Plan Commission Minutes 2005 10-12-05 Page 1 of 4
APPROVED 2/8/06
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMISSION
YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12,2005
Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Anne Lucietto, Sandra Adams, Michael Crouch, Charles Kraupner,
Clarence Holdiman, Brian Schillinger, Bill Davis, and Tom Lindblom. Members absent:
Jack Jones.
A quorum was established.
CITY STAFF AND VISITORS
Mayor Art Prochaska; City Planner Mike Schoppe; City Attorney John Wyeth; and
Aldermen Marty Munns and Rose Spears. Also see attached sign-in sheet.
MINUTES
Minutes from the May 11, 2005 meeting were approved. Lucietto made a motion to
approve the minutes. Adams seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously
approved by voice vote.
Crouch made a motion to open public hearings. Kraupner seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. PC 2005-32 JS&WD Development,LLC, Harry Anderson and William Galvin,
petition to annex and rezone. See attached.
2. PC 2005-33 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes,JS&WD Development,LLC,Harry
Anderson and William Galvin,Jr., petition to annex and rezone. See attached.
Lucietto made a motion to close the public hearings. Crouch seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
OLD BUSINESS
1. PC 2005-43 Daniel A. Laniosz and Hinsbrook Bank Trust#03-008, petition to
annex and rezone.
According to the city's code official Bill Dettmer, the landowner needed to meet three
requirements before he could meet city standards on the property. There had been some
question at the previous meeting as to whether there were some outstanding Kendall
County violations against Laniosz. Apparently those issues have been cleared. Attorney
Dallas Ingemunson,representing the petitioner, said as long as Laniosz complies with the
city's requirements, there shouldn't be a problem.
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William Garrett, who owns the neighboring property, said he opposes the planned
redevelopment. He said he was promised that a 1-acre buffer between his property and
the Laniosz property wouldn't be developed.Now Laniosz intends to build a nursery on
it.
Garrett said he's concerned about runoff onto his land with potential uses under B-3
zoning. He also said B-3 zoning is too broad of a zoning category. Likewise, he's
concerned that B-3 zoning on the Laniosz property will devalue his own property.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend annexation as requested in PC 2005-43. Crouch
seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote. Lucietto,
Adams, Holdiman, Kraupner, Crouch, Schillinger, Davis and Lindblom voted yes.
As for the requested B-3 zoning, City Planner Mike Schoppe said a nursery is specifically
identified under the B-3 zoning category. A nursery is not allowed under special use or in
any other zoning category, he said.
Lucietto said a motion to approve the zoning needs to be phrased so that it can only be
used as a nursery in the event that the property were to be sold and someone would want
it for another use.
Schoppe suggested attaching a development agreement to the zoning. Mayor Art
Prochaska said such an agreement would still make it viable for the property owner to run
his business. But any changes to the business use would have to come back to the city for
approval.
Lucietto then moved to recommend rezoning for PC 2005-43 to B-3 with the restriction
that a development agreement be drafted restricting use of the property for a nursery
business only. The motion failed in a 4-3 vote with one abstention. Adams, Holdiman,
Crouch and Schillinger voted no. Lucietto, Kraupner and Lindblom voted yes. Bill Davis
abstained.
OLD BUSINESS
1. PC 2005-32 JS & WD Development,LLC, Harry Anderson and William Galvin,
Jr., petitioners, application to annex and rezone.
At issue in this proposed development was the number of 10,000 square foot lots. There
are about 76 of them in the proposed development. Rich Guerard, from Wyndham
Deerpoint Homes, said they tried to compromise by placing the 10,000 square foot lots
near open space. However, Lucietto said there are just too many of the 10,000-foot lots in
the development. Guerard countered that this is as much open space as the city will likely
see in a development. While the developers could increase the lots to 12,000 square feet,
it would mean that some of the existing trees on the property and open space would be
lost.
The property consists of 178.3 acres and is located south of Route 71 and west of Legion
Road. Guerard said the homes planned for all of the lots in the subdivision would be
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comparable to homes in the surrounding area. He said plans are to build custom homes
ranging in price from $600,000 to $1 million. So,the planned homes wouldn't negatively
impact the neighboring property values.
The Plan Commissioners also said there isn't enough access to the planned development.
Crouch suggested an emergency access route to High Grove Road.
Also, Guerard said because the developer is working under an annexation agreement,the
development plans would be attached to the agreement. Schoppe added that the Plan
Commission might want to include in its motion for approval that the developers meet the
design objectives outlined in the city's south comprehensive plan. Schoppe also
suggested the commissioners might want to make sure the city staff reviews the concept
plan prior to approval.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend annexation approval as requested in PC 2005-32.
Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote.
Holdiman, Kraupner, Crouch, Schillinger, Davis, Lucietto, Adams and Lindblom voted
yes.
Lucietto moved to recommend zoning approval for PC 2005-32 subject to staff review of
the concept plan and that the plans are consistent tow the design guidelines in the
comprehensive plan. Kraupner seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously
approved in a roll call vote. Kraupner, Crouch, Schillinger, Davis, Lucietto, Adams,
Holdiman and Lindblom voted yes.
2. PC 2005-33 Wyndham Deerpoint Homes,JS&WD Development,LLC,Harry
Anderson and William Galvin,Jr., petitioners, application to annex and rezone to
R-2 One-Family Residence and B-2 General Business District. The property consists
of 154 acres north of Route 71 and west of Pavilion Road.
Davis asked Guerard what types of commercial businesses were planned. Guerard said he
envisions neighborhood type uses such as a convenience store or a daycare center. He
added the commercial development would come after the residential development.
He said the developers would still have to come back to the city for a site plan. Crouch
said while he realizes the plan has to return to the Plan Commission,he said he doesn't
like the idea of traffic going through High View. He also said there are several issues that
have to be addressed including archeological ones.
Crouch made a motion to recommend annexation approval of PC 2005-33. Lucietto
seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a roll call vote. Crouch,
Schillinger, Davis, Lucietto, Adams, Holdiman, Kraupner and Lindblom voted yes.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend zoning approval for PC 2005-33 as requested
subject to staff review and conformance to design guidelines. Crouch seconded the
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motion. The motion was approved in a 6-2 vote. Schillinger, Davis, Lucietto, Holdiman,
Crouch and Lindblom voted yes. Adams and Kraupner voted no.
Lucietto then made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Crouch seconded the motion. The
motion was unanimously approved by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE , ILLINOIS
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting
of the above-entitled matter taken before
CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, C . S . R . , on October 12 ,
2005 , at the hour of 7 : 00 p . m . , at 800 Game Farm
Road, in the City of Yorkville , Illinois .
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1 P R E S E N T :
2 MR . TOM LINDBLOM, Chairman;
3 MR . CLARENCE HOLDIMAN;
4 MS . SANDRA ADAMS ;
5 MS . ANNE LUCIETTO;
6 MR . BILL DAVIS ;
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7 MR . CHARLES KRAUPPNER;
8 MR . MICHAEL CROUCH;
9 MR . BRIAN SCHILLINGER;
10 MR . MIKE SCHOPPE ;
11 MS . DINA GIPS .
12 A P P E A R A N C E S :
. 13 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK
300 East Fifth Avenue , Suite 380
14 Naperville, Illinois 60563
( 630 ) 355-1458
15 BY : MR . JOHN JUSTIN WYETH,
appeared on behalf of the United
16 City of Yorkville , Illinois .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : At this time I
2 would entertain a motion to go to public hearing .
3 MR . CROUCH : Moved .
4 MR . KRAUPPNER : Second .
1 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and
6 seconded to go to public hearing . Is there any
7 discussion on the motion?
g (No Response )
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Hearing none ,
10 those in favor signify by age .
11 (A Chorus of Ayes )
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed?
13 (No Response )
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14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : We are now in
15 public hearing .
16 I would ask that any of you
17 that wish to address the Commission regarding
18 either one of these two public hearings please
19 stand, raise your right hand, and repeat after
20 me .
21 (Witnesses sworn)
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Thank you . The
23 first item is PC 2005-44 -- sorry, got the wrong
24 one . Is PC 2005-32 , JS & JW Development , LLC ,
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1 Harry Anderson and William Galvin, Jr . ,
2 petitioners , have filed an application with the
3 United City of Yorkville , Kendall County,
4 Illinois , requesting annexation to the United
5 City of Yorkville and rezoning from Kendall
6 County A-1 Agricultural to United City of
7 Yorkville R-2 One-Family Residence District .
8 The real property consists of
9 approximately 178 . 3 acres south of Route 71 and
10 west of Legion Road, Kendall Township, Kendall
11 County, Illinois .
12 And who will be speaking on
13 behalf of the petitioners , Rich?
14 WHEREUPON :
15 RICHARD GUERARD,
16 having been first duly sworn, testified before
17 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
18 MR . GUERARD : Yes . Good evening,
19 everyone . My name is Rich Guerard, Wyndham
20 Deerpoint . I am here on behalf of the
21 petitioners of the property .
22 As you stated, we petitioned
23 the city and we are requesting an R-2 zoning
24 under the city ' s ordinance and an annexation, and
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1 it ' s a hearing for those two parcels .
2 If I can just quickly kind of
3 go over the property and give everybody a little
4 bit of background, I ' m sure everybody knows where
5 this piece is .
6 It ' s commonly known as the
7 Anderson farm, it ' s a portion of the property,
8 Route 71 to the north and then Highpoint here is
9 around to the south .
10 It ' s this portion of this
11 subdivision that we are naming Yorkwood Estates ,
12 approximately 178 acres in size . What we are
13 requesting is all single-family homes .
14 There is three basic sizes of
15 single-family homes that you see here . These
16 lots that are shown right here in the lighter
17 green we ' re proposing as 10 , 000 square foot lots ;
18 the lots that are in the tan or light orange are
19 a minimum of 12 , 000 square feet ; and then the
20 brown on the darker to the south are a minimum of
21 half acre size lot .
22 The average size lot is above
23 those , but that ' s the minimum size lot in each
24 one of those categories .
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1 The project has -- What our
2 intent as far as developing is is that these lots
3 will be on first move up -- first move up home
4 buyer price range .
5 These lots to the south, we
6 plan on putting the improvements in ourself and
7 basically selling a custom home , so this will be
8 a custom home subdivision located in the area .
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9 A few of the things -- We have
10 been through the concept process here , and some
11 of the changes were made as we went along, one of
12 the things that the city had an interest in is
13 they want a trail system that will go through the
14 property and ultimately connect to this property
15 to the north, which is another subdivision that
16 we are proposing, and then up through the
17 property, so there is a connected trail system to
18 the property .
19 We are approximately 47 percent
20 of the property between the detention and the
21 open space . We are developing about 53 percent
22 of the property, including the streets .
23 The density to it is 1 . 08 units
24 per acre , so the density of the project we are
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1 proposing is just over one unit per acre .
2 The project property is within
3 the ranges of the comprehensive plan . We will be
4 seeking, as we said, annexation into the city; it
5 would mean city sewer and water service to the
6 subdivision that we have been working with city
7 staff on, and I think that ' s pretty much a
8 summary of the subdivision . It ' s relatively
9 straightforward .
10 The only thing that would be a
11 possible -- possible exemption from the current
12 city ordinances is that these lots along this
13 open space that are 10 , 000 square foot minimum as
14 opposed to 12 , 000 , these darker lots right here
15 are all at least a minimum of 12 , 000 square feet ,
16 so these are a minimum of 90-foot widths , these
17 are a minimum of 80-foot widths , and then the
18 custom home lots are a minimum of 120-foot lot
19 width, and basically the property has been
20 designed to work with both the topo there .
21 A couple of the things that the
22 city has asked before in other subdivisions that
23 we ' ve been through is to look at doing some
24 more -- You ' ll see none of these streets are very
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1 straight , and that ' s potentially -- it ' s
2 curvilinear to really prevent any real tunneling
3 type of look there , so -- and there ' s also
4 significant topographics to the survey, so it ' s
5 going to add -- I mean, to the property, so it ' s
6 going to add quite a bit of character to these
7 subdivisions .
8 And I think with that , that ' s
9 pretty much a summary, and I would just open it
10 to questions and answer anything anybody might
11 have . Thank you .
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Before we
13 get into that from the audience , just for the
14 record, I ' d like to mention that we have received
15 a petition -- the title of it is a Petition
16 Opposing the Rezoning and Annexation of Chally
17 and Anderson Farms . All of us up here have
18 copies of this .
19 I ' m not going to read the whole
20 thing to you, but it ' s basically -- the
21 highlights of it is we , the undersigned residents
22 of Pavillion Heights and neighboring property
23 owners , oppose for the safety of children and
24 citizens , for flooding and run-off , for density,
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1 for the quality of living, and this is signed by
2 90 people .
3 I have received another one
4 from Rainy Day Kennels , and is that Mr . Martino?
5 Is this the property you are concerned about?
6 MR . MARTINO : Yes .
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes . Okay .
8 Mr . Martino from Rainy Day Kennels has submitted
9 a statement that -- stating his reasons for
10 objecting to this .
11 They are obviously a kennel
12 raising dogs and have some concerns . I don ' t
13 believe you have this .
14 Due to the size of the audience
15 and the crowd, I would just ask you to bear with
16 me with one other thing . Once somebody stands
17 and raises an objection, let ' s just pick on one
18 item, let ' s just say water run-off .
19 Once that point has been made ,
20 I don ' t want to hear 50 different people say
21 yeah, water run-off , yeah, water run-off, yeah,
22 water run-off . Once we ' ve heard it, we ' ve heard
23 it , we understand it ' s a concern .
24 We ' ve had previous meetings
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1 where this has just escalated and it ' s gotten way
2 out of hand on a particular topic, so I would
3 just ask you to bear with us on that , and once we
4 hear that kind of objection, we understand that
5 it ' s for more than just one person .
6 Okay . With that being said
7 then, who would like to start this off?
8 Gentleman in the front row .
9 WHEREUPON :
10 BARRY SAUNDERS ,
11 having been first duly sworn, testified before
12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
13 MR . SAUNDERS : Yes . My name is
14 Barry Saunders and I am a resident of the Maple
15 Grove subdivision . I ' ve got a number of issues
16 and concerns I would like to raise at this time .
17 The first one is the potential
18 safety of the -- safety analysis or the traffic
19 study that may include the joining of Anderson
20 with the Maple Grove subdivision .
21 That map does indicate that
22 that road looks like it ' s going to connect to
23 Long Grove Drive and, if that be the case , I
24 would like to know if there has been any kind of
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1 traffic survey done .
2 I did an informal survey over
3 three days . Currently there are 27 houses in the
4 Maple Grove subdivision, and between 6 : 00 a .m.
5 and 6 : 00 p .m. , there were approximately 200
6 entrances and exits at Mapleridge and Legion --
7 I ' m sorry, East Highpoint .
8 The eight houses on Long Grove
9 Drive , which is the road that we are talking
10 about that could connect to the Anderson farm,
11 between 6 : 00 a . m. and 6 : 00 p .m. , there were 30
12 going down that street turning onto Mapleridge
13 Court . That ' s a minimum of about four entries
14 per household .
15 Now, if you look at the map
16 that the gentleman put up here , the higher end
17 houses here , it ' s not going to take too long for
18 them to figure out that going through this to get
19 to 71 to go to 47 and 71 is going to take a lot
20 longer than cutting through this subdivision, and
21 there ' s potentially 50 houses here , so if you
22 take the average of what I took, of roughly
23 200 -- I mean, four per household times 50 , that
24 would be 200 extra ent -- potentially 200 extra
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1 entries and exits onto Long Grove Drive and also
2 through the Maple Grove subdivision .
3 Secondly, the land at the end
4 of Long Grove Drive is probably at least I would
5 say ten to 12 feet higher than the existing land
6 at the Anderson farm.
7 The last survey that I saw by
8 the county of a floodplain was the 1982 Army
9 Corps of Engineers ' floodplain study .
10 Now, since that time there ' s
11 been at least two subdivisions that , as you say,
12 have water run-off going that way .
13 On both sides of Long Grove
14 Drive, there is 12 houses that empty into this
15 pond, which empties along this creek here , and
16 there are six houses , plus the houses over in
17 this subdivision that come in here , so this whole
18 area at the end of Long Grove Drive, and in this
19 specific area , if not a floodplain, would be at
20 least a wetlands , and I was wondering if the
21 Illinois Department of Natural Resources had been
22 contacted to see what kind of impact that may
23 have on their way of doing business with regards
24 to the water run-off .
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1 The third issue -- and this is
2 probably an issue that ' s strictly for the people
3 on Long Grove Drive -- is that the number of cars
4 going down there could possibly decrease the home
5 values .
6 Right now it ' s a dead-end
7 street , it ' s quiet , tree-lined, and if you put
8 that road through, it ' s going to become I believe
9 a major thoroughfare going through there .
10 I do have a solution, though .
11 I do have a solution . Always come with a
12 solution . Always comes with a solution .
13 Instead, right over here ,
14 Brighton Oaks II is going to be going in, and
15 Brighton Oaks II needs a road to make sure that ' s
16 not landlocked, so if you just simply, that ' s --
17 and I think it would be cost effective for you,
18 rather than razing all this or putting a bridge
19 or whatever you are going to do to handle all the
20 water that comes down here , if you were to take
21 this and run it this way to Brighton Oaks II ,
22 that would solve Brighton Oaks II ' s problem and
23 could solve your problem as not landlocking the
24 subdivision .
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1 I guess I am hoping that one ,
2 all of you probably wouldn ' t want to see an
3 increase of 200 cars coming down your block every
4 day, potentially, and, secondly, I would hope
5 that county, city, township officials would take
6 into consideration the people that are there
7 already rather than those that are moving in, who
8 know no other way .
9 We have established, have moved
10 into that subdivision in order to set up what we
11 think is a really nice subdivision, and to
12 increase that traffic flow with safety and all
13 that stuff that ' s concerned with that , we feel
14 it ' s probably not the best interests of the
15 residents of Maple Grove subdivision .
16 So can I have your vote on
17 thinking about that anyway?
18 MR . GUERARD : Yes . What I ' ll do is
19 I ' ll wait until everybody talks , but , yes , we are
20 going to be looking at it .
21 MR . SAUNDERS : Okay . Thank you .
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
23 you, Mr . Saunders .
24 Anybody else on this petition?
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1 Yes , sir, back of the room.
2 WHEREUPON :
3 CHARLES CLARK,
4 having been first duly sworn, testified before
5 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
6 MR . CLARK : I am Charles Clark,
7 resident of Maple Grove , resident on Long Grove
8 Drive .
9 I ' m not going to take a long
10 time , but I do want to emphasize that the reason
11 we moved out to that subdivision only just
12 recently was the fact that it does dead-end on
13 Long Grove Drive .
14 And there are several kids out
15 there , including my own . There is not a sidewalk
16 system out there , so there is a lot of bicycle
17 traffic on the streets through the subdivision .
18 We felt like that was a safe
19 area for our kids , even though there aren ' t
20 sidewalks , we know there isn ' t a lot of through
21 traffic through there , and that was one of the
22 reasons , one of the main reasons , why we chose
23 that subdivision to move to .
24 So my primary concern is the
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1 safety of the kids that play in that subdivision,
2 along with what Mr . Saunders said .
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
4 you . Somebody else? Yes , ma ' am.
5 WHEREUPON :
6 SUZANNE HETZEL,
7 having been first duly sworn, testified before
8 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
9 MS . HETZEL : My name is Suzanne
10 Hetzel and I also live on Long Grove Drive , and I
11 guess my major concern is environmental .
12 Currently where the larger
13 homes are right now is a beautiful , wooded area
14 with animals , I don ' t know if service is the
15 right word, but this area is a nature area with
16 deer, barred owls , all sorts of different
17 wildlife that services really four different
18 subdivisions .
19 Four different subdivisions
20 benefit from the nature area in this particular
21 lower area there , and I have grave concerns about
22 what ' s going to happen to the environment, to the
23 animals , to the general ambience of the area
24 should this be completely wiped out . Thank you .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
2 you . Gentleman in the doorway, please .
3 WHEREUPON :
4 JOHN SHERRY,
5 having been first duly sworn, testified before
6 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
7 MR . SHERRY : Thank you,
8 Mr . Chairperson . My name is John Sherry,
9 S-H-E-R-R-Y . I live at 87 Long Grove Road, Long
10 Drove Drive .
11 And I have a question for you,
12 Mr . Chairperson, and your colleagues , as well as
13 the developers .
14 My question is this : Where is
15 the water going to go? I don ' t mean to be
16 redundant , Mr . Chairman, about your point about
17 the water run-off .
18 If I may explain, in the
19 property to my left , to your right , my home
20 borders on the new development , and I own 3 . 22
21 acres at the end of Maple Grove development .
22 Approximately one-half mile or
23 more before my property, the land contours down
24 into like a V . When it rains , the water runs
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1 down to the vortex of the V and then proceeds
2 down through my property .
3 There is a creek on my
4 property . We built a bridge across it . The
5 bridge is 12 feet long . When it rains , the water
6 is anywhere from six inches to 14 inches deep,
7 and it runs downward . I don ' t know if you can
8 see it , Mr . Chairperson, and your colleagues .
9 It runs downward into the
10 property that ' s being developed right where the
11 proposed road would go through, meaning Long
12 Drove Road, Long Grove Drive .
13 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER :
14 ( inaudible ) .
15 MR . SHERRY : I ' m sorry, I couldn ' t
16 hear you . What did you say?
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Please , I don ' t
18 want that going on for the court reporter .
19 You ' ve got the floor . Let ' s leave it at that .
20 MR . SHERRY : Thank you,
21 Mr . Chairperson . Where the proposed road would
22 go in -- and I understand -- I apologize , I ' ve
23 forgotten your name , sir .
24 MR . GUERARD : Rich .
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1 MR . SHERRY : Rich . Thank you . Rich
2 or Richard made the presentation . It ' s proposed
3 that the road go through .
4 Once again, my question is ,
5 without being redundant or trite , where is the
6 water going to go? Thank you, Mr . Chairperson .
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Do we have
8 anybody else that cares to speak on this issue?
9 Yes , sir .
10 WHEREUPON :
11 RICK MARTINO,
12 having been first duly sworn, testified before
13 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
14 MR . MARTINO : Thank you for this
15 opportunity to speak . I am representing Rainy
16 Day Kennel .
17 You have my concerns in
18 writing . Most of the concerns have been
19 addressed, except for the heavy equipment that ' s
20 going to be used in this construction and the
21 congestion on Route 71 .
22 The other concern I have , which
23 is my own, is that they ' re going to be right up
24 against my fence line with heavy duty equipment ,
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1 fumes , dust, vapors , and I have a concern for my
2 animals .
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Was your point
4 about the construction equipment in your --
5 MR . MARTINO : Construction equipment
6 working along my fence line .
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay .
8 MR . MARTINO : And there has to be
9 some way to secure it .
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . We have
11 this in the record .
12 MR . MARTINO : Yes . The other point,
13 which was just barely touched on, was the lowland
14 wildlife preserve as someone put it, okay?
15 I have pictures -- and I have
16 been watching this -- there ' s a population of
17 about 60 whitetail deer down there , there is
18 endangered water fowl , whooping cranes , geese ,
19 ducks , great horned owls , barn owls , turkey,
20 vultures , and it is a hunting ground for the red
21 tail and American eagles , this far east of
22 Starved Rock .
23 Everything else as far as
24 water and everything else has been basically
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1 addressed .
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Mr . Martino,
3 just for the record, is your property the
4 property directly to the -- as we are looking at
5 the map, to the left?
6 MR . MARTINO : South .
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : The light
8 colored area? Could you point?
9 MR . MARTINO : I am --
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Look up a little
11 higher , please . Up on 71 ?
12 MR . MARTINO : Right here .
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . I thought
14 that to be the case , but I just wanted to verify .
15 Thank you .
16 MR . MARTINO : Yes .
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Is there anybody
18 else then on this petition? I see a hand towards
19 the back of the room.
20 WHEREUPON :
21 KEN VOGT,
22 having been first duly sworn, testified before
23 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
24 MR . VOGT : Thank you . I am Ken
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1 Vogt . I would like to ask you a question . I own
2 30 acres , which is -- I own all this right here
3 all the way to right here , and these are all
4 trees and this is my pasture land and my house is
5 here , okay?
6 I can ' t see any of this 30
7 acres . What my question is is how are you going
8 to keep the people off my field since I can ' t see
9 it all? And you are going to landlock me,
10 because this is all subdivision around me , you ' re
11 going to landlock me . And I own most of the
12 wetlands and the wooded area, and there is a lot
13 of oaks and stuff here . I would just like to
14 know how you are going to control for one, the
15 people getting on my land, and --
16 because with the bike path going along here , it
17 would be nothing to get out and tear up the
18 fields , since you are going to landlock me . And
19 that ' s my question .
20 MR . SCHILLINGER : Is your land zoned
21 ag?
22 MR . VOGT : Yes . And I ' ll be right
23 in the middle of it , so it ' s like , you know, if
24 I -- you know, I have horses , and if I have wild
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1 animals back there , I can ' t -- I can ' t see the
2 entire property, so I ' ll have a real tough time
3 managing it, especially with a bike path and
4 everything .
5 And between -- and I own a lot
6 of the wetlands right here , which is -- this is
7 all wetlands , and between here , where he ' s
8 wanting to put the pond, this is pasture field
9 and this side is wetlands .
10 I ' m afraid if he doesn ' t do the
11 pond right , he ' s going to turn all mine into
12 wetlands because I do have some acreage there
13 that is tillable .
14 Because there is -- there is
15 20 -- 23 acres there and about eight of it,
16 approximately eight of it is pasture , the rest of
17 it is wetlands , and there is -- what the other
18 people said, there is a lot of animals and stuff .
19 But I ' m wondering how they will
20 control the people from getting -- you know, if
21 you run a bike path down the property line like
22 that , what ' s going to keep them -- especially if
23 you landlock me like that .
24 MR . SCHILLINGER : Can you show me on
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1 my map which home is yours?
2 MR . VOGT : I don ' t actually --
3 MR . SCHILLINGER : It ' s the same map .
4 MR . VOGT : All right . Can I mark on
5 yours?
6 MR . SCHILLINGER : Yeah, go for it .
7 Actually, if you want , I can show you a survey .
8 MR . VOGT : And when it rains , there
9 is this running ( inaudible ) .
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Let ' s not
11 have this side conversation . Show it on the map .
12 MR . VOGT : Sorry . I was just
13 drawing it out . Okay? Thank you .
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Let ' s just let
15 the court reporter show that the -- it was just
16 indicated on the map of Brian ' s where that was .
17 I don ' t want that conversation taking place .
18 Anybody else then?
19 (No response )
20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Would the rest
21 of -- Rich, do you care to address any of these
22 right now or --
23 MR . GUERARD : Yes , let me address a
24 few of the things . Part of the immediate -- The
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1 purpose of this hearing really is with the
2 annexation and the zoning we are asking for .
3 One thing that they are not
4 reviewing yet , haven ' t reviewed yet , is the
5 engineering, so particularly issues like
6 stormwater is something that hasn ' t been reviewed
7 yet , and there will be another -- you know,
8 assuming we get by this process , there will be a
9 whole other process for preliminary engineering
10 and another process on our final .
11 Just in general regarding the
12 stormwater , you know, we will be requiring -- we
13 will be conforming with all of -- the county has
14 their own stormwater requirements and ordinances ,
15 the city has some that are even more restrictive
16 than those on how the stormwater is handled, but
17 in general , we can ' t -- we are required to
18 contain any of the water that comes onto our site
19 and we are not allowed to drain off onto somebody
20 else ' s site , and we have a stormwater system
21 that ' s designed to handle the stormwater .
22 You know, this doesn ' t have a
23 stormwater system because it was built before --
24 well , actually it has some retention ponds , but
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1 this will be a pretty significant stormwater
2 system, and this -- in 20 years of doing this ,
3 I ' ve never had a subdivision that didn ' t
4 significantly improve the drainage in the area as
5 opposed to make it worse . The ordinances are
6 designed to do that . So this will be engineered .
7 Kind of another offshoot of
8 that has to do with this -- this entrance right
9 here has been discussed .
10 This hasn ' t been an entrance
11 that the city has said right now that they want
12 or that they require .
13 This is part of our concept
14 plan that we proposed and presented, and this --
15 under the concept plan, normally just -- it ' s
16 considered a matter of good planning to make
17 connections , so we have made this connection and
18 connecting it .
19 Ultimately whether that will be
20 connected or not is not a decision that ' s being
21 addressed really by the Planning Commission
22 tonight , it ' s another part of another process
23 that we are going to go through, but certainly
24 that ' s something that everybody will be looking
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1 at .
2 So I think principally another
3 issue having to do with, you know, what ' s
4 happening around it or protection of the area,
5 certainly we will work with the homeowners , you
6 know, whether -- for protection, whether it ' s
7 fencing, whether it ' s landscaping, whether it ' s
8 something else .
9 One concern we would have is
10 there is significant trees around here, and to
11 the extent possible, we are trying to leave as
12 many of them as we can, so we don ' t want to take
13 trees down to put a fence up unless we have to ,
14 but we will work with people who are around us
15 that might -- you ' ll see -- we ' re trying to do
16 that right now, but we certainly would be happy
17 to meet with anybody initially, with your
18 engineers , our engineers , your consultants , ours ,
19 however you want to do it , and try to accommodate
20 everyone as much as possible .
21 So having said that , thank you
22 very much, and we would be happy to answer any
23 other questions anyone might have .
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . John
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1 Whitehouse , could I call on you to -- if you have
2 any comments , not specifically on this project ,
3 but more on the whole issue of retaining
4 stormwater? And I am doing this just for the
5 benefit of the audience .
6 John Whitehouse is a consulting
7 engineer for the city, and maybe you could say a
8 few words , John, and I don ' t mean to put you on
9 the spot , but --
10 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Well , you can ' t do
11 that , but just to reiterate what Rich said, is
12 that it is always a concern when new subdivisions
13 abut existing subdivisions , as well as existing
14 agricultural fields , because there is just as
15 much a problem not only with existing run-off, as
16 Mr . Sherry described coming through his lot onto
17 his property and the fact that that not be
18 blocked, you ' d have to let that water continue
19 through your subdivision, as well as not let your
20 water leave your subdivision and inundate
21 somebody else ' s property .
22 The city has very strict
23 requirements for stormwater . Sound engineering
24 practice and Illinois drainage law stipulate
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1 everything that has to be done , and I agree with
2 Rich, in my 25 years of experience in this
3 business is you always improve over the existing
4 condition .
5 I ' ll admit that it seems
6 strange that we never have a hundred year flood
7 until after a new subdivision comes in right next
8 door to your house , but all the systems in new
9 subdivisions are designed to handle that and to
10 negate or minimize any additional run-off or
11 existing run-off that goes onto existing
12 properties , so it is handled very much in detail ,
13 not at concept, but the stormwater report , the
14 wetland study, the DNR reviews for archeological
15 and endangered species resources that happen, all
16 of those things that are required before a
17 preliminary plan approval can have significant
18 impact on a concept plan, and the con -- and the
19 preliminary plan that gets approved could be
20 completely different than what ' s proposed here
21 once all those studies have been completed .
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
23 you, John . Mike , anything else to add to that?
24 MR . SCHOPPE : No, not regarding
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1 stormwater .
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay .
3 Mr . Saunders , you had your hand up .
4 MR . SAUNDERS : Just one last point
5 I ' d like to make with regards -- since this might
6 not be your charge in the road, I would
7 appreciate any notes you may have , any
8 recommendations you may have for the next board
9 that may look at the roads because that is a
10 major problem for all of us in the Maple Grove
11 subdivision .
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
13 you . Any other comments on this petition?
14 (No Response )
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Hearing
16 none , I will then move on to PC 2005-33 , Wyndham
17 Deerpoint Homes , JS & JW Development , LLC, Harry
18 Anderson and William Galvin, Jr . , petitioners ,
19 have filed an application with the United City of
20 Yorkville , Kendall County, Illinois , requesting
21 annexation to the United City of Yorkville and
22 rezoning from Kendall County, A-1 , Agricultural
23 to the United City of Yorkville B-2 General
24 Business District and R-2 One-Family Residence
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1 District .
2 The real property consists of
3 approximately 154 acres north of Route 71 and
4 west of Pavillion Road, Kendall Township, Kendall
5 County, Illinois .
6 Rich , are you going to go
7 again?
8 MR . GUERARD : Yes . Good evening,
9 everyone . I know you know who I am, but , for the
10 record, it ' s Rich Guerard appearing on behalf of
11 the petitioners and owners of the property .
12 In this case we are the owners
13 of the property in addition to petitioners , and
14 we are -- once again, we are proposing a -- this
15 is a single-family subdivision . It is a PUD that
16 we are requesting . It would be an R-2 zoning
17 with also the -- a B-2 business use at this
18 corner .
19 The property -- once again, I ' m
20 sure everyone is familiar with it -- it ' s
21 directly north of this -- of the previous
22 Anderson farm .
23 This is Route 71 . This is
24 Pavillion Road that runs up across it . The total
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1 acreage of the property is approximately 154
2 acres , and we are proposing 234 single-family
3 lots .
4 Although all the lots are R-2 ,
5 they are all conforming R-2 lots , we have mixed
6 up the sizes of the lots to have a little
7 different way on the product .
8 Just to give you an idea, these
9 lots along here -- make sure I ' ve got the right
10 ones -- are a minimum of 12 , 000 square foot lots .
11 These are also a minimum of
12 12 , 000 square foot lots , these have a minimum of
13 90-foot frontage , these have a minimum of 80-foot
14 frontage .
15 The lots here along the
16 existing Pavillion Heights subdivision are larger
17 lots . Those lots are -- They are a minimum
18 number of 18 , 000 square feet , but they are 90 and
19 they have a minimum number depth of 200 square
20 feet -- I ' m sorry, 200 feet in depth to allow a
21 greater depth between an existing subdivision and
22 the homes that are there now .
23 We have been through the --
24 actually been through the concept process twice
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1 on this subdivision and made some changes through
2 the process .
3 Once again, similar to what I
4 talked to you before , the preliminary engineering
5 and all the stormwater studies and everything are
6 not -- have not been completed and submitted to
7 the city yet for review .
8 Some of the proposals , the park
9 was interested in having a park over here with
10 the potential of a possible school site to the
11 west , so the park has been designed in that area .
12 We are talking about this being
13 a dry detention area , maybe extend the park .
14 Once again, there is a lot of curvilinear streets
15 that have been built into the property . It also
16 has a trail system.
17 You can ' t see this trail system
18 very well , but once proposed, it ' s going to start
19 connecting up with the Yorkwood Estates trail
20 system and basically come up all the way up
21 through the property, once again going to the
22 proposed subdivision to the north of the
23 property .
24 The gross density is
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1 approximately 1 . 5 , 1 . 52 . Once again, it ' s within
2 the range of the comprehensive plan, and it ' s a
3 straightforward subdivision .
4 As I said, we ' ve met with the
5 park district . There is another park site that ' s
6 going to be in this location .
7 The reason for the somewhat
8 unusual shape there is there is existing tree
9 rows on there that we are trying to save , and
10 there is some high and dry in the middle , so
11 that ' s going to be dedicated to the park system
12 and we ' ll get a partial credit for that
13 contribution .
14 I believe , once again, I have
15 pretty much given a summary of the property . I ' d
16 be happy to answer any other questions anybody
17 has regarding that . Thank you .
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
19 you . And who would like to go first on this
20 issue?
21 MR . SCOTT : I guess I will .
22 WHEREUPON :
23 RANDY SCOTT,
24 having been first duly sworn, testified before
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1 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
2 MR . SCOTT : My name is Randy Scott .
3 I live at 45 Highview Drive . I can show you my
4 house here . It ' s right up here in the corner
5 just around the curve there .
6 I have many concerns , and I
7 don ' t want to steal anybody ' s glory . I don ' t
8 want to waste a lot of time here either .
9 You all have the petition in
10 front of you . Some of the other people here may
11 speak about this .
12 I think I ' ve got half my
13 neighbors here, and there is 90 some signatures .
14 I think just about everybody is here that borders
15 that property .
16 Many concerns . First off is
17 lot size , and, of course , the other issue is
18 roads .
19 The one thing I ' d like to point
20 out , I have noticed on the plan here also that we
21 have a road that ' s going to continue through
22 here , that is a low area also, and I know we
23 don ' t want to keep talking about flooding, but
24 with that in mind --
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1 I don ' t know how I should do
2 this , if you want to pass these around .
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Put them up,
4 Randy, right in front of the one that ' s there ,
5 and I think everybody can see it if you point out
6 what it is you are trying to show .
7 MR . SCOTT : These pictures here --
8 and I ' ll leave these with you folks if you want
9 to study them or whatever you want to do .
10 These pictures here depict this
11 area down here between Highview and Hillside
12 Drive . I don ' t know if the neighbor that ' s here ,
13 this lady -- You can see the water -- there he
14 is , okay . These are from his pictures .
15 You can see the water going
16 down the storm sewer here , you can see the boat
17 out here .
18 The whole -- there is a creek
19 that runs through there, and it ' s right along
20 here , and our concern is -- I know that you are
21 talking about drainage and we don ' t want to be
22 redundant .
23 Our question is again where
24 will the water go? You ' ve these retention areas ;
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1 I know they have to drain out at some point in
2 time , but this is very low here, and our
3 subdivision was never designed with drainage, and
4 so we have constant flooding problems .
5 I can point out to you, we ' ve
6 got water coming out of the field here . Here is
7 where your road ' s going to come through and it ' s
8 going to cross here and intersect here . This is
9 Highview coming down this way, going up this way
10 to this man ' s house here . There ' s that .
11 We can explain -- I don ' t
12 know -- I don ' t want to take a lot of time, but I
13 can explain to you --
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Mike , Mike
15 Crouch, could you grab that maybe -- Are you
16 through addressing those pictures , Randy?
17 MR . SCOTT : For right now .
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Could you go and
19 maybe pass them around so we get a closer look at
20 them?
21 MR . SCOTT : Sure . I want to show
22 you where the water originated next , if I may .
23 First of all , this is my house .
24 Two times -- I have lived there
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1 since May of 1992 , and two times I ' ve had to
2 contour my land because of water run-off , and I
3 just wanted you to be able to see , we ' ve got the
4 excavation equipment , we ' ve got a road grader and
5 skid steer here digging this , and all the work
6 that it ' s gone through to put this in .
7 This is what we have to do when
8 there is problems and it ' s not done properly,
9 okay?
10 I think eventually we all pay
11 as taxpayers . May 13th, 2004 we had water coming
12 down the hill . It blew out my basement window .
13 There was water in my basement . The water had
14 receded here because we spent all the time
15 cleaning it up . It was up to the bottom of my
16 siding . I was like in a moat .
17 Water completely engulfed --
I8 I ' ve got a couple neighbors here who saw that ,
19 completely engulfed it . You can see the water
20 coming down . It ran over across the top of my
21 other two neighbors ' driveways here .
22 Goes down here, goes down
23 through my neighbor ' s yard here , goes down
24 through this fellow ' s yard -- he ' s got pictures ,
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1 too -- goes right on down there to the end .
2 What did I do with the other
3 pictures? Did I leave some pictures over there?
4 There is some more that I ' ll submit to you of the
5 back of the yard . I don ' t know what I did with
6 them right now . Apologize . But that ' s a
7 concern .
8 Just a couple other quick
9 comments . We are concerned about lot size as
10 well . We all have one-acre lots .
11 The streets will not handle any
12 traffic . The comment I want to make here was if
13 you go up in this area here , people are going to
14 want to take the shortcut , I know I always do .
15 They are going to be coming through here .
16 Our streets are not designed to
17 handle this amount of traffic . I ' m sure these
18 streets will be wider than ours , two cars can
19 pass , that ' s about it, so we are concerned once
20 again about the safety of our children, flooding .
21 You ' ve got the petition, you
22 can read that . You can take this and pass it
23 around . If you can hang on to these .
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Randy, did you
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1 say that all of the lots in your subdivision are
2 one-acre lots ?
3 MR . SCOTT : Some of them are larger .
4 Some of them are up to two acres , all at least
5 45 , 000 square feet because of the well and
6 septic .
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Let me rephrase
8 that . Minimum of one-acre lots ; is that correct?
9 MR . SCOTT : Some have two acres .
10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Minimum.
11 MR . SCOTT : Minimum an acre .
12 MR . GUERARD : Thank you .
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Is there
14 somebody else that wishes to address this? Yes ,
15 sir .
16 WHEREUPON :
17 KEN HETZEL,
18 having been first duly sworn, testified before
19 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
20 MR . HETZEL : It ' s Ken Hetzel , 71
21 Long Grove . And I guess I am more connected with
22 the prior discussion, but my question is not
23 where the water is going to go, but where the
24 developer expects the water to come from.
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1 I think the request was for
2 village water and sewer . That ' s not shown . The
3 easements to get the sewer and water out there
4 are not shown, and one would wonder with the
5 sprinkler ban on the summer if the city really
6 has those resources to offer prior to an
7 annexation . So those are my concerns .
8 Does the city have the resource
9 available to offer a developer prior to annexing
10 it in?
11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
12 you . Somebody else? Going once . You are on .
13 WHEREUPON :
14 KURT KLOSS ,
15 having been first duly sworn, testified before
16 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
17 MR . KLOSS : My name is Kurt Kloss .
18 I live at the end of 10 Highview Drive . The new
19 proposal will be bordering my property .
20 I want to bring to your
21 attention to the fact that there were two early
22 settlements that were right on the site of the
23 Chally property .
24 There was the community of Long
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1 Grove in the early 1800 ' s , and that was bordered
2 by the community of Pavillion, which was a
3 booming town . It had a drugstore , it had a
4 saddle shop, a school . It was even considered at
5 one time to be a candidate for the county seat .
6 The main drag of Pavillion, the
7 main road, was known as the Hartz Gravel Road .
8 It ran for at least a half a mile and it crossed
9 the Chicago-to-Ottawa Road, which was of
10 tremendous historical value .
11 We aren ' t really sure of the
12 location of the Chicago-to-Ottawa Road . It was
13 somewhere near Route 71 , but it hasn ' t been
14 determined exactly .
15 Several other locations have
16 been . The original school , which was known as
17 the Brick Academy or the Pavillion Academy, was
18 the largest secondary school in northern
19 Illinois , including Chicago, for quite some time .
20 The location of the church is
21 known, the blacksmith shop, and, of course, the
22 cemetery .
23 I wanted to mention, especially
24 to you, Mr . Wyeth, the State of Illinois Historic
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1 Resources Preservation Act , which states -- well ,
2 I won ' t read the whole thing -- but as early in
3 the planning process as possible and before
4 anything is determined that there must be a study
5 done , a historical impact study, of any sites of
6 historical value .
7 Now, this is normally used to
8 determine if a particular site , if a house or a
9 building, is of historical value . In this case,
10 we are dealing about an entire community .
11 In all fairness , it ' s also
12 included in the Act that the director -- the
13 director has to be notified within 30 days
14 before -- I mean, 30 days of when this is first
15 proposed .
16 The director will not require
17 an excavation in all cases , though, unless there
18 is at least, you know, one site of particular
19 historical value , and on the Chally property,
20 there is at least one foundation that ' s still --
21 still exists .
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Mr . Kloss , do
23 you have any idea in general where some of these
24 things are at in relationship to --
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1 MR . KLOSS : Yes .
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Could you maybe
3 point that out for our information?
4 MR . KLOSS : The community of Long
5 Grove was -- it was just exactly what it says , it
6 was a grove of trees , and it pretty much -- from
7 Legion Road, it pretty much took on this area
8 right around here .
9 There was a scattering of log
10 houses around there , which most of them are I ' m
11 sure long gone, but that is where the early
12 settlers of Kendall County, many of them, settled
13 right on the border of Long Grove .
14 The town of Pavillion was a
15 much more structured community, and it centered
16 pretty much on Legion Road and the intersection
17 of the Chicago-to-Ottawa Road, which was near 71 .
18 Now, the Hartz Gravel Road,
19 which was the main business district of
20 Pavillion, was approximately a half a mile long .
21 We aren ' t absolutely sure how far that half mile
22 extended into this property .
23 We do know that right near the
24 commercial area here that ' s proposed, that was
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1 the site of a church .
2 Right here was the blacksmith
3 shop, the school is farther south on Legion Road,
4 but we don ' t know how far this extended into this
5 proposal here .
6 The foundation that I mentioned
7 will be right here , right where the road is
8 proposed .
9 Now, I have lived in the
10 Yorkville area -- I moved here almost 50 years
11 ago . There ' s never been a road or a driveway or
12 anything going in to that foundation, so I can ' t
13 help assume that it ' s been there a whole lot
14 longer than I have .
15 So, anyway, I think at this
16 point , maybe some of this should be left up to
17 the discretion of the director .
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , sir . Where
19 do you live in relationship --
20 MR . KLOSS : I live right on the end
21 of Highview Drive . Right there ( indicating ) .
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
23 you . Thank you .
24 MR . KLOSS : Thank you for your time .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Other comments?
2 Yes , sir .
3 WHEREUPON :
4 NICK KETTINGER,
5 having been first duly sworn, testified before
6 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
7 MR . KETTINGER : My name is Nick
8 Kettinger and I live in Pavillion Heights , and my
9 concerns -- I guess it would be concerns -- deal
10 with the actual annexation of the property and
11 being able to service the property, the
12 anticipated population .
13 With annexation of the
14 property, does that include improvement to the
15 roads , the county roads , and the state highway,
16 particularly Fox Road, Route 71 , Pavillion Road,
17 even Highpoint .
18 And the utilities , which has
19 been already expressed, the water particularly,
20 is there going to be -- going to have to be a
21 water tower out there -- where will that be , will
22 we take into consideration, will the city take
23 into consideration, early on traffic control ,
24 traffic lights?
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1 Even at this stage traffic to
2 get onto 71 in the morning is hectic, and I
3 anticipate that ' s only going to get worse and
4 worse as new subdivisions open .
5 Will that -- Will that all be
6 handled as part of the annexation? Certainly
7 hope that you will be looking to all of these
8 things . Thank you .
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Thank you . Yes ,
10 sir .
11 WHEREUPON :
12 JEFF GORDON,
13 having been first duly sworn, testified before
14 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
15 MR . GORDON : My name is Jeff Gordon
16 and I live on 11429 State Route 71 , which is
17 right here , and my two concerns are the view
18 that ' s out here to the west and the commercial
19 acreage there , would be to the east of us .
20 And everybody knows that you
21 put commercial property or business property next
22 to a residential house, which is zoned
23 agriculture right now, and the value of that .
24 And the other thing is the view
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1 out the back . We ' ve lived there for 20 years ,
2 and it ' s a concern of mine , is the view .
3 If you put even a single-story
4 house back there , you ' ve lost our summer sunset .
5 And the business area that ' s in
6 that corner, I don ' t know what ' s proposed for it ,
7 but you put up Gas City or, you know, Shell , or
8 whatever have you right there , it ' s a major
9 concern of mine , those two -- those two issues ,
10 for us . Thank you .
11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
12 you . Randy?
13 MR . SCOTT : May I ask one more
14 question?
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Sure .
16 MR . SCOTT : I didn ' t hear this .
17 This is proposed for annexation to the city and
18 zoning . That ' s what we are here for .
19 My question is if, and, or when
20 this gets annexed, my question -- I don ' t know if
21 somebody can answer it , I don ' t know -- when you
22 put this into the city, do not the other
23 properties -- Does it have to go adjoining? Can
24 they skip over properties ? What ' s the procedure?
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1 That ' s my question .
2 MR . WYETH : They have to be
3 contiguous , which means there has to be a
4 touching point, but it can be irregular shapes ,
5 where those others , just from observation, might
6 look like they have been skipped over, but there
7 has to be a connected point . The word is
8 contiguity .
9 MR . SCOTT : Do we know if there is
10 others that are contiguous to this property?
11 Mr . WYETH : The one directly to the
12 north, there is a property that ' s being
13 considered by the city .
14 MR . SCOTT : This one?
15 MR . WYETH : Yes .
16 MR . SCOTT : Okay . Thank you .
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Other questions
18 or concerns? I see a hand in the back .
19 WHEREUPON :
20 MOLA RAFIEI ,
21 having been first duly sworn, testified before
22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
23 MR . RAFIEI : My first name is Mola ,
24 last name , Rafiei , and it ' s spelled R-A-F-I-E-I ,
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1 and I have a question for Richard and the city
2 engineer .
3 You mentioned that the new
4 subdivision always improved the water -- improved
5 the flooding, always . But could it have an
6 adverse effect?
7 MR . WHITEHOUSE : On the volume of
8 run-off?
9 MR . RAFIEI : Exactly, to the next
10 property .
11 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Not if done
12 properly .
13 MR . RAFIEI : I ' m sorry?
14 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Not if done
15 properly .
16 MR . RAFIEI : Well , could it be done
17 improperly?
18 MR . WHITEHOUSE : It ' s our intent
19 that they not be improperly --
20 MR . RAFIEI : But it could happen?
21 MR . WHITEHOUSE : I doubt it .
22 MR . RAFIEI : Why do you doubt it?
23 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Because of the
24 review process that it ' s going through .
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1 MR . RAFIEI : By your city engineer ,
2 correct?
3 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Yes .
4 MR . RAFIEI : Well , I am too, okay?
5 And believe it could have an adverse effect .
6 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Anything is
7 possible , but the process we go through with the
8 city ' s requirements , the intent is they do that .
9 MR . RAFIEI : Okay . Have you done
10 any study regarding Pavillion Heights regarding
11 soil condition?
12 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Not yet .
13 MR . RAFIEI : Did you know that we
14 have a very high water --
15 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Table?
16 MR . RAFIEI : Yeah, water . Exactly .
17 Correct .
18 MR . WHITEHOUSE : I would assume you
19 probably do .
20 MR. RAFIEI : Do you know that most
21 of the houses in this area, in Pavillion Heights ,
22 their sump pump runs all the time , in the winter
23 time , in the summer time , even when it ' s dry? I
24 think you have a problem. That ' s it .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
2 you . Anybody else with any other questions or
3 concerns? Yes , sir .
4 WHEREUPON :
5 RALPH MARR,
6 having been first duly sworn, testified before
7 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
8 MR . MARR: My name is Ralph Marr . I
9 am a resident of Pavillion Heights also, 79 . One
10 of the things Randy was talking about , in the
11 connection here , one of the other gentlemen
12 mentioned there are no sidewalks through here ,
13 and that ' s also true for Pavillion Heights . They
14 are narrow roads and there is no place for our
15 children to play .
16 And the other thing I am
17 concerned with is the access to Route 71 . That ' s
18 over a hill right there .
19 And are there any limitations
20 on a major thoroughfare like that, how many
21 intersections there can be?
22 That ' s a pretty congested area
23 and people clip along pretty good there . Thank
24 you .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
2 you . Anybody else?
3 WHEREUPON :
4 NEIL SULLIVAN,
5 having been first duly sworn, testified before
6 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
7 MR . SULLIVAN : My name is Neil
8 Sullivan . I live at Pavillion Heights . I am a
9 police officer for 33 years , and I am a watch
10 commander , and I have to deal with every day with
11 traffic problems , people cutting through
12 subdivisions .
13 As I am looking at these areas
14 here , some of these have tried to touch on this .
15 The area there at Pavillion and Route 71 , when I
16 moved here 13 years ago, I used to be able to get
17 out -- I work for Lisle . Used to be able to get
18 out immediately onto 71 .
19 There is so much traffic coming
20 from the west now that it takes quite a long time
21 to get out .
22 My concern is is that not only
23 the cut-through traffic from the new subdivision
24 into the existing, but you put up a development
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1 there for retail , unless there is a stoplight put
2 in there -- and I know the state and the county
3 and the village are very reluctant to put up
4 stoplights for a lot of different reasons , one is
5 the cost impact , okay -- I think we ' re going to
6 have a major problem.
7 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
8 you . Other concerns?
9 Rich, do you care to address
10 those?
11 MR . GUERARD : Just a couple things ,
12 and I will be brief in light of what everyone ' s
13 already said .
14 Again, this connection right
15 here , we did that . That ' s our idea . That ' s not
16 something the city has decided on yet or told us
17 that they want .
18 There is a connection to the
19 west and a connection to the north in addition to
20 the other ones , so that will be something that
21 when the city has an opportunity to review our
22 studies and soil tests and everything else we
23 have , they will make their recommendations and
24 look at that .
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1 On the water, we also were
2 contacted I believe right through here, owners
3 that had several issues similar to problems , what
4 you just showed with your pictures with the
5 flooding there .
6 Mainly I would say one obvious
7 thing is the fact we didn ' t have anything to do
8 with that flooding because the flooding is
9 already existing because it doesn ' t have the
10 stormwater controls to it , and while we may not
11 solve that problem 100 percent , we are going to
12 dramatically improve that stormwater issue and
13 the problem that ' s there by the design of all
14 this interconnected stormwater system that ' s
15 going to be holding and managing the water .
16 So believe it or not , it ' s the
17 reality . That ' s the truth . You can talk to any
18 stormwater engineer . This will dramatically
19 improve that situation . And, once again, that ' s
20 going to be taken into consideration as this
21 design is being done .
22 And I think, you know, as it ' s
23 been pointed out by the Chairman of the Planning
24 Commission, or actually by the city engineer,
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1 this plan could still change significantly based
2 on the stormwater studies and things that are
3 done .
4 And one thing to say, the
5 gentleman was correct about an archeological
6 study that ' s done for this property and
7 historical work, and this isn ' t the time where
8 that ' s presented and reviewed, that ' s another
9 stage in the process , but it is a stage in the
10 process that has to be approved before it goes to
11 the next level, and this is property that ' s
12 proposed to be served by sewer and water by the
13 city, and, once again, all that ' s part of the
14 engineering or design and could be part of the
15 process as we go through it .
16 And it can ' t be annexed until
17 it ' s contiguous , so this is something -- we are
18 starting the process now, but this isn ' t
19 something that happens tomorrow, it ' s something
20 that happens over a period of time .
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , sir .
22 MR . SULLIVAN : One of the concerns I
23 have here is most of us , because of the water
24 quality of our wells , have water conditioners ,
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1 and if the city force annexed us into that , we
2 are going to have to cap off our wells .
3 There is a lot of impact that ' s
4 going to happen to us , and I have seen this in
5 the village that I work in, okay, so my question
6 is what -- and I know you probably can ' t answer,
7 but once we are contiguous on three sides and
8 know we ' re going to -- the City of Yorkville has
9 the right to force annex us --
10 MR . GUERARD : To my knowledge , the
11 City of Yorkville has never force annexed anyone .
12 MAYOR PROCHASKA : There are holes
13 all over Yorkville , and I can ' t guarantee that
14 that will never happen, but , historically, the
15 City of Yorkville -- in fact , if you go just to
16 the north side of this property, there is two
17 blocks of unincorporated land that have been
18 unincorporated for 30 , 40 years , and the city has
19 not had a history of force annexing any of the
20 residential areas .
21 There is several large parcels
22 throughout the city where they are simply
23 surrounded and they ' re there .
24 Now, if you should -- If the
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1 people there should decide that they would like
2 to have the city services , they would definitely
3 be requested to annex if they want to have city
4 services . If they want to stay on well and
5 septic, that ' s their choice .
6 MR . SULLIVAN : If there is an
7 annexation and you are supplying water there,
8 then I believe everybody has to hook up . Is that
9 not true?
10 MAYOR PROCHASKA : No . We ' ve done
11 this all around town . I ' m telling you . You can
12 go out right here --
13 MR . SCHILLINGER : Ace Hardware . Ace
14 Hardware .
15 MAYOR PROCHASKA : Go out to -- Ace
16 Hardware is not the --
17 MR . SCHILLINGER : All four sides .
18 MAYOR PROCHASKA : Ace Hardware is
19 not , Prairie that surrounds the Wacker
20 subdivision, which is one-acre lots , well and
21 septic, to this day they are well and septic .
22 On the south side, if you go
23 out to where Wildwood is out there off of 71 --
24 or off of 126 , there is an area of Crooked Creek
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1 in there that is surrounded by the city, but is
2 still unincorporated . They are still on well and
3 septic .
4 Again, if you ' re going to ask
5 can I guarantee , me sitting here today, I ' m only
6 going to be here for however long, but
7 historically the city has not made an effort to
8 annex residential properties into the city .
9 And actually, up along
10 Cannonball Trail you have the same issue . That
11 area is completely surrounded by the city . So
12 that ' s all I can tell you .
13 MR . MARR : So what was the purpose
14 of including Pavillion Heights into this
15 annexation proposal?
16 MR . GUERARD : It ' s not .
17 MAYOR PROCHASKA : It ' s not . You are
18 notified because you live within -- The city
19 requires , and actually the state -- the city
20 requires it more than the state does , that
21 residents within a certain distance of any
22 development in the city have to be notified so
23 you are aware of what goes on, so you can be
24 aware of what goes on and give your comments , and
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1 that ' s why we do this .
2 Actually, the subdivision of
3 Pavillion Heights is not included in their
4 proposal at all . It ' s the property to the west
5 of it there , west and south .
6 MR . MARR : I see . I must have
7 misunderstood the letter . I thought it said
8 everything west of Pavillion Road over to --
9 MR . GUERARD : The description might
10 have been a little vague , but that ' s the area .
11 Sir, you had your hand up .
12 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER : On
13 the diagram, the blue , are those retention ponds ?
14 MR . GUERARD : They are retention
15 ponds . There is one thing -- there is two things
16 about it; one is it ' s not necessarily wet . It ' s
17 showing it , but they could be dry .
18 The other issue is they could
19 change with engineering . This is real rough with
20 the topo . But the size of them and exact
21 location of them may change .
22 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER : And
23 what ' s the acreage to be taken up by the
24 retention pond in proportion to the subdivision
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1 roughly?
2 MR . GUERARD : I can give you a rule
3 of thumb . It ' s usually between 15 and 17
4 percent . I don ' t know exactly what it is here ,
5 and what ' s -- Even if I knew what is here, that ' s
6 not likely to be what it is when it ' s done
7 because the detailed engineering hasn ' t been, you
8 know, accomplished yet . Yes , ma ' am.
9 WHEREUPON :
10 CHERYL WATTS ,
11 having been first duly sworn, testified before
12 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
13 MS . WATTS : I was just wondering,
14 you had some custom home lots . You have none in
15 this subdivision?
16 MR . GUERARD : When I say -- Well ,
17 these are 12 , 000 square foot lots , so the homes
18 that would be built on there , they could be
19 custom or they could not be custom .
20 I mean, they ' re going to be
21 homes that aren ' t -- These are not production
22 level , entry level homes on these size lots , but
23 there is a difference in lot size .
24 The others are half acre , these
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1 are 12 , 000 , so I would expect the half acre lots
2 will have bigger, more custom homes on them.
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I ' m going to ask
4 you, if you wish to be recognized, raise your
5 hand, be recognized by me so we can get your name
6 in the record, ask Mr . Guerard your question and
7 he can respond to it . Okay? Those are the
8 rules .
9 MR . DAVIS : Can we have your name?
10 MS . WATTS : Cheryl Watts , and I live
11 at 1255 Pavillion .
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I have a lady in
13 the back of the room. Would you come forward,
14 state your name, and ask your question?
15 WHEREUPON :
16 SHERRY SCHWINGLE ,
17 having been first duly sworn, testified before
18 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
19 MS . SCHWINGLE : Sherry Schwingle , 10
20 Hillside Drive .
21 When you say it doesn ' t involve
22 Pavillion Heights , if you make a street through,
23 that will go through the subdivision, a new
24 subdivision, it will involve us , correct?
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1 MR . GUERARD : I ' m sorry, I didn ' t
2 say not involve . He was just commenting this was
3 not being annexed into the city .
4 If this connection went through
5 here , there would be traffic through there .
6 MS . SCHWINGLE : We are not a native
7 to Yorkville , we moved in a year ago . We bought
8 in this subdivision because it ' s a quiet , small
9 subdivision .
10 We came from Naperville, which
11 is very busy, a lot of traffic . That ' s one of
12 the reasons we bought in this subdivision .
13 And now if you look, our
14 property backs up here . We ' ll have four -- three
15 to four homes to look at out of the back of our
16 property, and I know at some point the cornfield
17 was probably going to be developed, but I didn ' t
18 expect to see four homes .
19 So I hope you take into
20 consideration the people that have lived in the
21 subdivision for quite a while before deciding to
22 approve this . Thank you .
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank
24 you . I had a gentleman over here .
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1 WHEREUPON :
2 BOB CARGELLI ,
3 having been first duly sworn, testified before
4 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
5 MR . CARGELLI : My name is Bob
6 Cargelli . I live at 2 Hillside Drive . And my
7 question to you is we have all acre and more, I
8 have almost two acres , and why is this the
9 density you are putting behind our homes ? Why
10 are you packing in so many lots into this
11 subdivision?
12 MR . GUERARD : If that ' s a question
13 to me, I can answer from our viewpoint . One
14 thing -- They are two different things .
15 This is a well and septic
16 subdivision that you have to have a minimum of an
17 acre , and a significant portion of. this is your
18 separation, and obviously your septic system and
19 well system. That is sewer and water system.
20 There is significantly more
21 expense involved with putting in the
22 infrastructure with the detention areas here .
23 We tried to respect your
24 properties here by doing it with larger lots and
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1 deeper lots , and the plan is to put a landscape
2 preservation area across the back of the
3 property, but these still won ' t be the same size
4 as yours .
5 They are larger -- I think they
6 are a minimum of 18 , 000 square foot lots ; a lot
7 of them are larger than 18 , 000 square foot lots .
8 So they aren ' t as large as
9 yours , but they are lots designed for homes that
10 are basically comparable, these type of homes .
11 MR . CARGELLI : But we have all these
12 homes that we built ourselves , and we bought this
13 land for that purpose , and all of a sudden you
14 come in and you jam in -- this is my opinion --
15 as many lots as you can cram into that area , even
16 though you ' re going to try to cosmetic it behind
17 our homes , and I think the board should realize
18 what we have out there , what you people have .
19 The village of Yorkville is
20 very unique . Don ' t ruin it . That ' s all I have
21 to say .
22 (Applause )
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : For
24 clarification for the audience , could I call on
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1 Mike or John to maybe explain what steps this is
2 going to have to go through from here on, knowing
3 full well , as was explained by Mr . Guerard, that
4 this plan that you see may change , will change ,
5 before anything is final , but can you go through
6 some of the steps so people know what that is ?
7 MR . SCHOPPE : Sure . I think
8 somebody mentioned it earlier, perhaps it was on
9 the earlier public hearing, that the request
10 tonight only involves two of the three important
11 steps .
12 The three important steps are
13 first they annex the property, second is to zone
14 the property, and third is to approve the
15 development plans .
16 Only those first two items are
17 being requested tonight , with the annexation and
18 the zoning .
19 So after the property would be
20 zoned to the city, they would be required to
21 submit preliminary plats , preliminary
22 engineering, and then that process evolved into
23 final engineering and final plats .
24 As part of that , there is a
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1 whole bureaucratic review process that involves
2 the city -- in this case it involves the city,
3 the county, the state , in terms of the state
4 roads , and even probably some federal
5 jurisdiction if there is some wetlands and other
6 environmental areas .
7 So there -- Even if this were
8 to go through and be rezoned, I can -- not
9 guarantee , but I am very confident that there
10 would need to be changes made to the plan just
11 because of the review process and the other
12 issues that are going to be surfaced as the
13 project would go through that review process .
14 And that ' s generally -- Once those final plans
15 are approved, then, of course, it does need to
16 become contiguous , and I don ' t believe those
17 plans would be -- there would be final approval
18 until the contiguity is , in fact , there .
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Do you have
20 anything to add?
21 MR . WYETH : I ' d add that as
22 developments come to the city, almost without
23 exception, they are the subject of an annexation
24 agreement , which also requires an additional
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1 public hearing conducted pretty much exactly like
2 this one that ' s here tonight .
3 The annexation agreement is
4 more or less a contract between the land owner
5 and developer and the city as to certain aspects
6 of what is -- of what the developer will look
7 like within limitations of zoning and required
8 laws , as well as sometimes some specific things
9 that may be unique to that particular property,
10 so there would be another public hearing that
11 would take place .
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Let me
13 ask again, is there any other comments or is
14 there any questions about procedures as to where
15 we may go after tonight?
16 Randy, you had your hand up .
17 MR . SCOTT : Procedure question .
18 When it goes through this process that these
19 fellas just mentioned, will we again be given an
20 opportunity to come and make comments ?
21 MR . WYETH : At the public hearing
22 that I just mentioned, you would be allowed to
23 make comments , yes .
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , ma ' am.
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1 MS . WATTS : Is there a web site or
2 something we can go to, or how will we know when
3 the next meeting is ?
4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I don ' t
5 believe --
6 MR . WYETH : The city has a web site ,
7 you may want to look for that . I ' m not good at
8 memorizing web site names , but I think if you
9 just search for the City of Yorkville home page
10 that will --
I1 MAYOR PROCHASKA : It ' s Yorkville --
12 MR . WYETH : dot IL dot US ?
13 MAYOR PROCHASKA : -- dot IL dot US .
14 And the agendas are generally posted on the web
15 site . If not , you are always welcome to call the
16 city . All agendas have to be posted 48 hours
17 prior to any meeting, and you are welcome to come
18 get those .
19 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER : And
20 the newspaper may have .
21 MAYOR PROCHASKA : Sometimes they do .
22 Sometimes they don ' t put them in the newspaper .
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Even if there is
24 not a public hearing per se , this meeting itself
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1 is a public meeting and you are welcome to attend
2 that , and that ' s the agenda that will be posted
3 48 hours in advance .
4 MR . CROUCH : All meetings are public
5 meetings .
6 MAYOR PROCHASKA : As Mr . Crouch just
7 said, all meetings are public meetings . When
8 things move out of this Commission, they then go
9 to the city ' s Economic Development Committee,
10 which is a committee of the City Council .
11 Their next meeting would be
12 next Thursday -- a week from tomorrow is when
13 it ' s scheduled .
14 From there , that group then
15 makes a recommendation to the City Council ' s
16 Committee of the Whole , where it is discussed at
17 length, and then it goes on to the City Council ,
18 so there is a number of meetings that it will go
19 through yet .
20 Now, I don ' t know if it will
21 just go in right in a row or not . Odds are -- We
22 do have to have -- An annexation agreement has to
23 be created, a PUD has to be created, so there is
24 some paperwork that needs to be done , but
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1 definitely I would check for the meeting next
2 Thursday to see if it is going to be on the
3 agenda at that committee . That would be a good
4 start . Okay?
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Anything
6 else before I ask to close the public hearing?
7 John?
8 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Just real quickly
9 on traffic, because that was a concern, is a
10 traffic study is required as part of those
11 preliminary development plans before the
12 annexation agreement , and the city does -- has
13 consistently required of all new developments a
14 minimum of $2 , 000 per housing unit transportation
15 impact fee that would be applied to local
16 transportation improvements in the vicinity of
17 the subdivision, so that could very well , as long
18 as it was warranted by the state standards ,
19 include signalization at Pavillion and 71 .
20 MAYOR PROCHASKA : John, this is
21 included in the area that the EI is doing for the
22 overall traffic --
23 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Yes , the Fox Road
24 area traffic study looked at this area, including
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1 Pavillion Road as far as traffic -- trip
2 generations , and the developer would be required
3 to supplement that traffic study with his
4 internal traffic counts and the direction of the
5 traffic based on the proposed connections and
6 entrances and the -- ultimately the Pavillion and
7 71 intersection will warrant signals , and the
8 state is very reluctant to spend their money
9 before they -- before they need to or before
10 there is unfortunately accidents at those
11 locations .
12 But if it is warranted by the
13 state standards , the city will see that it ' s done
14 as part of an annexation agreement .
15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , sir . Over
16 here . Your name?
17 MR . MARR : One question to anyone .
18 How is this property going to abut the future
19 prairie parkway that was published in the
20 newspaper?
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I don ' t know
22 the --
23 MAYOR PROCHASKA : I think the
24 prairie parkway is still to the west because I
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1 think the proposed route is actually west of
2 Highpoint Road .
3 MS . LUCIETTO : Yes .
4 MAYOR PROCHASKA : Yes , it ' s
5 substantially west . I don ' t know if it ' s
6 substantially, but maybe a mile west or so .
7 MR . MARR : When we ' re building a
8 subdivision like this --
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Excuse me .
10 Could I have your name again?
11 MR . MARR : My name is Ralph Marr .
12 Does anybody keep in mind how many entrances we
13 are making to Route 71 ?
14 I hate to bring this up again,
15 but on that stretch right there , there ' s got to
16 be half dozen in a thousand feet , two entrances
17 to a subdivision right here on a 55 mile an hour
18 road within seven houses there .
19 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Any access to
20 Route 71 is subject to state permit, okay?
21 So just -- Even if the city said it ' s okay, it ' s
22 not okay . It ' s subject to the state requirements
23 for separation .
24 They evaluate based on the
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1 state safety criteria and their minimum --
2 minimum or maximum distance between accesses ,
3 they look at existing points of access and try to
4 match them up as much as they can, and these two
5 that are proposed here down on the southwesterly
6 section, down in this area here --
7 MR . MARR : Right .
8 MR . WHITEHOUSE : -- those -- In my
9 opinion, one of those would be approved by the
10 state, but it ' s still up to them.
11 MR . MARR : And then the other one
12 going down into the other section there adjoining
13 that one would be adjacent to it I am presuming .
14 MR . WHITEHOUSE : Yeah . Once in the
15 other previous concept plan that was up there,
16 those are both set up to match these , but it ' s
17 going to be the state ' s call as to whether or not
18 either one of those is permitted, and they may
19 say well , no, you don ' t get either one of those
20 in those locations , you may get one in the middle
21 of the location .
22 They are set up that way
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5 MR . MARR : Do they intend to keep a
6 road like Route 71 free of a stoplight every
7 couple of blocks or whatever so we are going to
8 end up like Naperville?
9 MR . WHITEHOUSE : That is probably
10 the state ' s intent , but, again, that ' s up to
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12 MR . MARR : Thank you .
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : At this point I
14 would ask for a motion to close the public
15 hearing .
16 MS . LUCIETTO : So moved .
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Second?
18 MR . CROUCH : Second .
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and
20 seconded to close the public hearing . Is there
21 discussion on the motion?
22 (No response )
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Hearing none,
24 those in favor signify by saying aye .
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2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed?
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4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motion passes .
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4 CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, being first duly
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Plan Commission Multi-Page"m Ralph- still
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