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Kendall Co. Plan Consortium Minutes 2008 07-24-08 Planning Commission Consortium APPROVED Big Rock Community Park Building July 24, 2008 Attendees: Anne Lucietto, Chair Yorkville Plan Comm. Charles Wunder, Yorkville Planner Richard Scheffrahn, Facade Committee Annette Williams, Yorkville Stephanie Boettcher, Sr. Planner Scott Gengler, Yorkville Angela Zubko, Kendall Co. Planning Dept. Sherry Underhill, Village of Newark Sandy Adams , Yorkville Plan. Comm. Betty Langeland, Village of Plattville Sandy Bell, Village of Big Rock Kay Hatcher, Reg. Plan. Commission Paul Sestax, Big Rock Plan Commission Bill Lavine, Regional Plan. Comm. Jeff Wehrli, Newark Plan. Comm. Jerry Friel, Plattville Scott Gryder, Oswego Charles Wunder, Yorkville Bonnie Warchol, Big Rock Paul Corgan, AHA Builder Ray Warchol, Big Rock Budd Wormley, Millbrook Judy Heim, Millbrook Dean Hummell, Big Rock June McCord, Plattville Gary Petersen, Big Rock Michael Crouch, Yorkville Art Zwemke, Robert Arthur Land Co. Kurt Kojzarek, AHA Builders Delene Drew, Newark Julie Lord, Beacon News Kathy Farren, Kendall Co. Record The meeting was called to order at 7:05 pm by Anne Lucietto, Yorkville Plan Commission Chairman. She welcomed all in attendance. Ms. Lucietto introduced the guest panel speakers for the evening: 1)from Yorkville, Dr. Thomas Engler, District#115 Superintendent; 2)from Plano, Dr. Laurel Walker, District 88 Superintendent; and 3)Mr. Jim Hammack, District 429 Superintendent of the Big Rock-Hinckley district. I have attached two articles written by reporters from the Beacon News and the Kendall County Record, summing up the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 8:25 P.M. Minutes submitted by Annette Williams. 1 Lack of state reform leaves schools 'begging fin- money' :: Beacon News :: News Page I of 2 Saarch Site STNG BECOYJA it HOmu Pn , FfE14Lack of state reform leaves schools'begging for money' July 27.2000 By Julie Lord Special to The Beacon News Thomas Engler third 1 mince words when asked how Illinois schools are funded 'Very poorly"said Engler superintendent of the Yorkville School District The Illinois state aid formula is archaic'Engler added it should have been changed 25 years ago' Engler was one of three superintendents invited to discuss issues in school funding at a forum Thursday sponsored by the Kendall County Plan Consortium at the Community Park Building in Big Rock Other members of the panel were Laurel Walker.Plano superintendent;and Jim Hammack superintendent of the Hinckley-Big Rack district Engler explained that population growth such as the growth in Yorkville and Plano does not pay for itself According to Engler for every dollar a defint gains in property lazes it loses a dollar in slate funding The panel emphasized that Illinois relies very heavily on property taxes for school funding Because of this there is a great disparity between districts in property poor and property-rich areas Hammack who said his district is relatively stagnant in growth agreed with the need for change at the stale level The funding mechanism is broken'Hammack said "Kids should be educated no matter where they live" Engler stressed that while the people in his district have been very generous taxpayers in other areas are not always quick to vole for referendums He described the process as"begging for money'• He claimed the process is not the same for cities and counties,which are in better control of their funds.Engler compared the two saying a county will not have trouble building a jail.but school districts have to sell themselves to gel any funding for their buildings As the discussion turned to finding a way to ease pressure on the taxpayers,one audience member asked about the Idea of abating property taxes for seniors who do not have any children In the school district Members of the panel were in agreement that lessening taxes for these citizens would ultimately do a disservice to the community They explained that what draws residents to a town is the quality of the schools and that taking care of the schools is taking care of the community "As a senior citizen myself"Engler added, I say no you pay what everybody else pays" As far as what can be done to change the funding system,the panel said there is a bill waiting for supporters but that lines been waiting for some lime;no politician is willing to propose a lax hike according to Engler All we can do is the best we can with what you give us'Engler said referring to slate aid His final comment of the night echoed his first, "Quit making things up dawn there(in Springfield)that we have to do unless you're willing to pay for it" State senate to adopt cop on stover property taxes FernNYI%c 1¢5 C�fTi N-ev ec:'Is poLliL'll"`L " In Pinellas,another supvrinlcndent candidole 1,1111 Issue^.' Fmm IDs GmJebcok gory morris wrote: Thomas Engleryou say'As a senior myself'you pay what everbody else 1Ttt„•//www -,uLurbanchicap,onews.com/beacotmewsfhzews/1076117,2_1_AU27_DEVL•LO... 7/28/2008 Lack of state reform leaves schools 'begOng for money' :: Beacon News :: News Page 2 of 2 pays I see you are still employed I"m a senior not working on a fixed income and the high taxes we pay force some to give up things they need just to stay in there home So I see how your panel feels"throw the seniors under the bus'is the answer you folks will there one day then shoe will be on your own foal Recommend Report Abuse __ if-___...,.,......f., .,, fiMA � 1 ATM DFVFT.n.._ 7/28/2008 lv RECORD Thursday, July 31, 2008 diestrild offildeals stress need for funding help Representatives from local agencies-meet with public, developers By Kathy Farrerl " enrollment they will have [o handle at Engler noted that his district has a between districts was more equitable, the end of the next school year, not just representative on the City of Yorkville that problem would go away, he said. The more residential development an the enrollment when school starts in °PlanComtnissiomand a goad working His district is also going to have to area experiences, the more local school August "Even when kids come in the relationship with the city's planning deal with the dissolution of the special districts need the help.of their cities and. second semester, we start incurring department. "If you don't' do that, as a education cooperative it has been part counties. costs in the first semester,"she said. superintendent, mayor or village of. "We will have to find someone with That view was expressed by three The delay in getting tax revenue from president, you_- are- shortchanging the to be.a special education those students' homes is "greater than people." director. It's almost impossible," area school-superintendents during a P July 24 Kendall County area planning most folks think about,"Walker said. Engler said the district has benefited .Hammack said. meeting on school funding While some municipalities set their by working with the City of Yorkville Yorkville School Superintendent Dr. fees on 3 sliding scale,depending on the Parks Department which plans park Thomas Engler explained that when [he type of housing. and number of sites next to school sites- allowing some P bedrooms, Engler said he prefers a flat shared use of adjacent property. -hange fllIiC�lllg equalized assessed.value (EAV) of all fee. He also pointed out that he Engler noted that if school districts property in a school district increases, estimates that, regardless of the type of want more tax revenue, their only state aid to the district is reduced. �1ff8PCIlt problems option is to ask district voters to "Growth never Y a s for itself under home, his district sees just about one P Hinckley-Big Rock Superintendent approve a referendum. Hammack this formula. The taxpayer pays the new students per. also have unit. Jim Hammack said his district faces a pointed out Illinois is the number two brunt,"he said. Developers also have to pay a "land- P cash" fee, also set by cities, donating different set of problems brought on by rated state in the country for reliance on Engler noted that school districts are declining enrollment. property tax. funded almost entire( b state aid and land or cash ro the school district, based � P P� Y Y Y Zwemke said his firm was going to The superintendents called on state a err faxes, "mostly property taxes." on the size of their subdivision. property Y Y P P Y - add 1$00 students to Hammack's lawmakers to pass bills to change Basic state aid covers less than I2 Yorkville School District worked district, but changed plans because of school funding. percent of Yorkville's budget,he said. with the developers of Grande Reserve P � the economy. Now the district has Engler said there is a bill that's In areas of rapid growth, school Subdivision and "got$9 million for the dropped 140 kids over the past five waiting for support in the General districts are often educating students school," Engler said. Transition fees years and,Zwemke said, "The reality is, Assembly. However, few lawmakers living in new homes several months were paid upfront, rather than as each home permit was issued, and the you'll be consolidating."are willing to vote to increase other before collecting any real estate tax on Hammack said he worries about taxes to make up for a reduction in real the home. To help chool districts in developers donated land for the school. P losing "our very best teachers" who can estate faxes. this situation, most area municipalities ' �Piano's newest.school, Emily John - - P School, was also aid for b the drive a short distance [o another distract "I support moving away from now assess a transition fee to each new advance payment of transition fees and and earn much higher pay. If funding property taxes," Walker said. home built.The fee is paid to the school P Y districts, which have no authority to land cash fees by developers, "largely assess such a fee. without cost to taxpayers,"Walker said. Dr. Laurel Walker, Plano School The per acre land cash fee now being District superintendent, said the City of assessed is $101,000 in Yorkville and Plano just revised their transition fee $96,000 in Plano. ordinance setting the per house fee at Developer Art Zwemke of the Robert $6,000. -Arthur Land Company was present and Walker said that last year her district he said he thinks the fees have gotten a little out of hand. "You need to look at added 30 teaching positions as they opened a new school. They also had to them in the light of the market." With add support staff, such as custodians, land prices dropping, said there will textbooks and they doubled the school be pressure to lower theess e fees. bus fleet. Cities are doing more to help school School districts prepare their budgets districts than providing fees. Walker in the summer for the fiscal year which said the City of Plano participates in the begins July 1.That means, Walker said, districts Growth Committee, helping that they have to anticipate what make projections about growth. ® , ® ® se