Plan Commission Minutes 2011 11-09-11
APPROVED 02/08/12
UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
PLAN COMMISSION
Library Historic Room
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:00pm
Commission Members in Attendance:
Chairman Tom Lindblom Jane Winninger
Jeff Baker Art Prochaska
James Weaver Michael Crouch
Sandra Adams Jack Jones (
arr. 7:10pm)
Absent: Charles Kraupner
Other City Staff
Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Economic Development Director
Mark Hardin, Code Official
Brad Sanderson, EEI Engineer for City
Other Guests
Dan Kramer, Attorney Jake Daab, Pulte Homes
Chuck Byrum, Pulte Homes Gary Doverspike
Paul Doverspike Leon Pierce, Autumn Creek
Bonnie Madison Samuel Parodi, Autumn Creek
Dave & Lisa Schillinger Peter & Lori St. Denis
Rose Spears, Alderman Christine Vitosh, Depo Court Reporting
Meeting Called to Order
Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7:00pm.
Roll Call
Roll call was taken and a quorum was established.
Chairman Lindblom also introduced Mark Hardin and Engineer Brad Sanderson.
Previous Meeting Minutes -
October 12, 2011
The minutes were approved as read on a motion by Crouch and second by Prochaska.
Unanimous voice vote approval.
Citizen’s Comments
None
Public Hearings
The first Public Hearing was opened at 7:03 on a motion by Crouch and second by
Winninger. Unanimous voice vote approval.
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Chairman Lindblom swore in those who would give testimony during the Hearings.
1.PC 2011-06 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners, have filed
an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting rezoning of 3
parcels on Worsley St (lots 4, 5 and 6) from R-1 One Family Residence
District to R-2 One Family Residence District. The real property consists of
a total of approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St. and
east of Worsley Rd in Yorkville.
(See Court Reporter’s Transcript)
PC 2011-08 Pulte Home Corp. petitioners, has filed an application with the
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United City of Yorkville, requesting an amendment to the Final Plat of
Subdivision for Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek Subdivision and an amendment
to that portion of the Autumn Creek Planned Unit Development Agreement
related to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 dated April 12, 2005 and
amended July 13, 2010 for the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned for
townhome units for proposed single-family detached units. The portion of
the real property affected by the requested amendment consists of
approximately 13.07 acres and is generally located in the Autumn Creek
Subdivision immediately north of Route 34 and south of Kennedy Road in
Yorkville
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(See Court Reporter’s Transcript)
The Commission listened to both Hearings prior to discussion. The Hearings concluded
at approximately 7:42pm on a motion by Jones and second by Crouch. Voice vote
approval.
Old Business
None
New Business
1.PC 2011-06 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners, have filed
an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting rezoning of three
parcels on Worsley Street (Lots 4, 5 and 6) from R-1 One Family Residence
District to R-2 One Family Residence District. The property consists of a
total of approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St and east
of Worsley Rd. in Yorkville.
Mr. Prochaska noted that the agenda states .73 acres and on the Public Hearing it states
.93 acres and this needs correction. Attorney Kramer noted that the legal description is
correct. Commissioner Jones said the water problem needs to be examined if a positive
recommendation is given. Site plans and engineering plans will be done to evaluate the
problem according to Mr. Sanderson.
Action Item
i. Rezoning
Motion
: Mr. Crouch moved and Ms. Adams seconded the motion to approve the
rezoning as requested. Chairman Lindblom reviewed the Finding of Fact with the
Commission members with brief discussion following each point.
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Commissioner Crouch moved to amend the motion to recommend approval of the
subject to comments from the city engineering consultant
rezoning . Ms. Adams
seconded the motion for this amendment. Voice vote approval for the amendment.
Roll call vote on amended motion: Jones-yes, Baker-yes, Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes,
Crouch-yes, Adams-yes, Winninger-yes, Lindblom-yes. Passed 8-0.
2.PC 2011-07 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners have filed
an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting preliminary plan
and final plat approval of the resubdivision of three parcels on Worsley
Street (Lots 4, 5 and 6) into 2 parcels. The property consists of
approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St and east of
Worsley Road in Yorkville.
Action Items
i. Preliminary Plan
ii. Final Plat
Motion:
Mike Crouch moved and James Weaver seconded the motion to recommend
approval.
Discussion: Commissioner Crouch said some very valuable input was provided by
meeting attendees and Engineering will have to address the runoff problem and the steep
grade. Commenting on the narrow road in front of this parcel, Commissioner Prochaska
encouraged discussion between Mr. St. Denis and Mr. Henne to avoid any future
problems. Attorney Kramer will ask Mr. Henne to contact Mr. St. Denis about access to
the property and he agreed with the overall recommendation subject to staff comments.
Roll call vote: Baker-yes, Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes, Crouch-yes, Adams-yes,
Winninger-yes, Jones-yes, Lindblom-yes. Motion passed 8-0.
3.PC 2011-08 Pulte Home Corp, petitioner, has filed an application with the
United City of Yorkville requesting an amendment to the Final Plat of
Subdivision for Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek Subdivision and an amendment
to that portion of the Autumn Creek Planned Unit Development Agreement
related to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 dated April 12, 2005 and
amended July 13, 2010 for the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned for
townhome units for proposed single-family detached units. The portion of
the real property affected by the requested amendment consists of
approximately 13.07 acres and is generally located in the Autumn Creek
Subdivision immediately north of Rte. 34 and south of Kennedy Road in
Yorkville.
Action Items
iii. Preliminary Plan
iv. Final Plat
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Motion:
Commissioners Crouch and Prochaska, respectively, moved and seconded to
approve these items subject to staff comments.
Discussion: Chairman Lindblom said it seemed apparent that some issues had been
neglected and should be resolved. The engineer and Ms. Barksdale-Noble met with Pulte
in regards to a punchlist of items to be completed and this will be on next month’s Public
Works committee agenda for letters of reduction.
Citizen Bonnie Madison commented on the need for upkeep of the property, lack of
sidewalk and other issues. Some of the commissioners encouraged Pulte to install a
sidewalk and to address some of the other concerns.
Ms. Winninger asked how many more townhomes would be built if the requested
changes were approved. There would be approximately 15 additional.
Roll call vote: Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes, Crouch-yes, Adams-yes, Winninger-yes,
Jones-yes, Baker-yes, Lindblom-yes. Passed 8-0.
Additional Business
It was noted by Ms. Barksdale-Noble that at last month’s meeting, the Plan Commission
had given a positive recommendation to a Public Hearing concerning rezoning for 312
Walter St. She said the Zoning Board of Appeals voted against this item following a
Public Hearing. This matter will proceed to City Council on November 22 and will
require a super majority vote to override if they choose to approve the request.
Adjournment
There was no further business and the meeting was adjourned on a motion by Jones and
second by Prochaska. Meeting adjourned at 8:05pm.
Respectfully submitted by
Marlys Young, Minute Taker
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UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE
YORKVILLE , ILLINOIS
PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
PUBLIC HEARING
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Yorkville, Illinois
Wednesday, November 9 , 2011
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1 PRESENT :
2 Mr . Tom Lindblom, Chairman,
3 Mr . Jeff Baker,
4 Mr . Michael Crouch,
5 Mr . Jack Jones ,
6 Mr . Charles Kraupner,
7 Mr . Art Prochaska,
8 Mr . James Weaver,
9 Ms . Jane Winninger .
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12 Ms . Krysti Noble, Community Development
13 Director;
14 Ms . Marlys Young, Minute Taker .
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1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I would entertain a
2 motion to enter into the public hearing . Take
3 both of them at the same time .
4 MR . CROUCH : Move to adjourn to public
07:01PM 5 hearing .
6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Is there a second?
7 MR. WEAVER: Second.
8 MS . ADAMS : Second .
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and seconded .
I07:01PM 10 Those in favor signify by saying aye .
I11 (A chorus of ayes . )
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed?
13 (No response . )
i 14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motion passes . At
07:01PM 15 this time could I have anybody that wishes to
16 present to the Commission to stand and raise your
17 right hand?
18 (Witnesses sworn . )
19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : For the record then
07:02PM 20 let me read public hearing PC 2011-06, Verne Henne
21 and Steven and Dawn Friel , petitioners , have filed
22 an application with the United City of Yorkville,
j 23 Kendall County, Illinois , requesting rezoning of
! 24 three parcels on Worsley Street ,
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1 Lots 4 , 5 and 6 , from R1 One-Family Residence
2 District to R-2 One-Family Residence District .
3 The real property consists of a
4 total of approximately 0 . 73 acres and is located
07:03PM 5 south of East Main Street and east of Worsley Road
6 in Yorkville, Illinois .
7 And who is presenting for the
8 petitioner?
9 MR. KRAMER: I am. For the record, my
07:03PM 10 name is Daniel J . Kramer . My address is 1107A
11 South Bridge Street , Yorkville, Illinois . I am an
12 attorney licensed to practice law in the state of
13 Illinois , and I represent the co-petitioners , the
14 record title holders , Dawn and Steve Friel and
07:03PM 15 Verne Henne, who is purchasing the property from
16 them and will end up building houses on it .
17 As Mr . Lindholm, the chairman
18 said is the -- or Lindblom, sorry, said in the
19 public notice, the property is currently divided
07:03PM 20 into three smaller lots . The aerial has been
21 provided by the City here showing the property .
22 It ' s slightly south of Main Street and is bounded
23 on the west by Worsley and on the east by Gawne
24 Lane .
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1 What the owners and Mr . Henne
2 propose to do is to create two larger lots instead
3 of the three smaller lots , and they would orient
4 two houses , one facing east off of Gawne and one
07:04PM 5 facing west off of Worsley .
6 We are showing the setbacks in
7 front, and we would provide utility easements for
8 natural gas , for electric .
9 There is a main sanitary sewer
07:04PM 10 easement that goes through what ' s called Lot 2 now
11 on the north/south basis that the Friels granted
12 to the City some years ago .
13 We would propose to develop the two
I 14 lots with all city services ; they would have
07:04PM 15 water, they would have sanitary sewer, they would
16 not be septic, and would conform in terms of the
17 City ordinance for R2 .
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19 12 , 000 square feet, they would meet all of the
07:04PM 20 setback requirements , and they would have to
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21 comply with the City current landscape code and so
22 on .
23 The property is already annexed into
24 the City, it is part of the City now, and,
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1 frankly, has sat undeveloped for quite a number of
2 years .
3 So we ' re asking for two things ;
1 4 we ' re asking for a positive recommendation to the
1 07:05PM 5 City Council to rezone from Rl single family, the
l 6 three small lots , which would all be
i 7 non-conforming in terms of setbacks for R1 , to go
8 to R2 , combine the three into two lots , and we do
9 have a combined preliminary and final plat with it
07:05PM 10 being a small subdivision with only two lots .
11 There is some Staff comments from
12 the City Engineer and City Staff with some more
13 labeling that needs to go onto some block changes
14 as far as signature , and we have no problem with
07:05PM 15 any of those recommendations .
16 So subject to those recommendations ,
17 we would also ask for a positive recommendation to
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18 the City Council for approval of the preliminary
19 and final plat .
07:05PM 20 And we ' re happy to answer any
21 questions and certainly will take comments from
22 the audience when the Chair deems appropriate .
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Is there
24 anybody in the audience that has any comments
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2 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Yes , I do .
3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , sir .
! 4 MR . DOVERSPIKE : My name is Paul
07:06PM 5 Doverspike . I ' m at 302 Sanders Court , Yorkville .
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6 Two questions . First one is -- this
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1 7 is my first time to a public meeting in this
8 nature , so the first question, I don ' t know if I
9 address it to the council here or to this
07:06PM 10 gentleman here, but I received a notification that
11 this was going to go on, certified mail, and so my
12 first question is , why . Why did you invite me? I
13 don ' t even know you . I like you . So far .
14 MR . KRAMER: That ' s a great start .
07:06PM 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Dan, do you want
16 to --
17 MR. KRAMER: I don ' t know if you want to
18 ask both questions and then --
19 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Well , I want to ask
07:062m 20 that one first, then I ' ll go to the second one .
21 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Basically, under
22 Illinois law, we ' re supposed to do a newspaper
23 publication, which we did; we ' re supposed to post
24 a sign, that ' s local ordinance , not state law; and
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1 then we ' re supposed to give notice to owners
2 within 250 feet of the property .
3 MS . NOBLE : 500 . 500 .
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4 MR . KRAMER: Well , that ' s the city
07:07PM 5 ordinance; the state law is 250 . So we go out a
6 bit further than that , so just to notify people of
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7 a potential change .
8 And again, this is already zoned
9 residential, but if the owners or the builder
07:07PM 10 wanted to build a house, they would literally have
11 to come in and ask the City to vary every setback
12 because Rl has much bigger setbacks , and these
13 lots were platted eons ago, very small lots , so it
1 14 just doesn ' t make any sense .
07:07PM 15 So rather than try and put ten
16 pounds of potatoes in a five-pound sack, we ' ve
17 combined the lots and made bigger lots and less
18 lots .
19 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Thank you .
07:07PM 20 MR. KRAMER: You bet .
21 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Second question .
22 MR . KRAMER: Yes, sir .
23 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Maybe you can help me
24 with this , too . What ' s the difference between R1
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1 and R2 ?
2 MR . KRAMER: Okay . On the City R1 , it ' s
3 a large lot type subdivision . I believe the
4 current ordinance is over 18 , 000 , Krysti?
07:08PM 5 MS . NOBLE : 15 .
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6 MR . KRAMER: Little bit smaller than I
7 thought . And, as I say, if they went in and they
8 asked for a building permit with the current R1 on
9 any of the three lots , they ' re all non-conforming
a 07:08PM 10 and they don ' t meet the ordinance.; whereas when we
11 take away a lot and make them bigger, then we meet
12 all of the setbacks , and you can ' t have a
13 variance, or shouldn ' t have , unless you can prove
1 14 a hardship . We can ' t show that , so we would
l 07:08PM 15 rather do it the correct way and get one less
16 house and have bigger lots .
j 17 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Last question --
18 MR . KRAMER: Sure .
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19 MR. DOVERSPIKE : -- and I know I said
07:08PM 20 two .
21 MR . KRAMER: No, that ' s fine .
I 22 MR . DOVERSPIKE : So is the intent to
j 23 build single family homes on these lots?
f 24 MR . KRAMER: Absolutely . It ' s sometimes
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1 confusing to the public when you see those
2 numbers , R2 , R3 , R4 --
3 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Exactly .
4 MR . KRAMER: -- you instantly think they
07:08PM 5 want to build a duplex or a triplex or a quad .
6 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Exactly .
7 MR . KRAMER: The R2 plat only permits
8 single family, no duplexes .
9 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Thank you very much .
07:09PM 10 MR. KRAMER: Thank you very much, sir .
11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Are there any other
12 questions or comments?
13 (Enter Mr . Jones . )
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Gentleman right
07:09PM 15 here?
16 MR. SCHILLINGER: Yes . Dave
17 Schillinger . I live at 412 East Main . Could we
18 put that overhead back up, the aerial?
19 MR . KRAMER: Sure . Be happy to .
07 09P 20 MR. SCHILLINGER : Like I say, I live at
21 412 on the river, directly below 201 . When 201
22 was built 15 or 20 years -- 201 was built 15 or
23 20 years ago, there were no curbs and gutters put
24 in . Consequently, every bit of run-off off of
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1 that property comes down Worsley Street and washes
2 through my yard .
3 I want to make sure that in this
4 development we ' re going to have curbs and gutters
07:o9PM 5 and the run-off is taken care of so that we don ' t
6 flood the bottom lots .
7 MR. KRAMER: I can ' t -- excuse me . I
8 can ' t answer that you ' re going to have curbs and
9 gutters , Dave, because again, usually if you have
I07:09PM 10 curbs and gutters , you have to have a captive
11 storm system and you don ' t have one in that entire
12 neighborhood, but what they can do, because
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13 they ' re not going to make any changes to the
14 street , this is really wooded there -- and I ' m
07:1OPM 15 preaching to the choir, you ' ve lived there, and
16 it ' s way, way overgrown .
17 When you take some of that out,
18 there is a pretty severe amount of topo from the
d 19 front to the back . And, again, Verne, who has
07:loPM 20 built in town the last 30 years , he knows that, he
21 is working with his engineer .
22 They are going to have to add some
23 on site detention in here, they ' ll try and do
24 infiltration; in other words , they ' ll keep it on
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1 the site so that they don ' t kick it down to the
2 original storm system.
3 MR . SCHILLINGER : Years ago the City
4 tried to rectify this , they put a storm drain on
07:1OPM 5 the corner of your proposed project .
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6 MR . KRAMER: Up in this area?
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7 MR . SCHILLINGER : They ran a pipe across
8 Worsley, across the bottom of my driveway, and it
9 dumps into the lot between me, between my property
01:11PM 10 and 102 , and just runs into my yard .
11 MR. KRAMER: Yeah, I ' m not sure that was
i12 a better solution .
I 13 MR . SCHILLINGER : So my property is
9 14 basically gravel there now on that side of the
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07:11PM 15 house, and I want to make sure that that drainage
1 16 doesn ' t also get dropped into there and run across
17 my lot because I have a bedroom in that corner of
18 the house and I ' ve already had to replace the
19 floor joist once because it rotted them out .
07:11PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Yeah, no . We ' re not
21 talking about connecting to that at all . We ' ll do
22 strictly infiltration on site .
23 MR. SCHILLINGER : So are you talking
24 about taking some sort of storm sewer to the
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1 river?
2 MR . KRAMER : No, no . Actually more
3 like -- almost like a U-shape down from here so we
4 build up -- not a big berm, just a slight berm
07:11PM 5 there, so we hold our own where it is now, and
6 then have infiltration right near -- almost like a
7 gentle U-shape .
8 We ' re not going to touch the street
9 at all , so what you ' re getting from 201 , which is
07:11PM 10 the triplex up on the hill , we ' re not going to
11 make that better or worse for you . We ' re not
12 adding to that . But we do have to take care of
13 our own .
14 MR . SCHILLINGER : The point that I bring
07:11PM 15 that up is before 201 , there was a field there and
16 I had no problem, because it was all absorbed into
17 the soil .
18 Now we ' re going to put two rooftops ,
19 two driveways and landscaping on this piece, it ' s
07:12PM 20 going to cause run-off for myself and the St .
21 Dennises and . . .
22 MR . KRAMER: Only, again, if they dump
23 into your own site , but that we know we have to
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1 MR . SCHILLINGER : Another question is
2 there is an old well on that property . Is that
3 going to be properly capped?
4 MR . KRAMER: If there ' s one there , it ' s
07:12PM 5 news to both the Friels and Verne --
6 MR. SCHILLINGER: It ' s there .
7 MR . KRAMER: -- and we ' ll talk to them
8 about it, but I -- Was that part of the old
9 Worsley farm?
07:12PM 10 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Worsley .
11 MR . KRAMER: Okay . So it ' s even older .
12 Okay . I don ' t think any of them know that that ' s
13 there . We ' ll look into that , because that should
14 have been capped decades ago .
07 12P 15 MR . SCHILLINGER: Yes . My other
16 question would be the address , because it ' s kind
17 of confusing . I live at 412 East Main, but I live
18 on Worsley Street , and 102 and 105 are Worsley,
? 19 which is actually going to turn into Gawne now is
07:13PM 20 my understanding .
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21 MR . KRAMER: I can ' t tell you that .
22 MR . SCHILLINGER : Right now Gawne does
23 not go through .
24 MR . KRAMER: Right . I understand that .
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1 MR . SCHILLINGER: Is that going to go
2 through?
3 MR. KRAMER: Not that I know of . I
4 mean, we ' re not doing anything --
07:13PM 5 MR. SCHILLINGER : It ' s gone that way .
6 MR. KRAMER: We ' re not doing anything
7 with it . But the address , that ' s way above my pay
8 grade . That ' s --
9 MS . NOBLE : City engineer .
07:13PM 10 MR. KRAMER : We ' re told what the address
11 will be when we apply for a building permit .
12 MR . SCHILLINGER : When we call for
13 delivery, we have to give directions because
14 nobody can find it .
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16 when we apply for the building permit , they City
17 will tell us what the address is .
18 MR . SCHILLINGER: I ' ll address the City
19 on that?
07:13PM 20 MS . NOBLE : The City engineer will come
21 up with an address and then forward that address
22 to the postmaster .
23 MR . SCHILLINGER : Okay . So we have no
24 idea if that ' s going to be a Worsley or Gawne or
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1 Main Street street?
2 MS . NOBLE : We have to look at our
3 over -- Forgive us . We have a consultant now as
4 our City Engineer, and we have to look at our
07:13PM 5 overall addressing map, and we don ' t have a
6 decision at this point --
7 MR . SCHILLINGER: Okay .
8 MS . NOBLE : -- and we will , in every
9 way, be observing they are oriented -- as
07:14PM 10 Mr . Kramer was saying, that one was oriented off
11 of Gawne, one was oriented of Worsley . Most
12 likely, they will have a Gawne and Worsley
13 address .
14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I would suggest that
07:14PM 15 the City Engineer then also look at those places
4 16 on the river that have Main Street addresses
17 because I can see how that would be very, very
18 confusing .
19 MR. SCHILLINGER : It is . I am concerned
07:14PM 20 about emergency vehicles .
21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : That ' s what I ' m
22 concerned about .
23 MR. SCHILLINGER: I ' m sure you are .
24 MS . NOBLE : But we coordinate all those
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1 addresses with the postmaster and with the
2 emergency responders .
3 MR . SCHILLINGER: Okay . Next question,
4 the alley at the south end there , is that going to
07:14PM 5 be vacated, or what ' s the plan for that?
6 MR. KRAMER: That , again, I don ' t think
7 you ' ll ever find the City building it because of
8 budgets and a lot of reasons . We have not asked
9 them to vacate that to us . They certainly could
07:14PM 10 if they wanted to vacate it , and the statute in
11 Illinois is if it ' s vacated at the City request,
12 one-half goes to each property owner . In other
1 13 words , one-half would go to the Friels and to
14 Mr . Henne , and one-half to the adjoining owners to
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07:15PM 15 the south .
1 16 MR. SCHILLINGER: I ' m sorry . The north .
17 I ' m sorry .
18 MR . KRAMER: This one?
19 MR. SCHILLINGER : Yeah .
07:15PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Same difference . We have
21 not asked them to vacate it . If they said, Gee,
22 we ' re never going to use it , we can ' t imagine ever
23 using it, it would go one-half to each side .
24 MR . SCHILLINGER: Do you foresee Verne
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1 asking for that?
2 MR. KRAMER: We don ' t need it , frankly .
3 MR . SCHILLINGER: Because the owners at
4 201 asked me years ago if I would agree to vacate
07:15PM 5 the one between her and I , and I said, Yeah, if
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6 you give me my half . She said well, I ' m paying
7 for it , I want it all . I said, Forget it . I
8 don ' t want to get into a battle like that again .
9 MR . KRAMER : Well , there is another
07:15PM 10 provision of the statute -- I mean, again, if the
11 City would say, you know, we can ' t see ever using
12 it, we just want to get rid of it .
13 Now, the City -- and I keep pointing
14 to them. It ' s actually a City Council decision,
07:16PM 15 not a Plan Commission . If they said we think this
16 property has some monetary value, they could
17 actually publish, they ' ve got to get an appraisal
18 and they ' ve got to get at least 80 percent of the
19 appraisal price if they want to sell it , and
07:16PM 20 literally they could try selling it to you or us
21 or somebody, but if they ' re, again, truly going to
22 vacate it with no compensation, they don ' t deem it
23 valuable, they' ve got to do that half and half,
24 and so, no , we wouldn ' t get into that fight with
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1 you . You know where to find Verne .
2 MR . SCHILLINGER: My last thing you
3 mentioned was signs . Was a sign posted on the
4 property?
07:16PM 5 MR. KRAMER: Yes .
6 MR. SCHILLINGER : I never saw it .
7 MR . KRAMER: Well , we posted one , I did
8 it myself frankly, so now again, with some of
9 these winds we ' ve had the last couple weeks , it
07:16PM 10 may be out there in the grass someplace, but it
11 was a nice big one .
12 MR . SCHILLINGER : I got notified, but
13 when you mentioned there was supposed to be a
14 sign, I never saw it .
07:16PM 15 MR . KRAMER: It ' s been there about three
16 weeks .
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : It ' s still there, I
18 go by there .
+ 19 MR. KRAMER: I thought I put it in .
07:16PM 20 MR . SCHILLINGER : Thank you .
21 MR . KRAMER: You bet . Thanks , Dave .
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1 MR. ST . DENNIS : The first one I ' d like
2 to address is going to be just --
3 MS . NOBLE : Excuse me . Can you state
4 your name and address , please?
07:17PM 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Can we get your name
6 and address?
7 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, I ' m sorry . Peter
8 St . Dennis , 105 Worsley, Yorkville .
9 Something that Dave raised, every
07:17PM 10 time it rains , since they repaved the street, the
11 water comes down the street and half of one of
12 those lots and ends up in my garage .
13 The former City Engineer -- not the
14 gentleman here today -- designed this and said
07:17PM 15 this wouldn ' t be a problem. If the -- If it ' s a
16 problem now, if they build houses there, like Dave
17 said, it ' s just going to get worse .
18 MR . KRAMER: Not necessarily. Again, it
19 all depends on where we direct our water . We ' re
07:17PM 20 certainly not going to direct it out to Worsley
21 Street .
22 MR. ST . DENNIS : Well , right now it ' s
23 going down into my garage .
24 MR . KRAMER: Well, I understand you ' re
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1 saying from the street itself .
2 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes , right , and from
3 the lot .
4 MR . KRAMER: I ' m sorry .
o7:17PM 5 MR . ST . DENNIS : And from the lot on the
6 east side .
7 MR . KRAMER: It ' s coming from ours ,
8 which probably is coming from up here because
9 that ' s high on the hill and it ' s sheet draining
07:18PM 10 down?
11 MR . ST . DENNIS : Not really . It ' s more
12 level up there .
13 MR . SCHILLINGER: No .
I14 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Again, they ' ll have
07:18PM 15 to do some detention in here , but we have to prove
16 that out , that we don ' t add by volume or velocity
17 to it, so there is some things we ' ve got to do to
18 that .
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I� 07:18PM 20 MR . KRAMER: But I can ' t help you about
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d 22 it coming faster . That wasn ' t us .
23 MR. ST . DENNIS : Right . Another
24 question is what sort of -- what size homes are
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1 they looking to put?
2 MR . KRAMER: Verne has built not a lot
3 of homes over the years , but probably 20 , 30 in
4 town . If you go actually right out here on
07:18PM 5 Somonauk Street on the south side, he built three
6 or four of them in there . They were around 1800
7 to 2 , 000-square foot . And usually he ' s built
8 ranches , not two-story boxes .
9 So I would suspect you ' re going to
07:18PM 10 see something in the neighborhood of an 1800 to
11 2 , 000-square foot ranch on each lot . And he won ' t
12 spec them. He will , again, get an ultimate buyer
13 before he starts the homes .
14 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, okay . Let ' s see .
07:19PM 15 What was that other question? Also I was
16 wondering about where -- is there any sort of plot
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18 that sort of thing?
19 MR . KRAMER: Make sure I don ' t grab the
07:19PM 20 wrong drawing here . They have to be I believe
21 it ' s a 30-foot setback from the front , and
22 actually you ' re going to find that both of them
23 are going to get set back in quite far .
24 One reason is because you ' ve got
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1 that really big sewer easement north and south of
2 this lot , so it ' s got to be back in here, and the
3 same here , by the time we get the utility
4 easements on the property .
l 07:19PM 5 So you ' re probably going to be --
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F 8 setback . These houses will probably be in a good
9 40 feet because of these easements that are
07:20PM 10 north/south.
11 And then on the side, again, with
12 the footprint from about an 1800 square foot home,
13 you ' re going to probably have a good 20 to 25 foot
14 side yard on each of them, and the rear yard I
07:20PM 15 believe has to be a minimum of 20 , so the front is
16 here, so again, the rear has got to be off there .
r 17 So it will be right literally in the middle of
18 good sized lots , so well over 12 , 000 square feet .
19 MR . ST . DENNIS : ( Inaudible . )
07:20PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Yes , it will fit nicely .
21 MR. ST . DENNIS : I was concerned about
22 the garages and driveways --
23 THE REPORTER: Sir, I can ' t hear you .
24 I ' m sorry .
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1 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, I ' m sorry .
2 MR . KRAMER: There ' s a fan and so on .
3 MR . ST . DENNIS : I was concerned about
4 the garages and driveways and orientation of that .
07:20PM 5 If they put them on what ' s marked as an alley on
6 the plan, then they have to be in the bottom of
7 the hill, which is actually opposite mine, not a
8 big deal, but anyway, if they put it on the side
9 streets , Gawne and Worsley, at the top of the
07:21PM 10 hill , then the people will actually have an easier
11 time getting in and out of the --
12 MR . KRAMER: And I suspect that ' s the
13 way they will be oriented .
1 14 MR. ST . DENNIS : Because it ' s a little
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07:21PM 15 rough in there .
9 16 MR . KRAMER: And, like I say, there is
i 17 a -- the topo, it drops off .
18 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes .
19 MR . KRAMER: We ' re very aware of that .
07:21PM 20 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay . I think that ' s
21 about it . Oh, here ' s another thing that I wanted
22 to ask about , and I don ' t know if this is the
23 place or not .
24 My garage is right at Worsley
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1 Street . There ' s no setback or anything like that .
2 It was built that way decades and decades ago .
3 MR . KRAMER: Before ' 73 , Yorkville
4 didn ' t have a zoning ordinance --
07:22PM 5 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay .
6 MR . KRAMER: -- or a building code, and
7 actually you weren ' t Yorkville . Then it was the
8 Village of Bristol .
9 MR . ST . DENNIS : Right . Right . What
07:22PM 10 I ' m concerned about is I have antique cars in my
11 garage and I need to have access basically into
12 that lot to pull up a car and perhaps a trailer,
13 and I ' m thinking in the event of a fire engine or
14 an ambulance, you may need a turn-around there ,
07:22PM 15 too .
16 I ' m wondering if they would be
17 building in that area .
18 MR . KRAMER: Are you talking like
19 perhaps right down in here?
07:22PM 20 MR . ST . DENNIS : Let me show you .
21 MR . SCHILLINGER : It ' s actually gone .
22 MR. KRAMER: You are over on this side
23 on Gawne?
24 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes . It would be right
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1 around here (indicating) .
2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Dan, what was the
3 question again?
4 MR. KRAMER: Is the question you ' re
07:23PM 5 saying are we going to do something there that
6 would prevent you from driving into this property?
7 MR . ST . DENNIS : Basically, yes . If the
8 street is only ten feet wide, obviously a vehicle
9 is longer than that , especially the ones I drive,
07:23PM 10 and if you ' re pulling a trailer, you need to pull
11 it up and then back it into the garage .
12 MR . KRAMER: I think that ' s something I
13 can ' t give you an answer and say, boy, they have
14 no problem, you know, with you driving on the lot ,
07:23PM 15 because, again, with the topo, that ' s the area
16 we ' re looking that we ' ve got to build at least
17 some slight berm to keep the water from going
18 down, but I ' ll give you a card before I leave
19 tonight and I ' ll have you talk to Mr . Henne, the
07:23PM 20 actual builder, because he does excavation, and,
21 you know, maybe there is an accommodation, we can
22 work some kind of notch out for you there or
23 something .
24 MR . ST . DENNIS : Well , the reason is , I
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1 mean, I ' ve been doing that for 20 years , I ' d like
2 to continue doing the same thing . It ' s not often,
3 it ' s just if there is a structure in the way or
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07:24PM 5 MR . KRAMER : Well , I know there won ' t be
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7 My only concern is what we have to do on the
8 detention .
9 And like I said, I ' m sure there is a
07:24PM 10 way that we can accommodate you, but let ' s sit
11 down and look at the actual plan, and Mr . Henne
12 would be the one doing the excavating himself on
13 it and so on, so I can have you speak with him.
14 I ' ll get your name and address before I leave
07:24PM 15 tonight , if that ' s okay with the Chairman .
16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : That ' s fine .
17 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Thank you .
18 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay . Thanks .
19 MR . KRAMER: You bet .
07:24PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Was there any other
21 question?
22 MS . SCHILLINGER : Just one . Lisa
23 Schillinger . I ' m at 412 East Main . We were
24 talking about the detention down there at the
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1 corner where Worsley curves around .
2 There is a fire hydrant there .
3 What ' s going to happen with the fire hydrant?
4 MR . KRAMER: Well , I mean, we can ' t
07:24PM 5 disturb that .
6 MS . SCHILLINGER : So that would stay?
7 MR . KRAMER : Yeah, you would notch out
8 around it .
9 MS . SCHILLINGER : Okay .
07:24PM 10 MR. KRAMER: And we ' re not talking --
11 you know, like we drive by some subdivisions where
12 there are 12-foot berms .
13 MS . SCHILLINGER : I just want to make
I� 14 sure the fire hydrant is not going to be
07:24PM 15 disturbed .
y 16 MR . KRAMER: No .
17 MS . SCHILLINGER : And then my second
18 question is we did have to have emergency crews
19 down there one night and the ambulance couldn ' t
08:26PM 20 get out , it had to totally back up, so I ' m worried
l21 about , like he said, trying to get those emergency
1 22 vehicles in .
23 You ' ll never get a fire truck down
24 in there until it ' s turned around, so, you know,
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1 that ' s something else the City may want to think
2 about, too, so if you build more houses there, you
3 might have more problems there .
4 So emergency trucks , I know a fire
08:27PM 5 truck can ' t get totally down there , and the
6 ambulance did have trouble the night we were
7 there, so . . .
8 MR . KRAMER: Yeah . I mean, we ' re not
9 going to add to that problem in the sense that ,
08:27PM 10 like I say, given the fact that these lots were
11 platted decades ago as --
12 MS . SCHILLINGER : Right .
13 MR. KRAMER: -- you could theoretically
14 have three really, really small houses there .
08:27PM 15 MS . SCHILLINGER : Yeah .
16 MR . KRAMER: So actually you ' re lowering
17 what could be there, frankly .
18 MS . SCHILLINGER : Right . That ' s all I
19 have .
08:27PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Just a comment .
21 We ' re well aware of the problems down in that area
22 there . I just don ' t think the way Dan has
23 described where. these buildings are going to be
24 that that ' s contributing to the problem. The
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3 problem.
4 MR. SCHILLINGER : We just don ' t want to
1 08:28PM 5 see it get any worse .
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08:28PM 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank you,
11 Dan .
12 MR . KRAMER: Thank you .
13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . With that ,
j14 we ' ll move on then to the second public hearing,
08:28PM 15 PC 2001-08 , Pulte Homes , Incorporated, petitioner,
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1 16 has filed an application with the United City of
1 17 Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois , requesting an
18 amendment to the final plat of subdivision for
I 19 Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek subdivision and an
08:28PM 20 amendment to that portion of the Autumn Creek
21 Planned Unit Development Agreement related to the
22 final plat of subdivision for Unit 1 dated
1 23 April 12 , 2005 , and amended July 13th, 2010 , for
24 the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned
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1 for townhome units for proposed single family
2 detached units .
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3 The portion of the real property
4 affected by the requested amendment consists of
08:29PM 5 approximately 13 . 07 acres and is generally located
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6 in the Autumn Creek subdivision immediately north
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8 Yorkville, Illinois .
9 And who will be addressing on behalf
08:29PM 10 of the petitioner?
11 MR . DAAB : I will . Mr . Chairman and
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12 members of the Commission, I ' m Jake Daab . I ' m the
13 Land Acquisition Manager for Pulte Homes , Chicago
14 Division . We ' re located at 1901 North Roselle
08:29PM 15 Road in Schaumburg, Illinois .
16 With me tonight as well is Ken Huhn
17 of HR Green, the engineer for the property, and
18 our attorney, Mr . Chuck Byrum.
19 We are here tonight seeking your
08:30PM 20 recommendation, positive recommendation, to amend
21 the Autumn Creek PUD and annexation agreement to
22 allow a portion of Autumn Creek Unit 1 , which
23 consists of approximately 13 acres , to be
24 re-subdivided and developed for single family
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1 homes rather than the townhomes as currently
2 platted .
3 The amended PUD would result in a
4 net decrease in the amount of units , changing what
08:30PM 5 is now 24 townhome lots , which could accommodate
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6 110 total units , to 31 single family lots .
7 The overall density for the area
8 would decrease from approximately 8 . 19 dwelling
9 units per acre to 2 . 37 units per acre , or
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11 As you stated, and what the
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13 covers the main issues , but I ' m happy to address
14 any additional comments or questions you might
08:30PM 15 have, or if I can ' t answer, please refer to
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17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Questions or
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18 comments from the audience? Young lady, would you
19 stand, state your name?
08:31PM 20 MS . MADISON : My name is Bonnie Madison .
21 I live at 1427 Crimson Lane . I live in the
22 townhomes . And I ' ve never done anything like this
23 before .
24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : We ' re friendly.
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1 MS . MADISON : My question is I have no
2 problem with you building single family homes .
3 That ' s not my issue .
4 I ' m not great with my directions . I
08:31PM 5 think it ' s the north -- let ' s see, the west ,
6 southwest corner, northwest corner, of Crimson and
7 Orchid, or Crimson and Autumn Creek .
8 MR . PIERCE : You are talking about your
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08:31PM 10 MS . MADISON : Yes .
11 MR. PIERCE : All right . You are north
12 of Crimson and far west unit .
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13 MS . MADISON : Okay . You did not develop
14 over there . You crossed the street and continued
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08:31PM 15 over there . My backyard has been there three
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17 I have to imagine if you ' re going to
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19 going to put a single family home in the middle of
08:32PM 20 our homes , or are we going to continue -- My
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22 model, you have grass in front . I believe you ' re
23 going to --
24 MR . DAAB : Right .
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1 MS . MADISON : I ' m told you were going to
i 2 put another set of townhomes there and another set
3 of townhomes behind me to complete the townhomes .
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4 I can ' t see you putting one single family home in
08:32PM 5 the middle of the townhomes .
6 I have no sidewalk . My children
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8 with that . I have to imagine you are going to
9 continue with the single family homes before you
08:32PM 10 go back and build any townhomes because --
11 MR . DAAB : Right .
12 MS . MADISON : -- the price of your
13 single family homes is what the townhomes went
14 for . I realize that .
08:32PM 15 MR . DAAB : Sure .
16 MS . MADISON : But in the meantime,
17 people walk their dogs back there, there is
18 garbage back there .
19 I have a three-year old and a
08:32PM 20 five-year old . That ' s my backyard . Again, my
21 five-year old walks to kindergarten, he walks to
22 school now . There is that one little area, they
23 have not built a sidewalk there, to continue on
24 Crimson and continue on Autumn Creek .
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1 MR . DAAB : I don ' t have an answer for
' 2 you now, I have to check with Land Development ,
3 but what I will do is give you my card, you call
4 me and I will get an answer for you . How is that ?
08:33PM 5 MS . MADISON : Okay .
6 MR . DAAB : I understand what you are
7 saying .
8 MS . MADISON : What are the intentions
9 with that back there? Are you planning on
08:33PM 10 re-platting into a single family home as well ?
11 MR . DAAB : Right now it ' s platted as
12 townhomes .
13 MS . MADISON : Which would make sense .
1 14 MR . DAAB : Right .
08:33PM 15 MS . MADISON : Okay . Could something be
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16 worked out if you ' re not going to build those
f17 townhomes before you continue with the single
18 family homes?
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19 There is , I don ' t know, rebar, there
08:33PM 20 is a big piece of metal that sticks out at the end
21 of the sidewalk, and again, it ' s a young
22 community, we ' ve got a lot of kids that go to
23 school over there .
24 MR . DAAB : I understand the concern, and
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1 it ' s something we don ' t want to continue, so call
2 me . I ' ll talk with our construction people, Land
3 Development people . We ' ll see what we can do .
4 MS . MADISON : Okay . Thank you .
08:33PM 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Anybody else
6 have questions? Yes , sir .
7 MR . PIERCE : I am Leon Pierce , I live at
8 1497 Orchid Street , and I am president of the
9 Autumn Creek Condo Association . Several
08:34PM 10 questions , issues , whatever, to deal with .
11 Going back to hers , with the grass
12 and everything else, if the sidewalks would be put
13 in -- I need to take this back to that -- we as a
14 condo would eventually be responsible for those
08:34PM 15 sidewalks , and to alleviate the issue of winter
16 and snow, we would have no problem having our
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18 from both the homes and -- can get to the Autumn
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08:34PM 20 snow.
1 21 If Pulte would take and put dirt on
22 those fields , put down seed and grass , we would do
23 what we currently are doing across from the
24 models , which is Pulte property, which is seeded
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1 and grass , we would have our landscapers mow it
2 and so forth, making the community more
3 presentable to those of us in the townhomes that
4 live there, and to you and your people who are
08:35PM 5 trying to sell your homes .
6 MR. DAAB : Right .
7 MR. PIERCE : And a field full of weeds
8 doesn ' t do anybody any good .
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11 come up with a solution .
12 MR . DAAB : When is -- I don ' t -- when is
13 your next HOA meeting, your condo board HOA?
14 MR. PIERCE : It will be January . We
08:35PM 15 just did our budget . But we use the same
16 management company and so forth .
17 MR . DAAB : Okay .
18 MR . PIERCE : And your people know our
19 people and your people can talk to our people .
08:35PM 20 What a saying .
21 MR. DAAB : It sounds so awkward .
22 MR . PIERCE : I know it does . So that ' s
23 one issue, because you are probably -- you ' re here
24 three years longer than you wanted to be, and
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1 you ' re probably going to be here another five
2 years the way things are going, and looking at
3 weeds and stuff for five years just isn ' t
4 presentable to us , to you, or the community, and
08:36PM 5 you don ' t have any kind of signs put up there and
6 everything else to cut your weeds , so we would
7 like to have somebody to come work with Pulte and
8 make it happen and help maintain .
9 The other issue is looking at the
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11 MR . DAAB : Sure .
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12 MR . PIERCE : You have -- And it ' s a
13 question of understanding . You meet up here with
14 the townhomes , right?
08:36PM 15 MR . DAAB : Right .
16 MR . PIERCE : All right . These two plots
17 here , 11 and 12 , my understanding would be that
18 those two are going to be just grass over .
19 MR . DAAB : That ' s correct .
1 08:36PM 20 MR . PIERCE : Okay . Because of
21 down-the-road maintenance issues , we currently
22 take care of all this , we butt up to these homes
23 here, take care of those . You would have -- the
24 HOA people have to mow this property .
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1 MR . DRAB : That ' s correct .
2 MR. PIERCE : Okay . A recommendation or
3 suggestion that I would make is that if you deeded
4 those to the condo association, we would not have
08:37PM 5 a conflict here between the homeowner, the HOA and
6 the condo association .
7 We would mow and maintain the
8 property right up to the owner ' s property and you
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11 The other thing that I would ask at
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12 that point is that unlike what happens along the
13 bike trail that is in there, that that area be
14 sodded so that you have sod here with the
08:37PM 15 homeowners , sod, which we have here, and then that
16 would all be nice, uniform, so forth, through, and
1 17 that five, 10 , 15 years from now when other people
18 are in these positions , nobody is looking and
19 trying to figure out who owns what, who is
08:37PM 20 responsible for what . We would have the
21 responsibility right up to the homes .
22 MR . DAAB : That ' s something that I need
23 to discuss with the HOA people in the company
24 because that ' s clearly -- once we ' re gone, that ' s
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1 going to be an HOA responsibility .
2 MR . PIERCE : Right . And I ' m saying
3 rather than have a dispute between us , the HOA,
4 and the homeowner in question, if the condo had it
08:38PM 5 right up to that property, then ten years from now
6 when none of us are around, you know, the condo
7 people would just be mowing and maintaining it and
8 so forth right up to that point . Make it easier
9 down the road .
08:38PM 10 MR . DAAB : It ' s certainly something I
11 made a note of, and when I meet with the lady of
12 the company that handles the HOAs , I have it on
1 13 the list and we ' ll see how we handle it with the
14 master condo association .
08:38PM 15 MR . PIERCE : Okay . And the other thing
16 is more a point of irritation . This thing seems
17 to be presented as no negative impact to the
18 homeowners , to the townhomes , and that ' s really
19 not true . There is a negative impact .
08:38PM 20 When we agreed to our budget and we
21 went from 258 units to 135 units , there was a $10
22 a month increase as a result . Fixed costs are not
23 calculated and divided over 258 units , now divided
24 over 135 .
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8 the City gets $400 per plot . That ' s $28 , 000 less
9 to the City . All right . Same amount of roads to
08:39PM 10 be plowed, same amount to be swept , same number
11 of light fixtures to be taken care of .
12 You take 74 units out of it ,
13 $150 , 000 apiece -- I am not arguing numbers or
14 whatever, just a concept -- that ' s ten million
08:39PM 15 dollars worth of property value that ' s taken out ,
i 16 that ' s $240 , 000 or $250 , 000 , 300 , 000 , whatever,
17 property taxes not collected .
18 To the schools , that ' s $ 150 , 000 not
19 collected for the schools . That ' s three teachers .
08:40PM 20 And there ' s no guarantee that 31 homes produce
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1 only 12 out of a hundred, if it extrapolated out .
' 2 There is no guarantee that 31 homes would generate
3 less than 12 students . All right .
4 So there is a potential negative
08:40PM 5 impact to the schools , to the City, to the
6 homeowners and that , and it ' s a big one to you
7 guys , $1 . 7 million, okay?
8 So something has got to be done , but
9 there are negative impacts . It ' s just a little
08:40PM 10 irritating when you hear there are no negative
11 impacts .
12 MR . DRAB : Let ' s me ease the irritation .
13 The way we looked at it is that were this to be
14 left for townhomes --
08:41PM 15 MR . PIERCE : Right .
16 MR. DAAB : -- they would never be
17 built .
18 MR . PIERCE : No, I understand that, and
19 I understand it has to be done .
08:41PM 20 MR . DAAB : Right .
21 MR . PIERCE : It ' s just an irritation,
22 that ' s all . I don ' t expect compensation to take
23 place, but when it ' s presented and said that there
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1 got them, the City has got them, the schools have
2 them.
3 And the cost for you guys to go
4 through and bulldoze all this stuff, to redo all
08:41PM 5 the sewers , I don ' t know how -- You can ' t be
6 making money .
7 MR. DRAB : No .
8 MR. PIERCE : No, seriously . 1 . 7
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j 08:41PM 10 MR . CROUCH : Don ' t go there .
11 MR. PIERCE : You know, so it ' s just --
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12 MR . DAAB : Welcome to my world .
13 MR . PIERCE : Right . So it ' s just an
14 irritant when you hear there is none, okay?
08:41PM 15 That ' s all .
16 MR . DAAB : I appreciate that .
17 MR . PIERCE : Okay . And I don ' t know if
18 it ' s time to do this and that , but there are
19 certain things that just don ' t get done out
08:41PM 20 there .
21 The walking trail that ' s out there ,
22 it floods . It ' s flooded from day one . And we
23 mentioned it last year and the result was they
24 fixed it once and it didn ' t flood, then Emily was
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1 there and got it fixed . She left , and as soon as
2 she left, they came -- Pulte came in and built a
3 five-inch -- four to five-inch retaining wall on
4 the side where it was fixed with drain, and so now
08:42PM 5 the net effect is it floods at a deeper depth over
6 the longer part of the path and stays flooded
7 longer . So it ' s not a plus to your community,
8 it ' s a negative .
9 And you ' ve got to do something
08:42PM 10 about the tree planting issues because when you
11 present the budgets , and Krysti put them out for
12 2011 and 2012 , there is $ 9, 000 in there for
13 planting trees . There ' s been trees dead for two
14 and three years out there that have never been
08:42PM 15 replanted .
16 MS . NOBLE : And they will be, upon final
17 acceptance . That ' s a punch list item.
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18 MR . PIERCE : Yeah, but that could be
19 five years from now . We ' re losing -- We ' ve lost
`. 08:42PM 20 three years of growth on the trees . We ' re talking
21 about losing another five years of growth?
a 22 MS . NOBLE : Well --
23 MR . PIERCE : That ' s eight years of
24 growth, and trees look pretty good after eight
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1 years of growing, which has , you know, a positive
2 impact on the community, your ability to sell your
3 homes and so forth .
4 MS . NOBLE : That ' s true .
08:43PM 5 MR . DAAB : I have taken note .
6 MR . PIERCE : I appreciate it .
7 MR. DAAB : I don ' t dismiss it . Truly .
8 MR . PIERCE : No, no, I know you don ' t .
9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank you .
08:43PM 10 Any other comments or questions ?
11 (No response . )
12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Going once . Hearing
13 none then, I would entertain a motion to close the
14 public hearing .
08:43PM 15 MR . JONES : So moved .
16 MR . BAKER : Second .
17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and seconded .
18 Discussion on the motion?
19 (No response . )
08:43PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Hearing none, those
21 in favor signify by saying aye .
22 (A chorus of ayes . )
23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motions passes .
24 Public hearing is now closed .
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2 COUNTY OF LA SALLE )
3 I , Christine M. Vitosh, a Certified
4 Shorthand Reporter, do hereby certify that I
5 reported in shorthand the proceedings had at the
6 hearing of the above-entitled cause and that the
7 foregoing Report of Proceedings , Pages 1 through
8 48 , inclusive, is a true, correct , and complete
9 transcript of my shorthand notes so taken at the
10 time and place aforesaid .
11 I further certify that I am neither
12 counsel for nor related to counsel for any of the
13 parties to this suit , nor am I in any way related
14 to any of the parties to this suit , nor am I in
15 any way interested in the outcome thereof .
16 I further certify that my
17 certificate annexed hereto applies to the original
18 transcript and copies thereof, signed and
19 certified under my hand only . I assume no
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ends[i]-20:12 fence[1I-27:4 forward(1]- guarantee[2]- 35:10 Incorporated[1]-
engine[11-25:13 few(1]-19:22 15:21 41:20,42:2 homeowner(2]- 30:15
engineer[5]- field(21-13:15, four[31-22:6, gutters[4]- 39:5,40:4 increase[2]-
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entitled[1]-47:6 fire[61-25:13, 11:19,22:21, hand(3]-3:17, 41:20,42:2, 35:8
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invite[1]-7:12 15:6, 15:10, level[1]-21:12 32:20 monetary[1]- 22:14,22:19,
irritant[11-43:14 15:15, 17:6, licensed(1]-4:12 mail[1]-7:11 18:16 23:19,23:20,
irritating[1]- 17:18, 17:20, light[1]-41:11 Main[7]-4:5, money[1]-43:6 23:21,24:1,
42:10 18:2, 18:9, 19:5, likely[1]-16:12 4:22, 10:17, month[1]-40:22 24:2,24:3,
irritation[3]- 19:7, 19:15, Lindblom[z]- 14:17, 16:1, most[1]-16:11 24:12,24:14,
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issue[4]-33:3, 21:4,21:7, 3:1,3:6,3:9, 32:13 45:18 25:3,25:5,25:6,
36:15,37:23, 21:14,21:20, 3:12,3:14,3:19, maintain[z]- motions[1]- 25:9,25:18,
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issues[4]-32:13, 23:20,24:2, 10:11, 10:14, maintaining[1]- move[21-3:4, 25:22,25:24,
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item[1]-44:17 25:6,25:18, 20:5,26:2, 38:21 45:15,45:17 27:5,27:17,
itself(1]-21:1 25:22,26:4, 27:16,27:20, management[1]- mow[3]-37:1, 27:18,27:19,
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Jake[1]-31:12 29:8,29:13, 45:12,45:17, marked[1]-24:5 7:4,7:14, 7:17, 31:11,33:8,
James(1]-2:8 29:16,30:12 45:20,45:23 Marlys[1]-2:14 7:19,7:21,8:4, 33:11,33:24,
Jane[1]-2:9 Kramer[z]-4:10, Lindholm 11]- master[1]-40:14 8:19,8:20,8:21, 34:11,34:15,
January[1]- 16:10 4:17 Mayor[1]-41:7 8:22,8:23,9:2, 35:1,35:6,
37:14 Kraupner[1]-2:6 Lisa[1]-27:22 mean[5]-15:4, 9:6,9:17,9:18, 35:11,35:14,
Jeff[1]-2:3 Krysti[3]-2:12, list[z]-40:13, 18:10,27:1, 9:19,9:21,9:22, 35:24, 36:7,
joist[1]-12:19 9:4,44:11 44:17 37:6,37:7,
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kindergarten[1]- larger[1]-5:2 17 45:5,45:6,45:7,
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losing[z]-44:19, Michael(1]-2:4 17:6, :16,
34:21 last[5]-9:17, 45:8,45:15,
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