developers have done a good job addressing Plan Council issues. The issue now is whether the developers exceed the minimum requirements enough to justify the higher density. Crouch said he has a difficult time seeing how the 10 principles are quantitative. They're hard to interpret as to whether the additional 30 lots are justified. Schoppe suggested focusing on two components—does the plan adhere to the design guidelines and does it exceed city standards. The exceeding part is more black and white because anything above the minimum requirement exceeds it. Determining if the design guidelines are exceeded is more nebulous, he said. Page 6 of 6 Meeks pointed out that while he intends to leave most of the technical details to the engineers, there are numerous points that meet or exceed the city's standards. He said, for instance, the developers intend to put in a bike trail; they increased some of the lot widths so that they're more compatible to adjacent property owners and they are keeping the treeline along Pavilion Road. Also, the developers are putting up fencerows, putting in elaborate landscaping and are helping to pay for the water main extension and sanitary improvements. Jones said he'd like for the developers to draft a list detailing where they believe they have surpassed standards. Davis agreed saying that the summary list provided on the plat is too vague. Crouch made a motion to recommend the preliminary plan for PC 2005-03 subject to staff comments and careful adherence to the test for higher density outlined in the comprehensive plan and to try to get more funding for the school district. Jones seconded the motion. The motion was approved 6-1 in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Davis, Schillinger, Jones, Crouch and Lucietto voted yes. Holdiman voted no. 7. PC 2005-18 Del Webb/Pulte Homes—GarritanoBrummel Concept Plan Matt Cudny introduced the plan for the subdivision. Cudny said Del Webb stands for lifestyle and value and the subdivision planned is for an age-restricted community. The proposal calls for a density of 3.3 units per acre in that subdivision. On the other side, where typical single-family housing is proposed, the density would be 1.75 units per acre, which falls within the comprehensive plan, he said. On the Del Webb site, the lot sizes would be 5,500 to 7,500 square feet. While Lucietto commented that the community is short on housing for adults, Jones said he would like to see how the developer makes the smaller lot sizes work. Cudny said the homes on the lots are typically 1,200 to 1,600 square foot homes and the average population per home is 1.7 to 1.8 people. He added that the planned community would be similar to the Del Webb communities in Shorewood and Huntley. When Crouch commented that the city has never approved lots as small as 5,500 square feet, Cudny said this concept is completely different than anything the city has seen before. Upon completion of the presentation, Jones made a motion to adjourn. Kraupner seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 10:24 p.m. Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe PLAN COMMISSION MEETING UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE , ILLINOIS REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting of the above-entitled matter taken before CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, C . S . R . , on May 11 , 2005 , at the hour of 7 : 00 p . m. , at 800 Game Farm Road, in the City of Yorkville , Illinois . D-758505 REPO • COURT reporting service 800 West Fifth Avenue • Suite 203C • Naperville, IL 60563 • 630-983-0030 • Fax 630-983-6013 www.depocourt.com 2 1 P R E S E N T : 2 MS . ANNE LUCIETTO, Acting Chairman; 3 MR . CLARENCE HOLDIMAN; 4 MR . BILL DAVIS ; 5 MR . CHARLES KRAUPPNER; 6 MR . MICHAEL CROUCH; 7 MR . BRIAN SCHILLINGER; 8 MR . JACK JONES ; 9 MR . MIKE SCHOPPE; 10 MS . DINA GIPE . 11 A P P E A R A N C E S : 12 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK 300 East Fifth Avenue , Suite 380 13 Naperville , Illinois 60563 ( 630 ) 355-1458 14 BY : MR . JOHN JUSTIN WYETH, appeared on behalf of the United 15 City of Yorkville , Illinois . 16 17 - - - - - 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 3 1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Now we are going 2 into public hearings . Can I have a motion to 3 open the public hearings? 4 MR . CROUCH : So moved . 5 MR . HOLDIMAN : Second . 6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So the first 7 public hearing is PC 2004-18 , Wyndham Deerpoint 8 Homes . I ' m not going to read the whole thing; 9 it ' s on the agenda . 10 AUDIENCE : We can ' t hear you . 11 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank 12 you . 13 AUDIENCE : You are welcome . 14 WHEREUPON : 15 RICHARD GUERARD, 16 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 17 MR . GUERARD : Ready? Good evening, 18 everybody . My name is Rich Guerard and I am a 19 partner with Wyndham Deerpoint Homes , and the 20 project is Wynstone Development , a townhome 21 project that we are proposing . 22 With me today is our project 23 engineer, Jason Wiesbrock, from Jacob & Hefner, 24 here to answer any questions . We also have our Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 4 1 land planner from Landvision, Dave Waden . Dave 2 is going to make a brief presentation . 3 This is the basic same plan 4 that was in front of the City before , so he ' ll 5 make the presentation and be happy to answer any 6 questions that anyone may have . Thank you . 7 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Do you think 8 maybe we could turn it somehow so everybody in 9 the audience can see it as well? 10 WHEREUPON : 11 DAVID M . WADEN, 12 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 13 MR . WADEN : Good evening . My name 14 is Dave Waden with Landvision . This is the 15 preliminary plan for the Wynstone townhome 16 development . 17 It has been in front of the 18 Commission a few months ago . This plan is 19 reflecting some minor modifications to the 20 overall preliminary plan . It is adjacent to the 21 Fox Highland subdivision just to the east . 22 AUDIENCE : Can ' t hear you . I don ' t 23 know if it ' s on . 24 MR . CROUCH : Is that on? Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 5 1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : No , it doesn ' t 2 sound like it . There you go . 3 MR . WADEN : Dave Waden with 4 Landvision in St . Charles . I ' d just like to give 5 a brief overview of the preliminary plan for the 6 Wynstone townhome development located adjacent to 7 the Fox Highland subdivision and just east of 8 Route 47 . 9 This plan has been in front of 10 the Plan Commission previously a few months ago . 11 This plan does reflect a few modifications based 12 on some Staff requirement or Staff 13 recommendations . I ' d like to give you just a 14 brief run-through on some of those changes and 15 some of the overall data information . 16 The site is roughly 9 . 6 acres 17 in size . It consists of 56 townhome units , a 18 mixture of five-unit buildings and four-unit 19 buildings . 20 We have three access points 21 into the development; one is -- or three points 22 of access , ingress and egress . First one is 23 St . Joseph ' s Way, second one to the north, which 24 would be Walnut Drive , we are looking at stubbing Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 6 1 into Walnut Drive . 2 It is our understanding that 3 the -- or the continuation of the full 4 cross-section or city cross-section would 5 continue to the road stub so that there would be 6 a full connection to Walnut Drive, a third -- 7 AUDIENCE : Wait a minute . 8 MR . WADEN : -- access easement , 9 30-foot access easement located there , and the 10 fourth point for future development is at the 11 southern portion of the project . 12 We have identified this road 13 network system as being a private road network 14 system . 15 There is 32-foot back-to-back 16 pavements within this cross-section . We have 17 utilized the amount of asphalt for some on-street 18 parking spaces . 19 We have shown on-street -- we 20 have shown a total of 50 off-street parking 21 spaces , I ' m sorry, about 15 of them are located 22 adjacent to the park site . 23 We also have off-street parking 24 located on the entrance road from St . Joseph ' s Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 7 1 Way and also closer to the Walnut Drive location . 2 Within the motor courts 3 themselves we have also shown roughly four 4 parking spaces , so once again there is 5 off-street . 6 Then within the development 7 themselves there are two parking spaces within 8 the garage and then two behind the garage , so a 9 total of 224 spaces utilized there as well . 10 In the previous preliminary 11 plan we showed a wet detention basin in the 12 southeast corner of the project . We have now 13 converted that to a dry detention basin . It ' s 14 become a half acre high with a dry park site 15 adjacent to the detention basins . 16 The neat thing about this , it 17 could be utilized right now when there is some 18 inundation of water . We still have the half-acre 19 high and dry park facility . Maybe a gazebo could 20 be placed that ' s permanently dry for the whole 21 season . 22 When there is no rain, that 23 half acre could be almost converted into a one 24 and three quarter acre facility for the use of Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 8 1 throwing a baseball , maybe a small pick-up soccer 2 game , so on and so on . 3 So we have made some 4 modifications to the plan with the park system 5 themselves . 6 So the changes themselves , 7 those are really the major changes we have dealt 8 with with the previous preliminary plan . 9 The data, again, it ' s 9 . 6 acres 10 in size for the site, 56 units . We have 50 11 off-street parking spaces and 224 additional 12 parking spaces within the garage and behind the 13 garages themselves . 14 We have landscape plans that 15 were done by Gary Weber, we can talk about those 16 if there are any questions , and we also have 17 Jason Wiesbrock from Jacob & Hefner to answer any 18 questions that you may have . So that ' s a brief 19 overview . 20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . If there 21 is anyone in the audience here who would like to 22 ask some questions or have any concerns , feel 23 free to speak to them. One second . 24 The only thing I ' m going to ask Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 9 1 is that we don ' t repeat ourselves because we do 2 have four of these tonight , and we just want to 3 make sure that you get your point across and we 4 will have it recorded by the court reporter . 5 The other thing we ' re going to 6 ask, too, is that you don ' t talk at the same time 7 because it ' s very difficult for her to take 8 things word-for-word when you do that . 9 Ma ' am, if you want to go first . 10 Why don ' t you come here and use the mic so we can 11 all hear you? You need to state your name and 12 where you live, too . 13 WHEREUPON : 14 SARA FISHER, 15 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 16 MS . FISHER : My name is Sara Fisher, 17 and I live at 30 Walnut Drive, which is the house 18 that is pictured on the right-hand side of Walnut 19 Drive . Yes . 20 And looking at the way the 21 entrance is , actually they ' re taking Walnut 22 Drive, which is part of our driveway which we 23 own, and they ' re going to have to build more road 24 in order to have a road on Walnut Drive . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 10 1 We own part of that , and I can 2 show you our plans , and that is what we ' re 3 objecting to . 4 In fact , the bump-out that is 5 on our side of the road is owned by us , and part 6 of the whole drive that goes down in is owned by 7 us . 8 We ' re saying that -- Having had 9 a discussion with Tony Graff earlier this week, 10 he is talking about knocking down some trees and 11 putting some brick in and making a temporary 12 emergency entrance , and he would have to knock 13 down a lot of trees in order not -- for them not 14 to be driving on our property . And a fire truck 15 would never make a turn into there . 16 Besides that , from the 17 beginning of our property until the woods that 18 you see that starts the entrance into theirs is 19 not really a township road, it was built by the 20 person who built our house, and nothing heavier 21 than a car can drive on that without going 22 through . It ' s just gravel with some -- a little 23 blacktop coating on it . 24 We are objecting to the fact Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 11 1 that even an emergency entrance will create and 2 disrupt our life as it is today . 3 And we realize that those 4 properties are going to go in there ; our problem 5 is that we don ' t want to make that , Walnut Drive , 6 an entrance , even an emergency entrance , because 7 lots of changes would have to be made . 8 And we had the land surveyed to 9 purchase it , and it was still our intention to do 10 that when it was bought and this development was 11 decided . 12 We had it surveyed actually 13 last summer by the township . That ' s a township 14 road . 15 You have a letter in your 16 packet I believe from Richard and Lydia 17 Marciniak, who are our neighbors , who expressed 18 their interest in this and their thoughts about 19 it . Please read those , too . 20 And I think that ' s all I have 21 to say . Anybody have any questions? 22 (No response ) 23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank 24 you . Is there anyone else? Go ahead, sir . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 12 1 Name , please . 2 WHEREUPON : 3 WAYNE ROBERTS , 4 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 5 MR . ROBERTS : Wayne Roberts . 6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . And 7 you live? 8 MR . ROBERTS : 2044 Muirfield 9 Drive -- 10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 11 MR. ROBERTS : -- which is adjacent 12 primarily to this development they are planning 13 on . 14 My question is this . St . 15 Joseph ' s Way is a private road . Now, many of the 16 people in there will be driving -- and I ' m sure 17 going down St . Joseph ' s and onto Muirfield and 18 the other exit to get out onto 71 . 19 It ' s going to be a lot of 20 traffic on a private road that we have to take 21 care of . 22 My question is , is there 23 anything in the planning by the developer to 24 cover those costs for the development and upkeep Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 13 1 of that road, St . Joseph ' s Way? That ' s all I 2 have . 3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you answer 4 that? 5 MR . GUERARD : I can -- Maybe I can 6 answer that , a couple things on the road . Sir , 7 make sure I know which road you are talking 8 about , you are talking -- 9 MS . FISHER : No . 10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : St . Joseph ' s 11 Way . 12 MR . GUERARD : Let me address both 13 roads . Shall I do it now or -- 14 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Please do . 15 MR . GUERARD : All right . Once 16 again, my name is Rich Guerard . Let me pass out 17 some of these . I ' m not sure if they ' re -- This 18 will help explain it a little bit . Is anyone 19 else on Walnut here? 20 The first one I will address , 21 Walnut Drive , we just discussed . We had a full 22 survey done of this property, which I have with 23 me up here , but what I am showing you is the 24 exhibit -- what I have passed out is an exhibit , Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 14 1 just that house showing the road there, and that 2 is a township road . It ' s a 60-foot public 3 right-of-way . It ' s a street , dedicated street , 4 that dead ends into our property . 5 It ' s the only dedicated street 6 that has access to this piece of property right 7 now . It ' s the only public street . And obviously 8 it dead ends at the property for a reason . 9 What that shows you is the 10 distance of the house from the street where it 11 is , so that ' s actually from the right-of-way, so 12 her house itself , one corner, is 43 feet from the 13 right-of-way, and the other portion of it is 59 14 feet . The actual pavement is about 30 feet . 15 It ' s another 15 feet in . 16 So as far as parking and that 17 type of thing, there is plenty of room. From the 18 right-of-way, it ' s a 40-some foot setback . 19 Certainly what she is saying is 20 correct , the fact that there would have to be a 21 physical street put here , and we are going to be 22 required to be upgrading this road that goes on 23 out as part of our project , so -- and, you know, 24 that is a township road, so there is not much Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 15 1 else I can say about that other than it ' s a 2 dedicated township road, it always has been, and 3 it ' s the only right-of-way to this property that 4 is dedicated . 5 Then to answer the one as to 6 the private drive , there is the townhome project 7 next to us , and I think there is a letter in the 8 packet from Lennar representing the group, and I 9 had talked to her this afternoon . 10 What she has said is this is a 11 private road, just as the gentleman said, that 12 she believes this is a private road, and that 13 there is no current agreements for a cross 14 easement or a cautionary arrangement, and I think 15 that still has to be researched as to what that 16 issue is or isn ' t . 17 One of the things -- It clearly 18 was intended to stub and to go in here, and at 19 one time -- in fact , that road was actually built 20 that goes into the property . 21 Nevertheless , if it is a 22 private existing road, then that ' s an issue that 23 would have to be dealt with, and maybe it could 24 only become an emergency access if some other Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 16 1 issue can ' t be worked out . 2 What ' s unusual about that is we 3 developed the project on the other side of it , 4 which is Raintree , and this project stubs into 5 our project and goes through it , so all this 6 traffic goes through our project, you know, but 7 that is a public street and that was planned for, 8 so I don ' t think we have the answer to that , 9 except that we have contacted, and the person 10 that we contacted believes that ' s a private road . 11 And so -- And when we were in 12 the Planning Commission before , one of the 13 changes that has been made here is the additional 14 stubbing . 15 They requested a stub go to the 16 south so there could be an eventual connection 17 when the property to the south develops , and 18 you ' ll also see to the west there is an access 19 easement and right-of-way . 20 The purpose of that is so that 21 access can be built out to 47 when this parcel 22 develops , so there is going to be multiple 23 different accesses out of the property . 24 And I think what the lady had Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 17 1 said is that Tony Graff had talked to her about 2 the fact that this could become an emergency 3 access when one of these is put in place as these 4 properties develop . 5 I wasn ' t involved in that 6 conversation , but I believe -- 7 MS . FISHER : Is that what your 8 intention is? 9 MR . GUERARD : Yes . 10 MS . FISHER : That that would just be 11 an emergency or -- 12 MR . GUERARD : Well , I think that 13 would be up to the City and the Planning 14 Commission . 15 MS . FISHER : It ' s a township road . 16 MR . GUERARD : Yes . That ' s true , but 17 I ' m saying that ' s not my decision to make , 18 and -- but certainly one of these accesses would 19 have to be built when these two properties 20 develop in order to do that , because as I ' ve 21 said, right now this is the only dedicated 22 right-of-way . 23 MS . FISHER : So , in other words , you 24 are going to take your construction equipment in Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 18 1 that way, down Walnut Drive? 2 MR . GUERARD : Yes , that ' s probably 3 true . There is no other way to get it there . I 4 mean -- 5 MS . FISHER : So you have to build 6 Walnut -- you have to build the road -- 7 MR . GUERARD : That ' s correct . 8 MS . FISHER : -- in order to put it 9 in there right in front of our house . 10 MR . GUERARD : That ' s true . 11 MS . FISHER : That ' s not what was 12 explained to us in the beginning . 13 MR . GUERARD : Certainly not by me . 14 MS . FISHER : No, it wasn ' t . It was 15 explained that this would be an emergency 16 entrance only and that the main entrance would 17 be the -- what you consider the private drive off 18 of St . Joseph . 19 MR . GUERARD : Well , and certainly 20 that was the -- I mean, I agree the original 21 intent was for that to be the case because , you 22 know, that road is physically here . It ' s built . 23 MS . FISHER : Uh-huh . It is , into 24 the woods . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 19 1 MR . GUERARD : But if access isn ' t 2 allowed. there , then what ' s the answer? I don ' t 3 know, you know . 4 So I believe that ' s the best 5 answer that I can give regarding the questions 6 right now . That ' s the best information I have 7 today . 8 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is 9 there anyone else? Yes , sir . 10 WHEREUPON : 11 GLENN KLEEFISCH, 12 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 13 MR . KLEEFISCH : I don ' t know what 14 the answer is . 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Name , address . 16 MR . KLEEFISCH : Glenn Kleefisch, 8 17 Walnut Drive . 18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 19 MR . KLEEFISCH : I don ' t know what 20 the answer is honestly, to tell you the truth, 21 but I just don ' t want it to be Walnut Drive . 22 MR . GUERARD : I understand . 23 MR . KLEEFISCH : Very simple . 24 WHEREUPON : Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983- 0030 20 1 LOUISE KLEEFISCH, 2 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 3 MS . KLEEFISCH : Louise Kleefisch, 8 4 Walnut Drive . I am his mom. When this happens , 5 what about all this traffic coming down? You 6 know, there are people , too, there are homes , 7 they do work, there are children there, there are 8 grandchildren there . 9 If there is a lot of traffic 10 coming down . What ' s going to -- I mean, I mean , 11 people have to sleep, too . I don ' t know . 12 A lot happened when they did 13 Orchard Road . We had a lot of that traffic when 14 they put that in coming down 71 . I mean, it ' s so 15 unbelievable , you know, how noisy it can be . 16 I mean, we ' ll just have to stay 17 up 24 hours I guess . I don ' t know . There ' s 18 going to be a lot of traffic . I don ' t know if 19 that ' s going to end up as an emergency . 20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : There was a man 21 here who wanted to talk . 22 WHEREUPON : 23 RICHARD ALLEN, 24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 GZ 1 MR . ALLEN : My name is Richard 2 Allen, I live at 2095 Muirfield Drive , which is 3 on the other side of the street closest to the 4 subdivision . 5 I am probably the most impacted 6 in terms of my -- the visibility of the 7 subdivision . I am immediately to the northeast 8 of the top right building there , and I am also 9 adjacent to St . Joseph ' s Drive , although I ' m set 10 back about 40 feet I think probably from 11 St . Joseph ' s Way . 12 My concern is that there is 13 going to be a lot of traffic on St . Joseph ' s Way, 14 and I don ' t see the way out of this dilemma 15 except probably corporate lawyers are going to 16 get together and work out an agreement whereby 17 St . Joseph ' s Way is no longer a private drive I 18 am supposing . 19 I am hoping that ' s not the 20 case , and the reason that ' s so is because I have 21 children that play in that area , and when we 22 bought the property, we knew that these two 23 drives , St . Joseph ' s Way, which is the connection 24 going into the Wynstone development, and Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 22 1 Muirfield Drive , which is perpendicular to that 2 and goes off to the north, these two roads are 3 the obvious way that somebody coming out of the 4 subdivision that ' s planned would use to get to 5 work probably via Route 71 . 6 So they ' re either going to 7 continue on St . Joseph ' s Way and then turn left 8 on Village View, or they ' re going to go out 9 St . Joseph ' s Way, make a left turn onto Muirfield 10 Drive . 11 Now, both of those roads are 12 private roads , which to me mean that they -- 13 first of all , they have -- we have the 14 expectation of privacy by them being a private 15 road . 16 When we bought, it was with the 17 expectation that that would be a place where 18 there would be a road with a small volume of 19 traffic and our children could play there 20 safely . 21 I don ' t see -- My last 22 understanding is talking to the Lennar people , 23 and also I also talked to some of the Wynstone 24 people , was that I thought they implied that Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 23 1 Walnut Street would be the logical principal 2 entrance because it connects only after about 50 3 feet , or maybe a hundred feet I think, to 4 Route 71 . 5 MS . FISHER : Oh , no , and then say 6 five acres . 7 MR . ALLEN : I understand their 8 objection, I wouldn ' t want it either , but what I 9 mean is their main street through that 10 subdivision aligns with Walnut Street after -- I 11 mean , that ' s probably where people are going to 12 want to go in and out of the subdivision I think . 13 But I can also see that that 14 could wind up being blocked by an objection or by 15 it only being an emergency entrance ; however , 16 that would leave only at the present time 17 St . Joseph ' s Drive as the way of getting in and 18 out of the subdivision, and I ' m hoping this is 19 not going to be resolved by some corporate 20 lawyers getting together and deciding to, let ' s 21 say, share the costs . 22 All that would be totally 23 objectionable . I would think that would be a 24 minimum requirement because right now we are Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983- 0030 24 1 paying for the maintenance of those roads . 2 We have to pay to have them 3 plowed in the winter, we have to pay to maintain 4 them, to service them, we will yet have to put 5 the final surfacing on I believe , and, you know, 6 if we have to pay for it , it doesn ' t seem 7 reasonable that another subdivision should have 8 the benefit of going over those roads for the 9 access into the subdivision . 10 I ' m a little bit surprised that 11 they haven ' t made a greater effort to make a 12 major connection out to Route 47 ; however, I have 13 talked to some people who have told me that that 14 might be impractical because there is a big pool 15 of water for one thing right now and they ' d have 16 to level that out . 17 Also, I understand that that ' s 18 commercially zoned, the woods area right there 19 between the subdivision and Route 47 , so they 20 would have to have -- come to some agreement 21 with the corporate interests that own the 22 property . 23 But still to me it seems to be 24 a lot more logical than coming out of there and Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 25 1 then having to go through a network of roads to 2 get up to the major road they are probably 3 wanting to get to most of the time , Route 71 . 4 Again, my major interest in 5 this is because I ' m adjacent to the property, our 6 children play there , you will get a lot more 7 traffic through there, and also, again, that 8 something needs to be done about the cost 9 sharing . 10 I think if I had my druthers , 11 I ' d druther that it is public roads , at least we 12 wouldn ' t be paying for it . Still I would be 13 dissatisfied because right now it ' s supposed to 14 be private for us . Thank you . 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is 16 there anyone else? 17 MS . FISHER : May I ? In the morning 18 if I go out and try to get off of Walnut Drive 19 between six and nine o ' clock, I have to sit there 20 for at least ten minutes and take my life in my 21 hands when I pull out because of the traffic , and 22 it takes me at least 20 minutes to get to 23 Route 26 -- 126 , and that ' s how bad the traffic 24 is past Walnut Drive , between 47 -- off of 47 and Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 26 1 71 there , and it is just horrendous trying to get 2 out during those times , and I can ' t imagine what 3 it would be like if you ' re going to have more 4 traffic going out of Walnut Drive . 5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank 6 you . We have a very long list , I ' m going to 7 quickly go through it just to make sure that we 8 have touched on everything and possibly we can 9 move on . 10 We talked about Walnut Street , 11 which is a private gravel road with no base -- 12 gravel base, we have talked about fire trucks not 13 being able to turn, we have talked about knocking 14 down trees , ownership of Walnut Road, people not 15 wanting to use it as an entrance of any kind, we 16 mentioned the letter from the Marciniaks , which I 17 believe is entered into the minutes , St . Joseph ' s 18 Way is a private road, we ' re worried about 19 traffic and children, there ' s going to be a lot 20 of traffic on St . Joseph ' s Way, people that have 21 moved there expected privacy and a small number 22 of cars , and we just discussed the level of 23 traffic in the area . I believe we have -- That ' s 24 an exhaustive list . Okay . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 27 1 If no one has -- Yes , sir . 2 MR . ALLEN : I just wanted -- There 3 is a dashed line around the St . Joseph ' s Way area 4 there . I am wondering what that implies . 5 MR . WADEN : It ' s just a detail 6 showing the monument entrance of the -- coming 7 into -- the plantings and so forth that would be 8 there . It ' s just depicting that there is a 9 detail on this sheet , so that ' s what was proposed 10 for planting and vegetation . 11 MR . ALLEN : What are the green 12 things there? 13 MR . WADEN : These? Trees . 14 MR . ALLEN : Oh, trees . Is there 15 going to have to be any widening of St . Joseph ' s 16 Way if they do make that an access ? 17 MR . WADEN : Our road will be 32 feet 18 back . 19 MR . ALLEN : With the same roads ? 20 MR . WADEN : Currently? Currently, I 21 don ' t know . 22 MR . ALLEN : I think it ' s 25 feet . 23 I ' m not certain . Is that a problem? Does that 24 have to be widened? Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 28 1 MR . GUERARD : I am sure we will not 2 be widening the roads in the existing townhome 3 subdivision . They would be matched . The 4 engineering would require that . 5 MR . WHITEHOUSE : The plan shows it 6 at 29 feet wide at the property line and widening 7 out to 32 on your plan . That ' s what it shows , so 8 the assumption would be it ' s 29 feet wide as it 9 exists . 10 MR . ALLEN : Also they show at least 11 on the plan that I had a connection to an 12 existing sidewalk going up to Muirfield Court . 13 I don ' t think there is any 14 sidewalk planned, though, there , so a sidewalk 15 would probably terminate at the line , I believe . 16 I mean, unless Lennar is going to install a 17 sidewalk later, but right now the way the 18 buildings are laid out , there is no room for the 19 sidewalk . 20 MR . GUERARD : There is preliminary 21 engineering, much more detailed engineering, and 22 studies would be prepared before they -- before 23 we would go to the next step, so maybe that ' s 24 correct , maybe that will be adjusted . But this Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 29 1 is a preliminary look at this time . 2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : I think we 3 have -- Sounds like we have addressed all the 4 concerns . 5 Do we have a motion to close 6 this public hearing and move on to the next? 7 MR . JONES : So moved . 8 MR . DAVIS : Second . 9 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : All in favor say 10 aye . 11 (A Chorus of Ayes ) 12 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Not in favor, 13 nay? 14 (No Response ) 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : The next one . I 16 need a motion for the next one . 17 MR . KRAUPPNER : For a public 18 hearing , I move . 19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So moved . The 20 next public hearing is PC 2005-08 , McCue Builders 21 and Youth Camp Association of District 12 and 13 , 22 Polish National Alliance of the United States of 23 America . 24 Do I have a motion to open Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 30 1 that? 2 MR . CROUCH : So moved . 3 MR . JONES : Second . 4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Any time you are 5 ready . 6 WHEREUPON : 7 GREGG INGEMUNSON, 8 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 9 MR . INGEMUNSON : Okay . Gregg 10 Ingemunson on behalf of petitioner . How are you 11 guys doing? Good so far, right? 12 MR . SCHILLINGER : Tired . 13 MR . INGEMUNSON : I ' ll get to it 14 quickly . What we are planning on doing here, we 15 have 60 acres just south of the jail and we ' d 16 like to rezone it . 17 We have 83 lots on the western 18 edge , which would be south of the jail , we ' d like 19 to rezone R-4 , and 52 lots -- or, excuse me , 53 20 lots and maybe two lots to the west, 52 lots of 21 single-family R-2 to the east, with a 4 . 41 acre 22 park in the southeastern corner, which is -- 23 Blackberry Creek runs just barely in the tip of 24 the corner here . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 31 1 So we think it would be -- make 2 sense for a transitional type zoning over here 3 because it ' s just south of the jail , with the 4 jail expansion and what not . 5 To the west is -- Right now 6 it ' s undeveloped, but there is word that there ' s 7 going to be possibly townhouses to the west , the 8 McCavo (phonetic ) property . g The lots on the western edge 10 there , what we ' d like to do -- I think in your 11 packet -- I hope you guys all got a packet . You 12 guys got a packet with elevations and -- 13 MR . CROUCH : We did . 14 MR . INGEMUNSON : Okay, good . What 15 we would like to do is an age-targeted 16 development where we have upscale villas priced 17 about 275 , 000 to 325 , with lots running a minimum 18 of 8400 up to 12 , 000 square feet , which would be 19 essentially upscale for an age targeted, older 20 people , they would like to go in with less yard, 21 yard maintenance , and a nicer home . 22 And we have two wet detention 23 ponds , and we also have proposed a passive park, 24 which we have some photographs here, and we have Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 32 1 a front called a wood portico, which your guess 2 is as good as mine what that actually is , it ' s a 3 word I just learned tonight , but it actually 4 comes in the front here . 5 You can see this section of the 6 park here , the front area , it ' s like a 7 gazebo-type entranceway, and there would be a 8 walking path and a park area that we think would 9 be attractive given all the mature trees and the 10 nice area of the park, keep it in there in a 11 passive nature . 12 Does anyone have any questions ? 13 (No response ) 14 MR . SCHILLINGER : Anybody in the 15 audience? 16 (No Response ) 17 MR . INGEMUNSON : That ' s too easy . 18 You have to have some questions out there , don ' t 19 you? I spoke too soon . 20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : He is ready . 21 WHEREUPON : 22 BOB MANDERNACK, 23 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 24 MR . MANDERNACK: My name is Bob Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983- 0030 33 1 Mandernack, 1343 Cannonball , 45 feet away from 2 the fence . 3 MR . INGEMUNSON : Which fence ? 4 MR . MANDERNACK : Up at the upper 5 right-hand corner . 6 MR . INGEMUNSON : Right here , this 7 one? 8 MR . MANDERNACK : My house is on the 9 west side of Cannonball . 10 MR . INGEMUNSON : Okay . 11 MR . MANDERNACK : The last house on 12 Cannonball . What I can ' t understand is how we ' re 13 going to handle 130 odd families in addition to 14 the 50 odd that live there now, and all of the 15 courthouse traffic and the health department 16 traffic and the police department traffic and the 17 jail supply and pick up and all the businesses at 18 the corner of Cannonball and John , when right now 19 it ' s a joke . 20 It has yield signs up on it 21 that people don ' t understand . The traffic is 22 going to be obscene . All of this stuff will have 23 to be built , which means all the infrastructure 24 has to come down that road . I see no Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 34 1 construction road anywhere . 2 And I can ' t believe that you ' d 3 stub one off the west end and not run it over to 4 34 so that you could get stuff in and out, and 5 not carry it down the road that all this traffic 6 is on . 7 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , if I could 8 respond to that . We can ' t run it to 34 because 9 the jail is there . There ' s no -- We can ' t 10 run -- 11 MR . MANDERNACK : You go off that 12 stub , yeah . 13 MR . INGEMUNSON : This stub here . 14 MR . MANDERNACK : Yeah . 15 MR . INGEMUNSON : I think it ' s 16 anticipated -- 17 MR . MANDERNACK : It ' s a farm. 18 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , no, I know, 19 but I think it ' s anticipated that the Beecher 20 Road is going to come down here and a lot of this 21 traffic is going to go the west , catch a road, 22 and go up 34 . 23 MR . MANDERNACK : Not for years , you 24 know that . When you are building this , it ' s Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 35 1 going to be a circus , if somebody doesn ' t get 2 killed, then it won ' t be so funny . 3 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , I don ' t know 4 if people are going to get killed here . I mean, 5 that ' s a little bit of a stretch, don ' t you 6 think? 7 MR . MANDERNACK : Okay . That corner 8 is going to be a humdinger . 9 MR . INGEMUNSON : I know that , I 10 drive that all the time . That yield sign is 11 pretty simple to understand . I drive that all 12 the time because I go to court there quite a bit , 13 so I know -- 14 MR . MANDERNACK : Lots of people do, 15 don ' t they? You bet . They go there -- 16 MR . INGEMUNSON : I go to court 17 there . That yield sign, it says yield, so what 18 do you do when a yield sign says yield? 19 MR . MANDERNACK : You say there is 20 nothing wrong, so there is nothing wrong . That ' s 21 all . 22 MR . INGEMUNSON : I just responding 23 to your allegation, that ' s all . 24 MS . GATES : Will there be just one Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 36 1 road into this subdivision? 2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Ma ' am, ma ' am, 3 could you state your name , please? Thank you . 4 WHEREUPON : 5 FAYE GATES , 6 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 7 MS . GATES : Faye Gates , and I live 8 on Cannonball . We are concerned that there is 9 going to be only one road in, which means 10 Cannonball , right? 11 MR . INGEMUNSON : It ' s not going to 12 stay that way . 13 MS . GATES : Beg your pardon? 14 MR . INGEMUNSON : It won ' t stay that 15 way . 16 MS . GATES : Are you coming in off of 17 River Road? 18 MR . INGEMUNSON : There is a road 19 here , stubbed there , and also River Road stubbed 20 there . 21 MS . GATES : Will you do that right 22 away or is this like -- 23 MR . INGEMUNSON : We can ' t control 24 that because those aren ' t our properties . We can Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 37 1 stub them in so when they do develop , there will 2 be access from Boulder Road as well as Beecher 3 Road goes over here up to 34 , so we will have 4 that prepared for the future . 5 MS . GATES : Now, will all this 6 construction equipment come in off from 7 Cannonball? S MR . INGEMUNSON : It depends on when 9 the property gets developed, it depends on when 10 the housing gets developed and also depends on 11 when the other things develop . 12 Well , then it is obviously 13 foreseeable that they could come down this 14 direction, but your guess is as good as mine 15 there . I don ' t know the answer . 16 MS . GATES : I think you ' re unaware 17 of all the serious accidents we ' ve already got 18 right on the corner 34 and Cannonball . If you 19 are talking about all these new people, it ' s 20 unbelievable . 21 MR . INGEMUNSON : There is a stop 22 light there . 23 MS . GATES : It doesn ' t seem to 24 matter . Now, if you tear up Cannonball getting Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 38 1 your construction equipment in, who is going to 2 be responsible for repairing it? 3 MR . INGEMUNSON : How do you say tear 4 it up? How would you tear up a road? It ' s a 5 built road . 6 MS . GATES : These are going to be 7 huge trucks and everything going in there . 8 MR . INGEMUNSON : Apparently those 9 trucks go on other roads . Are you saying trucks 10 are -- this is going to be the only time trucks 11 go over roads and destroy them? 12 WHEREUPON : 13 SEAN MICHAELS , 14 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 15 MR . MICHAELS : Could I address your 16 concern about the traffic? Because there is a 17 perception that there is a lot of heavy equipment 18 in the traffic . 19 The excavator we use is one 20 backhoe -- I am Sean Michaels with McCue . 21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 22 MR . MICHAELS : Sean Michaels . There 23 is one backhoe that usually comes in when we 24 build foundations and then we have cement trucks Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 39 1 and they have weight limits on the roads , and 2 then typically once a foundation is poured and 3 it ' s been backfilled, it ' s a pickup truck and 4 some cars . 5 MS . GATES : Cement trucks . 6 MR . MICHAELS : Well , they had to 7 come in for your house and other houses around 8 there , but it ' s not too often that they come in, 9 and, again, they meet the weight limits posted by 10 the city . 11 MS . GATES : Now, you are not going 12 to use like what I call the River Road at all ? 13 MR . INGEMUNSON : It doesn ' t get 14 there yet . We can ' t get to River Road yet 15 because we don ' t go all the way down to River 16 Road . 17 MR . MICHAELS : Maybe show them the 18 aerial . 19 MR . MANDERNACK : Also -- 20 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Hold on . Hold 21 on . One at a time , please . 22 MR . INGEMUNSON : The jail is over 23 here and the 60 acres on the north edge of the 24 PNA camp, River Road is down here , south of this Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 40 1 aerial . 2 MS . GATES : See , that wouldn ' t help 3 with all that congestion . People could come in 4 off of River Road rather than always Cannonball . 5 MR . INGEMUNSON : I really think this 6 is going to be developed faster than to the 7 south . 8 MS . GATES : Do you think all this 9 traffic will yield to the sheriffs and -- 10 MR . INGEMUNSON : Well , there is 11 yield signs there . I mean, they are supposed to , 12 right? 13 MR . SCHILLINGER : It ' s the law . 14 MS . GATES : It ' s the law, but it 15 doesn ' t happen on this corner, believe me . 16 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Have we 17 addressed all of your concerns at this point? 18 MS . GATES : Okay . 19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . Thank 20 you . 21 MR . MANDERNACK : If he says all of 22 this traffic is a handful of pickup trucks , you 23 and I know it ' s a joke . Every brick in that 24 thing has to be carried in on a truck , all of the Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 41 1 cement , 20-yard trucks , have to come in on 2 trucks . The trusses come in on trucks . 3 MR . MICHAELS : We have three 4 deliveries of wood . 5 MR . MANDERNACK : We have seen 6 buildings built . 7 MR . MICHAELS : Okay . I don ' t want 8 to argue with you, I am just telling you . 9 MR . MANDERNACK : That ' s what I am 10 talking about and you know what I am talking 11 about . 12 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . It sounds 13 like the issues that we have -- Yes , sir . Name 14 and -- 15 MR . MANDERNACK : It sounds like 16 someone should consider a construction road that 17 is either properly leased and torn up afterwards 18 or bought . 19 MR . CROUCH : Sir, we have heard your 20 concern . 21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Please . 22 WHEREUPON : 23 RICHARD BRUMMEL, 24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 42 1 MR . BRUMMEL : I am the adjoining 2 property . 3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Your name , sir? 4 MR. BRUMMEL : Richard Brummel . 5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 6 MR . BRUMMEL : I am on Independence . 7 You are bordering the property . 8 MR . INGEMUNSON : Is this 9 Independence right here? 10 MR . BRUMMEL : Yes , it is , and right 11 here , and I border right here . Adjoining 12 property . 13 What are you going to do with 14 this ? 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you share 16 the question? Share the -- 17 MR . CROUCH : Gentlemen, we can ' t 18 understand what you are talking about . 19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Could you share 20 the question? 21 MR . BRUMMEL : He was showing me the 22 map . I ' m sorry . 23 MR . INGEMUNSON : Show us where you 24 live . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 43 1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : No, that ' s fine . 2 Show us where you live and what your concern is . 3 MR . BRUMMEL : I am the adjoining 4 property right here -- 5 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . 6 MR . BRUMMEL : -- and the concern, 7 they are going to put a berm in here or what are 8 you trying to do? I want to know how many units 9 you are putting in . 10 MR . INGEMUNSON : 53 in the R-2 and 11 82 in the R-4 . 12 MR . BRUMMEL : And you are going to 13 serve all that with one entrance? 14 MR . INGEMUNSON : At the beginning . 15 MR . BRUMMEL : No, wait a second . At 16 the beginning , you are going to build this with 17 one entrance , right? 18 MR . INGEMUNSON : You have to let me 19 finish . Can I finish now? 20 MR . BRUMMEL : Go ahead . 21 MR . INGEMUNSON : When we begin a 22 project , there will be one entrance . We don ' t 23 know when this entrance will be available . There 24 will be three entrance/exits eventually . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 44 1 MR . BRUMMEL : It ' s not a one-year 2 project , but a ten-year project? 3 MR . INGEMUNSON : You know, it ' s -- 4 What do you think as far as how long the 5 build-out is going to be? 6 MR . McCUE : I would say, you know, 7 90 percent of the property would be done within 8 three to four years , if not earlier . Three years 9 probably . 10 MR . BRUMMEL : In other words , you 11 are going to put all the streets and curbs in? 12 MR . McCUE : All the streets will go 13 in at one time . 14 MR . BRUMMEL : Okay . The poles and 15 loading dirt -- I ' m sorry . 16 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can you -- 17 MR . BRUMMEL : I ' m sorry . They will 18 be moving dirt , construction and hauling gravel 19 in before you start building a house -- 20 MR . McCUE : Yes . 21 MR . BRUMMEL : -- before one house is 22 built . 23 MR . McCUE : Right . 24 MR . BRUMMEL : All of this up here . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 45 1 MR . McCUE : When the tractors come 2 in, they will sit there basically . 3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Excuse me . Can 4 you please state your name? 5 WHEREUPON : 6 BILL McCUE , 7 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 8 MR . McCUE : Bill McCue with McCue 9 Builders . 10 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 11 MR . McCUE : I would say we are 12 looking at three months to four months to put all 13 the sewer and streets in , so when the tractors 14 come in, they will come in one time . They will 15 sit there basically until it ' s done . Then there 16 will be gravel brought in before the roads , 17 but -- 18 MR . BRUMMEL : But they will all be 19 serviced from one road? 20 MR . McCUE : Yes . 21 MR . BRUMMEL : The sewer lines , the 22 gas lines , the telephone lines , and the concrete 23 for the streets or blacktop, everything is coming 24 in on one road? Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 46 1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . We have 2 already addressed that issue , not to be rude, 3 okay? 4 Is there something other than 5 the construction materials coming in on the road 6 that we need to discuss? 7 MR . BRUMMEL : He didn ' t answer on 8 the berm. 9 MR . INGEMUNSON : There is going to 10 be a berm -- There is not a planned berm on the 11 eastern edge of the plan, but it is planned south 12 of the jail right here . 13 MR . BRUMMEL : What are you planning 14 for here? 15 MR . INGEMUNSON : We ' re not planning 16 a berm there . 17 MR . McCUE : There is nothing going 18 there . 19 MR . INGEMUNSON : Those lots are all 20 pretty deep, so houses probably won ' t be over 21 there . 22 MR . BRUMMEL : Thank you . 23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . Is 24 there anyone else on this one? Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 47 1 (No Response ) 2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Can I have a 3 motion to close this public hearing? 4 MR . DAVIS : So moved . 5 MR . JONES : Second . 6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So moved, 7 second . All in favor? 8 (A Chorus of Ayes ) 9 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Opposed? 10 (No Response ) 11 MR . SCHILLINGER : And, before you go 12 to the next one , can I just ask that every month 13 there is public hearings and every month there is 14 new faces . I ' d just like to make sure that 15 everybody knows that there will be more 16 discussion to follow after the public hearing on 17 the same projects -- 18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Right . I think 19 that ' s why they came back . 20 MR . SCHILLINGER : -- so it would be 21 in your best interests to stick around . 22 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Absolutely . And 23 the other point I was going to make as well , I 24 don ' t know if you guys have any copies of the Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 48 1 agenda , but basically what they are doing right 2 now, these guys are just looking for annexation 3 and rezoning, and then they ' re going to come back 4 with PUD, and the PUD is something that the City 5 really has to negotiate and work through with 6 them, so it ' s not something that ' s just going 7 to -- It probably will look very different from 8 what you are seeing . 9 MR . INGEMUNSON : I thought that we 10 had a preliminary plat also called up today as 11 well . Tony had said that he already amended that 12 to include the preliminary plat . 13 MR . WHITEHOUSE : It ' s on the 14 agenda . 15 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : It doesn ' t say 16 that . 17 MAYOR PROCHASKA : It ' s on the 18 amended agenda . 19 MR . SCHOPPE : Based on the 20 application that they filed, they are asking for 21 a planned unit development . 22 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Are they? All 23 right . 24 MR . SCHOPPE : So with that planned Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983- 0030 49 1 unit development , along with that would come the 2 approval of the preliminary plat and other 3 documents that are submitted . 4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . They gave 5 us two agendas , so I am dealing with two . 6 All right . The third one is PC 7 2005-14 , which is Bobby and Debbie Dearborn . 8 They would like to rezone an R-2 one-family 9 residence district lot to B-2 general district . 10 Can we take these two 11 together? They are right next to each other, am 12 I correct? 13 WHEREUPON : 14 BOB PILMER, 15 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 16 MR . PILMER : Right . My name is Bob 17 Pilmer . I am here on behalf of Mr . and Mrs . 18 Dearborn . 19 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : One is 201 South 20 Main and the other one is 204 South Hydraulic . 21 Are they the same? 22 MR . PILMER : Well , they are 23 adjoining properties . You can look at the survey 24 in the packet . You can see that one -- one Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 50 1 parcel is at the corner of Hydraulic and Main, 2 the other parcel fronts on Hydraulic , but has a 3 garage and a driveway entrance off of Main 4 Street , so they are two separate parcels , but 5 they are -- 6 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Do you want to 7 discuss them separately or take it as two? It ' s 8 up to you . 9 MR . PILMER : It ' s really at the 10 convenience of the board, so whatever is -- 11 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Why don ' t we 12 talk about -- 13 MR . PILMER : What I was going to say 14 for one I was going to say for both, so -- 15 MR . CROUCH : So moved . 16 MR . SCHILLINGER : Second . 17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : So we will take 18 2005-14 and 15 together . 19 MR . PILMER : Again, my name is Bob 20 Pilmer . I am here on behalf of Robert and 21 Deborah Dearborn, who own the two parcels of 22 property . 23 This is on , again, the corner 24 of Hydraulic and Main Street , it would be the Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 51 1 southwest corner kind of across from the post 2 office to the north , and I believe it ' s either 3 the Ameritech or SBC building would be to the 4 east , and we are seeking a change in zoning from 5 residential to B-2 , and -- which we believe would 6 be -- there is a variety of zoning in the 7 surrounding area , some B-2 and B-3 , some 8 residential , but we believe that the change in 9 zoning here would be consistent with the 10 surrounding properties , it would be appropriate 11 for the area . 12 In the packet you will notice 13 that the home for Hydraulic would be 14 remaining -- at 204 Hydraulic would be remaining 15 there . 16 There is currently a tenant in 17 the property that would probably continue to be 18 used as rental property . 19 The Main Street property, there 20 was an existing home on there that has been 21 demolished, and the plan is to -- for the 22 development of a -- more of a retail building on 23 that property, which if there is questions about 24 that , Mr . Dearborn could address . Any questions Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 52 1 or -- 2 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : We ' ll address 3 that when we go into our session later , but is 4 there anyone out here that has any questions or 5 issues? 6 (No response ) 7 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Name and 8 address . 9 WHEREUPON : 10 DARRELL BUSCH, 11 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 12 MR . BUSCH : Darrell Busch . I live 13 on Van Emmon . I ' ve got property adjoining it . I 14 was concerned about what kind of business is 15 going to be there , how tall the building will be , 16 what kind of foot traffic would be there , what 17 about parking . 18 MR . PILMER : Well , and I can show 19 you the sketch here as far as the parking . As 20 far as the type of building, Mr . Dearborn will 21 address that . 22 WHEREUPON : 23 BOB DEARBORN, 24 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 53 1 MR . DEARBORN : Bob Dearborn . It ' s a 2 two-story, 26 feet on the side and multi-use 3 retail stores on the ground floor, parking in the 4 front , as across the street is . Common building, 5 masonry . Landscaping goes around, tied around . 6 I think for your back corner, I 7 don ' t think there is a problem. For this 8 building here the garage still stays up, the back 9 corner , and so does the house . 10 MR . BUSCH : So something like that I 11 don ' t have a problem with, but could he after 12 this rezone? Could it become a gas station? 13 MR . JONES : Not if it ' s under B-2 . 14 MR . SCHOPPE : A gas station is not 15 an allowable use under B-2 , so if they did want 16 to put a gas station down there , they would have 17 to come back to the City and request rezoning to 18 allow that to happen . 19 MR . DEARBORN : It ' s a two-story 20 retail . 21 MR . BUSCH : And then after this is 22 rezoned, is there a good chance that this could 23 just keep going down the block I assume . 24 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Your guess is as Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 54 1 good as ours . There you go . Does anyone else 2 have any other questions ? 3 (No Response ) 4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Okay . The -- 5 WHEREUPON : 6 RICHARD ROUTER, 7 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 8 MR . ROUTER : Yes . Richard Router , 9 117 West Van Emmon . My question is why are we 10 zoning two lots in that block? Why don ' t we do 11 the whole block instead of -- instead of just the 12 two lots? 13 Now, I ' m zoned business across 14 the street and it doesn ' t bother me a bit being 15 business , but I ' d like to see the whole block or 16 none . You are stripping, is what you ' re doing . 17 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : We can ' t control 18 what other people do . They would have to come 19 here and get that and make a request for that 20 zoning if they wanted it . 21 MR . ROUTER : I didn ' t have to do it 22 years ago . 23 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : I know . Is 24 there anything from anyone else ? Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 55 I WHEREUPON : 2 DAVID SCHMELZLE , 3 testified before the Plan Commission as follows : 4 MR . SCHMELZLE : David Schmelzle , 5 2076 , straight down the block west . My question 6 would be is the proposed zoning here consistent 7 with some of the plans that the City has looked 8 at as far as the big picture of the downtown? g A lot of these people here are 10 talking about their homes and how it ' s going to 11 be affected . 12 Some of us here look at those 13 plans and our homes are no longer there , and I 14 was just curious because we ' re trying to get a 15 picture of what ' s going to happen down there , and 16 we are directly affected by our homes being gone , 17 and my question would be is this part of that 18 plan or has that been considered and how does 19 that work? Maybe I am way ahead of the game 20 here , I don ' t know, but I think we are looking at 21 the future . We have to . 22 MR . DEARBORN : I have met with those 23 planners three times , Gavin Associates , and I 24 showed them these plans and it follows with their Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 56 1 plans , the Main Street , whole downtown . 2 So it is going to -- the middle 3 part -- I don ' t know if you remember , the middle 4 part is kind of U-shaped buildings around, and 5 since the railroads are on the north side, those 6 are always going to be kind of looking down, the 7 inside of the buildings will be inside looking 8 park areas looking down the river , so it ' s kind 9 of -- it will go up -- like this and the Zieger 10 (phonetic) property will go straight up and then 11 across Van Emmon and then back down, you know, in 12 years to come , and that fits in with what they 13 want . So -- 14 MR . SCHMELZLE : I guess my next 15 question would be is going to be -- in the 16 residential areas downtown is this going to be -- 17 this kind of zoning approved regularly, because I 18 guess my concern would be the residential 19 business mix, where that will definitely affect 20 property values . 21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : That ' s why they 22 are here, so that we can look at it and see how 23 the master plan is going to work . 24 MR . DEARBORN : And I am keeping the Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 57 1 one house there . There is two pieces of 2 property, there ' s still -- 3 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : And that ' s why 4 we have public hearings , so that you can come and 5 say what you think and tell us how you feel , and 6 then we try to take it into consideration . 7 MR . SCHMELZLE : I guess my last 8 comment would be please take into consideration 9 those of us that live there how we ' re going to be 10 impacted by this , and I know it doesn ' t have to 11 be a negative impact , but we ' re looking at this 12 because that ' s our biggest investment we have , 13 and this is definitely going to affect us . 14 MR . SCHILLINGER : Some of us on this 15 panel live in that same area that you are talking 16 about . 17 MR . SCHMELZLE : Thank you . 18 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : It looks like 19 that ' s it . Thank you, sir . 20 MR . PILMER : Thank you . 21 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : And do we have a 22 motion to close the last two public hearings? 23 MR . CROUCH : So moved . 24 MR . SCHILLINGER : Second . Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 58 1 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Are we all in 2 favor? 3 (A Chorus of Ayes ) 4 CHAIRMAN LUCIETTO : Thank you . 5 (Which were all the 6 proceedings had in 7 the public hearings . ) g ---000--- 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo Court Reporting Service ( 630 ) 983-0030 59 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) ss : 2 COUNTY OF LASALLE ) 3 4 CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, being first duly 5 sworn, on oath says that she is a Certified 6 Shorthand Reporter doing business in the State of 7 Illinois ; 8 That she reported in shorthand the 9 proceedings had at the foregoing public hearings ; 10 And that the foregoing is a true and 11 correct transcript of her shorthand notes so 12 taken as aforesaid and contains all the 13 proceedings had at the said public hearings . 14 IN WITNESS WHEREOF I e hereunto set 15 my hand this / y of 16 2005 . 17 18 19 20 _ ___________ CHRISTI M . 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Commission Public Hearing Dear Ms. Jacquelyn Milschewski: We reside at 29 Walnut Drive. Due to a previous commitment,we are unable to attend the Wednesday,May 11, 2005 Public Hearing regarding the rezoning that Wyndham Deerpoint Homes is requesting, i.e., R-3 General Residence District Planned Unit Development from R-3 General Residence District. Our concerns are as follow: 1. The additional traffic will decrease property values for all homeowners on Walnut Drive; 2. Walnut Drive was not built to support any increase in traffic; and 3. Any additional traffic will cause a significant disruption to us and our neighbors on Walnut Drive. In April,2004,the residents of 29 and 30 Walnut Drive asked Marry Schwartz, Kendall County Highway Commissioner,if the right-of-way at the south end of Walnut Drive was available for acquisition. We were told the City had no long term plans for Walnut Drive, and that if we paid for the survey,the township would proceed with the vacation of the land. The survey was completed last summer and it was our understanding that the township was continuing the steps to vacate the land. We still want to pursue the transfer of this property to us. Ms. Jacquelyn Milschewski: April 28,2005 Page 2 We strongly urge the planning commission to recommend that Wyndham Deerpoint Homes pursue another area for their second entrance/exit/emergency or otherwise and not use Walnut Drive. Thank you for your time and consideration. r Richard Marciniak Lydia Marciniak