City Council Minutes 2008 10-28-08 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE' CITY COUNCIL
OF THE UNITED CITY OF YORKVILLE. KENDALL COUNTY. ILLINOIS,
HELD IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
800 GAME FARM ROAD ON
TUESDAY. OCTOBER 28.2008.
Mayor Burd called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M and led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Clerk Milschewski called the roll.
Ward I Allen Present
Werderich Present
Ward II Golinski Present
Plocher Present
Ward III Munns Present
Sutcliff Present
Ward IV Besco Present
Spears Present
Also present: City Clerk Milschewski, City Treasurer Powell, City Attorney Orr, City Administrator
McLaughlin, Assistant City Administrator Olson, Finance Director Mika, Public Works Director Dhuse,
Police Chief Martin, Police Lieutenants Hart & Schwartzkopf, Director of Park & Recreation Mogle,
Community Development Director Miller, Public Relations Officer Spies and City Engineer Wywrot.
OUORUM
A quorum was established.
INTRODUCTION OF GUESTS
Mayor Burd asked the staff and guests to introduce themselves. She welcomed the guests and asked them
to enter their names on the attendance sheet provided.
AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA
Attorney Orr requested that Item #7 on the consent agenda be tabled until the next City Council meeting.
A motion was made by Alderman Allen to table Item #7 on the consent agenda - Cross Connection
Control Ordinance — until the next City Council meeting; seconded by Alderman Munns.
Motion approved unanimously by a viva voce vote.
A motion was made by Alderman Spears to remove Item #3 - Code Amendment Ordinances from the
consent agenda and placed it on the regular agenda under the Public Safety Committee Report; seconded
by Alderman Allen.
Motion approved unanim ously by a viva voce vote.
A motion was made by Alderman Spears to remove Item #4 — An Ordinance Amending the Code of
Ordinances Regarding Parental Responsibility from the consent agenda and placed it on the regular
agenda under the Public Safety Committee Report; seconded by Alderman Munns.
Motion approved unanim ously by a viva voce vote.
COMMITTEE MEETING DATES
Public Works Committee 6:00 p.m., November 18, 2008
City Hall Conference Room
Economic Development Committee Cancelled
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Administration Committee 6:00 p.m., November 13, 2008
City Hall Conference Room
Public Safety Committee 6:00 P.M., November 24, 2008
City Hall Conference Room
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PRESENTATIONS
Commendation Presentation to Sergeant Barry Groesch
On behalf of the United City of Yorkville, Police Department and Human Resource Commission,
Sergeant Barry Groesch was presented with a commendation for his efforts in finding a new location for
the Kendall County Food Pantry. He also arranged for donations of cleaning and landscaping services.
Mayor Burd presented Sergeant Groesch with a plaque and a token of appreciation for his efforts.
Certificates of Appreciation for Retired Human Resource Commission Members
Mayor Burd announced that several members of the Human Resource Commission are retiring from it.
She and Alderman Spears presented Madonna Bialek with a Certificate of Appreciation for her service on
the commission from 2005 to 2008. Alderman Spears stated that Ms. Bialek was responsible for
organizing the Polka Party fundraiser which raised over $4,000.00. Of the funds raised, $1,800.00
remains and it has been decided to allow Ms. Bialek to designate their use. Ms. Bialek explained that she
is currently working on a new program for Alzheimer's and would like the funds donated to the program.
Mayor Burd noted that two other members were retiring but could not attend the meetings. They are
Diana Lento -Riedy who has served on the commission from 1998 to 2008 and Tom Zaranti who served
from 2004 to 2008. They will also be presented with Certificates of Appreciations.
Presentation by the Yorkville Green Committee
Members of the Green Committee, Marta Keane and Ann Engelhardt, explained to the City Council that
on November 1, 2008 from 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. the committee will be hosting its first share and care
recycling day at the Kendall County fairgrounds. The event is being held to collect donations of
electronics, clothing, scrap metal, etc. Representatives from various groups will be there to take
donations such as Sergeant Groesch who will be collect medications for proper disposal, the American
Legion will be collecting used American flags, the Boys Scouts will be collecting used camping gear and
other organizations will be collecting eye glasses, hearing aids, etc. The Green Committee is also
encouraged everyone to bring a donation for the Food Pantry. The ladies thanked the city staff for
printing the flyers which were distributed locally and at a recent hazardous waste recycling event. Mayor
Burd encouraged people to recycle and help at the event.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Urness Land Company
Urness Land Company, petitioner, has filed an application with the United City of Yorkville, Kendall
County, Illinois, requesting annexation and rezoning from B -3 Business District to PUD zoning. The real
property consists of approximately 2 acres, located at 9316 Route 34, Yorkville, Illinois.
Countryside Center Business District
Comprehensive Plan
Please see attached Report of Proceedings by Teresa S. Grandchamp, C.S.R. from Depo Court Reporting
Service for the transcription of this portion of the public hearing.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
Tom Gilmore addressed the City Council regarding the Urness Land Company rezoning. He stated that
reason the property was zoned industrial was because there was an Intergovernmental Agreement with
Plano.
Andrew Shaw, 910 Fawn Ridge, addressed the City Council. He expressed his concern with the Parental
Responsibility Ordinance and he discouraged the Council from passing it. He explained that he is a high
school teacher and feels that the ordinance affects lower socioeconomic groups. He felt it was unfair to
slap fines on parents because their children choose to be unlawful. Some of these parents are single and
working two jobs to make ends meet. There are also parents of foster or adopted children who can be
caring and supported but the children in their care have low cognitive function or have experienced things
which adversely affect them.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Police Reports for September 2008 (PS 2008 -44)
2. Payment of Administrative Adjudication Hearing Officers (PS 2008 -45)
3. Ordinance 2008 -90 - Amending the Code of Ordinances Prohibiting Parking in a Designated
Handicapped Parking Space - authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute (PS 2008 -47)
4. Ordinance 2008 -91- Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Restrictions to Animals -
authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute (PS 2008 -43)
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5. Resolution 2008 -42 - Supplemental MFT Appropriation Resolution for Salt Purchase — authorize
City Clerk to execute (PW 2008 -129)
6. Kendallwood Estates — Van Emmon Restoration RFP Results — award contract to Aurora
Blacktop, Inc. in an amount not to exceed $10, 627.20(PW 2008 -131)
7. Stagecoach Crossing — IDOT Highway Permit Bond Reduction No. 1— authorize reduction in an
amount not to exceed $425,504.70, subject to written confirmation from IDOT that they concur
with that reduction (PW 2008 -132)
8. Water Department Report for July 2008 (PW 2008 -134)
9. Water Department Report for August 2008 (PW 2008 -135)
10. Heartland Circle Park Change Order 2 — authorize Mayor to execute (CC 2008 -78)
11. Prairie Meadows Park Change Order 3 — authorize Mayor to execute (CC 2008 -79)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve the Consent Agenda as amended. So moved by Alderman
Werderich; seconded by Alderman Munns.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Golinski -aye, Werderich -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -aye
Munns -aye, Sutcliff -aye, Allen -aye, Besco -aye
PLAN COMMISSION /ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL
Director Miller reported that the next Plan Commission meeting is scheduled for November 12, 2008 and
the next Zoning Board of Appeals meeting was cancelled due to lack of cases.
MINUTES FOR APPROVAL,
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the minutes of the City Council meeting of
September 23, 2008; seconded by Alderman Allen.
Alderman Golinski noted that the minutes incorrectly reference Mayor Pro Tem. Werderich instead of
Mayor Burd.
Alderman Spears made corrections to her comments regarding signage.
Alderman Allen withdrew his second; Alderman Munns withdrew the motion.
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve minutes as amended. So moved by Alderman Munns;
seconded by Alderman Allen.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
BILLS FOR APPROVAL
A motion was made by Alderman Munns to approve the paying of the bills listed on the Detailed Board
Report dated October 23, 2008 totaling the following amounts: checks in the amount of $804,711.20
(vendors); $271,500.93 (payroll period ending 10/11/08); for a total of $1,076,212.13; seconded by
Alderman Werderich.
Alderman Spears questioned the following:
• Holiday Under the Stars — she requested an update on the event's expenses and sponsor
commitments. Mrs. Spies explained that there have been donations of $10,500.00 and
expenditures of $18,000.00 and that she would provide the details of the event.
• Page 6 - Valerie Mayor Burd — Admin. — Cell phone reimbursement in the amount of $230.10.
She indicated that she was doing a report on cell phone usage and she would like a detailed report
of cell phone expenses. She will be bringing her findings to the Administration Committee.
Director Mika indicated she would get this information for Alderman Spears.
• Page 13 — Home Depot — Police — 12 gallon clear in that amount of $85.05. Chief Martin
explained that he would verify what this was.
• Alderman Spears noted that Administrator McLaughlin did not give a breakdown of legal
expenses in his weekly report. Assistant City Administrator Olson indicated that this information
was distributed in the October 10, 2008 report.
• Page 29 — ServiceMaster — additional services in the amount of $330.00. Mr. Olson noted that
the building janitor was on vacation so ServiceMaster filled in.
• Page 34 — Walker Custom Homes in the amount of $3,940.90. Director Mogle indicated that this
was for the preschool demolition and will be paid out of the $100,000.00 escrow account.
Alderman Spears asked if the Walkers or the city paid the contractor and Director Mogle
indicated that the city paid Walker who in turn paid the contractor.
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o Page 36 — Yorkville- Bristol Sanitary District —Transport of bio- solids in the amount of
$5,130.87. Director Dhuse explained that this is the charge for sledge removal due to the new
water filtration process.
Alderman Besco questioned a payment to the Illinois Environmental Council on page 14 in the amount of
$500.00. Mrs. Spies explained that this was for the Rolling on the River Event. Alderman Besco asked
that items such as this be more detailed in the future.
Alderman Golinski questioned a payment to Kelvyn Press for the fall newsletter on page 16 in the amount
of $3,583.00. He suggested that the newsletter be revisited and maybe only issued semiannually or
annually in an effort to cut costs. Attorney Orr suggested that this be discussed at an Administration
Committee meeting.
Mayor Burd suggested that if the aldermen have questions about the bill list they contact staff by the
Monday before a City Council meeting so that staff has time to research their questions. Alderman
Spears noted that this was tried before however due to her work schedule she is unable to telephone staff
during working hours. Mayor Burd suggested emailing staff or leaving phone messages over the
weekend.
Alderman Allen noted that just because money is budgeted for something like the Illinois Municipal
League Conference it doesn't mean it has to be spent.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Munns -aye, Plocher -aye, Spears -nay, Sutcliff -aye,
Werderich -aye, Besco -aye, Golinski -aye, Allen -aye
REPORTS
MAYOR'S REPORT
Appointment and Swearing -in of Julie Darr as Hearing Officer
(CC 2008 -80)
Mayor Burd reported that Hearing Officer Greg Ingemunson has resigned. She entertained a motion to
approve the appointment of Julie Darr as a Hearing Officer for the United City of Yorkville. So moved
by Alderman Werderich; seconded by Alderman Munns.
Alderman Allen asked if the agreement with Attorney Ingemunson had been terminated. Mayor Burd
stated that it had because he resigned.
Alderman Spears asked if the city paid for Attorney Ingemunson's training. Administrator, McLaughlin
stated that he was unsure and would check into it. Mayor Burd added that Attorney Ingemunson had not
been sworn in yet. Alderman Spears indicated that she attended the first hearing for four individuals but
only one showed up. She questioned the need for two hearing officers considering the city's budget
problems. She commented that she felt the whole hearing process was set up quickly without the City
Council even knowing the attorney's fees. She recommended that hiring a second attorney be
readdressed in six months.
Alderman Allen questioned if there was anticipation of a greater usage. Attorney Orr stated that the
volume for the program is unknown. Mayor Burd noted that the attorneys are not paid unless they attend
a hearing and the only cost to the city so far was for training.
Attorney Orr explained that the law provides for a hearing between thirty and forty days after the offense.
If there is no hearing, the city does not receive payment. She felt it was unfair to expect one attorney to
be available when the hearings are needed. She informed the Council that so far the city has collected
about $1,500.00 in prepaid fines due to the process. She also noted that most communities appoint three
hearing officers.
Alderman Besco asked if a hearing would be held for even just one case. Attorney Orr stated that this
could happen because the city is mandated by law to hold the hearing and the hearing officer is paid for
one hour of service. She stated that the next hearing was scheduled for October 29, 2008 and that fifteen
citations were issued of which eight prepaid fees so there will be seven cases heard.
Chief Martin explained that many times an officer goes to court while getting paid a minimum of two
hours of overtime. The officer sometimes doesn't have to be there or they sit for many hours waiting for
their case. The adjudication process saves money for the city because no overtime is paid to the officers.
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The lieutenant who attends the hearing is salaried and the other personnel who attend adjust their hours so
there are no additional costs to the city. If a hearing officer is not available, the city loses fees and it
shows the police officers a lack of support. He felt that the process was working well so far.
Alderman Spears stated she was 100% behind the program but she was concerned with appointing a
second hearing officer at this time. Chief Martin explained that there is only one hearing officer at an
adjudication hearing so the city is only paying one attorney at a time and they are only paid as their
services are needed. It is the same pay if one attorney attends every hearing versus two attorneys
alternating their attendance. He reiterated that the only extra cost is for the training.
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Alderman Golinski stated he was leery of the program when he sees all the new ordinances on the agenda
for approval. He asked if the training cost $1,200.00 and Attorney Orr stated it was not that much. She
trains the attorneys on Tuesdays when she is at city hall anyway.
There was further discussion about hiring local attorneys versus outside attorneys. Alderman Spears
stated that it was discussed before the last appointment that it was best to appoint a local attorney but now
the route has changed. Mayor Burd was also asked if several candidates were interviewed. She stated
that only Ms. Darr, who was recommended by Alderman Werderich, was interviewed. She stated that she
read Ms. Darr's resume and then met with her. She felt she was qualified for the job and thought it best to
pick an attorney from outside the community.
Alderman Besco stated he understood Chief Martin's opinion and supported the appointment of Ms. Darr;
he liked her qualifications. He also agreed with Aldermen Spears and Golinski's reservation but he
foresees the process progressing.
Alderman Golinski read from the May 27, 2008 minutes where Alderman Werderich stated that the need
for two attorneys was never discussed. He stated he supported having one hearing office for the time
being.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -6 Nays -2
Allen -aye, Sutcliff-aye, Munns -aye, Spears -nay,
Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye, Golinski -nay, Besco -aye
Mayor Burd swore in Attorney Julie Darr as Hearing Officer.
Ordinance 2008- 92 Approving a First Amendment to the Lease of Unit D,
Fountain Village of Yorkville, United City of Yorkville, Kendall County, Illinois
(CC 2008 -81)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve an ordinance approving a First Amendment to the lease of
Unit D, Fountain Village, as presented, and authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute. So moved by
Alderman Besco; seconded by Alderman Plocher.
Alderman Allen clarified that this was for the rental of a unit needed for the Special Census staff and the
rent was a $1.00.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -6 Nays -0 Present -1
Besco -aye, Allen- present, Sutcliff -aye, Munns -aye, Spears -aye, Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye
*Alderman Golinski was not present for the vote.
Outstanding Billing for Representation of the United City of Yorkville
(CC 2008 -82)
Mayor Burd reported that this concerned a bill incurred over a year ago. She noted that the City Council
had received a letters from Attorney Kramer explaining the actions he took and from Attorney Roth
explaining Attorney Kramer's role.
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve payment of Kramer invoice in the amount of $3,835.70. So
moved by Alderman Sutcliff; seconded by Alderman Allen.
Alderman Besco noted that the City Council had already voted against paying this bill. He felt it was
against Robert's Rules to bring this matter up again. Attorney Orr stated that a motion to reconsider must
be made at the next immediate meeting. She stated that this had been taken off the bill list and there was
no specific vote on the bill. Alderman Besco stated that while he had no problem with Attorney Kramer's
work product, he did not feel he was hired to represent the city as no one had the authorization to hire him
to represent the city at that time. He felt that the person who hired him should be the one invoiced and
responsible for the bill.
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Alderman Besco made a motion to table the bill until the city could get a ruling from the State's Attorney
on the matter; seconded by Alderman Spears.
Attorney Orr stated that she did not believe the State's Attorney would make a decision in the matter as
he is not the appropriate entity to look to. The Attorney General renders opinion to representatives of the
General Assembly who request legal opinions. She did not know what other authority the Council could
consult. Alderman Besco noted that the Council has the ability to hire a legislative attorney and he
requested that this be done in order to get an opinion as to who is responsible for payment.
He withdrew his motion and made a motion to table the bill payment until the City Council gets an
opinion from a legislative attorney as to who is liable for the bill; seconded by Alderman Spears
Attorney Orr stated that it takes a minim of three aldermen to vote on the hiring of a legislative
attorney. She clarified that the only motion that Alderman Besco could make was to table the bill payment
and then he can follow up on subsequent action on another agenda.
Alderman Besco withdrew the motion; Alderman Spears withdrew her seconded. Alderman Besco made
a motion to table the bill payment until a date uncertain; seconded by Alderman Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -4 Nays -3 Abstain -1
Sutcliff -nay, Mums -nay, Spears -aye, Plocher- abstain,
Werderich -aye, Golinski -aye, Besco -aye, Allen -nay
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Mayor Burd started that she could vote on the matter and Attorney Orr clarified that when only four vote
in favor of a motion, the mayor is allowed to break the tie. Alderman Besco pointed out that it would be a
conflict for her to vote as she is directly involved. Attorney Orr clarified that the reality of the case is not
in regard as to who hired the attorney. She stated that Attorney Roth's opinion, according to his memo,
was that he advised the City Council he was going to use the work product of Attorney Kramer. Attorney
Roth was appointed by the City Council and he then utilized Attorney Kramer work product. She felt the
issue was not who hired who but the issue is that Attorney Roth hired Attorney Kramer instead of doing
the work himself.
Alderman Golinski stated that he read Attorney Roth's memo and he did not see anything stating he used
Attorney Kramer's work product. Attorney Roth's memo states that he agreed that Attorney Kramer's
billings were reasonable. Attorney Orr read from a letter dated February I' which states that at Attorney
Roth's recommendation and the Council's direction he deferred to Attorney Kramer in defending the
lawsuit. Alderman Gohnski stated that he had the wrong letter but still contended that the work product
was unauthorized. He stated that at the end of the May 8 th executive session minutes it shows that the
City Council agreed to do nothing. Attorney Roth stated he was going to sit in on the hearing in the place
of former City Attorney Wyeth because Alderman Plocher had retained Attorney Kramer on his own.
Alderman Besco stated that the initial invoice the City Council saw had Valerie Burd with no reference to
her being mayor - elect. Alderman Gohnski corrected Alderman Besco by stating that the original invoice
referenced Arden Plocher. Attorney Orr reiterated that the issue was the letter from Attorney Roth stating
he used Attorney Kramer.
Alderman Spears distributed information to the alderman which contained meeting notes from executive
session. Attorney Orr stated that if anyone cites from the executive session minutes it would result in the
minutes becoming an open and public document and she cautioned the alderman from making direct
quotes from the minutes unless they had concurrence from the entire Council. Alderman Golinski
advised Attorney Orr that the May 8 minutes were released. Clerk Milschewski confirmed they were
released prior to Attorney Orr's being retained as City Attorney.
Alderman Golinski stated that the bill was presented, discussed and voted on in open session. Attorney
Orr interjected that the bill was removed from the bill list. Alderman Golinski read from the minutes of
September 11, 2007 which state that a motion was made by Mayor Burd to approve the payment of
Attorney Kramer's bill and that the motion was defeated by a roll call vote. He questioned why it was
back on an agenda after it had already been denied.
Attorney Orr explained that the general rule of presenting a motion twice is limited to that session. She
stated that a session is from April to April and she felt that the item should remain until next April. She
stated that she was unaware of the September 11 vote. She noted that Attorney Kramer has re- invoiced
the city and that the memo from Attorney Roth creates a liability for the city because the use of Attorney
Kramer's work product was within his right as corporation counsel. If Attorney Kramer chooses to take
action, the liability issue would not be in the city's favor. Alderman Spears asked if Attorney Orr would
put her opinion, waiting until after the next election, in writing as it is very confusing.
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There was a brief discussion on what constitutes a session, Robert's Rules of Order, etc.
Alderman Munns clarified that the Council was not taking further action until April 2009.
Ordinance 2008 -93 Repealing Resolution No. 2006 -27,
United City of Yorkville Sponsorship Policy
(CC 2008 -83)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve an ordinance repealing Resolution 2006 -27, United City of
Yorkville Sponsorship Policy, as presented, and authorize the Mayor and City Clerk to execute. So
moved by Alderman Munns; seconded by Alderman Allen.
Alderman Spears noted that she has served on the Human Resource Commission for many years and feels
this problem arose when she requested a donation for the Honor Flight which the HRC supported. The
only problem HRC has had with sponsorships was when information about the Food Pantry was placed
on the city's water bills. She reported that Mayor Burd is working with other area mayors on a fund
raising event where each mayor will select a chanty of choice to benefit. She felt that this was a conflict;
the mayor could select a charity but the HRC could not. The rescinding of the resolution stops the HRC's
review of sponsorships which they have worked on for years. She stated that over the years worthy
organizations have received support. She noted that the city is spending funds for publications and
baubles. The account only has $1,500.00 for charities. She agreed with Alderman Golinski's earlier
statement about the necessity of city's newsletter and she questioned the cost for new resident packets and
funds being spent for the mayor to be in an organization made up of Kane County mayors. She was upset
that her request a donation to a group which honors WWII veteran's such as her father was not being
supported.
Mayor Burd clarified that that she is asking for donations for the fund raising event with other mayors
which will be used toward a foundation. The use of the funds would not be a City Council decision
because taxpayer's money is not being used. The Park Board approved the free use of a park by the
Chamber of Commerce which the HRC denied. She stated that many worthy recipients are asking for
donations; how does the city decide who to support. She noted that her father served in the military and
her daughter is currently serving her country. She felt that taxpayer dollars should not be used for
donations.
Alderman Besco felt that as a community certain sponsorships are necessary. If the resolution is repealed,
will the senior garbage rate be next? He felt it was silly to repeal the resolution because as little as the
donations are, they mean a lot to those who received them.
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Alderman Munns agreed with Mayor Burd; who decides who is worthy to get sponsorship. He felt it
would be fair to cut out the sponsorships because the city can't donate to everyone.
Alderman Werderich stated he supported the program and felt that the ordinance was not in compliance
with state statute. Attorney Orr explained that the statute limits what the funds can be used for and
excludes groups such as scouting organizations, veteran's, etc.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -5 Nays -3
Allen -aye, Sutcliff-aye, Munns -aye, Spears -nay,
Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye, Gohnski -nay, Besco -nay
Ordinance 2008 -94 Repealing 2004 Park and Recreation Master Plan and Adopting
New Park and Recreation Master Plan for the United City of Yorkville
(CC 2008 -84)
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to approve an ordinance repealing 2004 Park and Recreation Master
Plan and adopting new Park and Recreation Master Plan as presented, and authorize the Mayor and City
Clerk to execute. So moved by Alderman Allen; seconded by Alderman Golinski.
Alderman Spears noted that the new plan indentifies funds, land acquisitions and future park acreage.
She stated that if the funds for acquisition come from the Land Cash fund she did not have a problem with
them. She also inquired about the trail crossing at the Burlington Northern/Santa Fe railroad tracks at
Kennedy Road. She stated that residents have requested a berm between their homes and the railroad
tracks and it was discussed that a study for the crossing was too expensive. Director Miller stated that the
trail improvements and berming are based on the Grande Reserve subdivision build out and they are
currently on hold.
Alderman Spears noted that throughout the document it is mentioned that the city shall continue to
acquire property and she questioned if the funds for acquisition were in Land Cash and if not where were
the funds coming from. City Park Designed Laura Haake stated that the plan is there so new employees
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or Park Board members have a plan for acquisitions in the future. This is a planning tool; a working
document to help people understand the current system and plan for what can be. Director Mogle stated
that this plan is similar to the Comprehensive Plan with recommendations for things to aim for.
Alderman Spears questioned Section 3, page 3 -27 regarding the maintenance facility, traffic increases,
travel time for the employees, etc. She felt the concentration should be on a public safety site first. Ms.
Haake stated that this is a Park and Recreation plan only. The park maintenance facility and traffic were
not mentioned in the previous plan and it was felt these need to be addressed in the future.
Alderman Spears suggested that there be a disclaimer indicating that improvements are based on funds
being available.
Alderman Besco recommended staying away from asphalt and concrete on paths and suggested using
materials that can help recharge the aquifer. He stated he would like the wording changed to reflect this.
Director Mogle noted that materials other than asphalt are more expensive.
Alderman Sutcliff commented that this was a good planning tool to use when grants become available and
she was glad to see a plan on paper. Director Mogle noted that the plan will be looked at annually in
order to keep it up to date.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Sutcliff- -aye, Munns -aye, Spears -aye, Plocher -aye,
Werderich -aye, Golinski -aye, Besco -aye, Allen -aye
Metro West Council of Mayors
Mayor Burd reported that she is the new vice president of the Metro West Council of Mayors and will be
president in the future. She reported that the group consists of twenty -three communities who lobby and
get information from its members. The Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning (CMAP) gave a
presentation. They are keeping their eye on the state legislature so they don't change the membership of
CMAP. Metro West sent a letter to state legislators indicating that they support the state pollution act.
Break in Meeting
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to take a five minutes break. So moved by Alderman Werderich;
seconded by Alderman Sutcliff.
Motion approved by a viva voce vote.
The City Council took a break at 10:25 p.m. They resumed the meeting at 10:30 p.m.
CITY COUNCIL REPORT
No report.
ATTORNEY'S REPORT
No report.
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CITY CLERK'S REPORT
No report.
CITY TREASURER'S REPORT
No report.
CITY ADMINISTATOR'S REPORT
Administrator McLaughlin reported on the following:
• Repairs to the alley behind the Tuscan Plaza property should be completed by October 31, 2008.
• The Letter of Credit for the repairs on Van Emmon has been cal_ led.
• Kendall County has approved the Fox Road paving.
• He is working with the lender of the Rob Roy Creek Interceptor bonds to take a two year delay in
payment. An ordinance to start the process will be on the next agenda
FINANCE DIRECTOR'S REPORT,
Director Mika reported that a new accounting clerk has been hired and the audit should be wrapped up by
October 31, 2008.
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS REPORT
No report.
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CHIEF OF POLICE'S REPORT
Chief Martin reported that seventy individuals have signed up to participate in the Senior Police Academy
which is being held at the Historic Courthouse on October 29 beginning at 8:00 a.m.
DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION'S REPORT
Director Mogle reported that the Rec Center will be closed this weekend in order to have new carpeting
installed. Alderman Sutcliff noted that there were many in attendance at the Halloween Egg Hunt.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR REPORT
No report.
COMMUNITY RELATIONS OFFICER'S REPORT
No report.
COMMUNITY & LIAISON REPORT
Green Committee and Music Boosters
Alderman Allen reported that he attended the Green Committee meeting where they discussed
encouraging recycling especially multi- family residences and businesses. He also attended the Music
Boosters meeting where he got to see the new middle school. There was a good turn out and the facility
in nice.
Aurora Area Convention and Visitor Bureau
Alderman Golinski reported that he attended the Aurora Area Convention and Visitor Bureau meeting
where they elected new officers. Plano is now represented in the group and Kay Hatcher announced she
is leaving the board.
Ward I Meeting
Alderman Werderich reported that he and Alderman Allen held a Ward I meeting. Ten people attended
and they had a good discussion. He thanked the members of the Police Department that attended.
Dick's Sporting Goods Grand Opening
Alderman Besco reported that he attended the Dick's Sporting Goods Grand Opening. He stated that the
store is an asset to the community and a nice facility. Mayor Burd added that it was a nice ribbon cutting.
Alderman Spears stated that she was not aware of the ribbon cutting and asked why the City Council
wasn't notified. Mayor Burd stated that the store called and invited her and that the ribbon cutting was
not sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce. She apologized that the City Council wasn't notified.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE REPORT
Kendall County Stormwater Management Plan
(PW 2008 -130)
A motion was made by Alderman Besco to approve participating in the planning of the Kendall County
Stormwater Management Plan; seconded by Alderman Sutcliff.
Alderman Besco reported that this was brought before the Public Works Committee. The plan will
develop guidelines to be used county -wide. This is the city's opportunity to participate in developing the
rules.
Alderman Allen expressed his concern with the wording which indicates that the Kendall County Board
has the final word. He felt that this diluted the city's voice and he stated he was not pleased with the plan
or in giving away authority and that the plan makes him uncomfortable. Mayor Burd stated that the city is
not giving away authority rather it is being taken away by state statute.
Alderman Plocher noted that Kendall County has the right by state statute so the city might as well
participate in the plan.
Alderman Sutcliff stated that she spoke with Jeff Freeman of Engineering Enterprises, Inc. who explained
that this is state mandated so it would be better for the city to be at the table.
Alderman Besco noted that the city staff has done a remarkable job with stormwater management and can
contribute to the plan.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Munns -aye, Spears -aye, Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye,
Golinski -aye, Besco -aye, Allen -nay, Sutcliff- -aye
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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE REPORT
Ordinance 2008- 95 Adopting a Comprehensive Plan Update for the United City of Yorkville
(EDC 2008 -31)
A motion was made by Alderman Golinski to approve an ordinance adopting a Comprehensive Plan
Update, as amended, and authorize Mayor and City Clerk to execute' seconded by Alderman Spears.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -8 Nays -0
Spears -aye, Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye, Golinski -aye,
Besco -aye, Allen -nay, Sutcliff -aye, Munns -aye
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE REPORT
Code Amendment Ordinances (PS 2008 -46)
a. Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Cannabis
b. Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Retail Theft (Shoplifting)
c. Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Disorderly Conduct
d. Ordinance Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Advertising on Signs and Buildings
e. Ordinance Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Fireworks
f. Ordinance Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Possession of Paint or Marker with
Intent to Deface
g. Ordinance Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Removal of Graffiti
h. Ordinance Amending the Code of Ordinances Regarding Parental Responsibility
Alderman Spears stated that she had received many call, emails and letters regarding these ordinances.
She made a motion to send the code amendments back to committee; seconded by Alderman Besco.
Motion approved by a roll call vote. Ayes -7 Nays -1
Spears -aye, Plocher -aye, Werderich -aye, Gohnski -aye,
Besco -aye, Allen -aye, Sutcliff -nay, Munns -aye
ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE REPORT
No report.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
4 Seasons Landscaping
Alderman Spears stated she spoke with Fred Davis, the owner of 4 Seasons Landscaping, regarding his
fees. Mr. Davis has lived in Yorkville for thirty years and his family fauns in the community. He
donated time, supplies and labor for the food pantry. She apologized to Mr. Davis and 4 Seasons for a
previous discussion regarding his fees. Alderman Werderich stated that he was not saying that 4 Seasons
did anything illegal. He just wants the city to look outside the box when getting projects done.
Park Board Meeting
Alderman Allen stated that park names were discussed at the Park Board meeting. He encouraged
residents to get involved and name a park.
Election Information
Alderman Plocher noted that other communities are handing out election packets and asked if Yorkville
was. Clerk Milschewski stated that it was recommended by the Municipal Clerks of Illinois that clerks do
not distribute election packets but refer interested individuals to the Illinois State Board of Elections. Due
to the current climate of lawsuits, she has decided to follow the recommendation. There was a brief
discussion regarding this and it was determined to at least get the 2007 election results from the County
Clerk so candidates can determine the number of signatures they will need on their forms.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Burd entertained a motion to adjourn. So moved by Alderman Werderich; seconded by Alderman
Spears.
Motion unanimously approved by a viva voce vote.
Meeting adjourned at 10:55 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Jacque yn Milschewski,
City Clerk City of Yorkville, Illinois
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From: Kimberly Sullivan [kimis @comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:06 PM
To: val.burd @comcast.net
Subject: Objection to proposed parent responsibility ordinance
Hello -
I am sending the following letter to you and the members of the City Council list my objections to the
proposed parental responsibility ordinance that I understand is scheduled to be discussed at Tuesday's City
Council meeting. Unfortunately, I am unable to attend the meeting and speak out in person because of a prior
commitment. I hope you'll consider these points before a vote is held on this measure.
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When a child is caught doing something illegal, whether it's fighting or drinking or any number of other
activities, his or her parents have a great deal to worry about. Feelings of betrayal, anger, and mistrust
combine with fear about the child's health, future, and entry into the legal system. I was shocked to learn
that the City of Yorkville is now thinking about adding another concern to parents' already full plate.
According to the October 23 issue of the Record, the city is thinking about imposing fines on parents if their
children break the law.
This proposal offends me for a number of reasons. First of all, this is yet another example of government
trying to find a new way to increase taxes. This case is especially objectionable because the parents are
already hurting and possibly facing legal bills to help their child. Apparently Yorkville's Public Safety
Committee thought it would be a good idea to make money on families' hardships, since it proposed fines
ranging from $25 to $500 for the parent of a child who has broken the law.
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This proposal is also an insult to every parent in the city. It suggests that a child's misbehavior must be
his/her parents' fault, so the parents must be punished. This is ridiculous. As every parent knows, there's no
way to guarantee that children will behave themselves all the time. We can teach them right from wrong.
We can impose restrictions on where they can go, when, and with whom. But short of putting a leash on
them and keeping them with us 24 hours a day, kids will sometimes misbehave. This is even to be expected,
since research shows that their brains' capacity for reasoning isn't fully formed yet. And while we're at it,
how many of you did anything wrong when you were kids? Was it your parents' fault? Was it because they
didn't raise you properly?
An additional objection to this ordinance is what it would mean to the protection of a juvenile offender's
identity. If a parent is fined for his /her child's behavior, then there would have to be an adult criminal record
of some sort. That record would identify the juvenile and the charge against him/her. Since the criminal
record is in the parent's name, it would not be sealed the way a juvenile record must be. This means that an
interested party could learn about a person's juvenile criminal record years later, merely by searching his /her
parents' records.
I'm stunned that the City of Yorkville would ever consider using the misbehavior of children as a way to
raise money, humiliate parents, and compromise the secrecy of juvenile criminal records. Raising children is
difficult enough, without government making it harder.
Sincerely,
Kimberly L. Sullivan
503 Game Farm Road
Phone: 630 - 882 -8790
10/27/2008
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1 P R E S E N T:
2 MS. VALERIE BURD, Mayor;
3 MR. BOB ALLEN, Alderman;
4 MR. JOSEPH BESCO, Alderman;
5 MR. GARY GOLINSKI, Alderman;
6 MR. MARTY MUNNS, Alderman;
7 MR. ARDEN JOE PLOCHER, Alderman;
8 MS. ROSE ANN SPEARS, Alderwoman;
9 MS. ROBYN SUTCLIFF, Alderwoman;
10 MR. WALLY WERDERICH, Alderman.
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13 MR. BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN, City
14 Administrator;
15 MR. WILLIAM POWELL, City Treasurer;
16 MS. JACQUELYN MILSCHEWSKI, City Clerk.
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18 A P P E A R A N C E S:
19 BY: MS. KATHLEEN FIELD ORR,
20 appeared on behalf of the United
21 City of Yorkville, Illinois.
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07:24PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Okay. We have someone here
6 from Urness Land Company, petitioner, who has
7 filed an application with the United City of
8 Yorkville requesting annexation and rezoning from
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07:25PM 10 Mr. Kramer, are you the
11 representative?
12 MR. KRAMER: I am. Excuse me. For the
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14 petitioner, Star European Imports.
07:25PM 15 This property is the old Aubrey
16 playground equipment site on Route 34 east of
17 Route 47. It's about 2.3 acres. And they're
18 seeking to annex to the city. It's a good piece
19 of news for the city in that they're a high sales
07:25PM 20 tax generator, so we would expect that to be a
21 welcome addition to the City of Yorkville.
22 The property right now is out in the
23 county. It's served by well_ and septic, and we
24 anticipate hooking to municipal water and sewer.
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1 Also sometime down the road, and we're not quite
2 sure how quickly, there is an old hotel that's now
3 used for rental apartments that we would expect to
4 be knocked down and eventually another office or
07:26PM 5 retail building built on the site.
6 One of the older playground
7 buildings at the front was already taken down.
8 HRM Properties is remodeling the two existing
9 buildings at the site and expanding the service
07:26PM 10 area. So they're actually bringing their entire
11 sales, repair, and parts operation from Bristol
12 into the city.
13 So we're happy to answer any
14 comments. I know you have a very lengthy agenda
07:26PM 15 tonight, and we look forward to being a part of
16 the city at your next meeting.
17 MAYOR BURD: Is there anyone in the
18 audience who would like to comment on this
19 project?
07:26PM 20 Any member of the City Council have
21 any comments and questions?
22 Alderman Werderich.
23 MR. KRAMER: Mr. Werderich.
24 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: Can you just go
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1 over a little bit of what the site is expected --
2 how many -- or what's expected to be at the site,
3 how many buildings, what kind of --
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4 MR. KRAMER: Sure. If I'm not in your
07:27PM 5 way here, what they're doing is they're leaving
6 the primary structure that faces Route 34 to the
.� 7 north and they're filling in this corner of it for
8 a showroom that will be mostly glass. And then
9 HRM and Mason Oliver is here. They're building
07:27PM 10 bays in the back for the service department so
11 they will have all of their service there.
12 On weekends, I think probably you
13 folks have noticed a huge amount of cars there.
14 They're literally pretty well filling up their
07:27PM 15 parking places on Saturdays with people looking
16 for vehicles, either bringing them in for service
17 and so on. So they expect to be quite active
18 there.
19 They're keeping some pull -in parking
07:27PM 20 along the east line. They have parking here, and
21 then their employee parking is in the back.
22 The area that's in the front will be
23 all pavers. One of the staff comments that you
24 saw was it's a fairly impervious surface there
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1 now. We're getting rid of some of the older stuff
2 and putting in porous pavers so it will soak in
3 onsite, that sort of thing.
4 So right now it will just be the one
07:28PM 5 main building and then you've got the old existing
6 apartments down at the bottom. Ultimately we
7 think we could have another building in the back.
8 But, again, they don't have any identified user at
9 this point for anything, Wally. So that's kind of
07: 28PM 10 it .
11 MAYOR BURD: Alderman Besco.
12 ALDERMAN BESCO: Somewhere in this
13 agreement I saw something that the apartments will
14 be torn down 20 -- 120 days after the --
07:28PM 15 MR. KRAMER: That was in an earlier
16 draft and we had not committed to that. Right now
j 17 they're fully reno- -- the tenants, believe it or
18 not, even though they're incredibly old, are very
19 stable. The rental market, as most of you know,
07:28PM 20 is very tight in Yorkville. There hasn't been any
21 apartments other than the one next to Jewel built
22 for years. But we do anticipate those -- probably
23 a three- to five -year window -- to go.
24 MAYOR BURD: Any other comments or
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2 Thank you.
3 MR. KRAMER: Thank you very much for
4 your time and we'll see you next City Council
07:29PM 5 meeting. Thank you.
6 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Now we have a public
7 hearing on the Countryside Center Business
8 District.
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9 MR. DUBE: Well, we're here tonight
07:29PM 10 basically to formalize the agreement with the City
11 with regard to the Business District. The mayor
12 had asked that perhaps --
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07:30PM 15 MR. DUBE : Richard Dube. I'm here with
16 Hugh Robertson and also Tri -Land Properties.
17 So we looked -- perhaps the right
18 thing to do, the mayor asked if we would come in
19 tonight and give you an update as to where we
07:30PM 20 stand on Countryside Center, as a precursor, if
21 you will, to the Business District.
22 So the redevelopment agreement was
23 signed on or about August 12th and is effective
24 August 12th of '08.
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1 Concept plans were submitted with
2 the City and approved in accordance with the
3 agreement. The City has received and approved the
4 qualification report designating the property for
07:30PM 5 a Business District, which was worked inside the
6 agreement, and the budget for the project was also
7 submitted.
8 So as it relates to our conformance
9 to what we -- what the City Council agreed to do
07:30PM 10 on the 12th, we're in compliance with that piece.
11 With regard to the Route 47 road
12 plan, inside the agreement is also -- the City has
13 agreed to fund 50 percent of the improvements to
14 Route 47, which would be the stoplight in the
07:31PM 15 middle of the property and the appropriate right
16 turn and left turn lanes.
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19 August of 2006 on behalf of the first intersection
07:31PM 20 design study submitted to IDOT, and from that time
21 we have gone from February 7th we had the first
22 IDS resubmittal, July 7th of '07 we had the IDS
23 resubmittal for the second time, and on December
24 of '07 we had the third resubmittal of the IDS
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1 design study.
2 In February of '08 the IDS was
3 finally approved by the City -- by the State of
4 Illinois -- I'm sorry -- and we subsequently and
07:31PM 5 simultaneously then submitted the construction
6 plans. We had the development along with all the
7 IDS surveys in anticipation of an approval.
8 In June of '08 we had the first
9 engineering resubmittal, and in October of '08, a
07:32PM 10 week ago, we had the second resubmittal.
11 Now we anticipate those plans to be
12 done as quickly as possible. In the vernacular of
13 the state these days, that could be as long as the
14 end of December of 2008; although, Smith
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07:32PM 15 Engineering, who is doing those plans for us, has
16 agreed to take them in there and see if we can't
17 walk them through it.
18 The state clearly has, you know, a
19 lack of employees there that are doing what they
07:32PM 20 should be doing and so getting things done is
21 pretty difficult. We had thought we'd be approved
22 by this point.
23 The bottom line is, come December,
24 we expect approval. We will then go out and bid
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1 the ro'ect. The developer, Tri -Land Properties,
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2 has to come up with 50 percent of the funds to
3 build that road improvement and the TIF bonds, in
4 accordance with the redevelopment agreement, would
07:33PM 5 fund the other 50 percent, which, as you know, is
6 the only amount of money that the City has
7 approved to be spent on the redevelopment of the
8 property to this point.
9 We are committed by March of 2010 to
07:33PM 10 have 60,000 square feet of that project leased and
11 at that point another agreement that we build an
12 additional 25,000 square feet on the project.
13 Since August of 2008 we have not
14 made any progress with regard to that event. Now,
07:33PM 15 I don't think that's going to come as a surprise
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17 surprise to us. And so let me just reemphasize
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19 happening in this country, all of which we know.
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07:33PM 20 We have a housing crisis, we have a banking
21 crisis, and now we have a recession that we're all
22 facing. So we're all in the same position in that
23 regard.
24 I think there is some reasonably
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2 we've been at this for 30 years. It's not the
3 first time it's occurred to us. It probably won't
4 be the last time. And so you don't try to force
07:34PM 5 things as it relates to when you have a crisis
6 going on, but we come with the cooperation of the
7 City, which we truly appreciate, as we position
8 the property for development.
9 So the zoning is there. The traffic
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07:34PM 10 signals are approved and ready to go. The
11 development agreement is complete and the economic
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13 So between now and the end of
14 Christmas, you're not going to see a lot of
07:34PM 15 retailers do anything. What they're concentrating
16 on now is how are they going to make money by the
17 end of the year. And typically in any year, real
18 estate development is, they're not fueled by
19 retailers. At this time they focus on their
07:34PM 20 activities. But come January you'll see that -- I
21 don't think all the soothsayers out there can tell
22 us we're going to have the most horrible Christmas
23 we've ever seen. They're going to be exactly
24 right. I'm sure it won't be great, but it's never
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1 great. If you read old newspapers from the last
2 20 years, you never find a Christmas that anybody
3 is happy with. But we certainly don't think it's
4 as bad as everybody tells us it is. That's kind
5 of what we're getting compounded on because there
6 clearly is -- I was just talking to Travis Miller.
7 The Aldi store across the street from what would
8 be Countryside Center when it's built has
9 reactivated their position to rebuild a new store
07:35PM 10 on that piece of real estate. Keep in mind,
11 that's the same company that has a Trader Joe
12 brand of products.
13 So when you have a new development
14 like Aldi who is across the street from what would
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07:35PM 15 be a project that would attract a Trader Joe's,
16 there is a lot of synergy there where the company
17 obviously has a very successful store here in
18 Yorkville that's looking to keep that growth
19 moving.
07:35PM 20 So what we find as the good news is,
21 the City has helped us posture the property. When
22 the opportunity does arise, we have a lot of
23 credibility because we can show that development
24 is ready to go, and that's typically what
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1 motivates these retailers when the time comes to
2 move forward.
3 So with that, that's my brief, if
4 you will, outlook as to where we stand with the
07:36PM 5 project. We're committed to keep it moving, and
6 I'm happy to take any questions that any of the
7 Council members might have with regard to this
8 project.
9 MAYOR BURD: Do we have any questions?
07:36PM 10 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: So do I
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11 understand -- do I understand that there is no
12 real timeline since the -- you're going to get all
13 your ducks in a row ready to move and --
14 MR. DUBE: Well, the timeline that we
07 :36PM 15 have committed to the City, that the City has held
16 us to, is by 2010, we have to have 60,000 feet of
17 leases complete.
18 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: And that still
19 stands. Okay.
07:36PM 20 MR. DUBE: That gives us 18, 19 months.
21 And the point is that in a crisis environment,
22 this isn't the time to sit here and try and tell
23 you that -- all the things we can do. People have
24 really shut down as it relates to talking about
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1 this matter, but come after Christmas things will
2 look a lot different.
3 We have found as a company that we
4 are developing projects in Kansas City and in
07:37PM 5 Atlanta and in Minneapolis -St. Paul, not in growth
6 markets like Yorkville, but we have been
7 successful in building -- or in signing new loans
8 with banks in the last 90 days, both in Kansas
9 City as we speak now.
07:37PM 10 So we're not going to sit here and
11 tell you that everything is rosy at Tri -Land
12 Properties, but the point is that we really don't
13 think it's as horrible as we continue to read.
14 The growth market suffered more than the
07:37PM 15 established markets and that's what's happening
16 out here now. So we'll assess where we are in
17 January and we will keep the City apprised of our
18 progress or lack thereof and we'll continue to
19 push on getting it done. It's postured.
07:37PM 20 If anybody is going to move, they're
21 going to move when there is a piece of real estate
22 that's well positioned in a town like Yorkville
23 and ready to go. They're not going to be happy to
24 wait for six months or a year. I mean, we've been
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1 going through this replanning process for the
2 better part of 15 months. We've been attempting
3 to get a stoplight on 47 for almost two- and -a -half
4 years. So there is a lot of effort and work and
07:38PM 5 investment on our part also on that piece of real
6 estate. So --
7 ALDERWOMAN SUTCLIFF: Okay. Thank you.
8 MAYOR BURD: Any other questions?
9 MR. DUBE: Is there anything about the
o7:38PM 10 project -- I'm sure you all know what it looks
11 like. We have some renderings here. If there is
12 anything else we can add, I will be happy to do
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14 MAYOR BURD: Okay. Thank you.
07:38PM 15 MR. DUBE: Thank you.
16 MAYOR BURD: Item No. 3, Comprehensive
17 Plan.
18 MS. LUCIETTO: As most of you know, I'm
19 Anne Lucietto, and I'm the chair of the Yorkville
07:39PM 20 Planning Commission. We have a little
21 presentation to give you as a summary of all of
22 the work that we've done on developing the
23 Comprehensive Plan.
24 I don't think I need to tell you
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1 what the Comprehensive Plan does. I think most of
2 you know. We use it a lot in just about
3 everything that we do, all the projects that come
4 before us. We're constantly looking at the
07:39PM 5 Comprehensive Plan and what have you.
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6 I think most communities have found
7 it very valuable to take a good look at it every
8 three years or so because I think that's pretty
9 much a good average. Reason being things change,
07:40PM 10 conditions change, as the gentleman previous to me
11 was stating, and we had an opportunity to go ahead
12 and do it because the growth was starting to slow
13 down a little bit here. So our commissioners and
14 what have you were able to get together.
07:40PM 15 Basically what we did with that is
16 we tried to project the future needs and
17 conditions, and fortunately we were doing it in
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07:40PM 20 that in.
21 For us we feel it's a guide and a
22 vision for Yorkville for the next five or ten
23 years. And if you take a look at what's actually,
24 in the document there is some very clear things
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1 that need to be looked at, and there is a lot of
2 thought that went into this. And I think one of
3 the things that's very, very important with this
4 entire process that we went through is we did
07:40PM 5 involve a large number of people in the community,
6 different walks of life, folks who have businesses
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8 that had different ways of looking at things,
9 which I thought was important.
07 :41PM 10 We had some in -- early on, it was
11 kind of funny because I had people coming up to
12 me, Should we have him on here? And I'm like,
13 Yeah, why not? You know, because we have somebody
,! 14 who is looking at something a little bit
07:41PM 15 differently than maybe you might doesn't mean that
16 it's all that bad.
17 And it was kind of neat because as
18 we met every month and we were looking at this we
19 were looking at things differently and having some
07:41PM 20 very interesting discussions. So I just kind of
21 want to bring that to you because as I wandered
22 around the room and got involved in some of the
23 discussion groups, it was neat to hear the
24 different thoughts and some of the things that
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1 we're doing as we were getting there.
2 Basically they put in what's policy
3 decisions for the community. I'm not a hundred
4 percent sure what we mean by that, but the
07:41PM 5 Comprehensive Plan does that. We use it as our
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6 guide. So we'll go from there.
7 The process -- I don't want to
8 belabor this. I've gone in front of you a couple
9 times now. We started this in November of 2007,
07:42PM 10 and we incorporated two public open houses, which
11 were really neat because everybody from the
12 community was invited and we did get some
13 interested folks that came in and took a look at
14 it. A couple of them even came to me and said,
07:42PM 15 Gee, you know, I wanted to volunteer, but I didn't
16 have that kind of time; thanks for having this
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17 open house so I could come in and actually have
18 some input. So that was really good.
19 In July we took it in front of the
07:42PM 20 Planning Commission. We presented it just to make
21 sure that those that weren't able to make some of
22 our meetings were enlightened and knew what we
23 were doing. Then we moved it onto the Economic
24 Development Committee and that was reviewed twice
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1 now. We made a couple of changes that were made
2 along the way, which were absolutely great because
3 we were arguing about it and so they were able to
4 get those things sorted out for us.
07:42PM 5 Just as a recoup, it's sort of
6 interesting when you take a step back and you look
7 at that map. It is 75 square miles. It is not
8 the boundaries of the city, but it's the planning
9 area. And if you think it's -- on the north side
07:43PM 10 we're bounded by U.S. 30, and then on the south
11 side it goes all the way down to Helmar Road. And
12 then on the east side we have boundary agreements
13 basically at Grove Road, and then west Eldamain
14 Road and Highpoint Road. So that's a large amount
07:43PM 15 of real estate that we deal with there.
16 I'm going to have Stephanie come up
17 now and she is going to go ahead and they're going
18 to -- Stephanie and Travis are going to talk a
19 little bit about the different sections that we
07:43PM 20 hit as we were going through the process.
21 MS. BOETTCHER: As Anne mentioned, we
22 did have all sorts of walks of life on the Citizen
23 Advisory Committee, but they were all able to come
24 together and have some common threads and some
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1 common goals and those are some highlights that
2 I'm going to touch on right now.
3 The Goals and Objectives section is
4 part of two major sections. The second one is a
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07:44PM 5 land use plan which Travis is going to go through,
6 but the goals and objectives, they were drafted
7 through the discussion of the Citizen Advisory
8 Committee. So they had discussions during the
9 meetings. All those notes were taken from the
07:44PM 10 meetings. Goals or objectives were redacted from
11 that, and then the general language was brought
12 back from the committee for them to get consensus
13 on that, and then the goals -- then that language
14 was shown at the public meetings for public input,
07:44PM 15 from staff, from elected officials, from the Plan
16 Commission. So we had all different sorts of
17 walks of -- all different types of people looking
18 at it.
19 A new feature of this 2008
07:44PM 20 Comprehensive Plan is the addition of action
21 plans. An action plan is written for each
22 objective outlining how it can be achieved. This
23 feature is unique because it details specifically
24 how an objective is achieved on a step -by -step
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1 basis and who is going to be responsible for it
2 and how long it's going to take. It's not saying
3 that this is how you have to do it, but it gives
4 you some guidelines on how you can do it. This
07 :45PM 5 kind of takes a Comprehensive Plan one step
6 further to actually say how you can actually
7 implement the goals that are in the plan.
8 I would like to just highlight some
9 of the objectives that were actually voted on at
07:45PM 10 the June open house. The public had an
11 opportunity to kind of prioritize or vote on what
12 they felt was the most important out of the goals
13 and objectives in the Comprehensive Plan.
14 Six of the objectives were top
07:45PM 15 vote - getters and there was one in each of the four
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16 sections of the goals.
17 So the first is the natural
18 resources goals. Under the Preserve, Enhance
19 and /or Reestablish Existing Natural Areas, one of
07; 45PM 20 the main objectives out of those top six
21 vote - getters was to develop passive recreational
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23 public open space areas.
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2 percent came out of this section. The top
3 vote - getter came out of the support multi -modal
4 transportation, and that top vote - getter objective
07:46PM 5 is to encourage the development of a commuter rail
6 station along the Metra BNSF Railroad line and /or
7 the reconstruction of a trolley line per the 2005
8 Downtown Vision Plan along the Illinois railway
9 incorporated railroad line.
07:46PM 10 Now, on the -- another of the top
11 six objectives under the support multi -modal
12 transportation was to include bike paths and
13 trails and street development to provide linkages
14 throughout the community which kind of mimics the
07:46PM 15 natural resource goal mentioned previously.
16 Finally, the third one out of this
17 section of the sub -plan came out of the upgrade
18 and maintain the transportation -- encourage
19 development to utilize and improve existing
07:47PM 20 infrastructure where appropriate, and that was to
21 maintain a street hierarchy to preserve the small
22 town character.
23 There is one community facilities
24 goal and out of the -- there is four objectives in
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1 this particular section, and one of those
2 objectives was a top -- the top six vote - getter,
3 and that was to encourage the development of
4 multiuse and /or a shared facility to maximize the
07:47PM 5 efficiency of each municipal building.
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6 And finally out of the land use
7 goals, an objective under the encourage high
8 quality, distinct and creative development which
9 reinforces and unifies the identity of Yorkville.
07:47PM 10 The objective was to encourage commercial
11 development in the form of nodes around
12 intersections and not strip development along
13 roadways in order to limit access onto arterial
14 roads to ease traffic congestion and for aesthetic
07:47PM 15 considerations.
16 And I think that objective kind of
17 wraps up my portion of the presentation because it
18 goes right into Travis' portion about the land use
19 plan and how he dealt with commercial nodes.
07:48PM 20 So --
21 MR. MILLER: The next series of slides
22 takes -- will take you through the future land use
23 map component of the Comprehensive Plan which is
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1 through in the Comprehensive Plan first. But
2 before I go through the specifics, I just want to
3 explain that the sequence of the plan as drafted
4 and the series of events that the Plan Commission
07:48PM 5 and Advisory Committee went through was by design,
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7 and consideration of goals and drafts and then
8 stepping into infrastructure, community
9 facilities, and then ultimately into land use
07:48PM 10 helped create the land use map.
11 We had an informed group of
12 citizens. By the time we reached the land use
13 portion everyone was informed on the current
14 status of the infrastructure in town, what the
07:48PM 15 future plans are for expansion, for water
16 infrastructure, sewer infrastructure, the
17 topography, the natural resources that were
18 identified as important to those goals had been
19 drafted, had been articulated into draft form. In
07:49PM 20 fact, by the time we got to the land use portion
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21 of the land use workshop, we had already gone
22 through one of the open houses that Anne had
23 mentioned. So we had some input from the
24 community on those draft goals making sure that we
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1 were on the right track with those goals. I just
2 wanted to point out that.
3 And then secondly the action plans
4 that Stephanie mentioned. I'm sure as you leaf
07:49PM 5 through this plan, one of the -- probably the most
6 striking difference between this update and what
7 the current Comprehensive Plan includes is the
8 inclusion of the action plan. Rather than
9 stopping short with just goals and maybe some
07:49PM 10 simple objectives, this plan takes it further.
11 You know, there is a step -by -step approach. You
12 know, the timing is going to -- the timeline is
13 going to change. We're going to vary on each of
14 these action plans. This is a living document.
07:49PM 15 But to have a step -by -step approach, an action
16 plan that identifies the stakeholders, the
17 parties, you know, those responsible for achieving
18 the goals I think is a critical part of this plan
19 and something that the staff, I know we're proud
07 :50PM 20 of and the Planning Commission was proud to
21 introduce in this update.
22 So the exciting part, we'll be able
23 to hopefully see this plan in action, you know, to
24 give us a measuring tool on those action plans as
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1 far as what's being accompl;_shed and keeping the
2 updates -- the updated plan alive.
3 With that, I'm going to walk through
4 the land use map. There is five components of the
07:50PM 5 land use map, basically five classifications,
6 general classifications of land use types. We'll
7 start with residential. There are four defined
8 future land uses under the residential
9 classification. The top of the list is rural
07:50PM 10 residential. This is an addition, a recommended
11 addition. This is not in the current
12 Comprehensive Plan. The current Comprehensive
13 Plan does include the other three, estate,
14 suburban, and traditional residential.
07 :50PM 15 My discussion at the Advisory
16 Committee level, looking particularly in the
17 southern portions of the planning area, a
18 discussion that estate neighborhood probably is
19 too dense for some of those areas. The goal is to
07:51PM 20 keep the rural character. To try to achieve that
21 we need to think about a new definition. So the
22 rural neighborhood definition was created and the
23 area that's sort of with the oval, this is the
24 southeastern portion of the planning area is where
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1 you'll find that designation applied to the map.
2 Estate neighborhood. Again,
3 southern part of the planning area, south of the
4 river on each side of Route 47, which is right at
07:51PM 5 the center of the map.
6 Suburban neighborhood. Probably one
7 of the most consistent future land use
8 recommendations with the current Comprehensive
9 Plan. The areas north of the river are pretty
07:51PM 10 well - defined, in terms of area that's been annexed
11 and development plans have been approved for
12 residential uses based on the densities and
13 consistent with the definition of the suburban
14 neighborhood definition.
07:51PM 15 Traditional residential would be
16 those residential areas found in the downtown or
17 as well as the neighborhoods in Bristol or the
18 community of Bristol on the north part of the
19 planning area.
07:52PM 20 Jump into commercial next. We have
21 two classifications. General commercial, which is
22 consistent with the current Comprehensive Plan.
23 Those areas are shown in red, and you'll find
24 those predominately along the 47 corridor, the 34
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1 corridor, as well as the -- down to the south the
2 proposed Prairie Parkway alignment here. So the
3 area where 47 and Prairie Parkway would intersect
4 would be the future interchange as proposed for
07:52PM 5 commercial.
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7 area. It's going to be harder to see on the
8 slide, but those are the less intense areas for
9 commercial, but identified nodes where primary
07:52PM 10 roads or collector roads intersect. So
11 opportunities for a neighborhood convenient store
12 or commercial amenities that would serve just the
13 immediate surrounding residential uses. So
14 those -- and those are spread out, disbursed
07:53PM 15 throughout the planning area.
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18 have a couple of areas. One would be the true
19 industrial. Those are the purple areas. This is
07:53PM 20 the existing corridor where the railroad crosses
21 47, where F.E. Wheaton, Wrigley are located. That
22 area is in the current Comprehensive Plan as
23 designated for that use. That's what led to the
24 development patterns that you see there. This
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1 plan recommends continuing that, enhancing that
2 area as a node. This identifies the Eldamain Road
3 corridor and actually takes -- the recommendation
4 would be to expand upon the industrial uses that
07 :53PM 5 have already been identified or proposed in that
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6 area, but encourage in the land use map all the
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7 way up to Galena Road. And then thirdly --
8 actually, thirdly, this would be surrounding the
9 existing Fox Industrial Park. And then this area
07:54PM 10 identifies an opportunity for industrial uses at
11 the 71 interchange with the proposed Prairie
12 Parkway.
13 Second classification on the map
14 would be the office and research areas. Again,
07:54PM 15 there is a blend of classifications here;
16 actually, a straight pattern on the future land
17 use map that blends office research and industrial
18 in the area that I just spoke of, 71 and the
19 future Prairie Parkway. It also identifies an
07:54PM 20 area between the Eldamain Road corridor and the 34
21 corridor for that type of use and then a blend of
22 commercial and office and research at the
23 intersection of Prairie Parkway and 47 just to
24 offer flexibility in that territory. That's
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2 the farthest reaches obviously of the lannin
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4 horizon for development. So incorporating some
07:54PM 5 flexibility was thought to be important.
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6 The last item is the -- the next to
7 the last item I believe is the mixed use areas.
8 These are shown in gray. So basically the current
9 Comprehensive Plan identifies transitional
07:55PM 10 neighborhood or transitional uses. This takes it
11 a step further. It includes and actually has
12 language in the definition for mixed use that
13 encourages less intense transitions, introduces
14 the notion of open space transitions.
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07:55PM 15 When we talk about transitional lots
16 between commercial and residential, we think town
17 homes or something of higher- density residential,
18 less intense than the commercial uses. This takes
19 it a step further and incorporates the open space
07:55PM 20 concept into the idea of transitioning from one
21 use to the other.
22 Finally the map shows public /quasi
23 public areas and park and open space areas. I'll
24 start with the public /quasi public. This would be
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1 your school locations identified on the school
.2 citing map or in combination with group plans that
3 do show school dedications for future facilities.
4 It shows the existing facilities in town, as well
07:56PM 5 as the library and City Hall.
6 Parks and open space follow the --
7 this is basically directly from the natural
8 resources inventory and the maps that are earlier
9 in the Comprehensive Plan. A lot of this
07:56PM 10 information comes right from the Protect Kendall
11 Now process or plan that was worked on by the
12 community and surrounding communities and the
13 county a couple of years ago.
14 So with that, that's a quick
07:56PM 15 overview of the future land use map.
16 The last slide here is the
17 mechanical action. And there was another agenda
18 item under the economic development portion of the
19 agenda, so we won't go there, but if there is any
07:56PM 20 questions that I or staff can answer, we can poll
21 the Advisory Committee members that are here with
22 us tonight participating in the process. So with
23 that we can answer any questions.
24 MAYOR BURD: Are there any questions?
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1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I just have several
2 comments. The time frame, beginning things in two
3 months or possibly three months, that was okay
4 probably a couple of years ago when you first
07:57PM 5 started the Comprehensive Plan. However, with our
6 budget currently being a shortfall and then it
7 seems like on a monthly basis we learn that, you
8 know, we're getting deeper in the hole, I just
9 think that everybody should be aware that
07:57PM 10 throughout this document it says hire, possibly,
11 consultants, but we're in no position to have
12 studies or consultants at this time. And in one
13 area it said add additional staff, and that would
14 be great if our budget was the way it was a few
07:57PM 15 years ago.
16 I would like to suggest rather than
17 trying to follow this time frame right now that we
18 maybe readjust this in six months or so and
19 hopefully we would be better..
07:58PM 20 And also I'm reading in one area,
21 action plan for implementation, and on page 63,
22 6C, draft referendum for increased tax for
23 municipal facility construction. I don't think
24 that I would ever be in favor for increasing any
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1 kind of tax. I realize that may be on a
2 referendum, but I would hate to hear or see our
3 residents say, well, great, you know what, now
4 they're going to raise our taxes for a building,
07:58PM 5 and, I mean, that just -- I don't "know. I hate to
6 sound like McCain and Obama at this time and say,
7 I'm not raising taxes, but I would do my best not
8 to raise taxes.
9 And then if we go to page 69, item
07:58PM 10 3, it says, Use Comprehensive Plan as a stricter
11 guideline on land use decisions, particularly and
12 in regards to projects which are not compliant
13 with the Comprehensive Plan. And I know
14 recently -- I'm interpreting this as recently the
07:59PM 15 Plan Commission did recommend something and the
16 Council voted unanimously in a different direction
17 on how to use the particular land that was
18 presented to us, and I know that that is --
19 actually, it ruffled some feathers, and that was
07:59PM 20 just -- they are an Advisory Committee and we do
21 our research as well and we do take their comments
22 to heart, but, however, it was unanimous. The
23 Council didn't agree, and that is something that I
24 would like to remove from the entire document.
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1 And that would be page 69, Item 3.
2 And we also have something on
3 historical preservation, and I think that's great.
4 However, most of the historical facilities in
08:OOPM 5 Yorkville that we are trying to preserve -- there
6 are many people that would like to have them
7 preserved -- are county buildings, and I'm just so
8 tired of fighting with our county and having
9 lawsuits and either way money is coming out of our
08:OOPM 10 pockets. So I don't think that we should
11 personally have any kind of preservation
12 ordinance, the City of Yorkville. I think that
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13 that should be something county -wide. And I think
14 then that would represent all the municipalities
08:OOPM 15 in the county. And that's my comment. It was
16 great.
17 MAYOR BURD: There is a county -wide
18 preservation ordinance already in place, but the
19 county doesn't have jurisdiction in the city, so
08:OOPM 20 that would cause a problem. And there are
21 actually historic areas of the city -- there is
22 only one building that I'm aware of that the
23 county owns, but there are quite a few homes that
24 are historic. So would you like to respond to
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2 MR. MILLER: Yeah, actually there was
3 four items that I noted on your questions, so if I
4 could, I would like to attempt to address those
08:01PM 5 and then I may turn to staff or Anne for
6 (inaudible).
7 The first issue that you raised is
8 the action plan. We did push the envelope there
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9 in suggesting a timeline. Of all of the
08:01PM 10 information on the action plan, I would say that
11 the timeline would be the least critical. The
12 main objective of the action plans all along were
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14 not leaving the goal, it's just a goal statement
08:01PM 15 or some lofty broad statement that isn't feasible
16 or how can we achieve that. You're right, things
17 are changing in the economy day by day, and we all
18 know that it's the goal and the purpose of the
19 Comprehensive Plan is to control and try to
08:01PM 20 correct that is to look long range understanding
21 that the market cycles. But you're absolutely
22 right, we'll go through and look at a two -month
23 time frame, a three -month time frame. Some of
24 that is not as realistic as what appeared a couple
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1 months ago when it was initially drafted. But,
2 again, that column of the action plan would be
3 the -- in terms of from initiation to completion
4 isn't the purpose of the action plan. That isn't
08:02PM 5 what that's trying to communicate. If anything,
6 that communicates an interval of time it would
7 take to complete that plan, assuming that the
8 understanding was in place, assuming that, you
9 know, the political realm and the direction from
08:02PM 10 City Council was given from staff to take those
11 steps.
12 So in some sense I would say the
13 timelines are important, that maybe it takes three
14 months for a certain step to occur or six months
08:02PM 15 for another step to occur. I think that's
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17 starting time, an ending time is not the -- was
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21 just so the reader would further emphasize that
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23 solution to that concern. Did that answer that
24 question?
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1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: It did. Give me a
2 solution for the budget, though; we'd all like
3 that.
4 MR. MILLER: The second issue that you
08:03PM 5 raise is a specific one to an action plan that
6 referred to a referendum or a tax increase, and I
7 don't -- I can refer to that specific line, but
8 rather than doing that, I think the answer to your
9 question, they were -- these action plans include
08:03PM 10 alternatives. Maybe not each step in the action
11 plan will be deemed appropriate by the City
12 Council when we get to that point in the action
13 plan, but it was thought important to include all
14 options in the action plan so that you have a
08:03PM 15 document that was well thought out, and you can
16 rule things out, bring things to the surface, and
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17 this may be a step that isn't appropriate. So if
18 the will isn't there, the timing isn't right, it's
19 not appropriate for the community, and of course
08:03PM 20 in this plan we wouldn't suggest you take a plan
21 that's not appropriate. This action plan is just
22 recognizing it as a potential step. And, again,
23 without going to that specific statement that's --
24 there is probably more than one action plan in
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1 which that type of step was recommended. So I
2 would couch all of those under the same
3 explanation that I just gave you and maybe a
4 disclaimer or a note added to that step would be
08:04PM 5 appropriate so that, again, to the reader there is
6 not a misinterpretation, you know, a risk of a
7 misinterpretation down the road of what was
8 intended by the document when it was drafted.
9 The third item was a very specific
08:04PM 10 one. I think you mentioned regarding stricter
11 enforcement of the Comprehensive Plan. I can
12 assure you that this was not a reaction to the
13 public hearing a few months back. In fact, this
14 was drafted several months back. So when this was
08:04PM 15 drafted was well before that specific item. So,
16 you know, I'm comfortable for speaking for the
17 Planning Commission that that was not a reaction
18 to that.
19 What I recall from the input of the
08:04PM 20 Advisory Committee and the Plan Commission was a
21 concern that the current Comprehensive Plan
22 includes as an appendix a whole series of design
23 guidelines, recommendations for appearance code
24 type guidelines that sometimes aren't adhered to.
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1 There is a gap between this goal, this lofty idea
2 and what's being built when we see a development
3 occurring in Yorkville, and there was a lot of
4 discussion I recall from multiple workshops, from
08:05PM 5 multiple members of the Advisory Committee that we
6 need to tie that together. There needs to be --
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7 you know, if we're going to make these
8 recommendations in a Comprehensive Plan, we want
9 to have a higher architectural standard, a higher
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08:05PM 10 quality of development in town, we need to
11 translate that into the bricks and mortar that go
12 up and somewhere we're sort of losing that. So
13 that was the spirit behind that language. I'd
14 noted that, and I'm sure Stephanie noted the page
08:05PM 15 number and item. I think it causes us to go back
16 and look at the language again just to make sure
17 that that language and that interpretation of that
18 spirit is what's coming through because that was
19 the intention.
08:05PM 20 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: If you could reword
21 it similar to what you just stated, that would be
22 fine, in my opinion.
23 MR. MILLER: I'll have to go back to the
24 tape to --
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1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Or close to it.
2 MR. MILLER: And then the last item, I
3 think the preservation is what the mayor touched
4 on. I know this action -- this action plan
08:06PM 5 includes, from what I recall, and Stephanie can
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6 jump in here, she is probably more tuned into it
7 than I am at this point, but I remember the -- we
8 currently don't have an inventory county -wide. Is
9 that a county responsibility? Maybe. Is there
08:06PM 10 other agencies that would be responsible for that?
11 Maybe. But, you know, given that we're looking at
12 75 square miles of planning area to identify it as
13 a City goal was deemed by this group to be
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14 important to look at within our planning area and
08:06PM 15 to inventory those cultural resources and those
16 historic elements regardless of ownership.
17 You know, the majority of those
18 could be private ownership, it could be public
19 ownership. That wasn't -- that wasn't the
08:06PM 20 objective as much as identifying those properties
21 or those structures with historic relevance so
22 that we have some science behind making decisions
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23 on what's important to preserve or enhance and
24 maybe what isn't as important to preserve and
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1 enhance.
2 Right now it's a very subjective
3 thing without having the inventory, having the
4 science behind it. So I know that was one of the
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08:07PM 5 keys in that action plan, and there is probably
6 other -- I know it was an important action plan.
7 There was a lot of discussion behind that.
8 MAYOR BURD: You say we don't have a
9 county -wide inventory. I think that there is one
08:07PM 10 personally. I think Stephanie Todd was involved
11 in putting something together and they do have a
12 county -wide preservation commission. So I think
13 there may be a rudimentary list, but not a
14 detailed list certainly for Yorkville. So --
08:07PM 15 MR. MILLER: I believe that's a fair
16 statement, as far as getting -- it's not as if we
17 would be starting from scratch, but taking the
18 information that's prepared and bringing it to a
19 level that you can base decisions on to the extent
08:08PM 20 that you can.
21 I believe that document was probably
22 somewhat dated by now with all of the development
23 activity that's happened in Yorkville and Kendall
24 County.
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1 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: There was one more
2 thing --
3 MR. MILLER: Sure.
4 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: -- that I wanted to
08:08PM 5 add that I just saw highlighted. Regarding a
6 grant rider, the City already has a contract with
7 the grant rider. So -- and I believe that this
8 firm is capable; if you present something to the
9 firm, they will research and try to work on the
08:08PM 10 grants with the City.
11 MR. MILLER: Yes, that's my
12 understanding, too. Is there a statement in there
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13 that --
14 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: There is several
08:08PM 15 that said, you know, possibly obtain a grant
16 rider. Well, we already have access to a grant
17 rider.
18 MR. MILLER: That step's done.
19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Yeah. And then --
08:08PM 20 oh, again, as far as hiring new personnel, which
21 would be very difficult at this time --
22 MR. MILLER: Understood.
23 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: -- with the slowdown
24 in the market, and the staff, I'm sure, is maybe
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1 experiencing somewhat of a slowdown to bringing
2 maybe more to a normal type pace rather than a
3 fast pace. I think that rather than hiring, you
4 know, in many areas it says hire out or will staff
08:09PM 5 do it inhouse, and I would try to recommend that
6 staff do as much inhouse as they could.
7 MR. MILLER: Thank you.
8 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And that's all I
9 have.
08:09PM 10 MAYOR BURD: I have a quick question.
11 Alderman Besco; is that okay?
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12 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah.
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13 MAYOR BURD: Based on some of the
14 comments Alderman Spears has made, I'm wondering,
08:09PM 15 is it possible -- are we going to adopt this
16 Comprehensive Plan? That's the goal; right?
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17 MR. MILLER: Yes, that's the
18 recommendation.
19 MAYOR BURD: Can't we adopt the plan
08:09PM 20 itself and then not adopt the recommendations,
21 because I get the feeling that the idea -- there
22 is a fear here that if we adopt the whole thing as
23 presented, we are adopting this plan, these
24 recommendations, then we are saying, okay, we're
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1 going to do this. And I see these recommendations
2 as being outside the Comprehensive Plan. Do you
3 see what I'm saying? That, you know, we adopt the
4 Comprehensive Plan and we understand that you have
08:loPM 5 these recommendations that accompany the plan, but
6 we are not going to adopt -- I don't feel
7 comfortable adopting recommendations, for
8 instance, on us hiring new people because we're
9 not going to do that. And that if we adopt that
08:1OPM 10 that then indicates that, yes, we are going to do
11 that.
12 So it's one thing that we recognize
13 these as, you know, suggestions that we take under
14 consideration, but I don't see us as approving
08:loPM 15 these as, yes, we're going to do this. And I
16 think that's what Alderman Spears was objecting to
17 because that ties our hands then.
18 MR. MILLER: Sure. And that's not the
19 intention. That's not the intention. I'm
08:loPM 20 wondering, though, before I answer, preface, I'll
21 go back to my original comment on the uniqueness
22 of the action plan. The action plans are
23 important to the Comprehensive Plan to be able to
24 measure success, to be able to report back
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1 quarterly or how -- whatever the time period is
2 that is deemed appropriate, definitely at least
3 once a year, if not a couple of times or
4 quarterly, to determine how many action plans are
08:11PM 5 being implemented, where we are with things. So
6 it gives us that measuring -- the ability to
7 measure, that measuring tool.
8 The action plans need to be
9 initiated. So they would be separate projects.
08:11PM 10 By approving the Comprehensive Plan, it isn't the
11 intention to initiate all of these action plans.
12 It's to, you know, set them up as the steps
13 necessary to achieve the goals, and then those
14 would be initiated similar to any separate
08 :11PM 15 proj ect . The grade of transportation plan as an
16 example. That's a process where we --
17 MAYOR BURD: Travis, can I just toss in
18 there really quick? I don't want to get into a
19 big argument about this, but what I'm thinking of
08:11PM 20 is, I would recommend if we're going to do that
21 and adopt all of these plans that we would have to
22 go through this with a fine -tooth comb and every
23 one of these we would have to approve as a City
24 Council An d it seems to me like this would be a
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1 very tedious process because it's one thing for
2 this group to have spent months and months coming
3 up with this, but we as a City Council have not
4 torn this thing apart and gone through it and
08:12PM 5 said, yeah, we can adopt this, we can espouse
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6 these as our action plans, which is a, you know,
7 whole other concept here. So these right now come
8 to us as recommendations.
9 MR. MILLER: Uh -huh.
08:12PM 10 MAYOR BURD: And what you're asking the
11 City Council to do is adopt them as, yes, we're
12 taking this on as wholeheartedly our goals and
13 objectives and our action plans. So I don't know.
14 I think what I'm hearing is, I don't know if
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08:12PM 15 that's what the City Council is prepared to do
16 now.
17 Alderman Besco.
18 ALDERMAN BESCO: Yeah. The one question
19 I had, Travis, is at one point the EDC had a
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08:12PM 20 meeting, a joint meeting with Plattville, and I
21 know it was discussed at that time and it seemed
22 very popular with the people from Plattville and
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23 some of the people from Yorkville as well, was a
24 broader estate -type zoning, like an agricultural
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1 estate, and they were very receptive to that as we
2 got closer to that. So did the Advisory Committee
3 or the Planning Commission, did anybody expunge on
4 that and apply that when it was --
08:13PM 5 MR. MILLER: The rural residential would
6 be the closest. The definition for rural
7 residential in the southeast part of the planning
8 area would be the closest to that discussion, but
9 that -- I recall in the joint meeting with
08:13PM 10 Plattville the Economic Development Committee
11 talked about things such as land use. It also
12 talked about strategies for infrastructure and
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13 certain infrastructure in that area. So there is
14 a lot more complexity to a land plan and an
08:13PM 15 infrastructure plan and a strategy plan that's
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16 necessary for that part of our planning area. So
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17 that really becomes a separate segment plan or a
18 sector plan, if you will, that would be beyond the
19 Comprehensive Plan.
08:14PM 20 The Comprehensive Plan would be the
21 broad vision. That would be another document or a
22 series of documents, or there may be other areas,
23 likely are other areas of the planning area where
24 we get to that level of detail.
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1 To answer your question, no, not
2 beyond the rural residential, the introduction of
3 the rural residential classification.
4 ALDERMAN BESCO: I just thought that
08:14PM 5 that would be a good component for the Comp. Plan
6 because when we did talk to them -- Anne, you were
7 there --
8 MS. LUCIETTO: Uh -huh.
9 ALDERMAN BESCO: -- it was almost kind
08:14PM 10 of like we were kind of forming an alliance with
11 them and to keep that area in an agricultural
12 sense and I thought to discuss some kind of
13 agricultural estates or something like that would
14 have been a really good addition to the Comp.
08:14PM 15 Plan.
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16 MS. LUCIETTO: That's kind of what we
17 did with that highest zoning classification that
18 we came up with. I think we had talked about
19 agriculture, and that's one of the things that I
08:15PM 20 remembered, and when we were talking about it, we
21 just didn't -- the contrast was made with
22 Plattville, and Plattville doesn't have the
23 infrastructure to support it and we felt that we
24 could. But if you look -- I'm just looking real
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1 quick here to see. The rural neighborhood was
2 less than half a unit per acre. So, I mean, it
3 could be anything then. You know, you could have
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4 20 acres and have one house on it and you would
08:15PM 5 still qualify for that rural neighborhood.
6 I did -- you know, I'd like to make
. 7 a proposition because the Planning Commission I
8 think would really -- we really need this tool,
9 and I don't know if Travis is going to agree with
08:15PM 10 me. He's probably going to get me out in the
11 parking lot.
12 One of the things that I'm thinking
13 of is with the recommendations, we made those all
14 prior to June, and we all know what has happened
08:15PM 15 since June. And so I guess the thought that I
16 have is: Can we -- even though it's part of the
17 document, it is a recommendation, and, you know,
18 if you guys could actually approve the
19 Comprehensive Plan so that we can use it and move
08:16PM 20 forward with it, one of the things that we
21 constantly -- we were talking about in the groups
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22 as we were working on this is, and what have you,
23 is that it's actually a living document. Okay?
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24 So as far as the recommendations go,
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1 I think that's something that we do need to table,
2 and it's something that, you know, we can go back
3 and review as a Planning Commission and say, okay,
4 there are four things here that are actually
08:16PM 5 coming up now and they're pertinent to what we're
6 doing, so let's look and see what we recommended
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7 and see if they're still reasonable. I think
8 that's the point we need to be at. And then we
9 have the tools to work with and then we can
08:16PM 10 continue to move forward.
11 And, again, let's say we do find it
12 necessary to implement an agricultural
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13 classification. That's something that we can add
14 as p art of this living ocument. And I've
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08 ;16PM 15 always -- I've been involved with the
16 Comprehensive Plan since 1990 or something like
17 that, and I've always wanted to see it act more as
18 a living document so that we can change it and
19 make it applicable to what's going on in our area
08:16PM 20 and the things that we see and basically to adapt
21 and do things the right way for the city.
22 So, Travis --
23 MAYOR BURD: I like your recommendation.
24 MS. LUCIETTO: -- is that reasonable?
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1 MAYOR BURD: Is that all right? Would
2 you be able to adopt it without the
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3 recommendations?
4 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: As long as there is
08:17PM 5 no recommendations attached.
6 MS. LUCIETTO: Right.
7 MR. MILLER: That would be the action
8 plan component?
9 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Right; right, any of
08:17PM 10 the action plans, I would be okay with that.
11 MS. LUCIETTO: Now, would you be
12 agreeable to us reviewing it in, let's say, six
13 months, look at what's going on outside and say,
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14 hey, maybe these three things we should be looking
08:17PM 15 at?
16 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Actually, I did have
-� 17 that written down.
18 MS. LUCIETTO: Okay.
19 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: Bring it back in six
08:17PM 20 months. Let us review it.
21 MS. LUCIETTO: I think that's reasonable
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22 given the situation because I don't think any of
23 us can say what's going to happen in two weeks.
24 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And there are some
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1 items, I'm sure, in the action plan that would
2 already be accomplished within the six months and
3 that would be fantastic --
4 MS. LUCIETTO: Right.
08:17PM 5 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: -- to see that. But
6 as far as, you know, quite a bit that's listed in
7 here, it's not attainable at this time.
8 MS. LUCIETTO: Oh, heavens no. No, no,
9 no. That's why I started looking at the dates
08:18PM 10 because our last pubic hearing was in June. So it
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11 was a while ago. And things have changed
12 dramatically.
13 MAYOR BURD: And I think the City
14 Council would need more time to go through these
08:18PM 15 action plans to be able to adopt them as their own
16 action plans.
17 MS. LUCIETTO: Right. And so if we come
18 back and say, hey, let's look at these items, I
19 think that then that --
08:18PM 20 MAYOR BURD: Little by little would be
21 much easier to digest.
22 MS. LUCIETTO: Yeah, yeah. I think
23 that's really the way to go. And this took a lot
24 of work to do this, so --
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1 MAYOR BURD: Okay, Very good.
2 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: I just would like to
3 thank the Plan Commission, as well as all the
4 people in the Advisory Committee. They did a
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08:18PM 5 wonderful job.
6 MS. LUCIETTO: Yeah, they did.
7 ALDERWOMAN SPEARS: And They really -- I
8 know they expended a lot of hours. I read all of
9 my packets that came through and all of the notes,
08:18PM 10 and I sincerely appreciate all the efforts on
11 everybody involved and I think that they have
12 created -- including our staff, created what I
13 foresee as a wonderful community.
14 MS. LUCIETTO: Very good.
08:19PM 15 MAYOR BURD: Thank you very much.
16 Anybody else wish to make any
17 comments?
18 ALDERMAN ALLEN: Your Honor, I would
19 really like to share that, again, like what
08:19PM 20 Alderman Spears said, I had some comments, but I
21 appreciate the committee looking into it and I
22 think they were followed up on. So, I mean, it's
23 good to see that kind of healthy interaction.
24 MAYOR BURD: Mr. Gilson, would you like
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1 to come up to the --
2 MR. GILSON: No, I'm okay. I just have
3 a couple questions.
4 MAYOR BURD: Would you state your name.
08:19PM 5 MR. GILSON: Oh, I'm sorry. George
6 Gilson, resident.
7 I just had a couple questions. You
8 mentioned one thing before that I wanted to see
9 addressed a little bit. You said the EDC upon
08:19PM 10 review changed a few things. What were those
11 things they changed?
12 MS. LUCIETTO: Well, the one in
13 particular was the Metra station, and that's the
14 one that we as a group had a number of
08:19PM 15 discussions, and it was funny, we had four or five
16 tables and everybody had their own idea about what
17 to do. So we definitely appreciate the input from
18 that group. And what they did is they -- if you
19 take a look then -- we have a neighborhood retail
08:20PM 20 around it as opposed to some of the other plans
21 that we had put together. A couple of'the plans
22 called for just plopping a railroad station in and
23 not -- you know, just doing single- family homes.
24 A couple of them had more of a high- density use
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1 closer to it, you know, and I just think that we
2 kind of let that one flow. And neighborhood
3 retail seems like it was a good -- a good
4 compromise between all of the different
08:20PM 5 possibilities that came up.
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6 MR. MILLER: Mixed use was added up in
7 that area as well just to add to the flexibility.
8 MS. LUCIETTO: Right, and those are the
9 two things that I know of off the top of my head.
08:20PM 10 MR. GILSON: So those are the two
11 things?
12 MS. LUCIETTO: Correct.
13 MR. GILSON: A couple other concerns or
14 questions or comments. Office research off of
08:20PM 15 Route 71, if you take a look where it meets the
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16 Prairie Parkway, that node right there, yeah, and
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17 the node down where it meets Prairie Parkway down
18 there, those originally, the way I recall it, was
19 office research /commercial, and you had mentioned,
08:20PM 20 Travis, throwing industrial in there. That wasn't
21 what we agreed upon when we were discussing that
22 in the Comprehensive Planning Committee, the
23 Advisory Committee. It was supposed to be
24 commercial /office research, not industrial.
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1 MR. MILLER: Did I misstate that or was
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2 that correct? It's my understanding that --
3 MS. BOETTCHER: It is a mixed use, yeah.
4 I think through similar discussions it was thought
08:21PM 5 that that was a proper location to have more
6 intense uses, and that would fall under the
7 industrial category and the -- choosing one
8 location, not having it at both locations was
9 appropriate, and Route 71 and Prairie Parkway was
08:21PM 10 chosen, but I believe that was in some discussions
11 that --
12 MR. GILSON: My recollection is we were
13 going to keep most of the industrial in the
14 northern part up where the industrial is located
08:21PM 15 at the top up here and we weren't going to put --
16 MS. LUCIETTO: George, I think -- yeah,
- 17 just to clarify, I think some of the discussion
18 was that -- with regard to that was what was
19 actually included in the industrial
08:22PM 20 classification, and it isn't always what we
21 picture as industrial.
22 MR. GILSON: Yeah, but I think that's
23 leaving it with a lot of ambiguity. I don't think
24 that's what we agreed upon on the Comprehensive
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1 Advisory Committee. I think we agreed upon that
2 being commercial /office research, not industrial
3 at all.
4 MS. LUCIETTO: Okay.
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08:22PM 5 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: I recall
6 discussions to the contrary, and I remember that
'i 7 the inclusion of the area around the parkway was
8 said to be something that would -- usually first
9 that is equivalent to other areas around major
08:22PM 10 thoroughfares where developments have moved up
11 because of proximity and location to
12 transportation.
ii 13 The area up north, I think there is
14 an issue, and that is that parts of the area I
08:22PM 15 think that are M1 or industrial zone are not
16 necessarily in the Yorkville school district
17 either. I believe they might be within the city
18 boundaries, but they could be Plano schools, if
19 I'm not mistaken.
08:23PM 20 And to that extent the property
21 taxes, which in an M1 area, an industrial area as
22 opposed to a retail area, the property taxes would
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24 not be going to Yorkville schools. That would be
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1 within the city confines of Yorkville but we're
2 talking about the Eldamain area out there near
3 Corneils Road. There is a significant portion
4 that's Plano schools that's east of Eldamain Road.
08:23PM 5 So the notion that that was not a
6 potential M1, I think -- I call it M1. I don't
7 know if there is another zoning classification,
8 but I think the idea was to try to include -- at
9 least in the group that I was in, I remember the
08:23PM 10 discussion that we need that kind of a thing and
11 that because that was the logical -- or an example
12 that had been set in places numerous, like
13 Rochelle or wherever you see these transportation
14 hubs and the development around them and the jobs
08:23PM 15 that follow, that that was, I think, what I heard
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16 in the committee or the group that I was in.
17 MR. GILSON: I tend to -- I tend to
18 disagree with that. I tend to think from the
19 consensus standpoint, not just in a group, that we
08:24PM 20 did not agree upon that. We agreed to keep it
21 industrial up in the northern part of town and we
22 agreed to have both of those nodes
23 commercial /office research.
24 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Am I
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1 missing something? That's what the --
2 MAYOR BURD: You need to be recognized
3 and you need to state your name for the record,
4 and could we please not have debates but make
08:24PM 5 statements or ask questions.
6 Are you done.
7 MR. GILSON: No, I have a few more.
8 MAYOR BURD: You still have the floor.
9 MR. GILSON: Can you go over again,
08:24PM 10 Travis, the mixed use on that map?
11 MR. MILLER: Yeah. Let me go back.
12 MR. GILSON: I missed it originally when
13 we were talking. I was writing something else
14 down.
08:24PM 15 MR. MILLER: This -- you know, the
16 circles roughly show the areas, but basically all
17 the areas that are in gray on the future land use
18 map. So --
19 MR. GILSON: We're using that as what we
08:24PM 20 originally discussed, as transitional?
21 MR. MILLER: Well, this includes --
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23 The mixed use incorporates residential as well as
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1 opportunities. There is a significant opportunity
! 2 with the Aux Sable Creek and the 47 corridor to
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3- incorporate all those transitional uses.
4 So at one point in the draft there
08:25PM 5 were multiple transitional uses, and pretty late
6 into the process a recommendation was made, you
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7 know, coming out of one of the last public input
8 sessions, public open houses, to blend those
9 recommendations into one to simplify the map to
08:25PM 10 allow for some flexibility to future development
11 patterns, and then hand in hand with that the area
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12 that was originally shown for transitional was
13 shrunk. So the gray areas you see here, what was
14 refined on this map, was as a shrinkage of what
08:25PM 15 was originally shown.
16 MR. GILSON: That's fine. Thank you.
17 And then a couple other comments.
18 One, I do agree with Rose in the fact that that
19 action plan, the way I understand, we are going to
08:25PM 20 remove that action plan because those times have
21 changed, and I also tend to agree with the fact
22 that in the times that this is about to face, as
23 far as financially, we can't do some of the things
24 that we were proposed -- that were presented in
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1 that plan, like hiring staff, consulting firms,
2 you know, raising taxes for municipal buildings.
3 All those sort of things are going to be removed
4 before we adopt it; is that the way I understand
08:26PM 5 that?
6 MAYOR BURD: Absolutely.
7 MR. GILSON: And then the last comment
8 is: It would be nice to see -- in the past I
9 think the City has gotten themselves in trouble by
08:26PM 10 not following this Comprehensive Plan, and we
11 talked about that in the group, Travis. It would
12 be nice to see the City actually follow that Comp.
13 Plan instead of jumping out of it to accommodate
14 developers that want to change it, and that's just
08:26PM 15 a general comment that I think we need to see
16 happen. That's something that I think the City
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17 Council needs to concentrate on.
18 MAYOR BURD: I would just like to
19 caution the audience, and I may be mishearing, but
08:27PM 20 the City Council has the right to make changes.
21 This is a recommending document coming to us as a
22 City Council, and by adopting it the City Council
23 will be voting on -- each one of the aldermen will
24 be making a decision whether or not they agree
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1 with this, and they have the right to change it at
2 any time or amend it, and I just want everybody to
3 be aware of that. I don't want you to feel
4 betrayed or anything if it's not exactly the
08:27PM 5 document that you presented to the City Council,
6 because as it goes through the process, the
7 City -- the aldermen have been working on a lot of
8 agreements and they have, I think, a good
9 understanding of, after many years of service on
08:27PM 10 the City Council, of the kinds of things that
11 developers will be coming in and asking for and
12 the kind of things we'll have to deal with as far
13 as revenue problems. And so I think that with a
14 more global vision that they will be making some
08:28PM 15 changes.
16 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER:_ Mayor
17 Burd, with all due respect --
18 MAYOR BURD: No, you do not get to
19 interrupt me.
08:28PM 20 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Oh, okay.
21 MAYOR BURD: Would you like to make a
22 comment? No. Yes, sir.
23 MR. GILMORE: Tom Gilmore.
24 MAYOR BURD: You were next.
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1 MR. GILMORE: Actually, just some of the
2 problems that we're going through are literally
3 not the City's fault and we understand that.
4 We're going to cross into some territory that has
( 08:28PM 5 not been seen since the 1930's, and it's going to
6 be a very long time before you see anything
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7 approaching the development like we have seen in
8 the recent past.
9 But the few things -- if I can just
08:28PM 10 suggest three things that seem to be a consensus
11 in every committee that we talked about was
12 minimizing, kaputs high - density zoning.
13 Another thing is nonstop strip malls
14 up and down every single highway, and we tried to
08:29PM 15 accommodate those and transition out of these
16 things to more of the kind of community that
17 people wanted to move to Yorkville for in the
18 first place. Once it's all gone -- and you only
19 get one chance at this. Once the building is
08:29PM 20 done, it's too late. The higher the density is
21 the more you have infrastructure in the city and
22 you have to pay for it. That won't go away.
23 I've spent the day walking around
24 campaigning northeast of town here and it's scary
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1 the sight that I've seen, the houses that are
2 vacant, winterized, signs on them, houses for
3 sale. There are a lot of them, and this is going
4 to get worse. No matter what they do, it's going
08:30PM 5 to change the whole dynamic unfortunately of
6 everything that I thought we had worked on through
7 this plan here unfortunately.
8 So obviously there is going to have
9 to be some accommodations here for some of the
08:30PM 10 wish list items that seem to be throughout the
11 plan, and we understand that. But those are some
12 things that the community at large really are
13 anticipating seeing. Thank you.
14 MAYOR BURD: Sir, did you wish to make a
08:30PM 15 comment?
16 MR. KENNY: Yes. My name is Bob Kenny.
17 I represent Sexton Development and I understand
18 this is a Comprehensive Plan discussion and not a
19 site plan discussion. My only concern is in
08:30PM 20 reading the document, and specifically the
21 statement that Alderman Spears mentioned about the
22 more stricter enforcement of it, when I look at
23 the designation for our property, it has the
24 suburban neighborhood and mixed use on it. So the
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1 suburban is, I think, a 1.5 to 2.25 density and
2 ours is higher than that, and we raised this issue
3 at the Economic Development Committee meeting and
4 at that level they indicated that they thought our
08:31PM 5 plan still complied because we do have a lot of
6 off -site infrastructure items that are
7 contemplated with a higher density in that
8 designation.
9 But because of the language that
08:31PM 10 Alderman Spears mentioned about more strict
11 compliance, I'm only coming just to make sure that
12 the Concept Plan that we've been working on for
13 the last year- and -a -half, it still exists and we
14 don't want to be coming to you and saying, here is
08:31PM 15 our Concept Plan and having you say, last month we
16 changed the Comprehensive Plan. So I assume we're
17 all on the same --
18 MAYOR BURD: I don't think that was what
19 Alderman Spears said. She said, in fact, just the
08:32PM 20 opposite, that she wanted more leeway for the City
21 Council --
22 MR. KENNY: Yes. No, I appreciated that
23 comment. Exactly. I just meant when I read it
24 and then I look at it the most -- shall we say, in
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1 my legal mind, what's the worst that can happen.
2 If I read the language that was in there that she
3 mentioned and I read the specific densities, then
4 I could see us coming to you with the Concept Plan
08:32PM 5 that we've had before you and having somebody
6 having a problem. I just want to kind of put that
7 out there because that Concept Plan --
8 MAYOR BURD: Right, we discussed that at
9 the development committee meeting and we were very
08:32PM 10 comfortable with the idea that your plan basically
11 complies with it.
12 MR. KENNY: Okay. I don't need to take
13 any more time. Thank you.
14 MAYOR BURD: I think that the City
08:32PM 15 Council (inaudible) --
16 MR. KENNY: Thank you.
17 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: This
18 isn't meant to be argumentative. My point being I
19 think we got the Citizens Advisory Committee and
08:33PM 20 put it all together and did all the work because
21 we wanted to give this city a face. We wanted to
22 see it grow in a way that if all those factions
23 got together, we wanted to see it grow. My point
24 being that if the City Council jumps outside of
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1 that Comprehensive Plan and doesn't follow it as
2 closely as they can, it's null and void, we really
3 have done no work, because if you're going to jump
4 out and not try to follow it, you've really
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08:33PM 5 changed -- you're going to make the city
6 (inaudible) based on what the City Council feels
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7 and not the general consensus of what we've done.
8 MAYOR BURD: Well, my comment to you,
9 what I was trying to say to you is, these
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08:33PM 10 amendments to the Comprehensive Plan that you have
11 seen and questioned, that's exactly what the City
12 Council is doing is molding it into a document
13 that the City Council believes it can work with.
14 So --
08:33PM 15 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: But you
16 had mentioned --
17 MAYOR BURD: What I'm trying to say is:
18 Please don't feel offended by the changes that
19 have already been made, and I think by the time we
08:33PM 20 vote to approve it that it will be the City
21 Council document based on your recommendations and
22 based on the input from the aldermen so that they
23 feel that this is their document that they can
24 live up -- they can live with.
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1 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Okay.
2 Because maybe I got confused with what you said
3 because I thought you said don't feel betrayed if
4 we jump outside of this document.
08:34PM 5 MAYOR BURD: No, I didn't use the words
6 "jump outside of this document ".
7 UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE MEMBER: Well,
8 that's the way I interpreted it. Maybe I
9 interpreted it incorrectly, but my point being is
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08:34PM 10 City Council should try to follow that as closely
11 as possible, and that's kind of what -- by jumping
12 outside because we -- not what you guys have done,
13 not the council up there, but some councils in the
14 past have done. They have gotten ourselves in --
08:34PM 15 not in trouble but changed the face of the city
16 based on the way they want to see it and not the
17 way we want to see it grow.
18 MAYOR BURD: Well, that's representative
19 of government though. If you don't like the
08:34PM 20 people who's representing you, then you vote them
21 out. They're representing the people who elected
22 them. That's their role.
23 So are there any comments from the
24 City Council that you would -- yes, sir.
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1 ALDERMAN MUNNS: I'd just want to add,
2 I'm glad to see we're understanding that the Comp.
3 Plan is like a business plan or a marketing plan
4 where the day after you write it it could be
08:35PM 5 changed the next day. So just because -- you
6 know, can appreciate, again, what I heard. They
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7 all said they ought to be put in on it, but
8 tomorrow the economy changes, whatever changes,
9 you have to be prepared to -- I'm not saying
08:35PM 10 change the whole document, but there are pieces in
11 there that are going to be thrown out the next
12 day. And as far as economics, I mean, that's
13 going to kind of determine everything, how the
14 economy comes back, when it comes back. If an
08:35PM 15 industrial park wants to go there or there or
16 there and it fits all the, you know, decent things
17 that we want in an industrial park, it's going to
18 go there; because that's where the developer wants
19 to go, we're going to put it there. Everybody
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08:35PM 20 wants industrial parks to go to somebody else's
21 house. Everybody is fine with putting it up north
22 on Eldamain and Faxon and Corneils, but some of us
.; 23 live up that way. So of course I want it south;
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24 you guys want it north. It has to go where a
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1 developer and the City can make it fit right. So,
2 again, economics will pay a large part in --
3 MR. GILMORE: That was due to a --
4 MAYOR BURD: You are out of order, sir.
08:36PM 5 ALDERMAN MUNNS: I sat here patiently
6 for about an hour - and -a -half. But, again --
7 MAYOR BURD: No.
8 ALDERMAN MUNNS: -- as long as we look
9 at the Comp. Plan as a working document that we
08:36PM 10 can agree on the parameters to start with, but
11 understanding if we change our votes tomorrow,
12 it's not because we discounted all the work you
13 did. There is other projects that happen in town.
14 Like Alderwoman Spears said, it was a unanimous
08:36PM 15 vote that the Council thought this was a good
16 project and just because the Plan Commission
17 didn't doesn't mean that, you know, we should be
18 fighting and arguing saying, hey, you know, it's
19 our prerogative to vote that way. We represent X
08:36PM 20 amount of residents and we have to vote our
21 conscience and what's right for the city.
22 MAYOR BURD: Any other aldermen wish to
23 make a comment?
24 No?
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1 ALDERMAN WERDERICH: I just would like
2 to say thanks to everybody who put in the effort
3 to make this document. I appreciate the hard
4 work.
08:36PM 5 MAYOR BURD: Hard work and a lot of
6 effort. So we will now go out of public hearing
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10 aforesaid.
11 I further certify that my
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13 transcript and copies thereof, signed and
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18:24, 19:23, 24:1, 25:7, 26:12, contemplated 41:24 days [3] - 6:14, 10:1, 69:18, 70:1
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31:21, 33:20, 28:22, 30:9, 31:9, continue [3] - 72:2 deal [2] - 19:15, 61:14, 62:11
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[1] - 36:5 50:16, 55:22, 57 :6 county-wide [5] 69:16 11:11, 11:18,
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[1] - 36:6 64:18, 65:16, 48:21 40:8, 41:9, 41:12 61:24 22:5, 22:13,
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community [13] - 55:4 convenient [1] - 28:18, 31:13, 40:22, 41:19 27:11, 28:24,
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It] - 57:10 67:21, 67:23, 65:3 35:8 expended [t] - 8:21, 9:2
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25:6 71:3 69:12, 70:2 - 13:21 experiencing [1] 10:12, 13:16
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36:20, 38:4 draft [5] - 6:16, elements It] - evaluation It] - 23:4, 32:23 45:22
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26:15, 26:18, 13:20,15:9, 30:13 example [2] - 54:23 54:15
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53:13 21:15, 21:21 groups [2] - hereto [1] - 18:17, 21:10, Imports [1] -
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5:22, 18:8, 18:19 global [1] - 68:12, 69:24 21 :8 30:20, 39:1, 56:19
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69:20 intersection [2) jumping [z] - land [23] - 20:5, line (6] - 5:20, 53:14, 54:12,
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38:19, 54:17, issues Ill - 5:19, 26:1 52:10, 60:7, 61:7, logical [i] - 29:17, 30:22,
60:7, 67:22 16:18 Kendall (z] - 65:13, 65:15 58:11 31:2, 31:15,
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53:15, 53:24, met [1] - 17:18 32:7 52:22, 53:6, never [3] - 20:22, 20:24,
54:4, 59:2, 59:8, Metra [2] - 22:6, months (16] - 53:14, 54:12, 11:24, 12:2, 22:4, 23:7, 23:10,
61:6, 61:18, 54:13 13:20,14:24, 55:8, 55:12, 56:3, 36:18 23:16, 35:12,
62:18, 62:21, middle [i] - 8:15 15:2, 32:3, 32:18, 56:16, 57:4 new [7] - 12:9, 40:20
62:24, 64:14, might [3] - 13:7, 36:1, 36:14, multi [z] - 22:3, 12:13, 14:7, Objectives [t] -
65:18, 66:8, 17:15, 57:17 38:13, 38:14, 22:11 20:19, 26:21, 20:3
66:14, 67:8, miles [2] - 19:7, 46:2, 51:13, multi -modal [z] 42:20, 44:8 objectives [l 11 -
67:17, 68:5, 40:12 51:20, 52:2 - 22:3, 22:11 news [3] - 3:19, 20:6, 20:10, 21:9,
68:18, 70:4, 70 : 7 , M[Iler[l] - 12:6 mortar Ill - multiple [3] - 11:1, 12:20 21:13, 21:14,
70:22, 71:5 MILLER [21] - 39:11 39:4, 39:5, 60:5 newspapers [1] 21:20,22:11,
mayor [3] - 7:11, 23:21, 35:2, 37:4, most [l t] - 6:19, multiuse [l] - - 12:1 22:24, 23:2,
_ 7:18, 40:3 39:23, 40:2, 11:22, 15:18, 23:4 next ['121- 4:16, 25:10, 46:13
Mayor [2] - 2:2, 41:15, 42:3, 16:1, 16:6, 21:12, municipal [4] - 6:21, 7:4, 16:22, obtain p] -
62:16 42:11, 42:18, 25:5, 27:7, 34:4, 3:24, 23:5, 32:23, 21:24, 23:21, 42:15
McCain [t] - 42:22, 43:7, 56:13, 65:24 61:2 27:20, 28:16, obviously [3] -
33:6 43:17, 44:18, mostly p] - 5:8 municipalities 30:6, 62:24, 69:5, 12:17, 30:2, 64:8
McLAUGHLIN 46:9, 47:5, 51:7, motivates [i] - [1) - 34:14 69:11 occur [2] -
[1] - 2:13 55:6, 56:1, 59:11, 13:1 MUNNS [4] - nice [2] - 61:8, 36:14, 36:15
mean [a] - 59:15, 59:21 move [7] - 13:2, 2:6, 69:1, 70:5, 61:12 occurred [i] -
14:24, 17:15, MILSCHEWSKI 13:13,14:20, 70:8 node [3] - 29:2, 11:3
18:4, 33:5.49:2, p] - 2:16 14:21, 49:19, 55:16,55:17 occurrences [l]
53:22,69:12, mimics [1] - 50:10, 63:17 N nodes [4] - -10:18
70:17 22:14 moved [z] - 23:11, 23:19, occurring [1] -
meant [2] - mind [2] - 12:10, 18:23, 57:10 28:9, 58:22 39:3
65:23, 66:18 66:1 moving [2] - name [4] - 7:14, nonstop [l] - October [2] -
measure [z] - minimizing p] - 12:19,13:5 54:4, 59:3, 64:16 63:13 1:12,9:9
44:24, 45:7 63:12 MR [60] - 2:3, natural [5] - normal [l ] - 43:2 OF [3] - 1:5,
21:17, 22:15,
measuring [3] - Minneapolis [1] 2:4, 2:5, 2:6, 2:7, north [�] - 5:7, 1:10, 72:1
25:24, 45:6, 45:7 24:6, Natural 19:9, 27:9, 27:18, off -site [�] - 65:6
31:7
- 14:5 2:10, 2:13, 2:15,
mechanical [1] - Minneapolis -St 3:12, 4:23, 5:4, Natural [�] - 57:13,69:21, offended [l] -
31:17 [1] - 14:5 6:15, 7:3, 7:9, 21:19 69:24 67:18
MEETING p] - mishearing [1] - 7:15, 13:14, near p - 58:2 northeast [1] - offer [i] - 29:24
1:4 61:19 13:20, 15:9, neat [3] - 17:17, 63:24 Office [i ] - 55:14
meeting [s] - misinterpretati 15:15,23:21, 17:23,18:11 northern [2] - office [71- 4:4,
1:10, 4:16, 7:5, on [2] - 38:6, 38:7 35:2, 37:4, 39:23, necessarily [t] - 56:14, 58:21 29:14,29:17,
46:20, 47:9, 65:3, missed [1] - 40:2, 41:15,42:3, 57:16 note p] - 38:4 29:22,55:19,
66:9,71:12 59;12 42:11, 42:18, necessary [3] - noted [3] - 35:3, 59:24
meetings [4] - missing p] - 42:22, 43:7, 45:13, 47:16, 39:14 officials [1] -
18:22, 20:9, 43:17, 44:18, 50:12
59;1 notes [3] - 20:9, 20:15
20:10, 20:14 misstate [1] - 46:9, 47:5, 51:7, need [15] - 53:9, 72:9 old [5] - 3:15,
meets [2] - 56:1 54:2, 54:5, 55:6, 15:24,17:1, noticed [l] - 4:2, 6:5, 6:18,
55:15, 55:17 55:10, 55:13, 26:21, 39:6,
- mistaken [1] - 39:10, 45:8, 49:8, 5:13 12:1
member [i] - 57:19 56:1, 56:12, notion [2] - older [z] - 4:6,
4:20 mixed [6] - 30:7, 56:22, 58:17, 50:1, 50:8, 52:14, 30:14, 58:5 6:1
MEMBER [a] - 30:12, 56:31 59:7, 59:9, 59:11, 58:10, 59:2, 59:3, November [z] - Oliver [t] - 5:9
57:5, 58:24, 59:10, 59:23, 59:12, 59:15, 61:15, 66:12 18:9, 72:18 once p] - 45:3
62:16, 62:20, 64:24 59:19, 59:21, needs [3] - null [1] - 67:2 Once [z] - 63:18,
66:17,67:15, Mixed p] - 55:6 60:16, 61:7, 16:16,39:6, number [3] - 63:19
68:1, 68:7 62 63:1, 61:17
modal [z] - 22:3, 17:5, 39:15, One [s] - 4:6,
members [3] 64:16, 65:22, Neighborhood
[ ] - 22:11 54:14 5:23,7:13,28:18,
13:7,31:21, 39:5 molding [1] - 66:12,66:16, [ - 28 :6 numerous [11- 49:12, 60:18
mentioned [l 11 - 70:3 neighborhood
67:12 58:12 one [43] - 6:4,
19:21, 22 moment [�] - MS [26] - 2:2, [12] - 26:18, 6:21, 8:18,17:2,
24:23, 25:4, 7:13 2:8,2:9, 2:16, 26:22, 27:2, 27:6, O 20:4,21:5,21:15,
38:10,54:8, money [3] - 2:19, 15:18, 27:14,28:11, 21:19,22:16,
55:19,64:21, 19:21, 48:8, 30:10, 49:1, 49:5,
10:6, 11:16, 34:9 22:23, 23:1,
65:10, 66:3, month [4] - 48:16,50:24, 54:19, 55:2, Obama p] - 33:6 24:22, 25:5, 27:6,
9 [ 1-
67:16
51:6, 51:11, 64:24 objecting 30:1, 30:20,
' 17:18, 35:22,
merely [1] - 35:23, 65:15 51:18,51:21, neighborhoods 44:16 32:12, 32:20,
59:22 monthly [t] - 52:4, 52:8, 52:17, p] - 27:17 objective [s] - 34:22, 37:5,
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37:24, 38:10, 54:16 patterns [21- 43:23, 44:5, 46:20, 46:22, precursor [11-
41:4, 41:9, 42:1, ownership [3] - 28:24, 60:11 44:22, 45:15, 47:10, 48:22 7:20
44:12, 45:23, 40:16, 40:18, Paul [11- 14:5 47:14, 47:15, playground 121- predominately
46:1, 46:18, 40:19 pavers [2] - 47:17, 47:18, 3:16, 4:6 ry] - 27:24
46:19, 48:19, owns (1] - 34:23 5:23, 6:2 51:8, 52:1, 60:19, Pledge [11- 3:1 preface [1] -
49:4, 49:20, 54:8, pay [2] - 63:22, 60:20, 61:1, 64:7, PLOCHER [11- 44:20
54:12, 54:14, P 70 :2 64:11, 64:19, 2:7 prepared [3] -
55:2, 56:7, 60:4, People (11- 65:5, 66:10, 69:3 plopping [11- 41:18, 46:15,
60:7, 60:9, 61:23, 13:23 Plan [561- 15:17, 54:22 69:9
63:19 p.m [1] - 1:13 people [131- 15:23,16:1, 16:5, pockets [1] - prerogative [1] -
onsite [t] - 6:3 pace 12] - 43:2, 5:15, 17:5, 17:7, 18:5, 20:15, 34:10 70:19
open [111- 43:3 17:11, 20:17, 20:20, 21:5, point [15] - 6:9, present [1] -
18:10,18:17, p ackets [11-
34:6, 44:8, 46:22, 21:13, 22:8, 9:22, 10:8,10:11, 42:8
21:10, 21:23, 53:9 46:23, 53:4, 23:23, 24:1, 24:4, 13:21, 14:12, presentation 121
24:22, 30:14, Page [41- 32:21, 63:17, 68:20, 25:7, 26:12, 25:2, 37:12, 40:7, - 15:21, 23:17
30:19, 30:23, 33:9, 34:1, 39:14 68:21 26:13, 27:9, 46:19, 50:8, 60:4, presented 151 -
31:6, 59:24, 60:8 parameters [11- per [21- 22:7, 27:22, 28:22, 66:18, 66:23, 18:20, 33:18,
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4:11 Park [11- 29:9 percent (51- 33:10, 33:13, policy [1] - 18:2 62:5
opinion [1] - park (3) - 30:23, 8:13, 10:2,10:5. 33:15, 35:19, political [1] - preservation 15]
39 :22 69:15, 69:17 18:4 22:2 38:11, 38:20, 36:9 - 34:3, 34:11,
opportunities parking [51- perhaps [21- 38:21, 39:8, poll (1) - 31:20 34:18, 40:3,
[31- 21:22, 28:11, 5:15, 5:19, 5:20, 7:12 7:17 43:16, 44:2, 44:4, popular 11] - 41:12
60:1 5:21, 49:11 period [1] - 45:1 44:23, 45:10, 46:22 Preserve [11-
opportunity [51- parks [1] - 69:20 personally 121- 47:19, 47:20, porous [11- 6:2 21:18
12:22, 16:11, Parks [1] - 31:6 34:11, 41:10 48:5, 48:15, portion [91- 3:2, preserve [4] -
21:11, 29:10, parkway 11] - 49:19, 50:16,
personnel (1] - 23:17, 23:18, 22:21, 34:5,
60:1 57:7 42:20 53:3, 61:10, 24:13, 24:20, 40:23, 40:24
opposed [2] - Parkway [81- pertinent [11- 61:13, 64:18, 26:24, 31:18, preserved [1] -
54:20, 57:22 28:2, 28:3, 29:12, 50:5 65:12, 65:15, 58:3, 71:10 34:7
opposite [1] - 29:19, 29:23, petitioner [21- 65:16, 66:4, 66:7, portions [11- pretty [51- 5:14,
65:20 55:16, 55:17, 3:6, 3:14 67:1, 67:10, 69:3, 26:17 9:21, 16:8, 27:9,
options [1] - 56:9 picture [1] - 70:9, 70:16, 71:7 position [41- 60:5
37:14 part [151 - 4:15, planning [13] -
56:21 10:22, 11:7,12:9, previous [1] -
order [21- 23:13, 15:2, 15:5, 20:4, piece (s1- 3:18, 19 :8, 26 :17, 32:11 16:10
70:4 25:18, 25:22, , 26:24 27:3,
8:10, 12:10, positioned (1] - previously [1] -
27:3, 27:18, 47:7, 27:19, 28:15,
ordinance (z] - 14:21, 15:5 14:22 22:15
34:12, 34:18 47:16, 49:16, pieces [11- 30:1, 30:2, 40:12, possibilities [1] primary (21- 5:6,
I ! 50:14, 56:14, 40:14, 47:7,
original (z] - 69:10 - 55:5 28:9
44:21, 72:12 58:21, 70:2 47:16, 47:23
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originally [5] - participating [11 34:18, 36:8, Planning [81- 9 :12, 43:15, 21:11
55:18, 59:12, - 31:22 63:18, 72:9 15:20, 18:20, 68:11 private [1] - -
59:20, 60:12, particular [41 25:20, 38:17,
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60:15 11:1, 23:1, 33:17, 58:12 47:3, 49:7, 50:3, 32:3, 32:10, problem [21-
ORR (1] - 2:19 54:13 plan [581 - 8:12, 55 :22 42:15 34:20, 66:6
ought [1] - 69:7 particularly [21- 20:5, 20:21, 21:7, Plano 121- posture (1] - problems [21-
ourselves [1] - 26:16, 33:11 22:17, 23:19, 57:18, 58:4 12:21 62:13, 63:2
68:14 parties (1] - 24:3, 25:5, 25:8, Plans [25] - 8:1, postured 111- proceedings 131
outlining (11- 25:17 25:10, 25:16, 9:6, 9:11, 9:15, 14:19 - 3:3, 71:9, 72:5
20:22 parts [21- 4:11, 25:18, 25:23, 20:21, 24:15, potential [2] - PROCEEDING
57:14 25:3, 25:14,
outlook (1] - 26:2, 29:1, 31:11, 37:22, 58:6 S [11- 1:10
13:4
passive (11- 25:24, 27:11,
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44:2, 51:13, past [3] - 61:8, 36:7, 36:16, 44:22, 45:4, 45:8, pOWELL 1 -
45:11, 45:21, [ ] process [10] -
66:24, 68:4, 68:6, 63:8, 68:14 36:18, 36:20, 2:15 15:1, 17:4, 18:7,
68:12 paths [11- 22:12 37:5, 37:11, 46:6, 46:13, Prairie [8] - 28:2, 19:20, 31:11,
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70:5 52:16, 54:20,
overview (11- 37:20, 37:21, 29:19, 29:23, 46:1, 60:6, 62:6
pattern [1] -
31:15 P 37:24, 40:4, 41:5, 54:21 55:16, [s1- 55:16, 55:17, products [1] -
own [21- 52:15, 29:16 41:6, 43:19, 56:9 12:12
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progress [2] - 41:11, 69:21 reader [21- 43:20, 43:24, remove [2] - 62:17
10:14, 14:18 36:21, 38:5 44:1, 44:5, 44:7, 33:24, 60:20 respond [1] -
project [121- Q reading 121 - 46:8, 49:13, removed [i] - 34:24
4:19, 8:6,10:1, 32:20, 64:20 49:24, 51:3, 51:5, 61:3 responsibility
10:10, 10:12, readjust [11- 60:9, 67:21 renderings [i] - [21- 40:9, 72:15
12:15, 13:5,113-8 I qualification [1] 32:18 recommended 15:11 responsible [3] -
15:10, 16:16, - 8 ' 4 ready [41- [31- 26:10, 38:1, reno [i1- 6:17 21:1, 25:17,
45:15, 70:16 qualify 11] - 49:5 11:10, 12:24, 50:6 rental [2] - 4:3, 40:10
projects [5] - quality [21- 13:13, 14:23 recommending 6:19 resubmittal [5] -
14:4, 16:3, 33:12, 23:8, 39:10 real [7] - 11:17, [ - 61:21 repair [i] - 4:11 8:22, 8:23, 8:24,
45:9, 70:13 quarterly [21- 12:10, 13:12, recommends [l1 replanning [1] - 9:9, 9:10
proper [1] - 56:5 45:1, 45:4 14:21, 15:5, - 29:1 15:1 retail [51- 4:5,
properties [i] - questioned [1] - 19:15, 48:24 reconstruction report [2] - 8:4, 28:6, 54:19, 55:3,
40:20 67:11 realistic [i1- [ 22:7 44:24 57:22
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4:21, 7:1, 13:6,
4:8, 7:16, 10:1, realize [11- 33:1 7:14, 59:3 1:10 11:15, 11:19,
14:12 13:9, 15:8, 31:20, really [15] - recoup [i] - 19:5 Report p] - 72:7 13:1
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3:15, 3:22, 8:4, 35:3, 54:3, 54:7, 18:11, 18:18, - 21:21 72:5 62:13
8:15,10:8, 11:8, 55:14, 59:5 45:18, 47:17, red [11- 27:23 Reporter [i] - review [3] - 50:3,
[4) -
12:21, 57:20, qui 48:14, 49:8, redacted p] - 72:4 51:20, 54:10
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proposed [5] - 45:18, 49:1 53:19, 64:12, redevelopment 34:14, 64:17, 18:24
28:2, 28:4, 29:5, quickly [21- 4:2, 67:2, 67:4 131 - 7:22,10:4, 70:19 reviewing [11-
9:12
29:11, 60:24 realm [1] - 36:9 10:7 representative 51:12
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31:10 R 50:7, 50:24, 21:19 reproduced [t] - 3:8
proud [21- 51:21 refer [1] - 37:7 72:15 Richard [i] -
25:19, 25:20 rail [t] - 22:5 reasonably [11- referendum [31- requesting pI - 7:15
provide p] - Railroad [i] - 10:24 32:22, 33:2, 37:6 3 :8 rid p] - 6:1
22:13 22:6 rebuild [i] - 12:9 referred [1] - research [9] - rider [4] - 42:6,
proximity [1] - railroad [3] -
received [1] - 37:6 29:14, 29:17, 42:7, 42:16,
57:11 22:9, 28:20, 8:3 refined [1) - 29:22, 33:21, 42:17
pubic [1] - 52:10 54:22 recent p - 63:8 60:14 42:9, 55:14, risk [i] - 38:6
public [14] - 7:6, railway [1] - recently 121 - regard ]s] - 7:11, 55:24, 57:2, river [3] - 21:22,
18:10, 20:14, 22:8 33:14 8:11, 10:14, 58:23 27:4, 27:9
21:10, 21:23, raise [31- 33:4, receptive [1] - 10:23, 13:7, research/ road [4] - 4:1,
33:8, 37:5
30:23, 30:24, 47:1 56:18 commercial [1] - 8:11, 10:3, 38:7
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71:10 raising [2] - recognize 111- Regarding 11] - 54:6 19:14, 29:2, 29:7,
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pull -in [1] - 5:19 43:3 37:22 33:12 28:13, 30:16, 23:14, 28:10
purple [i] - Rather [1] - 25:8 recollection 11] - reinforces [i] - 30:17, 47:5, 47:7, roadways p] -
28:19 reached [i] - 56:12 23:9 48:2, 48:3, 59:22, 23:13
purpose [3) - 24:12 recommend (3] relates [3] - 8:8, 59:23 Robertson [11-
35:18, 36:4, reaches [1] - - 33:15, 43:5, 11:5, 13:24 residents [2] - 7:16
36:18 30:2 45:20 relevance [i] - 33:3, 70:20 ROBYN [1] - 2:9
push [21- 14:19, reaction [2] - recommendati 40:21 resource [1] - Rochelle p] -
35:8 38:12, 38:17 on [51- 29:3, remember 13] - 22:15 58:13
put [81- 18:2, reactivated [1] - 43:18, 49:17, 40:7, 57:6, 58:9 resources [5] - role pi - 68:22
54:21, 56:15, 12 50:23, 60:6 remembered [1] 21:18, 24:6, room [2] - 10:16,
recommendati - 48:20 24:17, 31:8, 17:22
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69:19, 71:2 14:13, 53:8, ons p5] - 27:8, remodeling [1] - 40:15 Rose [1) - 60:18
putting [3] - 6:2, 65:23, 66:2, 66:3 38:23, 39:8, 4:8 respect 111 - ROSE p] - 2:8
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rosy [1] - 14:11 44:14, 49:1, 50:6, 20:14, 27:23, small [1] - 22:21 53:7 22:6, 54:13,
roughly [i] - 50:7, 50:17, 30:8, 60:12, Smith [1] - 9:14 specific [6] - 54:22
59:16 50:20, 52:5, 60:15 soak [i] - 6:2 37:5, 37:7, 37:23, status [i] -
Route [8] - 3:16, 53:23, 54:8, showroom [i] - society [1] - 38:9, 38:15, 66:3 24:14
3:17, 5:6, 8:11, 58:13, 60:13, 5:8 16:19 specifically [2] - step [19] - 19:6,
8:14, 27:4, 55:15, 61:8, 61:12, shows [2] - solution [2] - 20:23, 64:20 20:24, 21:5,
56:9 61:15, 63:6, 66:4, 30:22, 31:4 36:23, 37:2 specifics [i] - 25:11, 25:15,
row [t] - 13:13 66:22, 66:23, shrinkage [i] - someone ill - 24:2 30:11, 30:19,
rudimentary [1] 68:16, 68:17, 60:14 3:5 spent [3] - 10:7, 35:13, 36:14,
- 41:13 69:2 shrunk [i] - sometime [1] - 46:2, 63:23 36:15, 37:10,
ruffled p] - seeing [i] - 60:13 4:1 spirit [2] - 39:13, 37:17, 37:22,
33:19 64:13 shut [11 - 13:24 sometimes [1] - 39:18 38:1, 38:4
rule [1] - 37:16 seeking [1] - side [4] - 19:9, 38:24 spread [1] - step's [i] -
rural [9] - 26:9, 3:18 19:11, 19:12, somewhat [2] - 28:14 42:18
26:20, 26:22, seem [2] - 27:4 41:22, 43:1 square [4] - step -by -step [4]
47:5, 47:6, 48:2, 63:10, 64:10 sight [1] - 64:1 somewhere [1] - 10:10, 10:12, - 20:24, 25:11,
48:3, 49:1, 49:5 segment [i] - signals [1] - 39:12 19:7, 40:12 25:15, 35:13
47:17 11:10 Somewhere [i] SS [1] - 72:1 Stephanie [6] -
S sense [2) - signed [2] - - 6:12 St [i] - 14:5 19:16, 19:18,
36:12, 48:12 7:23, 72:13 soothsayers [i] stable [1] - 6:19 25:4, 39:14, 40:5,
separate [3] - significant [2] - - 11:21 staff [12] - 5:23, 41:10
Sable [1] - 60:2 45:9, 45:14, 58:3, 60:1 sorry (2) - 9:4, 20:15, 25:19, stepping [i] -
sale [i] - 64:3 47:17 signing [1] - 54:5 31:20, 32:13, 24:8
sales [2] - 3:19, septic [t] - 3:23 14:7 sort [5] - 6:3, 35:5, 36:10, steps [2] -
4:11 sequence [i] - signs [1] - 64:2 19:5, 26:23, 42:24, 43:4, 43:6, 36:11, 45:12
sat [1] - 70:5 24 :3 similar [3] - 39:12, 61:3 53:12, 61:1 still [6] - 13:18,
Saturdays [1] - series [4] - 39:21, 45:14, sorted [1] - 19:4 stakeholders [1] 49:5, 50:7, 59:8,
5:15 23:21, 24:4, 56:4 sorts [2] - 19:22, - 25:16 65:5, 65:13
saw [3] - 5:24, 38:22, 47:22 simple [i] - 20:16 stand [2] - 7:20, stoplight [2] -
6:13, 42:5 serve [1] - 28:12 25:10 sound [1] - 33:6 13:4 8:14,15:3
scary [1] - 63:24 served [1] - 3:23 simplify [1] - source [1] - standard [1] - stopping [i] -
school [4] - service [5] - 4:9, 60:9 57:23 39:9 25:9
31:1, 31:3, 57:16 5:10, 5:11, 5:16, simultaneously south [5] - standpoint p] - store [4] - 12:7,
schools [3] - 62 :9 [i]- 9:5 19:10, 27:3, 28:1, 58:19 12:9,12:17,
57:18, 57:24, sessions [1] - sincerely [1] - 30:3, 69:23 stands [1] - 28:11
58 :4 60:8 53:10 southeast[ ]- 13:19 straight[i]-
science [2] - set [4] - 11:1, single [2] - 47:7 Star [1] - 3:14 29:16
40:22, 41:4 45:12, 58:12, 54:23, 63:14 southeastern, start [3] - 26:7, strategies [i] -
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29:13 42:14 14:10 space [6] - 52:9 street [4] - 12:7,
second [5] - sewer [2] - 3:24, site [7] - 3:16, 21:23, 30:14, starting [4] - 12:14, 22:13,
8:23, 9:10, 20:4, 24:16 4:5, 4:9, 5:1, 5:2, 30:19, 30:23, 16:12, 24:6, 22:21
28:6, 37:4 Sexton [1] - 64:19, 65:6 31:6, 59:24 36:17, 41:17 strict [1] - 65:10
secondly [1] - 64:17 situation [1] - speaking [i] - STATE [i] - 72:1 stricter [3] -
25:3 shall [t] - 65:24 51:22 38:16 State [i] - 9:3 33:10, 38:10,
section [4] - share [i] - 53:19 six [i o] - 14:24, Spears [7] - state [5] - 7:14, 64:22
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23:1 short [i] -25:9 22:11,23:2, 53:20,64:21, 59:3 25:6
sections [3] - shortfall [i] - 32:18, 36:14, 65:10, 65:19, statement [7] - strip [2] - 23:12,
19:19, 20:4, 32:6 51:12, 51:19, 70:14 35:14, 35:15, 63:13
21:16 Shorthand [i] - 52:2 SPEARS [is] - 36:19, 37:23, structure [i] -
sector [1] - 72 :4 Six [t] - 21:14 2:8, 32:1, 37:1, 41:16, 42:12, 5:6
47:18 shorthand [2] - slide [2] - 28:8, 39:20, 40:1, 42:1, 64:21 structures [1] -
see [32] - 7:4, 72 :5, 72:9 31:16 42:4, 42:14, statements [1] - 40:21
9:16, 11:14, show [3] - slides [1] - 23:21 42:19, 42:23, 59:5 studies [1] -
11:20, 25:23, 12:23, 31:3, slow [i] - 16:12 43:8, 51:4, 51:9, stating [1] - 32:12
28:7, 28:24, 33:2, 59:16 slowdown [2] - 51:16, 51:19, 16:11 study [2] - 8:20,
39:2, 44:1, 44:3, shown [5] - 42:23, 43:1 51:24, 52:5, 53:2, station [3] - 9:1
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sub -plan [1] - 46:1 Todd [1] - 41:10 transitions [z] - uses [lo] - 26:8,
22:17 ten [1] - 16:22 together (7] - 30:13, 30:14 U.S [1] - 19:10 27:12, 28:13,
j subjective [1] - tenants [1] - 16:14, 19:24, translate [1] - ultimately [1] - 29:4, 29:10,
41:2 6:17 39:6, 41:11, 39:11 24:9 30:10, 30:18,
submitted [4] - tend [4] - 58:17, 54:21, 66:20, transportation Ultimately [1] - 56:6, 60:3, 60:5
8:1, 8:7, 8:20, 9:5 58:18, 60:21 66:23 [6] - 22:4, 22:12, 6:6 utilize [1] - 22:19
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[1] - 9:4 72:3, 72:22 tomorrow [z] - 57:12, 58:13 33:22, 70:14 V
suburban [4] - TERESA [1] - 69:8, 70:11 Travis (1o] - unanimously [1]
26:14, 27:13, 1:12 tonight [4] - 12:6, 19:18, 20:5, - 33:16
64:24, 65:1 terms [z) - 4:15, 7:9, 7:19, 45:17, 46:19, Under [1] - vacant [1] - 64:2
Suburban [1] - 27:10, 36:3 31:22 49:9, 50:22, 21:18 VALERIE [1] -
27:6 territory [z] - took (3] - 18:13, 55:20, 59:10, under [9] - 2:2
success [1] - 29:24, 63:4 18:19, 52:23 61:11 22:11, 23:7, 26:8, valuable [1] -
44:24 testimony [1] - tool [3] - 25:24, Travis' [1] - 31:18, 38:2, 16:7
successful [z] - 72:17 45:7, 49:8 23:18 44:13, 56:6, variety [1] - 17:7
12:17, 14:7 themselves [1] - tools [1] - 50:9 Treasurer [1] - 72:14, 72:16 vary [1] - 25:13
suffered (1] - 61:9 tooth (1] - 45:22 2:15 Understood (1] - vehicles [1] -
14:14 thereof [z] - top [1o] - 21:14, TO [3] - 7:16, 42:22 5:16
suggest [3]- 14:18, 72:13 21:20, 22:2, 22:4, 10:1, 14:11 unfortunately vernacular[1]-
32:16, 37:20, thinking [z] - 22:10, 23:2, 26:9, Tri -Land [3] - [ - 64:5, 64:7 9:12
63:10 45:19, 49:12 55:9, 56:15 7:16, 10:1, 14:11 UNIDENTIFIED Vision [1] - 22:8
suggesting [1] - third [3] - 8:24, topography [1] - tried (z] - 16:16, [8] - 57:5, 58:24, vision (3] -
35:9 22:16, 38:9 24:17 63:14 62:16, 62:20, 16:22, 47:21,
suggestions [1] thirdly (2] - 29:7, torn [z] - 6:14, trolley [1] - 22:7 66:17, 67:15, 62:14
- 44:13 29:8 46:4 trouble (z] - 68:1, 68:7 void [1] - 67:2
summary [1] - thoroughfares toss [1] - 45:17 61:9, 68:15 unifies [1] - 23:9 volunteer(1] -
15:21 [i] - 57:10 touch [1] - 20:2 true [21- 28:18, unique [1] - 18:15
support [3] - thoughts [1] - touched [1] - 72:8 20:23 vote Ili] - 21:11,
22:3, 22:11, 17:24 40:3 truly [1] - 11:7 uniqueness [1] - 21:15, 21:21,
48:23 threads (1] - town [1o] - try [9] - 11:4, 44:21 22:3, 22:4, 23:2,
supposed [1] - 19:24 14:22, 17:7, 13:22, 26:20, unit [1] - 49:2 67:20, 68:20,
55:23 three [1o] - 6:23, 22:22, 24:14, 35:19, 42:9, 43:5, UNITED [1] - 1:5 70:15, 70:19,
surface [z] - 10:18, 16:8, 22:1, 30:16, 31:4, 58:8, 67:4, 68:10 United [2] - 2:20, 70:20
5:24, 37:16 26:13, 32:3, 39:10, 58:21, trying [5] - 3:7 vote - getter [3] -
surprise [z] - 35:23, 36:13, 63:24, 70:13 32:17, 34:5, 36:5, unprecedented 22:3, 22:4, 23:2
10:15, 10:17 51:14, 63:10 track [1] - 25:1 67:9, 67:17 [1] - 10:18 vote - getters [z]
surrounding [3] three -month [1] Trader [z] - tuned (1] - 40:6 up [25] - 5:14, - 21:15, 21:21
- 28:13, 29:8, - 35:23 12:11, 12:15 turn [3] - 8:16,
10:2, 17:11, voted [2] - 21:9,
r 31:12 throughout [4] - traditional [1] - 35:5 19:16, 23:17, 33:16
surveys (1] - 9:7 22:14, 28:15, 26:14 twice [1] - 18:24 29:7, 39:12, votes [1] 70:11
SUTCLIFF [4] - 32:10, 64:10 Traditional [1] - two [1o] - 4:8, 45:12, 46:3, voting (1] -
2:9, 13:10, 13:18, throwing [1] - 27:15 15:3, 18:10, 20:4, 48:18, 50:5, 61:23
15:7 55:20 traffic [2] - 11:9, 27:21, 32:2, 53:22, 54:1, 55:5,
synergy pi - thrown [1] - 23:14 35:22, 51:23, 55:6, 56:14, W
12:16 69:11 trails [21- 21:22, 55:9, 55:10 56:15, 57:10,
tie [1] - 39:6 22:13 two- and -a -half 57:13, 58:21,
T ties [1] - 44:17 transcribed [1] - Ili- 15:3 63:14, 67:24, wait [1] - 14:24 walk [2] - 9::17, 7,
TIF [1] - 10:3 3:4 two -month (1] - 68:13, 69:21,
69:23 26:3
tight 11 - 6:20 transcript (z] - 35:22 walking [1] -
table (1] - 50:1 timeline [s] - 72:8, 72:13 type [5] - 29:21, update [3] -
tables [1] - 7:19, 25:6, 25:21 63:23
13:12, 13:14, transition [1] - 38:1, 38:24, 43:2, walks [4] - 17:6,
54:16 46:24 updated [1] -
25:12, 35:9, 63:15
tape [1] - 39:24 26:2 19:22, 20:17,
35:11 transitional (e] - types [zl - 21:22
tax [4] - 3:20, 20:17, 26:6 updates [1] -
timelines (1] - 30:9, 30:10, Wally (1] - 6:9
32:22, 33:1, 37:6 26:2
36:13 30:15, 59:20, typically [z] - WALLY (1] -
taxes [6] - 33:41 timing (z] - 59:22, 60:3, 60:5, 11:17, 12:24 upgrade (1] -
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