Plan Commission Minutes 2000 11-08-00 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
NOVEMBER 8, 2000
Chairman Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
Roll Call:
Members Present: Anne Lucietto Joe Besco
Lawrence Langland Tom Mizel
Jack Jones Jeff Baker
Janet Reaves Bob Wenman
Andrew Kubala Clarence Holdiman
Brian Schillinger Tom Lindblom
A quorum was established.
Chairman Lindblom explained the process for tonight's 6 public hearings directing anyone who
wished to speak during a public hearing to sign the sign-in sheet for those speaking.
Minutes:
Mr. Kubala motioned and Mr. Baker seconded to accept the minutes of the meeting of the
October 11. 2000 Plan Commission. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion
carried.
Chairman Lindblom asked anyone wishing to speak during any of the 6 public hearings to stand,
and he administer the oath to speakers. He explained that motions for each items passage would
be done after all public hearings were concluded and the Commission had gone into the Old &
New Business portions of the meeting.
Chairman Lindblom asked for a motion to open the public hearings.
Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Langland seconded to go into the public hearing portion of the
meeting. On a voice vote all member s present voting yes. Motion carried.
Chairman Lindblom opened the first public hearing for discussion.
Public Hearing: PC 2000-19 Robert& Gail Fisher, Diane Conover and John& Delores
Lies seeking to annex into the United City of Yorkville and re-zone from
Kendall County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville B-3 Service
Business District and R-2 One Family Residential District. The property
is located north of the Burlington Railroad tracks and on the east side of
Route#47, Yorkville.
Attorney Kramer stated that the City of Yorkville had invited this annexation and re-zoning, and
they would come in based on our standard annexation agreement.
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There were no comments from the audience.
Mr. Kubala motioned and Ms. Lucietto seconded to go out of public hearing for PC 2000-19 and
move on to PC 2000-20. On a voice vote all member s present voting yes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing: PC 2000-20 The Stough Group with Judith I. Bell, Jennie M. Mulvey and
Richard Huston, petitioners request for a P.U.D. (Planned Unit
Development). The property is located adjacent to and east of 7114 South
Route #47 in Yorkville, Illinois.
Mr. Bilotta, of the Stough Group stated they had presented a concept plan in September, and
based on the input from those meetings had made revisions. These revisions include less units
per acre and additional parking spaces.
Mr. Marciniak asked to see the design boards of the development, and asked about plans for the
wetlands.
Mr. Bilotta reviewed the design boards and plans for the audience, and added that the parcel has
a lot of slopes and trees and they would do their best to keep as many of the trees as possible. In
regard to the wetland, they would do whatever the Army Corp of Engineers wanted done.
Chairman Lindblom asked for further discussion, there was none.
Mr. Kubala motioned and Ms. Lucietto seconded to go out of public hearing for PC 2000-20, and
into PC 2000-22. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing: PC 2000-22 Paul D. & Cynthia Buck, petitioners request rezoning from
United City of Yorkville R-2 One Family Residence District to B-3
Service Business District. The property is located at 101 W. Fox Street in
Yorkville.
Attorney Kramer stated that the City Building Official, Mr. Bill Dettmer requested the zoning be
changed to conform, and Mr. Buck is here for questions.
Mr. Buck stated he had no plans whatsoever for this property at this time.
Mr. Sallisbury asked bout future use.
Mr. Buck stated again he has no plans for this property.
Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to go out of public hearing for PC 2000-22, and
into PC 2000-24. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
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Public Hearing : PC 2000-24 Fox Mill Landing -Paul Snowwhite and Carl Anderson
requesting a revision to the existing P.U.D. (Planned Unit Development).
The property is located at 310 Hydraulic Street in Yorkville.
Mr. Anderson who has taken this development over, stated that he was seeking some revisions to
the PUD agreement. The original PUD shows a storm line on Mill Street, but there isn't any
there. They are seeking to install two manholes and connect to the existing storm sewer line.
Attorney Kramer stated that the original development was larger and included some additional
new buildings.
Mr. Hawkinson asked why this property has only been mowed one time this summer, and stated
there needs to be better upkeep.
Mr. Anderson stated he was working on getting things done better.
Mr. Jones motioned and Ms. Lucietto seconded to go out of public hearing for PC 2000-24, and
into PC 2000-25. On a voice vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing: PC 2000-25 Gail Fisher, Delores J. Lies and Diane J. Conover and John G.
Conover request re-zoning from R-2 One Family Residence District to B-2
General Business District. The property is located on the south side of
Route #34 and east of Cannonball Trail in Yorkville.
Mr. Jim Ratos stated he was seeking to purchase this parcel, and wanted to change the zoning to
conform with the parcel to the west which he owns and is zoned B-2. He plans to build an
upscale restaurant on this parcel, adding that many of the buildings around Countryside Center
and along route#47 near route#34 are building he has built and they are all attractive buildings.
Mr. Lee Heise stated he lives on an adjacent parcel and asked about the use, stating that would
bring traffic noise with an entrance and exit.
Mr. Ratos stated that IDOT has told him an entrance off of route#34 is OK, and they plan for all
entrance and exits to be off of either route#34 or Cannonball Trail. There will be no entrance or
exiting off of John Street or Independence.
Mr. Jones motioned and Ms. Lucietto seconded to go out of public hearing for PC 2000-24, and
into the Public Hearing regarding Tattoo & Body Piercing Establishments.. On a voice vote all
members present voting yes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing 6: Proposed Ordinance Amendment to Title 10, Chapter 8, Articles A& B,
Section 3 of the Municipal Code concerning Tattoo & Body Piercing
establishments.
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Chief Graff explained that this is a zoning issue to put these type of establishments into the M-1
and M-2 zoning much like what has been done with massage establishments, with a 500 feet
minimum apart. This zoning eliminates having them locate close to schools or places where
youths frequent. There will also be an ordinance regulating their operation. WE currently have a
45 day moratorium.
Mr. Langland stated this appears to be a protective measure.
Mr. Mizel asked if the Police Department is happy with the wording of this ordinance.
Chief Graff stated yes.
Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to go out of the public hearing for PC 2000-24,
and adjourn the public hearing portion of the meeting. On a voice vote all members present
voting yes. Motion carried. Adjourned
New Business:
PC 2000-19 Robert & Gail Fisher,Diane Conover and John & Delores Lies,
petitioners requesting to annex into the United City of Yorkville and re-zone from Kendall
County A-1 Agricultural to United City of Yorkville B-3 Service Business District.
Chairman Lindblom asked for discussion.
Mr. Baker asked for clarification on the location.
Attorney Kramer stated this is on the east side of route#47, and immediately north of the
Railroad tracks and Amurol.
There was no further discussion.
Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Langland seconded to accept the annexation of PC 2000-19. On
a roll call vote, all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Schillinger seconded to accept the R-2 and B-3 zoning of PC
2000-19 with the standard annexation agreement. On a roll call vote, all members present voting
yes. Motion carried.
PC 2000-20 The Stough Group with Judith I. Bell,Jennie M. Mulvey and
Richard Huston, petitioners present their Preliminary Plan and request a P.U.D.
(Planned Unit Development).
Mr. Jones asked about the variance list attached to the petition and plan.
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Mr. Schoppe stated these had not been worked through yet.
Mr. Wywrot stated that some of these are mentioned in his review of this project dated 10/31/00
attached, and they have agreed to meet on these items.
Mr. Baker asked if they should assume the variances are OK with the City.
Mr. Wywrot stated that the variances requested are for a private road, a density issue and parking
requirements. These issues need to be resolved by the City Council.
Mr. Schillinger asked why he asked for a variance from 20 foot required for parking distance
from the roadway to 19 feet. It seems he should just be in compliance.
Mr. Wywrot stated that the radius request is for what is primarily a driveway.
Mr. Jones asked if the City would be maintaining this driveway.
Mr. Wywrot stated this goes to the Park Board.
Mr. Mizel stated that some measurements have changed in the Subdivision Ordinance and some
of these have gone to less than what the Subdivision Ordinance calls for.
Mr. Baker stated that he is concerned with seniors ability to maneuver their cars here.
Mr. Mizel asked about parking on the street.
Mr. Schillinger stated since Mr. Bilottta stated that most of these seniors don't drive, but he is
concerned with visitor parking and picking up of seniors on the street could be tough.
Mr. Bilotta stated this has never been a problem in any of their developments.
Mr. Schillinger stated that the City has a set of rules and regulations, and wanted to know why
they should cut back on these standards.
Mr. Bilotta stated this project is for low income senior apartments, and if this became a big
problem, he would try to fix it.
Mr. Mizel stated that the rear to rear building separation requirement is 60 feet, this has been cut
to 50 feet, and these measurements have been established for a reason.
Mr. Bilotta stated this is typically 35 feet, but Yorkville has 60 feet.
Mr. Mizel asked Mr. Wywrot if these changes would affect the radius.
Mr. Wywrot stated not necessarily.
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Mr. Jones asked if the City of Yorkville has a problem with all of these variances.
Mr. Wywrot stated that is for the City Council to decide.
Mr. Jones stated it seemed to him there were too many items hanging out there.
Mr. Mizel asked Mr. Wywrot if this were public instead of private would the needs be different.
Mr. Wywrot stated that public streets have different needs and requirements.
Mr. Mizel asked about the tie in from Fox Highlands to the east for a second access.
Mr. Mizel stated there would be one way in and out for a long time.
Mr. Wywrot stated Fox Highlands is moving along.
Mr. Mizel asked bout road maintenance.
Mr. Bilotta stated they have equipment and plowing isn't a problem.
Ms. Lucietto stated the drawings show streets marked 24 feet.
Mr. Bilotta stated that should be 24 feet back to back.
Mr. Schillinger stated that St. Joseph will become a main road, maybe it should be 30 feet wide.
Mr. Bilotta stated that was do-able.
Mr. Schoppe stated that was a good idea since it will function as a public street even if it
remains a private road.
Mr. Sticka stated that wider streets encourages faster moving traffic.
Mr. Bilotta stated that speed bumps resolve that problem.
Mr. Mizel asked Mr. Wywrot to refresh his memory about 30 feet being the minimum standard
width for streets.
Mr. Wywrot stated yes 30 feet is the minimum.
Mr. Bilotta stated they put up their own speed limit signs.
Attorney Kramer stated they can give the City permission to go in and enforce the speed.
Mr. Bilotta stated they will do what they have to resolve the problem.
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Mr. Mizel asked what IDOT's standard is.
Mr. Wywrot stated that IDOT has 28 foot roads, back to back. The City has maintained a
transition to 30 feet.
Mr. Schillinger asked if he would do 28 feet with speed bumps.
Mr. Bilotta stated he loved speed bumps.
Mr. Mizel stated he would like assurance about parking on curves.
Mr. Bilotta stated they will be here a long time and will do what they can.
Mr. Wenman stated that speed bumps and emergency vehicles do not work together, a rumble
strip is better.
Mr. Mizel asked to again see a typical foot print.
Mr. Bilotta put up a drawing which satisfied Mr. Mizel.
Mr. Schillinger asked about room sizes.
Mr. Bilotta stated the living room is 13.9 x 13.10. bedroom is 12 x 12 and kitchen is 13.10 x 9.6
laundry is 6 or 7 feet wide.
Mr. Mizel asked about the community building.
Mr. Bilotta stated the seniors use them a lot and each resident has a key. The doors lock when
you go out.
Members expressed concern with road width, speed, parking and density.
Mr. Schoppe asked that they define their parking concerns
Mr. Mizel stated he questioned parking on street.
Mr. Bilotta stated that if parking becomes a problem, they would add parking to rectify the
problem, they have a forty year commitment and it is important that everything works well.
Chairman Lindblom suggested a motion including concerns.
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Mr. Wenman motioned and Mr. Schillinger seconded to recommend a PUD for PC 2000-with
condition of road width, private street of 28 feet and parking limitations, with speed control and
posted speed limit and increased length of parking spaces from 19 feet to 20 feet on the feeder
road and to meet the recommendations of Mr. Wywrot and Mr. Schoppe. On a roll call vote of
12 members present, 10 voted yes, and 2 voted no. Motion carried.
PC 2000-22 Paul D. & Cynthia Buck, petitioners request rezoning from United City
of Yorkville R-2 One Family Residence District to B-3 Service Business District.
Chairman Lindblom asked for any discussion on this issue. There was none.
Mr. Kubala motioned and Mr. Wenman seconded to re-zone PC 2000-22 from United City of
Yorkville R-2 One Family Residence District to B-3 Service Business District as presented. On
a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
PC 2000-24 Fox Mill Landing- Paul Snowwhite and Carl Anderson requesting a
revision to the existing P.U.D. (Planned Unit Development).
Chairman Lindblom asked for discussion on this issue.
Mr. Wywrot stated that this development was originally larger and included some townhomes.
Mr. Anderson proposes to complete only the existing building and there are some sidewalk and
storm sewer issues relating to the original development. The City recommends acceptance.
Mr. Lucietto asked bout a fence.
Mr. Anderson stated there would be a privacy fence.
Ms. Lucietto asked if there would be a culvert for the birds.
Mr. Anderson stated yes.
Mr. Baker motioned and Mr. Wenman seconded to approve the revisions to the PUD for PC
2000-24 Fox Mill Landing. On a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
PC 2000-25 Gail Fisher, Delores J. Lies and Diane J. Conover and John G. Conover
request re-zoning from R-2 One Family Residence District to
B-2 General Business District.
Chairman Lindblom requested discussion on this topic.
Ms. Lucietto stated that a strip mall was mentioned in the minutes of Plan Council.
Mr. Ratos, developer stated that he plans the strip mall for the corner parcel, immediately to the
west of this parcel.
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Mr. Mizel asked about the entrance to the property.
Mr. Ratos stated the entrance will be from the west and also IDOT has informed him there is
access available from route #34. There will be no entry or exit from John Street, only route #34
and Cannonball Trail.
Property owner stated he was concerned with the use and lighting of any proposed business.
Mr. Baker motioned and Mr. Jones seconded to approve the re-zoning of PC 2000-25, the Gail
Fisher, Delores J. Lies and Diane J. Conover and John G. Conover request for re-zoning from
R-2 One Family Residence District to B-2 General Business District. On a roll call vote 11
members present voting yes. One member present voting no. Motion carried.
Proposed Ordinance Amendment to Title 10, Chapter 8, Articles A & B, Section 3 of
the Municipal Code concerning Tattoo & Body Piercing establishments.
Chairman Lindblom asked for discussion on this issue.
Attorney Kramer stated that these kind of establishments used to be located in more shady areas,
but in recent years the trend is toward to locate near schools and in more upscale neighborhoods.
This has become an issue for zoning to keep them away from school areas and out of the public
eye.
Ms Lucietto motioned and Mr. Baker seconded to approve the Ordinance Amendment to Title
10 Chapter 8 Articles A& B. Section 3 of the Municipal Code concerning Tattoo & Body
Piercing establishments. On a roll call vote all members present voting yes. Motion carried.
Ms Lucietto motioned and Mr. Kubala seconded to adjourn. On a voice vote all members
voting yes. Motion carried. Adjournment at 8:45 PM
Adjourned at 8:15 PM
Minutes by Sandy Marker
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