Plan Commission Minutes 2005 12-14-05 Page 1 of 3
APPROVED 3/8/06
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMISSION
YORKVILLE CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
WEDNESDAY,DECEMBER 14,2005
Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Charles Kraupner, Sandra Adams, Clarence Holdiman, Michael
Crouch, Anne Lucietto, Bill Davis, Brian Schillinger, Jack Jones and Tom Lindblom.
A quorum was established.
CITY STAFF AND VISITORS
Mayor Art Prochaska; City Planner Mike Schoppe; City Attorney John Wyeth; Interim
City Administrator John Crois; Alderman Dean Wolfer; John Whitehouse, Engineering
Enterprises, Inc.; Tony Scott, Record Newspapers; Ray Brucki; attorney Dan Kramer;
YEDC Executive Director Lynn Dubajic; Pam Kleinwachter, We Grow Kids; Dave
Faganel, R.A. Faganel Builders; Marjorie Wentz, R.A. Faganel Builders; and Bill
Zalewski, Jacob &Hefner.
MINUTES
Minutes from the Sept. 14, 2005 Plan Commission meeting were unanimously approved
by voice vote. Commissioner Clarence Holdiman made the motion to approve the
minutes. Commissioner Sandra Adams seconded the motion.
Minutes from the Oct. 26, 2005 Plan Commission meeting were unanimously approved
by voice vote. Commissioner Anne Lucietto made the motion to approve the minutes.
Adams seconded the motion.
Commissioner Michael Crouch made a motion to open the public hearings. Holdiman
seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by voice vote.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. PC 2005-52 Herb and Pam Kleinwachter and Old Second National Bank Trust
8051, petitioners application to annex and rezone.
See attached.
Lucietto made a motion to close the public hearing. Commissioner Jack Jones seconded
the motion. The motion was unanimously approved in a voice vote.
NEW BUSINESS
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1. PC 2005-52 Herb and Pam Kleinwachter and Old Second National Bank Trust
8051, petitioners application to annex and rezone.
Lindblom asked if some easements could be in between the stormwater management area
and the buildings for property to the north and to the south. Attorney Dan Kramer,
representing the petitioners, said it possibly could be done to provide some connectivity.
He said the lots are above city minimum so there's space for easements. Lindblom said
he made the suggestion because he's concerned about the number of cuts onto Route 47.
City Planner Mike Schoppe provided some insights about future developments of the
property surrounding this property. He said the west area is planned for residential, but to
the north he doesn't know of anything, yet. There has been interest immediately east of
the property, he said. If connectivity is a concern, Schoppe said it's safe to say there will
be developments eventually surrounding the property.
Commissioner Brian Schillinger said he fears this development is reminiscent of the
Caledonia-Inland development. The city gave Inland B zoning and a timeline and the
development came back with residential after the timeline expired.
Kramer said the developers want to try to zone the property all business, but he doesn't
think the interest is there. He said he's looking for a flex zoning, which would give
business a shot first. It would allow for low intense zoning such as a daycare center or
offices. Then eventually it would go to R-2 single family zoning if the entire business are
didn't develop.
Commissioner Bill Davis asked if contact had been made with the Illinois Department of
Transportation. Kramer said there's a preliminary draft. He said he wouldn't expect to
need turn lanes or anything of that sort. Consulting engineer John Whitehouse said
IDOT's comments will be based on use and intensity,but the overall intent is to limit cuts
onto Route 47.
Commissioners also addressed the issue of setting precedent. Davis said the commission
is setting a line which would the city would probably need to follow in the future.
Lucietto commented she'd like the minutes to show that Schoppe Design and Associates
prepared all the drawings.
Lucietto made a motion to recommend annexation approval as requested for PC2005-52.
Crouch seconded the motion. The motion was unanimously approved by roll call vote.
Commissioner Charles Kraupner, Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis, Adams, Schillinger, Jones,
Crouch and Lindblom voted yes.
Lucietto then made a motion to recommend zoning as requested for PC2005-52 subject to
compliance with the comprehensive plan and design guidelines. Jones seconded the
motion. The motion was approved 8-1 in a roll call vote. Holdiman, Lucietto, Davis,
Adams, Schillinger, Jones and Lindblom voted yes. Crouch voted no.
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2. PC 2005-56 Dhuse Farm Concept Plan
Dave Faganel, with R.A. Faganel Builders, said the property consists of 93 acres south of
Ament Road and west of Route 47. Plans are to build 167 single-family homes with an
average lots size of 14,000 square feet and a minimum lot size of 12,000 square feet.
He anticipates it would take two to five years for the property to develop and he attended
the Plan Commission to get commissioners' opinions on the concept plan.
Lindblom asked if the developers have talked to the Yorkville School District because the
planned detention basin on the property is just north of a planned school site. Bill
Zalewski, from Jacob & Hefner,who is an engineer on the project, said the detention
basin was located in that particular spot because that is a low area.
Schoppe said city staff has talked with the school district and said the school district is
interested in land rather than cash for this development. Meanwhile, Faganel said he met
with the park district, which seems to like the proposed location for a park.
Lucietto said that none of the proposed road connections actually connect to anything and
said there needs to be more than one exit. She also said the plan has a sticker stamp
appearance and it lacks character. Lindblom too said he'd prefer a more creative
development in the southern portion.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Mayor Art Prochaska informed the commission that the city has hired Travis Miller as
the city's new Community Development Director. He's due to start in January.
The meeting adjourned at 8:10 p.m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by Dina Gipe
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE , ILLINOIS
REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS had at the meeting
of the above-entitled matter taken before
CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, C . S . R . , on December 14 ,
2005 , at the hour of 7 : 00 p . m. , at 800 Game Farm
Road, in the City of Yorkville , Illinois .
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1 P R E S E N T :
2 MR . TOM LINDBLOM, Chairman ;
3 MR . CLARENCE HOLDIMAN ;
4 MS . SANDRA ADAMS ;
5 MS . ANNE LUCIETTO;
6 MR . BILL DAVIS ;
7 MR . CHARLES KRAUPNER;
8 MR . MICHAEL CROUCH;
9 MR . BRIAN SCHILLINGER;
10 MR . JACK JONES ;
11 MR . MIKE SCHOPPE ;
12 MS . DINA GIPS .
13 A P P E A R A N C E S :
14 WYETH, HEITZ & BROMBEREK
300 East Fifth Avenue , Suite 380
15 Naperville , Illinois 60563
( 630 ) 355-1458
16 BY : MR . JOHN JUSTIN WYETH,
appeared on behalf of the United
17 City of Yorkville , Illinois .
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1 ( Proceedings were had
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4 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : And at this time
5 could I have a motion to go to public hearing?
6 MR . CROUCH : So moved .
7 MR . HOLDIMAN : So moved .
8 MS . LUCIETTO : Second .
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and
10 seconded . Those in favor signify by saying aye .
11 (A Chorus of Ayes )
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed?
13 (No Response )
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : We are now in
15 public hearing, and the issue is PC 2005-52 , Herb
16 and Pam Kleinwachter and Old Second National
17 Bank, Trust 8051 , Petitioners , have filed an
18 application with the United City of Yorkville ,
19 Kendall County, Illinois , requesting annexation
20 to the United City of Yorkville and rezoning from
21 Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of
22 Yorkville B-3 Service Business District and R-2
23 One-Family Residence District .
24 The real property consists of
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1 approximately 9 . 81 acres located on Route 47
2 south of Legion Road and north of Ament Road,
3 Kendall Township, Kendall County, Illinois .
4 With that said, before we go
5 into the oath, for Plan Commission members , the
6 second item on our agenda tonight was this aerial
7 photo .
8 This photo happens to show the
9 property in the public hearing very, very
10 clearly, if you hadn ' t noticed that already .
11 Okay . With that being said
12 then, could I have anybody that wishes to address
13 the Commission please raise -- stand and raise
14 your right hand and repeat after me?
15 (Witnesses sworn )
16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Thank you . Dan ,
17 are you --
18 MR . KRAMER : I am.
19 WHEREUPON :
20 DANIEL J . KRAMER,
21 having been first duly sworn, testified before
22 the Yorkville Plan Commission as follows :
23 MR . KRAMER : For the record, Dan
24 Kramer . I am an attorney licensed to practice
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1 law . My address is 1107A South Bridge Street ,
2 Yorkville , Illinois , and I represent the
3 petitioners . Pam Kleinwachter is here behind me
4 on my right this evening .
5 This property is located, as
6 Mr . Lindblom has referred to, in the aerial
7 exhibit that you have on the west side of
8 Route 47 south of Bonnie Lane and consists of
9 approximately 9 . 81 acres .
10 There is a long driveway
11 leading up to the house that sits on the rear of
12 the property, and on the site drawing we have
13 just a bare survey or annexation plat .
14 I don ' t know a good way to get
15 the whole room so back and both sides can see it ,
16 but the house sits at the far west end of the
17 property .
18 Under the city comprehensive
19 plan, the front of the property shows as
20 commercial B-3 , and, again, it ' s not real precise
21 because of the color drawing on a comprehensive
22 plan, so there is no magic of you go in 200 feet
23 or 300 or 400 where it turns to showing
24 residential on the comprehensive plan .
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1 When Herb and Pam came in,
2 initially we talked about the idea of doing
3 county zoning, and I said look, with
4 Weisman-Hughes and all the annexation activity
5 that ' s going on on the east side of 47 , we have
6 to go through the mile-and-a-half review of the
7 City of Yorkville in any event .
8 It seems to me that if there is
9 an availability of municipal utility services , we
10 really ought to be looking at a Yorkville
11 development .
12 So we sat down with Mr . Wyeth,
13 with John, who is sitting over there as your
14 outside consulting engineer, to see about the
15 available of hook-up for sanitary, sewer and
16 water, and it appears that it is possible by
17 boring under Route 47 and connecting to the
18 services that are going north and south on the
19 Weisman-Hughes property .
20 In terms of the land use, Herb
21 and Pam have a real clear vision of their
22 immediate needs and what they want to do, and
23 that is Pam has been actively involved in day
24 care for quite sometime , so she would like to
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2 as the southerly lot here , with the low point of
3 the property .
4 I mean, we wish we could
5 frankly when we develop it -- and we haven ' t
6 platted it yet, so this is a concept design -- we
7 really wish we would flip and get the stormwater
8 management where the commercial buildings are and
9 put the commercial buildings , because the
10 frontage is always most valuable for them and
11 certainly good for the city because it generates
12 the most taxes for the school district and the
13 city .
14 Unfortunately God has put the
15 low points in the front end and so it may have to
16 stay where it is , but that ' s something we will
17 work on as our engineers working with us , Smith
18 Engineering, and with Pam and Herb, but they know
19 for sure they want to develop one commercial lot
20 right away for the day care use , and, again, it
21 will likely be this south lot , whether it ' s moved
22 forward or not .
23 As we were going through the
24 comp plan, like some properties that are on the
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1 fringe , we just aren ' t clever enough I think to
2 say where that line should be .
3 My thought with the
4 Kleinwachters when we discussed it and the way we
5 filed our petition and the way I would suggest
6 approaching the annexation agreement with the
7 city, is flex zoning .
8 In other words , we are asking
9 that we zone the whole parcel B-3 and then we
10 measure off where we are showing the back of
11 these two lots and assign underlying or a back-up
12 R-2 single-family with no variances , meeting all
13 city requirements to it , that if they find out
14 (A) , there isn ' t any business needs in the
15 foreseeable future , that without further public
16 hearing they could drop down and use the R-2 and
17 have that in place .
18 But , again, the road would meet
19 all city standard design, utilities would be all
20 city standard design as far as water , storm
21 sewer, sanitary sewer .
22 MR . SCHILLINGER : What type of time
23 frame?
24 MR . KRAMER : In the past what we ' ve
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1 done , Brian, like with Inland and some of them,
2 I ' d say a six or seven-year window, because ,
3 again, in development terms , a year or two years
4 is nothing, so I think six to seven would be
5 fair .
6 Again, we don ' t know your
7 thoughts . You may say tonight , gee, you know,
8 let ' s arbitrarily cut it right where you ' ve got
9 it and make that the R-2 right now .
10 If you tell us that , we ' re not
11 going to scream and yell , we just think, again,
12 you ' ve got a lot of residential on the east side ,
13 if you do have the opportunity for the business ,
14 let ' s preserve it .
15 At the same time , if there is
16 not a need for it down the road, then it ' s all
17 set up, we ' ve got the lots platted, and we are
IS fine .
19 So that would be our
20 recommendation, we do it as flex zoning, again,
21 zoning the whole parcel on annexation as B-3 ,
22 pick a time frame for that R-2 to kick in, and
23 then I ' d work on the annexation agreement with
24 your city attorney .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . At this
2 time I would just ask if there is any questions
3 or concerns from the audience .
4 (No response )
5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : You are getting
6 off easy tonight , aren ' t you?
7 MR . KRAMER : Hey, I put her to work
8 real hard last night , so give her a break .
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Any questions or
10 concerns ?
11 (No response )
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Hearing
13 none then, I would ask for a motion to adjourn
14 the public hearing and then we ' ll discuss this as
15 a commission .
16 MS . LUCIETTO : So moved .
17 MR . MUNNS : Second .
18 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and
19 seconded to adjourn the public hearing . Further
20 discussion?
21 (No Response )
22 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Hearing none ,
23 those in favor signify by saying aye .
24 (A Chorus of Ayes )
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed?
2 (No Response )
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motion passes .
4 Okay .
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4 CHRISTINE M . VITOSH, being first duly
5 sworn, on oath says that she is a Certified
6 Shorthand Reporter doing business in the State of
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8 That she reported in shorthand the
9 proceedings had at the foregoing public meeting;
10 And that the foregoing is a true and
11 correct transcript of her shorthand notes so
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13 proceedings had at the said public meeting .
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Yorkville Plan Commission Multi-Page Galena - mom
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Naperville, Illinois (630) 983-0030
Yorkville Plan Commission Multi-Page money - property
December 14, 2005
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Yorkville Plan Commission Multi-Page proposal - three
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Yorkville Plan Commission Multi-Page"" through - zoning
December 14, 2005
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