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Meeting Summary
Comprehensive Plan Citizen Advisory Committee
Residential Land Use Meeting
Thursday April 17, 2008
Yorkville Public Library
902 Game Farm Road
ATTENDEES:
Citizen Advisory Committee Members utotici¢ed Members were NOT in attendance)
George Gilson,ward 1 Constituency Group;Fred DuSell,Ward Constituency Group;Tom Gilmour,Ward Constituency Group, Art
Prochaska,Ward Constituency Group;Mary Unterbmnner,Ward Constituency Group;Peter Newton, Ward 4Constifuency Group;Jim
Gatos, Ward 4Constituency Group;Jake Cooper,Agriculture Constituency Group;Brent Ekwinski,Benking/Financial Constituency Group;
Richard Scheffralm,Engineering Constituency Group;Nancy Mlson,Healthcare Constituency Group;Rich Guerard,Home Builder
Constituency Group;Clayton Marker,Land Developer Constituency Group;Kathy Jones,Manufacturing Constituency Group;Megan
Andrews,Natural Resource Constituency Group, Paid Wilkinson,Realtor Constituency Group;Susan Krilzberg,Retail/Business
Constituency Group;Bette Schoenholfz,Seniors Constituency Group;Dave Maul e,United City of Yorkville Parks and Recreation;Victoria
Covent',Yorkville Park B oard;Deborah Horns, Yorkville Park Board; Yorkville Public Library Board Nominee (vacant);Donald
Schwartzkopf,United 0 l of Yorkville Poli cc D epartment Jason Pettit,Kendall County Forest Preserve;Angela Zubko,Kendall County
Planning,Building and Zoning;PYan Klaos Kendall County Highway Engineer,Have Dock fader,School Board#115(Education
Constituency Group);Ralph Pfister, Yorkville-Bristol Sanitary Dstrlcf, Thomas Math,Fox Metro Sanitary District,'Tom Lindblom,Bri stol
Kendall Fire Department, Lynn Duballic, Yorkville Economic Development Corporation;Don Duffy,Yorkville Chamber of Commerce
United Citv of Yorkville Plan Commission Members
Anne Lucietto,Chair
United Citv of Yorkville Eleeted Officals
United Citv of Yorkville Stab
Travis Miller;Stephanie Boettcher;Charles wonder,Anna Kurtzman,Greg weber,Brendan McLaughlin
Guests
Matt Schury,Kendall County Record
Meeting called to order at 5:30 pm.
Anne Lucietto welcomed the group to the sixth meeting of the Citizen Advisory Committee.
Travis Miller gave a brief overview of the existing residential land uses,which are: estate neighborhood,
suburban neighborhood, transitional neighborhood,urban neighborhood, and traditional residential
neighborhood.
Rich Guerard, committee member from the Home Builder Constituency Group,went over housing types
and marketability of each type from a builder's perspective. Rich also provided handouts on this topic
which are attached to the minutes.
Members then split among four discussion groups to prepare a draft residential land use map. Those
participating in each group were:
Group 1: Victoria Coveny, Mary Unterbrunner, Tom Lindblom, Art Prochaska, and Stephanie Boettcher
(facilitator) Group 2: Richard Scheffrahn, Kathy Jones, Susan Kritzberg, Don Schwartzkopf, and Anna
Kurtzman (facilitator) Group 3: Tom Gilmour, Paula Wilkinson, George Gilson, Fred DuSell, and Travis
Miller(facilitator) Group 4: Don Duffy, Megan Andrews, Angela Zubko, and Charles Wunder
(facilitator).
The maps drafted by each discussion group will be combined into one DRAFT land use map which will
be brought for comment at the May 28t , 2008 Citizens Advisory Committee. Group discussions
regarding policies, desired uses, and general comments have been recorded in the raw meeting materials.
Meeting Adjourned at 7:30 pm.
Attachments:
1. April 17, 2008 Raw Meeting Materials
2. Handouts provided by Rich Guerard
a. Innovations in Density Planning
b. Straight and Narrow
c. The Cottages at Woodside Green
d. Retooling Land Use
NEXT MEETING:
1. Finalization and Recommendation Meeting
Wednesday May 28,2008
5:30—7:30 PM
Yorkville Public Library
902 Game Farm Road
cr,�� United City of Yorkville
County Seat of Kendall County
R m 800 Game Farm Road
m Yorkville, Illinois, 60560
Telephone: 630-553-4350
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April 17,2008
Residential Discussion(Raw Meeting Materials)
Comprehensive Plan CRizen Advisory Committee
Group 1
1. Parking:
a. Lot size needs to increase in order to accommodate larger driveways and garages.
Very few houses are 2 cars per house.
b. Larger density areas do not have enough parking need parking space on lot for
homeowners and guests
2. Housing Types:
a. Need one story homes
b. Senior housing/assisted living facilities need to be by commercial area with
walking paths/trails to connect the two land uses.
3. Do not duplicate Bristol Bay. It would be disappointing to see this type ofproject
approved again in town.
a. Density—higher crime and more noise
4. Smaller lots does not mean must increase density. Not everyone wants a larger lot.
a. Lots can be smaller, however need to configure house on the lot to allow for
more cars especially since some areas people are not allowed to park on the
streets. Do narrow lots cause parking issues—or is n just how the housing are
configured on that type of lot?
5. W ant open space surrounding(on ALL sides—front,back and side yards)house. Do not
want to see into your neighbor's window. TMs is too close! Best homes are when there
is no house behind you.
6. Green space behind house.
7. Vary houses on setbacks and side yards(staggered), so aren't looking at neighbor's
window. Retooling Land Use Handout—page 2—good example.
8. Be able to provide better landscaping especially on commercial properties. Need to raise
our standards for commercial development.
9. Establish a city wide dwelling unit per acre. If a develop wants to go over this set
density then the developer must purchase land for permanent open space to set off the
development at a higher density. This open land is to remain open.
10. How make a developer NOT develop certain areas? City can't tell developer can't do
that(develop land)here.
11. How density is done is more of the issue. Cluster type opposed to 1 acre lots
(traditional). Preserving areas with less lot size. Cluster subdivisions still have 1 unit per
acre (total for development) even with multi-family not just single family.
12. Traditional subdivisions are not the answer.
13. Willing to go/approve a smaller lot size if don't have any one behind you.
14. Green space along planning boundary borders.
15. Higher density is appropriate around Metra Station and commercial areas. Higher
density developments (townhomes)should not be grouped together but spread out around
the City.
16. Transitional use—office is better than townhomes and would prefer office; however
townhomes do provide foot traffic for commercial.
17. Build an amphitheater at an exit for the Prairie Parkway.
18. Connecting corridors of green space.
19. Encourage estate lots/golf course communities within Special Study Area.
Group 2
1. Add a 6"residential land use category
a. County Living/Estate—keep natural resources and view sheds. Use contours,
floodplains and natural resources to determine appropriate areas for Country
Estate.
2. Current Yorkville densities are bad examples as they do not preserve natural country.
3. Hand out on Cottages at Woodside Green in Wisconsin is a good example
4. Ultimately, Land Use Map needs to show floodplain and topography as green open space.
5. Encourage small neighborhood commercial within large residential areas
a. Reduces traffic onto roads
6. South East Quadrant(of planning area)
a. 3 land uses (potential)—country estate, estate neighborhood, or suburban
neighborhood(closer to higher density areas i.e. Joliet).
7. Entries into Yorkville should be a higher standards (i.e. Grand Reserve)
a. Need features that are rural (waterwheels) and natural plantings
8. What types of architecture that gives impression of open/rural/rustic? This should be
used throughout the City, but especially along City entries.
9. Provide list of ideals/visual references that give character we want.
a. Provide detail (i.e. types of fencing—split rail, picket, etc)
b. Blackberry Farm good example
10. Water features use natural plantings
11. Increase use of prairie grasses
Group 3
1. Low cost housing should be located near commercial areas for shopping
2. Rear alley ways tend to be crime areas
a. Also, safety/access issue
3. Limit high density housing(appropriate near Metra Station)
4. Northwest Area(of planning area)discussion
a. Transitional Use—could include office uses "Office Transition"
b. Eldamain Corridor—industrial uses appropriate
5. Southeast Area(of planning area)
a. Make Estate Neighborhood
6. South 47 Corridor
a. Reduce transitional use area at Caton Farm and Route 47
7. Southwest Area(of planning area)
a. Estate Neighborhood with Suburban Neighborhood where topography allows.
Group 4
1. Shift zoning densities from low density
2. Plan needs to accommodate mixed density developments (master planned communities).
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Dated October 19, 2006
NEENAH — A $20 million environ-
mentally friendly housing development
touted as the fast of its kind in Wiscon.
sin will be built on land north of County
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The Common Council on Wednesday Neenah
annexed 35 acres from the Town of
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the town. postcrescent.com and add
L e o n your comments in the"Story Church, pram- Chat"feature at the bottom.
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ma Development Corp.of Appleton,plans
to develop the property as a "green com-
munity"of 102 detached condominiums. Environmentally friendly
The development,which has not been housing development
named, will be built without storm sew-
ers. All stormwater will be treated on-site would rl h > +;n +
through a series of biofilters, rain gar- woul� �,e f1�St in state
j dens and infiltration beds.
Church has applied for the state De- By Duke Behnke
partment of Natural Resources' Green Post-Crescent staff writer
Tier program that encourages companies
to practice environmental management
NIEENAH:First Green Tier development in Wisconsin
From A-1 GI0@uTICC for use as landscaping mulch, tection.
He said it would be the first and gypsum drywall will be It also will require city water
Green Tier is a program for environ- ground for use as a liming and sanitary sewer service. Be-
Green Tier development in the mentally responsible businesses agent on farm fields. cause the development is sur-
Midwest. in Wisconsin.Qualified businesses The condominiums will be rounded by the town, wastewa-
This is the first one we and associations make legal built to Wisconsin Energy Star ter will flow into the town's
know about,' he said. "This is commitments to superior environ- standards and will feature dou- sanitary pipes and then back
the first one, in tight clay soils, mental performance through agree- ble-wall construction, heat into the city's pipes to reach
to infiltrate water back-into the ments or contracts negotiated with pumps and rankles solar the treatment plant.
ground:' the department of Natural water heaters. Town and city islands are
Mark R's Cooperative director businesses a exchange,
givenincentiv "This will be as close to a permissible under a 2003
of the mental Cooperative Bu- businesses are given incentives to sustainable development as boundary agreement between
vironmental Asst,"stance Bu- achieve superior environmental p
reau, which administers the performance. possible,"Church said. the city and town.
Green Tier program, said source:State Department of Natural Resources Neenah officials praised the Church said the installation
Church's development would development for its environ- of utilities would begin in De-
exceed environmental stan- ment would be a model for mental sensitivity. cember. He plans to have
dards. others in the state:He hopes to "This is a new concept to model condominiums ready
'T don't know of any others prove environmentally friendly Wisconsin,"Haese said. for viewing in May. Prices will
in Wisconsin that,have been construction can be profitable. The development will have range from $150,000 to
engineered to this degree," he All construction waste from private streets and private $300,000.
said. the development will be recy- garbage collection but will re- puke Behnke can be reamed at 920-729-.
Ctlurch said the develop- cled. Lumber will be ground quire city police and fire pro- 6622,en.32,or at dbehnke@postcrescenteom.
Casaloma Development Corp., Leon A. Church, Broker
4089 Crane Dr., Appleton, WI 54913
920-739-6116 ** 920-739-1084 (fax)