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Plan Commission Minutes 2011 11-09-11 APPROVED 02/08/12 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE PLAN COMMISSION Library Historic Room Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:00pm Commission Members in Attendance: Chairman Tom Lindblom Jane Winninger Jeff Baker Art Prochaska James Weaver Michael Crouch Sandra Adams Jack Jones ( arr. 7:10pm) Absent: Charles Kraupner Other City Staff Krysti Barksdale-Noble, Economic Development Director Mark Hardin, Code Official Brad Sanderson, EEI Engineer for City Other Guests Dan Kramer, Attorney Jake Daab, Pulte Homes Chuck Byrum, Pulte Homes Gary Doverspike Paul Doverspike Leon Pierce, Autumn Creek Bonnie Madison Samuel Parodi, Autumn Creek Dave & Lisa Schillinger Peter & Lori St. Denis Rose Spears, Alderman Christine Vitosh, Depo Court Reporting Meeting Called to Order Chairman Tom Lindblom called the meeting to order at 7:00pm. Roll Call Roll call was taken and a quorum was established. Chairman Lindblom also introduced Mark Hardin and Engineer Brad Sanderson. Previous Meeting Minutes - October 12, 2011 The minutes were approved as read on a motion by Crouch and second by Prochaska. Unanimous voice vote approval. Citizen’s Comments None Public Hearings The first Public Hearing was opened at 7:03 on a motion by Crouch and second by Winninger. Unanimous voice vote approval. 1 Chairman Lindblom swore in those who would give testimony during the Hearings. 1.PC 2011-06 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners, have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting rezoning of 3 parcels on Worsley St (lots 4, 5 and 6) from R-1 One Family Residence District to R-2 One Family Residence District. The real property consists of a total of approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St. and east of Worsley Rd in Yorkville. (See Court Reporter’s Transcript) PC 2011-08 Pulte Home Corp. petitioners, has filed an application with the 2. United City of Yorkville, requesting an amendment to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek Subdivision and an amendment to that portion of the Autumn Creek Planned Unit Development Agreement related to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 dated April 12, 2005 and amended July 13, 2010 for the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned for townhome units for proposed single-family detached units. The portion of the real property affected by the requested amendment consists of approximately 13.07 acres and is generally located in the Autumn Creek Subdivision immediately north of Route 34 and south of Kennedy Road in Yorkville . (See Court Reporter’s Transcript) The Commission listened to both Hearings prior to discussion. The Hearings concluded at approximately 7:42pm on a motion by Jones and second by Crouch. Voice vote approval. Old Business None New Business 1.PC 2011-06 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners, have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting rezoning of three parcels on Worsley Street (Lots 4, 5 and 6) from R-1 One Family Residence District to R-2 One Family Residence District. The property consists of a total of approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St and east of Worsley Rd. in Yorkville. Mr. Prochaska noted that the agenda states .73 acres and on the Public Hearing it states .93 acres and this needs correction. Attorney Kramer noted that the legal description is correct. Commissioner Jones said the water problem needs to be examined if a positive recommendation is given. Site plans and engineering plans will be done to evaluate the problem according to Mr. Sanderson. Action Item i. Rezoning Motion : Mr. Crouch moved and Ms. Adams seconded the motion to approve the rezoning as requested. Chairman Lindblom reviewed the Finding of Fact with the Commission members with brief discussion following each point. 2 Commissioner Crouch moved to amend the motion to recommend approval of the subject to comments from the city engineering consultant rezoning . Ms. Adams seconded the motion for this amendment. Voice vote approval for the amendment. Roll call vote on amended motion: Jones-yes, Baker-yes, Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes, Crouch-yes, Adams-yes, Winninger-yes, Lindblom-yes. Passed 8-0. 2.PC 2011-07 Verne Henne and Steven and Dawn Friel, petitioners have filed an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting preliminary plan and final plat approval of the resubdivision of three parcels on Worsley Street (Lots 4, 5 and 6) into 2 parcels. The property consists of approximately 0.73 acres and is located south of E. Main St and east of Worsley Road in Yorkville. Action Items i. Preliminary Plan ii. Final Plat Motion: Mike Crouch moved and James Weaver seconded the motion to recommend approval. Discussion: Commissioner Crouch said some very valuable input was provided by meeting attendees and Engineering will have to address the runoff problem and the steep grade. Commenting on the narrow road in front of this parcel, Commissioner Prochaska encouraged discussion between Mr. St. Denis and Mr. Henne to avoid any future problems. Attorney Kramer will ask Mr. Henne to contact Mr. St. Denis about access to the property and he agreed with the overall recommendation subject to staff comments. Roll call vote: Baker-yes, Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes, Crouch-yes, Adams-yes, Winninger-yes, Jones-yes, Lindblom-yes. Motion passed 8-0. 3.PC 2011-08 Pulte Home Corp, petitioner, has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville requesting an amendment to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek Subdivision and an amendment to that portion of the Autumn Creek Planned Unit Development Agreement related to the Final Plat of Subdivision for Unit 1 dated April 12, 2005 and amended July 13, 2010 for the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned for townhome units for proposed single-family detached units. The portion of the real property affected by the requested amendment consists of approximately 13.07 acres and is generally located in the Autumn Creek Subdivision immediately north of Rte. 34 and south of Kennedy Road in Yorkville. Action Items iii. Preliminary Plan iv. Final Plat 3 Motion: Commissioners Crouch and Prochaska, respectively, moved and seconded to approve these items subject to staff comments. Discussion: Chairman Lindblom said it seemed apparent that some issues had been neglected and should be resolved. The engineer and Ms. Barksdale-Noble met with Pulte in regards to a punchlist of items to be completed and this will be on next month’s Public Works committee agenda for letters of reduction. Citizen Bonnie Madison commented on the need for upkeep of the property, lack of sidewalk and other issues. Some of the commissioners encouraged Pulte to install a sidewalk and to address some of the other concerns. Ms. Winninger asked how many more townhomes would be built if the requested changes were approved. There would be approximately 15 additional. Roll call vote: Prochaska-yes, Weaver-yes, Crouch-yes, Adams-yes, Winninger-yes, Jones-yes, Baker-yes, Lindblom-yes. Passed 8-0. Additional Business It was noted by Ms. Barksdale-Noble that at last month’s meeting, the Plan Commission had given a positive recommendation to a Public Hearing concerning rezoning for 312 Walter St. She said the Zoning Board of Appeals voted against this item following a Public Hearing. This matter will proceed to City Council on November 22 and will require a super majority vote to override if they choose to approve the request. Adjournment There was no further business and the meeting was adjourned on a motion by Jones and second by Prochaska. Meeting adjourned at 8:05pm. Respectfully submitted by Marlys Young, Minute Taker 4 UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE YORKVILLE , ILLINOIS PLAN COMMISSION MEETING PUBLIC HEARING 902 Game Farm Road t Yorkville, Illinois Wednesday, November 9 , 2011 7 : 00 p . m. D-954511 r REPO • COURT reporting service 1300 Iroquois Avenue, Suite 205 Naperville, IL 60563 630-983-0030 • Fax: 630-778-4824 e-mail: depocourt @depocourt.com • www.depocourt.com 2 1 PRESENT : 2 Mr . Tom Lindblom, Chairman, 3 Mr . Jeff Baker, 4 Mr . Michael Crouch, 5 Mr . Jack Jones , 6 Mr . Charles Kraupner, 7 Mr . Art Prochaska, 8 Mr . James Weaver, 9 Ms . Jane Winninger . 10 11 ALSO PRESENT : 12 Ms . Krysti Noble, Community Development 13 Director; 14 Ms . Marlys Young, Minute Taker . 15 - - - - - 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service ( 630) 983-0030 3 1 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: I would entertain a 2 motion to enter into the public hearing . Take 3 both of them at the same time . 4 MR . CROUCH : Move to adjourn to public 07:01PM 5 hearing . 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Is there a second? 7 MR. WEAVER: Second. 8 MS . ADAMS : Second . 9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and seconded . I07:01PM 10 Those in favor signify by saying aye . I11 (A chorus of ayes . ) 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Opposed? 13 (No response . ) i 14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motion passes . At 07:01PM 15 this time could I have anybody that wishes to 16 present to the Commission to stand and raise your 17 right hand? 18 (Witnesses sworn . ) 19 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : For the record then 07:02PM 20 let me read public hearing PC 2011-06, Verne Henne 21 and Steven and Dawn Friel , petitioners , have filed 22 an application with the United City of Yorkville, j 23 Kendall County, Illinois , requesting rezoning of ! 24 three parcels on Worsley Street , Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 1 4 1 Lots 4 , 5 and 6 , from R1 One-Family Residence 2 District to R-2 One-Family Residence District . 3 The real property consists of a 4 total of approximately 0 . 73 acres and is located 07:03PM 5 south of East Main Street and east of Worsley Road 6 in Yorkville, Illinois . 7 And who is presenting for the 8 petitioner? 9 MR. KRAMER: I am. For the record, my 07:03PM 10 name is Daniel J . Kramer . My address is 1107A 11 South Bridge Street , Yorkville, Illinois . I am an 12 attorney licensed to practice law in the state of 13 Illinois , and I represent the co-petitioners , the 14 record title holders , Dawn and Steve Friel and 07:03PM 15 Verne Henne, who is purchasing the property from 16 them and will end up building houses on it . 17 As Mr . Lindholm, the chairman 18 said is the -- or Lindblom, sorry, said in the 19 public notice, the property is currently divided 07:03PM 20 into three smaller lots . The aerial has been 21 provided by the City here showing the property . 22 It ' s slightly south of Main Street and is bounded 23 on the west by Worsley and on the east by Gawne 24 Lane . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 5 1 What the owners and Mr . Henne 2 propose to do is to create two larger lots instead 3 of the three smaller lots , and they would orient 4 two houses , one facing east off of Gawne and one 07:04PM 5 facing west off of Worsley . 6 We are showing the setbacks in 7 front, and we would provide utility easements for 8 natural gas , for electric . 9 There is a main sanitary sewer 07:04PM 10 easement that goes through what ' s called Lot 2 now 11 on the north/south basis that the Friels granted 12 to the City some years ago . 13 We would propose to develop the two I 14 lots with all city services ; they would have 07:04PM 15 water, they would have sanitary sewer, they would 16 not be septic, and would conform in terms of the 17 City ordinance for R2 . J 18 The lots are both about 1 19 12 , 000 square feet, they would meet all of the 07:04PM 20 setback requirements , and they would have to I 21 comply with the City current landscape code and so 22 on . 23 The property is already annexed into 24 the City, it is part of the City now, and, Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 6 1 frankly, has sat undeveloped for quite a number of 2 years . 3 So we ' re asking for two things ; 1 4 we ' re asking for a positive recommendation to the 1 07:05PM 5 City Council to rezone from Rl single family, the l 6 three small lots , which would all be i 7 non-conforming in terms of setbacks for R1 , to go 8 to R2 , combine the three into two lots , and we do 9 have a combined preliminary and final plat with it 07:05PM 10 being a small subdivision with only two lots . 11 There is some Staff comments from 12 the City Engineer and City Staff with some more 13 labeling that needs to go onto some block changes 14 as far as signature , and we have no problem with 07:05PM 15 any of those recommendations . 16 So subject to those recommendations , 17 we would also ask for a positive recommendation to j 18 the City Council for approval of the preliminary 19 and final plat . 07:05PM 20 And we ' re happy to answer any 21 questions and certainly will take comments from 22 the audience when the Chair deems appropriate . 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Is there 24 anybody in the audience that has any comments Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 7 i 1 relative to this? 2 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Yes , I do . 3 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Yes , sir . ! 4 MR . DOVERSPIKE : My name is Paul 07:06PM 5 Doverspike . I ' m at 302 Sanders Court , Yorkville . 9 6 Two questions . First one is -- this 1 1 7 is my first time to a public meeting in this 8 nature , so the first question, I don ' t know if I 9 address it to the council here or to this 07:06PM 10 gentleman here, but I received a notification that 11 this was going to go on, certified mail, and so my 12 first question is , why . Why did you invite me? I 13 don ' t even know you . I like you . So far . 14 MR . KRAMER: That ' s a great start . 07:06PM 15 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Dan, do you want 16 to -- 17 MR. KRAMER: I don ' t know if you want to 18 ask both questions and then -- 19 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Well , I want to ask 07:062m 20 that one first, then I ' ll go to the second one . 21 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Basically, under 22 Illinois law, we ' re supposed to do a newspaper 23 publication, which we did; we ' re supposed to post 24 a sign, that ' s local ordinance , not state law; and Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 8 1 then we ' re supposed to give notice to owners 2 within 250 feet of the property . 3 MS . NOBLE : 500 . 500 . t 4 MR . KRAMER: Well , that ' s the city 07:07PM 5 ordinance; the state law is 250 . So we go out a 6 bit further than that , so just to notify people of I 7 a potential change . 8 And again, this is already zoned 9 residential, but if the owners or the builder 07:07PM 10 wanted to build a house, they would literally have 11 to come in and ask the City to vary every setback 12 because Rl has much bigger setbacks , and these 13 lots were platted eons ago, very small lots , so it 1 14 just doesn ' t make any sense . 07:07PM 15 So rather than try and put ten 16 pounds of potatoes in a five-pound sack, we ' ve 17 combined the lots and made bigger lots and less 18 lots . 19 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Thank you . 07:07PM 20 MR. KRAMER: You bet . 21 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Second question . 22 MR . KRAMER: Yes, sir . 23 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Maybe you can help me 24 with this , too . What ' s the difference between R1 Depo•Court Reporting Service ( 630) 983-0030 r 9 1 and R2 ? 2 MR . KRAMER: Okay . On the City R1 , it ' s 3 a large lot type subdivision . I believe the 4 current ordinance is over 18 , 000 , Krysti? 07:08PM 5 MS . NOBLE : 15 . i 6 MR . KRAMER: Little bit smaller than I 7 thought . And, as I say, if they went in and they 8 asked for a building permit with the current R1 on 9 any of the three lots , they ' re all non-conforming a 07:08PM 10 and they don ' t meet the ordinance.; whereas when we 11 take away a lot and make them bigger, then we meet 12 all of the setbacks , and you can ' t have a 13 variance, or shouldn ' t have , unless you can prove 1 14 a hardship . We can ' t show that , so we would l 07:08PM 15 rather do it the correct way and get one less 16 house and have bigger lots . j 17 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Last question -- 18 MR . KRAMER: Sure . i 19 MR. DOVERSPIKE : -- and I know I said 07:08PM 20 two . 21 MR . KRAMER: No, that ' s fine . I 22 MR . DOVERSPIKE : So is the intent to j 23 build single family homes on these lots? f 24 MR . KRAMER: Absolutely . It ' s sometimes l Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 1 i 10 1 confusing to the public when you see those 2 numbers , R2 , R3 , R4 -- 3 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Exactly . 4 MR . KRAMER: -- you instantly think they 07:08PM 5 want to build a duplex or a triplex or a quad . 6 MR . DOVERSPIKE : Exactly . 7 MR . KRAMER: The R2 plat only permits 8 single family, no duplexes . 9 MR. DOVERSPIKE : Thank you very much . 07:09PM 10 MR. KRAMER: Thank you very much, sir . 11 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Are there any other 12 questions or comments? 13 (Enter Mr . Jones . ) 14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Gentleman right 07:09PM 15 here? 16 MR. SCHILLINGER: Yes . Dave 17 Schillinger . I live at 412 East Main . Could we 18 put that overhead back up, the aerial? 19 MR . KRAMER: Sure . Be happy to . 07 09P 20 MR. SCHILLINGER : Like I say, I live at 21 412 on the river, directly below 201 . When 201 22 was built 15 or 20 years -- 201 was built 15 or 23 20 years ago, there were no curbs and gutters put 24 in . Consequently, every bit of run-off off of Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 11 1 that property comes down Worsley Street and washes 2 through my yard . 3 I want to make sure that in this 4 development we ' re going to have curbs and gutters 07:o9PM 5 and the run-off is taken care of so that we don ' t 6 flood the bottom lots . 7 MR. KRAMER: I can ' t -- excuse me . I 8 can ' t answer that you ' re going to have curbs and 9 gutters , Dave, because again, usually if you have I07:09PM 10 curbs and gutters , you have to have a captive 11 storm system and you don ' t have one in that entire 12 neighborhood, but what they can do, because 4 13 they ' re not going to make any changes to the 14 street , this is really wooded there -- and I ' m 07:1OPM 15 preaching to the choir, you ' ve lived there, and 16 it ' s way, way overgrown . 17 When you take some of that out, 18 there is a pretty severe amount of topo from the d 19 front to the back . And, again, Verne, who has 07:loPM 20 built in town the last 30 years , he knows that, he 21 is working with his engineer . 22 They are going to have to add some 23 on site detention in here, they ' ll try and do 24 infiltration; in other words , they ' ll keep it on I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 12 1 the site so that they don ' t kick it down to the 2 original storm system. 3 MR . SCHILLINGER : Years ago the City 4 tried to rectify this , they put a storm drain on 07:1OPM 5 the corner of your proposed project . I 6 MR . KRAMER: Up in this area? , 7 MR . SCHILLINGER : They ran a pipe across 8 Worsley, across the bottom of my driveway, and it 9 dumps into the lot between me, between my property 01:11PM 10 and 102 , and just runs into my yard . 11 MR. KRAMER: Yeah, I ' m not sure that was i12 a better solution . I 13 MR . SCHILLINGER : So my property is 9 14 basically gravel there now on that side of the i 07:11PM 15 house, and I want to make sure that that drainage 1 16 doesn ' t also get dropped into there and run across 17 my lot because I have a bedroom in that corner of 18 the house and I ' ve already had to replace the 19 floor joist once because it rotted them out . 07:11PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Yeah, no . We ' re not 21 talking about connecting to that at all . We ' ll do 22 strictly infiltration on site . 23 MR. SCHILLINGER : So are you talking 24 about taking some sort of storm sewer to the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 13 1 river? 2 MR . KRAMER : No, no . Actually more 3 like -- almost like a U-shape down from here so we 4 build up -- not a big berm, just a slight berm 07:11PM 5 there, so we hold our own where it is now, and 6 then have infiltration right near -- almost like a 7 gentle U-shape . 8 We ' re not going to touch the street 9 at all , so what you ' re getting from 201 , which is 07:11PM 10 the triplex up on the hill , we ' re not going to 11 make that better or worse for you . We ' re not 12 adding to that . But we do have to take care of 13 our own . 14 MR . SCHILLINGER : The point that I bring 07:11PM 15 that up is before 201 , there was a field there and 16 I had no problem, because it was all absorbed into 17 the soil . 18 Now we ' re going to put two rooftops , 19 two driveways and landscaping on this piece, it ' s 07:12PM 20 going to cause run-off for myself and the St . 21 Dennises and . . . 22 MR . KRAMER: Only, again, if they dump 23 into your own site , but that we know we have to j 24 do . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 14 1 MR . SCHILLINGER : Another question is 2 there is an old well on that property . Is that 3 going to be properly capped? 4 MR . KRAMER: If there ' s one there , it ' s 07:12PM 5 news to both the Friels and Verne -- 6 MR. SCHILLINGER: It ' s there . 7 MR . KRAMER: -- and we ' ll talk to them 8 about it, but I -- Was that part of the old 9 Worsley farm? 07:12PM 10 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Worsley . 11 MR . KRAMER: Okay . So it ' s even older . 12 Okay . I don ' t think any of them know that that ' s 13 there . We ' ll look into that , because that should 14 have been capped decades ago . 07 12P 15 MR . SCHILLINGER: Yes . My other 16 question would be the address , because it ' s kind 17 of confusing . I live at 412 East Main, but I live 18 on Worsley Street , and 102 and 105 are Worsley, ? 19 which is actually going to turn into Gawne now is 07:13PM 20 my understanding . i 21 MR . KRAMER: I can ' t tell you that . 22 MR . SCHILLINGER : Right now Gawne does 23 not go through . 24 MR . KRAMER: Right . I understand that . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 15 1 MR . SCHILLINGER: Is that going to go 2 through? 3 MR. KRAMER: Not that I know of . I 4 mean, we ' re not doing anything -- 07:13PM 5 MR. SCHILLINGER : It ' s gone that way . 6 MR. KRAMER: We ' re not doing anything 7 with it . But the address , that ' s way above my pay 8 grade . That ' s -- 9 MS . NOBLE : City engineer . 07:13PM 10 MR. KRAMER : We ' re told what the address 11 will be when we apply for a building permit . 12 MR . SCHILLINGER : When we call for 13 delivery, we have to give directions because 14 nobody can find it . l 07:13PM 15 MR. KRAMER: No, in all seriousness , E 16 when we apply for the building permit , they City 17 will tell us what the address is . 18 MR . SCHILLINGER: I ' ll address the City 19 on that? 07:13PM 20 MS . NOBLE : The City engineer will come 21 up with an address and then forward that address 22 to the postmaster . 23 MR . SCHILLINGER : Okay . So we have no 24 idea if that ' s going to be a Worsley or Gawne or Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 16 1 Main Street street? 2 MS . NOBLE : We have to look at our 3 over -- Forgive us . We have a consultant now as 4 our City Engineer, and we have to look at our 07:13PM 5 overall addressing map, and we don ' t have a 6 decision at this point -- 7 MR . SCHILLINGER: Okay . 8 MS . NOBLE : -- and we will , in every 9 way, be observing they are oriented -- as 07:14PM 10 Mr . Kramer was saying, that one was oriented off 11 of Gawne, one was oriented of Worsley . Most 12 likely, they will have a Gawne and Worsley 13 address . 14 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : I would suggest that 07:14PM 15 the City Engineer then also look at those places 4 16 on the river that have Main Street addresses 17 because I can see how that would be very, very 18 confusing . 19 MR. SCHILLINGER : It is . I am concerned 07:14PM 20 about emergency vehicles . 21 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : That ' s what I ' m 22 concerned about . 23 MR. SCHILLINGER: I ' m sure you are . 24 MS . NOBLE : But we coordinate all those Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 17 1 addresses with the postmaster and with the 2 emergency responders . 3 MR . SCHILLINGER: Okay . Next question, 4 the alley at the south end there , is that going to 07:14PM 5 be vacated, or what ' s the plan for that? 6 MR. KRAMER: That , again, I don ' t think 7 you ' ll ever find the City building it because of 8 budgets and a lot of reasons . We have not asked 9 them to vacate that to us . They certainly could 07:14PM 10 if they wanted to vacate it , and the statute in 11 Illinois is if it ' s vacated at the City request, 12 one-half goes to each property owner . In other 1 13 words , one-half would go to the Friels and to 14 Mr . Henne , and one-half to the adjoining owners to L 07:15PM 15 the south . 1 16 MR. SCHILLINGER: I ' m sorry . The north . 17 I ' m sorry . 18 MR . KRAMER: This one? 19 MR. SCHILLINGER : Yeah . 07:15PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Same difference . We have 21 not asked them to vacate it . If they said, Gee, 22 we ' re never going to use it , we can ' t imagine ever 23 using it, it would go one-half to each side . 24 MR . SCHILLINGER: Do you foresee Verne Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 18 1 asking for that? 2 MR. KRAMER: We don ' t need it , frankly . 3 MR . SCHILLINGER: Because the owners at 4 201 asked me years ago if I would agree to vacate 07:15PM 5 the one between her and I , and I said, Yeah, if 1 6 you give me my half . She said well, I ' m paying 7 for it , I want it all . I said, Forget it . I 8 don ' t want to get into a battle like that again . 9 MR . KRAMER : Well , there is another 07:15PM 10 provision of the statute -- I mean, again, if the 11 City would say, you know, we can ' t see ever using 12 it, we just want to get rid of it . 13 Now, the City -- and I keep pointing 14 to them. It ' s actually a City Council decision, 07:16PM 15 not a Plan Commission . If they said we think this 16 property has some monetary value, they could 17 actually publish, they ' ve got to get an appraisal 18 and they ' ve got to get at least 80 percent of the 19 appraisal price if they want to sell it , and 07:16PM 20 literally they could try selling it to you or us 21 or somebody, but if they ' re, again, truly going to 22 vacate it with no compensation, they don ' t deem it 23 valuable, they' ve got to do that half and half, 24 and so, no , we wouldn ' t get into that fight with Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 19 1 you . You know where to find Verne . 2 MR . SCHILLINGER: My last thing you 3 mentioned was signs . Was a sign posted on the 4 property? 07:16PM 5 MR. KRAMER: Yes . 6 MR. SCHILLINGER : I never saw it . 7 MR . KRAMER: Well , we posted one , I did 8 it myself frankly, so now again, with some of 9 these winds we ' ve had the last couple weeks , it 07:16PM 10 may be out there in the grass someplace, but it 11 was a nice big one . 12 MR . SCHILLINGER : I got notified, but 13 when you mentioned there was supposed to be a 14 sign, I never saw it . 07:16PM 15 MR . KRAMER: It ' s been there about three 16 weeks . 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : It ' s still there, I 18 go by there . + 19 MR. KRAMER: I thought I put it in . 07:16PM 20 MR . SCHILLINGER : Thank you . 21 MR . KRAMER: You bet . Thanks , Dave . f ! 22 MR. ST . DENNIS : I have a few questions . i 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Can we get your name 1 24 and address? Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 1 20 1 MR. ST . DENNIS : The first one I ' d like 2 to address is going to be just -- 3 MS . NOBLE : Excuse me . Can you state 4 your name and address , please? 07:17PM 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Can we get your name 6 and address? 7 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, I ' m sorry . Peter 8 St . Dennis , 105 Worsley, Yorkville . 9 Something that Dave raised, every 07:17PM 10 time it rains , since they repaved the street, the 11 water comes down the street and half of one of 12 those lots and ends up in my garage . 13 The former City Engineer -- not the 14 gentleman here today -- designed this and said 07:17PM 15 this wouldn ' t be a problem. If the -- If it ' s a 16 problem now, if they build houses there, like Dave 17 said, it ' s just going to get worse . 18 MR . KRAMER: Not necessarily. Again, it 19 all depends on where we direct our water . We ' re 07:17PM 20 certainly not going to direct it out to Worsley 21 Street . 22 MR. ST . DENNIS : Well , right now it ' s 23 going down into my garage . 24 MR . KRAMER: Well, I understand you ' re Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 21 1 saying from the street itself . 2 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes , right , and from 3 the lot . 4 MR . KRAMER: I ' m sorry . o7:17PM 5 MR . ST . DENNIS : And from the lot on the 6 east side . 7 MR . KRAMER: It ' s coming from ours , 8 which probably is coming from up here because 9 that ' s high on the hill and it ' s sheet draining 07:18PM 10 down? 11 MR . ST . DENNIS : Not really . It ' s more 12 level up there . 13 MR . SCHILLINGER: No . I14 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Again, they ' ll have 07:18PM 15 to do some detention in here , but we have to prove 16 that out , that we don ' t add by volume or velocity 17 to it, so there is some things we ' ve got to do to 18 that . i 19 MR . ST . DENNIS : Another question is -- I� 07:18PM 20 MR . KRAMER: But I can ' t help you about 1 21 the street being blacktopped better and, you know, d 22 it coming faster . That wasn ' t us . 23 MR. ST . DENNIS : Right . Another 24 question is what sort of -- what size homes are Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 22 1 they looking to put? 2 MR . KRAMER: Verne has built not a lot 3 of homes over the years , but probably 20 , 30 in 4 town . If you go actually right out here on 07:18PM 5 Somonauk Street on the south side, he built three 6 or four of them in there . They were around 1800 7 to 2 , 000-square foot . And usually he ' s built 8 ranches , not two-story boxes . 9 So I would suspect you ' re going to 07:18PM 10 see something in the neighborhood of an 1800 to 11 2 , 000-square foot ranch on each lot . And he won ' t 12 spec them. He will , again, get an ultimate buyer 13 before he starts the homes . 14 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, okay . Let ' s see . 07:19PM 15 What was that other question? Also I was 16 wondering about where -- is there any sort of plot v 17 plan that they have, where the houses would be, 18 that sort of thing? 19 MR . KRAMER: Make sure I don ' t grab the 07:19PM 20 wrong drawing here . They have to be I believe 21 it ' s a 30-foot setback from the front , and 22 actually you ' re going to find that both of them 23 are going to get set back in quite far . 24 One reason is because you ' ve got Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 23 1 that really big sewer easement north and south of 2 this lot , so it ' s got to be back in here, and the 3 same here , by the time we get the utility 4 easements on the property . l 07:19PM 5 So you ' re probably going to be -- I 6 and this is quite unusual -- usually -- throughout I 7 Countryside, those only have a 25 to 30-foot F 8 setback . These houses will probably be in a good 9 40 feet because of these easements that are 07:20PM 10 north/south. 11 And then on the side, again, with 12 the footprint from about an 1800 square foot home, 13 you ' re going to probably have a good 20 to 25 foot 14 side yard on each of them, and the rear yard I 07:20PM 15 believe has to be a minimum of 20 , so the front is 16 here, so again, the rear has got to be off there . r 17 So it will be right literally in the middle of 18 good sized lots , so well over 12 , 000 square feet . 19 MR . ST . DENNIS : ( Inaudible . ) 07:20PM 20 MR . KRAMER: Yes , it will fit nicely . 21 MR. ST . DENNIS : I was concerned about 22 the garages and driveways -- 23 THE REPORTER: Sir, I can ' t hear you . 24 I ' m sorry . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 24 1 MR . ST . DENNIS : Oh, I ' m sorry . 2 MR . KRAMER: There ' s a fan and so on . 3 MR . ST . DENNIS : I was concerned about 4 the garages and driveways and orientation of that . 07:20PM 5 If they put them on what ' s marked as an alley on 6 the plan, then they have to be in the bottom of 7 the hill, which is actually opposite mine, not a 8 big deal, but anyway, if they put it on the side 9 streets , Gawne and Worsley, at the top of the 07:21PM 10 hill , then the people will actually have an easier 11 time getting in and out of the -- 12 MR . KRAMER: And I suspect that ' s the 13 way they will be oriented . 1 14 MR. ST . DENNIS : Because it ' s a little i 07:21PM 15 rough in there . 9 16 MR . KRAMER: And, like I say, there is i 17 a -- the topo, it drops off . 18 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes . 19 MR . KRAMER: We ' re very aware of that . 07:21PM 20 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay . I think that ' s 21 about it . Oh, here ' s another thing that I wanted 22 to ask about , and I don ' t know if this is the 23 place or not . 24 My garage is right at Worsley Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 25 1 Street . There ' s no setback or anything like that . 2 It was built that way decades and decades ago . 3 MR . KRAMER: Before ' 73 , Yorkville 4 didn ' t have a zoning ordinance -- 07:22PM 5 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay . 6 MR . KRAMER: -- or a building code, and 7 actually you weren ' t Yorkville . Then it was the 8 Village of Bristol . 9 MR . ST . DENNIS : Right . Right . What 07:22PM 10 I ' m concerned about is I have antique cars in my 11 garage and I need to have access basically into 12 that lot to pull up a car and perhaps a trailer, 13 and I ' m thinking in the event of a fire engine or 14 an ambulance, you may need a turn-around there , 07:22PM 15 too . 16 I ' m wondering if they would be 17 building in that area . 18 MR . KRAMER: Are you talking like 19 perhaps right down in here? 07:22PM 20 MR . ST . DENNIS : Let me show you . 21 MR . SCHILLINGER : It ' s actually gone . 22 MR. KRAMER: You are over on this side 23 on Gawne? 24 MR . ST . DENNIS : Yes . It would be right Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 26 1 around here (indicating) . 2 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Dan, what was the 3 question again? 4 MR. KRAMER: Is the question you ' re 07:23PM 5 saying are we going to do something there that 6 would prevent you from driving into this property? 7 MR . ST . DENNIS : Basically, yes . If the 8 street is only ten feet wide, obviously a vehicle 9 is longer than that , especially the ones I drive, 07:23PM 10 and if you ' re pulling a trailer, you need to pull 11 it up and then back it into the garage . 12 MR . KRAMER: I think that ' s something I 13 can ' t give you an answer and say, boy, they have 14 no problem, you know, with you driving on the lot , 07:23PM 15 because, again, with the topo, that ' s the area 16 we ' re looking that we ' ve got to build at least 17 some slight berm to keep the water from going 18 down, but I ' ll give you a card before I leave 19 tonight and I ' ll have you talk to Mr . Henne, the 07:23PM 20 actual builder, because he does excavation, and, 21 you know, maybe there is an accommodation, we can 22 work some kind of notch out for you there or 23 something . 24 MR . ST . DENNIS : Well , the reason is , I Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 27 1 mean, I ' ve been doing that for 20 years , I ' d like 2 to continue doing the same thing . It ' s not often, 3 it ' s just if there is a structure in the way or i1 ` 4 even a fence, I can ' t do that . t 07:24PM 5 MR . KRAMER : Well , I know there won ' t be i f 6 a house in the way, we ' ll be way back over there . I 7 My only concern is what we have to do on the 8 detention . 9 And like I said, I ' m sure there is a 07:24PM 10 way that we can accommodate you, but let ' s sit 11 down and look at the actual plan, and Mr . Henne 12 would be the one doing the excavating himself on 13 it and so on, so I can have you speak with him. 14 I ' ll get your name and address before I leave 07:24PM 15 tonight , if that ' s okay with the Chairman . 16 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : That ' s fine . 17 MR . KRAMER: Okay . Thank you . 18 MR . ST . DENNIS : Okay . Thanks . 19 MR . KRAMER: You bet . 07:24PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM: Was there any other 21 question? 22 MS . SCHILLINGER : Just one . Lisa 23 Schillinger . I ' m at 412 East Main . We were 24 talking about the detention down there at the Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 28 1 corner where Worsley curves around . 2 There is a fire hydrant there . 3 What ' s going to happen with the fire hydrant? 4 MR . KRAMER: Well , I mean, we can ' t 07:24PM 5 disturb that . 6 MS . SCHILLINGER : So that would stay? 7 MR . KRAMER : Yeah, you would notch out 8 around it . 9 MS . SCHILLINGER : Okay . 07:24PM 10 MR. KRAMER: And we ' re not talking -- 11 you know, like we drive by some subdivisions where 12 there are 12-foot berms . 13 MS . SCHILLINGER : I just want to make I� 14 sure the fire hydrant is not going to be 07:24PM 15 disturbed . y 16 MR . KRAMER: No . 17 MS . SCHILLINGER : And then my second 18 question is we did have to have emergency crews 19 down there one night and the ambulance couldn ' t 08:26PM 20 get out , it had to totally back up, so I ' m worried l21 about , like he said, trying to get those emergency 1 22 vehicles in . 23 You ' ll never get a fire truck down 24 in there until it ' s turned around, so, you know, 1 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 29 1 that ' s something else the City may want to think 2 about, too, so if you build more houses there, you 3 might have more problems there . 4 So emergency trucks , I know a fire 08:27PM 5 truck can ' t get totally down there , and the 6 ambulance did have trouble the night we were 7 there, so . . . 8 MR . KRAMER: Yeah . I mean, we ' re not 9 going to add to that problem in the sense that , 08:27PM 10 like I say, given the fact that these lots were 11 platted decades ago as -- 12 MS . SCHILLINGER : Right . 13 MR. KRAMER: -- you could theoretically 14 have three really, really small houses there . 08:27PM 15 MS . SCHILLINGER : Yeah . 16 MR . KRAMER: So actually you ' re lowering 17 what could be there, frankly . 18 MS . SCHILLINGER : Right . That ' s all I 19 have . 08:27PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Just a comment . 21 We ' re well aware of the problems down in that area 22 there . I just don ' t think the way Dan has 23 described where. these buildings are going to be 24 that that ' s contributing to the problem. The Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 i 30 1 problem has been there for years and we ' re aware i 2 of it . You ' re right, there is -- there ' s a 3 problem. 4 MR. SCHILLINGER : We just don ' t want to 1 08:28PM 5 see it get any worse . I 6 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Right . I agree . t 7 Okay . Are there any other comments or questions 8 on this petition? w 9 (No response . ) 08:28PM 10 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank you, 11 Dan . 12 MR . KRAMER: Thank you . 13 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . With that , j14 we ' ll move on then to the second public hearing, 08:28PM 15 PC 2001-08 , Pulte Homes , Incorporated, petitioner, 1 1 16 has filed an application with the United City of 1 17 Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois , requesting an 18 amendment to the final plat of subdivision for I 19 Unit 1 of the Autumn Creek subdivision and an 08:28PM 20 amendment to that portion of the Autumn Creek 21 Planned Unit Development Agreement related to the 22 final plat of subdivision for Unit 1 dated 1 23 April 12 , 2005 , and amended July 13th, 2010 , for 24 the purpose of re-platting certain lots planned Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 31 1 for townhome units for proposed single family 2 detached units . I 3 The portion of the real property 4 affected by the requested amendment consists of 08:29PM 5 approximately 13 . 07 acres and is generally located 3 6 in the Autumn Creek subdivision immediately north yq 1 7 of Route 34 and south of Kennedy Road in 8 Yorkville, Illinois . 9 And who will be addressing on behalf 08:29PM 10 of the petitioner? 11 MR . DAAB : I will . Mr . Chairman and f 12 members of the Commission, I ' m Jake Daab . I ' m the 13 Land Acquisition Manager for Pulte Homes , Chicago 14 Division . We ' re located at 1901 North Roselle 08:29PM 15 Road in Schaumburg, Illinois . 16 With me tonight as well is Ken Huhn 17 of HR Green, the engineer for the property, and 18 our attorney, Mr . Chuck Byrum. 19 We are here tonight seeking your 08:30PM 20 recommendation, positive recommendation, to amend 21 the Autumn Creek PUD and annexation agreement to 22 allow a portion of Autumn Creek Unit 1 , which 23 consists of approximately 13 acres , to be 24 re-subdivided and developed for single family a Depo•Court Reporting Service ( 630) 983-0030 32 1 homes rather than the townhomes as currently 2 platted . 3 The amended PUD would result in a 4 net decrease in the amount of units , changing what 08:30PM 5 is now 24 townhome lots , which could accommodate i s 6 110 total units , to 31 single family lots . 7 The overall density for the area 8 would decrease from approximately 8 . 19 dwelling 9 units per acre to 2 . 37 units per acre , or i 08:30PM 10 approximately a 30 percent decrease . 11 As you stated, and what the r 12 memorandum that was submitted from Staff, fairly 13 covers the main issues , but I ' m happy to address 14 any additional comments or questions you might 08:30PM 15 have, or if I can ' t answer, please refer to i 16 counsel or the engineer . 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Questions or d 18 comments from the audience? Young lady, would you 19 stand, state your name? 08:31PM 20 MS . MADISON : My name is Bonnie Madison . 21 I live at 1427 Crimson Lane . I live in the 22 townhomes . And I ' ve never done anything like this 23 before . 24 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : We ' re friendly. Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 33 1 MS . MADISON : My question is I have no 2 problem with you building single family homes . 3 That ' s not my issue . 4 I ' m not great with my directions . I 08:31PM 5 think it ' s the north -- let ' s see, the west , 6 southwest corner, northwest corner, of Crimson and 7 Orchid, or Crimson and Autumn Creek . 8 MR . PIERCE : You are talking about your , 9 house? t 08:31PM 10 MS . MADISON : Yes . 11 MR. PIERCE : All right . You are north 12 of Crimson and far west unit . r 13 MS . MADISON : Okay . You did not develop 14 over there . You crossed the street and continued 1 08:31PM 15 over there . My backyard has been there three i 16 years now and has been weeds . 17 I have to imagine if you ' re going to i 18 continue to build single family homes , are you 19 going to put a single family home in the middle of 08:32PM 20 our homes , or are we going to continue -- My t 21 understanding is -- the original -- The original 22 model, you have grass in front . I believe you ' re 23 going to -- 24 MR . DAAB : Right . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 34 1 MS . MADISON : I ' m told you were going to i 2 put another set of townhomes there and another set 3 of townhomes behind me to complete the townhomes . I 4 I can ' t see you putting one single family home in 08:32PM 5 the middle of the townhomes . 6 I have no sidewalk . My children t I 7 walk to school . I would like something to be done 8 with that . I have to imagine you are going to 9 continue with the single family homes before you 08:32PM 10 go back and build any townhomes because -- 11 MR . DAAB : Right . 12 MS . MADISON : -- the price of your 13 single family homes is what the townhomes went 14 for . I realize that . 08:32PM 15 MR . DAAB : Sure . 16 MS . MADISON : But in the meantime, 17 people walk their dogs back there, there is 18 garbage back there . 19 I have a three-year old and a 08:32PM 20 five-year old . That ' s my backyard . Again, my 21 five-year old walks to kindergarten, he walks to 22 school now . There is that one little area, they 23 have not built a sidewalk there, to continue on 24 Crimson and continue on Autumn Creek . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 35 1 MR . DAAB : I don ' t have an answer for ' 2 you now, I have to check with Land Development , 3 but what I will do is give you my card, you call 4 me and I will get an answer for you . How is that ? 08:33PM 5 MS . MADISON : Okay . 6 MR . DAAB : I understand what you are 7 saying . 8 MS . MADISON : What are the intentions 9 with that back there? Are you planning on 08:33PM 10 re-platting into a single family home as well ? 11 MR . DAAB : Right now it ' s platted as 12 townhomes . 13 MS . MADISON : Which would make sense . 1 14 MR . DAAB : Right . 08:33PM 15 MS . MADISON : Okay . Could something be 1 16 worked out if you ' re not going to build those f17 townhomes before you continue with the single 18 family homes? I 19 There is , I don ' t know, rebar, there 08:33PM 20 is a big piece of metal that sticks out at the end 21 of the sidewalk, and again, it ' s a young 22 community, we ' ve got a lot of kids that go to 23 school over there . 24 MR . DAAB : I understand the concern, and Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 36 1 it ' s something we don ' t want to continue, so call 2 me . I ' ll talk with our construction people, Land 3 Development people . We ' ll see what we can do . 4 MS . MADISON : Okay . Thank you . 08:33PM 5 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Anybody else 6 have questions? Yes , sir . 7 MR . PIERCE : I am Leon Pierce , I live at 8 1497 Orchid Street , and I am president of the 9 Autumn Creek Condo Association . Several 08:34PM 10 questions , issues , whatever, to deal with . 11 Going back to hers , with the grass 12 and everything else, if the sidewalks would be put 13 in -- I need to take this back to that -- we as a 14 condo would eventually be responsible for those 08:34PM 15 sidewalks , and to alleviate the issue of winter 16 and snow, we would have no problem having our j 17 people plow those sidewalks so that the children 18 from both the homes and -- can get to the Autumn I 19 Creek school without having to walk on ice and 08:34PM 20 snow. 1 21 If Pulte would take and put dirt on 22 those fields , put down seed and grass , we would do 23 what we currently are doing across from the 24 models , which is Pulte property, which is seeded Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 37 1 and grass , we would have our landscapers mow it 2 and so forth, making the community more 3 presentable to those of us in the townhomes that 4 live there, and to you and your people who are 08:35PM 5 trying to sell your homes . 6 MR. DAAB : Right . 7 MR. PIERCE : And a field full of weeds 8 doesn ' t do anybody any good . E 9 So, you know, so we would like to s t 08:35PM 10 have a solution . We ' d like to work with Pulte to 11 come up with a solution . 12 MR . DAAB : When is -- I don ' t -- when is 13 your next HOA meeting, your condo board HOA? 14 MR. PIERCE : It will be January . We 08:35PM 15 just did our budget . But we use the same 16 management company and so forth . 17 MR . DAAB : Okay . 18 MR . PIERCE : And your people know our 19 people and your people can talk to our people . 08:35PM 20 What a saying . 21 MR. DAAB : It sounds so awkward . 22 MR . PIERCE : I know it does . So that ' s 23 one issue, because you are probably -- you ' re here 24 three years longer than you wanted to be, and Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 i 38 1 you ' re probably going to be here another five 2 years the way things are going, and looking at 3 weeds and stuff for five years just isn ' t 4 presentable to us , to you, or the community, and 08:36PM 5 you don ' t have any kind of signs put up there and 6 everything else to cut your weeds , so we would 7 like to have somebody to come work with Pulte and 8 make it happen and help maintain . 9 The other issue is looking at the i a 08:36PM 10 plot , I don ' t know if I can come up there . 11 MR . DAAB : Sure . I 12 MR . PIERCE : You have -- And it ' s a 13 question of understanding . You meet up here with 14 the townhomes , right? 08:36PM 15 MR . DAAB : Right . 16 MR . PIERCE : All right . These two plots 17 here , 11 and 12 , my understanding would be that 18 those two are going to be just grass over . 19 MR . DAAB : That ' s correct . 1 08:36PM 20 MR . PIERCE : Okay . Because of 21 down-the-road maintenance issues , we currently 22 take care of all this , we butt up to these homes 23 here, take care of those . You would have -- the 24 HOA people have to mow this property . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 39 1 MR . DRAB : That ' s correct . 2 MR. PIERCE : Okay . A recommendation or 3 suggestion that I would make is that if you deeded 4 those to the condo association, we would not have 08:37PM 5 a conflict here between the homeowner, the HOA and 6 the condo association . 7 We would mow and maintain the 8 property right up to the owner ' s property and you a 9 would not have two different organizations 1 a 08:37PM 10 handling such a short piece of property . 11 The other thing that I would ask at s 12 that point is that unlike what happens along the 13 bike trail that is in there, that that area be 14 sodded so that you have sod here with the 08:37PM 15 homeowners , sod, which we have here, and then that 16 would all be nice, uniform, so forth, through, and 1 17 that five, 10 , 15 years from now when other people 18 are in these positions , nobody is looking and 19 trying to figure out who owns what, who is 08:37PM 20 responsible for what . We would have the 21 responsibility right up to the homes . 22 MR . DAAB : That ' s something that I need 23 to discuss with the HOA people in the company 24 because that ' s clearly -- once we ' re gone, that ' s u Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 40 1 going to be an HOA responsibility . 2 MR . PIERCE : Right . And I ' m saying 3 rather than have a dispute between us , the HOA, 4 and the homeowner in question, if the condo had it 08:38PM 5 right up to that property, then ten years from now 6 when none of us are around, you know, the condo 7 people would just be mowing and maintaining it and 8 so forth right up to that point . Make it easier 9 down the road . 08:38PM 10 MR . DAAB : It ' s certainly something I 11 made a note of, and when I meet with the lady of 12 the company that handles the HOAs , I have it on 1 13 the list and we ' ll see how we handle it with the 14 master condo association . 08:38PM 15 MR . PIERCE : Okay . And the other thing 16 is more a point of irritation . This thing seems 17 to be presented as no negative impact to the 18 homeowners , to the townhomes , and that ' s really 19 not true . There is a negative impact . 08:38PM 20 When we agreed to our budget and we 21 went from 258 units to 135 units , there was a $10 22 a month increase as a result . Fixed costs are not 23 calculated and divided over 258 units , now divided 24 over 135 . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 I i I 41 i f 1 MR . DAAB : Right . V 2 MR . PIERCE : Okay? When Pulte did their 9 I� 3 calculation and reviewed it , which was done in J 4 2010 , there was a $ 10 increase . $10 may not seem ? 08:39PM 5 like much, but at the same time, you change -- E 6 there is 74 less units . i 7 Mayor Burd always used to point out 8 the City gets $400 per plot . That ' s $28 , 000 less 9 to the City . All right . Same amount of roads to 08:39PM 10 be plowed, same amount to be swept , same number 11 of light fixtures to be taken care of . 12 You take 74 units out of it , 13 $150 , 000 apiece -- I am not arguing numbers or 14 whatever, just a concept -- that ' s ten million 08:39PM 15 dollars worth of property value that ' s taken out , i 16 that ' s $240 , 000 or $250 , 000 , 300 , 000 , whatever, 17 property taxes not collected . 18 To the schools , that ' s $ 150 , 000 not 19 collected for the schools . That ' s three teachers . 08:40PM 20 And there ' s no guarantee that 31 homes produce I 21 less students than a hundred townhomes , because in 22 24 townhomes around me , there is only three 23 students . 24 If you take three times four, that ' s i Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 42 1 only 12 out of a hundred, if it extrapolated out . ' 2 There is no guarantee that 31 homes would generate 3 less than 12 students . All right . 4 So there is a potential negative 08:40PM 5 impact to the schools , to the City, to the 6 homeowners and that , and it ' s a big one to you 7 guys , $1 . 7 million, okay? 8 So something has got to be done , but 9 there are negative impacts . It ' s just a little 08:40PM 10 irritating when you hear there are no negative 11 impacts . 12 MR . DRAB : Let ' s me ease the irritation . 13 The way we looked at it is that were this to be 14 left for townhomes -- 08:41PM 15 MR . PIERCE : Right . 16 MR. DAAB : -- they would never be 17 built . 18 MR . PIERCE : No, I understand that, and 19 I understand it has to be done . 08:41PM 20 MR . DAAB : Right . 21 MR . PIERCE : It ' s just an irritation, 22 that ' s all . I don ' t expect compensation to take 23 place, but when it ' s presented and said that there 0 24 are no negative impacts , you ' ve got them, we ' ve Depo•Court Reporting Service ( 630) 983-0030 I 43 1 got them, the City has got them, the schools have 2 them. 3 And the cost for you guys to go 4 through and bulldoze all this stuff, to redo all 08:41PM 5 the sewers , I don ' t know how -- You can ' t be 6 making money . 7 MR. DRAB : No . 8 MR. PIERCE : No, seriously . 1 . 7 i9 million -- j 08:41PM 10 MR . CROUCH : Don ' t go there . 11 MR. PIERCE : You know, so it ' s just -- s 12 MR . DAAB : Welcome to my world . 13 MR . PIERCE : Right . So it ' s just an 14 irritant when you hear there is none, okay? 08:41PM 15 That ' s all . 16 MR . DAAB : I appreciate that . 17 MR . PIERCE : Okay . And I don ' t know if 18 it ' s time to do this and that , but there are 19 certain things that just don ' t get done out 08:41PM 20 there . 21 The walking trail that ' s out there , 22 it floods . It ' s flooded from day one . And we 23 mentioned it last year and the result was they 24 fixed it once and it didn ' t flood, then Emily was Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 44 1 there and got it fixed . She left , and as soon as 2 she left, they came -- Pulte came in and built a 3 five-inch -- four to five-inch retaining wall on 4 the side where it was fixed with drain, and so now 08:42PM 5 the net effect is it floods at a deeper depth over 6 the longer part of the path and stays flooded 7 longer . So it ' s not a plus to your community, 8 it ' s a negative . 9 And you ' ve got to do something 08:42PM 10 about the tree planting issues because when you 11 present the budgets , and Krysti put them out for 12 2011 and 2012 , there is $ 9, 000 in there for 13 planting trees . There ' s been trees dead for two 14 and three years out there that have never been 08:42PM 15 replanted . 16 MS . NOBLE : And they will be, upon final 17 acceptance . That ' s a punch list item. i 18 MR . PIERCE : Yeah, but that could be 19 five years from now . We ' re losing -- We ' ve lost `. 08:42PM 20 three years of growth on the trees . We ' re talking 21 about losing another five years of growth? a 22 MS . NOBLE : Well -- 23 MR . PIERCE : That ' s eight years of 24 growth, and trees look pretty good after eight Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 45 1 years of growing, which has , you know, a positive 2 impact on the community, your ability to sell your 3 homes and so forth . 4 MS . NOBLE : That ' s true . 08:43PM 5 MR . DAAB : I have taken note . 6 MR . PIERCE : I appreciate it . 7 MR. DAAB : I don ' t dismiss it . Truly . 8 MR . PIERCE : No, no, I know you don ' t . 9 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Okay . Thank you . 08:43PM 10 Any other comments or questions ? 11 (No response . ) 12 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Going once . Hearing 13 none then, I would entertain a motion to close the 14 public hearing . 08:43PM 15 MR . JONES : So moved . 16 MR . BAKER : Second . 17 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Moved and seconded . 18 Discussion on the motion? 19 (No response . ) 08:43PM 20 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Hearing none, those 21 in favor signify by saying aye . 22 (A chorus of ayes . ) 23 CHAIRMAN LINDBLOM : Motions passes . 24 Public hearing is now closed . Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 46 1 (Which were all the 2 proceedings had in the 3 public hearing portion 4 of the meeting . ) 5 ---000--- 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 47 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) ) SS . 2 COUNTY OF LA SALLE ) 3 I , Christine M. Vitosh, a Certified 4 Shorthand Reporter, do hereby certify that I 5 reported in shorthand the proceedings had at the 6 hearing of the above-entitled cause and that the 7 foregoing Report of Proceedings , Pages 1 through 8 48 , inclusive, is a true, correct , and complete 9 transcript of my shorthand notes so taken at the 10 time and place aforesaid . 11 I further certify that I am neither 12 counsel for nor related to counsel for any of the 13 parties to this suit , nor am I in any way related 14 to any of the parties to this suit , nor am I in 15 any way interested in the outcome thereof . 16 I further certify that my 17 certificate annexed hereto applies to the original 18 transcript and copies thereof, signed and 19 certified under my hand only . I assume no 20 responsibility for the accuracy of any reproduced 21 copies not made under my control or direction . 22 23 24 Depo•Court Reporting Service (630) 983-0030 48 1 In testimony whereof, I have 2 hereunto set my hand this 19th day of December, 3 A . D . , 2011 . 4 5 6 Christine M . 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