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Comp Plan Citizen Advisory Committee Minutes 2008 04-17-08 ,CEO ciry United City of Yorkville J=am T County Seat of Kendall County s. 1j8 800 Game Farm Road fn Yorkville, Illinois, 60560 Telephone: 630-553-4350 LE \\? Meeting Summary Comprehensive Plan Citizen Advisory Committee Residential Land Use Meeting Thursday April 17, 2008 Yorkville Public Library 902 Game Farm Road ATTENDEES: Citizen Advisory Committee Members utotici¢ed Members were NOT in attendance) George Gilson,ward 1 Constituency Group;Fred DuSell,Ward Constituency Group;Tom Gilmour,Ward Constituency Group, Art Prochaska,Ward Constituency Group;Mary Unterbmnner,Ward Constituency Group;Peter Newton, Ward 4Constifuency Group;Jim Gatos, Ward 4Constituency Group;Jake Cooper,Agriculture Constituency Group;Brent Ekwinski,Benking/Financial Constituency Group; Richard Scheffralm,Engineering Constituency Group;Nancy Mlson,Healthcare Constituency Group;Rich Guerard,Home Builder Constituency Group;Clayton Marker,Land Developer Constituency Group;Kathy Jones,Manufacturing Constituency Group;Megan Andrews,Natural Resource Constituency Group, Paid Wilkinson,Realtor Constituency Group;Susan Krilzberg,Retail/Business Constituency Group;Bette Schoenholfz,Seniors Constituency Group;Dave Maul e,United City of Yorkville Parks and Recreation;Victoria Covent',Yorkville Park B oard;Deborah Horns, Yorkville Park Board; Yorkville Public Library Board Nominee (vacant);Donald Schwartzkopf,United 0 l of Yorkville Poli cc D epartment Jason Pettit,Kendall County Forest Preserve;Angela Zubko,Kendall County Planning,Building and Zoning;PYan Klaos Kendall County Highway Engineer,Have Dock fader,School Board#115(Education Constituency Group);Ralph Pfister, Yorkville-Bristol Sanitary Dstrlcf, Thomas Math,Fox Metro Sanitary District,'Tom Lindblom,Bri stol Kendall Fire Department, Lynn Duballic, Yorkville Economic Development Corporation;Don Duffy,Yorkville Chamber of Commerce United Citv of Yorkville Plan Commission Members Anne Lucietto,Chair United Citv of Yorkville Eleeted Officals United Citv of Yorkville Stab Travis Miller;Stephanie Boettcher;Charles wonder,Anna Kurtzman,Greg weber,Brendan McLaughlin Guests Matt Schury,Kendall County Record Meeting called to order at 5:30 pm. Anne Lucietto welcomed the group to the sixth meeting of the Citizen Advisory Committee. Travis Miller gave a brief overview of the existing residential land uses,which are: estate neighborhood, suburban neighborhood, transitional neighborhood,urban neighborhood, and traditional residential neighborhood. Rich Guerard, committee member from the Home Builder Constituency Group,went over housing types and marketability of each type from a builder's perspective. Rich also provided handouts on this topic which are attached to the minutes. Members then split among four discussion groups to prepare a draft residential land use map. Those participating in each group were: Group 1: Victoria Coveny, Mary Unterbrunner, Tom Lindblom, Art Prochaska, and Stephanie Boettcher (facilitator) Group 2: Richard Scheffrahn, Kathy Jones, Susan Kritzberg, Don Schwartzkopf, and Anna Kurtzman (facilitator) Group 3: Tom Gilmour, Paula Wilkinson, George Gilson, Fred DuSell, and Travis Miller(facilitator) Group 4: Don Duffy, Megan Andrews, Angela Zubko, and Charles Wunder (facilitator). The maps drafted by each discussion group will be combined into one DRAFT land use map which will be brought for comment at the May 28t , 2008 Citizens Advisory Committee. Group discussions regarding policies, desired uses, and general comments have been recorded in the raw meeting materials. Meeting Adjourned at 7:30 pm. Attachments: 1. April 17, 2008 Raw Meeting Materials 2. Handouts provided by Rich Guerard a. Innovations in Density Planning b. Straight and Narrow c. The Cottages at Woodside Green d. Retooling Land Use NEXT MEETING: 1. Finalization and Recommendation Meeting Wednesday May 28,2008 5:30—7:30 PM Yorkville Public Library 902 Game Farm Road cr,�� United City of Yorkville County Seat of Kendall County R m 800 Game Farm Road m Yorkville, Illinois, 60560 Telephone: 630-553-4350 GE April 17,2008 Residential Discussion(Raw Meeting Materials) Comprehensive Plan CRizen Advisory Committee Group 1 1. Parking: a. Lot size needs to increase in order to accommodate larger driveways and garages. Very few houses are 2 cars per house. b. Larger density areas do not have enough parking need parking space on lot for homeowners and guests 2. Housing Types: a. Need one story homes b. Senior housing/assisted living facilities need to be by commercial area with walking paths/trails to connect the two land uses. 3. Do not duplicate Bristol Bay. It would be disappointing to see this type ofproject approved again in town. a. Density—higher crime and more noise 4. Smaller lots does not mean must increase density. Not everyone wants a larger lot. a. Lots can be smaller, however need to configure house on the lot to allow for more cars especially since some areas people are not allowed to park on the streets. Do narrow lots cause parking issues—or is n just how the housing are configured on that type of lot? 5. W ant open space surrounding(on ALL sides—front,back and side yards)house. Do not want to see into your neighbor's window. TMs is too close! Best homes are when there is no house behind you. 6. Green space behind house. 7. Vary houses on setbacks and side yards(staggered), so aren't looking at neighbor's window. Retooling Land Use Handout—page 2—good example. 8. Be able to provide better landscaping especially on commercial properties. Need to raise our standards for commercial development. 9. Establish a city wide dwelling unit per acre. If a develop wants to go over this set density then the developer must purchase land for permanent open space to set off the development at a higher density. This open land is to remain open. 10. How make a developer NOT develop certain areas? City can't tell developer can't do that(develop land)here. 11. How density is done is more of the issue. Cluster type opposed to 1 acre lots (traditional). Preserving areas with less lot size. Cluster subdivisions still have 1 unit per acre (total for development) even with multi-family not just single family. 12. Traditional subdivisions are not the answer. 13. Willing to go/approve a smaller lot size if don't have any one behind you. 14. Green space along planning boundary borders. 15. Higher density is appropriate around Metra Station and commercial areas. Higher density developments (townhomes)should not be grouped together but spread out around the City. 16. Transitional use—office is better than townhomes and would prefer office; however townhomes do provide foot traffic for commercial. 17. Build an amphitheater at an exit for the Prairie Parkway. 18. Connecting corridors of green space. 19. Encourage estate lots/golf course communities within Special Study Area. Group 2 1. Add a 6"residential land use category a. County Living/Estate—keep natural resources and view sheds. Use contours, floodplains and natural resources to determine appropriate areas for Country Estate. 2. Current Yorkville densities are bad examples as they do not preserve natural country. 3. Hand out on Cottages at Woodside Green in Wisconsin is a good example 4. Ultimately, Land Use Map needs to show floodplain and topography as green open space. 5. Encourage small neighborhood commercial within large residential areas a. Reduces traffic onto roads 6. South East Quadrant(of planning area) a. 3 land uses (potential)—country estate, estate neighborhood, or suburban neighborhood(closer to higher density areas i.e. Joliet). 7. Entries into Yorkville should be a higher standards (i.e. Grand Reserve) a. Need features that are rural (waterwheels) and natural plantings 8. What types of architecture that gives impression of open/rural/rustic? This should be used throughout the City, but especially along City entries. 9. Provide list of ideals/visual references that give character we want. a. Provide detail (i.e. types of fencing—split rail, picket, etc) b. Blackberry Farm good example 10. Water features use natural plantings 11. Increase use of prairie grasses Group 3 1. Low cost housing should be located near commercial areas for shopping 2. Rear alley ways tend to be crime areas a. Also, safety/access issue 3. Limit high density housing(appropriate near Metra Station) 4. Northwest Area(of planning area)discussion a. Transitional Use—could include office uses "Office Transition" b. Eldamain Corridor—industrial uses appropriate 5. Southeast Area(of planning area) a. Make Estate Neighborhood 6. South 47 Corridor a. Reduce transitional use area at Caton Farm and Route 47 7. Southwest Area(of planning area) a. Estate Neighborhood with Suburban Neighborhood where topography allows. Group 4 1. Shift zoning densities from low density 2. Plan needs to accommodate mixed density developments (master planned communities). t bsbdesign.com Innovations in Density Planning INCREASED LAND AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS COMBINED WITH REDUCED SALES MEANS LAND PLANNERS ARE PLAYING A MORE CRUCIAL ROLE THAN EVER. By innovating with forms and land plans to satisfy the growing need for attainable, higher density single family products, planners are helping builders and developers find a successful niche amidst the down market. Volume Density Solutions Redefined Previously reserved for workforce housing,attainable options In Once plagued with negative connotation,the idea of higher higher density neighborhoods are now reaching a much broader density single family development is gaining popularity among prospective market,capturing the attention of move-down buyers, frustrated buyers in over-priced markets,among city officials,and empty-nesters,young professionals—and most importantly,renters. among housing industry professionals.The resulting attention to Currently stuck in the rental cycle in many markets around the and refinement of typical high density land plans has led to a new country,renters are eager for solutions that provide high quality home definition of value through density.Architectural style and inventive ownership.So forget the presumption that"affordability equals low use of zoning and code restrictions are persuading key players in quality':When land planners create innovative solutions and architects the decislon-making process and bringing high density single family develop livable plans,high density single family projects are some of planning to the forefront across the country. the best-looking,cohesive and functional neighborhoods around. kA JA a Q y T J fir sf For ltowrywd ` �CONCEPTP�AN� - -_ When planning cluster developments,consider adding emphasis to paseos by incorporating meandering walking paths and pockets of lush landscaping.The result is a livable outdoor amenity and,when paired with a creative parking solution and detailed elevations,a cohesive community with an inviting streetscape. FIRE DRAFT ■ Straight and N QNow can I maintain the integrity of my new-home elevations an wn�Fam kN amyl m still include an attached garage? DUE TO RISING LAND COSTS,MANY PRODUCTION HOME BUILDERS ARE BEING FORCED TO DEVELOP HOUSES ON ■ smaller lots than they have been accustomed to.Usually,this takes the form of narrow widths,which is the sim- ■ plestwaytoachieveahigherdensityThiscreatesquiteatestforthearchitect.Oncethewidthofthehousedrops below about 48 feet,it is no longer possible to present the"normal"two-car garage,entry foyer,and living and dining ar- eas to the street elevation.Architectural massing schemes and details,which serve to de-emphasize the garage on awider GUEST A&O1i1T%°T' house,can lead to discord on a narrowplan and actually make ahouse look narrower.So,the challenge is to integrate the STEIN CENTa X HO MES garage(especially a two-car model)into the massing of the house while visually widening the elevation. (seepage 64) RALEIGH,N.C. 9x9-789-4881 Allow for pediments at Include twin windows. the second-floor _ -_ They appear wider. windows. Instead of a two-story - covered entry,try breaking it into -— - "" covered entry with a ta+� On tall,narrow second-floor balcony. - elements,use -- - material change with a band to emphasize the horizontal line. `7 m Trim the balcony floor to make it look like it's 12 to 16 inches thick. 28-FOOT-WIDE ELEVATION:A simple gable roof,with the ridge line parallel to the front wall, tends to widen the appearance of the house. WWW.BUILDEPIONLINE.COM MAY 2002 wuLDER a 63 F=RSTDRAFT There should be no more Make sure the roof pitch is than one break in the main _ not too steep, roof Inc. I Incorporate the elements Six-inch-wide frieze and over the garage in the comer boards make the trim roof massing. - look more substantial. v 1. Create a shed roof over the A porch with well-detailed garage.It won't dominate the and well-proportioned faEade like a gable would. n columns adds interest. I Glass panels in a pleasing - -� 1L II --�r-� � Use aglass entry door if door nt and help --�tr-. y _ �_,L- there is not enough width design element and help to --IL.A _ �r ,� for sidelights, integrate the door into the architecture. - --- - - 36-FOOT-WIDE ELEVATION:Don't try to cram too many pieces onto the elevation; instead,opt for a few well-executed elements. Ahip roof is good if it permits an adequate horizontal ridge line. A wide trim band emphasizes I Z the horizontal lines. 'r Scale down the massing at - "—' the entry. Use single garage doors _ if possible. The front columns should be I- I— L. 10 to 12 Inches wide. Emend the brick or stone as r`-]�rLIE - a"waistband"to strengthen -�L--VL1L ❑ the visual hose, .Vi, ..'1 GiJ;In the plan,it's best to keep some living spaces and second-floor bedrooms as far forward(relative to the garage)as possible.Within 6 feet of the front of the garage is best. HAVE A DESIGN QUESTION? SEND QUERIES AND CLEARLY READABLE PLANS(ON 8,5%II PAPER)TO:CAROLYN WEBER,FIRST DRAFT,ONE THOMAS CIRCLE,N.W.,SUITE 600,WASHINGTON,D.C.20005 64 Ls7QA9LDIER MAY 2002 WWW.BUILDERONLINE.COM Retooling land use Each niche market has specific community preferences • Continuous open spacez� - - Control entrance Buffer from existing 14 10 11 61 2E] tfpr: - III neighborhood :.j r t .r 15 Z�ff Pedestrian �i n ; design .1� R A. 22 "ing e' lly L s off c : 1 / Retooling land use Each niche market has IV A*Wr F- . AM Y h .e f. NR` • • �� �• �3. preferences Cultural Creatives • Foreground open spaces Eb • Reduce impervious surface * Creative storm water management 14-1 TU 0 AFV-=I 22 SingTeiay L = s q Retooling land use Each niche market has R AW specific community — +i, - - - - ----- preferences '- - - - - - New Era Families — ,. "`"' • Easy access to open 7 . space EMT • Foreground park � i • Pedestrian friendly ► design f • Conservation 6 �TITFI� techniques _ p® � • Creative storm water e ` °=""� - ` qap management • Entrance identity _ • Potential future nections . G: ighborhood r' "Vfthering place ` ! BSB - -•� rj -_� _ Master plan retooling • Challenge —Older master plans lock in density targets that don't make financial sense anymore — Land value often based on the lot counts from original entitlements Question : What happens when there is no market for the density allowed in project? J nC- Rn EEO Master plan retooling = past • Density calculations �� - � ► - based on loose AL f 1 •. assumptions zA • Long buildouts ` F 40 increase potential for market disconnect : • Based on planners thoughts about product &OP BSBtl F Master plan retooling - today • Smaller parcels, lower unit count It w • Mixed pro -forma • Density product { Yr4>pv1111 '•-IlSmin 1 targeted & real 0 0 More flexibility Io � i .Alice's Road&Hey 6 Site IF-P n b+PP ProPenic� BSB — -- -mss n M Master plan retooling - today • Village concept development • 95 acres Creek side • 511 units °'moo,'!� Cou ads ,� a a 0®°waq-e• c-ace•.s�e• m e6—al • 13 product lines ti' �•� t�� CrVew t meadow ° t ° e° a °•a's ° i/—��, • 300k sf of retail V. - ° • a 1 3�- ® ' - Hilltop- o o office ® Crescent Terrace <. o 9 ,tea ,. Terrace PrairieR rm.�ewa oae Prairie Circle • 2 acre lake Vii°° = 4° • m PralrieVillas a ! Stillwater _ ° Lofts = Beacon Vilage °� Row '• Lofts Beacon (� Row ; w _ a-r • -t" Crescent K a -aT View Ponderosa Co LADCO Development a a e l I Market , West Des Moines l I t s BSB aaas Developing neighborhood " Create town center — TND community with blend of uses "What / have a problem with is when a Getting more positive attention developer takes lan• and puts up houses from municipalities • doesn't develop a neighborhood schools, parks and other amenities" t City commissioner - approval Sim D� e ° .� a°sue y t ° ?°° pa[• °a a f4 �A, 1 a• ° e e> e 9 ei �@, ee.ey.� i ° ° o ♦ e ��z ev p� ^, p e p o p -ee a �e � ♦ � . a.�e • -' ♦ <i+a+ f. , ,} ° '° °• -eo as o p <e •.. a �, s. • J f � ,°i +.jai (.. l es°p o • ,'.'�` _ � • + �° <a a:e.•�• eye } ♦ a 'nom ~ , • __ - - �. a ,. ° r } e n e p t `pna o�°e o noGa'�.°°a o° ° c cv..r ,-"+� 4 ;✓ - THE COTTAGES AT WOODSIDE GREEN NEENAH, WISCONSIN INDIGO DRIVE N i COTTA *E OURT Ws r i i 2 cc o � LEGEND MEADOW PLANTING aONBU WATER FEATURES B10-FILTERFEATURES WETLANDS CREATED WETLANDS C � WOODED �I A DEVELOPMENT BY r CASALOMA DEVELOPMENT CORP n O C e1� c Y�. Martenson & Eisele, Inc. �yl'l Planning-Surveying-Engineering-AtchitectXre i - Front Page article in the Post Crescent Dated October 19, 2006 NEENAH — A $20 million environ- mentally friendly housing development touted as the fast of its kind in Wiscon. sin will be built on land north of County JJ nlld cast of Dell Court. The Common Council on Wednesday Neenah annexed 35 acres from the Town of Neenah to fa- cilitate the de- $20M project in Neenah velopment. Developers plan environmentally City plan- friendly development haf-mile ner Chris from the current city limits. Haee said the Town [ 1 x grows props erty lies Neenah h within the city's designat- ed growth � area, but it is more than A' ' h� i one-half mile . from the near- Wit est Neenah exo-Crescent gmhlc by Jim 9osendlck boundary, making it a whatd0youtillnk? city island in Click re this story atnd ad green the town. postcrescent.com and add L e o n your comments in the"Story Church, pram- Chat"feature at the bottom. dent of Casalo- ma Development Corp.of Appleton,plans to develop the property as a "green com- munity"of 102 detached condominiums. Environmentally friendly The development,which has not been housing development named, will be built without storm sew- ers. All stormwater will be treated on-site would rl h > +;n + through a series of biofilters, rain gar- woul� �,e f1�St in state j dens and infiltration beds. Church has applied for the state De- By Duke Behnke partment of Natural Resources' Green Post-Crescent staff writer Tier program that encourages companies to practice environmental management NIEENAH:First Green Tier development in Wisconsin From A-1 GI0@uTICC for use as landscaping mulch, tection. He said it would be the first and gypsum drywall will be It also will require city water Green Tier is a program for environ- ground for use as a liming and sanitary sewer service. Be- Green Tier development in the mentally responsible businesses agent on farm fields. cause the development is sur- Midwest. in Wisconsin.Qualified businesses The condominiums will be rounded by the town, wastewa- This is the first one we and associations make legal built to Wisconsin Energy Star ter will flow into the town's know about,' he said. "This is commitments to superior environ- standards and will feature dou- sanitary pipes and then back the first one, in tight clay soils, mental performance through agree- ble-wall construction, heat into the city's pipes to reach to infiltrate water back-into the ments or contracts negotiated with pumps and rankles solar the treatment plant. ground:' the department of Natural water heaters. Town and city islands are Mark R's Cooperative director businesses a exchange, givenincentiv "This will be as close to a permissible under a 2003 of the mental Cooperative Bu- businesses are given incentives to sustainable development as boundary agreement between vironmental Asst,"stance Bu- achieve superior environmental p reau, which administers the performance. possible,"Church said. the city and town. Green Tier program, said source:State Department of Natural Resources Neenah officials praised the Church said the installation Church's development would development for its environ- of utilities would begin in De- exceed environmental stan- ment would be a model for mental sensitivity. cember. He plans to have dards. others in the state:He hopes to "This is a new concept to model condominiums ready 'T don't know of any others prove environmentally friendly Wisconsin,"Haese said. for viewing in May. Prices will in Wisconsin that,have been construction can be profitable. The development will have range from $150,000 to engineered to this degree," he All construction waste from private streets and private $300,000. said. the development will be recy- garbage collection but will re- puke Behnke can be reamed at 920-729-. Ctlurch said the develop- cled. Lumber will be ground quire city police and fire pro- 6622,en.32,or at dbehnke@postcrescenteom. Casaloma Development Corp., Leon A. Church, Broker 4089 Crane Dr., Appleton, WI 54913 920-739-6116 ** 920-739-1084 (fax)