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Plan Commission Minutes 2001 07-11-01 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES JULY 11, 2001 Chairman Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. Roll Call: Members Present: Anne Lucietto Kerry Green Jeff Baker Bob Wenman Clarence Holdiman Sandra Adams Jack Jones Ted King Janet Reaves Tom Lindblom A quorum was established. Approve Minutes: Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Green seconded to accept the minutes of the meeting of the May 9. 2001 Plan Commission. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. Mr. Green motioned and Mr. Baker seconded to accept the minutes of the meeting of the June 13, 2001 Plan Commission. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. Chairman Lindblom welcomed our new City Administrator, Tony Graff, stating he was here in place of City Engineer, Joe Wywrot who is on vacation. Additionally, Chairman Lindblom stated that Plan Commission member, Bob Wenman will be moving out of the City at the end of August and is therefore resigning his position. Chairman Lindblom asked Mayor Prochaska if he had any announcements. Mayor Prochaska stated he had nothing to add at this time. Chairman Lindblom asked anyone wishing to speak during the public hearing to stand for the oath. He explained that motions would be done after all public hearings were concluded and asked for a motion to open the public hearing, and asked if anyone had any questions. There were none. Ms. Adams motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to go into the public hearing for PC 2001-03 Bristol Club & Bristol Station. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. 1 PUBLIC HEARING: PC 2001-03 Bristol Club & Bristol Station: PTB, 4M Associates, petitioners seeking to annex into the United City of Yorkville and re-zone from Kendall County "A" Agricultural to United City of Yorkville R-1 (One Family Residence District), R-3 (General Residence District) and B-3 (Service Business District with a Planned Unit Development(PUD). The property is located at the southwest and southeast corners of Galena Road and Cannonball Trail in Bristol Township, Kendall County, Illinois. Gregg Gabel, Senior Planner for Lay Com presented the plan stating this development is located on the southeast and southwest corners of Galena and Cannonball Trail and has 154 total acres. Kendall County has plans to extend Cannonball Trail north to meet Dickson Road, and that Galena Road has restrictive access. Cannonball access is less restrictive. They plan to have 119 acres of R-1 Single Family with 103 Estate lots on the west side of Cannonball. They are here seeking annexation and zoning. The west side will be R-1 with 2 acre sites. They plan to present future plans that will show City of Yorkville water which is expected to be available in the near future, but they may do a well temporarily until City water becomes available. They are working with Kendall County either septic or mechanical sewer. There will be a large amount of open space and they will plant large numbers of trees, and the open area will have lots around it along with berms, and the present wetlands will be preserved and maintained. They propose a trail system in lieu of sidewalks, and will meet the subdivision ordinance and the zoning ordinance. They are seeking 25 foot roadways with curb and gutter. Ms. Reaves asked if this would be gated. Mr. Gabel stated they would have an imposing entrance so you would know it is private, but they do not plan for it to be gated as you run into problems with emergency services. The east side entry will match up to the west side entrance. They plan on 9 acres of B-3 Highway commercial along Galena, but Kendall County does not want access onto Galena, so the access will be on Cannonball. The configuration of businesses is optional, and the townhomes on this side will depend on the product. They plan on them being 1300 to 2600 square feet with 2 car garages and two car driveways. They are seeking a 60 foot right-of-way rather than 66 feet, and ask that the City be open to them blending the density on the east being heavier density with the west side which would be very low density. They will meet the landscape ordinance. The east side will be a sewer and water project so it will be a number of years for that to be available, so that will be on hold for quite a few years. Chairman Lindblom asked for comments. There were none. Mr. Dickson was sworn in(as he arrived after the swearing-in). He asked where the City Limits is located in regard to this development. 2 Mayor Prochaska stated that the Asparagus Crate at Route#47 and Corneils is annexed, as is Undesser at the southwest corner of Galena and Route #47 as well as the parcel to the north of the Burlington Railroad tracks on the east side of route#47. Mr. Dickson asked if he was planning to annex into the City of Yorkville, and where he planned on the sewer coming from. Mr. Gabel stated he was planning to annex. The City of yorkville wants to include this area in the City, and they would wait for sewer to be available for the east side but plan for septic or mechanical sewer systems on the west. Mr. Dickson asked how close the Fox Metro Sanitary District is to this development. Chairman Lindblom stated that Fox Metro's annexing area is near and behind the Willowbrook subdivision. Mr. Dickson sated those are the only questions he had. Attorney Kramer stated that Fox Metro has to the end of Mill Street Chairman Lindblom asked for any further comments. With none he asked for a motion. Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to go out of the public hearing for PC 2001-03 Bristol Club & Bristol Station. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. OLD BUSINESS: PC 2001-03 Bristol Club & Bristol Station: PTB, 4M Associates, petitioners seeking to annex into the United City of Yorkville and re-zone from Kendall County "A" Agricultural to United City of Yorkville R-1 (One Family Residence District),R-3 (General Residence District) and B-3 (Service Business District with a Planned Unit Development(PUD). Chairman Lindblom stated he was concerned with only one entrance from Cannonball into the east side development. Mr. Gabel stated they would add another access. Mr. Wenman stated he would prefer lower density. Chairman Lindblom stated he did not favor leveling our density . Mr. Gabel stated he had lower the density some. Ms. Lucietto stated he was still averaging. 3 Mr. Wenman stated he thought larger townhomes would be a better mix with the estate size homes. Mr. Gabel stated the east side is three years away and they need to wait and see what the upper end is, but want to keep this plan at 134 units. Ms. Adams stated these are separate units. Mayor Prochaska stated that this will be revised, it shows low density and will be involved in a specific plan as a transition area. Mr. Gabel stated that 1.5 units per acre is low density. When this becomes contiguous I'm building a home and so is Joe. Attorney Kramer stated as it is now Kendall County will only issue one permit and Joe may go ahead with that one permit. Administrator Graff stated that Mike Schoppe had mentioned a PUD, but he west side is a good thing. He is concerned about annexing and a PUD. There are a few issues, one is will there be one, maybe two wells put in, and will they abandon the wells and septic when services are available. The private road idea is OK, and Joe likes the 24 foot with curb. Schoppe has no problem with annexing and zoning, but feels there is a ways to go before this is ready for Preliminary. There has been no discussion about parks, but they feel the southeast side is suitable for parks. Schoppe and Wywrot wanted an additional entrance to the east and 5.7 units is not realistic. He spoke to Mr. Pfister at YBSD and this is not in the Fox Metro planning area, but is in the YBSD planning area, and they could connect to Fox Metro temporarily, until YBSD is available. All fees must be paid to YBSD. If acreage is taken out of the plan the formula changes. They need to plan for rural housing so as not to add heavy traffic to the County roads. The commercial is a good thing. Mr. Gabel stated that Mr. Schoppe did agree with blending numbers for density. This is still at Concept, but the City of Yorkville encouraged this for building their north corridor,but have not agreed to any deviation from the standards. Mayor Prochaska stated we did approach them, and the Kendall/county Comprehensive Plan clearly stated that areas near the community should be annexed into the City and become part of the community. The City is looking for water main to the north to loop up Kennedy and this is part of that plan. Averaging is not a new concept, but you have to look at how it fits into the community. You must look at some areas as transitions to denser areas to the north and east. Look at the big picture. Be aware too that the Comprehensive Plan shows a road through here, and do we need a connection to Route #47? Most likely. Also consider a public access park. Mr. Green asked what the time frame is for water. 4 Mayor Prochaska stated this is driven by development. Other areas are being developed near hear. Mr. Green stated he had no problem with density, but road widths are a concern for him for large parties, etc. Mr. Jones stated that a former alderman warned them in the past to beware of PUD's, and things to come. Ms. Reaves stated there is an ordinance in place and it should be followed. Mr. Gabel stated that a PUD does follow the ordinances. Chairman Lindblom stated separately,the west is great. Attorney Kramer stated the motion can be separate, but annexation should be one motion. Segregate the zoning. Chairman Lindblom stated we have talked about Montgomery coming down and we need to be flexible with our density. We are putting this in the middle. From a Fire Protection stand point, it doesn't work. Stick to the standards. Mr. Gabel asked for an example of the standard being for Fire Protection. Chairman Lindblom stated for many reasons. The ability to provide fire protection. That area to the east is our Fire Protection District and it is a concern. He is hesitant to approve for Fire Protection District. Mayor Prochaska asked if he meant est or west side. Chairman Lindblom stated the east, that he had no problem with the west side, and asked for motions at Attorney Kramer's suggestions. Ms. Lucietto motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to approve the annexation for PC 2001-03 Bristol Club & Bristol Station to annex into the United Cif of Yorkville. On a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. Ms. Lucietto motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to accept R-1 (One Family Residence District). with B-3 Service Business District as12art of a Planned Unit Development(PUD) for PC 2001-03 Bristol Club located on the west side of Cannonball Trail. On a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. Mayor Prochaska stated that a PUD is not for the purpose of seeking variances, but in fact is for use in situations that are unique to the property. 5 Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Baker seconded to approve the B-3 (Service Business District) subject to the Planned Unit Development PUD) for PC 2001-03 Bristol Center located on the east side of Cannonball Trail. On a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried. Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. King seconded to approve the R-3 (General Residence Districtl. as part of a Planned Unit Development PUD) for PC 2001-03 Bristol Center located on the east side of Cannonball Trail. On a roll call vote seven(7) members voting no. and three (3) members voted yes. Motion failed. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS Mayor Prochaska informed the Commission that there was a copy of the Preliminary Plan for the Route#47 expansion project available for viewing following the meeting in the City Conference Room. Ms. Lucietto motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to adjourn. On a voice vote all members voting yes. Motion carried. Adjournment at 8:05 PM Minutes by Sandy Marker 6 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISISON SIGN-IN SHEET JULY 11,2001 NAM (PLEASE P T!) REPRESENTING PHONE -70� dQA i